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City an ESPN news I'm Jason Fitz. We're GONNA start the our as we do every hour with some headlines that you need to know start with some sad news in the NBA World Hall of Famer and former Washington bullets star Wes unseld dies. The age of seventy four family said in a statement that unsolved had had lengthy health issues most recently with pneumonia his quote, he was the Rockefeller family. Family, an extremely devoted patriarch, reveled in being with his wife, children, friends and teammates. He was our hero in love, playing, basketball, and working around the game of basketball for the city to Baltimore Washington. DC City see proudly wore on his chest for so many years our condolences go out to the unseld family next up on the headlines, you need to know a judge. His weighed in on the case. Case Against Dianne Williamson remember there's questions on whether he was eligible to play as a result of benefits to receive to go to Duke in two thousand, eighteen, nineteen, well, a Florida State Court. Judge on Tuesday denied the PELICANS rookie request to stay discovery into whether he was eligible under NCWA rules. When he played that season, so they will, he will be required to answer questions and requests for emissions. Emissions from attorneys representing genome. Ford and prime sports marketing who are suing Williams for one hundred million dollars for breaching their marketing agreement. They're expected to file appeals, so we'll see what that means moving forward. And lastly now headlines a little bit of encouraging news in the corona virus world. It looks like major league soccer and the MLS players. Association appeared to be heading towards an agreement on economic. For Twenty twenty as well as as well as revised collective bargaining agreement terms that's according to our very own Taylor's woman. If the agreement is completed and ratified, it will see the two sides avoid the lockout that had been threatening the threatened by the league since last Sunday so that will help them molest gain some economic relief from the damage suffered during the pandemic, which prompted the league to shut down on March twelfth. Twelfth? Those are your headlines. It's I take your take on ESPN radio ESPN. News were presented by Progressive Insurance. Guests appear with us on the Shell Pennzoil performance line I'm Jason. Fitz you know the phone number triple eight say ESPN, eight, eight, eight, seven, nine, three, seven, seven six. You can call in. You can also tweet me as many of you are doing today. If you've listened to me at all I've been with. With ESPN radio or in some capacity since late in two thousand sixteen. If you've listened to me throughout the course of my career, ESPN, you know that I've often been the person that says hey. We're GONNA escape you. We're going to get away from everything. We're going to find some reason to talk about other things so that you can get your mind off of the world. That's what I've largely used this microphone to. To Do, and it's something that I've considered a real responsibility whether an entertainment or sports is to sort of divert everybody and give everybody a few hours where they don't have to think about anything else. What's going on the world today? Though is too important. It means too much. If you listened yesterday, Stephen did a great job during this time slot of speaking to American speaking from the heart in a way that really. was he was able to get things out that meant so much to him I wanted to do the same today, but I wanted to do so in my own way and the best way that I thought I could do it was Bhai getting people together that I love and respect that I have real relationships with that. I know that I can have open honest conversations, and I want to have transparent conversations that maybe the rest of the world is uncomfortable with maybe. Maybe. The rest of the world is in is afraid to I'm the first to admit I'm a forty three year old white guy, so talking about these issues in so many ways for many years has felt to me like it was useless like my voice didn't have a place, and I can't decide now if that was because I was afraid to talk about those issues, or because they just want to avoid them altogether, but what I WANNA do now instead of real. Real conversations in ways where my voice, this microphone at least for a day can offer some sort of thought to people because I think it's more important than ever that we have serious conversations, so we're going to get this straight talk. Straight talk doesn't play. Games get the unlimited plan. With twenty five gigs of high speed data then two G. for just forty five bucks. A month saves you up to fifty percent against the big carriers, no contracts, no compromise savings May. May Vary terms and conditions at straighttalk DOT COM, one of the most amazing I'd say lights at ESPN. People that just brighten up the room when they walk in it is ESPN analyst and sparks forward Chennai. Mckay someone that I consider not only a friend, but someone that I respect the hell out of in every possible way not just isn't ethic, but also as an analyst, and also for the work ethic, and also for everything that she is to the world so. Graciously agreed to join me today. Thanks for the time I really appreciate you hanging out and I know these conversations are awkward so I just WanNa. Have them like I'm trying to figure out. When you see somebody like me, I'm forty three and white. Like what? What can I be doing? What should I be doing? How can I be a better voice to help some level of change? Hey first of all, thank you so much for the kind words. Jason you know I think I I WANNA. Say regardless of issues. You are just an awkward person in general. Is that you know what I mean, this is our day to day life. That's so much okay. I think right now you know. I. I am a Nigerian American. female athlete that was born and raised in Houston Texas, and so I was born and raised with three other sisters. If you know anything about African culture. It's a predominantly patriarchal society. Right so even though I was born in Houston Texas Cypress Texas My family raised us to try to not let anything being a barrier to anything that we wanted to do. and I think every family has that goal and aspiration. I think the goalposts are different based on what we're seeing society, you know our standards for each other and I think I would just like to start this conversation by saying. Everyone has a different. Everyone has a unique point of view, but I do think everyone's entitled to be heard as well. And I think for so long. We've been in our comfort zones rightfully, so because that's how we operate. You go to work. You're so busy. You have all these things you have to do. It's easy to exempt yourself from things that are uncomfortable easy to just sort of. Stay in your own lane. But now. In Times of Global Pandemic where we are forced to slow down, we are also forced to not ignore. We cannot be willfully ignorant to what's going on if you are, you're doing intentionally. And I think we're in the process of awakening as a society where when things have been going on one hundred miles per hour week could be, we could choose to sort of ignore. Some things are better now we can I think that's why you see a heightened sense of urgency so for people that may not look like me may not have that experience just understand. Our ultimate goal is to. Have a shared experience because we are in a shared place. and. We want that place to be better at least you start there. That is progress. A lot of people are like what can I do? What do I say? The there's no real answer to that, but one thing I've realized everyone can evaluate themselves. And I think that's the number one goal so I. Guess Starting there. That's something we can all choose to do. Now moving forward from that like I said. I'm from Houston Texas Texas, the northwest part of Cyprus, but he's dead, and so this is something that has really touched very close to home considering George Lloyd. Is from initial originally, Houston considering one of my closest people that I've gotten to know as I've worked. AT ESPN is Steven Jackson and considering that I am a woman of color. Right so like. This has been so hard to process and I guess the way I'd wrap up my initial thoughts before we get the things specifically separately is. It is okay if you are struggling processing. What's going on? It's okay if you don't know what to do, I'm confused. Were all confused because I think of human beings? What we're experiencing right now does not make sense you know if if you have a heartbeat, and you really adhere to that heartbeat, whether it's global, pandemic or the continual persecution of people color here in the United States. Those things do not make sense. Those things are hard to impact. Those things are uncomfortable to discuss. But I think the the reason why we're discussing in sports. What people forget and I'm hoping? Everyone has an open a say open minded at least open ears over the the reason. Is that by nature of loving sports you are loving something that is ultimately striving for. Winning greatness like these are all ideals that we cherish where part of the sports community where you WANNA. See Teams exceed you. WanNa see the struggle and know that it was worth something. That's why we're talking about sports universal principles that appliance sports that apply in all aspects of life. Playing basketball, it would be great like the hardware. Nice to take a picture with right, but what we cherish, we cherish the memories we. Cherish literally the guy that you probably can't stand on your team, but hey. She hit the shot. He worked in the gym like we just literally watch the last dance where there were dysfunctional aspects of a team, but what united of they wanted to succeed feed in society. We are all different. We all come from different backgrounds. WHAT UNITES US? We should all want the same same. The same success collective success that we're moving forward, not dividing because dividing is losing, so I guess that's how I'd start conversations. When it comes to sports if you love sports. If you say this is not relevant to sports, please please check yourself because the the essence of what you love is the essence of what makes good society. That's really well said. We're talking to ESPN analyst and sparks forward. Today grew McKay. You know today you mentioned earlier taking you a little time to figure out how to process all of this Oh as a woman of color. That is wnba player. When you see something like what we saw with the Knicks, the Knicks are essentially not saying anything like what does that. What's up moment? Feel like for you given what you're dealing with right now. It's frustration I think just because I understood. Look. I'm a WNBA player that just. we accomplished a new collective bargaining agreement with the league, meaning the only reason I bring that up specific to the next. Is that when you're in a workplace? Everyone's job is valuable, and everyone has a unique experience and so two consciously disregard the value of one person. It does not contribute to the ultimate. Better business like. You can't avoid something so I. Guess The way I'd put it in TV terms, and this is one thing I learned. When you go into studio and you're on air. You're at the mercy. He the viewer meaning. Millions of people are seeing you reacting to how you are right. You're saying you're take or whatever the case may be or even on the radio right. When something happens, that is not according to plan. Which is, that's that's life. Life is full of imperfections. WHO's GonNa? Help you through those moments I go on Air I. Sit at the table Oh. My Gosh, I forgot or like. Maybe I didn't notice I i. my makeup is falling or whatever looks eighty or something like that. If I didn't build a relationship with my colleagues at the table. If I didn't build relationship with the cameraman if I didn't build a relationship with the security met like. That has contributed to this ultimate product that you care about getting sports news. When I'm struggling, someone else won't have that back to help. Have your back to help that struggle like for instance. Cameraman today. Hey, you have that built relationship today, look! This let me bring the makeup. We're all one team. I think there's so many instances in business that are very similar. Just because there's a group of people that might be experiencing, some think ignoring them is not the answer acknowledging them as the answer, because ultimately they're contributing to Your Business I. Don't know if that makes sense, but like the way that's the way I. See it on TV. You have to respect everyone that you work with. And you have to understand what their struggles are. Because if you, if you isolate those struggles, they will not work in a beneficial way for your business overall, and it's just unfortunate that it continues to be the next that. Make these type of headlines when when when things like this happen, will in what you're saying. Resonates with me today, because the one thing that I think is always made it difficult for me. I didn't grow up with with race issues like I mean I grew up in the entertainment business right and whether it's entertainment or sports. Junior junior always uses the fred meritocracy. Give what you earn also. I grew up in this world of. The classical music industry you, you audition behind the curtain. Nobody knows who you are. What your gender is. How old you are what you look like. They don't care and then when you get into the higher levels of touring music. If, you can play. You're going to get a job. Right like these are the things that I'm used to so? Foreign to me to wrap my head around how there can be such large sections of the world that we root force fans, whether it's entertainment or music that have figured out some level of diversity and figured out how to love one each other and respect one another, and it just doesn't translate pass that I can't out why it stops at some level in all of a sudden. It just becomes about US versus them. Are you versus me? Yeah. Yeah, no I. Absolutely agree you know I think that's the major issue. There's a disconnect to. Why I guess you are using your platform today to talk the great conversations that are necessary right now, but uncomfortable for many people I think there needs to be a wholesale recognition that in sports. The people that you're rooting for are typically the majority of the minority. meaning. We are minorities, but we make up the majority in the business in which we're operating the NBA or possibly the NFL not all-sports I'm assuming hockey is not as such right but But typically we are the majority of the minority, so that's why when people say is sports, the athletes that you're telling those people to stick the sports to not have an issue or to shut up and dribble whatever the case may be. The people that they grew up around for the existence of their life have a completely different struggle than what you're trying to say, and you're not even understanding that struggle and you're absolutely correct. This is the point that I was trying to make yesterday. When I went on, get up. A lot of people you know when when they're trying to exempt themselves from this conversation, they might say. I can't relate or I. don't understand way like try. Try to educate yourself and also most importantly understand that this is a human issue as well. It's about how we view and treat one another, and how some things so think about how something so small and out of our control. I said as pigmentation can change and alter perception something out of control. When you're born, you can't control what you look like. You know what I mean, but that pigmentation ultras perception, and it has the most of consequences. I always tell people, and this is another thing I was saying. No matter how much success I am a what does it have to jobs in the WNBA and also? ESPN I graduated from Stanford University. I came from a wealthy background with my parents. I had no my heritage back home in Nigeria. Like I'm good right I'm very fortunate, but no amount of success that I can make can save me from society that can change their view of based on how I look meaning people don't see my background. People don't see my chievements just when I'm walking down the street, they just we have A. A society that I can turn on you based on how you look so that doesn't like that. No, NBA Players Immune at four player that that has the same struggle right so so I think you see a lot of the success on social media, we see all the glory and sports. You see the studio on air the court UC the field. You don't see those everyday reality, which is why athletes care so much right now. I get worried when my dad walks in the morning by himself like this is something I wake up. I say my prayers and I always call my dad. I stayed on the phone with my mom anytime. You know we used to live play for the Connecticut. Sun I used to live of where where am I used to live? In groton I used to live in east line and I used to live Was it a task bill, and so the drive to ESPN would be about our fifteen. I do that. Drive could be ready. Sportscenter seventy drive at four am. Esp- but like three am. If I was doing first and last with junior right I drive, I'd be on the phone with my mom for Georgie of that dry, and then I do radio at night. and I'd be I'd be getting home. Probably at two am I be on the phone. My mom would be up the majority of night just because if anything were to happen the only person on the road. We all know Connecticut cops. You know like they. They are very on point. When it comes to making sure you're not beating right so like, but I'd be. Be On my phone intentionally just because I had to, I didn't want anything crazy to happen. I'm not like judging. These are just things I do how I have to move to check on my dad when he walks my morning. That type of stuff like these are our everyday realities, even though I'm wnba player, a degree from Stanford. A TWO-TIME ALL-STAR I'm good. I'm very fortunate very privileged. I still have to think like that and I think that's what we're trying to bring awareness to you, and when you say meritocracy so so so true because I was explaining to people. Athletes, the reason why we to speak up is because we have experienced something so pure in our society, meaning you are, you are achieving on your performance, not based on what you look like. When I go and hoop look the numbers don't lie. Stats don't lie. You can't control everything on the most fair and level playing field, but when we leave the arena when we leave the court when we beat the field. That's not the same at all times like yes, we can you know step into some more money? And yes, we can have gates and stuff like that. We're still going to be walking around and existing in the world and the people we love, and the people that look like us are still going to be walking around. The world. That's the privilege that we acknowledged knowing that the people that we have built us to be these people on platforms pedestals, even though we're seeing society now that we're not the heroes vs central workers and stuff like that right, but also the people that are championing change You know those are the people that we have experienced and we're trying to let people know that. Hey, we are the lucky one. And we have also achieved and competed on the highest level where there's been no barrier besides your performance, not pigmentation you know so. That's the energy that we come from, and if you don't mean I know I'm going on a risk, but I know it's not probably not nearly as long as Dominique's. You Know Me. You know I love everybody I'm here to hear you like I if you have a point of view like. I grew up in Texas because Texas. I was the only I. Think I'm pretty sure I was the only black girl in my. In my private school, I went to Saint. Edwards private school in my grade all the way until second grade, there were two other black, the black kids there, and then I get to high school, and it's more diverse I'm in Cyprus now. And then I get to college, and it's definitely super diverse 'cause. It's at Stanford but like I grew up. Where I was constantly in a state of where I could choose to be uncomfortable and I didn't want to let dat steal my joy. So instead I I learned to listen and I learned to say. Hey, you're here you, but this is my point of view and I think that everyone can do that like being the Awkward Gangly A. Girl with an advocate family. That like you know I'm just like speaking to my point of view like. You know as a kid. You WanNa have like you're in school. You have crashes and all that type of stuff like by the energy I was was different. I was different I didn't I didn't get a ton of energy as a rate like you have these desires to want to be accepted, but I think it's a two way street. And I learned then that we are capable like I met so many great people that started one way, and then shifted because we came at it at the same energy and knowing that ultimately. We want to relate better because that's just better for the both of us harboring anger. ignorance that takes energy. Moving past it, you're conserving energy, and you're channeling into something much better and I think as an athlete now we have the vehicle where like Yo. This is achievable your sport. And it's also something that my my family. My friends are struggling with. How can we spread that energy to more people and I'm hoping people can sorta hear this message. Knowing is possible, and I know it's hard, but it all it takes the little you can do the least you can do is self introspection, and also try to understand the point of view instead of condemning it before you don't you know? I. That's where I'm at fit. She's grew McCain I'll say this quickly before we let you go. You know as I, said earlier, my brother was imprisoned for a long time, and he's turned out to be fairly successful in his life very successful. And he laughs about the fact that he still at some level profile, but understand that my brother as a as a white guy in prison. He's covered in tattoos with the look and he's got that. There's certain things about him that he chose to his life that make him more likely to be profiled. One of the alarming things is we've now talked to a couple of different people on this show that have been tremendously successful and through no fault of their own. Own have to go through so many of these things just because the color of their skin that in and of itself speaks to the privilege that I don't always feel like in my life I've necessarily had privileged in the sense that so many people understand privilege, but I've had privilege in every way that I possibly could is somebody that's White Chennai. I really appreciate you coming on. I appreciate your insight. You are amazing. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. Thank you for having me into all of those that are listening right now. I know it could be uncomfortable, but I wanNA say thank you even if you're not happy with what I'm saying, I want to say. Thank you even listening because hopefully eventually. You'll. You'll understand a little bit better, so thank you I appreciate I love everybody and But what you're doing is really special, and that's why we're friends, though you are twenty, four seven awkward so. Part charm today you're the best. Thank you so much. ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance insurance for motorcycles boats RV's production on the road and the water. See how much you can save in as little as three minutes at one eight hundred progressive. Progressive Dot Com. We're GONNA. Keep the conversation going with somebody spent three or four people in the last week. That have truly changed my life. 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Insurance I'm Jason. Fitz. All of our guests on the show pennzoil performance line, and if you're just tuning in. You know that usually I use this time to give everybody a reason to escape to not think about what's going on in the world and to talk about sports well. I'm not doing that today and. It's important to me. Stephen had the opportunity yesterday to talk to everybody from one to three eastern in this time slot, which I think was incredible I even a incredible for so many people to get to hear what he had to say that being said I've a lot to say on what's going on in the world today. There are a few conversations I. Don't think ever forget my life. One last week was with. With the manual Wacho who started sort of an a movement of asking people to come out and speak out and help, and I remember that moment in the conversation that came afterwards because it really challenged me the next one that I think about often is conversations with a close friend of mine that joins US now. We're going to get some straight. Talk brought to you by straight talk. Wireless sportscenter host El Dunkin joins. Joins US in sportscenter host. El Dunkin is not just to find out what she does, but she's defined by partially who she is an incredible person and a close friend, and my objective in having these conversations over the last couple of hours was to have real conversations with friends. Because I think we can be more raw more real I can be more vulnerable than a lot of you're comfortable being in these conversations i. I, think, there are a lot of questions that frankly people are forty, two almost forty-three like me that are white have been almost afraid to have and I'm willing to have those on there, because I think it's important for everybody to hear him, so l., thank you first and foremost for everything that you've been doing everything you continue to do in my life, and for helping push me I'm gonNA. Ask You A. Direct question here because I felt like a week ago. If you'd ask me, told you to. The black community did not want at any point to have a sports talk. Host hosted forty-three in white speaking for them. Because what the hell can I know about your plight. Vote like a week ago. My voice was useless to not needed by that community. Where did I miss so much well? You missed because what you did was you were? You were not recognizing the privilege of being able to disassociate yourself from other people's issues right so I always say this to people and they're like well. I just feel I. Feel some type of way because to your point I'm not a black person. And what do I know and you don't want fits I love you. I think you're fantastic. Sports Talk Radio, host and television host, and all those things and you haven't played a day of professional football or baseball or basketball or hockey in your life. Life so if you are qualified to talk about things like sports than how are you not qualified to talk about things like human rights, and the point is that everyone always goes into conversations expecting to win some type of debate, but this isn't a debate. We're simply asking for our white allies like you to listen to receive it, and to then do your research and figure out how you can effectively help make change. That's all we're asking for you to do no one asking for anything more than your empathy, not apathy empathy, because it is apathetic to simply stand by and say I hate this for you, but I wasn't raised that way and I promise to. To treat you with respect, that's not enough will and I love everything. You just said because you're right I mean at some level for me. I can't decide whether it was just easier not to talk about it or more comfortable not to talk about it because you have this awkward sense behind you when you're looking at it, and you're absolutely right when it comes to the privilege of being able to escape whatever situations going on in the world. Because I can do that, I don't have to worry when I when I'm in a situation where I get pulled over, and and this is actually a true story I got pulled over in a terrible area a decade. Decade ago in Nashville I got pulled over an terrible part of town I'd probably had a few drinks I'm relent realistically at that stage of my life I got pulled over and when the cop came up to the car, he asked me what I was doing in that neighborhood. Because I bought a house in a, let's say up and coming. Part town wasn't all that good, so he was questioning what I was doing. The neighborhood because I didn't look like I. Belong because I wasn't black, and there's this moment where I been speeding and I had a headlight out, and he let me go like there was no issue right because he was looking out for you. Right I mean there's this moment where I don't think I've ever thought until you started having these conversations about the fact that when I get pulled over nine times out of ten I, don't have to worry about things I. Don't have to think about okay if I get a speeding ticket due to my insurance, that is such a first world problem compared to what anybody that doesn't look like me may have in these situations, and that's a real fewing absolutely. I always joke with my friends, and like if your biggest concern when you see the blue lights behind you is oh, crap! Am I gonNA be able to find my registration Then you, then you then you're certainly in a good spot because you're right I mean we are taught and we have to teach our son specifically, but I mean are are are black daughters as well because. Simply being black man doesn't mean that you're are being a black woman rather doesn't mean that your immune from from prejudices and from bigotry, and from the systemic racism that you'll face, but having to look your child in the eye and talk about at what point that go from being adorable and cute to a threat how they have to disarm themselves. You know when you go into a store, you know. Keep your arm your hands visible so that they don't think that you're. You're stealing. You know when you're when you get pulled over in the middle of the day for whatever reason speeding running a stop sign I mean. We just saw video of a black man I believe in Texas that ran a stop sign, and like seven cop card showed up and pulled guns on in front of his grandma's house. Like it's you're always being taught how to a disproportionate level. Protect yourself so that you can survive a traffic stop, and that is this it's it's a result. Result A of generational trauma. Okay, because I come from a black mother and black father, who pros tested and lived through the civil rights movement, and you know had water hose turn on them, and still yet, and still can show grace, and can still have friends that don't look like them, and can take the high road and recognize that not everybody is that way, but this sort of distrust and mistrust has been passed down from generation to generation. When you have dogs, you know turned on. On you for peacefully protesting, how do you ever get that out of your system out of your mind and out of your heart, and out of your spirit, frankly and so it's it's. It's something that's passed down to us. It's an unfortunate part of being black that you always have to. For the most part. Find Yourselves in situations where you are the minority and you. Your Task Domos with making sure that you're doing enough so that you're. You're comfortable in other people's space and that. That, they're comfortable with you. You know I told you this. The other day like I grew up in mostly white neighborhoods, I played softball. I was almost always the only black and my teams I went to predominantly white schools and part of the reason that I'm witty, and then I like to tell jokes, and then I'm funny is because for me. That was the great equalizer, and I thought this is the way that I sort of make. White people feel comfortable with me is by being funny. Funny, and you know appearing less of the threat because I'm so funny, and and so that's kind of our always. Todd I. Remember my grandmother always being like when we go into this restaurant, you know, keep your voice down as much as possible. We don't want them to think like we're the allowed black family and here you know so again. It's just like it's. It's just these constant little tiny cuts that eventually become gaping wounds, and that's why you're experiencing so much anger and frustration right? Right now across the country, which I think is an important point, because frankly I mean. There's a lot of conversation about a route, the looting and the rioting. That's going on right now. And what's lost in this is to me. We've got to start looking at everything that's going down whether it's from from the side of anybody and asking the questions. Why how here? Why are people doing this? And frankly why is there? An entire community feels like the only way they can be heard is. is to go out and riot in loot. There's gotta be action that caused this right right. I think that first of all there is a distinction between protesters and looters and rioters. You know there is. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of examples of people, peace people peacefully protesting and then you have opportunities to opportunistic looters and rioters who are taking advantage, and and some people who are just feeling that kind of anger, and I'm not here to say you know that the method. Is a problem because we need to get back to what precipitated. All of this and I have been using a lot of like. And analogies trying to speak with some of my white friends. Who I know are our allies in a way that they could understand and. I want you to imagine fits that your loved one that Sunny, okay, or for the people that are listening right now that a loved one of yours, your son or your father or your sister or your husband or your wife was sick. And that? Their health and their life were on the line, and you couldn't get a doctor to listen to you. What would you do like? How much noise would you make? Maybe. The first thing you would do is try to seek the opinion of another doctor. And if that didn't work, you might take a holistic approach and try vitamins and you might pray. But if you had to watch the anguish and the fear, and the pain on your loved ones face every single day knowing that while you know what's wrong with them, and that you can self diagnose the problem, you do not wield the power to cure it. And that is exactly what is facing black people. When we talk about these things, it is life or death to us. It means that much to us. And you fits as a white man, and for the people that are listening that are white. You're the doctors. You're the ones that can cure it. We don't have the power of the prescription pad because if we did. Don't you think it would be done by now? So we're asking you the not only listen and receive us. But to help us. That's why a call to action we need you. We, need you? sportscenter host El. Dengue joining us with the straight talk everything for less only at Walmart. You just sent to send something you need help and there's gotta be a way to help when we come back I'm an ask L., some direct questions about what can be done. What should be done and how we can get better? We're going to continue this conversation I. Take Care Take. We're GONNA all of that. Obviously coming up next, we got through that. First before we get to that, want to tell you about home depot. This is a true story that happened over the course of the weekend. Toilets stopped working. I had no idea I. Don't know anything about these things. I can't fix anything. And I saw a piece was leaking and I. Don't know what it is. I don't know what it's called I didn't. Didn't have to. I took it off the toilet I took it to the other room and I took a picture of it in the Home Depot APP. This is all true took a picture of in the home. Depot APP. It told me that I could find said piece in I'll. Seven told me where to go in. The aisle told me how many. Many they had told me how much was I was able to walk in and out of Home Depot in a matter of seconds, get it fixed, and then turn around and install it. That's the ease you can have with the APP. You can go online to find essential products information you need. You can order online. They can have it waiting for you at. At the store they can deliver over a million items free, and they have thousands of how to videos for the project in you need to make if you're like me and don't know how to do any of that Home Depot's here to help the home depot doers. Get more done. I'M GONNA. Figure out how we can get some things done next with. Take, your take ESPN radio ESPN news. I think your take on ESPN radio the ESPN, APP, siriusxm channel eighty and ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz presented by Progressive Insurance. I'll guess join us on the Shell Pennzoil. Performance Line including my current guests sportscenter host El Dunkin and we've been talking. If you're just tuning in I, would recommend. Go listen to the podcast because we've had some great guests today, Dominic. Foxworth today grew McKay L. Dunkin and what we've been trying to do is real. Real raw honest conversations I'm trying to have the conversations. You might be uncomfortable with so l. before we went to break, you said we need help from change, and when you're talking about hope talking about specifically people that looked like me and he will need to be advocates. How can we help? What's the next step in actually helping this? Yeah, so I mean listen. There's there's a lot of resources out there available right now to people. Who are particularly interested at this particular juncture, and how they can help There's a Google document that sort of going around right now or if you google seventy five things that white people can do to help racial injustice. There's an entire list of things that pop up that I've sort of been sending to people, but I would say a great start is. I've seen a lot of people say well I always teach my children to love everybody and to to choose you know to to love people for who they are and whatnot, and that's fine, and that's good, but we should also teach. Your children is to not only not be racist to bit to vocally anti-racist, so teach your children to call it out when they see it, you know. Teach your children when they see people. Who are being when they see disenfranchised people who are being treated unfairly to call it out when they're in circles where everyone looks like them, and someone, says something, bigoted or problematic to call it out, even if it makes it uncomfortable, I would say for those of you that are professionals you know, go to your human resources department and ask if they're external message of diversity and inclusion. Actually message met actually sorry matches their internal representation I would say you know you can call your local police department and find out if it is a requirement that all police officers wear body, cams you. You can if you're a teacher, make sure that whether you've got all white kids in your class or not. The books that the toys that the dolls and your classrooms are representative of all cultures so there's a lot of different things that you can do, but honestly it really starts an engaging, so if you have a black friend that's never talked to you about what it's like to be black in America. Start there because they probably haven't approached you about that conversation for a bevy of reasons and in particular because they're waiting for you to ask, it's such a great point from L. and something. To be transparent, we've gone through his friends. We've known each other for a long time I don't know I've ever leaned on her on what I can do to be a better voice for the black community than I have. In the last week. It's made me a better person and a challenge everybody listening to do the same ask the tough questions be willing to feel stupid for a minute and really listen the response. Don't debate discuss. That's the biggest key to me in all of this is going to keep the conversation going on ESPN radio. She's been L. Dunkin I'm Jason Fitz. Thank you so much for listening. Keep asking tough questions, and let's all be better.

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