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I don't get that anymore normal. She doesn't get that anymore. You you should be. So lucky you mom of two for all that sleep that you get. They do that. They were Mercifully they slept last night. They both they have like periods. Where for several nights in a row. They don't sleep. I think they just get together and say like, let's not sleep for a few nights and really like destroy mom and dad, and then eventually they just can't hold out anymore because like their one in four and they just have to sleep. And that's the night that was last night. It was very exciting. We just found out that more than likely there won't be guns in Riley's college classrooms who very exciting news. You know what? Like, I very happy about that. It makes me real sad that that's something that we have to be excited about like. No guns in classrooms, Kazak got real close. And almost happened. Still could it's it's not well, yeah. Yeah. It's not a hundred percent dead. I guess there's the slimmest possibility could come back by tomorrow evening. But more or less, it seems to pull out that that a defibrillator fibber later. Yeah. This they caught his ambi- Bill. Just coming back died several times and then been resurrected so. Well, hopefully, they listen to reason and science and evidence and the will early the voters, and but I realized that they were wrong. They do have that really solid. Totally not insane argument on their side that the only way we can protect young women from being sexually assaulted is to allow them to carry guns. Correct. This is a is a real argument the where making twenty nineteen. Yeah. That's I mean, that's their primary the primary argument. It's still the it's the good guy with a gun. Let's just well. I mean in the broader argument is arm everybody. This all the time always time baby guns. Doug, guns, cat guns old lady guns guns, just guns just wild west it, everybody all the time. And hey, I don't know how to use a gun. Why would they wanna give me one? I don't want one. Well, no, you don't get one because you have to have a concealed carry permit. And you don't know how to do that. You could figure it out. I say I think is probably pretty easy seem like it's probably pretty easy here. I mean, if you don't take the steps to get that concealed carry license and carry a gun, then if somebody assaults you, it's basically your own fault. Is it city wish in here as well? It's still focused on like instead of let's working on the problem of rape and sexual assault. Why don't we? Why don't we arm everybody? Yeah. And say, I don't know stop at yourself. Hey, congress people girl pants don't have pockets where am I supposed to put this gun? You want me to have? Likings where are they going to conceal it air we gonna contain it? I'm awaiting the yoga Pat with like optional gun pocket like won't make your butt. Look big. You can hide gun here. It comes in paisley. You know, if it's gonna if it's gonna come out it'll be a dick sporting goods in Huntington. I you're right. I'm getting by the way, getting texts from like every doctor in this community right now that I know like did you hear campus? Carry was just a fetus, did you hear it died and judiciary? Did you hear like every doctor? This is like that big episode right at the right before intermission of musical. Everyone's like running around like did you hear did you hear? I like that you say intermission. Because that insinuates, oh, no. There's a second act of this. And I just can't not be cynical and things that there will be. I hope it's dead. We'll see. Well in in happier news, it is March. Yeah, I I like March spring break also say, Yep. Sydney's Burton's birthday. We start we start celebrating its at the end of it. Yeah. I mean like it's never too early. To celebrate my birth little too early or late three weeks away to celebrate all the time. Well, I mean if that's the rule that it's not too late. Celebrate my birthday it just happened back in January minus just in a few weeks in August. Saint Patrick's Day and my birthday what a great month. We'll fantastic month. Saint Patrick's Day is one of those holidays that isn't a holiday when you're under twenty one at its it's also not holiday if you're over twenty five I think. Oh, I think it's fun. Likes it. I like it. Because now I have a kid who like decks herself out in green and thinks it's now she goes to school. What if some kid pinches are because she's not wearing green? It fall Saint Patrick's Day falls on a weekend. So. Yes. As close she's actually wearing her Saint Patrick's Day outfit tomorrow. That's good. It's a while away. That's that's good early. It's wear green day, which I've been calling green day, and it's been very confusing. It's green day for green eggs and ham because it's Dr Seuss weaker something. See, I don't know. I'm putting green hair extensions in her hair. Oh, she loves that. But it's also women's history month. Do you? The great thing about March women, it's it's a month of Gloria Steinem birthday. Her birthday is like two days before minor two days after the threat around mine within two days of mine, Sydney finds fact very important. I did when I was when I was younger, and I guess, hey, listen to me transition. Yeah. We're going to talk about some of our favorite female role models. Teen. I mean, like not teens themselves, but like when we were teens and current female role models than now and one of my first ones was Gloria Steinem. She was one of my I like I got really excited when I started reading about about her and. Then when I found out that our birthdays were close together. I thought it was fate. I will be a finised, and I will be loud, and I will make trouble. Yes. And also those glasses looked really I don't think I could pull them off. That is that is the question. I I the re the realization the so rarely happens when you have like somebody that you idolizes a teen. And then like someday you get to meet them. Yeah. I I got to meet Laura Steinem when I was in college. She came to give a talk in a women's studies class that is not into. I have nothing against women's studies. I just wasn't in that particular woman studies class, but I kind of knew the professor, and I ended up in the back of the room. And then I snuck my way up to the front at the end. So that I could say. So, you know, somebody hated me for that. I wasn't even in the class. Yeah. Who is the shows you go here. It's just like I'm going to do this. I think I told her like, you know, in one of my classes, we had to pretend to be historical figures in debate things that I pretended to be you. And she was like, that's nice. We maybe not a thing that I don't know. Sure. Islands pretended to be you. I love. Was in a class. But that was that was one of my earliest introductions to the idea feminism, obviously, she is not the only feminist or the the Indo be-all of feminism. But it was my first my baby steps into the world of feminism. I know for me when I was I guess probably seven mom took me to the polls in two thousand eight for the primary election and said, hey, we're gonna vote for a woman for the first time ever for president vote for Hillary Clinton. She did not win. Then. It was you're wonder did not wish everyone who's spoilers. Sorry. If you hadn't heard yet. If you haven't watched the two thousand eight primary election yet. Yeah. I maybe for all the like, you know, like babies out there. Also, if you're hanging back if somehow you're watching presidential elections. I don't know. And you're like that far back in the seasons. Let me tell you against airs. There is some stuff coming. Yeah. Yeah. Up. What watching it doesn't go anywhere? Good. Where are you? Where are you right now? Did you just see Obama win? Stay there. Stay there. Forever. Don't go just live there. Like when you watch. Now to me, it's like, you know, who dies later just living stay in the world where they're all alive. But I I remember that being the first time when I was like man women can not the first time. But that I remember being women can do do really cool things because sometimes when you're young and going through school, even when I was going through school. Usually the boys were the ones ever was like, well, you're you're smarter. And you're gonna do better things, and you're more likely to be better at this or more capable of doing this. And then you see women doing important things when you're a little tiny woman yourself, and you're like, wow. That's the thing. I I think I think Hillary Clinton did that for me as well back in the nineties when she was first lady because to see the first lady be so vocal about policy, specifically health policy was her platform, and to kind of she she spoke out she had a position she had what at the time was considered a radical position. It would be now compared to the era of you know, maybe Medicare for all that we're moving towards hopefully, hopefully Medicare for all it does not seem radical now. But the way that she was then beaten up in the press and just took it and kept on fighting and eventually, obviously the healthcare law died, and she wasn't able to get any traction. But it was it was very electrifying for me as as a young woman to see that. And be like, wow, she's just doing it. She she had a, Mike. She she's you. I mean, well, I mean like she she wasn't. He wasn't elected. She was the first lady. But she said forget it. I now have cameras are on me. I have a voice I have a microphone I'm going to use it. And I found that very inspiring to just say like if I have a position I'm gonna use it to speak about things matter. So yeah, Hillary Clinton was one of my early my early heroes for sure I think it's interesting that you know, I can say that and you can say that and I can say that continuing into my early teen years and in recent teen years. You know, that's not just someone that was only prevalent your time period or only become prevalent recently. I think that's interesting Tae. Do you have any of your like early female role models? I'm trying to think like back to like first Ramadi that weren't worker tunes. And I mean, I think for me there is like kind of as static that most of my role models possessed. Like, I don't know like the females that I was obsessed with as a young teenager. I was very much into music specifically like rock and roll and punk music, and like Joan Jett in like Kathleen Hanna like Brody doll and Louis post like like kind of like women that Representative sort of like, they weren't afraid to be messy. They weren't afraid to be rough. They weren't afraid to be like kind gross. And like it was like something that I was in infatuated with. I mean, they're also their music, which you know, they weren't. They weren't singing about boys. They had crushes on. They were seeing about politics and they were singing about their sexuality like openly. And like, you know, it was it was kind of the aesthetic in the message of of what I wanted to be like. Is that a very the kind of female that you know, you hear all your life. You're not supposed to be was very much what they all were. And what I just kind of absolutely idolized as a young teenager. Yeah. Now, I think music is a big part of that when your teenager. That's very true. Because when I I'm thinking about like as an adult when I think of powerful female role models. I don't necessarily think of like a lot of media nessa, you know, at this point in my life. But I it's true. If I think about to my teenage years, I've I've found Carole. King vary. Impounding? I listen to her music all the time, and I found her like soulful and important, and I I found her very inspiring. But like also, Tori Amos. I've. Oh, yeah. All the sudden there was this like voice that was not at all. What am I trying to say? Like it. I was such a good girl. I followed the rules IB haved, and Tori, Amos seemed like she didn't. And in a way that I found like very like cool and interesting and exciting and like, maybe it's not important of follow the rules all the time. Maybe if you're maybe if you push against them, I I've I've found her very exciting as a young woman like somebody that made me look at things differently. And he saying, Tori, Amos was the girl in your your teen movie about your life that shows up and shows you how to, you know, let your hair down a little and appreciate the the things in life teaches you how to skip class for the first time and and wear a leather jacket. She's the first one to like their me this MLK cigarette. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Tori, Amos are I guess in on a lighter note, Atlantis Morissette? But like. Tori was the real deal. That was always the impression. I had Tori Amos. It's the real deal. Well, and I mean, I think those were that's. That era of like, the women in music that we had then sort of alternative women like that came about like, we're so opposite what we were being fed with like, the regular pop culture. Like, you know, it was op that was opposite during that time period like the rise of like, Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears. Like, even like the Spice Girls, which okay third wave feminism? But like still like jumping around in platform boots. And like, they're singing palatable pop music their biggest request on you is that if you wanna be my lover, you gotta like be with my friends like that's that's way, easier to get along with then like, Tori, Amos, you know, talking about her feelings in depth than the ugliness of them. And the realness of them like that it was there was an unpalatability that that that music was brave enough to possess that I think really I mean the same artist. You're you're talking about like, I think still in the same categories the ones I'm talking about like Fiona apple, you know, like apple had no problems being somewhat unapproachable and somewhat scary. And that really really intrigued me, and like made me think that they were different ways to be a woman other than crap ta. Long blonde hair, I'm innocent. But maybe not like come on. It's I it that is really true that definitely musical artist. I was trying to think if there were I don't feel like there are a lot of actors necessarily pushed me in that direction. I I don't I don't know why I guess music you consider like the creation of the artists and that not that. I mean, obviously a character is as much the creation of the actor as the writer. But I don't know. I wasn't being I never felt like that connection to actors that I did to musicians it's different. Because when you're listening to someone's music listening to they are words, and I mean for the most part, they write them in or at least know what they're singing and believe in what they're singing. But you're watching someone performance a character. Even if they're helping creating the character, it's still not them. It's still something they are creating. But what they're creating is not a reflection of their personnel. Now. I think I think along with music like that. I would also say that Missy Elliott. Is another good figure. Like, I remember the first time I started seeing like her music, videos and stuff thinking like as a woman. This is a different like, it's it's cool. And it's different and it's out there, and it's a whole other voice, and it's louder, and it's I mean, I liked it. Like, I I remember thinking like this is very inspiring to me as a woman as a whole. I mean, it was I don't know. It's a voice you didn't hear enough in medium, which you didn't hear enough from from women like being that bold? And I think that was a very inspiring influence for me to. Well. I think then I think Missy Elliott exudes confidence. Like, yes. Yes. That's something that I think it's always kind of a low-key like, no, no in feminity is like I hate I hate of all that so many troops. Hey, but the one I hate the most is that you can only be beautiful. If you don't know it. Yes. The only way you can actually be beautiful as long as you just are so unaware of it if you know, you're beautiful. No, you're you're ugly on the inside. You're a bad person. But like that's an end that beauty can only be bestowed. You buy a man he can tell you you're beautiful, and then you can be beautiful, but is because he validated. You it's not a thing you can own. And so I just love it. When like a female artist or musician or just female like. Yep. Album as ING I'm confident I'm towns, and I you should be afraid of me. Yeah. Now, which I mean like I think another like of fee, we're still kind of in the celebrity round. But a female who is powerful and inspiring the is from our era and continues to persist today better than ever beyond. Ample of that. Yeah. I mean, I'm just going to say I'm glad she knows her power. She owns it. And that that is that's so important because as a young woman, I very much felt like an important value as a female is that I am constantly self deprecating. That I am. I am an at every turn trying to underplay my own skills and worth and abilities and appearance as much as I possibly can. I like specifically what is the what direction wonder action is just one is that the? I'm pretty new directions is the glee things wonder. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever direction like literally, the chorus is you don't know you're beautiful. That's what makes you beautiful excuse me. While I vomit. Yeah. That's always very important. It seems when you hear like men writing about women. That their character is extremely beautiful, but somehow has never seen a mirror in her entire life. You know, like I mean right up there with beyond say like lady Gaga, and I was never a pop music fan. But I live and die for lady Gaga because she has so much courage in her music, and she has no problem being honest and vulnerable, but also incredibly confident incredibly powered and also just weird. Yeah. Yeah. Her story is very relatable for a lot of young women because I mean, their stories of their Facebook groups, and you know, clubs created to tell her she'd never be famous and people telling her while she was in school and growing up like, you know, you just think that you're great. And you think all this about yourself? You're never going to be famous. You're not talented and now like she's out here winning Oscars. And you know, I think I think that anybody. Who women who pushed the boundaries like as we were talking about lady Gaga? I started thinking back older like Katie Lang. I think is a good example of that who pushed the boundaries of what? A woman is and what what a woman can look like, and what women can sound like and what woman can do. And be. I always think that that. That was so inspiring to me or grace Jones is a great example of that. Like, I I think like redefining that was very powerful. And I know that we started in like, the political realm and people who've made great contributions society, and we could sit here. I mean, it is women's history month we could list like all the women who've done great, thanks history. Of course. But I think like there is a place for women who have just changed the definition just a little bit right of what you can be. And that's so important when you're younger because the more things you see women doing the more things you feel like you can do as a woman and through the scope of like the premise of the show kind of dealing with teen audiences and the teen experience like as much as their. Yes. So many. Amazing women in history that have done so much. Like for me. I don't know. Like was I the most politically aware like studious teen. No, I lived on a steady pop culture diet. And so the things that shaped by the kind of woman, I grew into we're we're largely pop culture figures. I think that's true for a lot of people. Like, I think it like seen Ellen come out on prime time television was an incredibly like earth shattering moment for me as like a as a young teenager or or like, I remember listening to like on E Franko. And it was like like I felt like I had like a I don't know something like, you know, contraband, like, oh, no, it's let's be music, and I'm listening to. You know? That's that's just you know, they didn't change any rules or have any change the world. But for me, they were pop culture figures that put new ideas in my head and also made me like humanized ideas that I was really afraid of for me. Yeah. I want to I want to get more into some from today figures from today, and then also move we we said, we weren't gonna talk a ton about celebrities. And then we all we all we all had a lot to say. I didn't he asked me. Let's check the message. I have a sponsor I'll tell you all about this week. I I may get to a I go for it. All right. I'm gonna tell you about squarespace. 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This is more like ones that we personally found inspiring link on. I mean, I am not like trying to disrespect the accomplishments of Susan B Anthony or with Blackwell. Or Margaret Sanger. I, you know, I realize as we're talking about this that it sounds like, well, we're just going to completely disregard some very important figures in history. But no just ones that we maybe had a little bit of a personal draw to and inspired us as humans, and there are many that. I am sure inspired you personally as well. Just thought I would mention that. Because otherwise, it would seem like a very bizarre survey. Right. I wanna talk about women. I look up to now go for it. So there are three women. I I really admire that weren't around when you all were teens, and there is one that I greatly admire who is always been around. We'll continue to watch over. It's all in that. Of course is Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Yes, I wanna start by talking about her as we transition into today because she's been around for young girls and women alike till up to for a really long time. And I think that. A lot of the things. She did. No one knows about everyone knows that. She's spring court Justice that she has spent her career fighting for for women and for all people for equality in all things like that. But I I think that a lot of things she did we really cool and a lot of people don't know. And it's a young woman who hopes to go into the legal field. I think that she is exceptionally inspiring unless they saw the movie in which case they might unless I saw the movie on the basis of sex, which I did. And that is why do know these things, and I did look them up afterwards to make sure they were all accurate and the ones I found the most dryly, you're right. You're very strongly worded letter if they were. Yes. Like, I didn't know that Ruth baiter Ginsburg was married to a man who also went to Harvard Law School. She was one of only eight women in her entire graduating class and was one of the first classes to ever allow women into Harvard in the first place, but she was married to a man who was a year or two ahead of her in law school, and he contracted cancer while he was in school. So while he was home resting and getting treatments done. She took notes for all of his classes while attending all of her classes, also while raising their daughter, and I find that crazy that she, you know, did the work for her husband while he was sick took care of their child did her own work. And then as soon as he graduated law school, he was offered a job immediately at a very important firm in New York. But as soon as she graduated top of her class from both Harvard and Columbia. In Harvard law review, in Colombia's law view, she was not offered a job any law firm. She interviewed up because they didn't want women working at their law firms, and she had to become a professor at Rutgers at their law school, teaching about women in gender equality law and all those things which is cool in its own right because she was their first ever female tenured professor, but she also like wasn't able to work in what she. Was trained to do because she was a woman and did the work for her husband, and he was immediately to and you know, once you was able to become a lawyer she'd fought for women and does that today. Oh, I think RB's like a a great feminist role model for everyone not just those who want to do law. Listen, you're only love for Rb here. I know I can't imagine a single person listening to this episode is going to try to commit any of us with any sort of shade. RB are are. Beechy? So. Are we we love you serve on the supreme court for all of time. Yes, you'll never you'll never go away. But three women who weren't around when you all were teens. I think are good for for young women today the first of which being Alexandria Cossio Cortes. Yeah. AFC is definitely I think a great role model for young women today. Everybody's so mad. He danced, and they all hated it. And I love that. I love the all it takes to get all these old white guys up says for a young woman to dance. She's I think she's they see her as a threat for several reasons. One is that she's very qualified. She's very smart and capable and able to do her job. Very well. I mean, she she's doing well, and objectively she is good at this and should be doing it. And I would say we'll be for a very long time. Not just in congress. Say someday presidential run is in her future. Someday where I betting y'all be enough to be her VP. But but I think it's also because we talked about this confidence thing. And she's got it. Yeah. She knows she knows what she's doing. And that's that's a really powerful thing because even women in leadership positions. You don't often see that degree of? About that self-assured nece that says, yeah, I can handle this. And that's very that's a great quality in a public servant to say. Like, I know what you have tasked me with as your Representative. I know what I need to do for you. And I am up to it. And I will make it happen for you to the best of my abilities. So that's a very good quality. There's nothing about that. That's era. Then it's it. It makes you trustworthy. It's good. He walks around that Senate floor or hoops in red lipstick and power suit. And also asks the best line of lines of questioning to all people that. Was that a power suit? Yeah. I think eighties are like eighty suits like with the big shoulder pads. She looks powerful in it in its suit. So it's a power suit. Okay. Why is he talking about women redefining things she redefined the power suit eight does she her aesthetic does definitely bridge that gap. Where thinking the pass it's like, you can be feminine or you can be powerful. But you have to you can only have one like, and I think that I mean, I think you can fall wherever on the, you know, gender expression spectrum you wanna fall, but I do like like not going to be powerful, and I'm gonna wear my lipstick because that has nothing to do with it. Right. Yeah. Because this is just me. Yeah. And I think it's really important as we start to talk about the president. I know is a young woman. I was not we talk about the importance of seeing people do the thing that you wanna do before you can believe you can do it too. And I'm not saying that like I mean, as as young woman, most of the doctors, I knew were men I knew there were women doctors I need existed. It did not discourage me necessarily, but it certainly was easier as a professional growing in my career to see what that career was gonna look like when I met other women, and then as a and then it's not just about being a woman. But like when I met other moms, you know, like other people who were in my life circumstances. I could see myself growing in that career in those directions because I had somebody who was role modeling that for me. So just as important as it is to see women in these positions to to tell young women today. Hey, you can be this too. It's even doubly more important to see women of color in these positions. Yeah. Because when I think about like as a young woman in school. We were taught less about women in history than men and much much less about women of color than men and men of color than white men too. But, but that's just a part of our history that is not taught enough in schools at any level. I mean, not just in, you know, social studies class or high school history. I mean like on college campuses. It's it's, you know, often, very eurocentric. And so you don't get those stories. And so you don't realize that like, I think we've talked a lot about Hillary Clinton. And I love Hillary, you know, that and I in it's okay. If you wanna if you wanna give me some hate for love and Hillary, that's fine. I'll take it. I'll accept it. But Shirley, chisel ran for president in nine. Eighteen seventy to believe it was and yes, she was the she was the first major party black candidate to run for president. And the first black first black congresswoman, and that is a part of our history that we don't talk about a lot yet. I mean, you think about like no major yet female candidates for president you think about Hillary Clinton will. She was not the first by any stretch. But. She was white. And I mean, obviously with more recent that's part of it too. But but surely Chisholm should be spoken about just as frequently. And that I remember like I was never taught that in history class. So I think seen women of color, and highlighting them in positions of power now is so important, and and every chance that we get we need to promote women of color into those positions. You know, the elect them and have their voices heard. So that young women of color see that and know that that as possible for them because they're that history is not being taught. I agree. I think that two young women my two last icons, obviously, not my two loss. But all talk about here are two young women that are my age, and that's Yara Shahidi an immigrants all this yard Shaheed as in actress. But also in activist and has created a lot of campaigns to get young people to vote and educate young people about politics and get them involved in what's going on in our country, educating them and also is has taken time off her macking to pursue a degree at Harvard and Emma Gonzalez who survived the Marjory stoneman Douglas high school shooting in now is an activist for gun control. And as you know, been a really loud voice on a very, you know, public stage about something she believes strongly in it has gotten a lot of hate for it. As out a lot of people say really bad things about her and still continues to fight for what she believes him because of what? She's been through. And I think that both of them really impressive because they're women that are my agents like people that are my age are out there doing amazing, really cool things. And it's just really inspiring to see that, you know. One. You're never not evil do something because of your gender into your never not able to do something because you're young. And then she's taking on the NRA, and that's you know, Gary lobby. Yeah. The scariest thing anyone could do much less. A recent female high school graduate. No, absolutely. I think and I think seeing younger women to like in positions of power like that. It's even more important to know that like you don't have to wait until you're older to speak up. You can speak up. Now. I I don't think and I I'm speaking generalities. This isn't of course, true for everybody. But I don't think that is necessarily taught to men as consistently as it is. I feel like to women than that you have to like wait, your turn to speak up, or at least certainly felt like in all of my college classes men smoke up just fine. I speaking of college. I it's it's funny. We were talking about this episode. I was like bad. I feel like I should have like looking through my life female role models, and like I have a weird relationship with female role models specifically in the art world because coming up in the field of comics. It was very much like any project that I did. I would I got the same kind of feedback from professors that would slightly annoy me it's like they would compare me to the one female comic book credits. They could name like, oh, you're like a young Jill Thompson. It's like that's because that's the one woman that you know, that makes comics, and I got that all the time. Looks nothing might you'll Thompson like you're writing styles like Gilson MO like, no, that's just the woman that makes comics I love Gilson bone. She's amazing. Everybody should reveal Simone. And so like I kinda had this weird like ambivalence towards females in my field. Because I felt like it was like, no, I I want to be good for good. I don't want to just be like your compared to these same two or three like like token females in my field over and over again. But and I mean in our history, too like massively male dominated like, it's unfortunate. And there's so much of it that like art history is fascinating. But a lot of its breaks down to like Ukio male gaze. Sorry. But I do wanna mention my personal favorite artists ever free to Kalo both Mexican board woman of color, like three colors one of those figures. It just just gives a massive middle finger to everything that was standard at the time that she was making like she and wouldn't get so much like she had polio. Like as a as a baby like leaf through that had a horrible accident that like gave her pain and suffering for the rest of her life. Like wanted to be a doctor went to one of the first schools that allowed women to study had to give her dream because of her injuries became a world renowned painter confronted gender roles like embraced her cultural like outfits, like style. Like didn't give that up made it made it mainstream made it style to like her cultural touchstones like like, that's I think like three free to callers, one of the most inspirational women people. In in world history. Now, I I would agree with you wholeheartedly. I had a I had as I've gotten older I have gotten to learn about especially through doing SABA. I'm not plugging my other. I I've gotten to learn about a lot of inspirational people that I didn't know about when I was younger and one that I I mentioned in an episode not too long ago solvents, but I wanted to mention on here too. Because I didn't learn about her when I was younger. But now that I have I became obsessed instantly and like tried to track down every piece of writing or like anything about her life that I could find a learn more about her was Haley Tanner Dylan Johnson, and you probably haven't heard of her before. But she was the the first female physician in Alabama, and especially notable she was the first black female physician in Alabama. So the first female physician licensed medicine, Alabama was also a black and it was in eighteen ninety one. Which I think if we're thinking like the south in eighteen ninety one is especially in accomplishment. And when you hear about what she had to do to become a physician she had to go through a ten day oral exam Sifford ten days she had to go in a room and sit across from doctor who was considered an expert in his field. And they were all men they were all white men and just answer questions until he was satisfied that she knew enough about that particular area of medicine, and then come back and do it again for nine more days. First of all, I don't know how I couldn't pass that exam three days in. I would just be crying. Whether I knew the answers are not the stress would be too much for me. But the fact that she did it, and she did it, you know, she must have been flawless because you know, they must have been looking for anything. Yeah. And she did it and she passed it. And then was able to serve the license position. I think ferry I became fascinated and like instantly was I was trying to read everything could about her about her life and what she did. And she took care of students to ski and like I was trying to read about all this stuff. And it was just anyway, it's cool to find that as an adult like women who continue to inspire you from history and current who, you know, push you forward and make you want to be a better you. Well, it's funny because I think a lot of these women that were talking about they all have that that taboo confidence we started the upset discussing. They all have that in common. They all have that ability to say, well, this is this is what I want to do. And I'm going to do it. And I'm gonna find a way around whatever hardships live is going to throw at me like that. I don't think it's accidental that that's the that is. Culturally taboo for women. I think that's a very purposeful thing. I think it's something that we should all be aware of our insecurities are somewhat there for a reason because people want us to have them because that keeps us in line. Any other any other women would like to? I mean, so many others, but a podcast is on site. Do what I say as far as like per tuning heroes. This is just a funny anecdote, but Dido Brenda Starr, reporter, our their view of you heard of that city. I feel like you might have. It's comic strip from. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It took. So that's always credited to blue the nails, Dale Mesic. But it was actually like one of the major comic strips published those drawn by woman, she was just jolt by an editor. Like, if you had a more male sounding name, you might get published. So she changed her publication into Dale and the comic was published. Yeah. So like super aware of the times like didn't hide the fact that he was woman, but just submitted things with a male name. I heard that story back in art school. And that it was a a teacher told that to me in conjunction with like, oh your name is Taylor. That's like an Android and his name that will serve you well in this industry, and I'm like, well, that's cool. It's a bummer. Changed in forty years. But cool. One. I I know I said I was done. But I have one of the dimension. I feel like I feel like we've talked about how as young women we were not necessarily always taught about women's history. And then certainly not anything outside of white women's history. We haven't made the point, and I would like to I was thinking about again through my other podcasts women that I've learned about that inspire me and one there's a there's a Dr Marci Bowers who specializes in performing gender confirmation surgery, and she is also notable as the first out trans woman surgeon performing these surgeries, and she's considered a rockstar of the surgery world. Yeah. I didn't know the surgery world had Rockstars really do. But, but I I mentioned her 'cause that's it's it's very important to find talented surgeons who can. Form that who are willing to work with their patients for cost and all that kind of stuff and that she's out about being trans woman and can talk to her patients about that. And can talk about those issues and the medical side of it and be a surgeon as well. I think is so important. But it's also a good reminder that when we talk about women were not talking about women that those two words are not synonymous. We're talking about all women, which includes trans women. I just think it's worth noting. Along those same lines. What of my favorite current musicians is large AIn grace against me who like came out as a trans woman. I think it's been about like five six years now maybe longer than that. But there album transgender for your blues is is stunning. I think it's my favorite against me album ever. And it really goes to show that it's like it's her coming into her own, and she makes amazing music, and she's an amazing like she's a rock you that actual rockstar. No, no offense. But her story is amazing. She makes maisy music and like I teach. She's right up there with all the other females. I started out talking about this up. So that just inspire me to be the most unapologetic me. Well, find the female role models that inspire you. Yeah. That's our. That's what we will. And and be your best you and thank you for listening. And thank you sisters for joining me. And you can check out other great shows at maximum fun dot org, and you can tweet at us at still buff. And you can Email us again. It's still buffering at maximum fund dot org because I believe it's working again. Yeah, I've got we have seen emails we have. So I think it is functional. And thank you to the novellas. For theme song. Baby changed mine. This has been still buffering a sisters guide to teens through the ages. I am rice, I'm sitting macaroni. And I'm I'm teenager. Have you ever watched a movie so bad? You just needed to talk to somebody about it. 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