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And then I'm going to randomly pick another page. Eight Louis, the one he was in with Sandra Bullock. The catchphrase was. You are. He never gets tired of hearing it never gets tired of hearing it. Would you ten? Possess confess. To give game Gilbert, and Frank's amazing colossal obsessions. Every Thursday, only Stitcher premium. This is Robert Wagner, and you're listening to Gilbert, Godfrey's amazing colossal podcast. And these guys. Hi. This is Gilbert, Gottfried, niche, Gilbert, Godfrey amazing colossal, pod cash, with by co-hosts. Frank Santo Padre. An RN engineer Frankford Orosa? We're doing something a little different this week. Instead of our usual solo guest, we've assembled crack panel of experts to discuss one of our favorites objects on this show, the March brothers, Josh Frank is a writer, producer director and composer, boost short screenplays and plays, including an authorize adaptation of Werner, our sobs throws close, folks. June there. St why. He's the all her of the books fool a world. The oral history of a band called the peak sees and in heaven. Everything is fine. The unsolved life of Peter either's and the lost his degree of new wave theatre. He's newest passion project Easter ranch on horseback salad, Salvador Dali the mocks brothers and greatest movie. Never made that graphic novelist sation of the legendary proposed screen collaboration, but tween the markses and Salvador Dali. Rabbit is spader. Makes his second appearance on the podcast. He's a historian writer in Brindisi, sir, that documentaries thick cabinets Viet nam the legendary bean Crosby, the dawn of sound how movies learn to talk. And you bet your life, the lost episode he's old. So the editor of Groucho Marx and other short stories and told tales and then exclusively research, both exhaustively. Research. At continues doing fresh Franken me gore. Out the three musketeers the marks brothers on stage. And finally, on the phone with us from California, Bill marks as alleged of fiving person to have worked with route Joe Harpo, end Jayco. He's had Juilliard drain musician and composer, whose written and composed numerous works for concerts, films and television theater and ballet and British and range and breath on down to memorable albums with his dad. His memoir is all son of our pro speaks and it's a terrific read. Welcome by but we can all go home now. Yes. No. Whatever you said about me. I'm so tired. I gotta go. Are you Bill? Hey, thanks for doing this. My extreme pleasure so far. Yeah. Do you know these to these two scofflaws that are sitting here with us, Josh Robert? Yep. I know them and I that's as far as I'm gonna take with this. I'm not going to say anything. More. Vote count. Now Gilbert, and I were looking at, at, at giraffes on horseback salad. And by the way, Josh, a nice guest who brought gifts you know, very rare. Eight he brought us a poster of the nonexistent movie dementia and t shirt or then nonex- his now visit, you know, growing up. I remember we'd old hear these horror stories about someone who dropped acid, and they had such a bad trip. They either jumped off a bridge or wound up spending the rest of the life in an insane asylum. That's what this book looks like TIMMY. Well, that's the whole idea. Now you don't have to do those other. See this is a gift, you know. Where he was looking at it before and he was saying it was the key. It's like the kind of movie that in the sixties, people would use as an excuse to get high. Yeah. Like you go see Fantasia and yellow submarine. You first you get stoned, and then see those, and this would be definitely if it existed nowadays, people would get stoned, and they'd be mobs of people wanting to watch wait until you lick page thirty four. Yes, tell us the Genesis Josh. I mean this this, this thing, everybody every Marx brothers fan knows about this, this long lost project, and we say laws, long-lost movie because there was no movie. And there was really. No screenplay. Right. Well, I actually didn't. I've been a fan of the Marx brothers since I was seven eight years old. And, and I've been studying lost pop culture histories for twenty years now. And I actually didn't know about this, until really the last seven or eight years. I heard mention of it at one point, just in passing that Dolly had attempted to write something, but it really wasn't until about six years ago. When I decided that I really wanted my next book to be. Taking a lost or unmade movie by someone or some group of people that I admired, and trying to uncover what was left to work with and try and finish their work. I really felt that that'd be something really interesting and cool to do, so after I finished my third book, I started scouring the, the internet for for, you know, all of those lists of, you know, the hundred you know, great character roles that no one ever got to see or, or the fifty best unmade movies. And there is a ton of these lists of unmade movies, and on all of them, along with Verner Herzog. That's how you pronounce it. It's not very. Men, along with Herzog's. He wanted to make this like a Spanish Mexican civil war epic. And then Kubrick's, Napoleon, Kubrick's Napoleon was on all the list, of course, dune. Sure, and on pretty much all the lists was Salvador Dali giraffes on horseback salad. And it was really the first time that I saw that this was legit like this was not just sort of silly myth or this like people were talking about this. And there was even a couple sentences about things that Dolly had wanted to have happen in it. And they were nuts, like, you know, like like Harpo cracking a nut on a midget, and then handing it to Groucho you'll Gill. Yeah. I'm graduating the nut and spits it back in them in the home in, in, in the. Anyway, monkeys. I've just really crazy stuff. So but I was intrigued, you know because. I, I never one just to believe that what I'm seeing in front of me is all that there is like, if there's something about something, there's probably more about that something somewhere. If you look hard enough, and so I sort of, and then at the same time in my head, there, is that sort of delusions of grandeur thing coming on, which is like, I could make the next Mark. You know. Like I could be that guy and you're going to insert little person recent midgets, knowing, boy, cog. The wrong show, buddy. Dahlie, specifically use the word midget, or you go let I'm quoting deli. But so the point was is that that's sort of where the, the spark of maybe I could do something with this started. And then the more I dug and the more, I reached out to the Dalai foundation, who sent me to, you know, this us reached out to them. Did you say Hello, Dolly? She's been hanging onto that, since you were booked one. Surprisingly, the only rain show, we booked shoe, type it sitting on that joke for years. Could fucking leave. It's all downhill from here. Then. Surprisingly, the Dalai foundation. Go ahead. Happy. Josh yes, go ahead. Go ahead. Bill furnishing referencing the midget, I just want you to know dad got off. He got a very, very good attorney and got off. You didn't have to go to jail. Bill. Before it before Josh tells us about his journey of, of, of making this thing happen. Give us a little historical context. When, when did you become aware of this project this mystery script about twenty minutes ago? Act win Frank called. I would I would say, maybe I met Josh last year, and he informed me of this absurdity, and I, you know, I wish them well, and low would I know but it is one of the most remarkable unusual hardcover comic books you'll ever read in your life. Yeah. You really did. Because in, in the fashion that it is presented its unique. And let's face it. We're talking about Dolly and the Marx brothers. Both entities were absolutely unique. And I it was a great choice. It's a it's a marvelous, what I would call icebreaker at a dinner party to give us even more historical context. Tell us a little, and I'm going to come back to Josh on this journey, but tell us a little bit about your dad's relationship with Dolly, well, I'd, I'd rather listen to Josh quite frankly. Riveted tell them about your mom and her interact with values because I love this Harpo wife was the most realistic person about this because I think she thought the whole thing was a load of nonsense I should be she told me that it was a lot of non we'd like to hear what happened to the harp. Yes. Bill the harp. He said, well, for those of you who are not familiar with lost screenplays, or books, or whatever Robert had the distinct, I'm going to say, pleasure of coal, riding my mother's biography. And so he spent a considerable amount of time with Susan. Who was not exactly the most sentimental person an entire world. Probably more interesting than all the marks for this put together, she carved out a life of her own in spite of the fact that she she was shuttled as a child from place to place to place to place and never had any friends of our own. And while she was young until she met Paulette Goddard when she was sixteen or something Ned wave earns dance class, and then they both went onto the zinc fuel follies, and then mom went into Columbia and Paramount Pictures. And she hated show business from the timer mother put her in show business. She couldn't she couldn't wait to get out, but she, there was no place for an attorney except toward her mother, who was basic. Weekly stage mom who vicariously wanted to experience success through her daughter? And when she finally Susan Fleming, finally met Harpo and they got married. She became MRs Harpo, Marx, it totally different entity, and she lived on and on, and on for this man. And I if they were alive today they would still be married he died on their twenty eighth. Wedding anniversary that day on September twenty eight and so twenty eight and and. And, and it's multiple multiplied. And into Infinity will always be very special number for them marks family. She she could give an opinion on absolutely everything that ever happened on the planet. And she had strong opinions about, Dolly is that is that what you're, you're referencing Robert? She I asked her specifically about the time with daily visited them, and there was a language barrier, but she said they spoke with their eyes. But Bill, tell them about when the gift arrived in just the reaction to because I think it's I think it's really practical of Susan which he. Well, you tell them. Yeah. As a picture of it in Joshua's book. Oh, one day at the door arrived, a huge package with from Salvador Dali, and they opened it and low and behold, it was a harp and the harp was a different kind of harp that you would normally see it. It's its frame. It was the same, but frame was covered with the silverware it was all pasted on and it, and it was cellophane over the entire frame. And then for the strings instead, they were barbed wire that was constructed for the heart. And this was Dali's present to dad with this weird looking object sat in our, our. Living room, I guess, for maybe five or six months and then when day Susan says, I can't stand this thing. This is awful. Who would ever want anything like that? And she went and she took it to the garbage and we have no no idea whether that garbage men is where two hundred and sixty million dollars. Gilbert said what it would be worth today. There's a great picture of it in Josh's book, where he posed for a mock fo a gag photo. Righty bandaged up his hands. Yeah. Yeah. He. Dahlie, they had a correspondence before Dolly came over to paint him, and Dahlie sent the harp and then Harper wrote back with the photograph of him with his hands all bandaged up and, and he wrote, you know, you know, thanks. Thanks for the harp. And if you ever come this way, I'd be happy to be smeared by you as long as I could return the favor. So he's basically saying if you come to America, we can paint each other easy to say, oh, what would that be worth it? If you knew Susan it was just a harped in the one could play. Right. Hell, do we need it for? She was really proud. No. Radical practical right in right free since. Right. Boy. Oh, boy, your great, great, great grandparents. Could. I mean, your great great, great grandkids could probably retire on what that Harper would go for. Well, I, I love about about Roberts and experience with Susan. That it, it was the way she told that she never told it to me, he had a very, very close relationship with her for years. So I worked on the book for a couple of years that I spent a couple of weeks with her in Rancho Mirage, and then we corresponded lot night visited again, but we we've talked on the phone. We wrote letters and things and she was just really great about it. But what I noticed is she didn't wanna finish the book. She wanted to keep working on the book sweeter by that why we never finished. Yeah. I'll tell you, I'll tell you I did try to get her to talk about the Dalai visit and the play. And this is not something you'd put on the jacket for a blurb, because I asked her what she thought of it, and she said an absolute piece of crap in a waste of time. I actually put that in the book you did in there. That's right. That's right. See this is one of those that if the movie had been made are, you know, I, I know would be beyond horrible, but I wish to God it had been made. Yeah. Fat, would it would have been absolutely fascinating. Well, the key thing is chicken would have needed the money so he would have been on how -solutely. One Janice crowd show. Why this movie's should have been made? Okay, I'm gonna being Groucho didn't actually want. He actually had a pretty rough response to it too. He said he said, it's not funny. It wouldn't play wouldn't play like Gilbert, if you were Groucho, and I was to ask you, why didn't the Dalai movie get made very Schuco newsroom on as my father would say she whenever she started the sentence that she was rather negative. The first two words it came out of her mouth. Oh, christ. That was the she oak Christ, if it's no good old Christ is this, and that the, those were two favorite words. One of the greatest things about talking to Susan was her complete recanted assessments of the Marx brothers. So it was really incredible. Because when my Groucho book came out I sent the copy to her back in ninety three when it came out. And when I was talking to her, I didn't ask her what she thought of it or anything she said, I really liked your book. I like it better than I like Groucho. I was I was re Bill, I was reading your book, and you said that, that she was one of the women that would not put up with Groucho insults, right? Yeah. And she was at least in my lifetime was the one woman that he respected and dearly loved. He he, he really loves her. I think partly because he knew how good she was through his brother, Groucho would say an interviews that Harpo all the good qualities that the March for this mother many had were in Harpo he inherited all of her. Good qualities. Well, I would like to kick the bucket knowing that I had no enemies. That's really basically, my, my hope and belief that I'm gonna I'm gonna work on that as MRs I 'cause dad died without an enemy. It's not a very easy thing to do. And I, I'm trying to emulate him very poorly. I might let's nice Bill. There's a great line in your book, by the way. But I think it was been attributed to Ben Hecht, who said, the Harpo could light up a room St. simply by setting in it, which is which was interval thing. I know paraphrase some higher. Realm of show business. You could not find anyone with an unkind word to say, f Harpo. Yeah, what a lovely thing. I've never found anybody with an unkind word to say about Bill, except the three of us here. Yeah Gilbert, we'll, we'll have that same reputation for you. Let me let me just ask myself, let me get back to Josh's book for a second. So did Josh you. You also you imagined. You imagine it of a certain period, you were as long as you were taking this sort of what if Reid you imagined that it wasn't just made by the Marx brothers, but was made under Thalberg. Yeah. Well in order to pull it off. I felt it was really important to focus on authenticity and make some rules, and that I should stick, by the rules, otherwise it would be a big mess. So the big the first rule was that it was nineteen thirty seven and this was actually being made then wasn't being made ten years later wasn't. It was being made win. It would have been made. Nine hundred thirty seven the other role was MGM would have never green lit it in a million years, had Thalberg. You know, not been there, and unfortunately, he wasn't he had passed away or so. I- resurrected Thalberg. And so that he could green light it because what really happened is Harpo. Oh, managed to get a meeting a meeting with Louis b Mayer. Yes and mayor didn't feel very kindly. There wasn't a big March purse PS, one of the little known things is that the Marx brothers weren't actually signed to MGM mayor didn't want them. They had a contract with thal Berg to work at MGM in what was then like the thal Berg production unit and the reason the Marx brothers, really left MGM after day at the races, because they had a clause in the contract that if fallbrook was unavailable for thirty days or something they could terminate the contract. Well he was dead. So he was unavailable for thirty days. They are the actually re-signed with MGM people say, so the they got loaned out, or they went overkill for one picturing came back. They made a totally separate deal at our k over three pictures only ended up making one because room service didn't do that. Well, and then mayor got nervous when they signed with our KO for big money, and he signed him to three picture deal before room service, even came out, but thal Berg was the reason they were there when Faubourg was gone. They were gone. Did I step on you too much? I wanted you to take it away because I didn't know what the hell I was gonna say. Next in order here, not make. Why here not make the you know, that history, I also found it interesting that you were a little sad that you couldn't use EPO. You were you were you were being faithful to the period, s and pusher. Zippo fan. I think all of us are. And actually, at the last minute there is like five days left before the, the book had to be. Frozen in time. And I said, I'm outings, EPO in, and I'm adding a reference to MRs Rittenhouse in, because I was like, oh my God, there's no reference, and there's no. And, and the thing is, is that in theory this, the idea of this movie is that this is a prequel to all the Marx brothers movie. So in theory, this is like this is my George Lucas going back, you know, thing, so because I wanted to have a clean fresh start. I didn't want there to be these others. This is the first story and I figured that would actually help because I it would make it okay for me to put in some references to some of their other movies without it being me stealing from those movies, because really those movies were stealing from me. You know, because this happened before those it. That'll hold up in court. My loving, take and Harpo is playing like a Spanish, that's what throws you right away. It's not Harpo Harpo playing Harpo character. Please. Don't ask me about this part. I have no idea what I did. You're waiting to see Harpo and in a week in a beeping the horn and the big coat. And instead he's like a Spanish diplomat. Well, he's not technically Harpo at first, this is an origin. This is the order. This is the origin story of how Harpo became Harpo and how the surrealist woman became this, the first surrealist superhero, this is a graphic novel, so you have to have origins store absolutely in in. Sorry. Bill. The, the book is masterfully of an artfully done by some ladies correct. Manuela, partake in Barcelona Spain. She really captures Dolly. She's certainly does. And the same thing can be said for lay out of Roberts, most recent Duboc of it right in front of me. For the three musketeers. It is a phenomenal book. It is, if you're Marx brothers fan, and even if you're not I've read it twice before we jump off on this as long as we've got Bill on the phone, and we brought zippo up. Yeah. And we'll come back to the we'll come back to the various books, but, but Bill Gilbert, and I, and I assume the two gentlemen, sitting here with us are of the opinion that, that the Marx brothers, pictures are better with zippo in them. And I would love your take. I think people would be interested to hear. When okay versus. That the Mark March for Paramount Pictures were funnier straight through they were really kind of more the Marx brothers, and when they went over to MGM fell Berg saw them as headliners that they should have been, and he made motion pictures were intermittently they were absolutely hilarious. They brought in a love interest long within in a more complete of fun for the whole family type of concept for them. My I, I still think that probably night at the opera is the best picture that they made it's not my favorite my favorite in and hold onto your hats. I know what you're gonna say. What go ahead? You're going to say your favorite picture is go west. Yes. But we forgive you. That. I think I think I want to hang up on you. I'm sorry. Oh, well. Hypica- reasons. It is it was my favorite picture because the brothers didn't wanna do it. And they, they went ahead and did it anyway. And you could tell grout shows energy wasn't there. And chick is, is energy was long gone by, then I feel that dad carried that picture. And he was so wonderful in it. And maybe that's just because I'm son and, and I, I look for little things at the dinner table, or when he's practicing the heart, but when he's playing the harp I looked at a at him in that picture is pure, dad. I didn't see him as our sweet. And, and that's why it's my favorite picture, but far away, not as good as others Bill, that it's a wonderful Harpo picture stuff. Did in this stage were four in really is the best stuff in the film that opening sequence in the station is really it's incredible March brothers and it's rarely seen things with the three of them together doing something really funny, and that you don't see much of that. But I don't really watch go west the same way that I watched say monkey business, I know, Josh's, great movie. Yeah. I love that Harpo steals the show. A lot of monkey still I, I mean, I think most, I believe, and I think most people that their ultimate the peak was duck soup. I love duck soup. But I'm a monkey business guy funny. I'm a horse feathers guy horse feathers, this, this love horse feathers. Give it. One, I saw any given day. I could say duck soup is my favorite. Right. Right. Wow. I wake up in the morning. It's which one is my favorite paramount. They'll tell us about being on the set of love happy when you were a kid, what, what memories, do you have I was eleven and a half years old. And dad was having a tough time in the movie with the producer and it was not supposed to be a March for the picture. Well, it turned out to be much further picture in the produce producer had been lying all along. It was to be just a picture. The featuring dead. And anyway, he it was one of the more sour experiences in his professional career, but he went ahead and he did this movie as as the the lead and he it was not. The dad that I knew right at that time. I've I resurrected his image. When I went to Great Britain after the movie was completed. We did it vaudeville tour. We're chico. But he there, there was a moment in my time, which I will not forget, and that is I went onto the set one day and during a break, I said here, dad look at what I just made in school. I had been forced to paints or something or draw something, and I draw pastel of Palomino horse, and I was so proud of myself, and it wasn't very good. I guess I don't know. But I showed it to dad, and he said, that's the most wonderful picture. It's just fabulous. And, and you keep up the good work. Well, of course, I could hardly draw a straight line. But nevertheless, he he gave me that kind of encouragement all along that I really wish that parents would give their children and, and give them purpose. Give them a feeling of importance and a passion for doing something that they love. And that's what we had with music, dad. We. He was the most passionate man when it came to sitting down and discovering himself. He was a guy who. Wouldn't have known shush to Cova is from Frank Sinatra, but he paid attention over the years. And listen to all kinds of music, and he learned how to play things that many harpists couldn't play and he never read Onoda music. So we had. Fun time together developing a way for them to learn new songs. He was. I, I just wish parents would encourage their children the way he encouraged me. I mean I, he, he had confidence in me that I didn't have, but he kept routing me softly. And I wound up being part of his, his professional life for twelve years. Thing I'd like to just point that about your Harpo that I learned from Groucho daughter Miriam. Yeah. Things weren't always so wonderful at Groucho house, when she was a teenager, and she used to escape and run over to Harpo spouse to be around them because she just wanted to be around him. And Susan always said, why don't you stay for dinner at? They just gave her that haven way life at Harper has been like a dream. I mean there's something surreal about that. What kid wouldn't want to be there? I said great picture in your book, Bill. I guess is from Christmas with you and your siblings, and it's just the picture of the picture of happiness, and it might have been taken April because the Christmas, tree state up like. Yeah. Did stay up a long time and we had lights outside and Jack Aranda Trie and one year it was Christmas lights and one year after Christmas. Dad says, let's keep them on all your around, so we don't have to, you know, do this again next year. And, and he decided that at the end of particular day that somebody might have done something really well in school, or whatever we would turn the lights on that night to celebrate minis, I know of paper on horses and Jimmy's of ability to do something, and Alex is the same. And, and so we used those lights to great advantage. That's that's one tree that never came down. After Christmas with lovely so other than the ability to speak. It seems like Harpo really was that character on screen and off. You could say an an effect I think I just heard you say. Bill, bill. Tillerson's Gilbert brought up the, the not speaking in Robert. It's in your book. Tell us about dad, turning down a significant sum of money when he was offered to say one word. Oh, oh, that's a night in Casablanca David Lowe, wanted Harpo to say the word murder, and well, I could tell it either one of you. He's his answer was not gonna tear down something. I've spent decades building, and he was offered, so that fifty thousand dollars admirable physically the one we're now obstruct kick, what does it, do you want me to not talk for fifty thousand? What you would have done for an extra fifty grand in nineteen forty six right? Harpo and chicken agreed to play a UK tour together and chicken went out there. I and played his own stuff and they didn't rehearse anything in one Harpo came up to the good, do something together. And Harpo went to see Csikos act. And he came back to Susan. He was really disgusted Kosice. It's all blue chip. Goes doing blue material, and that really upset Harpo, so Chico disappointed Harpo and Susan was really. When I talked to her about hundred ninety five she was still pissed off about it. Yeah. Yep. You're right. They went to the UK because Chicago had to have money and William Morris. I think it was Jack Cal shine was there agent there. He said, okay. Harpo you're going to get seventy five percent. And she goes twenty five percent and dads. And no, I'm not going to fifty fifty split. And, and that was the way it wound up. And that's one of the reasons why dad was very hurt by Csikos goes behavior. Is that he was willing to do this, basically, for chick? Oh. Dad didn't have to go to the UK, really not because he had enough money. But he, he was tired. He finished a picture, and it was, oh, let's see nineteen. Well, eighty eight twelve and to drill, and he was already in his sixties. Here. That's, that's an imam saw the effect that it had on dad. And I think that's what really stayed with her, and why she reacted the way she did when Robert was there. Interesting bill. The one thing I really want you to mention that was just very profound discovery for me was when, when I came to visit you and I saw that on all the walls. There were paintings, and I asked you who are all these paintings by, and you said, dad, and it just blew my mind because I've been Marx brothers fan and particularly a Harper fan my entire life. You expect something different, you expected, photographs from the crash on the movies and the last thing I expected was to find out that my hero Harpo was a painter and really cared about it. And, and I was hoping and, you know, that was sort of for me. The greatest discovery in in writing this book. And then telling the story of Harpo and Dolly's short friendship but how it affected their lives in so many ways with Dali, you know, ending up writing this movie for the Marx brothers, and Harpo, you know, really, I think partially appreciating Dali's interest in him because, you know, he was painting to, and I think he appreciated that that artistry I was hoping you'd maybe talk a little about that. Well dad had a heart attack. I forget what year yet. If you start having heart attacks, okay? And he got very depressed because the doctor said, you will not be able to work for about a year at your profession. And so he got very depressed. And, and. Decided that he had to find something creative inside of himself. And so he discovered going back to painting it painted over who over the years, he had painted dabbled just a little bit here and there and there's a wonderful picture of a clown. That's in Harpo speaks at and picture of something they did a self portrait in my book. And so he, he went, and he started to pain, and he realized that this was another part of his passion of just discovering things he was, you know, he could have been Christopher Columbus. He was always out to discover something and. And, and he he just loved doing it. He would sit for seven eight hours in his studio working away, and think nothing of it. And then, of course he was able to go back to work, and, and then he had another heart attack. And then in nineteen sixty one. He was after that heart attack. He was no longer depressed. He said, what, what boy, am I being this way? I'm I'm from now on, I'm on, on velvet. I'm living on Ville, it that was his statement. And he. It changed his whole attitude about everything. And if you research, what he did in nineteen sixty one till the time he passed, in nineteen sixty four you'll realize the collaborated on a, an a biogra- his autobiography he did numerous television shows is as guest artist. He did number of concerts of charity concerts. He was all over the place. And even I think even played golf with Sam Snead at around in that time, there was a show called celebrity golf and he was more active in those three years living on velvet. Then he had been in the previous ten years. Love that love that. Expressway remiss if I didn't do a shameless plug for the Marx brothers TV collect Shohei decide which contain celebrity golf with Harpo and Sam Snead. Right. I heard I heard that he likes to occasionally take his clothes off on a golf course. Oh. You can I had the privilege of hawking his book, when it came out in paperback in nineteen eighty five excuse me and went up and down the east coast. And I wound up on David Letterman, and if you want, you can YouTube it, and it shows my appearance on the Letterman show, and I talk about being the first person probably that, that ever played around a golf with the guy who is totally news. I remember what Letterman ask you. Where did he keep the TS through? Didn't you say building, you say in your book that he would he would hit a couple of holes? And then jump at the somebody's swimming pool to cool off, and then get back on the course precisely a happy guy. It was one hundred ten degrees and, and down where he lived in Palm Springs and so but he was a, he could have been a legitimate nudist had. He not been a famous person. I love that. There's a phrase that Bill one. There's a phrase Bill once used that I love he called his father a pioneer nudist. I love that a scrape. What about this show that Harpo did a strange showing Russia? Well, I know that Robert would be able to tell you a little bit about that. I was never here I hadn't been conceived yet. No excuse Bill. I can tell you this Alexander Woolcott or pose great friend was really the promoter behind getting him to go there. He was the first western artist to go post Russian revolution to play in need and Soviet Union. And he went there in December thirty three he played Leningrad Moscow. And in Harpo speaks, there's just some one. I recommend everybody, who's hearing this who hasn't read her posture referee immediately catch up and go out and get a copy of that book right now, stopped listening to go, get Harpo speaks, well, actually after you get my book is on. Baiters book, right? Presumably, they have our book here, but he talks about the experience of going to Russia and creating showed do there. And there's a wonderful story where he is asked to do some of his stuff in front of an arts council of avowed communist with zero sense of humor in a clan world empty theater. And he's doing the thing is dropping the knives and they're looking at him. Like, who is this? What are we doing here? And I just read it and Harpo speaks it's charming, but he went there is almost like an arts liaison to the United States and he got standing ovations. And you know, he would joke about it because it was last name. Yeah. Yeah. Bill. The interesting thing that I took away from all of this is that he, he had to prove to the authorities that three nine three hundred knives in your suitcase was not to go after the, the head of the Soviet Union. And, and, and they said, well show us what, what it is. And he did his routine for the, the authorities, and as they and as they were dropping it turns out that they had a carpet, and you couldn't hear the the sound. Drafing which is half of them. The way he's spaced everything. And, and he was terrified that because nobody laughed at all. It was it was. But somehow or another. I don't remember why they still allowed him to do that. Ultimately just one of the main reasons was that Woolcott. Oh, was really kind of the reason that dad called, you said, you know, there's this lady, I'm confirmed bachelor and I'm forty four years old forty five years old, and she's pressing me to get married. 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Today, we're gonna talk about next up on the Muller report, rolls are going to talk about the difference between Democrats, and, you know, Democrats and finally, we'll look at the difference between moms and dads on the campaign trail. And I'm really excited by today's panel. We have the writer and host of the podcast, dole boys. So excited to have you here you guys. It's Nick liner. All right. We also have the editor at large for Esquire and host of the year with podcast, home of failure. Dave. Nick. How are you doing great? So good. Where are you guys ready to launch into this thing? Let's do it all right. Here we go with dubbing. Number one. The report drop last week and a delirious public nod at it like my roommate who found a tray of brownies that were not for her and ate the entire trae anyway. But now that we have a handle on some of the details. Let's start with the democratic side. We talked about this briefly last week when we asked should democrat pursue impeachment and it seemed politically useless, like they don't have the votes in the Senate to impeach. So why put the country through that? I mean they have the votes in the house to impeach. They don't have the Senate to remove. So I want to look at this again, briefly because if you put partisan politics aside and we didn't talk about this last week. One of Congress's jobs is oversight to be a check and a balance right on the executive branch and is it unconstitutional for them to abdicate that role in the face of actual crimes? You know what I mean? Like is strategic politicking. Like the thing we need to focus on all the time. Their principles thing to. Yeah. I mean I- path of that is, I'm not sure if I'm ready to concede that it's like strategic to not do it, like, isn't isn't there, a Simpson street value in pursuing impeachment? And maybe more stuff comes to light and maybe just through the going through this process going through to what you said their constitutional duty of oversight that, you know, that will fish shift things against Trump, though, shifting against congressional Republicans. I mean, that seems like that could be an outcome as well that I think is, is not being considered. Everyone's talking about this is going to be this political liability for Democrats to act, which is always like the consensus opinion about, like, oh, Democrats didn't do anything 'cause everyone's going to be upset. Right. Here's deal. Everyone's going to be upset anyone right there. He's going to call them obstructionist no matter what they do. He's been doing that forever. Even though there's not been that much to obstruct you know they're not obstructing nominees. There are a lot of PO posted nominees have not even been put up rate yet. The he puts the boy. Name on them. They don't deserve it. He's going to continue to put the blame on Democrats. They don't deserve it. So you might as well, do something right does, and the other interesting thing is like, we, we live in this world where Republicans own patriotism for whatever reason. Me. See fucking read. Right. So you on Syria thing makes less sense. It doesn't make any sense at all the, the right wing. Talk station is called patriot right? Like it's just it is full ownership of that brand doesn't make it any time. Yeah, you there's always either the word America or patriot or like something like that in the title. Yeah. You're right. That like it's unclear if it's not tradition. I think here's the fact of the matter, though, congress isn't going to do any legislating in the next year and a half. Right. Like, we all know that I'm going to do any legislating, so the shit done, Elizabeth Warren has been the loudest voice for impeachment and also the one with the most detailed policy positions. That point she is able to do both. You are all able to do both. That's I, I love when someone a little smarter than me says something smart. And I'm like I can steal that for later. That's a great. That's a great point on Warren. Yeah. 'cause she has been at the forefront about, like both a the both policy and, and deductible the impeachment stuff. Yeah, it's the whole walk and chew gum cliche. At the same time cliche. I think also to like the twenty twenty messaging will still go out there for the presidential candidates. The sitting members of congress can can be the ones driving impeachment. You know what I mean because even Jerrold Nadler, who's like supply is the guy that's supposed to be running all that stuff. He can start an impeachment process and run an investigation do all of that shit while also, you know, co-signing legislation for sure. If you know if there's going to be any legislating, by the way, there is a another one of those debt ceilings, coming up in September last fun for one and all. Having a party have some people over reliving in the era of the constant cliffhanger. Yeah. And I can't I can't do it. It's always sweeps month. Well ask spigot of performance here. Z GOP has been remarkably quiet on the Muller report. I will say, however, that Mitt Romney has come out. He basically it discussed expressed disgust with the president. I mean, basically started by saying that it was good news. There wasn't sufficient evidence that the president didn't actually conspire with a foreign adversary. Okay. That was great. But and then this is the statement he released quote, even so I'm sick and at the extent pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land, including the president. I'm also appalled that among other things fellow citizens working in a campaign for president welcomed help from Russia. So that's probably the strong. I reaction we've got from, from the Republicans very little L O cropped out the part where he's like, but I'm rich yet. So my don't. My. All of these policies benefit me, so I'm not going to do anything. I think what's interesting about him is that like he sort of like h shit by having that one dinner with Trump where, you know, remember early on. He had like a dinner and they talked over fillets or something. And, and then he still didn't get secretary of state. Whatever he was angling for still like it was, it was Trump debasing him. It was just like, you know, like, basically telling him to, to bend the knee supplicant yourself. And then I'm not going to give you this thing you wanted anyway. Yeah. And then later on Romney was like a running for office within he did it again. He bent the right again or whatever. And now he's, you know. And then he wrote that up that was like a no trumps heinous. And now he's like, you know, tweeting, of course, you know, Trump responded with something about how he's a loser, whatever it doesn't matter. Mike Huckabee responded know what makes me sick mitt. Not how ingenuous you were to take Donald Trump's money, and then four years, later, jealously trash. And then love him again when you beg to be secretary of state, but makes what but makes me sick. I guess what makes me sick is that you got GOP nomination and could have been potentates so anyway, famous Smith. Mike huckabee. I interviewed him about his his comedy styling. Oh, leg about his influences about his process. Like is, you know, he's he's funny on Twitter. He's the funniest. He's his joke. Craft is phenomenal. And so I, I called like we spoke over the phone, and I had a very earnest interview with him about about influences, which include George Carlin, and Richard Pryor as you might imagine. I mean you can. Yeah you can hear it. But yeah, it was he had no idea, but Disney veil. Where was on the political spectrum, he, I don't know, right? Don't that's hilarious. But yeah. I mean if he if he was if he was, if he took my call and thought I was serious, which he did then I don't know. Is she has that like some of mitt Romney's positioning might just come off as like empty sanctimony? Right. I tell you this is. Yeah. And also, you can have that level, you can say ethical things because you'd Utah voters actually, appreciate you're getting necessarily do that for every state of the union. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people took Donald Trump's money, laying a blood of Democrats. He was a democrat five minutes ago that party that was flattering. Talk to me about why aren't we seeing more descent in the GOP will because I think that's the one thing like Twitter what you were saying about, you know, Romney's in Utah, and he's not up for election for six years, like the one political, the third rail right now on the GOP is opposition to Trump. Like you like you need Trump's supporters in order to win a primary in, especially in a lot of these deeply gerrymandered congressional districts. So I think they're just they're just afraid to touch anything. I would say that the thing the thing about Mitt Romney that kind of pisses me off is because, you know, despite the what you're saying, it's empty sanctimony. He's not going to do anything. It's, it's the it's this finger-wagging like how dare you, sir? Have you no decency sort of thing but he's ultimately going to support all of his nominees and all of his policies. It's just Jeff flake from a different, you know, and I it's more symmetrical exactly. Jeff flake. I'm sure you're like a lovely guy. It's fine. Like cost one as a metrical Asari. Sorry, I think I think Jeff flake and. I, I think a physical insult is okay for some people. No cash. I'd like my, my cheeks are burning anyway. But no, here's a Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa took this strong position. I think we all know who the president is he has a brash demeanor. That's all that's about. All I can say, that's what she said about the report Susan Collins said about the report the report offered, quote, an unflattering portrayal of the president very strong words there. So you were like, really not. Oh, yeah. Rob Portman Senator from Ohio said that the report showed a number of serious actions taken a number of actions taken by the president, or as associates that were in appropriate right? Yes. So that's, that's probably I mean, as far as I could find as harsh as they came, what I don't understand is like, how, you know, how is there not a couple of more nuanced camps? Is it so bad to say I don't really. Support this president. But I'm a staunch Republican. And here's how of you know what I mean, could we is it because there's just no real primary challenge. I mean is the data is everyone, as afraid of Sean Hannity. Say it might might come down simply to that, or it is, I mean, I think a lot of a lot of conservative people see in Donald Trump, someone who will do their bidding. All you have to do is say, I think you're very smart and handsome. And also, here's some things you should do as president does that when, when he when he is very head up about something, it is clear that somebody has just come in to the office and said, this is all very tasteful. Your hair looks greats. And here's here's a Bill Renner what I mean it's flatter him. And he will give you exactly what you want funny 'cause like, Lindsey Graham that, you know, they dug up audio Lindsey Graham during the Kenneth Starr investigations, where he said, basically up he was like these are great, we should do ever. You know, all of that, and now Lindsey Graham is the guy that's like calling for an investigation of the investigators right? And so, again, I think what's interesting is. What is the future of the GOP when they're when they're not clearly demonstrating any morals like this is not up if they're the rule of law party, you know, will ruin happens to the future of the GOP, they're not actually upholding the rule of law, right rule of law and law and order. I mean, those are kind of coded phrases. Right. It's like talking it's the the law protects us. But it does not restrict us from doing what we what like if you're in this group if you're if you're one of us, the law will protect you, but it's not going to stop you from, from doing whatever excesses, you wanna do. Everyone bend the law. And if you're outside of this group though, the law can punish you the law, the law is used as, as a way to enforce our thority and, and, and I think that's like, I don't think the I think they're, they're an inconsistently some people have pointed out someone you, you coined the phrase the cruelty is the point with regards to a lot of these abuses. And I think that's also as a similar with hypocrisy like Lindsey Graham is being hypocritical here. But the hypocrisy is part of the. Point that it the inconsistency lets us know that like we can do it, but you can't we can get away with it. But you can't Trump can do it. But if a democrat tried something similar, we will go after them, right? Cannot cannot, okay. I'm ignorant of this. How did the how did the. Okay Clinton's impeachment came out of whitewater. Yeah. Let investigation started with a real estate Ray. Right. Then evolved. He was just constantly under investigation, and then its its tentacles extended to include grab a blowjob, right? Many years after the thing that was being yet. Right. Right. Yes. So I don't recall where the Democratic Party was as far as like having his backpack. Then I think they were pretty the Senate was. Didn't do anything with the impeachment. So I feel like the party was essentially, you know, right. So the impeachment that process began in what ninety eight ninety nine it was, it was roughly around than. Yeah. I, I think I think it might have start earlier than that. And I think the actual impeachment proceedings were in that timeframe. Right. So then gore lost the next election by a razor thin margin. The economy was coming along nicely. Everything seemed to be going, okay. But they're, they're ju- the, the whole idea of impeachment, even though he wasn't removed it, it target. They. And it ended affected V tiny, you know, the sliver of our country that decides presidential elections. Why are we so afraid of it this time around now? It's like you know what I mean why I mean it's going to stick to him yet there is. There is a chunk of people in the center, I don't know how you can be in the center at this time in your life. But there, there is one and they, they do move from side to side. So keep put, don't let this go away. And the other fun thing is that, you know, as Joe Nadler is like subpoenaing financial records. He's all the Democrats are also being sued for trying to get the any kinds of records. So they're dragging their feet on regular doing all this stuff. So there is continue. I mean it's not like formal obstruction but this is like dragging your feet is a way of trying to get in the way of, of transparency and letting people know what you're doing. So I think that's another acting in bad faith that will stick to them, hopefully or maybe, you know, and the rhetoric of elections. Okay. Well, I want to end by. Asking you guys, do you what do you feel like our institutions have fared, well throughout this process? I do not. Got this whole thing has been democracy. Like ray? I mean yeah. Yeah. That is the that is the ideal that we're reaching for. But the one the real lesson of this whole thing is just an I probably smart, people have always known this. I maybe have just always been naive. But the, the point that keeps getting drilled into my head is that the rules are what the rich people say they are rules are what the powerful people say they are. And we can we can pay lip service to patriotism, and to tradition and all of this shit. But, like rich people are going to get their way he really can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue as a truth thing ever said, I know that I don't think that's fair, while it all because, it's, it, we see how, how likely they are to be subverted by partisan politics, by an specifically hear that, that sounds like a both sides equivocation. But specifically here the, the right wing. Is protecting its own the, you know, the richer protecting themselves as Dave was, and I think, also too, so much of what we're seeing specifically regarding the president is how much we've relied on, like self enforcement how much we relied on an individual just sort of being like I'm going to buy by these traditions, I'm going to release my tax returns because that's what presidential candidates do I'm, I'm not going to have a hotel with my name on it across from the White House because that's not technically allowed by the constitution. But if you just ignore those rules, say, fuck it. I mean, like, what if the supreme court ruled against Trump, why wouldn't he just ignore it? What makes you think he's gonna lie by supreme court? Trajectory. So much of what I thought were rules and traditions or institutions were kind of just agreements. I come back in norms, right? I come back to remember when we were when we were growing up, you couldn't advertise alcohol have beer and whatever, but there wouldn't be a vodka ad. And I was led to believe that that was like, you know, the FCC had like a very from rural against that was just an agreement, and then like cable networks were like, well, why don't we just not abide by that? That's money that, that we're leaving on the table. Why don't we just take today? And like I think kind of every rule is that it's just sort of a handshake, right? Hey, you know, we ended up with that. So we know that Erin. Paula Diddy vodka commercial. There was a lot of fun. Yeah. God saying it's why we're enjoying all the way. 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Progressive more socialists and skinnier refu- or blemishes, we wrote a piece in the New York Times called the democratic electorate on Twitter is not the actual democratic electorate ended addresses this very divide. So just first off, did this ring true that there is a divide between the, the two. I mean, of course, you know, maybe it's just real life. If you disagree with someone politically to be like your a corncob, you know, like, like, the, the discourses a little bit different on Twitter, but I also think too, there's just like such a large part of the population that is not even like on Twitter or maybe they have an account that they barely look at her something like that. You know, they set up to follow the voice a few years ago and they did. They pay attention to it anymore. I think it's a very small subset of, of the population is active on Twitter. And then of that active. It's like another sliver that has actually doing engaged in political discussion on Twitter. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. The, the, the Liz fan is not the Twitter. Liz. Oh, fast. It goes for everything. The Republican is not the Twitter. Republican a, you are always more extreme. You're always in a in a more vicious fight you, you get out into the real world. I took a break from Twitter last year, and it was the best thirty days of my life. Now it's the dream, why did I go back? I don't. Okay. So when you when you went back immediately, did you start getting like anxiety and weird feelings while you were like, why am I on here? Okay. Absolutely. And I have I've blocking strategies for treating get into later but when you were off and you move around the world you realize there are things that nobody in the world is talking. What's is nuts? Ben shapiro. Nobody really fucking cares. Once you get off the internet. You don't hear about him in real life. He is Carly. Rae jepsen basically, he's got thirty five fans and they're all on Twitter, and they're all real albums heralded. I love her. I love her. I'm one of the thirty five for Carly Rae jepsen but yeah, Charlie Kirk doesn't exist in real life, Candice, Owens doesn't exist in real life. These are all Twitter people. I think we, we are probably them for Democrats. You know, we get online more, and we argue a little bit more. But yet, and I, I don't believe that I am most people, right? I mean, I think we'll one of the things that I found interesting was that was the, you know, Ralph the routh northern example which is very recent. And you know there's this huge uproar like he should resign over the black face photos. And we talked about it on this show in on Twitter. Everyone was basically demanding his resignation. But when they did a poll and all the democratic candidates also. That's the other funny thing. The democratic candidates may be in response to what was happening on Twitter were also demanding his resignation immediately, how immediately. And so someone where someone was trying to cling all the time stamps of win. Presidential candidates were why we're weighing in. That's the other thing is that it's is that this the time stamp issue. Is it for it, something's trending? And then suddenly all of these important people are forced to take a very quick and hastily made decision because if you don't then you're over get. And so there's like that, you know, mob mentality thing that goes into the forces people to make decisions and take stances that they wouldn't necessarily take right now. So that's a like uncomfortable place. But I thought you know what this, I guess, were you surprised that like a majority of Julian's including black Virginians didn't think that north, I'm should have resigned. I think a lot of probably should resent didn't know about it, because it was it was a huge controversy online. And if you're not online, you hear about it. Also, like you know that was wrong, and it's ugly, and that is, you know, terrible symbol of our past, and, you know, black face has terrible implications and, and you know, and it resonates in awful ways, but you know he was young and things are different now. And what all of those things are nuance and nuance has no place. No. Yeah. Just say resigned. I mean, I think he probably should've resigned because it was like egregious. And it was really offensive to look at. And I and I think optically it's just bad for that person to be the top democratic official in the Commonwealth. But I like also. I understand that, that, that, that there's probably some, you know, that there's, there's always like some game theory going on. I feel like in, in, in the calculations of voters. They're always like yeah. This person is flawed. But they are, you know, the person that they are maybe the, the best advocate for this other reason, or they're just like it's not worth the rigmarole of getting rid of this person. Simply I, I just want to wait for the next elections this out. Right. Exactly. Also, another case, too, where I think everyone is expecting north him to resign in than what he didn't resign. Everyone's like, well, what do we know what it would you? There is a mechanic for moving for office, but it'd be like we're going to do that. I guess I guess he's still the governor. We're so we rely so much on self police, and they had that whole, there was an issue, because then the number two guy had sexual harassment claims against, you know, there was all this guy also. So crazy. Everyone ahead a black bass. I think you should have resigned when he looked around and thought about moonwalking press conference. Have you had a role? I can't believe what was actually hardened by because I, I am a fan of Elizabeth Warren. And the ancestry story isn't a scandal to most Democrats debris large road on Twitter. It was a big scandal to for Democrats on Twitter. So so that I thought was good because to me that shouldn't have been scandal. I don't know why we blew that up and what's going on. That's again, one of those things where I feel like I was being forced by Twitter to recognize something as a scandal when I didn't believe that it needed to have that much attention on it, because we get someone ad in you like like why haven't you weighed in on this? Like someone like like like at trying to provoke you to take on something like why did I don't want to weigh in on everything everything every single thing on Twitter is a proclamation? You're like you are putting your flag in the ground. And you're saying this is. Exactly how I feel about this right now. Everything we want to explain what one point five billion. Other Muslims are doing. Mostly my role a Twitter, so. Okay. So I wanted to share some of these stacked with you guys to, to show this divide. So Democrats who do not post political content social media are more likely to identify themselves, as moderates or conservatives. They're more likely to say political correctness is a problem. They're more likely to, to say that they don't really follow the news that much. So going to both of your point about, like, they don't actually know about some of these scandals, right? Because they're not following it, and they're actually more likely to be African American so there, that's you know, people who don't post political content social media, but of Twitter users eighty percent say said they were liberal of Twitter user who regularly post. Right. Eighty percents of they were liberal, a similar percentage said they had a college degree twenty percent said political correctness was. A problem and only two percent are black. So it's like the numbers are almost totally flip flopped river the reverse. You know it's funny to that, that eighty percent liberal number that you're saying because I feel like in the satement of left Twitter. I'm in, I always see people talking about, like, I'm not a liberal, a leftist like I'm further to the left of liberal IDO position myself in this, this. That's a mainstream sellout is a liberal leftist is a is reflects my position. Yeah, I, I think those numbers to me because so much presidential polling right now as it stands like eighteen months from this, this general election is about name recognition. Right. So it's like that. That's the kind of thing that makes me think that, like whatever's going on in this Twitter primary the actual primary. I'm not discounting the chances that Joe Biden could win the nomination because everyone knows who he is. And he has, like highlight ability, among the general, not the general the General Electric, but also, like the, the, the democratic prime. Mary voters. Right. Like he could that could be a thing like regardless of everyone condemning him on Twitter. And I don't think Joe Biden his far from a perfect candidate in man. I it's still could just could happen, right? Yeah. And d-. Well, another interesting statistic is only twenty five percent of Democrats are actually ideologically. Progressive left of center, only one in ten of those dentis socialists. Okay. So the entire movement in terms of democratic socialism is again, it's very fringe when we're talking about the general electorate, what does does this move you in terms of what who you think might be winning in the lead, you mentioned Joe Biden, where where does that leave a Bernie Sanders, which is leave, you know, some of the more lefty candidates low. I think also, I think, for the same reason, and this is maybe paradoxical for this be. But I think because so much of the electorate is not ideological so much of it is, like, we're regardless of how they. Identify like that's not what they prioritize. It's, it's I don't think Obama one and eight you win the primary for ideological reasons. I mean, the Iraq war was a big part of his candidacy, but it wasn't. It was mostly like this is an inspiring guy. I want to vote for he's, he's just an amazing candidate who makes me want like hope was his message that that was that was whatever we're over the route it. So I could see people getting behind Bernie basically for personality reasons, basically, like, yes. I like his message I like what he's saying. But also, like I just respond to this guy. He feels like an advocate for people like me. I mean sometimes it's just what it comes down to right. Yeah. But I also think if the electric was as left as Bernie or, and he would have one in twenty-six, yes. You know, Howard Dean would have won in whenever that was right. Well, but also both of those people were were people that the media kind of abused Bernie Sanders, did not get the media attention that Hillary Clinton got in, you know, in the last election and. Howard Dean was destroyed because he made a strange noise with his mouth. Yeah. No. Which they actually, like I heard like a podcast recently, where they like went back to that moment. And they actually talked about how the audio on the Mike, the microphone was both basically blowing out, and so that, but it was a direct feed into the camera so in rural in the stadium or wherever that was you couldn't hear that noise, you could only hear it if was being directly fed through this warped microphone anyways. So it was not even annoys. He actually made you know anyway. So frustrating that and Dan Quayle spin. It is spilling potato with an e where like that. That's the death note, this person's political future. Yeah. And now you can just let ever do whatever you want to have a face photo shared a bit to sexual assault seem Quainton. It really does really does. We are so cute. Douro vol-. It's I guess the lesson here is just that it's impossible to be moderate on Twitter. Sure. You know, if you if you try to have a nuanced position on anything, people are going to attack. You also you're not like it's, it's like the whole concept of hate mail. You get you know, you get love letters or you get hate mail. If you're if you're on TV or, or whatever you don't get like nobody's ever going to write and say, like, I think you're okay, your you know, you're six out of ten for me. You're not nobody is motivated to make that comment. Nobody's ever motivated to be on Twitter to be like, man, I feel wishy washy about this subject. Wouldn't that be like the most insulting fan mail, like worse than like hate though? Someone's eero. Right. You wait. You took the time six out of ten Jesus Christ. It's easy to like to completely tune out. Someone that's like actually got an Email the other day that was like you should stop doing all the things that you do delete, what you do, is that. And it was like it has a we've just kind of be like, oh, that's such a crazy fringe. Like you took the time out derive. But, like, if someone takes the time to write something very like just in the middle. I would be like thinking about it for the rest of my life. Roseanne on my thin. Eyebrows. High quality. I guess, well, and I guess at some point at every podcast we talk about Twitter being exhausting. It is exhausting. It's alienating and twenty even people like my mom or just like, why are you talking about Twitter all like she's like why you know, I don't know what, what to do. I don't know how to get out of this thing. Unless Twitter decide just like shuts itself, we have to and the thing is that the, the most damaging thing is the lazy post where it's like, you know, left-wingers going crazy about XYZ, and then it's you, you've cherry pick six things open door. Nobody's to prove some larger point right? You can find six people on Twitter to literally say anything anything at all. I'm ready for that, that whole thing to burn down. But like those kinds of posts do well the click Beatty, and they do. Well, what are, what are we going to do? Well, how do we solve a problem like Twitter? I, I mean, I know that I need to be off it can't be off solve a problem. Like. Yeah, I liberty a clown. I don't think that's because it's not going to be, we're not going to self medicate. Ourselves self heal ourselves by all getting off Twitter, you did it for thirty days in couldn't stay off of it. I you actively went back to a thing that made you feel awful. That is the definition of addiction. Right. So we're not capable need. It's kind of like there. We need a larger force at play. I feel like to you know, just needs to somebody needs to put yank the plug out of the wall and just shut it down forever. And now I mean that's it. You know, we're talking about Twitter. You're the article JR. Also just generally talked about posting online in addition to just Twitter. So it is, as all social media platforms can all suck. A dick is what I'm saying. Yeah, they're all garbage. I mean, like like regar- you Twitter. We, we clearly are on, and then also hate because we are on it. But, you know, like whatever. Evans says is that YouTube is actually, the more harmful radicalization plateau, because everything. Yeah. Exactly. And it just auto playing all this, this, this wretched sort of right wing propaganda that you'll get regardless of whatever you're watching I lately until media in the lie. I told myself about Twitter's at a need it for career reasons. And then meanwhile like in the four plus years, I've Jesus Christ probably longer than that. However, long have been on Twitter. I don't think I've ever gotten any sort of job directly from being onto it. I don't think I've ever been like, hey. Submit your Twitter feed, like for as a source of material for like a job. I I've been asked about, like Stephanie. I've been said like you may submit your Twitter feed, and I'm like, I'm not gonna fuck in some. It's garlic. It's none of let what am I submit something that matters that I laboured over that involves some craft did I don't know. I don't know. I got worked from it for sure. In the early years. It was great for joke craft right one hundred forty characters you had to get the point very quickly. I for sure got writing jobs from it. Nice. And so that's nice. And then in, in the neck like the next wave of it. I also met writing partners and people that I still collaborate with on. We got difficult Hypo from it, you got catastrophe for lovely thing that you're describing, I know I mean, it's gone forever in what we well, what we know to close out the segment is that Twitter is not an online social media. They're not Representative of the party at large. And when we have to remember that every time we hear a fucking scandal or like that, you know, some candidate where, you know, their, their candidacy is over because of something we, we somehow need to stop take a breath. And remember, it's not it's not necessarily happening that goes for the people that we disagree with as well. There are people who have guns, who are threatening to sue. Me. Yeah. On twitter. You know what I mean? Like, there are responsible people that I disagree with. Yeah. I we can't we can't take the can't cherry pick the nasty ones, and I read. Yeah. All right. You guys. Lewis move on to number three. So we read a piece in the cut by Rebecca or called mob versus data on the road to twenty twenty where she lays out our perception of female candidates has mothers versus male candidates, as fathers and up till now mom's on the campaign trail where apparently heartless and constantly had to account for the number of days. They didn't see their children. Whereas campaigning men were pathetic souls, who had a bundle of joy waiting at home to see him. How lovely how brave now has this perception changed? I think I think better Rourke would say there has, you know, he, he made that joke of like my wife ways raises my kids occasionally with my, you know, involvement or whatever which was like acute CBS sitcom kind of a joke that he got lambasted for, you know. And, and deservedly you know, like it's good that, like, we can kinda say, like, that's, that's shitty ran, you sound like a shady person. Would you say that? Yeah, I mean, I yeah, I think that perception is changing. Yeah. I think it's, it's chained I mean, you know, and there were people like commenting when he was on the road finding himself or whatever he was doing at in the office roms of Iowa ever. Then, you know that he was leave, you know, that he had left his kids. There was a, there was a detail in Vanity Fair piece about him that where that is eight. Well, there's, there's some things that I think are unfair. There was a detail about him that his son had said, please don't run for president eight year old son or something. It's like outcry all day if you run for president and he decided to run for president. Anyway. But I'm just like what family allows an eight year old to dictate family policy? I mean it's like you don't like letting a child dictate. Your career toys is like leading child dictate your career choices. You know what I mean? It's ridiculous. Cremating is it's over for him. So I'm like, that's the kind of dumb thing for everyone to, to hone in on, you know, I think, again, his joke was like you know about his wife is like, yeah. Like she probably she does do more of the parenting. And so is it is it somehow our way we can talk about that without it being weird or bad, or I don't know. But I think d-, do you think that let's talk about how some of the women could a women get away with what any of the stuff that Beddoe is done a, what that's specific or Mark? No ad. I don't think a woman could say that and could say, like, oh, my husband's raising the kids and I kind of like pop in there, I think that would probably they'd probably get it, even it'd be attacked even more than than Beto was right. Like a I think that a curious about this. What your perception of it is? Because they don't think I've seen. Gene, outside of Biden's family situation, which we already know about, and then Beddoes kids, so we saw it in that context. I haven't seen other candidates kids, all that much on the campaign trail yet. Have have have. They come up. I, I honestly don't know what, what is he has them who has kids? What's everyone said. Comal mother is coming here says the stepmother, but in she's like sort of proudly stepmother until the Gabbard which I don't know if she is terribly serious of the candidate. But anyway, she does not have children. Cory Booker doesn't have children dredges of their apparently like they're thinking about it. I don't know if it's via surrogacy or adoptive be Pete, and Chaston. Oh, got you got you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yes. To take on all once. Yeah, but I don't know Elizabeth Warren has children. Her kids are grown, right. Chris kirchen. Gillibrand sellers, children at home. I'm glad you said it because they never know if it's a hard G or a soft g it's like give I go with Jill. Lebron? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I well, it's interesting. So back when Geraldine Ferraro was the VP on the Monday. Yeah. On the Mondale ticket, she was asked she was asked like how often see your kid from me like, and I think the husband said, oh, she's only not seeing them two weekends in the six year. She's been in congress, something like that. And, and then it was like, seemed like this is the thing that every woman is going to have to account for the years later. Wendy Davis out of Texas. Same thing she had to talk about number of it looks account for the number of openness, acceler spreadsheet. We wanna see which days, have you seen your children. That you've had this job. You am bishops. You know, a woman a woman being the insults. You know. So I think that I think was something that people always had to account for now. I still think that something people are, you know, like I don't I can't imagine that citizens who may or may not be considering Kirstin gillibrand or whoever like the people have kids at home. I think Kirstin gillibrand is going to have to account for what are you doing with these kids? And I think better work still doesn't really have to. Yeah. I think I think you're absolutely right. I mean it's gotten a little better and were self-aware where more self aware about it now. But I don't think in in just giving examples. So I as listeners now I have a newborn, she's four months old and right out the gate like the baby six weeks old. My husband gets job. He's an act tour, and he gets a job in Morocco. So he has to be in Morocco for seven weeks. I went and visited for six days, whatever. That explains my Instagram photos, people were very confused with the baby. I went I didn't leave. Her again, I have to constantly say things like that. He does not. So at no point. Did anyone ask him? Where's the baby? Who's taking care of the baby at, like no point. Was that a question for him with the producers he was working with or none of that me, I had gig around the same time I had gigs, you know, Oliver, the country, Chicago's in Antonio, whatever Pittsburgh, and I had people would be like wait, if your husband is in Morocco who has the baby and I would always, you know, go into a whole thing like, well, we had my mom. It's like they wanted details. Okay. So this time my mom's in towns, she's, you know, and then this time we got a babysitter doing overnight, like ridiculous. Right. I also had to take my baby with me on a gig while two strangers in the audience watched my baby, and I was on stage. And so I've done stuff like that. Not just pumping on the four, oh, five you guys I've like had to deal with a lot of these things, you know, because being a mother in America is being in enemy of the state, and so that's kind of like. What if feels like some of these situations? And I thought, oh my God. It's twenty nineteen where like around people in the entertainment industry, who were like, generally progressive, you know, lefty types, and I still get the question in my end. Jason doesn't get it. Right. So that this is still happening. Do you think there's a that there, there's any kind of political benefit to leaning in hard on being a mother? I mean it's. I mean, I guess it depends on it might be a different answer for the primary versus the electric the general election. The thing is, like again, I'm I not sure. How many candidates that applies to I think Jill? Lebron is the unique situation where she's got young kids, and I think that might just be her so yeah, I don't know. I mean, the, the issue is that with, with, with women. And I think this week's to what you were saying about everyone asking you while where your where your, your baby was while you were pursuing your career is that, like they they're still this perception, that being ambitious or prioritizing, your career are liabilities for a woman, and I think that's definitely true. In, in politics. You know. So, yeah, I, I don't know strategically. I, I don't know if I have if I have a strong take on that it's also funny, I mean, because I think at the same time, like, what are you guys think about women, like women who don't have kids? So the comma Harris's until till together like, is there some kind of a. They come off as harsher or less. I don't know less attic or something because they didn't have kids. I mean, we can't off the top of our heads name, which ones they are. So maybe not right, right. Yeah. That's actually a good point because I do I do wonder if like with Wisconsin Harris being a prosecutor and kind of being seen, as you know, too, tough on time or something in her history in California, if maybe if she had more of more children to let us us props. Saw that her image. Do you know what I mean or something? And maybe that's why you know, her her step kids, I guess, call her mama LA and, and that's something she kind of is in her profile on Twitter. So maybe, maybe that's you know, part of this is a little bit gross because it sounds like a little bit like just branding. I mean, we're talking about of these kids were ranting, but I think you know, there's there's something about, but the interesting thing is like Cory Booker also doesn't have kids, and I don't think it's I don't think anyone thinks about that. It's usually it's not like because also he doesn't have an expiration date on stuck in ovary. So there's that, you know, but no one has an expiration date on adoption. So, you know, people aren't saying, like, like, oh, booker's problem is that he's childless people are like, like, why isn't the why isn't he married? You know that's. And that's why I think, you know, he makes a he's dating Rosario Dawson is making a big show of, like, like, look, I do have somebody, you know, partly because they need to do that. Yeah, I think it's I think it's probably lose lose for women. It's like I think probably if you have children, then it's like well look like what are you? Where are your kids? Why are you taking care of them? And if you don't it's like, well, why, why don't you have kids? How can you have a perspective on, on a being president, if you're, if you're not a mother, so I, I think I think it's just another thing that women have to deal with that men, don't, you know, like, hate that, that narrative of, like us, you know, I think Tucker Carlson said something that AFC, not having kids. Yeah. Right. How could she poss- how could he more lies to me when she has never had children like to possibly? No. So he said something like that. I'm paraphrasing. I hate that because I'm like, no for most of my life, I didn't have a kid and I was really fucking moral. Like argued, I really I, I was I was I'm not your empathetic now that I have a child as you trying to tease, any sense of what chucker calls and says, is, as it's as futile as trying to write like, like, look at based on Twitter is going to say something shitty about her no matter what. But I wonder if like other people might be thinking something about like that. Like you need to be apparent in order to have some kind of, like moral within the family values the whole Demi values argument and that the interesting thing about Sarah Palin who was also writing with, with a one year old right, when she was on the VP, Sarah Palin, interestingly was able to, like toll this line of, like I am a mother and lean into it, and I'm like mama grizzly way, the as this article points out. But she did it in a way that sort of like. Confirmed conservative family values. You know it affirmed those things as opposed to it wasn't like this ambitious woman out of there, that it was more like this is a mama, grizzly who happens to be on a VP take it. I don't know. It had the opposite effect. I think of, like, you know, another a woman like Hillary Clinton or something. Who's my Waseem as nakedly ambitious or adult children are the way to go? The. With Warren figured it out grown up kid. Right. That's yeah. Don't have to be, you know, you're not you're not like raked over the coals for not being with them. The other thing I want to say about women of a certain age in night because I was really uncomfortable. When people were shitting on Nancy Pelosi in issue, isn't she going to be the speaker of the house, again, and all of that stuff that she's too old? And, and as as, as Nancy Pelosi pointed at herself like no I mean I every other man got into congress at thirty. And I didn't do that because I had five children at the wait until my daughter was a senior in high. My youngest was a senior in high school before I went to Washington. So it's like, yes. So in in actual years, she might be older. But in political years, she didn't get to start when all the men started. So let's keep that in mind before we start calling every fucking woman, who's trying to do something in with their political careers too old. I think if you're going to zero in on age like that's not a Nancy Pelosi issue in. Congress. That's much of congress, particularly that. The, the Senate. There are so many just old ask people in the in the Senate and, and, and in, in congress as well. It's just, you know, that's, that's not specific to her. No. I mean I hear you on the just everyone's too old right now. Right. You're right. That put that, that fixation on Pelosi was like in a way it was it a. Yeah. It didn't take into account her specific situation. Yeah. Yeah. I also wonder whether regular people care, you know, I want your Twitter, they might be twitted thing like if you really polled, you know, a thousand people, what percentage would be able to name Obama's kids. Sure we know. But, like I don't know that a lot of people do really or a first family that maybe, you know, but maybe not I don't know or if they could if they could name, Jimmy Carter's kid, or whatever, ultimately, I don't you know, I don't know that people care them listeners. Let us know what Jimmy Carter's kids names are. Just one. Tweet at me over post on any of the miserable social media platforms that we should not be on. A you guys. That's the end of the show. We did it. And I always like to ask at the end of the show, and we can connect back to whatever topic we discussed here. How do you guys feel just in general? I mean about the state of the Republic nervous at all times got it. But I am committed to here's how I feel right now. I feel like everyone is acting like it's a long time ago when it is not a long time. It's now I I'm hearing all these dumb arguments about what is and what is not electable and it's like poll, your fucking head out. And look at who is in the White House right now anything is possible anything's possible. So if, if somebody aligns most closely with your beliefs, don't give me this bullshit about like this kind of person isn't electable, because they don't have kids or they're gay, or they're black or whatever, like fucking get out and. Push. Get out and push, call ten people and make just make your make me make your pinions. Now, make it passions known push like get out there and fucking do it. And if you person doesn't win and somebody with who only agrees with you seventy five percent of the time gets the nomination fucking get out and push for that person. I feel like we're we're like we're defeating ourselves before we even start. But without looking at what the world is like right now, because the other side had passionate was just like I am going to fucking. I want to get out and push. Right. They never could they elect ability was not the concern of now, Trump's supporters, they will just like I like this guy, and I like what he stands your name everything that sucks about him, which is insane. Did you vote for somebody that whose skin looks like that who's hair looks like that? Who's voice sounds like that. Who says the dumb things he says who sits on a toilet in tweets all day, who picks fights with people gives people nicknames? Would you vote for that? No. Of course you wouldn't. But they did enough people did. Yeah. You know, I just and you know, a topic we didn't touch on today is, is climate change. And that's what I feel like consumes so much of my thoughts today and just, just like I think that they, I'm just viewing so much of what's going on when politics through the prism of, like, what if the, the world that we know now is unrecognizable twenty years from now they could just we get in this downward spiral of climate feedback loops that that make the, the world just uninhabitable. Make feel completely different than what we currently have the thrust our political system into chaos. I read this book called the uninhabitable earth, which I would strongly recommend to anybody. And it it just as one bullet point it talks about is kind of like this, this looming possible, apocalypse is that as the. Concentration of co two goes up in the air, it will make us all dumber and angrier. So like as sets what's yet because we'll have a less oxygen in our brain. So we're all going to be like, like like like not be able to understand what's going on, and then also be matter. So that's just going to exacerbate existing global tensions. I just think we might be heading towards a larger issue that people that were just unprepared for. So, you know, like, like, like I'm, I'm definitely worried about twenty twenty. I'm very I was optimism after what happened after twenty eighteen but so much of what I'm thinking about is, like, has my on twenty thirty twenty forty twenty fifty and I'm just like what, what are we? What are we going to do? How is the world going to deal with this, which I guess, that sounds nihilistic but I would to be honest, like, I that's that's a, that's a lot of how I feel about politics in general right now is the Philip climate change is such a big issue. And we just need to do something about clinical party thinks it's a Joe, exactly. Yeah. Pete buddha. Jj actual. Really, I don't know. I don't even know if this is specifically he's referring to climate change. But I read it that way, he said something like I wonder what the world will be like, when I'm Donald Trump's age and that is like, let's all think about that because you're gonna live for a while. Like do you want to see do you want to live in experience the garbage? We're going to have to experience because it will we're already seeing it. We're already seeing it, you know, I grew up in Palm Springs. And we add, maybe two or three days of clouds a year. Like, literally, it just never was never ever ever cloudy or rainy, or anything. And now we're up to like, I don't know two or three weeks of rain a year. And I know that still nothing. But it's I mean it say it's just not built for it. It's a desert. It's not supposed to have rain is just not supposed to have rain, rain. You know, LA this was the record right? The the largest rainfall on record. And so you drive around the southern California CD's beautiful green rolling hill. It's a desert guys. They're not supposed to be green rolling hills than burn into the dry out in the summer and then turn into kindling for fire. That's what happens. So we're seeing it. It's not something abstract. You guys thanks so much for being on the show. Can you guys tell Nick, let's start with you? The people fake the nation where they can find you how they can like follow your work and like get all up in you. I'm on Twitter, the hell site. We all hate at Nic wider, and I try to, they can't help would re tweet some political things, but I try to tweet more about, like just like basketball and stuff. That doesn't make drive me crazy. But yes, I am on there and then also my podcast about a much lighter topic chain restaurants, still, boys. I host with my friend, Mike Mitchell. That's you could check out our Twitter at dope, boys pod, or just go to us. We're on the head gum network. Wherever you got you find podcast. Download and listen. Yeah. I am also on all the platforms at Dave Holmes and I'm here to your wolf with homophobia. If you're in LA on April twenty six Friday, eight o'clock, my friends got Kimball and I do a show called the Friday, forty two topical gameshow forty questions about the events of the last seven days while we all drink forties. And. Tyler and Luke, no will be there and it's gonna be a ball. Nice guys. Definitely go see that. And definitely subscribe to the Doboy us. 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This is the liberty beat produced in partnership with SNL as news in listeners like you the liberty beat his online at liberty beat dot news and SNL, S dot news. I'm McMurdo reporting for the liberty beat reminding you spread liberty with a smile, Jim Rome here. When you want expert advice, you go to a pro. Some folks consider me a pro at sports, in as a pro at sports, here are some simple advice, the might help you out when you're hitting the sports book. And a buddy of yours tells you he has a quote sure thing you want my pro tip, go the other way. There's a reason why casinos pop up from the ground every week in Vegas. There is no such thing as a guarantee in sports in less. It is the warriors winning another title. And when you're looking for pro tips on vehicle, maintenance or repair look, no further than O'Reilly auto parts. Whether it comes to replace. Your battery getting advice on proper car, maintenance or even just getting the best bang for your buck. Their expert team can help you out every step of the way. O eilly auto parts, better parts. Better prices every day. Take me back. Roger, what possessed you to put that dude on your show? I sit in the limo for two guys in the history of blind date. One was Ryan Seacrest. And the other was J. Freaking stew. Jim, you think I got where I am because I'm talented no. Welcome to episode eighty to the Jim Rome podcast. So glad that you here to give this thing a spin because my guest this week is a very good friend of the program and an OG Roger lodge. Now if you flipped on TV in the late nineties early two thousands, then, you know, Roger from the greatest dating show of all time, blind date. And if you have flipped on radio in southern California since then, you know, Roger from his daily sports talk show, the sports lodge between it all Roger has been a mainstay in the jungle, and was a frequent forum guest on Jim Rome is burning, we had a tend to get caught up on, and I could not be more pumped to share this conversation with y'all because it was a blasted track. Ziada is we go now at the episode eighty two with Roger lodge enjoy this because I know you will. This is awesome. We have tremendous history in this guy. He was a staple on my radio program and my TV show back in the day, but it's been a minute or two since we've gotten caught up Roger lodge, not only on, but he is in the House, Mr forum, how you live in Roger. How is everything God? Are you kidding me? The fact that you just brought up the Mr. forum moniker that I sell self imposed upon myself while Ray Ratto is taken a drink out of his coffee Cup on the set of Roma's Birdman. I cannot tell you, what a thrill it was for me to get a call from you guys and to show up here today. This is big for me. Jim, I really appreciate it. It's so good to see when it's all coming back to me right now. You just reset one of my favorite things from J. Ray Ratto with that patented go to the mug while on camera move only got a guy ever did it and could actually pull it off. And you can't teach what raise Radha was doing on the set that afternoon. I'll never forget it. The only thing bigger for me in the history of my so-called. Career was J stew on blind date which was the you know that just head and shoulders. The greatest mole, I'm gonna get going to get there. I can't wait. Get there before. And you. So Roger, you've had an amazing career. Let's start with sports forest. You've had a long running talk show here in southern California, the sports lodge. How is business? How long have you done that show? Now, Jim imagine this. I'm a kid growing up in Lakewood, California tool five oh, two wilder right down the street from here about twenty minutes. And I grew up in halo honk from the time I was six years old. I was in angel fan listening to dick emberg with my little green transistor under my pillow late at night, I was supposed to be sleeping, but no, I had my dick emberg. I had my Halo's a now I've been in business with with the angels on their station. AM eight thirty out here in southern California. I'm going on my eleventh year. Just got renewed for two more. Good for you. Congrats. Thank you very much. And I just wanna say this before we go another thirty seconds. You're the guy the gave me my shot in radio. You're the guy that allowed the blind date dude to come in and host. The Jim Rome show when you were in the basement, and I it to you. I mean you gave me a shot gave me the confidence. And, and I studied, you, you may not know this, but when I first started hanging around the Jim Rome show, I studied, you. I watched you. I watch you interact with your crew. I watched the work that you put in, and I can tell you I've been around this business for a long time. Now, I've never learned from anyone more that I learned from you, not just what you on the air. But the work that you put it it's a grind and nobody nobody will ever outward. Jim rome. So thank you for all you tell them. That was so unnecessary. I really appreciate CNN, but that was so, unnecessary and congrats on your getting the deal you mentioned dick Ambrose. Can I tell you what I went when I grew up in the valley and played little league baseball in Sherman, oaks literally? Oh my God. My son just wrapped up a career there. I don't get it. Sure. Renounce. Yeah. Right. So you wanna see what I'm saying? Now, dick Enberg like you, you and I are pretty close in age, dick Emery was the guy he he had a son that played in that little league and he would show up on occasion to the ballpark, and I'm talking dick freaking Amberg in his prime and all his glory, man. That was something to see, I mean when dick would show up there and kind of watch kids play ball men. That was an awesome time. And Jimmy knows well as anyone. There were not enough owes in smooth than described, dick emberg. Not only was he smooth on the air. But back in the day, dick Emery was good looking dude, hanging out with CLYDE, writing Jim forgo see I guarantee you. They were getting done on the road. But the have Jimmy to have dick emberg around, are you kidding? That must've been awesome times, man clubs Russia. If you grew up in angel fan, what's it been, like, I'm you've had the best seat in the house, you can go there and you pretty much have the free run of the place. What's it been like to go down there and work, and see one of the best to ever do it might trout night in and night out? And maybe what is something that people nationally? Do not know about him that should. About him. I'm going to tell you story right now that I think has been told in everyone needs to know it might trout, just signed that unbelievable contract for a twelve year contract with the angels, and I talked to Craig Landis his agent about that process. And they started here, the angel started here, then they started the come closer together. They were getting pretty close. Craig land is Mike trout's aging got a phone call from Mike trout. And he wanted to get this deal done, and he said the Craig Landis Craig, I can't leave him. I can't leave the kids and Craig thought, what are you talking about the kids down in the minor leagues? So you talking about the youngsters on the angel in the angel clubhouse, and Mike. Trout said, no, I can't leave the kids at hope hospital in the cancer ward, I visit on a monthly basis, I can't leave the kids at the schools that I visit in southern California. I can't leave the kids. The come out to the. The ballpark every night to get my autograph and go out of their way and try everything they can to come. See me play. I can't leave the kids, get this deal done. Let's do it Mike. Trout. You can talk about Mike trout. The baseball player. We're talking about a seven time all star. You know a back to back all star game. MVP two time MVP should be four six times silver slugger award winner, future hall of Famer Michael Nelson trout, what he does on the field is one thing. What Mike trout does off the field. Jim. I've witnessed it this guy is a rarity. We've never seen a superstar go out of his way for the fans, especially the kids, like Michael Nelson trout, he's amazed. That's a great story. That's a great story. And to be fair. I've seen this. Like I've gone to those games. I've been on the field. It's all true about my trout and the kids. I mean, he loves the kids absolutely loves the kids, so I'm not surprised to hear that. I haven't heard that part of the story, but I'm not surprised Roger blind date, Jay right to it. You, you had an amazing run as host a blind date de alternate dating show to this day, nothing. Even comes close. What do you remember about the audio portion? How did you get that gig? There was no other Asian. There was. There was no other Jim imagine this imagine this. I am the apartment manager in my Bill. Building. I'm working as a waiter, I'm guest hosting on talk soup on e inter taint. What year is this? This is ninety seven. I want to say ninety seven I go to one on dishing. I I'm in the I'm in the middle of a two week, run hosting talk soup on e enter taint. I get a call after I finished up an episode. I was filling in for. He was either John Hinson say Hansen, right? I think I was filling in for Hansen so I get a call. Do you want to go audition for this dating show? Jim, I had no business talking about dating. My, my personal dating back then was complete and utter dumpster fly. So I go in I go in to audition. I mean it wasn't a goal Roger. The kid you want hosted dating. I go into this audition. There's literally two hundred people in the room. There's male female Caucasian, African American Asian little people, they had no idea what they wanted in their host for blind date. But in the audition room there was a sign in written on the sign. It said, we are looking for the talk soup mentality the tongue in cheek talk soup mentality is the host for this new dating show blind date. Again I was in the middle of a two week talk soup run, the addition was on a Thursday. I left the audition, I called my agent and said, just tell him to watch talk soup. I'm being I'll be hosting at all weekend. Right. I mean, the took some web OTs to do did not man. You walk out of that audition said watch me on talk soup on Monday, I war on Monday. I was screen testing for the host of blind date. And the rest is history. We had a nice seven year run in first run syndication on. Three four five times a day, and some of the biggest markets in our country. What was that? Like I mean, you, you have done so many different things in this business. But man that show that was one of a kind. What was it like to host blind date? It was just there's nothing that I could say on camera that would top what we were watching, you know, it was just such ridiculousness and people's people's interpretation of how they should act on television on a date. It was just incredible. And so for me to try to top that would have been a big mistake. So I came back usually did a quick look and got the hell out of there, because nothing was going to top it, they were doing. And one of the biggest thrill for by the way that, that could not have been easy because when you watch the shit that was going on back then, and you were so that show was so far ahead of its time now when people show up on TV and unscripted TV's, we know as most scripted bullshit, ever man, that show is different people were doing things back then that we're not done and for you to kind of lay out and let them do it. And then you. Get in wise, crack get an a good line or two. That was it was so tight. It was so good to watch. Thank you so much. And I met the Super Bowl this was down in San Diego. Okay. So we're down to San Diego doing the radio row thing that you're well aware of and I am doing I forget, what station I'm doing. But as I'm doing a radio hit Bob Costas walks into the room of radio. This is Bob freakin communists, you know and from across this giant convention center. Bob Costas, sees me and he starts walking towards me. And I'm looking for Ashton Kutcher because I'm thinking I'm being punked because wine the hell with Bob Costas know who the blind date dude is Bob walks right up to me. Okay. And I finished my radio hit and he says, Roger, I'm Bob Costas, very nice to meet you, and I just want to tell you that my stepson a night, watch your dating show every single night. And the way you host it is absolutely brilliant. It's genius the way you. Just set those people up and get out of the wick, this is Bob caused crime hosting that's incredible. It was unbelievable. That's incredible. I mean for one thing for him to know you and say, I love your show, but for, for Bob costs to say it's brilliant, the way you set them up and stay out of the way and do what you do. That's the highest praise imaginable. Can I tell you what Bob Costas just all the time in the world for it? You get here's the thing. I'm in Cooperstown New York last summer. When Vladimir Guerrero became the first angel to be inducted into the baseball hall of fame. I know the Bob's going to get an award that same weekend. I have a fifteen year old son, who I think is Jake Jake terror your boys, fakes it shakes eighteen eighteen. Okay. So, so my son's little younger than your boy, Jake. So we go to the induction ceremonies with the angels sent this there. It was just an unbelievable fantasy weekend. So I know cost it's going to be there. My son Peyton wants to be the next Bob Costas. Right. So he's telling me all weekend long. He's saying, well, dad, you know, Bob Costas, right. I see his name in your phone. Can you hook it up? And I get a picture with them. Can I meet my hero? Bob Costas pressures on now. I got this done. So I start texting Bob. I'm getting nothing back and three or four days. Go by Bob Costas is basically stiffen these big time in me. Right. We get to the hall of fame and cost has this unbelievable speech. He was just unreal. His speech was so brilliant. So after his speech and after he gets the Ford Frick award. We go to the baseball hall of fame. I'm in the baseball hall of fame in Cooperstown. New York Costas has now I'm I've worked my way with my son. I'm about, oh, about twenty feet from Bob Costas. I'm standing talking to Dennis cool. Who's the chairman all those baseball and I'm also talking to Raleigh fingers and stand cast in who runs. That's the kind of conversations you have cash that right? So I'm standing there. And my son is nudging me saying dad, Gary, as Mr Costa's is twenty. Feet from us. Can you get him over here? And I'm thinking, wait a minute. Now I'm gonna look like a complete jackass because I've been texting Bob and he's big time may I got no shot with caused his ear. What am I gonna do remind him who I am? You know what Dan hacks, that he's been deleting cost his turns, and he sees me? I swear to you to Pistol Pete who is my God. This is a true story cost us notices me does the cartoon double-take he stops his conversation with Greg GAM singer, from the MLB network. And he comes walking directly to me. He stops remind reminding you now we're standing in the middle of the baseball hall of fame and cost us says, may I have your attention, please. This is a special night in Cooperstown. Roger lives from blind date is with us that we could call Bob right now. And he could confirm that story, I believe that's for rentable and made me a hero with my son. It's a night. I and my son will never. Forget, he's incredible ops. The past what rates are so good on that is so good. A listen as any coach Jim, we'll tell you the foundation of any great team is great talent. We know this. So it's no surprise that teams dedicate so much time and effort towards finding that talent the same rule applies. When it comes to hiring, you need top talent. 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Roger, what possessed you to put that dude on your show I in the limo for two guys in the history of line day? One was Ryan Seacrest. And the other was J freaking Stu. But Jim, you think I got where I am because I'm talented. No. I got this. I kind of get it. I get how the business works. And I knew that if I if I brought Seacrest on, I was going to get a lot of play you are Jim Rome. It's the Jim Rome show. I got J stew on blind date. You don't think you guys are going to have some fun with that in eight hundred sixty five markets, you're in. So that's what we did. And J Stu. Let's face it. He brought something to the table, this guy. He brought it during his voice you get to that point. Let me take you back. Now, this was three months before the episode aired you came in studio, and you'd. You did a prescreen interview a stew. Here's a clip from that day, sixteen years ago, I want you to listen to this so before Roger lodge conduct say small and brief interview Ajay's do let's do what's your reaction to all this? You give kind of a mixed sampling of he's going to bring it to. He's going to flame. Spectacularly stu. Are you going to pull this off? I'll tell you what I'm going to pull it off. In the reason why I came in today's because I sense that Roger is losing faith in me. And I, I wanted to go on the year and dispel all the rumors. I'm not looking to get on the show and be a jackass, and I'm not looking to go on the show and quote, lay the hammer, I'm looking to fall in love. I'm trying to meet looking for that special someone. I'm trying to meet the girl of my dreams Salish is packed his right up. He just said that he's had sixteen hundred dates in only one couple of gotten married but you were looking to fall in love. Hey, why do people play the lotto Romi? You know what I mean? There's a one Jillian chance. But that one person that wins or thrilled. They did it. So Jay Stu comes into comes on blind date. And he. The find that special someone he's going to be Dan. Glad he did Jay Stu. What is the number one thing, the number one your biggest turnoff in a woman, I think any woman that walks with a wimp is a turn off to me. All right. So Roger before we go to what would actually happen to the episode. What was your reaction to that? We still feel good about that. You remember. What was going through your mind after the pre interview? Yeah. I knew the J Stu was going to bring it because there are certain gamers. They're just guys you turn the lights on and things are going to go. Well, you want J stew in that situation was like giving the ball to Leonard with ten seconds left on the clock. Something good is going to happen. And that's exactly what happened in L. Never forget, as long as I live, Jim. How about the moment, let me take you back. Jay, Stu goes up his date. He goes to pick up his date. And by the way, you don't think I went out of my way to find J Stu a very attractive young lady of Gore's like did. So he shows up to pick up his gal she comes out, and they start to head to that Ford Expedition that every fricken date or on blind date. Drove so anyway, that come out to their for he stops. He stops for a moment and says to his day. Oh, hold on a second. Honey, I wanna make sure I got enough cabin. For tonight and he pulls out a wad of literally ten thousand dollars when we had a nice close up of that only Jason could pull that off any pulled it off. Masterfully. All right. So that was not the only thing he did though. So the episode airs in may of two thousand three and in effect. The guy shows up as just a jackass that he promised. He would not be if you have not seen the episode or you do not remember, the episode Alvin has put together a quick montage of what happened. You have problems with dry skin, a lot of my life. And my dermatologist told me that Americans have dry skin, and other countries that they've once or twice a week. So then their skin naturally moisturizes, their skin gross. I I go three and four days without bathing showering, or soaping. Isn't that something you want it? Well. Gift three reasons why man gets married, probably first and foremost is security number two is to have a life partner. And number three is. Somebody to get you your beer. That's close there. The second one nine Jerry chips, you got there. What about the boy? It's pretty friendly doing just whether here goes wrong. You don't just you can't find this. And women think that sexy. Why why why why why why, why why, why? It looks like three boilers. Jason is on my type Nydia. And I don't ever want to see him again. No second date, one of the gray. Posts state wrap-ups of all time, radical sixteen years later, when you hear that what kind of thoughts you had that. That it was probably top three greatest dates of all time, and without question, blind date, hall of fame material, just absolutely fantastic television. All right. That was so great now you would come on this show, and you would come on my chair, I be show on ESPN and men. And there's so many great conversations. We had nobody likes a cheapskate Roger nobody no names mentioned tiger. Woods, Scottie Pippen, and everybody else that you expose back in the day, while on GRIB do you, remember this? Raj completely inappropriate. Guys. I was awaited for fifteen years. You see me running around on TV calling out the bad tippers in this town. I would never want to call out. I would never want to call out and barest guys like Don Cornelius unfold train. I'm not that kind of guy. Okay. We'll say something new. It was not the right venue to call out Pistol Pete for his tipping etiquette. Completely inappropriate, by the way towards Thurs. Good terrible tippers. All right. So to the best of your knowledge did any of these people learn there? Lesson and learn to shake themselves, and do the right thing. Probably not over the years because Jimmy, and we've talked about this before I was a waiter for fourteen years in southern California going on auditions after audition after audition, and I can tell you the best tippers. We just lost one of the all-time, great tippers recently when Tim Conway passed away, one of the greatest tippers of all time Jay Leno unbelievable Tipper Richard Simmons. We would fight over Richard Simmons when he came into Santa Pietro's up on the top of air Beverly Glen in Mulholland Drive up in BelAir. It was one of the most spectacular places ever. They all came in there. So I can tell you, the greatest tippers and the worst. I just did years ago, Don Cornelius, and George Thorogood. He was bad to the bone with his. And then, of course you had well, you know, I'm gonna stop there because I don't want to go on and on. And tell you what a horrible Tipper Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was that was awful. Do I'm ROY surprised to hear that. Surprised to hear that? Do you know? Do you know that I grew up in Beverly Glen park? Yes. So right there. Do you remember the Glenn center? Joe? That's why I brought it up. And I worked at a restaurant called Santa pitch Vanna white boyfriend Jorge Santos premature was the owner of the restaurant and everybody came up there. Jim, I could tell you store it. I would I only a story, I'm writing a memoir. It's called confessions of a Hollywood gypsy, because Jim, I have done every job there is known in this business. I was a stand in for John stamos back in the day, working on a sitcom where I would be on stage every single night doing scenes. With Jack Klugman to set for camera blocking, I'm on. I'm working with Jack Klugman. I mean he was just unbe. What was he like he was amazing and nobody out? We know when we started here, I talked about the fact that no one's going to out work you and we know, guys in this business who are like us skip Bayless. No one's going to out work grind. Bayless. He's a grinding works. Jack Klugman from the. Odd couple in from Quincy. I mean this guy was a EMMY award winner. Great story, John stamos, and I are we're in the business because we're trying to meet girls let's face it. This is, you know, we're in our early twenty s about you guys, you guys were very close, then instill are now you got to have roommates for more than ten years at thirteen years. Yeah, he was a John stamos a big big baseball fan. He walked in my room when morning, there was ice used to have a big poster of Babe Ruth above my bed. This is how much Johnny knows about sports. He walks in. There's the poster the Bambi. No. And he says do why do you have that poster Willie? Mays your bad. There you go. John stamos. But here's a quick story on Jack Klugman stainless, and I in the commerce, here we go out to lunch, and we come back, and we walked through the stage that is completely dark and because everyone's out to lunch, and it's a completely dark stage and we hear this crashing of glass, and we go over the c o o something fell someone's going to his cost in the production company, a lot of money. It's jack. Klugman on a dark set working on a little piece of physical comedy, everyone else's out to lunch and they're having a great time. Here's a guy that won ten EMMY awards is on the set during his lunch break working to perfect a move of physical comedy. Jim, whether it's this business show business, you don't get great by accident. Who works the hardest. Oftentimes of the guys who succeed for the longest so well said, all right before you go Roger, and I could do this all day long. One of the things that you did back in the day, you would host the jungle. Yeah. When I went to the basement, that is not an easy gig because the clones are not easy to deal with. And you know, this me, give me an example. Go back go back a decade two thousand eight you did the show and then I came back the next day I wanted to hear this phone call that I took from guy named Kevin in Tampa. Check this out. Kevin in Tampa. Good. Have you Kevin? What's up? How are you? Are you doing, great, first of all, I just like to say what have you packed? I was tired of hearing Roger lodge verbally, make love the patriots and make out with Tom Brady's. Butthole. Why can't believe Iran that guy? I ran that guy. It's been a long time, but I think the I oh you the right to respond to that guy who accused you of making out with Tom Brady's butthole, if you'd like to if you're a regular listener the sports lodge in southern California on AM eight thirty home of your halos. Tom Brady is clearly my man crush. That's the guy and think about what he's gone through in his career. I mean, different different players, every single year that, you know, the way the NFL is set up. Now, the fact that this guy has been able to do what he's been able to do with so many different running back, so many different wide receivers and him and Bella check what they've done in today's National Football League is so extraordinarily enough cannot be said about my Tommy, it's just unbelievable. He's still say something you out in front of that. Preach. And by the way that call did not age. Well at all. I got your back on that. Hey, now contractors can rely on Ferguson to provide a winning game plan for any job. Any day, and thanks to their pro pickup service. You can choose from thousands of products to order, online, and pick up in store, which makes doing business with Ferguson. The easiest part of your day. Before becoming a legend, in the entertainment game you a legend of so Cal hoops, you dominated as a guard. It's Rados high school. You wrote riding coattails was none other than my man, Ben Howland back in the day, Joe gigs -actly when he was assistant at UC Santa Barbara, he goes on to UCLA leads him to three final fours Benz, intense. Now, what was Ben like back, Dan? And how was his game, then would give me rides home in his GRANDE Torino? He was he kind of saw a young version of himself in me. Ben was a senior at torito's high school when I was a freshman and I was good enough to play on the JV team. And they'd bring me up for tournaments because like shoot the ball Jim, I always and anyway, so Ben was absolutely another guy. Nobody got the practice earlier and no one left later than Ben Howland. The guy put in the work and to watch him, go to three straight final fours with UCLA. And now he's at Mississippi Mississippi State doing a terrific job. To answer your question. What was he like, nobody worked harder than Ben Howland? Because this guy got further with less talent than any basketball player I've ever seen. The guy was lights out mid range, and he played defense every single possession and been been hit hard as hard as anyone. I've seen play the game. He was fierce right now Roger before you go. Finally, you're a game show guy. He didn't go good host one game show. Currently airing or otherwise. What would it be? I think I'd go prices, right? I think that before they rolled withdrew I was out on the road hosting the prices right lie. What was that like is unbelievable? 'cause Jimmy, no. I'm a people person. I'm working with the angels now on AM eight thirty one of my favorite three or four times a year. I host a thousand screaming passionate angel fans we sit in the upper deck. Run, man. It is a kid. I'm a people person. I love people in the price is right. You know, the contestants are so energized and everyone's all fired up in thrilled to be there. I think it would. Be the price is right. I think so. One last night. And one of my favorite shows, you tell me if I'm wrong, it was such a good show that when I showed old clips on YouTube to my kids, they loved it when I may Janet, watch it who's not really the game show person. She loved it show pressure luck oh, the original pressure long now when they brought back the other one that was so great because it always came down to the last spin was legit. I love that show. You know you would have been a good game show host. I think there's still time. We gotta find a gay man for Jim would you love to do the hell, yes? Okay. You know. Yes. And we, we've been talking about what a grind this business is where do you go from here? Are you doing the ultimate gig or where give me one thing that you have not done that you would still sound like every producer I've ever spoken this conversation we have quite a bit? I mean you're right. It's, it's a really good question. And people have asked me that, you know because of this grind. I love this show. I love the franchise everything I have is because of this radio program, but when you've done this twenty five plus years, where do you go from here? The honest answer is. Is a love to hit another home run. I'd love to reinvent. I'd love to reimagined. I'm not exactly sure what that is. I don't know if that's I want to keep doing this as long as I possibly can. But I want to do something different. I wanna stretch a little bit. And I really don't know exactly what that answer. Is is it digital is it something live. Is it a game show? I don't know. But as soon as you come with that answer feed, it's me, gave Bill to answer the question, let me turn this around before I get at here. Let me this around a little bit the guests that walks through this door. You know, he's on his way here, you can't wait for him to show up because it's always good. Who is it? Steve Elkington is a real good guy from me. And the reason I say that is elk knows the show and elk is just dangerous enough that the stakes are high. Now you do this for a living. You know what? It's like the interview guys, the normally don't have anything to say don't wanna put themselves out there L is still my guy because year in a year out he delivers and he's a little bit dangerous a little bit dangerous Willie Mays did not go. Well for me. Give me the guests that did not go. Well. Kareem, Kareem, Kareem. I've told this story before Roger really quickly. So when I hosted talked to on ESPN, two TV break more Shapiro who's gone on to run the world was the producer and no matter who came through that door. He would pre interview the guest and I'd say, how was the guest and he inevitably he would always say he loves you? He can't wait to be on. He's a huge fan. No matter what when it wasn't always true. Not everybody's happy to see you, you know this. Right. So this went on month after month after month same stock answer he loves you. He wants to be here. He couldn't wait to do the program. He loves the show cream comes in. And I know that. Just seem weird to be like, why is he doing this show? This is not an easy show for anybody to do. I said Shapiro. So how is he he was good luck with that one boy? And so I go in the green room and I sit down just me and him me and cream high cream Jim Rome, ROY nice to meet you. I'm so glad you here. Thanks for coming. Do you have any questions? Can I help you with anything? Just looks me doesn't even respond. Wow. Just looks at me. I said, is there something that you wanna talk to me about before we do this? You. Okay. Do I need to walk you through any of this didn't even respond? Just looked at me. The weirdest most bizarre thing ever. I mean that made the Everett interview seem like a walk in the point is Alec doing now. Go out on set for forty one minutes to talk to this guy can I just tell you something before I get out? Yes, I never told you before when you were doing the talk show on ESPN two. Okay. When you were doing on the same may was on that little lot in Hollywood. They're all it would invite production or the production group, you're doing that show, right next door was another little building. I was hosting a show. Call the scifi vortex. Yes. I know it was like the entertainment tonight of science fiction, by the way, me doing a scifi show. I had no business doing that back, man, I walk I walk in the first day of the shooting, Mike. Okay. Who's this Yoda guy, what does he do not all about? So, so anyway. So I was hosting this little scifi show, right next door to where you were hosting. I used to sneak in and watch you host that show I learned from you, and I started by saying that I've studied your career, I think you're amazing you one of the all time greats in this business. So. So I think you for having me here today, and I thank you for all of the kindness. You have showed me and my family throughout the years. Jim. You're awesome. Sri friend, dude. I appreciate saying that again. It was so unnecessary. But you are an all time favorite. You are one of my personal and professional favorites. And this was such a blast man. You still bring the energy still bring the heat we still hilarious guy. And you've had an amazing career Roger to SOGA to see when I appreciate you and the friendship very very much again. Thank you. Very much honored to be here. It is summertime Henley till you the most annoying thing right now are flies and insects, invading, your home. I know I speak from experience. And let's talk about those flies, the one that just landed in your soup it could've been anywhere from another piece of food to. Well, just think about it. 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Dive down, jungle memory lane dam, that was a blast make sure to let him know how much you enjoyed that hit him up on Twitter. He's at Roger lodge seven at Roger lodge, seven, make sure you hit a motto loved because he loves you. Clones and while I'm barking out marching orders. Make sure you also hit the subscribe button. So this podcast can find you every single week. When I post a new one that way you never miss one or you waste any time looking for it. It's going to find you instead and if you have a second, please leave review on itunes that helps out and I appreciate it so much. We're back next week with episode Eighty-three but until then here or your voicemails. I knew message aerodrome. It's Roger for a Texas just call it. You know, I, I really enjoyed the podcast with Bill hater. I, I love the show. Berry more people should watch that shows a great show anyway. That's all I got for you. Yeah. Have a good one. 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But I held off purposely, because well, Virginia Beach is on with us on Saturday nights, not Friday nights, so wanted to make sure we had this conversation while the station W an IS great talk radio station. There in Virginia Beach Virginia is, is on board with us. So obviously, there was a shooting with. In the last, what twenty four or forty eight hours, something like that sometime yesterday. I think it was at the end of the workday yesterday, basically, I don't have the time. Well, I think that according to this story here at pilot online dot com. It was yeah it was the end of the day. Okay on Friday. So folks were close to four o'clock, I guess, folks were getting ready to leave leave the office. Now these aren't your typical offices. This was a city building that got shot up this place. That, that give out permits and water usage plans. All that stuff where bureaucrats are milling about doing all matter of unimportant things that, that you are forced to pay for. And it turns out the guy shot him up, actually was one of their own civil engineer year. I don't even want to call it a veteran fifteen. Okay, according to pilot online dot com eighteen year. Maybe it's more may maybe they meant to say more than fifteen good. Okay. Anyway, I don't use it. You wanted to share a story about this? So please, go read a story from CNN. I don't know that how you know, everybody's looking for answers right now. So Friday's massacre is the deadliest in the United States this year adds to its the city to a grim list of places impacted by deadly mass shootings. City miniature Dave Hansen, said that eleven city employees were killed wasn't the guy in remember the California shooting a few years ago, and I forget the name of the city, but there was a gentleman a lady, I think who went in and shot up some bureaucrat offices. Weren't wasn't one of them an employee there, too, as I recall. But I couldn't tell Brennan Dino. That's where it was. I feel like that person was also a, a city worker. So it's interesting when you see the government bureaucrats going after their own. Because normally you would expect the city government was gonna push somebody over the edge with all of its stupid permits and all of its threats and violence that they use against us. That's certainly happened. And it could be the case here. We don't know at this point. He's a worker. It's speculation that this point to to determine we don't know his motivation. We don't I'm just saying it's you know, he's a worker for the government. Right. So it's one of their own not somebody that they've been pushing around just like your typical victim of the government. Well, I don't know. Maybe maybe he's trying to get something done at a particular location as house can't get it done. Feels like he's been treated badly. I don't know the answer. You're speculating, yeah. Well, maybe it's maybe it's just that he's got some kind of labor dispute some, I don't know. Maybe somebody out there knows this guy because we are does did they get his about that to a guy who's, you know, says, he's quiet, but that he was doing the same thing. He normally do does on Friday morning brushing his teeth in the. The employee bathroom and guy comes up next to him washes, his hands says, hey, how you doing? He said he was at work that day. He's doing okay. And he says, what are you gonna do this weekend? He says you got any plans for this week. And he says. No. And that's the end of the conversation killer. Asking do you have plans or being asked the question? This is somebody who was alive to give a report to news, media and police about the killer's behavior. No, no. But the bathroom situation was that the killer, who was asking brushing his teeth. Okay. The killer said, no, he had no plans. Okay. Sorry wasn't clear what because he just going to shoot people. Yeah. And die. So it was says that he had a, a rifle there was a rifle found on site. There are two forty fives that he had with extended magazines according to this, I don't know what extended magazine is entirely and. He had other weapons at the house. So I don't know how relevant that is, if you intend to go into killing spree, you'll leave weapons of the house, I don't know why that's particularly relevant. But it's true. According to this, the weapons were bought legally. So I don't know that he's concealed carry permit holder, which, of course, brings concealed carry permit holders numbers continues to they continue to come in as some of the safest people on the planet. No doubt. So I don't have much else to say about it other than it's, it's a tragedy. It's a shame. I would like to know more about what his motive was. They're not. They're not giving his name often. Although we do have it. You have it. Yeah. I've got a same says here. Arthur Felton, that's not his name. No, no names critic. Oh. I'm sorry. Yeah. You're right. I was reading the wrong part about the eighteen years, you probably heard about the fifteen years. Yeah. So, right. So I don't know what Radic critic and Dwayne critic. Okay. I don't know anything else about him, but Wayne. W. A Y, N, E Doreen, Dwayne critic with a c. Yeah. They've hunted around on him. But the guy was, you know, didn't have a lot to hunt around on they, they found his civil engineer license, and he used to work prior to like fifteen years. He worked for a local organization that was it. So there's not much to say about it other than it's sad. He added security pass. So he was able to go from office to office shooting people. Unlike your average person who might have gone to a city all government buildings have security at the front checking people with, you know, whatever. But that's not going to stop us a madman from coming in and shooting. The securities of you know, crew or just waiting on the parking lot of at four o'clock, they're all going to come out and get in there and try to get in their cars. You get a whole group of them there, so they can try to increase security at the government building. But that's not gonna alternately do anything against somebody determined to take some people out. The presumption. Is that somehow we are less safe than the government employees, or we would have greater reason or something like that. I don't know. I can't I can't speak to any of those. But in this case, it was a government employee and he had a pass and used it. Yeah. Now, another possibility is the ever present sort of antidepressants thing, you know, people that there, there's either people or killing people because they're depressed or they're killing people because they take these, these up to serotonin uptake inhibitor or whatever the hell are called. I mean, I'm I'm not an expert in this, but that those things have been associated with the past could be that might not know if if you, you know, maybe, you know, a little bit more, maybe you're living in Virginia Beach. And you are connected to the situation in some way. Perhaps you are this guy's neighbor. I mean we run the air there and WFAN says a big audience, if you wanna weigh in, you're certainly, welcome to do, so at eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five. Four five zero three seven three three. Let's go to Anne. She's in Arizona. Any you're on free talk live with Mark. And unless you're teasing the and calling me, any okay kiss. My great, great grandfather was there, since phone sort of didn't know. Go ahead. You're on the air. I have been researching of the mass shootings. I've worked many of the school shootings or thirty years. When you say you work them, you mean you've you've been on the scene, or you just have researched them extensively. I was a bird in. A case that was filed against the drug companies for causing Columbine. One of the big. Yeah, there were five families that we're ready to join with him, but after they were threatened by the drug company, they backed off. So anyway, so I've worked many that way, I've been testifying in these cases for years. And there's so much that happens in court to the general public is totally unaware of like, what kind of things have been Curtis. Well, like we've got a memo from the head scientist at eat y lilies with the first one of these out Prozac, and when their own scientists came to them and said, well, we've got a problem here because it looked like Prozac is actually caused me to. And he actually sent a memo back. Prizes me so there is a paper trail. Hold on. Any will finish the story about this Prozac guy talking about causing suicide and possibly other homicidal aspirations more coming up free talk live. Hi, I'm Derek J. I don't want a politician to represent. 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We're talking about the shooting that happened in Virginia Beach e yesterday afternoon as bureaucrats at the city building, one of the city buildings we're getting ready to leave work. One of their coworkers. Apparently, Wayne critic came in and, or maybe he was already there and just started shooting people, I guess, and now apparently thirteen are dead as a result of this. Well, that's he's one of them. Oh, is that right? Okay. Yeah. I'd heard something about that eleven city employees, obviously, it was only eleven okay gunman. And then a contractor, I see. It was just they are trying to get a permit, you know. Yep. That's what she give for trying to get apartment. I guess. Well, please. I mean you've got to get a permit if you want to build or else men with guns, we'll come and shoot you down, right? Well, probably not immediately. Well, they will threaten you. If they find out that you're working without their permission, slip. And then if you continue to work without permission slip, they will send men with guns to stop you from doing that at some point, and that edifice that you're building, I suppose, don't stop there gonna pull their guns out on you. Ultimately, there is no law without force without deadly force. You mean backing it according to the story Howard hit back to your calls as well? Toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free. There's another CNN piece that interviewed some of his neighbors, and they say that he kept to himself, we can tell you a little bit more about. Apparently he had a military passed. So yet another Madge shooter trained by the government, if you want to reach people with the ideas of liberty, you can do it from the back of your car with liberty stickers dot com can reach thousands of people with a bumper sticker. And you know, people love to read them. So check out the best selection of witty, poignant pithy and downright bombastic. Liberty oriented messages available over. Liberty stickers dot com as we continue. You with an in Arizona. And you said you were actually a court witness an expert witness in the one of the Columbine cases where parents were attempting to sue the medical companies that had manufactured the what was it s are is that the, the shooters were were taking and you were you were beginning to tell us kind of, like some of the behind the scenes or story from that if you could quickly recap for our listeners just tuning in. Okay. Yes, we had a, my mom would that we were able to use an court where he lied, lillies main. Scientists went to the head scientists for ally. Lily and said, we've got a problem here because it appears the Prozac is actually causing suicide and the memo, he's sent back to them was, we cannot afford to lose Prozac just put about the side effects list. Yeah. Well, he said, you're gonna need to tell them that the suicide is coming from the underlying depression. This is that before testimony in court. Yes. Yes, it was. And there's been many wrongful death cases settle. Well, now we don't know if this person in this case was actually on these drugs. There's no evidence of that. But we have about a clues, the neighbor said that he was up most of the night. He would hear him up. You cannot sleep on antidepressants ruin, and then I'm not on antidepressants, but I'm regularly up till three AM. So I don't know. I mean that's a nine to five job with for the city. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Says he left at seven AM in the morning. So, yeah, that's not a whole lot of sleep. I'll tell you one thing, I've had a lack of sleep. And it made me go insane. So that could be a factor here to. He's not getting enough sleep. Anybody knows that if you cannot sleep, you will go psychot- it, absolutely. So, and it's because what happens is your Rhames deletes, your dream state of sleep, your body will force you into that, while you're awake to compensate for not being able to the brim while you're actually asleep. And that's one of the first things they saw with these drugs, is that it would repress rim fleets. So you can if you have the problem before thinks the military, giving something It's still would indicate that, that would be a reason why a doctor with his him when drug. 'cause they often, give them a sleeping pill, which is insane. But you just said that you can't sleep when you're on the end depressants. Why would a that prescribe for that reason? Marketing. I mean that's more marketing than research. Yeah. It's a pretty jaded view of what a doctor would be doing for his patient. But I guess not on impossible. That's not that the doctor would know if the doctor hasn't seen the research he's not going to know that you can believe the drug reps that come suit. Your says this is great for sleep. So anyway, there's another case that happened in Wyoming. This is the case, I worked for three years worked with Jerry spent for a while until Jerry decided to retiring. He's the one that was interviewed so much during the day, Simpson trial, the weather data Alpilles. What happened in Wyoming by what happened? There was an elderly man took two doses of an antidepressant over date. Date. After the second dose. He got up the following morning thought of wife daughter, who is visiting along with her baby. Jeez. And then himself in that case to doses read company expert, testified that what should be expected because of the way these drugs affects serotonin level is impulsive, murder suicide should be expected. Yes, while it's horrifying and scary stuff. Thank you for calling, and sharing your expertise, with us here tonight on this topic. I definitely appreciate hearing from you. The toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three just horrifying. Yeah. I, I cannot stunned by hearing all these things. It's, it's hard to imagine. But I, I don't know how everybody thinks she can somehow, you know, essentially plan society based on these sort of outlying situations that are probably done by crazy people, or people that are, you know, harmed by these drugs, or whatever. I don't know how you do that. What are we taking away, everybody's rights because somebody does some something crazy. I guess that's the idea. Let's talk to Shawn. He is in Chesapeake Virginia listening to w NIS. Hello, Sean, you're on free talk live. Hi. How you doing? Hey, you're on the air doing good. I just like to confirm, what that Lee just said about the Prozac, I had a friend who battled depression for about twenty years, but never took any medication or thought any professional help, and he went to see or you know, professional psychiatrists. And they put them on Prozac within two weeks. He lined his living room with plastic and Louis head off. Oh my God. Yeah. He battled it for twenty years without the dry. Never came close to that was on Prozac for two weeks, though. Yeah. It, you know, just my layman's guests on this is that the brain is so complicated. When we throw in these chemicals in some cases, they're bound to work. In other cases, they seem to cause catastrophic problems. John, thanks for calling to share that with us really. Appreciate hearing from you as well. The toll free number here is eight fifty four fifty free. We have time for you. If you want to join us comment on these antidepressants. We're these affecter in the shooting in Virginia. We don't know at this point or is he just mad at his coworkers. There's more coming up here. It's free talk. Lot on free talk live. We're bringing people to the ideas of liberty every day from wrestling superstars like klenge Jacobs. You guys really are having an impact. 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Magic mud dot com D Wayne Craddock is the per purported shooter that tact the city hall in Virginia Beach, or one of the city municipal buildings shooting, roughly a dozen people apparently and then ending up being killed himself by a shootout with police. There's a new story at CNN talking about, well, you know, who was this guy. Apparently he worked in the public utilities department with the city there for about fifteen years listed on department news releases as. Point of contact for information on local road projects over the past several years before working with the city, he was project manager for Virginia based engineering firm and had a bachelor's degree in civil engineering, and also spent some time in the national guard can April of nineteen ninety six was assigned to the first battalion one hundred eleven th field. Artillery, regiment, at cetera et cetera was parts. Let's see discharged in April of two thousand two so he was national guardsmen for six years, held the rank of specialist at the time. No corporal, no overseas deployments. According to his records his parents say they weren't aware of any trouble that he had been having with his employer. How their life is turned upside down right now. Basically has no criminal history except for a minor motor vehicle. Infraction in twenty thirteen. So neighbors say that he had three security setup and a pair of windows looking out onto the grassy com apartment complex, Clarisa. Morale each twenty to live next door to say that again about the security, I didn't really had what appeared to be, according to clarify his next door neighbor. Three security cameras set up in a pair of windows looking out onto the grassy apartment complex. She said she had arrived home Friday night when police launched flash bangs at his apartment heard an officer over a loudspeaker saying step out with your hands up. I guess they were looking for others. Maybe that seems like a strange thing to do. When you already killed the guy earlier in the day, possibly, the he went back to his apartment and they had the gun gun battle there. I thought I thought you had told me that it was at the bureau bureaucracy at the building. There's so many Marie. At this point lived in the apartment for only two years, but only remembered interacting with chronic wants a few months ago. Craddock was in front of his apartment with two other people smoking, what smelled like marijuana. See, that's what did it markets. The, the marijuana craze, well, seems unlikely nuts highly unlikely, he says, she says he kept called me. He said, oh, hey girl, how you doing stuff like that? I was intimidated by him. I know when I'm uneasy about people. Another neighbor told CNN Phileas that the gunman kept to himself and was always in and out of his apartment with book bag said you heard him walking around would drop stuff at, like two AM me, and my roommate would try to figure out what he was doing. The neighbors said who lived below, Mr. critic didn't engage in much talk outing in quote the year. I've been there we've had maybe three conversations and that's about it. I know what Jim he goes to, and that's about it. So says, quote, I never saw him take the trash out. Never saw him bring groceries in never saw people coming in or. Going out. He kept to himself, we go to your calls, and your thoughts. You can bring them what you want. Your Keith is in Virginia Beach listening on W Hallo, Keith. I'm, I'm actually about twenty miles away from where it happened, not in the in the city. But thanks for taking my call. You're closer than anyone else. Who's called so far tonight? So welcome, what's on your mind? Thank you, the same topic. And, and like, Tracy, who you just spoke to I've actually known her for fifteen years, and she's really solid and her what she's done? And that was an who called earlier. Okay. Gotcha. I didn't know what her lists like Tracy. Yeah. She's she's been on some other interviews fours, and some other, too. But, you know, guns even tonight Corey book, Cory Booker, for example, you know, the guns get blamed the NRA gets playing the second amendment gets blamed veterans. Get blamed Republicans get blamed even President Trump gets blame for what government proved prescription mind. Altering drugs are causing in so many cases. So you believe this guy was on antidepressants? I don't know. But because so many of them are, for example, the school shootings that amd Blake Tracy is research. You said all of them have were. On them. She's featured in the, the, the only exceptions to that, that she can conclusively say, is that two of them. She wasn't able to get information from the police investigators or autopsies, or whatever as far as what, you know, medications they were on, if they were on anything and in since she didn't have that information. She can't, you know, say in those to all the other school shootings. They were and the other thing is that what's in in. You can read about a lot of these cases. S SRI stories dot net. S. S R, I story, stop Ned, where she's just chronicle thousands of them. You know, over the last thirty years, in, in actually Karrar website, drug, awareness dot org. Now on her board was Candace, pert PHD, who had told time magazine. I'm alarmed at the monster. I created referring to Prozac she was a co creator of Prozac can't per she passed away recently. But, but yeah, that's another addition witness of what amd Blake Tracy saying is correct. And wrote a book, many years ago and recently updated called Prozac panacea or Pandora. But it's really important that everybody know that the, you know, the, there's a greater risk violence from these medications when people do any kind of withdrawal, or changes they can off to be more dangerous. Than just staying on the medication though, you know, be very, very careful. She actually is also an expert and helping people get off of the medications safely, even better than what, you know, mainstream doctors anybody else is is able to do because they don't really understand. She said, how these drugs work, they just go by what? You know, big farmer sales, people, tell them that's pretty scary. So, yeah. It's, it's really important that, if starving stopping changed doses combined with other drugs alcoholic center that people really be careful about that. And you can consult her website, Juerg, awareness dot org. For information on that, too key. Thank you for calling a share that with us tonight. I definitely predate hearing from you. The toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free. Let's go to Barry marriages jumped off the line. Toll free number eight five five four five zero three seven three three. Yeah. I mean it's I it for one. It may some may say it's you're responsible for us to just suggest reasons for this sort of thing happening. But I would hope that they would say it's equally irresponsible for the democratic candidates for president to be coming out with solutions to the gun problem on right on the back of this, at the same time, that's to be expected. Yeah, well, it's certainly what happens every single time. I like. I got an Email here from Marianne Williamson, who's running for president, and she's got a list of things that she's going to do it. Looks like about. She going to put a stop to this. She's got a seven point plan. All right. Let's hear about it. Coming up here in moments your calls and thoughts. Also, welcome our number for you. 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You can learn about those at amp AMP amp dot freetalklive dot com. Mark, I know you want to get into the seven point plan by a democratic candidate Marianne Williamson what she plans to do. About guns. But first, we go to your phone calls and thoughts here. Let's start with Dennis. He's in Myrtle Beach listening to W, R N. N Hello Dennis. Yes, sir. I appreciate what you guys, do, I listen to you every Saturday. Thank you. I just wanted to make a comment about that Phil. That called about the Cory Booker jumping on the bandwagon against the NRA and. Those people the police officers that, that went in and took care of that shooter. I mean they were great. But, but I know that was a no shootings zone whenever the government or state offices are no firearm zone. And if there have been a couple of people in there with our second amendment rights it had guns. They might have been able to save even more life, then that was only comment I wanted to make. But I really appreciate, I'm glad you brought that up because it was one of the few that we had not yet made on this, this situation. It's like a typical thing that should be said. So I'm glad that you did point that out is a lot of these shootings. You know, a lot of times they go on in schools where it's also a gun free zone. And this is also likely a gun free zone. I don't know how much security, they have at the, you know, like the ground floor level of the, you know, the building, not all government buildings have security. It depends on what town, you know, you're in what state like here in Keene, New Hampshire. There's no security whatsoever in, in these government buildings except for courthouses and jails. But beyond that, you can just waltz right in anywhere. And I think that's, that's a good thing. I don't want to have to pass through a metal detector before I you know, have to go into some government building, pay whatever tax. Yeah. So Dennis, thanks for calling in sharing that tonight. I would definitely predate here. In fact. Thank you Dennis toll free number here. Eight fifty five four fifty free. I mean Dennis is absolutely right. If people are free to carry guns, I'm sure Marianne Williamson whoever she is would disagree with this, but people are free to carry guns wherever they go. Then you've got a more safe society because there are likely people in the nearby vicinity who could respond much faster than a police officer could respond to that situation. The police have to get a call. The dispatch has to call out to the cars and one maybe nearby. And but, you know, by the time all that's happened, by the time that person that caught puts his car in gear and heads the direction of the, the shooting, there's already some several dead bodies on the ground. Right. And some people have analyzed this, and what they see is, is that when there is a concealed carry permit holder or a off duty police officers, something that's in the nearby vicinity, when something like this happens that not that the. That the situation doesn't occur. But that far fewer people are harmed and you'll find over and over and over again that these situations occur in gun free zones. Right. So I mean, are are lustrous politicians have done their, their duty in the writing down on a piece of paper that guns are simply not allowed here in this spot? Here you may not bring a gun. And of course, you may not shoot people not that they're having been laws against murder in this for two hundred and forty year. None of them have ever stopped a lunatic. Right. So laws bullets fly through paper, they just don't do anything. Let's talk to Richard. He's in New Mexico. Listening in Farmington to K. E N N. Go ahead. Richard. No, that the reasons all this is happening is as deficiency in lithium. It's a deficiency in lithium okay? Where do you get lithium? Prescription ground. Okay. All the supposed to eat. But if you have a shortage of lithium, you're gonna have violence, ten you're going to have all these. See, I've heard that people that are lithium are super crazy. Is that not is that, that in the case? I've heard that people that are taking lithium, you know, as part of like a prescription are like super nutso. Well, I don't know about that. All I know is the story to lithium the causes the holy. It's an interesting theory on this guy. He was on with you bet you bet. Thanks for the call tonight toll free numbers. Eight fifty five four fifty free. I mean, isn't lithium one of the things they prescribed to people who are like, super crazy. There's a minute makes them like even more crazy different between a drug and a dietary supple. I, I don't know. I've looked it up here, you know, it says that there is apparently problems with having too much lithium. And you know, I don't know. I mean I don't know everything about lithium by any stretch of the imagination. But I think there's an honest song about it. Let's continue here lithium in your blood, so that medicine can work. I dunno lithium is a treatment for bipolar disorder. Apparently, let's talk to David, he's in Myrtle Beach, David, you're on free talk live listening to WRR. Yes, sir. Dennis stole some of my thunder thunder about public buildings schools churches, any place, where people are gathering. I think that people that are in those organizations should be trained. Very thoroughly in the handling of firearms and be proficient at it, and also trained or talk to, and make sure are mental attitude is correct in their background checks, and all that stuff. And they should be armed people in schools, churches and public buildings that was one thing. Like I said, Dennis stole my thunder there, but the other thing is this when I was a child seventy one Vietnam veteran, I got a licensed to carry a New York state in nineteen sixty nine and Pataki and Schumer eventually I had a life. I'm Gary permit concealed carry permit and because the Schumer tacky they. Changed the rules and I can no longer carry legally in New York state. I reside in South Carolina now. And when I came here, I got a carry permit, I also have what they call a Utah carry permit, which allows you if you're licensed in the state you live in, you can get a non resonant Utah carry permit. You can carry a lot of different states that reciprocate South Carolina, most of your listeners out there. But I, I believe when I was child, I was taught no, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. No, sir. Yes, sir. I was taught to respect the forty I was taught to respect every single individual that walked the face of the earth, every person that walks to face the earth. I consider my brother and my sister. No, vape. Prove otherwise and then I just plant them. So I think that if, if the I know, a lot of teachers, and they say, there's no respect students have no respect for their authority. That's the biggest problem. I think it's the side today today and the prince of darkness rules, the world. And, and maybe we're coming towards the end time I don't know about that. I'm not religious, but I do know pensions darkness rules this world. Super religious, but you believe in the prince of darkness is that like Satan, when, is that, well, I believe if you believe in God, then you gotta believe Satan. That's just a Christian God, that's like the, you know, the, the, the daddy, God, or whatever I believe in a supreme, you know, universal force, but it doesn't necessarily mean there's like some evil devil creature. That's got a try pronged fork that he's, you know, cackling in some hell scape. Yeah. I mean God is just a belief in a creator. I mean, you know, somebody made my car that doesn't mean that somebody out there, you know, was the opposite of somebody who makes a car or whatever I kind of agree with it for saying that basically, there's definitely people in the world. That's true. That's true. I believe it comes from man. Peddlers and there's and there's a you know, Hitler's all the other demonic individuals the world center, so evil and I think we're gonna see that with by the question is, what do you do about it? David, thanks for the call tonight here we, you know, is it possible to reduce the evil in the world? It is free. Talk live. People love photography. But when we thought about photography, we realized one thing, humans are limited to looking at photos with our eyes. That's a problem. Right. So we made an app Hixon the first program that turns your photos into music, if you want to do that, for some reason, it puts the power in your hands, you get to decide why you need this. 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Eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. And we don't have the discord on air in line rooms, lie to call in sound almost like you're sitting here in the studio with us. It's Ian, and Mark in the last hour, we talked a lot about the Virginia Beach shooting the latest in a series of ongoing killings in the United States over time. We don't know all the details on this one, but some suggested maybe the SS are is the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors of leaves out right, that they may be playing a role because one researcher who called in the show in the last hour says she's looked at a lot of these school shooting cases and his found that, that's a pretty common link between the shooter's in those cases. Now, we don't know about the do Dwayne critic who is the lead shooter there in Virginia Beach having killed at. Least a dozen people at a government building. And apparently he was one of the government employees himself working for some engineering department of the bureaucracy that he murdered his co workers, but we're not really clear. What the reason was if there was one was he on these drugs, or was he just upset at working for a, you know, lifeless bureaucracy. I, I don't know. And if you know or if you haven't he's, you know, suggestions, or you want to weigh in here on this discussion. You're welcome to join us. Plus Mark, you got an Email from a presidential candidate. We'll get into here. She's got a seven point plan as to what she's wanting to do about guns, and we will get into that. Of course, you know, generally viewpoint here on free talk live is that more guns in the hands of good people who understand how to use them who've practiced for instance with, with them who've trained that more guns in people. Hands and in carried in purses, in the Smalls of backs and such kit concealed carry open. Gary, even will lead to likely viewer of these things happening, or if they do happen, fewer people being killed by the madman or mad mad teenager or madwoman or whoever it is usually doesn't seem to be women, though, that go on these less often doing sprees. So if you want to join us the toll free numbers, eight, fifty five four fifty free, and then somebody called in to say that he thought it was lithium that people need more lithium. And that, that's wise. It lithium deficiency says is what's causing this now, I don't know if you know that's true, but I didn't know whole lot about lithium. I remember hearing like people who are crazy. You know get put on lithium and don't necessarily get better. But a apparently the internet loves this stuff. I mean I was just looking for stories about lithium or kind of trying to find out about it, and apparently, it's a very effective treatment for bipolar. Disorder. One lady was saying that it does, tamp her down, meaning that she's not really able to experience joy either. So she's not having the, the bad side of bipolar. But she's not having a good sides. Lithium is either medication as opposed to lithium as a dietary need has see what you're saying. Yeah, you're taking it as a medication apparently, is very effective with bipolar with some side effects like you might need a kidney transplant at some point later on your life. But interesting if you wanna comment if you've got. Appearance. We'd love to hear from you toll free number eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. We'll get into that Email from the presidential candidates, Marianne Williamson in just a moment here. But I have several came statements from several different democratic candidates. Okay. But she had a seven point. We love multipoint things that we can pick apart. So let's go to Devon. I though he's in Grand Rapids listening to WT. K G. Go ahead. Devon. I was just kind of curious I wasn't a couple months ago. There also was another shooting and didn't they didn't they sue some gun company over that, that shooting boy, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, they, they somebody may have filed suit, but I haven't heard anything about a gun company having any kind of settlement against it. Okay. Then this, the thing is what all these people driving that live in Grand Rapids on twenty texting all the time. Now what if they would kill somebody would they sue the people who, who, who are their component of texting machine? What do you call these things? Floodway. I did find the story here. It was NPR reporting in March of this year, that sandy hook victims have filed a lawsuit against Remington in that case. With people to die that way, it's wrong. But the gun didn't make the choice to person made the choice are we are they gonna start SUNY? Cellphone companies. People while they're texting. You're right. I mean, people need to be responsible and held responsible for their actions. All I can tell you that they're going to sue the drug companies over oxycodone because some people abused at some point. So, you know, it seems to be just how much the public likes, or dislikes, the particular item, not how deadly it is because you're absolutely right. Cellphones distracted driving. But largely that means cell phone usage. Distracted driving is, as bad or worse than drunk driving. How many people were killed because of cell phones compared to goes last year. I bet you a lot of questions I would ask you if you're not counting suicide gun suicides, then say is probably commensurate. Yeah. It's a good question. Devin anything else you wanna share the call. Appreciate hearing from the toll free number eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. Let's continue here. We've got Ray in Texarkana listening to KTF s celery. How you doing today? Hey, good. You're on the air. Go ahead. Well, I would just like I'm a firearms enthusiast, and I would like to point out that good that firearms have done for, for human for the human condition, you know, please I mean before the firearm, basically, we were at the mercy of their list, Kratz, you know, whereas we were out trying to plow the field and, you know, they got the practice all day with their weapons. Hello. Hi, you're right here. And you know they got the practice, cutting surf sauce head off with their swords and stuff and, and, and the firearms is just leveled the field. You know, no doubt. Well, how about all the times that guns have been used to defend against an attacker, like, you know, lane million every year, according to the center for disease control. At least I've heard is more than two million because they don't they don't go and get reported. Right. You know, you pull a gun on somebody in a parking lot or flash one, you know, if you're a lady walking back out to your car, or something like that, and some thug tries to a cost you or whatever. And then you flash gun, you don't have to fire it. You don't have to kill the guy but it might be enough to scare them away. I mean these sorts of things happen all the time. I know of it happening. You know, people, you know, You too, to know someone who is weaker. We'll say that we are person has something that, that. And then this person is at us. And they're, they're no they're grown. We'll say see that. And, you know, well, you know, probably I shouldn't I should probably, you know, get my car and drive. Well, why are they gonna find another March? They're gonna find another victim. The saying is God made man Sam, Colt made them, equal. Call ray. Thanks for making tonight. Appreciate the toll free numbers. Eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. And this is a world where a little ninety five pound lady can carry unequal Leuser, not a world like that. It's in the United States in some parts of the US that little lady can do that. A lot of countries of the world. There's no guns allowed by anybody. But the government goons, you're right there victim. There's lots of lots of them have victim, disarmament loss, and even in some of the cities and states in the United States make it very, very difficult. And some of the government buildings Sedley. Let's continue here. James is in Texas. Also listening to KTF s there in Texarkana. Hello. James. You're on free talk live. Yes, sir. Thank you. Wanted to tell you that our local schools. I mean, it's a small town and all the schools from kindergarten through high school them. Same campus. There are signs outside every place that had driveway says our teachers are arm. They are trained. They will use deadly force. Protect our children. Is that common in Texas? Or is it just you know your area? I have no idea. The I really don't know but they're doing here, and I think I looked at signed the first time I saw it and said he. Oh, that's great news. I mean, I'd much rather see a school where I I'd rather see no government schools whatsoever. And have the, the marketplace provide education because a lot better. But if you're going to have a school, whether it's the government school or private school, or whatever, have it be an open campus where anybody can come and go, we don't need the, you know, these gigantic fences with barbed wire and cards and metal detectors to raise a kid in mean basically at a prison. I mean an analog that's what it is. That's exactly what it is James. Good call. Thanks for sharing. That's really interesting did not know that was going on out there. So kudos to school system, there in Texarkana, more on the way here, our number is eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. This is free talk. Live. 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Now, more of the freshest episode free talk live presented by Seiko cei-. Listen online at freetalklive dot com. It's free talk live to bring up what you want here, live Saturday edition of the show, the most of the calls in the discussion here tonight has focused on the most recent shooting one presidential candidates, Mark, you have an Email from her that says she's got a seven point plan. Hopefully we're to get into that, but phones are loaded up. So do you want to do one point? And then take the calls or just Brennan to calls. That's what we do. If you're if you wanna point room just asking require universal background checks of all gun purchasers weather purchases occur, online at a gun show at gun show events at a licensed dealer locations or friendly transfers, no, my so, you know, basically gonna make you don't sell on a gun to your friend, illegal as though, that's the way this guy got his guns. We have no idea. I mean, yeah, well, the claim was he did buy them legally. That's all it's all it's all the we know. The toll free number here. If you want to join us as a fifty five four fifty free, we'll get back into your calls and thoughts. All sounds of hammers that are used in homicides in this country singer year or all purchased legally. Yeah. I shudder to think about what it would be like, if people on an individual basis had to do a background check just to sell somebody a gun, because, you know, why would I want to do that? It's my friend or whatever I'm selling it to somebody, I know why should I have to, you know, do a background check on that. And that's gonna lead to sting operations, that's going to lead to people getting thrown in prison cell, or selling a gun, even though no crime was actually committed the, the new crime would be the selling of the gun without doing the background check. And I just feel like people who are in the business of selling guns should trust their gut, you know, if somebody's acting crazy, or you questioned them, you know, whether or not they're saying or whatever you're not sure about selling it to them, then don't then don't sell it to them. That doesn't mean that an insane person won't be able to acquire a firearm. Then they're requiring them now. Right. And look at the guns aren't going away. So if you, you know, at this point estimates have been as high as two guns for every person in the country, six hundred million guns explained to me, this isn't an island in the middle of the Atlantic explained to me, how you're going to get rid of them. Let's continue. We'll we can do more of her seven point plan here in moments. Also want to make sure. That, you know about the upcoming freedom fast, the largest liberty oriented gathering in the world, this year steam, the wild west liberty and opportunity or lawlessness, and violence. 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So, you know that got that we're going to get rid of him, and there goes his retirement or goes goes there goes to plan for the rest of his life, so he snapped interesting. Yeah. They are is understand that he was washing his hands in the morning there. So he was in the employee area and his cards, still worked. So I if you terminate somebody you turn off their security guarantees. He was getting terminated. They could it could be. Here. He would've he said, if he would have walked out that building has four inches, and he would have walked out this one entrance he only had walked thirty feet. He's walked into the building. We're all the big wake city officials are. Yeah. It makes you wonder why taking out low level permit. Bureaucrats permit issuing bureaucrats. On the news, how he went Florida, Florida floor shooting. It's only two story building. Well, maybe floor to floor. Florida four. News to exaggerate. True. That's fair that finally ended up coming out. Thanks for the info the scoop, there, Ron appreciate hearing from tonight. Yes. Before this happened that in the previous twenty years, there's been like twenty six mass shooting. Twenty three of those. The shooter had no father. Five. Don't bother at home and other interesting observations. So no, dad. Couple of days ago before this happened. Anti-depressants also very, very common. These shooter two-parent households are at the plant at home. Yep. Well, I by that much I couldn't say, but I can say the two parent households are an indicator of a of a lot of good things in life. And for whatever reason your, it's your lesson less able to say that anymore, people just don't want to hear it. I mean with my job, I, I deliver to a lot of houses I deliver food part time at night, and I'll, I'll go to places where Mellon's open a door and the kids, look at you like, oh, pizza and on the floor with them as a package of raw hotdogs in rich, crackers and Mamba shot. I'll bet your Jenner. You got your run. Thanks for the call tonight or appreciate hearing from you. Interesting observations, interesting suggestion, obviously, it's hearsay. But, you know take it for what it's worth another thing is, is they've been. They've tried to draw chlorophyll correlations between having meals at home at us. Sort of set time, you know, the family having dinner with a better life. Does that happen these days? Well, it doesn't it doesn't happen. I work evenings. So it doesn't happen too much of my, but we do what's your lunch? Because your son, doesn't go to a government school. He's home. So that helps he's home school. We continue here. Kimmy is on the line listening in Virginia Beach to W. N. I. S. Hello, kimmy. Hi. Harry all had good. Go ahead with your thoughts. It's everyone wants to have someone someone or something to blame y'all wanna make sense of a tragedy. You always look for straws like this. It's the gun the cards, the sport. It's something something else besides the person heart did this and mental health is overlooked for so long and personal responsibility has been overlooked for so long that I think we all wanna blame some something is opposed to the person that did it not. It was his choice due to do this. And it's anyone's it, anyone commits a crime. They have to make a conscious choice to do. So obviously sky made the choice. I don't think anybody on this show tonight has taken that away from generally sure I'm just pointing out by another. We've taken life. Life not exonerating whatsoever, or telling him saying that he's not it's not his fault. But the point is, it's always looking for a reason that we, it's fighting look for again. Is it a single family? How full is it not having dinner is that the gun is, what, what is it that made this person do it as opposed to anybody can stamp, and go crazy? But if you're on certain drugs that seem to lead to that happening than maybe that something. 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They've literally removed a local from local bitcoin dot com right before days before local bitcoin dot com is preparing to launch where you will be allowed to sell bitcoin cash, or by bitcoin cash locally and again through the other methods as well as just thought. Wow. What perfect timing for local dot bitcoin dot com to have this original site that they're competing with. Drop the main reason they existed literally hours before the local bitcoin dot com. Goes online. Stunning news. I couldn't believe it. So, so kudos to bitcoin dot com for launching this thing. And people are really excited about it. There's gonna be some crip encryption of conversations meaning that your conversations with the sellers and buyers are not viewable by the website. So that means that law enforcement agencies, for instance will also not have any idea what is going on. Of course you're dealing with a lot for agency on the other side. And there's going to be any KYC they call it. No your customer requirements. So the site itself would not require identification from buyers or sellers, which is interesting now sellers, individually may require identification. So I've sold on local bitcoins for while and I require I d because I've gotten scammed in, you know enough times. So it's a smart thing to do the site itself will not require that. So that's very interesting to do some things very differently with local dot bitcoin dot com. Basically their hands are off of it. They're not holding any funds. This site, they're competing with. Holtz fund. You have to deposit funds into a wall at their if that site goes off line, you'll have access to, to your bitcoin. Right. Not yours. Somebody else holds it. It's not your rights. This is a big deal. Local dot bitcoin dot com. You can sign up for the accounts right now. And then it'll turn on completely on June fourth. Let's continue with your calls and thoughts. Here we go to Arnie on the line in Scottsdale. Arnie are on free talk live. All right. So my daughter was born with a rare condition where colon is actually partially connected to her cervix now taking her to at least three different surgeons all of which says, there's nothing we can do. And every day, I can, you know, I walk by the bathroom, and I hear her in. Doc. The dump button on you. There buddy, he waited an hour to do that. That was the longest call. How that guy on hold for, for more than an hour. He I think he had me like, oh, there until the very moment that he dropped the s bomb that he had before. Oh, really? I don't I didn't know anything about his college knew that it wasn't on the topic that know that we were talking about. So that's why you had to wait because I wanted to all the people that had comments on the shooting to to go first. But as soon as he started saying walking by the bathroom, acting as though, because my first question was going to be, well, how old is she? Because, you know, if that was a problem at birth, then it would be a problem, right then and it would be an infant wouldn't be something you'd leave in the bathroom. So it automatically as soon as he started talking about that. Like okay, this doesn't sound doesn't sound legit. Anyway, can't say that word on the radio buddy. Let's continue here Alexis is in Myrtle Beach listening to W, R N n Hello, Alexis. Hello. Hi you're on the air. Tonight. What's on your mind? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We're talking about the with him having to do shootings and everything, one of my in-laws, my mother-in-law. She was actually on lithium, as she didn't shoot anybody. But she actually held my ex husband and his girlfriend, and her own coll- hostage and just knowing that you can understand why people would think that people with polar disorder would be dangerous more dangerous, if they were on him and one knowing this, that the government still allow them to take with them, if they know it causes people to be eradicated and unpredictable. To the community. I mean I I'm not not doubting. What you're saying here, your story, but from what I read in a brief search online. It seems like a lot of people really think this stuff helps with bipolar that it helps lessen the crazy of, of bipolar. Obviously, it's different for everybody. I would agree with that. But if it doesn't, there's also the side that it doesn't and things like that happen, where people are put in danger. I don't know whether it's the mental health problem, the, the baseline mental health problem or the, the drug in the case of lithium. But then, again, these, these are the same problems with the assessor is that we were talking about previously is that you're talking about people with mental health problems to begin with and it, it's very difficult to know. So I you know, sorry about what happened your family. No. Is it happened things happen? Wanted to me. Good. I also wanted to say, why do people think that it's a good idea to have no gun area. It open it's like shooting range for people. Basically crazies know that we don't have guns in certain areas. So they set up and wait for an opportunity to shoot people. It seems so obvious to us. But I just don't I mean, I don't know if we've had somebody call in to explain why they think a gun free zone would work against a crazy person why they think a gun free zone would work against a person determined to kill innocent people. It would seem like it's exactly what you're saying Alexis and thank you for the call tonight that it just allows people to shoot fish in a barrel. You know, you know, I I I've lived in the same world as everybody else's lived in and I can see why people are like, well, you can't have teachers having handguns at elementary schools. That's absolutely crazy. But. Okay. I, I think what they what goes through people's minds is well, you know, they would imagine the teacher leaving the gun on the desk, you know, the front of the room and some brat comes up Arabsat, right? I mean these guys it doesn't happen because most teachers don't have guns in hopefully most of them that do have guns would be carrying them on their person. It would be highly, you know, irresponsible to just leave it out on a desk, it could happen. But I don't think we've ever heard of any stories where that has. 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I think it's a lithium's work with the sodium are much less damaging and VA is labor leading everyone is bipolar. Now. Yeah, the Veterans Administration. Yes. Very county diagnosis, even it's increasing among males, and I do believe that everyone should be armed. I think that they're they wanna really Nate those people heading arm that should have them say, higher bet. Well, they loans borderline and had PTSD. So they're the ones that give weapons. So, you know. By the way, the shooter was in the military. He was part of the national guard. I'm veteran myself, so and I also think that there's mental, healthy giving you just have a band mix. You have a person that, that's a home alone dealing with the situation and then you put dead drums on top of it. And I just think you have the recipe for a problem. Right. Well, I've been around somebody who's mannequin the manic states of bipolar and the last thing I would want them to have had was a gun. They were a mess. Yes. Yeah. The Marquis star you open up a Pandora's box when you start saying who should in who shouldn't be able to do. That's the real issue here is once you let the government determine who's not mentally capable of handling a gun list is going to start getting longer who it's going to be very, very soon before only the people who are currently working for us. So the ones that are allowed to have guns. Well, this guy was working for them. Yes. But he was. Anthony boarding are those suicide. We today may have been linked to us as our allies which there. Tonen you know, people you don't sit down there. I didn't know about him until actually, I went to Japan. This is like a very like I guess, successful chef who had his own a CNN television show, where he traveled around the world. And, and it was really good. Like he was really good host really interesting show. The reason I found out about it was because singularity in our discord, chat posted a link to where he went to Tokyo because I was actually in Tokyo. And I watched this while I was there ended up actually going by the crazy robot restaurant thing that, that he was at in the in the video that he did. And it was an interesting video and can well presented. But when I when I searched for my found out that he'd killed himself. And I think he hung himself actually was how how he did. But the weird thing was in that very episode in that very episode. He made a joke about suicide. And apparently he was kind of obsessed with suicide, according to one of his girlfriends. So, so I don't think that was a surprise. For for a lot of people. He was it was something he was kind of into sets suggests a long-term depression, or, or whatever it is was going on with him. Laurie. Good call. Thanks for sharing tonight. I appreciate it. Yep. Toll free number here is eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom Robert in Texarkana. What do you know people have strong feelings about, you know, guns and drugs? Free talk live. Go ahead, Robert. Yeah. I've just had a little comment here about, you know, when there's a bombing we all blame the bomber when there's a drunk driving accident. We blame the driver why when there's a shooting the Democrats blame the gun while sane people blame the shooter. I don't know of any Democrats have called in and night. So I don't know we can no answer that question. But it's a good question. I would say this about bombing the after the, the Oklahoma City bombing. They did make it harder to get certain types of fertilizers and then sort of thing. So and also TNT isn't as easy to get as say when I was a kid and certainly not as easy to get is when my dad was a kid. And so they've, they have made it harder and harder to get bomb making materials. But now the internet can make it easier and easier to get bomb making instruction. Yeah, I haven't looked that up. Well, the thing is, you know, everybody blames the person that does it you know, the crying like the bomber the driver except for when it comes to the gun, and then there's a big part of the country, now, it's saying, oh, well, we need to regulate these guns instead of regulating to people, or whatever, it'll never course, change anything because it'll only make it so fewer law-abiding people have guns exactly the crazy lunatics and the gangsters will, of course, still get whatever it is. They're, they're looking to get or even as we seen in, you know, other countries like took like the UK for instance where they have banned guns. Well, then, of course, people are just stabbing people to death. So now they're trying to ban knives over there. And of course, that's not going to solve the problem. Either soon will be forks. Spoons Robert, thanks for the call. Appreciate hearing from you. Good points. We continue here and I still, you know, if if by the looks of it just about every democrat. Candidate wants to see the guns spanned further their that's their base. You know there are. Pandering to their base. In fact, you've got an Email from a Marianne Williamson who is apparently one of those democratic candidates, they seven point plan. We touched on point, number one. We'll get to the other six here. Hopefully, but first we go to Donald in Virginia Beach listening to W N. I S. Hello. Donald. How you guys do. You're on the air. All right. Thanks. I just wanted to call in and. Well, speak upon the shooting here. I'm actually live about two miles world, this happened and friend of mine, actually knew the shoot or. I guess trying to, I don't know try to everybody has their own speculations. And first of all, the guy was actually on the only thing this guy took was actually vitamin, and there's no. I, I have met this year to once I'm not going to mention his name, and, you know, I'm not going to go into that. You know, he wasn't a friend of mine, but I wouldn't I knew him and he's. It's one of those things here. People speculating on. He was, you know, the press and everything, but you never know what. It's like just there's an actually new medication involved in this at all. There was a caller earlier who said again, this is all hearsay. Right. We don't know what the the real truth is. But caller earlier said that he knew somebody who worked with him at the bureaucracy at the government building. And that the claim was was that he was going to get fired, and that maybe he had caught wind of his potential, firing and went off. Well, I can tell you, there's no tooth Annette at all. Really that. Yeah. Hayes is worth ethic was outstanding. I mean as just, you know normally hear that about bureaucratic. Several we'll never really know what drove onto that, but no. His job was not in jeopardy at all man. Real liked. I mean he didn't have a. Nobody seems to know what happened. He didn't have an enemy. He was a great person. I mean showed out the worst firmly yummy. And it just well time will tell and it is possible. I mean, you never know what kind of evidence he left at his house, or whatever. So, you know, we're just getting we don't know all the details on video creates some there. We'll never know now that he's gone. We'll really never know. But. Say is anybody out there is this face to play us for the family? A lot of people think you for the call. Appreciated. There's more coming up here. Hour, threes, next free talk. Free talk live. Most of my life, he went to printed them for please. Protect and my father was the chief, what was he like at home with you, when you were growing up is he violent with you? 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Toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom coming up the seven point plan, which I'm sure I, I am a red the, the plan, but I'm just going to guess we've heard all the points before in some form or another from various democratic candidates. But one of those democratic candidates for president has a seven point plan of what she wants to do about guns in the wake of the most recent shooting there in Virginia Beach with you tonight, by the way, it's Ian, and Mark expect one of these plants somebody to roll out these plans every time there's one of these tragedies. Sure. Because they are using these tragedies as a political football to try to score points with voters. That's, that's what they're doing here. They're socio pats, and I'm not talking about just the Democrats all politician. For the most part are socio sociopaths, and they're sick people. Let's go to your use incidences to benefit themselves themselves. So let's go to your calls and thoughts. Here we have Tom in Hudson, New Hampshire. Tom, you're on free talk, live course you could argue that we're doing the same thing. The go ahead. Tom. About the abortion laws that some states are imposing much more strict then what is consistent with these pre court ruling Roe versus Wade. And I have a better idea. It is both pro-life and pro choice as the same time this should be okay. All right. Okay. Well, the song Papa don't preach. Okay. The pregnant girls choice is to have a baby. Okay. That is her choice. And it is a pro-life option as well. But of course, in some household is like, in this house, you do as you're told, what did you think you gonna do, discreet this family with an illegitimate child you going to the clinic tomorrow, and that's all there is to it. And if you the way from California to New York, the cops will simply return back to California and the baby will be murdered. But let's say one of these states like Arkansas for. Sample simply okay, we're no longer going to do that. Okay. As soon as she crosses the double yellow line on. Dateline? Avenue in Texarkana enters the state attack Arkansas, you know, the saying those lines on the map mean a lot to bureaucrat, and she's under Arkansas law. And no, they're not going to send it back to California. They're gonna put her in a foster home, and the baby is going to survive. And if the her parents never get to see their grandchild, if serves them, right? It's a solution that they certainly could offer. And I think it would be a better return salvo than when Alabama sort of, you know, basically, outlaws almost all abortions versus New York, which basically says that a baby can be hanging half out the birth canal and then they LOP off. It's I think that this point we're just talking about politics. And I think that would be interesting. An interesting salvo, in the whole right to life war. Okay. You've got on a bundle of knob zoning restrictions. 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