'Words of Wisdom'
Hello and welcome to a special edition of the stack. I had the pleasure to speak with the grandson of fashion legend, Diane of relent. He just added to the book on her words of Wisdom. I must read I would say we also speak with Margaret Brennan from CBS face, the nation one of the best Sunday morning political programs there is and finally I chat, Surf Journalism, and the rise of female surfing with Lauren Hill. From very housing London. This is the stack thirty minutes of print industry analysis and I. AM sitting in the worst by sheer coming up on the show with discuss surf journalism with Lauren Hill author of she surf the. Rise of surfing plus Margaret Brennan from CBS Face The Nation. But I. It's time to discuss Diana relent. The Fashion Legend and cornick former editor in chief of Vogue, and you book called Bomo Words of wisdom from the emperor's of fashion is out now published by reasonably. The is edited by Diana's grandson. Alexander relent with stunning `lustration by look. Edward Hall I spoke to Alexander how he was to grow up with such a magnificent grandma, and of course we go through some of Diana's most memorable phrases. Fashion is not just close. Is it now? Part of the daily air changes all. You've been even see the approaching of. Revolution in cloud she's. I think that she had a passion for creativity and a real belief in. Creating one's dreams and finding one's voice and finding one's life and building was life off of that. And those are such fundamental. Wonderful values that they seem to remain relevant and current. Through good times and bad times. Well, it is impressive. How current is when I've seen the documentary or even when I read some of the quotes I? She feels she's very much in tune. She doesn't seem that person did just look at no storage. In fact, one of the quotes is that she can't stand the storage, right. I I. I think that that's what's really fascinating with her legacy is it's sort of like a great photograph in a great photograph is ageless, and you look at it and you just sort of wonder. What this looks totally today. And then you realize it was photographed seventy years ago and I think it's the same thing. It's really true with my grandmother. She has a sort of timeless quality which which is wonderful. Tells Alexander the process of research for the book. Of course you are granted son but. Is it true that lot of those faint those quotes, actually she is to record some of them because she didn't send so many like notes or or Lattice, a assistant while who helped with some of the recordings, so tell us about this process of research. You know. I. I've found that. A lot of people would come and tell me that when they're going through a tough time, they would listen to the documentary on my grandmother or read some books and it would sort of. Recharge them refocused them in to help them get through difficult times, and so I realized that it was really her words that had tremendous power of putting things into perspective and into helping people to clarify. Refined within themselves were they were in their lives or put things back into focus in perspective, and so I, decided to do a book just of her quotes, and it's been quite a few years of work because I didn't have enough time to really dedicate myself until recently, but I really wanted to go through all of her archives. All of her letters, all of her recordings Oliver. Books offer memos and letters that I could find in through her years at vogue and her years at. Another files that. We have in the family to pull out of those small. Pieces that I thought were relevant, and I didn't WANNA. Make it all into two word logos as if I sort of making a t shirt collection I really wanted to have. Some short in some little bit longer than sort of had. Interesting Fun perspective, and then I called him down to about one hundred fifty, so that was the process. How can you remember her as a grandmother because? From what I know her, she looks incredibly fabulous. Amazing quotes, but what about? Perhaps it'd be morning private. was she the real and that? We all know from the outside? You know she was a very good grandmother I i. don't think there's a great mother, but I think she's a very good grandmother. And she was very involved in my brothers and my life. Nick and I were born in Switzerland, and she would come and visit US pretty much every year, and would spend five days to two weeks with US wherever my father was postings in American diplomat, and so we had a lot of time with them, and they were very generous. Negate US lots of presents and I think the since they were in new. York and we are in different. Countries were sending US gift boxes all the time of abundance. Reading playing with or wearing or so those are very generous grandmother when I was a child, and then as I got older, a very attentive, very interested in me, kind of person, which was really quite wonderful. When you're a teenager in your twenties, fact, someone who's listening to you and asking you questions and not try to tell you what to do with your life, but asking you about what are your passions? What are your interests? And what are the things that you'd like to listen to? Or what move is? You're enjoying and I feel that sort. Sort of the way she approached, life was very much sort of asking questions and finding out from young people what they were doing kept her young and connected and so I always felt that there was that kind of respect for my voice at an early age, which was really quite wonderful, so we were really very close for all of the years we were together. One thing that is quite inspirational about the think. He's also her curiosity. Mean one of the quotes that is in the book, but I remember also from the Documentaries Her Passion for surfing. Was I dunno wouldn't expect you know. Hold editor saying that, but said so much passion, and there's a beautiful quotes here on the books saying Surfie I. Do think that surfing would be the most beautiful thing the world to do. I could see the passion when she said that. That's just incredible. You know what's interesting. Is She had a very sort of a romanticized vision of life, and I think that one of the reason that she was such a successful editor was she would send these photographers off to these locations to shoot with the group of models and hair and makeup and wardrobe of clothes, and then she'd had one conversation with the stylist or the photographer is a famous recording of. Richard Alan when she sending him off to. Egypt and She just says to him think of a young Cleopatra and that was it. It's all that one little phrases. All the judges say to someone like Richard Avedon and the entire photo shoot was based upon that one concept, and so regardless of what Egypt looked like you know. That's the world that. Richard recreated was a young Beautiful Cleopatra, walking around in the sixties, and so I've always felt that that she has this ability to sort of inner own imagination. She sees things in a come to life through her conversations. And when you read some of the Courts as you can see, how extremely influential she's. Perhaps it's do is for example. I have a quota. Things Fantastic A. A little bad taste like a nice splash of Paprika and we all need to splash of bad taste. No taste is what I am against. So in some ways I do think Diana probably winning joy, some of the fashion senior received today because it seems to me that she was never going to be looking back should always kind of see what's new in coming out price. I I really think so. I think that she you know. She lived through the through the transition of the world from the fashion, only being world of couture onto a world of ready to wear. End Is never a quota I saying. Oh, it's so terrible now. These are accessible. Oh, it's terrible that. More people can wear these clothes or whatever, so she wasn't somebody who's better time trying to sort of. Real history back to the good old days I think that she was very much of an embrace or of what was happening I think you know in this times? She would be embracing what we're GONNA have next and I don't think we'll know what we're going to have next, but she would be. Open to it into it. And one thing I have to mention about the book or besides different tastic quotes. There's also beautiful restriction as well. I. I was very fortunate. I've been working with Sam Shaheed who the Art Director for by last two books, and Sam is a very important. Our director and he did the layout the typography in he suggested that I look up. Look Edward Hall who I had not known in has become a friend, a young British illustrator, who I really feel channels. Cook though because is, it's amazing. Strong lines at the jungle do us to have. And he came on board, and just really brought the book to life I think that his drawings just transformative, and and made the book much more. Fun Open, easy, spirited and his her. Like opens the whole thing up from where it could have been much more serious book. I think the drawings are just wonderful. And he he sees my grandmother spirit in drawings, and did a whole bunch of drawings of her. That are just. Imaginative a lovely Alexander sorry for the difficult question, but if you could choose one quota wouldn't say necessarily a favorite, but. that. Always stay in your mind and that it instant a book. I love the quote. Put her in the back cover. In. It says I believe you see the dream. I think we only lived through our dreams and imagination. That's the only reality we really ever know. And I think that that's really important. Because I think that this is a quality that she really brought into people's lives is the world of imagination, the world of dreams from the point of view. Creating yourself following your dreams. From the perspective of Being really creative and successful in a creative field by going inside and finding you know, what are your own visions and how you can? Listen to them and I think it. Sort of has served transformative quality that it comes from within which I think is wonderful. I think to just a little bites out of the fashion world is. Starvation Diet sound. Rather keep right out. I need ice cream Guy Goldeneye. Look terrible born feel fine. All might to meet Bang in as. Many as. ZANDER ruined bowmore. Words of wisdom from the empress of fashion is out now. And now to the world of TV Sunday morning, television political programs are staple of US broadcasting CBS face. The Nation is one of the most storage of this programs. It beauty in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty four Margaret. Brennan is the shows current moderator a post she has held since two thousand eighteen during the coronavirus outbreak in the US viewing figures have soared, and it's coverage has brought in new audiences. Our US election correspondent Thomas Lewis spoke to Margaret Brennan for the June issue of Monaco and he began by asking her when the coronavirus outbreak had I come to her attention. We first started I mean I'd have to check the exact dates, but we've. We first started talking covering in January when than still very mysterious virus was hitting, China surged dramatically in that stood out to me at the time, just knowing the second largest economy in the world. It is a huge you. Strategic. Factor in terms of you know how they're doing will impact how we fair as well and. My background covering. Global Economics and foreign policy made it stand out to me, but I don't think any of us had any sense of what would become here in the United States that it would be this unprecedented event. That would literally completely changed the way. We're living in this country. Certainly, the way I approach things as I try to see how those dots can act and to me going into a presidential election year when the present united. States is running on a strong economy as at that point, his greatest selling point the greatest. Geopolitical and economic private to the United States suddenly being brought to its knees in crippled, because of a virus, seemed blatantly obvious to me was a huge story because it could impact us back in the United States I was looking at it from a arrival geopolitical rivalry, an economic point of view at that point I think all of us believed the health experts in the guidance that was being provided, which was that this wasn't something host, a direct threat to Americans health and wellbeing. In an obvious way, and then the health experts were kind of overcome by circumstance and information and now. Now, point back to imperfect data coming out from China that really kind of obscured exactly how transmissible virus was so in hindsight of these things you know seem obvious, but at the time as we were going through them. We were living through this huge change. You know I. Feel like the Earth. Come off! It's access a little bit in and we were just. chronicling that happening. But. Those were sort of some of the threads that we had started pulling following that brought us to where we are right now, and and that's kind of how we've covered that through the crisis is. Telling people what we're seeing coming, telling people. Why it is important, not necessarily getting caught up in the politics of it, the partisanship of it rather particularly in this moment, when people are are worried about their own health and wellbeing, trying to get to information people need to know. From your vantage point, how do you characterize the way messages from the White House? have been throughout this and then I suppose the following question would be you know how review it's at the program. Counter, that shed light on on it. Will look I think this crisis has three of hit us at the seams of our society at the weakest hearts of our society, exploiting almost every single one of those weeks seems if it's A. Socioeconomic separations between if the partisanship if it's the distrust of authority and those who are in those positions of authority in the information and expertise they convey. Congress was media. You know it's this. All out assault. On that connective tissue the seems is I'm saying at once. That has just shown US serve the most extreme version of the problem that is being described with our political paralysis in this country it's. Getting back to for us at least in the small segment that we hold onto journalists where we are supposed to be there to help, keep the electorate informed. Trust in the information, conveying is central I. Mean Your Integrity in the trustee permission. You're conveying. It is everything and in a moment of crisis. It becomes just that much more valuable to people as I think. Everyone in a position of authority, certainly I feel that responsibility producers on the shows due to. Which is you've you've got to be? As well read as well researched as up to date, and as clear as you can be explaining to people and walking them through what is happening in y. you know not just describing the problem, but trying to get a decision makers policy. Were looking for solutions to the problem. Stumbling were choosing to do in our space on our our on Sundays to try to take the politics out of it. And, so it people aren't receiving it things while not receiving the information they need when there is, you know a food fight in the middle of it, and that's unfortunately I think where a lot of these briefings and up gray is very uncomfortable for people and those gray areas are often where the truth actually is. You'll viewing numbers are the highest. For some time you see new. Come into the program and all that sort of a people who may be having engaged with the the strand, which is one of those stories in the US broadcasting. The haven't really engaged them before. Think who's WHO's cheating into United maybe more flavor. What some of those interactions Yukos have been like? Now, we've Really been struck by that because I think he gets. It confirms what what our instincts were certainly. Mind seek might. Executive Producers Instinct Mary Hager has been tremendous in bringing us back to that core. What do people need to know question each week and I think that is what we're seeing reflected, which is, there is a hunger for facts. There is a hunger for reality checks. People don't WanNa be spun right now. They don't want to be engaged in. Some of I. Think what has passed for political. Conversations in this country went which are not so much based on on what matters people at their, very. Human level I mean, we are literally talking about. Kitchen table economics and people's life and death. And by the way their own wellbeing. It is the essence of. How we function in our societies and. The the political bodies that we make up as a result of it and I think were testing the limits of our. Of our political systems in our institutions right now, this is really the ultimate stress test of American democracy CBS face the nation moderator Margaret Brennan Speaking to Monaco stomas Lewis, and you can read Margaret's insights into broadcasting throughout the pandemic in the June issue of Monaco magazine, which is available now. And now it's time to serve of always been fascinated by surfing. Even though I'm not very good at it. It's one of the most beautiful sports there is. It brings me Peace Diana relent with spoke Hawaii. Go here in the stack would agree with me. Here is a clip of her talking about her love for surfing. But, you're not really only the NBA one thing and that is. I think it's the most beautiful thing. I didn't waters. God's tranquilize to be in it. Drink it to look at it. And Debris Yourself Oh between the sky, and the water was to me the most wonderful Saudi I just a naked. Also skateboards. I. Think in Great Great. That was in a Freeland, telling us how much she loves Surfing Well Talking About Surfing I had the pleasure to speak with professional surfer and writer lowering L. Hill, who just published a book of cotton called She Surf The rise of female surfing. We spoke about served journalism, and how women have alone history in the world of surfing. Let's hear it I've dedicated Gosh last twenty years, or so to making and living surfing life, and it's been fascinating to see it really ripple out, and to see more and more people taking up surfing around the world, and and amongst those people more and more women in. In, really unexpected parts of the world in places like India and the Gaza Strip and Sri Lanka and Indonesia, and yeah that sort of an easy sag into my book, which highlights a lot of those women, and and the ways that they're really shaping their cultures in their communities and redefining femininity and womanhood in some ways within their own communities. What a livable! The of course you profile female surfers today endeavor good, but also there's a little bit of history I didn't know for example. The surfing princess is you know so. There's a Lo- long history that when it comes to female surfing right. Yeah. There really is, and you know. One of the one of the sort of downfalls of surf culture right now is that there really aren't many outlets for women surfing culture to live? We haven't really seen so-called Men Surf Magazines Integrate Women Surfing into into their media depictions, so wholeheartedly I would say, and so it's difficult I. Think a lot of women don't feel a connection or don't have. have an understanding of the long and abundant history of water women, and so that was something I really wanted to make a point of writing in sharing and doing the proper research for in my book just to make sure there was a constant place a place that wasn't gonNA. Get buried in the ephemera of the Internet for women to yeah touch base with their history as water people. Just coming back before we talk more about the book coming about your career, your professional, but you also a writer so when you were writing for you know surf magazines, or or when you're right about serve. Did you notice that it was very may focus that industry? Yeah I guess it really started from when I was a great at myself I grew up on a barrier island just off the coast of Florida. And I had a dream about surfing, and I knew the next day I had to try had to start surfing. I convinced a friend, a young guy who is my age. Push me into waves and he did, and he was amazing, and then as I grew into my surfing life, I was the only girl around really, and I had a little boys that I hung out with, and that was fine until we started getting a little bit. And we started engaging with surf brands and surf media. And I noticed how. Women were just treated differently in the surf space, often with a very object defying and sexualize approach especially within surf media at that time through two thousand. And, so it made me feel really insecure as a young girl that my guy friends were just you know part of the boy pack, and I was different as I was growing breasts maturing, and and that was really uncomfortable. At the same time mean it was very happy to find out a new book that actually last year now the elites, professionals men and women are paid the same, probably surfing's but that's that's quite a major for step, right. It is. It's a major step, and it's It's a benchmark you know. It's an aspiration for olive surf, culture and other sports as well to to aspire too I think there's a lot of work to do in reforming cultural attitudes, but I think that will come, and I think the wwl should definitely be applauded for making that stand and asserting equality as a priority in our sport. What unlivable two complete guide there was a lovely story about how women have also been involved with surfboard design, so it's not just a beautiful you. Images female surfers, but also you know there's the behind the scenes you know, so. They're also actually working the appropriate street. That was a great story. I have to say if you could tell us a bit more involved. Thank you. Yeah. That was something I was really proud to include in the book, because that's something that really comes from my intimate knowledge and experience within the Surf Industry, being able to tease out these little threads that. Women are aren't often thought of as having engaged with the design and shaping of Surf Crafts, but there there still is a rich history dating back to Joey Hamasaki in in the fifties and sixties, and then share Pin Davis. Who is a great surfboard shaper in artists from the sixties right to today? She's still shaping and there's there's a legacy that women should be proud of, and there's no reason why women shouldn't be in shaping base today and I think come. Yeah, it's it's growing section of surfboard designed to see women getting involved in getting their hands dirty in the shaping bay. And but by the way I used to surfing everyday where where you are, I'm sure it's the situation is much freer now in Australia yeah, we've been so fortunate here and our beaches have been open all through the lockdown and we've been able to surf everyday which has been. Incredible and also I can't imagine having been the other way in his trailer, because Ustralian, fundamentally beach people. That's one of the reasons why I love living here so much. In the book you mentioned some of the best places to serve in everything, but do you have a favorite place? Perhaps a bit closer to your heart I mean you mentioned under some places that you need to the Maldives or many others? Yeah there. They're places that I've been to spend. And made friends and served incredible way, so they all have you know personnel flavor for me, but one of my favorite trips was to the Seychelles just It's still quite a pristine wild place in surf. Culture really isn't taking there yet, so it felt like you know surf. Explorers must have felt in the many decades before there were guidebooks certainly before there was the internet to check every aspect of direction and surf camps, and all that, so it was really the kind of place where you get to go, and you just have to be sensitive. Pay attention to what the wind and solar doing and follow your nose. And sometimes you win, and sometimes he don't, and that's kind of the beauty of the adventure. There was lowering L. Hill her book she surf. The rise of female surfing is out now. That's it for this week's show. Tanks is always tour, editor or a whole. If you have any comments or queries right to me, financial at F. B. and Monaco, DOT COM and remember. We're back next Saturday at the same time, of course you can always listen to it again. AND MONACO DOT COM, or subscribe to the show and Apple, podcast, spotify and Soundcloud, and don't forget. Of course you can always subscribe to. As well on our website, and to end the show and continue the servive. This is the classic song by the Sandos theme from this summer. The Iconic Sixties surfing documentary. You've been listening to the stack. I'm used to share and to next time it's goodbye from.