Rural Hospitals and the F-35
From radio vermont it's the dave graham show on w._d. It's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most to you now. Here's your host dave graham good morning. Vermont did is thursday august eighth. Two thousand nineteen and we are so glad to have you listening listening to our program this morning. We're gonna have an interesting show. I think i'm going to hand it off to a guest host <hes> the first half hour of the program this morning our our good friend. Jack lyons the summer internet w._d. E._v. He's been doing a really excellent job here and we decided just to hand him the controls for the next half hour or so he's going to be <hes>. I'll i'll let him introduces guest and <hes> we'll have a good conversation. <hes> there and then later on i'll be coming back in taking over the mike in and i'll be interviewing colonel david smith of the vermont national guard <hes> he's going to be i think talking with us to try to allay some of the concerns we heard about last week <hes> interview you about the f thirty five coming to the vermont national guard base at the burlington international airport and <hes> he <hes> the guard it has wanted a chance to reply some of the criticisms raised about noise about <hes> the possibility that some of these planes may be <hes> armed with nuclear weapons et cetera and <hes> so we'll be hearing from colonel smith in part of this hour <hes> later on believe. We're going to be opening the phones and letting some listeners weigh in on whatever topics are on your mind out there folks course. You're always welcome to call the program. <hes> so nice is easier to take the calls and others because we just have an open phone line etcetera two four four one seven seven seven is the local number here in waterbury one eight seven seven to nine one eight a two five five and with that. I'm gonna hand it off to my good friend. Jack lyons a student at notre dame university. He's from south burlington and he is doing an excellent the job force here as a summer intern w._d. Take it away jack. Well thanks dave our first guest. Today is jeff tieman. He's the president and ceo of the vermont association of hospitals and health systems there in advocacy advocacy group dedicated to representing the state's nonprofit hospitals and we're going to talk to him today about the future of rural hospitals in vermont jeff are you there. I am all right good morning. Good morning. Thanks for having me on so i guess no problem so i i guess our first question would be <hes> can rural hospitals in vermont survive over the for over the coming decades and what some of the changes that take place be to enable able that so i think i it's a great question and it really important one for our state and important jack. I think to acknowledge right off the top. That vermont is really entirely rural. <hes> we think of rural areas and less rural areas or urban areas like burlington but it's really hard in a small state like ours to even separate that out even the teaching hospital in burlington serves rural populations and is actively involved in coordinating care for people in rural areas throughout the state so and all or other hospitals are doing that as well so i think it's important to understand that that we really are <hes> a rural state and <hes> that rural hospitals and all of dr hospitals across the state are vital in their communities <hes> not just as caregivers but also as a big employers often the largest employer in community and as community builders in the work. They're doing <hes> in what we call community benefit and health reform to try to reduce the cost of care and make it better for the patient all of that said real hospitals face big challenges as you probably know <hes> not just here in vermont but across the country we've seen rural royal hospital closures <hes> throughout the country in the past several years <hes> and there's a lot of reasons that happens but certainly cause for concern and the reason reason that we have our our i carefully on this. You know there's even a a task force that was created by the legislature to look into the future of real healthcare in vermont where represented on that task force as are all of the other major stakeholders in our state so this is a conversation that's well underway sure and you mentioned that all hospitals in vermont are auroral hospitals just because our state is in very populated but <hes> what is what is the difference in the challenges that are seen at a small hospital like copley hospital in mooresville bill and the challenges that are seen at medical center in burlington yeah so another good question and when we looked into when we did some research into what can can happen with small rural hospitals understand <hes> particularly in other parts of the country 'cause we haven't had as many closures here in vermont or new england thankfully but in trying to understand dan what can what can precipitate financial problems or or even something as severe as closure. There's a lot of factors that are unique to two smaller. Rural hospitals goes up rating in smaller communities for example <hes> they tend to have <hes> a lot more people on medicare and medicaid and we know that those public payers there's <hes> for hospitals just do not reimbursed at the same level and so hospitals literally receive less income to take care of those patients and that becomes a part of the financial mantra problem. These hospitals are often <hes> typically operating on razor thin margins. That's certainly true here in vermont either either razor thin margins or or as we have right now many with negative margins they face declining volume as population shifts to the city and and in vermont. We have <hes> <hes> an aging population. I think we're second or third in the nation <hes> as far as <hes> the the age of our population <hes> and then i think we're all hospitals are also managing aging the challenges <hes> that are not necessarily unique to rural areas but but can be even more difficult to manage in those places like opioid addiction and and reaching reaching out beyond the hospital walls to to make sure people are healthy. You spoke about razor thin margins at hospitals and i think that <hes> segues well into the conversation about rate rate hikes. <hes> a lot of the hospitals are feeling some pressure from the green mountain care board not to increase their rates a lot but at the same time they're dealing with those razor thin margins you just talk about <hes> how that how that <hes> bargaining works between the green mountain care board in hospitals sure i think i i would point out as you as you did at the top of the show so that we are a nonprofit system so i think we just need to always remember that when we talk about margins those are not profit margins but those are the margins funds that enabled the hospital to do things like reinvest facilities and equipment make sure they're always providing the most modern cutting edge care <hes> and that and that they are also also as i said <hes> available to the community that said i think i think jack that are hospitals are proposing budgets to the green mountain care board for twenty twenty the they are proposing the budgets they need to continue meeting patient need and and to continue serving their communities in an effective way while also making sure they are financially healthy and sustainable for the long term so that they can always be there for those communities so the the process with the green mountain care board is for those hospitals for all of our hospitals to to present their proposed budget for next year and to have a dialogue with green mountain care board about why the rates they've asked ask for are necessary to do what i just said to make sure they continue to serve patients effectively be there for their communities and know that there's a sustainable plan for the future sure so. I think you're going to hear that dialogue. Take place with the green mountain care board and and hopefully our hospitals will be able to convey kind of the full set of of challenges changes that they face <hes> from the reimbursement issues. I mentioned with medicare and medicaid <hes> to significant workforce challenges across our state <hes> that make <hes> healthcare both a little more expensive and and challenging to deliver because we don't always have the right people in the right places and can't fill so many open in slots <hes> and also at the same time well hospitals are managing those challenges. They're trying very hard to to stay focused on health reform here you're in vermont which is really to make healthcare better for the patient by focusing on wellness instead of illness and trying to move from a system that now pays for the number of procedures and office visits and and and all of that to assist him that really pays for quality outcomes and and wellness and so i think in trying to do all of those things at once <hes> and keep rates low is is the constant challenge and i think our hospitals have struck the best possible balance they can and you'll not that play out during the budget hearing later this month how much as we're looking forward to these these budget hearings. How much of a dialogue is that. I mean is is there a certain number that <hes> you know the green mountain care board is is not going to allow or is there a certain number that the hospital's not going to go the low. You know what how does that dialogue walk work well. The the agreement and care boy does set in their what they call budget guidance <hes> set a rate for the growth of net patient revenue <hes> and and the hospitals then propose what they think they need for their for their coming budget and those differences or if there is a difference between what the green mountain care board expect and and what <hes> what the hospital <hes> is proposing than than that does become a discussion as part of the hearing so that the hospital hospital has an opportunity to explain the factors that are involved <hes> and to try to persuade the green mountain care boy that the budget they're proposing the one that's really needed <hes> <hes> to to ensure the future of their organization and <hes> and and be able to serve patients the way they want to and what is when we're talking about rate increases. What is a significant rate increase well. I think you know i would probably rather than try to get into numbers. I think we should all acknowledge. That healthcare is expensive. <hes> there's there's no two ways about that and whether we're talking about insurance premiums or <hes> <hes> rate increases that that hospitals <hes> are looking at or we're talking about the cost of pharmaceuticals and supplies all of the stakeholders in our system have a role to play <hes> in in trying to make the system or affordable and i think vermont <hes> yes we are encountering rate increases. <hes> <hes> that you know premiums are expensive for people and that is a challenge. We're all trying to manage together. I think in vermont we're doing that in a way that's <hes> <hes> incredibly compelling and may not produce all the results we want tomorrow but is definitely the direction that the country <hes> that both parties believe we need to move in to to really again focus on keeping people well <hes> addressing the social determinants of health like housing and food security and other things that keep people healthy in the first place and then doing a better job jack on also managing chronic conditions once people are sick. There's a lot of technology and <hes> new patient physician outreach. That's made possible by the work. We're doing here. <hes> to keep people healthier theory prevent emergency room visits all of those things eventually reduced costs while also just making life better for the patients we serve so <hes> you spoken about a wellness as opposed to treating wellness as opposed to illness and more sustainable long-term care provided by hospitals. I <hes> <hes> spoke yesterday with senator richard westman <hes> we try to get him off of the segment. Unfortunately he had a prior commitment but i got some good background information from him. He's a message board member at copley hospital and mooresville and he's also <hes> as a senator on the health and welfare committee and <hes> he spoke about some the things copley hospital has done recently to <hes> to to promote what you're saying that uh a stable long-term wellness care <hes> he talked about community health initiatives serves and also they've <hes> they've now started doing orthopedic surgery. They invested you know in the short term some money on on getting the infrastructure to do orthopedic surgery and they're hoping that by by offering that they can they can <hes> you know bring more patients in the door and help them do that and and stay open. What other initiatives have you seen throughout the state <hes> like that that are focusing on sustainable long term care and how essential are these two to keeping serving rural hospitals open so i think you're seeing a lot of initiatives from one like the one like those you just described to <hes> across our are hospitals. You're seeing a huge focus on expense management and always doing everything possible to to minimize expenses to join purchasing coalitions nations that can bring down the cost of supplies equipment. You're seeing all of that work. <hes> take place and then i think in another important space jack you're seeing really good work happening in the workforce area so for example at brattleboro memorial hospital they're partnering with local <hes> nursing schools to at look really help students pay for their education <hes> and get both classroom and hospital experience. It's sort of what we say kind of grow your own because we have a real shortage of nurses and other healthcare professionals <hes> throughout the state of vermont <hes> not not unique to us but certainly a problem that that we're managing and that are hospitals encounter honor every day and so i think <hes> partnerships with schools and trying to literally educate vermont irs <hes> in our own hospitals <hes> and and being creative with with partnerships with other hospitals and and community organizations. That's all part of both the reform work. We're doing and i think what what needs to happen. Make sure we sustain our rural hospitals. I was doing some research on this issue and it looks like <hes> i was looking at hospital. Budgets <hes> changing year by year and springfield hospitals budget from two thousand seventeen to twenty nineteen jumped nine percent but the budget from two thousand eighteen to twenty nineteen. I'm sorry that earlier <hes> budget was from two thousand seventeen to twenty eighteen that jumped nine percent the budget from two thousand eighteen to twenty nine hundred only jumped about three point six percent <hes> which was lower than the average vermont hospital for that year twenty eight to two thousand nineteen so i guess my question is can a rural hospitals survive a a couple of bad years if it is overall keeping up with expenses yes. I think a rural hospital can continue to to be there for its patients and its community. Despite <hes> financial challenges i think springfield is a unique example because the financial challenges and obstacles have been pretty severe they are currently working through a bankruptcy proceeding <hes> to try to emerge with a plan to ensure that they can continue to be there four patients and the community <hes> but i think we know that in the case of springfield <hes> the hospital will probably already does in fact look a little different for example. We know that it's hard choice. They had to make was to no longer provide labor and delivery services there because it literally was not financially feasible to continue. Doing i think so and i think what i'm really proud of. Jack is that <hes> in order to ensure ongoing access for women <hes> in that area brattleboro memorial hospital worked with springfield to make sure that <hes> perry nato care is still provided and that <hes> even though labor and delivery will take place at brattleboro attleboro which is a little ways away people will still be able to get their routine care in the community of springfield so i think you know there are those challenges are are the same ones i talked about for all rural hospitals and we're still trying to understand everything that happened at springfield but <hes> they are building a path forward and we'll see how that continues continues to evolve and develop sure and you talked about <hes> a little bit about plans to restructure for for hospitals <hes> it looks like mountain scotney in this other part of the state near pretty close to springfield joined a network with dartmouth hitchcock. Am i correct in that. That's right. Do you think that's an option for rural hospitals who are looking to deal with some of their financial struggles. Absolutely affiliating with a larger system is an option for for smaller unaffiliated hospital hospital to consider <hes> those are important community based conversations that need to take place hospital by hospital and community by community to to decide what's in the best interest of both the hospital and the community and <hes> i think sometimes affiliations of various sizes and and shapes we'll be appropriate and we'll be selected as the best option moving forward and other times not but it certainly is <hes> an option. Some of our hospitals like porter medical. Nicole center is part of the university of vermont health network as central vermont medical center and like you mentioned mountain scotney <hes> as part of dartmouth so so so those partnerships are there and definitely one of the options available to rural hospitals <hes> that that want to consider that and move through a process to do so. We're going to head to the phones right now and bring in ruth from sheldon ruth good morning good morning. <hes> i wanna talk about the north west medical center and saint saint alban's <hes> they've always done an excellent job of of their budget and they have a large percentage of their patients are medicaid and medicare and <hes> i think they're they're now in financial trouble and i think it's probably because people can't pay their high deductibles people. They want to raise the insurance rates and people already tomorrow pay for their insurance health insurance and then pay for their deductibles. I want to know if you know if this is a huge problem for all the rural hospitals in not people are not paying gene their high deductibles and how much this is part of the problem. Thanks <hes> that's a that's a great question and the answer is yes all of our hospitals rural and otherwise are experiencing more <hes> unpaid bills as a result of high deductibles and copays and you know this is a this is a product of the coverage side of the equation really where we need to make sure that we always have policies in place to to make affordability possible when it comes to health insurance policies the affordable care act made great strides here in vermont and we have always had <hes> very generous and and thoughtful coverage policies at the same time <hes> they are expensive and these policies that are affordable or more affordable from premium standpoint could involve high deductibles. That's something that also needs to be worked on <hes> again in concert with all of the stakeholders because it's a piece that does need to be addressed in part of the affordability equation absolutely all right thank you. I have another question here. What is the role that private fundraising will will play in the future of rural hospitals in vermont yeah so you know all of our hospitals. I think get donations to to some degree some of them <hes> work on that <hes> in different ways depending on their size and scope open and kind of the foundations they may or may not have set up i. I don't think i see that significantly changing in the future. Jack and i don't have numbers in front of me that could speak to <hes> <hes> sort of how that works for each hospital. I could get you more on that. If you're interested thinking <hes> i guess <hes> you know. One of the one of the questions that <hes> would come up is is <hes> you know. A lot of people have been talking about. Their insurance rates going up. <hes> you know i think ruth ruth and sheldon just <hes> just brought that up. <hes> what is what is it like on <hes> for a hospital to <hes> to negotiate <hes> care costs with with insurance companies. He's <hes> when people can't pay for their healthcare. <hes> hospitals <hes> negotiate with insurance earns companies to to determine the rate that they get paid <hes> by those insurance companies to deliver various services when people don't pay it's really kind of a or or when they don't or can't pay <hes> then they would fall into what we call the hospitals charity care policy <hes> and those policies <hes> provide various various levels of assistance to ensure that people with lower incomes <hes> get some level of protection and those policies are posted on the hospital website okay and this this year. We've been talking a lot about rate increases. Is this something that you think will continue in future years i do. I think it helps like i said healthcare's expensive but i also think it's important to remember that we are doing the right work here. In vermont <hes> with what we call the model our health reform program and it's the one that i really do believe by focusing on wellness and keeping people healthy doc will really change. The cotton equated overtime all right. Thank you jeff team in the president and c._e._o. Of vermont association of hospitals and health systems for joining us for our discussion about rural hospitals in vermont stay with us on the dave. I wish i had a dollar for every compliment. I get about our selection upstairs at the warren store. The season's collection boasts country casual clothing for men women dresses for summer weddings and events baby clothing from suit chano and doodle pants and fair trade jewelry from around the world. I'm excited about a a new line of pottery from londonderry vermont also illuminated paper stars for outdoor fun. 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I'm blanking on the first rower. <hes> come in talk to and talking to us about concerns that have been voiced by critics of a plan to bring thirty five fighter jets to the <hes> vermont air national guard base at the brompton international airport and <hes> at the time i i did try to line up a <hes> someone from the guard to come in and sort of act as a counter and gives both sides of the story that day <hes> couldn't schedule that right off but <hes> <hes> decided that while the thing to do is to get somebody from the guard on on the show <hes> in subsequent days in here. We are on a subsequent day. Hey thursday august the eighth two thousand nineteen and with me this morning's colonel david smith a thirty one year veteran of the vermont vermont national guard and we're gonna be talking with colonel smith about <hes> i i think maybe efforts to allay concerns about <hes> the arrival of the f thirty five's which actually be in a next month so let's let's first start out with just the the outline of the plan year colonel smith thanks. Thanks so much for joining me yeah. Thanks dave <hes>. It's it's a pleasure to be here. I really look forward to updating you in the community on where we are with respect to the f thirty five and so <hes> the the the the planes they made a brief cameo appearance a month or so ago but but <hes> they real officials schedules starts in september right. That's correct yeah. We <hes> we we're. We're just over a month out now. We don't have the exact date solidified but we anticipate mid-september sometime. The i two thirty five atlanta burlington and they'll be arriving what to buy two over subsequent months or a few at a time or yeah basically over essentially the next year to buy two so okay roughly. Two airplanes <unk> plans a month so a little less than a year from now. We'll have the full complement of f <hes> f thirty five on base and how many will be. That's twenty total. It's an it's an eighteen aircraft. The squadron with twenty total airplanes okay so the two are like sub observed just with just with normal maintenance procedures. The two are just to flow into the normal normal <hes> training schedule and plan maintenance and things like that and these replace the f._16.'s which has been a feature of the local life up in the burlington area for a long time now they do you know the f. sixteens. We flew proudly for thirty three years. <hes> i remember when i was a u._v._m. Is when we got the airplanes and they've been part of the of our base certainly in our mission that community for the last three decades and just back in april we <hes> the last four f._16.'s departed so we have no right now i saw in your in your in your bio that <hes> lieutenant clark chelsea clark the public relations person for vermont national guard kindly shared with me that you actually earn have been an f sixteen pilot pilot <hes> you must have had little pangs of nostalgia. Whatever in the last of the f. sixteens flew off in april right i did do you know when you think about <hes> events. We've had <hes> celebrations. That was being my career. Probably the <hes> the best one i was ever at we had our community. There are retirees were there are members were there their families and we really celebrated celebrate what it took to you know safely and professionally maintain and fly that <hes> really outstanding airplane for thirty three years and we all gathered on the flight line to watch the last four airplanes leave there were tears in the crowd loudness daljit an is a really proud of what we do proud of <hes> of i'm proud of the whole aw all our airmen and families in the community. It's taken a real community effort to do this and this flying mission certainly with the f sixteen for more than thirty years yeah that i mean that's a that that is a long a long t tour for for those that particular plane and so <hes> and and you know as i say they have been they have been the thing <hes> <hes> this sort of leading <hes> feature i guess in some ways of the vermont air national guard's activities up there and so <hes> and and now you've you have this summer where you're basically <hes> in this interregnum period between the f. sixteens and the and the f thirty five <hes> what's going on up there. This summer we are is our things a little too quiet. Yeah you know it's it's interesting you know having a flying mission you know you get into the daily operations so that it's really busy <hes> <hes> and so not having airplane since april. It's definitely different. You know our airmen liked to be working in in on airplanes flying airplanes and other parts of the base that support commission so really what our focus has been. I mean it's been for the last ten nearly ten years but this specifically the summer is in the final touches on the base <hes> <hes> from a facility perspective to be ready for the f thirty five's to land and and also a training perspective to make sure that our airman <hes> individually already <hes> for one on that day happens we already have nearly fifty airmen that are already qualified on on the to work on the f thirty five. We have pilots that are already flying. The f thirty five different locations nations the and now it's a matter of <hes> those folks are the majority those folks are back home and it's getting the wing ready in preparations for the the first two airplanes to land because really once they land. We really kick into gear that to train up the rest of the base to be ready for this new mission. There will be different. Maintenance aspects obviously sleep. These planes are significantly different in some of their aspects right yeah they are. You know you know at its foundation. It's a it's a it's an airplane <hes> and there's a pilot in it and and and there's maintenance professionals that maintain and support teams to maintain it but there are differences there's some new career fields with the f thirty five <hes> some of the legacy or the f sixteen <hes> career fields of gone away and been replaced so and just the way the overall. It's still you know parts and supply and maintenance actions but the way the the program is managed is logistically is slightly different. It's a <hes> so that's new but you know to me at the end of the day it's <hes> wrenches and it's <hes> you know turning and launching and recovering recovering airplanes and and fixing them and and maintaining a fleet health which were really really good at and have the airman been an air women. I don't the term of art but <hes> we ehrman yeah. Okay our our folks are folks going elsewhere for training or the training coming to the base in in burlington. What's what's the that's a great question. It's a little both we had the foresight a few years ago to send almost fifty airman out back on active duty so they actually left the guard then went back on active duty and we're at roughly half a dozen f thirty five bases around the country to get qualified on work on the f thirty five for over three years and those airmen airman are back so we have folks that have left the base to train. We also have some hands on training. That's happening with folks celebration that have gone to school and then gone to an f thirty five base to get hands on training training and then the big movement for the wing is essentially immediately after the airplanes land here in september about two hundred of our airmen will be <hes> go through what's called a <hes> field training training team and that's where we have thirty five qualified instructors will come onto the base and for ninety days right through the end of the calendar year we'll train the base on the specifics of f thirty five actions across multiple multiple career fields and then beyond that we keep our folks and get them on what's called seasoning days to really top off the final training so it's a combination of a ah both on base and off-base training to four four one seven seven seven is our local number here in waterbury listeners out there would like to call with any any questions for colonel david with smith of the vermont national guard and the toll free number is one eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five. This is your chance. If you have questions or comments you would like to colonel to here and <hes> just don't be shy out. There folks now. <hes> i wanna. I wanna ask you colonel. Obviously there have been some concerns as we mentioned <hes> <hes> voiced about the rival of the f thirty five's in burlington one of them has to do with noise and <hes> they do have a bigger voice imprint than the f. sixteens right. Is that right well. If you know a document that's really worth reading in its r- very extensive is the environmental impact statement and if you look at that it'll say that the f thirty five is generally generally a louder airplane so there's a lot of information that that i encourage people to read <hes> and you know one of the things that i would say is when i've been around fighter aviation for over thirty years now certainly with the f sixteen a long time and then to spend my deployments. I've been on every single fighter aircraft and i'll tell you what i from a noise perspective. You know we had four f thirty five's diverted into burlington back at the end of may and i stood at <hes> you know where the airplanes were running alongside the runway. When they took off for my experience experience. It was a fighter airplane taken out of burlington and i think it's important that <hes> you know that our community educates himself on the environmental impact statement and then and then really determines for themselves. You know what the impact is. I understand. We're fully aware that you know flying fighter airplanes out of burlington has an impact on the community and we continue to look at are flying operations nations to <hes>. How can we best mitigate. Our impact is as community members. I mean we're right there with everybody else. So it's important really important to us that <hes> we work with the community we work closely closely with airport team there to really minimize and mitigate our noise impact community so nothing on that day when you heard them taken off made you say holy cow. That's that's a different for an animal made me really excited. Actually landed there was a lot of energy on the base and i have heard the f. thirty five before but he always wanted here on the base and we weren't planning on that event to happen <hes> and <hes> so yeah i was. I was curious to see okay. They're gonna take off out of burlington with a power setting that we're going to use <hes> were flying it and <hes> i was pleasantly surprised. I was surprised i was i was <hes> that experience i thought was very reflective of of an f. sixteen <hes> taking off that we've had for so many years let's go to a caller a jennifer from south burlington on good morning jennifer i live about a mile and a half from the airport and outside of the so-called noise impact zone and i heard it loud and clear in my neighborhood the day that it took costs and <hes> based on research we know that it is four times larger than the f sixteen there was even an article in popular mechanics that came out this week about the noise impacts and <hes> other research shows us that the f thirty five is eight times the crash risk and that's coming in <hes> over a highly populated area <hes> also originally the air force <hes> didn't want to base it here because they knew it would put civilians at risk so my question is wise vermont air national guard supporting a project that put civilians at risk when there are their role is to protect tapped off. We know that our homes aren't yet retrofitted. So i'm glad that the arts people will be getting the training and preparation they need but the civilian population near the airport and in the entire region <hes> is not yet prepared for this so how can it be that this is the proper timing timing for such a project and it's most certainly not the right location for it. I will let me let me let me reason a lot of issues here. I wanna i wanna i wanna get into one and by one year at least some of them in one of the things i think you said was that there's a there's a crash rates. That's eight times higher with the f thirty. Five then with the f sixteen is at the claim that that's based on research. It's because of the khun currency issues with the way the plane was developed and i really hope that you're doing the same research and looking at the <hes>. We're we're is that what what is the research. I mean what have you been the project on government oversight and other <hes> other other <hes> <hes> organizations have looked into the fact that <hes> because this plane was patched together during a period where there was so much technological innovation. There's all types of systems on the plane and it's not fully tested so it's beginning to be based here before it's entirely tested galt. Let me bring in colonel smith and ask you colonel <hes>. What about this this. This <hes> worried that these planes are <hes> have eight times a crash risk what we've seen before yeah. No i mean i know here's what i know for sure. The the f thirty five's been flying for over ten years. <hes> there's been over four hundred airplanes delivered <hes> and have flown over two hundred thousand hours and i'm not sure where the data what this source is for the eight times <hes> crash chris but that's certainly not what i've seen when i look at the current <hes> and i'm talking air force because it's an air force because the models of airplanes matters so there's three variants of the f thirty five the models what's coming vermont when i look at the accident rate take on that it's very similar to the accident rate of the <hes> <hes> <unk> separate of the f sixteen over its lifetime so i certainly haven't seen or aware of any data <hes> that supports that there's an eight-time crash i just <hes>. I don't believe that destroy. I'm not sure where that data comes from with respect to noise. I'll say just what i said before we we're going to continue to work to minimize their impact was respect to the base new says the decision was made back in twenty thirteen through a very thorough and delivered environmental mental impact statement and secretary force basing decisions so that that decision was made after a lot of scoping meetings in public forums to do you know how many bases around the country our <hes> housing the the thirty five right now i do the f thirty five flying in nineteen basis globally globally countries that are involved in the in the program and <hes> it's a real global program and like i said there's over four hundred airplanes and <hes> over eight hundred pilots and eight thousand maintenance professionals that have been trained in anything. Thank you know when you look at when the thirty five and i've received questions as the f thirty five is the fighter aircraft to replace the fifteen the f sixteen the a ten <hes> f eighteen and number of fourth generation we call older fighter so when you look out twenty years <hes> the you know the air force is buying over seventeen hundred f f thirty five's and they're going to be at air force bases and guardian is in the gardell make up about half of the operational squadrons in the air force so they're going to be at communities all around the country are are they being <hes> <hes> based in mainly populated areas are in less <hes> less populated areas a lot. I think that's a challenge frankly from even even the remote air force bases that i was at as a young officer or now more populated and certainly when you look at the air national guard who's a full partner <hes> and with concurrent fielding as the air force i mean guard <hes> basis are are built primarily on joint use airfields there at international airports it you know large cities look across the country. You know <hes> houston texas <hes> <hes> jacksonville florida madison wisconsin. Who's the preferred alternative for the next round of your basic so <hes> f thirty five will be populated dairies. They already are there at at valparaiso egland florida in phoenix arizona. That's a huge metropolitan area and there's over one hundred airplanes there so it's going to be part of the air forces <hes> fighter <hes> inventory for decades and is there a <hes>. What is the what is the mishap record like with the f thirty five's i've scene. I guess i'd say mixed reports why you know when you look at the <hes> beat a mishap data is based on different things it's real it's based on value so when you say crashes ashes. It's the way the air force tracks mishaps is not specifically crashes. There's <hes> it could be <hes> engine damage to <hes> you know a bird going down engine and it's it's based on a value so what the airforce it's all based on per one hundred thousand flying hours and like i said earlier it's very similar to the sixteen is and then the environmental-impact will tell you that that historically <hes> to the caller's point that that maximum rates are higher early on in <hes> <hes> it with new airplanes but when you look at the f thirty five that's not what i've seen in on what the data shows and it's got a very similar right now to the history of sixteen and also add he when you look at <hes> our unit <hes> you you know for our period flying the f sixteen for three years our safety rate was four times better than the f sixteen saved across the air force over the same period and that's that's to boast a little bit but it's also a real tribute to the the skill and the professionalism far airmen we have a lot of experience in the guard from our pilot cadre and our airmen and it makes it really we really big difference and we saw that with sixteen and i'm really confident we'll see that with you have thirty five thirty five is a really capable very safe airplane in its show not in his first ten years of late. I <hes> we we are down in the last few minutes here. I wanna make sure we get one quick question answered which we haven't gotten to yet and then we'll talk to nils from duxbury colonel. David smith is my guest. He's with vermont air national guard up in <hes> the the burlington international airport. That's where the the base is and we're talking about. The arrival beginning next month the f thirty five fighter jets jets <hes> which are according to some reports capable of being armed with nuclear weapons and kernel that is a concern to some vermont who have been <hes> you know i fairly late in the review process here really have tried to raise that as an issue <hes>. What should they be thinking yeah. No i understand the concerns but wh what we've said publicly in meteorology sneezes r f thirty five do not have a nuclear mission so <hes> we've said that right and that is the way we don't so when you look at <hes> the vermont national guard the f thirty five so we're getting do not have a nuclear mission. We don't have the hardware for that so and we don't have plans dance to make them no way so that's you know that's the answer. That question is not a worry. That is what you're saying. I mean everybody's concerned about that. Should just not be is that is that. Is that the answer yes okay. Let's go to nils in duxbury knows good morning. Thanks for taking the call. I appreciate the previous caller in the points. You made <hes> <hes>. I guess the point workers sandbagging so i'm gonna give you both another example. Here's ago <hes> <hes> btv switched from <hes> the f. r. i. Afar both ends of that runway and all the sudden out of the blue eyed loud yet traffic over my place. <hes> really loud like wake up in the middle of the night loud. That's right so i it's called spoke to guard folks and they said well you know we we follow <hes> we follow f. a. guidelines lines and what to do with the people in the tower. Tell us neal's. I need to cut you off because he had a quick response from <hes> colonel smith baloney because the f._a._a. Said the same thing. I know the cartels. Unfortunately we are about out of time here for this segment of the day graham show <hes>. We made it a longer one. Hey colonel smith david smith of the air national guard. Thanks so much for joining me this morning. I really appreciate you coming down. Yeah it's my pleasure really proud of the men and women where we are excited fight for what's happening. Gotta go to some c._b._s. News at the top of the hour here on the day graham show w._d. F._m. and a._m. Stay with us for the second. 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We are back for the second hour program on this august the eighth two thousand nineteen thursday morning and wanna take another minute here with colonel david smith vermont air national guard because we got a question from hills in duxbury right at the top of the hour there and we had to the go-to news and it didn't really have a chance for the colonel to to address the concerns voiced by the caller and colonel glad you stay with us another another minute or two and and just <hes> he was he seemed to be concerned that their that because of changes in instrumentation at the airport there is a flight path that goes right over his house in duxbury and he's not much what's going on here yeah and i think there's a little cutout just with the that transition there but i think i got the gist of the question you know i flew the f sixteen for twenty five years in in burlington and sola instrument approach changes and i think <hes> what nails is if i got the pronunciation right is hearing is <hes> you know in inclement lament weather <hes> and at night if the active runway is landing to the north runway three three the instrument approach procedure and it's it's published. It's not by our choice. It's what the procedure is. Brings us almost right over camel's hump when you're on the approach of it's good weather. You look off your right. Weighing in camel. Trump is right there so you're twenty he twenty five miles almost thirty miles south coming in on a really long straight in approach. I'm assuming that the caller is home is probably on that approach and that's also approach that civilian airplanes fly as well so i'm a i'm pretty sure that's what he's hearing and that's really driven by you know are using new approaches driven by weather and darkness. Frankly <hes> for safety think. Mills may be back with us <hes>. Are you else thank you. I wanted to clarify what i was trying to say. <hes> th that description is completely -pletely accurate commercial as well as private in military stuff <hes> flies up right up above point i was trying to make is <hes> when i got in touch with the light kernels at the at the garden and talk to them. They would say well two things they would say. We fly is quietly as we can and the f._a._a. Tells us what to do the guys in the tower b._t._v. or giving us our approach back and that's what we follow <hes> when and i got in touch with the f._a._a. They said oh no guard tells us what they wanna do and we we produce <hes> <hes> the the paperwork and what have you <hes> <hes> to to let them come and go as they say so my my take from that is i wasn't getting a straight answer from the garden. I wasn't getting a straight answer from the f._a._a. And that's why i come up with the term sandbagging there's probably less polite terms for it but at that moment and this goes back sixteen or seventeen years. I've got in touch with our congressional delegation. They were completely absolutely no help at all <hes> and despite the fact that i probably voted for them all uh-huh and i realized that even top management at g. tang wasn't being honest <hes> their claim that they're claiming last just last sentence promise their claim that they attempt to be good neighbours in my view is is <hes> not backed up by their activity and and the way they carry on that's all i have to say thanks for okay. Thank you go well as colonel yeah. No we are actually being honest and what i would say to your to your question. I think think there was one in there. Was it really depends so sometimes we ask the air traffic control specifically how we wanna fly into the airport but in your situation if inclement weather or night radar vector two very specific points on that instrument approach procedure for safety that <hes> were vectored onto in the air traffic control control does it so it's really a combination we do fly the airplane as quietly and to mitigate our impact as best we can <hes> to the community and then <hes> and we fly sometimes we were able to ask for specific procedures sometimes air traffic control dictates so it's a combination but there's dishonesty in responses or on on that i'm going to have to change our <hes> our topic here. We've got <hes> bob ney from talk media news on the line. I do wanna get the bob. Thank you very much for coming in. I really appreciate it colonel. David smith of the <hes> vermont air national guard and he has been our guest for the last half hour so the dave ramsey show. Let's change over now to our good friend above me from as emission from me news good morning bob good morning how are you. I'm doing pretty well over <hes> we've been having a little conversation about <hes> both military and civilian air traffic traffic into our <hes> burlington international airport up here in vermont so if you were really curious what you're talking about. That's that's what's that's the subject anyway. I wanted to change over here ear to your presentation. Which in you all as i mentioned you send me very kindly sent me. An email shows up early in the morning. Tell me a little bit about what we're talking about. It looks like a couple of the democratic candidates candidates. Are maybe raising us. <hes> started out with the white nationalist to now. We're going straight to the white supremacist from this is <hes> charges against president trump for beta o'rourke end is senator elizabeth warren <hes> and anybody else piling on by now well. No i mean joe. Biden has sent some things about the you know. President is stirring things up and about raising things but the two hardest hitting <hes> from what i've seen so far of the twenty is definitely those worn born and beta award and of course beethoven orca to some percent elizabeth warren so you know higher in the polling i only mention that because sometimes when the one percent or two percent as we're calling them people say something <hes> that that's sort of like okay they're saying something just to get up there but but <hes> elizabeth warren obviously has a lot of <hes> of of points and stature within the democratic constituency so yeah they come out pretty hard hitting of course the president you know being the president will punch back. I haven't seen that much back at elizabeth warren warm but i did with beta prime make fun of his name. The nickname dato which is a a you know a spanish. I think latino <hes> name for short for roberto as i am it's actually robert and they're all any and and i think he <hes> he gets a little bit of credit that goes beyond the one or two percent and wherever he's at the polls <hes> because he is actually from el paso so this is we're talking from yeah so and and then you tell us why it matters several twenty twenty candidates have denounced trump for racism but the communists warned iraq mark the strongest condemnation yet of trump job in his divisive rhetoric and anti immigration policies <hes>. I guess they're sort of the leading edge of this thing right now. Then is is that right or they are of this course by like set binding <hes> you know his office has some things and and every democratic candidate is going to be naturally ask the president is he leaves. Nothing unanswered. He didn't go back at every single thing even when some times he should let things go you know he he won't now on these. He's what i believe. I don't think he's obviously going to let things go or would you know with with what they're saying so he's gonna hit back out notice time when all the dust settles on this though the issues out there a gun legislation what happened with it yeah and that is that is sort of the other aspect of this thing is what will change if anything on the ground i mean you know you can argue all day about the degree to which the president is the race a racist or white supremacist or whatever his defenders as we'll say neither is true i think if you look at the record of <hes> you know his activities and statements going back to the nineteen seventies when he was sue his landlord in new york for refusing to rent the people of color in central park jogger case and all all these different utterances as president <hes> equating counter protesters stories with the white the white <hes> the neo nazis who marched on charlottesville just a couple of a couple of years ago <hes> on and on i mean it seems like there's an awfully offi long record there for someone who wants to claim not to be a white supremacist or a racist but anyway <hes> your your take on this right now. Is that <hes> woman. What is likely is anything like that happen on on for instance gun control legislation well. Here's what's gonna make fascinating <hes>. If you look at <hes> ah you know. I don't claim to have known <hes> trump because i don't <hes> but i do know people that have worked. You know obviously for <hes> president trump and you try got it. Learn a little bit about the psyche of the person. I think we all know his psyche now how he kind of operate but if you look at history look he was not the republican choice if you say conservatives and republicans say ted cruz or lindsey graham. You don't say you know you really don't even say jeb bush but you don't take donald donald trump for sure and trump's had a history of certain things at the convention he came out for l._b._j. Writes <hes> right at the podium. I was aired intervention hurting and and then the gun the gun lobby and <hes> also people you know who supports second amendment and against gun control. Do you ever way you wanna frame it. They've all all be really suspicious trump because he's a new yorker you know i heard that he was criticized today by some within the because assis- coming out and talking about background checks and things so my bottom line to that is i think he is pliable on certain things i think he is and i think if congress this acts that they may get re receptivity to this issue because again he's not a forever died in the the wall. You know second amendment guy now. If you wanna comparing this what the right we'll tell you if you want to compare numbers with war you know well. I can't say bernie sanders. He's had a different ever record but elizabeth warren or something on the issue then yeah then trump's going to be a big second amendment person but in all reality he may signed some things yeah that's interesting something would have to come up onto the congress meaning getting so getting absolutely yeah yes and and and that may be where the we're the roadblock would be on this kind of stuff right. I think so and but then again they have twenty two seats open the senator rob portman of ohio. This has happened in his assam state dayton ohio. This puts a lot of pressure on people to do something. Yeah now trump's going after the mayor of dayton. I guess now is that right. Yeah this this one i didn't i really didn't well. There's a couple of things i didn't get first of all senator sherrod brown. I have known for forty years. I served with even three different capacities. I've known her forever <hes> and so shared said some things <hes> you know that could irritate the president <hes> and and shared made a couple of blanket lincoln statements again that could cause the two of them that go back and forth right when i watched the mayor's statements i'm like okay. There wasn't really a lot to pick from there. You know to to start a fight with be honest with you and <hes> best number one so i don't know why he came out too harsh on her. She wasn't that bad towards him. <hes> share it wasn't the worst of the world he just said a few things here and there that you know definitely a defining the second part to it though it would have served the president so much better had he just i mean i'm not saying don't respond to things but had he just said wow when the process he just say that's so political political on a day like this man. Can you imagine such a thing the donald trump saying i'm not gonna we would have had you and i would have spent an entire your show talking about it. Maybe it would be like so my word is donald trump coming down you know if somebody is captured the president kidnapping and replaced him but but <hes> you know he could and it would have been just so much better but yeah i thought he kept his swipes at the mayor or was i thought what did she do. You know i think it was that bad. Hey bob you know i i. I'm hearing this increasing. Drumbeat of from republicans really resent <hes> <hes> the guiding called a racist because obviously than if they vote for him you know that it opens up the question is somebody who votes for him racist and <hes> <hes> and what do you think of this as a possible response to that whole conundrum. I don't think i don't think everybody get labeled. Look i have relatives cbs who would crawl across glass for hillary clinton i mean literally they and they would've and <hes> and they can't pain from her and everything and and i used to tell them because they would say you know. Everybody is a homophobic. White racist voted for the president and i would tell them there's a whole wide variety of people that voted it includes a forty nine percent of women and as i was telling her whether she likes my relatives whether they like to hear it or not <hes> antifa has there's a has a thesis to it of violence is is okay or you know aggressiveness okay. If it's for the right cause you know. I was just saying to her. You can't equate <hes> people who are supporting hillary clinton who happened to be in antifa that everybody is out to actually free caused violence and they all all hillary clinton supporters are like that you know there's a wide variety of people that are supporting people so i think the deplorable comment craig sample. They're deplorables. I really heard hillary did quite a lot did but i mean i i just wonder would it be smart or when we useful foil for somebody in the republican party to say let's put up an alternative candidate <hes> and the and <unk> to run against trump in the primaries and that way if you're really concerned about this if you're worried about <hes> trump's racism <hes> you know you. Have you have a place nice to go it. Doesn't it doesn't mean you necessarily have to <hes> support the democrat. I mean let let's let's think about <hes> b because i mean the continuation jason i i think a lot of people thought once trump became president. You know what he's going through the election. Wow he's elected. There's a surprise and then there's a couple of months theory it'd be you know <hes> the lame duck period period or whatever and and people think sort of had this expectation that he would rise to the occasion to be president but it's been since he was president that he said things about charlottesville and he said things about majority black countries being assholes and all this kind of stuff and and <hes> so he clearly has risen to some new level by virtue of being elected president so maybe at this point you say no the guy really is who he is and we knew it all along. We shouldn't have expected any change when he got you know actually got to the white house <hes> <hes> now we know and so then then you really faced with the question even more clearly than you were in two thousand sixteen. <hes> you know now now. Now we know how the guy behaves as president and it's still very problematic and <hes> should should be the case now where republicans say okay. Let's let's let's bring out this guy jim <hes> jon huntsman or just got done being ambassador to russia because he was talking about john john casick john casick <hes> i uh-huh government i think a lot of people consider bill weld a little bit of light <hes> lightweight or something but but i mean there there are other republicans out there who could take the party's mantle a small government and <hes> and and you know conservative values or whatever without this baggage of calling mexicans rapists and all this and and <hes> and then people could support the republican candidate without having this having to deal with this question of what does that say about me. Am i even if i'm not racist. What am i willing to throw all people of color under the bus because i like i gotta policy. I mean what's up. I mean the reason. I think you can't have that. Scenario areo happened is this you know i mean bill. Weld's running but you know he left the party. Turn libertarian you know and now he's running and getting that so that's not you know way up there but like if you had john encasing the palm you've got his. Nobody wants to run against trump. I really wish somebody would muster up the courage john casick. I keep mentioning him. Iran against trump wants. He's not governor anymore. A lot of people were asking john to run. You don't want to run asked me to add meets analyst john john casick i. I'm i'm also asked you run or some- somebody you know and and i know you know people accuse me of being the liberal once the the most liberal roll republican or whatever i you know i i would go for ted cruz again as the you know wish wish wish the republican nomination on him if he if you could get in there and enable the party to lose this racial baggage. I mean that's what it needs to do. It really needs chipita. I've been accused of being bernie sanders schill. I've been used to being a right wing <hes> right wing guy. He's on both sides of this back. We love you bob. You heard it yesterday. You heard the guy rama call in and it keeps me keeps me in you being way too. Maybe pammy conservative or something. Next guy who called in was accused me of being you know <hes> anti-trump okay yeah. That's why we get along so well. We get we take hits from both sides so it's all good things right. Hey bob. I appreciate it once again. I and let's keep let's keep avenues. Conversations are already. We're going to open the phone lines for the balance of the program this morning and invite listeners to call in and share your thoughts about what's been going on in here in vermont and in nation at large the world of the large. Lets us anything you want to talk about. We're open up for the remainder of the program program this morning. Two four four one seven seven seven is the local number here in watery one eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five and and just looking at the washington post's website. They've got a lead story up right now which is quite interesting. It's talks about two u._s. Senators <hes> cory booker courses a presidential candidate and richard durbin durban is from illinois both democrats <hes> in on thursday they employed the implored did the f._b._i. In justice department to address the threat of white nationalism with the level of intensity the agency's these being the f._b._i. And the justice department event with a level of intensity those agencies gave to international terrorism following nine eleven and i i wonder whether listeners out there see the current threat as on par with what <hes> what the <hes> was happening the way the country felt after the september eleventh attacks two thousand and one of course you know the role your memory back eighteen years and <hes> we were in a period of really serious <hes> <hes> national anguish i think after those attacks and we bought there now is this another period where we really scratching our heads and trying to figure out what's the best path pathway forward <hes> for the united states of america. How do we respond to the threats that are coming at us. It appears that at least in some instances the threats that are coming me at us are born right here in this country and <hes>. It's quite concerning <hes>. Let's see here the i'm gonna continue reading from this washington post story. It's quite interesting. A letter from the lawmakers addressed to attorney general william bar and f._b._i. Director christopher ray follows to mass shootings last last weekend in texas and ohio that left thirty one dead and dozens more wounded in the letter the senators decry quote growing unquote domestic terrorism threat in unnoted. One of the attacks was reportedly carried out by a quote white man motivated by racist and eddie immigration anti immigrant hatred this course was the <hes> <hes> the guy in el paso who <hes> investigators found had posted online manifesto <hes> specifically attacking verbally in hispanics <hes> talking about an invasion of texas bif- folks from south of the border <hes> and the that word invasion invasion of course has been much-quoted this week because it was the exact word that president trump has himself as used on more than one occasion to describe immigration from from south of the border into the united states of america and you know if you actually think that this is an invasion oftentimes invasions are responded to with firearms arms and that's what militaries do when their countries are being invaded. That's how wars start and so on and so forth and <hes> apparently there are some americans out there who feel like the immigration situation vision and our southern border has risen to that level in the and <hes> and then the next thing that happens is somebody goes out and decides that if these people are invaders we better start shooting them in fact those words were uttered at a rally <hes> with president trump a political rally he held several weeks back and it was in florida and he and his response was to sort of chuckle and say you can get away with saying that in the panhandle <hes> and i'm i'm not sure whether that's the the proper response for a president of the united states to say to sort of laugh something like that that off in another world you might see hey president say we do not condone violence and we seriously hope that nobody was seriously thinking about shooting people. That's not the way it's supposed to work. In the united states of america erica you go through <hes>. Maybe you get arrested for illegal immigration but you go through a deportation process legal processes as opposed to <hes> being shot randomly on the street. That's just not the way must work here. We're going to be back with more than a gram. Show shortly <hes> c._b._s. News at the bottom of the hour we are going to be hearing some words from our sponsors in back with your calls in a few minutes. I wish i had a dollar for every compliment. I get about selection upstairs at the warrants store. The season's collection boasts country casual clothing for men and women dresses for summer weddings and events baby baby clothing from sugianto and doodle pants and fairtrade jewelry from around the world. I'm excited about a new line of pottery from londonderry vermont also illuminated paper stars for outdoor outdoor fun. It's a great day trip to warren village comfort lunch on the deck and upstairs for some unique retail therapy fund funky and friendly and almost world famous breath gramshop. I w yeah we were talking about this letter. From senators cory booker and dick durbin urban booker of course <hes> is <hes> senator from new jersey. These are both democrats booker candidate for president and he's one of the twenty or so that have been participating in the reason presidential democratic presidential debates. Dick durbin is a veteran u._s. Senator from illinois and they have written to christopher rate ahead of the f._b._i. B._i. and to william bar the attorney general to ask them what what the government can do to step up its investigations and it's <hes> general posture regarding a white supremacist they call terrorism in the united states of america and they actually are arguing that this is a similar situation to what the nation faced after the nine eleven attacks of of course two thousand and one <hes> and and and one of the things is that the <hes> letter says is is <hes>. I'll just read read some of the text here. It is clear that violent white supremacists are the most significant domestic mastic terrorism threat facing our nation today and as far as we can tell this is the bar now as far as we can tell you have not uttered a single word in public about about this grave threat to american security since you became our nation's top law enforcement officer so i wondering if listeners out there think that william bar attorney the general has a duty to address this issue and and to talk about <hes> what the justice department the f._b._i. Are doing or need to do to <hes> step up their their surveillance vigilance their general posture <hes> about addressing this domestic terrorism this sir born of a really white supremacy in racism in the united states <hes> the washington post here <hes> which is talking about this goes on and to say thursday's letter comes more than three months after a slew of democratic senators including booker and to other twenty twenty presidential candidates wrote a similar message to bar ray calling on the f._b._i. To amend how would classify a domestic terrorist incidents. The may second letter slammed the f._b._i. I for implementing a new category called racially motivated violent extremism which combined white supremacy acts with quote black identity extremists unquote in both letters the senator argue the new category categorization downplayed white supremacy. They said the phrase quote black identify. The extremists was fabricated based on quote a faulty assessment of a small number of isolated incidents unquote and urged the f._b._i. To specifically track white supremacists acts so that's an interesting development there where the administration wants to lump these white supremacists acts together with something called old black identity extremist acts and the senators are saying <hes> there just aren't many of these in this other category here. There's not not much of that going on in the united states of america. The real problem is white supremacist axe and the f._b._i. And the justice department need to get serious about those and <hes> not divert our attention onto this other category <hes> i guess they wanna tribute to black folks and and it turns out this just not much happening there so <hes> if your house is on fire you probably want to put out that fire and not worry about your neighbor's house right now which is not burning just a thought. I'd be curious to know what you think out there listeners a two four four one seven seven seven is the local number here in waterbury the toll free number one eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five and the <hes> <hes>. I think it's an interesting development to see eh. This question raised to our government to government agencies primarily responsible for enforcing laws against terrorism those being the the f._b._i. For starters the justice department what are they doing how can they how can they possibly respond better than they are now to white domestic terrorism and <hes> these are seem to be real issues in this country. Obviously that guy in <hes> paso <hes> people are saying that the shooting in dayton ohio <hes> was perpetrated by somebody who had expressed <hes> leftist views online online although there was no direct tie between anybody could has been able to determine so far that you know if the guy's a supporter of elizabeth warren which i've seen reported boarded a couple of places that that necessarily is what prompted his act shooting <hes> one of the people who shop was his sister. I think raising raising the question in some <hes> in some people's minds as to whether there was some sort of domestic violence stuff going on here of some sort or another <hes> so it's there's no there's no clear your link there between ideology and the heinous act in dayton ohio that there is in in the el paso shooting where the guy specifically posted this <hes> this manifesto online before the el paso shooting using the word invasion the same where the president is used to describe immigration <hes> and so there's much more a much stronger sort of ideological link in the el paso shooting so far established. I mean maybe he's continuing. Investigations will find and something different but <hes> then is seems to be the case in dayton shooting. <hes> it's a <hes> it is a very interesting <hes> non parallel there. I think people need to keep their eye on the differences here. <hes> here's an interesting story. This is <hes> huffington huffington post reporting republican group attacks trump and mitch mcconnell in new ad running on fox news. I i gotta get my head around honest. Were moment here folks. This is a republican group attack attacking the republican president and the republican majority leader of the state senate in a new ad running on on republican. I mean on fox news and <hes> this is a kind of an interesting thing here this this new spot warns about the election security threat threat and urges the senate to act senate majority leader. Mitch mcconnell is getting hit by members of his own party in a new tv ad airing thursday in washington d._c. And in his his home state of kentucky the spot urges the urges voters to call mcconnell in demand a vote on the election security bills. He blocked last week. It also features a supercar president. Donald trump dismissing the well-documented threat of election interference from russia. The ad will run on quote morning joe. Oh <hes> let's see on m._s._n._b._c. and during fox and friends on fox news in d._c. Th the latter is known to be one of trumps favorite shows former weekly standard editor bill kristol shared the post which was created by republicans for the rule of law and organization of which he is a director and <hes> i this is this is interesting stuff here and it kinda goes to this idea that has been particularly in my own mind with the last couple of days. <hes> y- there are some republicans out there who have never been real warm about their president donald trump and <hes> and and i think the recent developments laments of trump's statements <hes> his incendiary remarks about those four <hes> congressmen women of color for example and and other is the whole all string of stuff you know the the the charlottesville comments the rate of all of back to his campaign and of course even earlier in his life these indications and and as i i was saying earlier in our conversation with bob ney i think i was saying that i think a lot of a lot of folks kinda hoped that the president would would tone down some of this rhetoric after he got elected elected and okay. He's going to the white house now. The president of the united states a big part of the job description. There is that you get the world's biggest bully pulpit when you speak people really listening to you carefully and you have a heck of a lot of influence just by your words <hes> words do matter and when the president's words <hes> you know despite all we talk about equality et cetera in the united states the president's words matter more than anybody else's. Let's let's face facts here folks and so when the president of the united hi states continues to talk from time to time about <hes> you know majority black countries being assholes all these other remarks. I don't need to recite the them all and and the president of the united states has made even since being elected <hes> you do have to ask yourself <hes> whether republicans might be wise to find somebody who doesn't doesn't have all his baggage to run for president challenged him in the primaries in in two thousand twenty and <hes> so now now we see this republican looking group involving bill kristol <hes> and others <hes> saying let's <hes> let's let's get after the president about elections security issues. Let's get after after mitch mcconnell. Then of course election security legislation has been bottled up by the senate in no small thanks to the majority leader and the let's see that these this huffington post says the bills which are aimed at helping to protect against russian meddling and other threats include a seven hundred seventy five million dollar the measure passed by the house to strengthen state election systems mcconnell claimed the bills were unnecessary and said that trump had already taken action to protect attacked elections the ad also contains comments by trump in which he not only claims russia isn't a threat but admits he'd take dirt on a rival if moscow offered it quote. It's not an interference trump's at an a._b._c. in an a._b._c. interview in june they have information. I think i take it so <hes> this this this of course is pretty interesting because when one of the real questions of the whole muller investigation of the two thousand sixteen election was centered around this allegation that the trump campaign campaign did take a negative information about hillary clinton from the russians and <hes> so here we have the president of the united states coming out after this two year investigation into this whole thing saying that basically there's no problem there i would i would do it. I would do it again <hes> they. They have information. I think i take it to the quote from president trump and his in his a._b._c. interview <hes> back to the post critics slammed mcconnell for blocking the bills quotas aiding and abetting russian president vladimir putin's ongoing attempts to subvert american democracy according to the republican f._b._i. C._i._a. d._i._a. D._i._a. intel committee joe scarborough said on his and m._s._n._b._c. news show. All republicans are all saying. Russia is subverting american democracy in moscow. Mitch won't even let the senate take a vote on that. That is unamerican. That's <hes> that is according to <hes> joe scarborough former republican republican congressman from florida by the way and <hes> that's pretty funny. I mean i i hear from some of our callers and the dave graham show w._d. F._m. and a._m. I'm too liberal and i'm to anti-trump and here's joe scarborough former republican congressman from florida saying some pretty harsh things about the president of the united states just curious to know whether listeners out there have any thoughts on whether the f._b._i. And the justice department needs to step up and started investigating more rigorously more thoroughly and more aggressively the idea that there may be a lot of a potential more potential attacks out there demo- domestic terrorism heroism brought on especially by white supremacists in the united states of america <hes> white supremacist used to be a fairly <hes> rare thing we thought in the united states i now we have of course a couple of united states senators referring to the president of the united states is they white white supremacist. I'm i'm sorry one united states senator one former congressman from texas beta o'rourke and elizabeth warren to two candidates in the democratic like primary race both using that term white supremacist to describe the president of the united states. Is that overdone are they. Are they being a little over the top of that terminology the or is that an accurate description of the president <hes>. What do you think out there folks. <hes> give a call to the dave ramsey show here w._d. F._m. and a._m. You can weigh way in on that question. Meanwhile in mississippi yesterday <hes> there were a series of raids by <hes> ice and let's see u._s. Immigration and customs enforcement conducted the seven raids at food processing plants across mississippi a lot of these these are are <hes> they basically processed chickens is <hes> one of the big one of the big things they do down there at these food processing plants in mississippi and <hes> the one of the six hundred eighty people taken into custody of course were largely undocumented hispanic hispanic immigrants working in the oftentimes very difficult and no fun conditions of these chicken processing plants <hes> in mississippi zippy <hes> i i'm still trying to figure out to what degree any the employers of these folks who absolutely ar- violating federal law they they are employing people who are undocumented and don't have the proper work visas etc <hes> to what extent where they arrested. That's that is important question. Let's let's see u._s._a. Today has a story here. A scott county child started kindergarten tuesday wednesday while a child was at school. Their parent was arrested by federal agents. One of six hundred and eighty people taken into custody after immigration and customs enforcement conducted seven raids food processing plants across mississippi school pretended tony mcgee said as was the afternoon he knew of at least six families within the district that had had a parent caught up in the raids the students ranging from kindergarten to high school so here's the picture i think is being painted here. This is <hes> something trying to get your mind around here. I it's a wednesday morning in mississippi <hes> the apparently they start the school year there. I think they do in other parts of the country earlier than in vermont. So kids are just starting the school year and the <hes> in some kid. Here's a kid going off to kindergarten in while the kids in school first day at kindergarten the parent gets arrested and <music> now the kid going to be able to go home and be treated to his or her afternoon milk and cookies or whatever i would be part of a routine for a kindergartener coming home from school or will the parent does not be there and and if so <hes> who supervises is is this child what is going to happen with not just this child but apparently several others in this particular school where the superintendent tony mcgee said he he knew of at least six families within a district that had a parent caught up in the raids students ranging from kindergarten tie school begin you met with ice officials after the raid said he expected expected number to increase the raids happened in small towns near jackson. That's the state capital. <hes> the workforce made up largely latino immigrants and <hes> reports on the scene of the raise mention children waving goodbye to their parents. The adults were taken into custody. It is not publicly known how many children are being affected by the arrests and <hes> you know you do have to ask the question is this the is this the right way to handle our immigration issue in the united states of america to have kids go to school in the morning and essentially lose their parents while they're in their kindergarten classes at the school in scott county. Teachers and staff are on standby to make sure h._r. Doesn't go home to an empty house. Bus drivers have been given strict instructions to have quality visual reference to a parent or guardian unquote before they drop the student off. If there's not a parent home the child will be taken back to school. Okay so is the school equipped now. The school normally shuts down what three in the afternoon or something and <hes> may and teachers go home and staff want to go home at the end of the day. Hoop hoop was jowl going to sleep that night. Apparently some churches are stepping up but <hes> was all this stuff thought through before these raids were carried out and <hes> we're here. Here's a quote <hes> we're going to. We're going to be here at the school until we make sure that. Every child is safe or has a safe place to go. This is again a superintendent mcgee of the local school district where these rates are going down <hes>. We're gonna make sure that our kids are taken care of. I and <hes> you know that sounds like a noble in warranted sentiment from a school superintendent one hopes that the school superintendent would respond in such a fashion in the question's always <hes> <hes> from there okay so what are the logistics ear. Does the school superintendent actually have the support he or she needs to carry out <hes> that that sentiment in that <hes> that idea that you want make sure the kids are safe and they're taking care of in style <hes> and again did anybody who decided to pull off this raid think about this stuff ahead of time or did they just say immigrants working here undocumented undocumented immigrants bad. Let's go around around him up. I don't know i don't know the answer to this question. It could be that <hes> this is all very well planned out here but the anyway on and on and be oh this is just another manifestation of the inability to united states come up with immigration policy that actually seems workable and fair and and those one accuse me of favoring open borders or whatever i don't think just opening the borders the way to go either but i do think that we need to actually respond a to what the needs are people who are showing up down there and and figure out how we do handle it in rational and humane way and and <hes> so far that doesn't seem to be happening well. We'll stay on top of it here on the day graham show on w._b._z. f._m. and a._m. We were about at the top of the hour which means the end of the program today appreciate everybody tuning in and listening and it's <hes> we're going to do this again. Actually tomorrow from the vermont egmont antique and classic car show on fire field in waterbury. I read three day weekend. Carve event antiques six cars. It's going to be a lot of fun tune in tomorrow for that and meanwhile stay to the show <hes> common sense radio and have a great afternoon everybody <music>.