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Well, someone else now has an Email problem, and she's close to the president as close as his own daughter will have that breaking new shortly. I think about your thoughts the day after the nine eleven attacks. Do you remember how you felt when the President George W Bush stood at ground zero and said this. I can hear you. How did you feel back then? And how about on this day nearly ten years later? Tonight. I can report to the American people and to the world. The United States is conducted an operation that killed SAMA bin Laden, the leader of Al Qaeda and a terrorist. Who's responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women and children if you were relieved in proud to hear President Obama say those words as you were angry and proud when President Bush spoke into that Bullhorn, you wouldn't be alone, Osama bin Laden wounded this country in a way that could not fully heal until he was captured or killed people haven't forgotten that we haven't forgotten this famous photo from the situation room as the rate on took place the sacrifices that made this moment possible, nor the work of seal team six in our gratitude that they all came home safely gratitude for everyone who made their mission possible because it helped heal this horrible wound. We all live with so long. You would think therefore that no one would have anything. But a kind word for anyone involved with that. Operation. Let alone the Admiral who oversaw at all. However, there is an exception. He happens to be commander in chief. President Trump has a beef with retired Admiral William mcraven the man in charge of seal team six and all special operations at the time. And it really shouldn't be necessary to mention he literally wrote a fundamental textbook on special ops. We shouldn't have to say that retired a highly decorated commander, nor that he went on to become the highly respected chancellor of the university of Texas. We should have to say that he left that job earlier this year to battle chronicle Kimia or that he is why the regarded by Republicans Democrats villian soldiers in academics as the opposite of a political animal. We shouldn't have to say any of it except the president of the United States had made Admiral mcraven a target of his ire. Bill. Mcraven retired Admiral navy seal thirty seven years, former head of US special operated Clinton fan special operation Clinton fan who led the operations command of the operations that took downside sane and that killed us on bin Laden says that your sentiment is the greatest threat to democracy in his he's a Hillary Clinton, backer, an Obama backer, and frankly was a navy seal. Nice. If we got some bin Laden a lot sooner than that. Wouldn't it have been nice living think of living in Pakistan beautifully in Pakistan? And what I guess they considered a nice mansion. I don't know I've seen. That's the president this weekend on Fox News. The apparent trigger annual mcraven criticism of the president's attacks on the press. And okay, we know the president is a counterpuncher. That's what it's defenders. And that's how they frame it. But keeping them on nothing. The president hits back within this case. If that's what he's doing has the weight of truth behind it. Just the opposite. His gestion that Admiral mcraven special operators were responsible for locating bin Laden. Not true CIA and others were seal team six got its orders on the twenty ninth of April twenty eleven less than two days later bin Laden was dead. As for his claim that Admiral mcraven is or was in his words, a Hillary Clinton backer, ended Obama backer. Well, it's kind of the same thing as saying that the current head of special operations is a Trump backer, Admiral mcraven served during the Obama administration and the Bush administration. He backed neither Democrats and Republicans who know him know that and have said so yet today the Republican party tweeted. Worth noting after recent comments retired Admiral William mcraven it was reportedly on Hillary Clinton shortlist for vice president in two thousand sixteen. He's been critical of President Trump even dating back to the twenty sixteen campaign. He's Horley a non political figure, they say, well, keeping them honest part of that is true and rumble craven was briefly mentioned as a running mate for Hillary Clinton. He was also mentioned as a possible national security advisor to President Trump and again colleagues of all stripes have praised him as being nonpartisan. So is the president projecting here just a little bit. You can decide for yourself. Does the president projected times? Does he tried to diminish in others, the kind of qualities that he himself lacks? Well, take a look. War here. He's a war years. He's a war hero presumes captured. I like people that weren't captured. Okay. I hate to. The president has also mocked gold star parents. And today he seemed to say that none of what those parents child died four. None of risks that seal team six took none of the fighting. None of the dying would have been necessary if the country had only listened to him listen to what he tweeted today. Of course, we should have captured Osama bin Laden long before we did I pointed him out in my book, just before the attack on the World Trade Center, President Clinton famously missed his shot, we paid Pakistan billions of dollars, and they never told us. He was living, there fools. He seems to be saying he warned us all. But no one listened think about that. As you. Remember, how you felt on nine eleven read the book, he says, then you'll see well, keeping them honest. We did read the book it's called the America we deserve. And here's the passage in question. One day. We're told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin Laden is public enemy number one and US jetfighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan. He escapes back under some rock and a few new psych. Later. It's onto a new enemy and new crisis. That's all. That's it. Not exactly Paul revere. Reveres midnight, ride, not even Mr. toes wild ride. And there's more to the story. C N N's Jim Acosta joins us now with the very latest President Trump seem to pivot from his attacks as the day went on Admiral mcraven. What is he saying? Now, he did because there was a lot of bipartisan criticism coming in John after he went after Admiral mcraven, he put out that tweet as you mentioned just a few moments ago going after Bill Clinton saying well, the Clinton administration mister shot to take out Osama bin Laden US forces US intelligence, as you know, John they did try to take out bin Laden in the late nineteen nineties, but neglects to mention obviously that nine eleven nine eleven happened under President, George W Bush, and the Obama folks would argue that they put the focus back on capturing or killing bin Laden a win Barack Obama came into office, and John I should point out. This is just not outraging. Democrats also outraging Republicans are talked to g GOP congressional congressionally. A key GOP. Congressional aide earlier this evening who said this is pathetic quote pathetic coming from the president. And as you mentioned, John, not even accurate as US intelligence was in charge of finding bin Laden. But it was the navy seals who were under the command of craven who got him. Jim. It's important to note where the president saying now is different than what he was saying when bin Laden was actually killed correct? That's right. We've talked about this before there's a tweet for everything in this case. There's actually a statement for everything the president when he was a citizen Trump than businessman. Trump told Dr colleague Maggie Haberman over at the New York Times of back in twenty eleven after the bin Laden raid was successful and took out Osama bin Laden, he gave a statement to Maggie when she was over politico saying listen, I want to congratulate President Obama and US worse on a job. Well done that is a pretty big departure from what he's been saying the last twenty four hours a job. Well, done overseen by annual William mcraven, Jim Macon's at the White House. Thank you so much joining us now someone who served with the Admiral retired army, Lieutenant General Mark irt. Ling also CNN global affairs analyst max boot, author of the corrosion of conservatism. Why I left the right general hurtling, I want to start with you. Because President Trump maintains that he has quote done more for the military than any president in many many years and that nobody's been more with the military than he has as president. So how does that square with what he's now saying about Admiral mcraven? I'm not sure does square John. Certainly there has been a key budget increase over the last year. Not truthfully. All that significant compared to pass budget increases, but I'm trying to kind of square that with the way he has coordinated with our allies the ways he has made it tougher in some cases for our military to maintain those alliances to counter some of the things that are going on around the world, the broadening of various threats and how we're addressing them from a national security standpoint, the Veterans Administration there's been a lot of talk about fixing some of the shortcomings there, but not a whole lot of action. In fact, just this week. I know you have seen the other scandal that's occurred with GI Bill payments. So there is this continued mantra of g the military is so much better. I'm not sure it is. And in fact, one of the concerns I have is the continued. Political as Asian of the military who's on the left who's on the right? That's all being generated by politicians, not the military themselves because they swear their oath to the constitution. But this is damaging to men and women who wear the uniform they sign up to do a job. They don't fight for one individual support and defend the constitution, the United States and the political ization of the military, the intelligence community and law enforcement is increasingly dangerous in my view wanna come back to that. In just a second max boot to you because as the president somehow comes across in comes up with this criticism of the bin Laden raid. You know, this falls neatly into a pattern that this president has which is making his career on second guessing, he's a genius decision making. But only after the fact he loves to come back and say, I would have done something differently. You saw during the after the parkland shooting where he said I would have run into the school and confronted the shooter. You saw him after the California forest. Fires saying it was missing. Management. They should have raked the forest you even saw it after game for the World Series where he said the dodgers made a mistake in Yenkey. They're starting pitcher, and the implication is that Donald Trump of omniscient all knowing he would have done something differently. And there is zero evidence of that in this in any of these cases, including this one without mcraven because there is no evidence as you pointed out that he ever actually said we need it to be going after Osama bin Laden prior to nine eleven all he said in that passage you correctly, quoted was there's this guy out there named bin Laden, and he's getting a lot of attention. But then we move onto something else. So now, he's trying to suggest that, you know, almost as if I Donald Trump had given the GPS coordinates, and they didn't do anything about it, which is absurd sort of like Casey Stangl, the smokey bear in Rambo all wrapped up in one twenty two. When he's at you're actively looking like, the Walter Mitty of presidents marker lane general when you talk about the position of the military. That's serious. No one thinks that the military is above reproach in doesn't deserve criticism at times. However, president seems to be looking at it exclusively through a political lens in this place, perhaps very misplaced political lens when dealing with Admiral mcraven. Yeah. And some in the military are picking up on that. And it's unfortunate that some are even during this way. We're seeing people choosing left and right who were wearing the uniform and having worn the uniform for almost four decades, John I countered counted this afternoon. How many presidents I served under? I had to forcibly count that it was five Republicans and three Democrats and Bill mcraven was in the same time. I was so I would guess he served under those same kind. It didn't make a difference to me during those times, we served the constitution and at the pleasure of the president as long as they were giving legal and moral orders. But unfortunately, the president continues to use the military as props. He likes to stand in front of them. He likes to use them for parades or hopeful parades, change policy that seems to go along with an ideology that's not in line with what the military does. And what we've built in terms of the strengthen the military and what's dangerous and all this is less than one percent of America. Serves in the military. So people who are commenting about what the military should. And should be what they shouldn't shouldn't think who they shouldn't shouldn't support. It's it's all I can say is it's dangerous because we built a very strong military over the last forty years, and it's coming under quite a bit of criticism from our president right now, which is unfortunate. So max general hurtling notes that President Trump likes us military as props? That's what he says critics over the last two weeks noted that may be true, except if it's raining and France, or if it's Veterans Day, and he doesn't want to go over to Arlington, or if there is a general who's been critical of him. It's interesting. He's very quick to throw the military under the bus with the first opportunity, and he likes the pastas. He loves mind military and the primary evidence for that. Is the fact that he signed off on higher defense budgets that really came from Republicans on Capitol Hill, but he's not gonna inconvenience themselves by going to war cemetery and France, if it's raining he didn't budge out of the White House on Veterans Day. And the worst thing that. You also by the way, not visited the troops in the field. I mean, he spent over four months of his presidency at more log on but at Bedminster, he has not spent one day visiting the troops in the field, which all previous presidents have done. But the worst thing he's done until the point that general Ling was making is politicizing the military with this crackpot deployment of troops to the border for no reason other than to serve as a political stunt, and I noticed today the army, so those troops would go go home. Even though the caravan has not actually reached the border, which underlines the fact that there was no military necessity for this deployment. And that is a very dangerous precedent using the troops for political purposes is interesting general because as we started this segment with we've noted the president seems to suggest he's got the full backing of the military says my military my generals, but he did backtrack on something today. And it was the fact that he did not visit Arlington on Veterans Day. He said he should have you almost never see the president. Did any mistake? He admitted a mistake in that case. And I do. You wonder if it's because he is starting to get some criticism from within this group of people who support he's perhaps taken for granted. That could possibly be true, John? But I also think it's an understanding that he's losing the trust incompetence of those who wear the uniform an interesting factor is you know, leadership is all about generating that trust. And that only comes when you say the right things do the right things and put yourself in harm's way. Certainly a president wouldn't do that. But the troops need to know that he is on their side. They need to know that they can trust him. And that he has an integrity and these continued incidents like this. I think are wearing away at that trust. You were seeing that in some of the polls taking within the military in terms of percentages, supporting Trump right now as opposed to when he was first elected in the differences that also all concerns me as well general martling as always we thank you for your time and your service max boot, thanks for being here as well. Appreciated next of Trump's Email problem. Yes. You heard that? Right. Vonk Trump using private E mail for official government. Business problem later, the White House backs down the legal clash was CNN over press access and calls for core. But he's the president listening. We've got a tweet to help you decide plus David Gergen and Carl Bernstein surround. Support for Anderson Cooper three sixty comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Let's talk about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home these days, it's causing a lot of anxiety with folks. 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Licensed in all fifty states and MLS consumeraccess dot org number thirty thirty. Breaking news. The president certainly has had plenty to say over the years about Hillary Clinton's emails and his fans still yell. Lock her up at rallies shows should be interesting to see what if anything he has to say about this. As it turns out, his daughter, Ivanka used her personal Email can't count for government business. The Washington Post was the first report this story tonight in Washington Post reporter, Josh dossey joins me now. So Josh exactly how many emails retort about here in what did Vonk Trump use for personal Email four, right? So what we're reporting Janis that she used a personal Email to Email White House aid cabinet officials other than the government about government business from her west wing office and from the administration and in those emails White House. We've you found that many of them were in violation of the federal records act which requires government business that we done on government emails. What time for we're talking about here? This is just before she officially entered the administration and then shortly after and after it goes into fall twenty seventeen the administration did a review last year in response to a number of freedom of information request for documents from the public and found that there had been a number of emails from vodka Trump sent from personal account about government business. Her lawyer Abbe goal was called in to do a review and to make sure everything was eventually folded. To a government account, which could be safeguarded than kept giving you kind of response from the White House about this yet the White House, the kind to comment they referred all questions, Abby all were outside while you're in our story. We included this comments who said it was rare that she did it was occasional. And that it was not like, oh, we Email us going lawyer was far less frequent and there was no server in our baseline. So we put it pretty extensive comments in the story tonight. From one of the similarities, though, is that her own personal lawyer was the one who was the initial Vetter vetted, those emails and decided what was turned over to the government. And what was not in? There will be there already have been comparisons between evolve Trump's emails and Hillary Clinton's the Clintons use personal Email. What are the differences here? Well, we have no proof. There was classified information sent from Ivanka Trump's Email, obviously with a reclassification. There was done on Hillary Clinton's afterwards. They determined that some of the documents could have been caused. I we think it was less frequent than ever Email. I use our understanding of situation John and that it eventually stopped when she was told to stop all that she stopped doing it. Now, obviously, we're still continuing to report it and figure out if there's more of a story. And if so we'll bring it to you. Of course, one of the things that I read in the article that you Roach is that people inside the White House were not just surprised about the volume of personal Email us. But also her initial explanation, which was what exactly people in the White House. Worse startled by the fact, she seemed to be the highest offender who it's at the most of emails and when they approach her about it. She simply expressed ignorance of the roles said that she did not know that all of them had to be dumb government, Email server, and basically that you did not realize she was so in the wrong. What surprised so many of the folks on the White House, John because obviously your father ran a campaign where Channing vodka up the Clintons. Use of a private Email was essential thematic issue of campaign. So it seemed us startling to people in the white outside. She would not have had more. Site to preserve our emails to a governments over its imagine. Anyone who lived through twenty sixteen being surprised by rule surrounding personal Email us for government work? Josh doc-. Thanks so much for the reporting. Appreciate you being with us. Thanks for having me with me now to former federal prosecutors CNN chief legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin and legal analyst and milgram. Jeff irony is dead. Is vodka on controlling legal trouble. I doubt it. But I mean because I think most people realize that government officials do use their private Email, occasionally, Hillary Clinton did it too. It is not fundamentally a big deal. The news media made it a big deal. Donald Trump made it a big deal. But this is not a. It's not it's technically not within the rules. But everybody in government. Does it? This is the problem. I mean, this is why Hillary Clinton got a very raw deal be legal. But in terms of irony off the chart. Oh my God. I mean, you know, I it's just and you know, and I feel personal responsibility for this as well. I spent a lot of time here CNN talking about Hillary Clinton's emails, and I think we talked about it too much. I think we made a bigger deal as than it should have. But it. Fundamentally is not that big a deal. It's not that big a deal for vodka. And it shouldn't have been that big a deal for Hillary. So anabolic Trump's attorney says that she did occasionally use for private Email for business and says that none of the emails contained classified information. Right. So so one of the things that came up a lot with secretary Clinton was where the emails classified, and it looks like a number of them turned out happening classified sheet. She actually and she didn't have knowledge at the time here the big concern too. Big concerns one is that you know, other Email servers can be hacked, you want all the government security that you can have. And so you want emails to be within the government server number one number two is just you know, really becomes a question. They're always freedom of information acts. There's a reason that they want to preserve all the presidential documents. And really at the end of the day, the government should control those emails and have access. They shouldn't have to go through someone's private lawyer. And the one thing I think I would disagree a little bit with on Jeff is that look it's part of being government people may do it. But it really. Is important. I think to use government emails and at the end of the day. You know, the thing that's stunning about. This to me is that there is incredible hypocrisy. She she knew that this was a huge issue and then to go and just disregard as though you're above the row is problematic the arrogance. The incredible arrogance is with a little measure of stupidity thinking that after watching this campaign, which she had a pretty good seat for and then not being scrupulous about your Email practices is pretty remark. She didn't know she didn't know the rules coming in after a year of a campaign. Incredible. I mean, you know, and having sat through all those campaign events with our father where all he talked about personal servers and personal emails. And so it's a big difference between her and Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton should've obviously also known the role. She was secretary of state, but we've lived through years of this conversation. And by the way, there earlier were similar reports about Jared Kushner, her husband doing some. Very similar. I think it just underlines what a phony issue. The Email issue was about Hillary Clinton. They knew it was bogus because they did the same thing. And they obviously don't think it's that big a deal. I mean, it just was a bogus issue or about Hillary Clinton. And I think they are acknowledging in a way that it's bogus for them. What do you think the the house oversight committee under democratic leadership might do with this issue? I mean, it's very possible. They would call her into testify or call others to testify. I think to Jeff's point. He's right. I'm sure people do she's not the only one to do it. But at the end of the day one of the questions, I have is why did it go on for so long point seventeen. If it were February the month after the inauguration. Okay. But for eight months is at eight eight nine months, it's it's a lot every math Jeffrey Toobin. Thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it may not be the last time. We have this discussion next the White House backs down, and it's clash with CNN over holding the president accountable. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. 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And now the White House is it's come up with new rules on decorum. When questioning the president speaking of decorum, the president certainly been busy lately on the old electric Twitter machine. Here's what he said about California. Congressman Adam Schiff ranking member of the house intelligence committee before I read it decorum requires a warning the president misspelled the congressman's name, and you could probably tell where this is going. I'm quoting now. So funny to see little Adam shit talking about the fact that acting attorney general Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate. But not mentioning the fact that Bob Muller who is highly conflicted was not approved by the Senate. Joining us now to men who've seen all kinds of behavior from all. Ends of presidents and seen it from inside and out investigative journalist and author Carl Bernstein and former White House senior adviser to four presidents, David Gergen, David I want to start with you. The president just last week said decorum was needed in the White House yet he doesn't appear to be very concerned with his own decorum regarding congressman shift does he. No, no loyalty does not run both ways with this president nor to rules of the game or views on decorum. I must say I think this has been a significant victory for CNN and for the country. It's it's we've now reinforced through the courts in through the White House backing down we reinforce this ain't the first amendment which was at what was critically at stake here. And we go back to work. Now, what we'd have to say John is a night of ironies, by the way on our new here is that this is a White House that has prides itself on how many regulations it has raced across the government now putting into place a set of regulations with the guard to the press. But it we'll have to see is. How are these regulations? In force. Are they really going to allow reporters to continue asking a follow up or not that's critical to the operations of free press yet no follow ups? It seems like a fairly draconian at a brief. Carl that would be Konia back to the issue of decorum here if this is how the president reacts the congressman Schiff before he takes over the house intelligence committee. What do you think we'll see from the president what shift has subpoena power? Well, first of all the whole question of the president's decorum on a daily basis in terms of traditional norms. The question answers it self what's much more important, and the least. Demonstrable area where we see the president day after day with no concern for decorum is the lying. Lying is not decorous to go back to the to the definition of decorum and lying is the opposite of decorum. And that's what all of these issues. Come back to this is a dangerous presidency. This is nothing to make light of. Yes, irony is dead and all the rest, but this is a dangerous presidency. It's dangerous to the truth. It's dangerous to the national security. It's dangerous to the western alliance. And that's what we keep learning is the danger of this president and what he does. And now the danger also about the rules don't apply to him. They don't apply to his family. They don't apply to his his daughter. We see one thing after another. But really lack of decorum comes back to questions of on. Sti, and that is where there is no decorum in this White House to follow up on that point, David. The president says our Carl Bernstein who's not president not yet at least. Much says it's nothing to make light of here in this case. How should Democrats handle it? Then what's the right way to handle it everything? From the sliding scale of the comments about Adam Schiff, all the way to avant. Trump's emails what are the risks of pitfalls for them? Major risk is that of overplaying their hands when a new congress voting from the out party. There's a tendency to want to push forward on all fronts all guns blazing take down the president. If you can was we saw far way Newt Gingrich coming into power in nineteen ninety four when the Republicans swept house, he overplayed his hand, and it really wound up nine DEM. She not only him, but the but the body itself, and this case was an Snead first and foremost to do in the next few days is demonstrate they can come together bridge their differences on this choice of speaker and on on who's going to be doing what within the house. So you have you in effect have people who merge as spokesman or unofficial spokesman for the party and can carry the fight or the corporation onto the airwaves and being speak credibly about things and. Crawl you've noted that you feel as if the president's acting like he's backed into a corner. Now, I think he is I think that the election returns were a real rejection of Donald Trump and his method and his line and the way he has done the business of the presidency. I think that is really how Republicans many of them. If you talked to them on the hill in private are interpreting the election. They are worried about going forward with this president in two thousand twenty in ways that they perhaps we're not before before the midterms, but it all comes back to this question of supporting a president who cannot come to a basic truth about his business, the country's business the business of the western alliance. We keep coming back to this notion that we don't have the best obtainable version of the truth except in our reporting. And that is why this lawsuit by CNN was so important. What has been held is the prerogatives of the press under the first amendment? Yes. The White House gets to make the rules if they're plied fairly and evenly. Let them promulgate rules if they are and reply them across the board in a fair manner. But we have seen nothing of the sort. We have seen a war on truth by this president. And that is what even today's events all of this about decorum all of this about vodka Trump. It's about the truth. She didn't know the rules. We keep coming back to it. And I will note that no one has agreed including CNN to the idea of rules that don't allow follow up questions at briefing. Right. We'll see what happens there. But that's not rule. Those aren't important. Journalists went agree to something David both of you sort of talked a little bit about Republicans here. I will know when it comes. To the issue of anwr William mcraven, which we talked about earlier in the show. Marco Rubio spoke out Paul Ryan spoke at I have seen Republicans step forward and say directly in some cases, that the president cross the line here in other cases, speaking out in support of mcraven. Do you think that Republicans if the president coach is the way the Carl's suggestion? He will we'll take a harder stand. David. I think the Republicans are now starting to distance themselves and increasing with increasing frequency from the president. They realized that he could become a liability in the next few months, especially when Muller comes down whether report and they're being they're beginning to speak for themselves as opposed to being held hostage by the White House. Which is what we've seen a lot of the first two years, and that's a healthy thing by and large for the Republican party. And I think I think are getting something fundamental about the importance of truth. We're going to learn tomorrow, for example, we should be hearing from the White House. It's what the president has finally decided about kashogi and the murder kashogi. And we'll see is he going to speak the truth about this or not so really important issue again, and again, and again, David Gergen Carl Bernstein, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it coming up after claiming multiple times that he was willing and eager to sit down for an interview in the Muller investigation. The president has changed his to now he says enough time has been in his words wasted on this does he have a point. Or is he rattled? Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. The president says he has completed his written answers to questions and special counsel Robert Muller's investigation that it wasn't a big deal. And that they will be submitted quote at some point very soon, as you know, the president sat down for an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News. But seems more unlikely than ever that he'll sit down for an interview with the Muller team. Your final position that there's going to be no sit down interview and nothing written or in person on obstruction. I would say probably probably I mean, I can change my mind. But probably I know I think we've wasted enough time on this witch hunt and the answer's probably finished what they. One hundred what we do is. We would I gave very many, sir. You're right and verse actually, we gave very very. Complete inches to a lot of questions that I shouldn't have even been asked. And I think that should solve the problem. I hope itself the problem if it doesn't, you know. You know, be told and we'll make a decision at that time. But probably this is the end, of course, this contradicts. The president has said many times in the past about his willingness to sit down for an interview with Muller. I would love to. We've done nothing wrong. Would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of one hundred percent? I would love to bake. I would love to go nothing. I wanna do or you didn't talk to moan. I'm looking forward to it actually standard. You would do it under. I would love to speak. I would love to nobody wants to speak for them me. If that my lawyers say never speak. President used to like to testify special counsel, Robert Muller. Thank. What would you say more likely to sit an interview now? My lawyers are working on that. I've always wanted to do an interview because look there's been no collusion. Just before airtime. I spoke with democrat congressman Jim Himes of Connecticut member of the house intelligence committee. So congressman after months and months of saying he'd be happy to sit down with the special counsel now on about face from the president says, he probably won't did you ever really believe that he wanted to believe that he wanted to whether he was ever going to be permitted to do. So is it totally different question. Look, my guess is that from the very beginning. The President Trump's lawyers were telling him that he had no business going in front of a special counsel. And hence, we are where we are. And you know, remember there's always been different versions of this. Bill Clinton, testified was basically deposed in front of a video camera. Now, we've got written questions, and we'll see where it goes. From here Kellyanne Conway claim today that the president's not afraid to sit down with Muller. He just doesn't believe it's necessary. Is that really true here? Do you think that it's important or would be important to hear what the president has to say? Well, what's important is that there is a mechanism for the? Special counsel to ask the president. Whatever question, the special counsel may have and that sort of an important constitutional principle that no person in the United States, including the president of the United States is above the law. So whether you do it the way Bill Clinton did it when he was being investigated, or however, you do it so long as the special counsel feels that he has had the opportunity to ask every single question. It is pertinent to the investigation. That's the important thing. So the president claimed contrary to reports that he had no idea that the acting general Matt Whitaker had said what he said on CNN among other places that he opposed the Muller in do you believe that the president had no idea that what have these opinions? I don't believe that for a second. I think the president demanded to know who he may get away with putting in that position that would be most inclined to share his view of this investigation. So look the president being dishonest is not a rare thing it's a daily if hourly thing, and so no, of course, I don't believe that at all. I think that this was this was not only was it done for the reason of keeping an option on eroding and remember you don't need to end the investigation Whitaker could simply cut the budget of investigation. And there's no question in my mind that the timing and orchestration of this acting attorney general was directed very specifically by the president to keep an option on eroding the investigation, if he wants to do that in theory, he could step in the way of indictments and step in the way of subpoenas. Which is why asked you if you've seen any evidence. We haven't seen any evidence of it yet. But in theory, he does have that power, which is why some Senate Democrats three. In fact, today filed a lawsuit declaring his appointment as attorney general unconstitutional saying that such an appointment requires Senate confirmation. Do you think they're lawsuit has any merit? Well, congress should stand up and say. Notwithstanding the litigation that will occur around the appointments clause of the constitution. And whether this is a principal officer, not to me, it's pretty clear that the attorney general is a principal officer and should be Senate confirmed. There's that. But the other thing here, of course, is that Whitaker is on record talking in an adverse way about this investigation. So whether or not the courts decide that he needs to be Senate confirmed it is very clear to me that given that he goes into this with an adverse opinion on this investigation. He should recuse himself right away. What percentage chance to you think there is that zero? Congress. Jim hines? Thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it. Thank you. John. So let's check in with Chris to see what he's working on for Cuomo prime time to the top of the hour, sir. Right question. J B, ha ha ha zero. Well, then why waste your time fighting that fight as Democrats. You gotta ask yourself about their tactics. Sometimes is that really the battle for them to have about Matthew Whitaker is really going to change anything or should. They wait see what happens between now when the molar probe is over and take action as they need to. I don't get it. I know it's amazing. I still believe the best book to be written about the president will be the luckiest man in the history of the game. Even the Democrats help them tonight. We're going to be looking at the truth about what happened with the hunt for Osama bin Laden, what it means that the president went after Admiral mcraven, and we're going to talk about the latest for Monica Lewinsky, and how much there was that. We didn't know see JP it's a really interesting documentary series that she's part of Chris. Thank you very much. We'll see in just a few minutes just as millions of Americans are getting ready for the annual thanksgiving travel adventure news of yet. Another troubling development of the federal air. Marshall program coming up a CNN investigation into more than two hundred cases of air marshal alleged misconduct involving mishaps with firearms. The wait is finally over capital. One's the match and eighteen hole duel between fourteen time major champion, Tiger Woods and five time. Major chip Phil Mickelson. It's winner. Take all nine billion dollars on the Friday after thanksgiving member twenty-third highly anticipated match will take place in Las Vegas at shadow creek, who'll take hold nine billion dollars. Tune in Friday after thanksgiving, November twenty third coverage begins at two pm eastern on Biard live and pay per view. The annual thanksgiving travel ordeal will soon be upon us in for the millions who will fly over the holiday. There's more troubling news about the federal air marshal programme CNN senior investigative correspondent drew Griffin has been looking into the program for a decade. Now tonight has a new exclusive report. These documents released to CNN through a freedom of information act request reveal more than two hundred cases of alleged misconduct by federal air marshals involving firearms. Men and women supposedly well training use their weapons in one of the most dangerous environments misplacing misfiring even accidentally and not so accidentally shooting themselves documents released to CNN include nineteen accidental discharges including an air marshal who caused a gunshot wound to his right foot. Another accidentally discharged his firearm in a hotel room hitting a television in the adjoining room. More than seventy cases of air marshals losing weapons three times. Air marshals have left their service weapons in an airplane's bathroom. They've left weapons in restrooms bars even a bed bath and beyond in New Jersey. At least thirteen cases alcohol was involved after releasing the documents the federal air marshal service invited CNN to the air marshal training academy outside Atlantic City, New jersey where new air marshalls are taught how to handle their weapons and top instructor. Daniel Cole admitted reports are embarrassed. We look at what was the underlying cause what happened where where if and when training fail how and why did it fail? How do we plug that gap? How do we fix goal has training here? It's hard to compare. If air marshalls are more or less dangerous with weapons than other law enforcement agencies because the number of air marshalls is classified but former air marshals tell CNN any mishap is unacceptable because their agents operated thirty four thousand feet. There's no backup. You have got to take care of business. And you gotta do it very quickly and efficiently. Henry Preston who spent ten years in the service says he observed a decline in weapons training and practice year-by-year inconsistencies said that could contribute to mistakes, they need additional training. There's no doubt no doubt about it. Oddly three of the apparent mishaps occurred during firearms training in one case and instructor allegedly through training bullets called simulation into an open flame. They exploded. And one staff member was struck in the face by flying debris problems are nothing. New to the controversial air marshal service CNN has previously. Boarded agents have continually complained about low morale low staffing, grueling hours two thousand twelve sleep study up tamed by CNN shows seventy five percent of domestic air marshals. We're flying while sleep deficient. That study found that lack of sleep puts them at greater incidence of serious errors. Critics question of air marshalls are even necessary last year, the department of homeland security's inspector general slam the air marshal service and said its contribution to aviation transportation security is questionable. How state professor John Mueller? Ni who studies the efficiencies of security measures says the nearly one billion dollar agency is almost worthless federal air Marshall, simply don't pass muster in terms of cost benefit analysis. They deliver about five cents or maybe ten cents benefit for every dollar. That's spent on them. Now, the revelation that at least two hundred cases where agents made dangerous. Stakes is yet another strike against the federal air marshals. So drew Griffin joins me. Now in true. It's not often you hear someone saying a law enforcement agency is worthless. I'm sure the TSA doesn't she just dissolve the air marshals program. Right. Yeah. John the TSA Senate a full statement pushing back on the idea that you should just get rid of the air marshalls. We still though have no evidence. This group has taken part in stopping any terrorist activity and the DHS inspector general did call the group's contribution to safety questionable. Which is one of the reasons some call it's for disbandment, but on the issue of gun, safety and training TSA says these reports cover twelve years representing less than one percent of the workforce. During that timeframe and says these misconduct reports are taken seriously investigated and dealt with quickly. The idea though, that these people have guns on airplanes, and they may not be the best train. That's pretty troubling. I agree. The TSA says they are trained, of course, to the highest standards. John. The problem is many air marshals that we've been talking. Going to disagree with that. And even the government accountability office reported in two thousand sixteen the TSA wasn't able to tell if it's air marshals were being trained properly. They couldn't even tell TSA does say that's all fixed. Now, that's all we can take them at their word. Right. Let's hope drew Griffin. Thanks so much for the reporting things, but the news continues. So we'll hand it over to Chris. Cuomo Cuomo prime time starts now. Are you ready to learn how to build a better consulting or professional services company than download the list dot I O show for the best sales and marketing advice, so you can deliver your services to the people who need you the most on the show all be interviewing the smartest people in the industry to share what they know about building a better consulting business. Pull also give you up where I tell you. Specifically how to sell your services with confidence and how to transform into an influential leader in your industry, your happy clients probably wanna help. 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