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Plus sales tax inactivation fee fifty dollars plus us rate plan required not valid for numbers currently on t. mobile network on metro and past ninety days offer subject to change offer valid for new amazon prime members amazon prime has a twenty nine per month restrictions apply see store for details and terms and conditions. It's more moderate people and broke in to hong kong's legislature where they spray painted the chambers to hide references to china they also the they also removed the chinese flag and replaced it with one featuring a hong kong emblem. Ooh symbolically league bad ass quite five years five or six sided flower on a red background except this one was symbolically wilted said the eroding a free now. When was this last week. This was monday yes so that's yeah i it. It's tuesday and then the question. It was the third okay. Thank you for that okay so last month yeah so the protest that's amazing. I i mean can you imagine the the the gall of these protesters to break into the legislative building and then commenced to vandalize the place and put up to their own flag. That's incorrect. This is amazing. Keep going so hong kong police well. That's the hong kong. Police used tear gas to clear them at the end of it or the beginning of it. If you're protesting keep going yeah that was the beginning of the kicked off these protests or or it was the first act uh-huh tests as i understand it awesome well. I minority of protesters participated in the break enter. Some others expressed a sense of inspiration at their willingness cleanest to risk arrest to get their message across absolutely. I mean just hearing about this inspiring for me. One protester who spoke to the post that we think about the new hampshire statehouse and all the ugly old flags out there said that generation by generation people are getting angrier and angrier as young people we don't. I don't see any hope which is interesting. <hes> it suggests that there's a lot more happening in hong kong that we aren't aware of of course there's a lot happening. We're not aware of that economically free if as young people they're looking around and they're not seeing any hope whatsoever because this economic freedom that provides them that hope nope in the first place if they feel like they're economic freedom could be cut off at any moment by some officious bureaucrat or politician in in china then that would that would make it hard to wanna get into a business understanding is that china actually has done a lot to restrict economic freedom in hong kong of the residents what's happened in the last twenty years is is they've done a whole lot to control real estate. <hes> so there's there's becoming less less place less and less space rather for hong kong residents to actually live in a room. The size of this studio might house six people in hong kong. How like this studio. This house would very house might have twenty twenty five people living in yeah. There's there's a very high concentration of people there because it's not a large landmass china's restrictions on building yeah so china's response to this was relatively collectively calm. I mean they simply released. A strongly worded statement saying some extreme elements used excessive violence to storm the legislature building and carried read out a series of large-scale assaults assault on their flag is it didn't say anything about anybody. Getting hurt just talked about you know spray paint if anyone someone got hurt it was a result probably a fleeing. The tear gas that the police fired at them. This is shocking heartbreaking and angering beijing said ed they're violating speaks beijing can say anything that's the way the states work right there. Just declare themselves to be symbols symbols of an entire group of people. That doesn't even really exist. They say beijing said they mean they mutually governed chinese government through their chinese. He's news agency which is run by the chinese government is zinn. Wa excited or something like that shinwa. Yeah i actually saw that. They have an english channel. Now that is a free to air television channels chinese state propaganda right on your own satellite. They went on to say that they're violent. Acts orne extreme challenge to hong kong's rule of law and seriously undermined hong kong's peace and stability it is totally intolerable which is totally ridiculous is propaganda. I mean the the big threat to hong kong's peace and stability right now. It's china absolutely beijing also call their behavior a flagrant challenge. Yes yes true to the one country two systems policy that has that has allowed hong kong to a certain degree of autonomy for decades gates <hes> well okay that much is not i mean it's china this challenging this policy with soldiers <hes>. I don't know <hes> i would imagine that's the case they they have but it's also like the hong kong legislature was not exactly screaming. Ming the songs of hong kong independence are true true but as the post reported some arkansas that direct statements from beijing and others included in state affiliated created media essentially outline instructions from chinese official for how hong kong should react to the protests that would be held. The hong kong government should react right. I see so start using these terms. Because are we talking about the people. Are we talking about the government because those thirty two completely different sets of <hes> individuals yeah one is protesting what the other is doing evidently and of course we don't know how many people in hong kong are are welcoming the chinese government. What are the breakdowns. What what do people actually think obviously. 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I'm on my way over over air. Sorry yeah i just wanted to chime in real quick and the guy in <hes> missouri i think you'll wasn't the walmart okay what about the guy who walked into a walmart open carrying a rifle of some sort and calls it was it was or he's avenue day <hes> and he had a glock and he had one hundred rounds concert two hundred rounds of ammo and it was i mean i don't let your you're probably you know. Most people don't know about these chats that they're doing around you know where they videotape and and they <hes> you know thinks first amendment in sacramento was checks. They're seeing if they <hes> authorities are actually following the ball and i. I don't know what you're referring to there. I've never heard of whatever that okay. Let me say i know what he's referring to at least with the first amendment one so people will go into <hes> the police stations and they will ask questions or whatever they're they're trying to ascertain whether these bureaucrats are doing what they're supposed to do. Whenever asked certain questions or whatever whatever but i've not heard of a second amendment check by going into a private business to see what the police are going to do most of the business it doesn't have any prohibition for open carrying so right. Basically it really doesn't matter where you go <hes>. This seems like a dangerous game to play. Hey no argument there. You know what would i let my a._k._47. In the car before i just go in with an open hostile whatever you know and that would have been plenty. This reminds me of those guys guys that you remember a couple years ago. There were a couple of <hes> jack balls that went into a starbucks with like rifles slung to their backs and i don't even know if they i don't know if they were slung to their backs sir how they were carrying them exactly. That's just not normal okay. I mean if you're in a warm well. It shouldn't be a problem but it shouldn't be normal. I i you know it's like why would you wanna correa full rightful then you wouldn't want to carry on every every day just a tool. That's that's why i mean you. Just wanna stir it up and there's nothing wrong with stirring controversy. I don't disagree with tab. There's a time and a place that's more appropriate and private business out of it is more appropriate like if you want to do an open carry event walk walk down the street with your hang on walked down the street with your rifle slung. Do your back walk into the police department with your rifle slung to your back. There's plenty of government went public places where you can have yourself and open carry event and still make your statement but to go into private business where you know people are going to be uncomfortable three days after a mass shooting in a walmart with a rifle and if you do this second amendment check you you know on web search. You'll find that it has been going on but not in private businesses. I think so but not a second amendment check. That's a check on whether or not the business wants you there. The walmart are what was shot up. There was a walmart. That got shot up recently. This is however are not required to follow the cossacks correct. Which is why it's stupid to call it a second amendment check. You're not checking anything about the second amendment. You're checking whether or not the business wants you to be making a ruckus naturally and turning their business location into a protest location but it's not it's not a protest. Everybody hates what i'm saying. If the guy walks in and out they have nobody gets excited. I see what you're saying. You know it just it just isn't a protest. He wasn't protesting. He was just trying to find out what what. I don't think it's fair to say. It wasn't protesting because they're still. It took more effort to take the a._k._47. Into the walmart because he didn't drive with that straddled on his back so he had to intentionally do this right and he did it for the reaction actually at five doc so he's trying to set people off trying not he's a tool he was he was the he had no intention and didn't make any action lee media attention of what to actually get point guns at any juan juan. Nobody should have did he did he. Just had odyssey and he's a jerk and the congratulations you had somebody hold a gun on you. Until the police lisa arrived. You've got the reaction you expect yeah looking at it and get shot leaving and it was a fireman who used his firearm arrived to hold him there right and not allow him leaving taint him and then they charged him with with terrorists. They charge this guy yeah which one the fire the guy that was carrying the right. I don't think that he needs to be charged. Thank you for the call tonight appreciate it. I don't think he needed to be charged with <hes> with terrorists yeah i don't. I don't think that charge is going to hold just being stupid but did he and speculating onto his motives here the primary reason he would have done this would have. I've been to cause fear. Among shoppers at walmart reaction didn't realize that that's what was going to happen then. He's an idiot a complete idiot but i don't think this guy's a complete. I think he knew what he was doing. You must have it was still not a good decision. No and the k. forty-seven is probably probably the worst example to use. It doesn't matter if he had a shotgun or a long rifle strapped to his back. Any big old gun like that is going to set people off. I walked into lahmar to here in new hampshire. Open carrying a pistol in a word right. I've walked into plenty of businesses in new new hampshire opened carrying a pistol and nobody said anything. I mean i've this is new hampshire. It isn't a manager in a different place and mississippi in that regard. The open carry isn't legal everywhere so this isn't something that you can. You can do everywhere but you know that's you're right though it is what are people expecting. What are they used to open. Open carry isn't unexpected in new hampshire. It's not something people are not used to unless they're like visiting from massachusetts. Sometimes he's getting a little a little freaked. Get get a little upset. Sometimes they call the cops and then nothing happens because the cops if a cop show up to a call like they might show up and they'll be like hey that's a pretty cool gun and they'll ask you questions about your gun because not because they care about like hear anything they're just like honestly interested in cool guns because yeah a lot of the cops here are from here so they grew up with that very cool. That's one thing that's been weird it to me is i didn't expect any part of new england to be as onboard with guns as places in the south but there's probably a higher ratio here of people who open and carry oh yeah i never saw down south except for cops. I saw it a lot in mississippi but it was shortly after mississippi past is constitutional open carry that we began seeing can get prior to that. No one did right. What do you think about gun. 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So the question became you know what's china going to do next. Because at that point all they had done was make a statement but the protests continue to escalate as one would imagine because the chinese government although although they didn't come in with like guns blazing this was the extradition act or whatever where they were attempting to extradite people from hong kong or creating the legal channels for them to extradite people and the people of hong kong understandably didn't like it because of the long list of things that are illegal in china but art illegal in hong kong no really lengthy list. I mean they don't even have the great firewall in hong kong no kidding. I didn't realize that that's pretty handy so things move forward a little bit <hes>. There doesn't really seem to be that much in this particular article so let's go to the resets headline making things where evidence weekend yes this weekend. One point seven million people came out in support of hong kong freedom adam. That's that's crazy for a population of seven something that is that is overwhelming. It's more than twenty. Percent of the population came came out to protest. That's that's unheard of leave -able during a downpour and a police order not to march from a park where they had gathered third earlier oh they went ahead and did it evidently. You can't stop them all coming to us from. Oh yes they can. They didn't they'll do it again. There were not one point one guy in front of that tank that was one of the final days slaughtered a bunch of college students now this many though no but i don't put it past them for a minute weeks of demonstrations have plunged the financial hub into crisis with images of mass black clad protestors engulfed by tear gas during street battles against riot police stunning a city renowned for its stability. Well now remember the difference between tiananmen. What was that eighty nine or eighty eight or standing on eighty nine. <hes> you know the only video cameras around were from news agencies right so the fact that there was video of that that that one guy in front of that tank is or a photo or whatever it was is incredible yeah. They didn't have the same well. They didn't have the same level of control at then either. Shuttle you had all kinds of foreign news agencies there and they would just send stuff straight straight out but now everybody's got a cell phone on them and so there's now of the one point eight seven million people. I bet you one point six nine of them. Have <hes> cell phones on them. Certainly one of the interesting things to learn about this is how they have been extinguishing tear gas canisters by using those orange traffic cones bottle of water in yes and it extinguishes the tear gas canister. That's so cool. It is very useful information about right so sunday's actions carry one of those around in in your car. There are plenty around here with all the road work. It drew more than one point seven million people which again is like twenty percents of the entire hong kong population collation making it one of the largest rally since the protests began about three months ago according to organizers these civil human rights front is being being billed as a return to the peaceful origins of the leaderless protest movement. I don't know what they mean by that well. It sounds good. I take a leaderless protest. Movement is something you wanna have because what the government goons are gonna do is. They're gonna come down. They perceived to be the leaders of any given movement. It had happened here in <hes> in keene new hampshire when we had a much smaller protests of one hundred people or so one hundred thirty maybe on it at its peak in downtown central square. Who did they go. After the people they considered to be the leaders if they don't know who the leaders are. You'll frequently see the police show up on a scene and say all right who's in charge here and we don't know everyone is just kind of doing their own thing man right and and and and when you come back with that answer of there's no one in charge the police. I don't know what to do right especially if they're outnumbered. They don't know how to handle it but it's not just police the average person when they're looking for an authority they they don't know how to react. I mean we saw at fort fest. Was somebody came up and was like hey who's in charge here and you said something like nobody in right. He changed just as name but yeah. He rolled his eyes with no idea how to react well and it turned out. That guy was kinda commie. Wasn't that the guy that was. I'm pretty sure that was the guy who was like advocating some form of socialism throughout the forecast. Oh like rock yeah yeah. I think you're correct yeah. That was him. He was a nice guy. It was and i don't i don't wanna put words in his mouth that that was just my interpretation of discipline until we interviewed no. He backed out and he wouldn't interview yeah. That's right. I don't blame him yeah so anyway. Police said this would be the hong kong police presumably that the protests reached east about one hundred and twenty eight thousand people which seems to be a pretty severe big discrepancy yeah of course they'll want to downplay that because the the hong kong police as i understand it are pretty much in the pocket of the chinese government well yeah. They're the ones who cut them their paychecks but protests they've morphed into a broader call not just for you know a maintenance of their independence but actively advocating for freedom liberty and what they're characterizing as democratic rights anger has been sharpened among protesters by the heavy-handedness of the police who have used tear gas baton charges and rubber bullets incidents that have gained wide attention on social media launched a rubber bullet at this one girl put her house <music>. She was so what protesters did is. They were eyepatches to protect themselves no to draw attention to the fact <hes> okay well good on them. They're not the only ones however who were using social media to paint this. One particular way or the other facebook and twitter twitter have both deleted dozens twitter nearly a thousand accounts believed to be what they were controlled by people in mainland china which of course has has bad facebook and twitter. Oh so twitter's actually coming down in favor of the protestors there it would seem so they've said that the the chinese government is using state actors <hes> to manipulate public opinion using social media like facebook and twitter. I would never do that to paint the protesters as violent and unruly. They compare them to isis in one image. Wow yeah they're saying disruptive and i mean that's true new protests by definition disruptive. They've got one hundred down the airport for two days if you've got one hundred thousand or more people in the streets there's not coach no car. That's going to get through there so this just came today. Facebook and twitter discovered took down networks of accounts that had originated end mainland china where both social networks are blocked which is they're not blocked. Here's who were performing disinformation campaign right exactly exactly the accounts had posted that hong kong protesters were acting violently and accused them of alterior motives facebook post like and the protesters to isis fighters well they say it's an escalation of global disinformation wars in two thousand fifteen and two thousand sixteen russia pioneered disinformation playbook when it used facebook twitter instagram and other social media services to disseminate inflammatory messages intended to divide americans in the two thousand sixteen presidential election all of that is completely unsubstantiated rumor as i understand it and there has still been no evidence. It's that russia in fact did this. Since then many other countries including bangladesh iran and venezuela have also turned to facebook and twitter to sort so discord at home and abroad china however had been less visible doing it until until these protests yeah. 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Doing you know these. These protesters are holding up american flags. Say things like we need the second amendment. Wow that yeah the story. I've got here from a._f._p. A._f._p. That you'd started earlier. Says late in the evening was sunday. Hundreds of masked protesters briefly gathered outside the government headquarters shouting reclaim reclaim hong kong revolution of our times before dispersing state media has run images of military personnel armored personnel carriers across the border in shenzhen jensen prompting the united states to warn beijing against sending in troops analysts say any intervention by chinese security forces would be a disaster for china's china's reputation and economy. I don't think china cares and i don't think they have to care their the economic powerhouse of the world well this is this is true. China's has built up their their mainland economy to the point where they they don't really need hong kong to be special anymore. Well i mean whether they do need that or not. <hes> they don't need public opinion. They don't need the worldwide opinion. <hes> the united states government can't stop trading with china. Neither can the european union or russia or australia or any other nation that is buying sixty to seventy percent of its goods from china no not yet. Let's get into the phones. We've got linney calling from fort smith linney. You're on free talk. Live i how you doing. Hey lenny good. What's on your mind. Well i well before the break. I guess the last break <hes> the the the flash question. Was you know about the second amendment being outdated dated our opinion on it yeah actually the whole reason was written okay. The whole reason it was written makes it never you know out dateable because it was to protect us from our own government right a tyrannus government so just in that alone it can never be outdated because who's to say when the terrain ius tyrannous however the pronunciation of the government is in too much for the average joe to <hes> you know handling more and rise up against the government or whatever isn't that the whole region it was written to yes absolutely try understanding that my question would be because of how the federal government has you know stomped on it throughout the last two hundred and fifty years. Do you believe that you are still capable of armed revolt in the event that it were to come onto that against the united states government or have they already imposed so many restrictions and regulations that such a revolution would be short-lived well can can. I tell you what i have a little insight on that little different than the average person i did twenty eight rotations overseas tier one direct action unit okay at it's our little. We had our little thing. We called a <hes> h r._t. Bar and grill all it was was from hess go set up and our little lawn chairs ears and little circle after work before work everyone who played it. We just kind of sat around and and shot the crap. 'cause there's nothing else to do over there. Okay we've talked about that. A million times and i do believe that i'm not the only one with my background. You'd be surprised the majority of people at the special operations background that it worked so hard you know stay in the shadows not do much not say much but when you start pushing on us directly you would be surprised of the college graduate kid ed who just graduated flexi with his federal badge would have a rude awakening to come get me and my brothers weapons 'cause we won't be on the side. There's a lot of people think we would be on this interesting because i've heard it's good to hear i've heard the opposite from a lot of former soldiers who i had one former soldier. Tell me directly rex lee to my face that if he was given the order to shoot me he would obey it without hesitation there. Was this a special operation exactly. I was gonna say i'll bet shia paycheck. He would dress right dress military not a free thinker. I don't recall i mean is it the whole goal of boot camp and the military training in general though to inhibit inhibit freethinking i'm sure some slip through the cracks but is it like with the problem you have the dress right dress military the by the book cayenne tights uniform press and then you have the guys that are you know one a little more out of it can think outside the box and actually special operations rations world <hes> and encourages freethinking as a matter of fact part of o._t._c. is thinking out of the box. You know <hes> can you. Can you make creative decisions stations under under stress. Are you creative to get out of a certain situation. What can you do with this very small footprint versus. What the conventional you you know standard in the box. Thinker has to take fifty men to do well. There's a night and day difference in the two types of quote unquote soldiers. Take the kind of missions you're going on. You can't follow the book because there is no book from <hes> from police at least here in new hampshire who have said they would not enforce a gun confiscation. They would not participate. I a whole harm in a little community. I live in <hes> same thing. The local law enforcement guys they totally support you know constitutional arkansas constitutional missile carry state by the way they support it. It's not like <hes> they're trying to gun grab. That's that's more of a federal level and actually to be honest with you. I've never seen a quote. Unquote federal agent interested in gun grabbing. It seems to always be the politicians you know. The talking heads well okay so i have seen some video and it was pretty scary stuff. It was actually during the cleanup after hurricane katrina down in new orleans now. I realized this was more than a decade ago but it's still relevant because there were california highway patrol which of course it's california so of course you'd expect but but <hes> but not just california highway patrol it was also i believe it was <hes> national guardsmen if i recall correctly but it was federal roll force of some sort that was was in there <hes> and they were literally going door to door demanding people hand over their guns <hes> there is there's a video <hes> where a._b._c. news interviews one of these young men probably no older than nineteen and asked him if he would take guns from or ask him if he would shoot an american and he said if he had to he would absolutely shoot an american <hes> and the suggestion was that if the american wasn't doing what they were told right handing-over guns they would be either shot or subdued and there was actual video of the california highway patrolmen going into an old woman's home in like basically tackling her to to try to get a pistol from her which was and that was all during a drill was not a drill katrina hurricane katrina california highway patrol be involved katrina in they need people so they went out they they called in warm bodies from all over the country boys. Come on out. Here's the chance to take people's guns. I mean that's the danger ensure fema act and acts like it is that they allow the president or the governor to say hey this is the rule and this is a state of emergency so the rules no longer apply and we're going to take your round you up and put you in these trailers that you can't escape from. Oh by the way we're going to put razor wire around the and if you just so happen to die hoops and then they sent bottled water to maine so so you know full circle though the type of quote unquote soldiers you guys are talking about you know <hes> no dang on the national guard or the state the <hes> the national guard or guys like that guys are dress right dress low trained soldiers. Those guys aren't tip of the spear. You know those guys are still thinking inside the box but there are more and those will be the ones they send us still nice to hear your opinions on this and i definitely appreciate appreciate it. It is thank you so much for the call lenny. I'm always happy to hear from soldiers who are like you know. We are supposed to think for ourselves because there's historical precedent set that you know basically says i was only following. Orders is not a reasonable defense. That's essentially the nuremberg defense in hasn't ever ever been valid but that's essentially what these soldiers who would confiscate people's guns. I would shoot american. Citizens are saying they would do. I would just follow the orders. I was given regardless of the legality of those orders as a tough situation because generals don't want their their privacy abyss out there going. I don't know if i should actually listen to the general. I don't think he knows what he's talking about. So i'm not going to obey this command for the whole military thing think that's bad right. Which is why as i understood it part of the entire military training apparatus was meant to train that out of people but i i don't know i didn't serve i've never been in the military and have bank goodness oh intention whatsoever of being in the middle of the brief time in my life where i considered it and i'm glad i didn't go that direction direction. I considered it at one point. When things were like really bad being from mississippi trying to go to college and all that i was like well they're promising the college education but i- resourceful forceful i can do this without dying in the middle east so what's coming up next coming up next. We have planned parenthood always a hot topic for people but get this. They have rejected federal funds because of all strings attached to them. Yes it's awesome. Go planned parenthood. 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That's i've had that as well there who i go to for my trans hormones which obviously the same people who are antiabortion are also not fans of that at so that doesn't do anything to endear them to planned parenthood but they do quite a bit more they offer free condoms free birth control and all manner of things as is a sexual and reproductive health clinic right. It's almost like they're trying to help. People plan their parenthood zinc and avoid s._t._d.'s and in you know all kinds of other good things like other never had a bad experience with those people absolutely not they are the friendliest health workers i've ever met <hes> i ran out of estradiol <hes> this past week because normally i can call and <hes> or i can just go there and you know but this time i was like i'm just gonna call schedule an appointment like normal. I just happened be out at the time. It wasn't a big deal. I just take like they'll get tomorrow. Be in and out. They'll take ten minutes but they actually were booked until the twenty eighty six. It didn't matter okay. They went ahead and sent them to the pharmacy for me. The whole encounter took like five minutes tops on the phone yeah homophones. That's nice. You haven't even have to go go in no. I'll have to go in on the twenty six. I see but i mean for something like that or anything like that but yeah i got the refill and is is it's just amazing to encounter that versus my general experience with doctors which is an extreme unwillingness to write these in the first place. Even if i can prove who've i've been on them for a while which i can or they just want to prescribe painkillers which is less of an issue here in new hampshire but a significant issue in the south on earth was even prescribe painkillers for though at the time i wanted the painkillers so there there was literally a doctor who would sit down and ask you what you wanted and then right you those you don't get those at the planned parenthood clinics. My experience with them has always been they treat me. As a human being there actually concerned about my health and wellbeing they have pamphlets about domestic abuse pointing out that did it occurs not just against men against women but also against men good for them so it's a really interesting. The first time i ever encountered a nine eleven conspiracy theory in fact was at a planned parenthood really they had like a one hundred and seventeen page booklet out there about various interesting facets of september eleventh that i just sat down and started reading it wow they also had one that went over the history of israel l. and palestine and all of that it was very counter official narrative type stuff that i found there and this was in the deep south right so there's a pleasant experience. I was little rock arkansas. Actually i didn't have any experience with them until i moved here and here they've got a nice convenient location downtown. They do <hes> like you said normally when you go in there <hes> for me. It's always been s._t._d. Related getting tests done and that kind of thing and they are super friendly. I mean they're obviously afraid of crazy. Protesters so like you gotta buzz yourself to get in. That's not because they're not friendly but it's because of if you know the people who are against the buzzed me and as i'm on my way 'cause i've never had to myself but when they see me they yeah it's pretty obvious i'm not a protester faster and so you know i've always had a good experience and then like when you go to pay their they obviously have some tie ins with the government government. They do get some government funding for things from i think from the state level as well because i remember one time they told me about some sort of new hampshire program that covers is this or that and they basically one of the ways they they do payment for those that aren't covered by whatever program is you can kind of pay based on your income essentially <hes> and that's you know i'm fine with that. That's no big deal. I don't mind giving money to an organization providing invaluable service and but at the same time i do understand why some people are against planned parenthood because they are getting money from the state and if you're against abortion or against you know trans people or whatever it is you might be against then it makes sense that you would be against the state eight giving money to this particular organization so those people aren't wrong giving the money. I'm not a fan of the government you know using my tax dollars to pay for bombs exactly so i understand why they're upset about their tax dollars being used for various purposes news about this. I do indeed so. They said today that they planned. Parenthood is going to withdraw from the federal family planning program that provides birth control and other health services to poor women and rather than comply with a new trump administration rule that forbids referrals doctors who can perform abortions bats the right choice to make it is a beautiful choice and i'm super thrilled. I expect donations to planned parenthood increase as a result of this right because you know now you're not underneath the federal government's thumb anymore. If you're not taking their money you're not as behold into whatever strings is that are attached to those money. This is the same reason why the state of new hampshire won't take money from the federal government and therefore have to implement seatbelt law pointing hampshire's the only state of all the fifty states that doesn't have an adult seat belt laws all right because they refused the money from the federal government because it comes with those strengths now finally they did it more often <hes> then we'd be even more free as a result of that but this is the right direction to go in and they should they should promote this to their to their flock to their existing donators and say hey look. We're not taking this federal money now. So we do still need the money to provide the free a i'm sure they want to continue providing the free contraception. I'm sure so somebody's gonna pay for it and what we learned in two thousand sixteen during the election win what's his name pits came out. I guess planned parenthood. Lots of people pool donated money to planned parenthood in mike pence's name but they did increase their donations and the result of oh. We're gonna pull funding funding from planned parenthood. Oh well that's okay because yeah i would rather pay for the service voluntary which is interesting. I mean you mentioned the whole payment thing that they have never are accepted money from me. <hes> i've attempted to pay them repeatedly but my oh we'll just we'll just send you a bill and of course because the mail carriers here like to screw with me. I've never received any such bill. I don't receive most of the mail. I'm supposed to get a very weird. If it's important the mail carrier is not going to deliver it to let me hear yes. I've never had that problem if as an ad for market basket though deliver it but if it's a bill debit card thanks statement whatever host getting returned to sender n- every single time comes through though have you talked to the postal carrier i personally mature until one of them went to the post office and smoke with them. I was like look. They're like oh well. You gotta have your name on the little piece of paper in the mailbox. It's there yeah yeah. I've already done that. Just talking about aria di mezzo or your other name. Both names are on there <hes> because some malcolm's for argument's some comes from the other her name. Both names are on there. I covered that base immediately. Just stop paying attention to the frequent names just deliver whatever mill is supposed to be set to this stupid stupid address. What is complicated about this right. It has improved okay. Only one of the four debit cards that i was supposed to receive this month was returned returned to sender three of them actually arrived so that's progress. Yes it is progress. I think somebody at the post office doesn't like you. That would be my gassing gassing personal. Is this happening because you guys both live in the same houses that happening to you as well like i hardly ever get mail there anyway but everything i had sent their has come through interesting yeah. I don't know screw them. I have for the most part found ways around them. <hes> bills just get emailed to me now for the most part it does. It's become problematic. I need like a debit card or something because there's really no other way to receive that u._s. They u._p._s. and fedex aren't going to deliver something so inconsequential. So do you think that <hes> with this news about planned parenthood that are people going to keep protesting them now. That's a good question the fact that they exist. Is that what they're gonna. Protest abortion bad only time i ever saw a protest at a planned parenthood was in little rock arkansas. Though i've seen scene one here really it's only one woman stands out there really a protest sure sure it is there's more about this news because as sixty million dollars that planned parenthood has said no and that's an awesome thing eight five five four five zero three seven three three. Tell us what you think about planned. Parenthood is oral health important important to you. If you don't like your teeth fresh breath or kissing people then by all means. Stop listening several years ago. I met jessica on founder and c._e._o. Of my magic mutt and i became passionate about the product that she created and never wanna live without it. It's clinically proven to whiten teeth. I find it does much more. They want you to love my magic mud as much as i do so they're giving you a money. 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Parenthood is the only provider of such services. I don't know what rural communities referring to being from a pretty rural place in mississippi. There was a one actually run by the county. I don't remember now what it was called but it performed exactly those services that was actually where my wife at the time went to get her birth control and hers screenings for breast and cervical cancer but evidently in states like utah where planned parenthood is the only organization receiving title x funds and minnesota where planned parenthood serves ninety percent of the title ix patience those seeking can care may face long waits for appointments planned parenthood said while other patients may delay care or go without that's unfortunate <hes> so if there was ever a time for the people who support planned parenthood to step up and began making donations. It seems like now would be that time yeah now i if if you actually support planned parenthood now's the now's the time to open the wall if you don't and while the bad news is at least according to wikipedia article about planned parenthood it says here their combined annual revenue is one point three billion u._s. Wow and that includes approximately i five hundred and thirty million in government funding such as medicaid reimbursements so the sixty million that we're talking about here is a drop in the bucket of their entire budget but also a small fraction a fraction of their <hes> of their governmental disbursements about government money is that when they give it to you you with strings attached to use it for certain certain purposes yes. The strings attached here was that people who received the title x money could not receive abortion referrals and things like that so if you went to your regular college or whoever does these o._b._g._y._n. Whatever and they're like hey you're. We're not going to be able to have this baby. Because of reason why you need to go. Have it aborted or you're going to die or the baby's going to die or whatever here's a referral to planned parenthood that would have been a violation of the new regulations by the trump administration knew what really doing with this money before providing birth birth control and things like an pregnancy tests okay and screenings for s._t. Is and breast and cervical cancer okay so just the usual stuff. I mean yeah probably probably doesn't matter to them when they receive sixty million dollars. They probably don't earmark okay well. This sixty million can only be spent on these services or whatever they just been the money as they would need eat it. I would imagine i don't know i've never run a billion dollar organization especially when it gets protested so frequently yeah. It's not clear what at least through my my brief research here. It's not clear what percentage of the five hundred plus million that they're receiving from various government programs is is going to say medicaid payments or whatever but you know most people aren't going to go out and protest a doctor's office for taking medicaid payments. That's true right. It's the abortion service that people protest it's abortion. That's what it is. I've had the pleasure of dealing with some abortion protesters while escorting someone to have an abortion worship the planned parenthood in little rock arkansas really yeah. That was a fun experience it was so tissot was like seven thirty in the morning. How many protesters were five. I think there was there's a catholic church literally right across the street and they were all there as part of that shirt okay they were shouting their random nonsense about how the girls were going to regret it and all of that holding their size is and it was so tense and anxious everyone was uncomfortable until i turned around and shouted something to them about their god not existing so it didn't matter what he thought and even though i was standing there because i'm a really calm person but when i've got people standing there shouting at me it's just a matter of time before i shall back uh-huh and i did and standing there with this group of people who were all christians right and who all catholics or christians christian okay. They were athletes arkansas. They were almost certainly some sort of christian. I've taught the girls who were waiting for the building to open so they could go into their services says right. Oh you're saying those girls were the christian yes but it was the catholics who are out front protesting. Yes thought it okay so sending there with this group of christians essentially just shouting that there wasn't a god god. They all began laughing. The girls waiting on their services like an uncomfortable kind of laughter. No it was a happy kind of laughter because shouting something back at these as people broke their power and all of that oppressive tension that they had been creating and suddenly everybody just started sparking up their own conversations it was it's no longer awkward and uncomfortable good so they they were doing nothing to help this situation by standing out there shouting anyway right right they did go away shortly after after that once they realized that we were just ignoring them and not being berated by their random screeching well they want to make people feel like they're being looked down upon they want to shame yeah <hes> they want to change behavior through societal pressure yeah and it doesn't work the pressure. Isn't there unless we allow it to be there. There are ways of breaking that pressure like shouting back. I suppose counter. Protesting is essentially what i did so maybe counter protesting is a valid approach sounds like it worked for you yeah well. It worked for them. It i mean i i was just there but the group's decision that would be planned parenthood to stop accepting this money is being cheered by antiabortion groups good that yeah that have long sought to deprive planned parenthood of federal support reports say long awaited victory that will energize the pro-life grass roots said. I don't know some president the president of the march for life whatever ever that is i assume for some pro life group. It's an antiabortion wait a minute. I mean that's a that's a twist to call it a victory nine percents of their federal refund but that's not what i mean when i mean is these groups these antiabortion groups. They weren't the ones that made this happen. It was the decision in a planned parenthood he said we don't want to deal with this government crap anymore to accept this money so we're just going to say no to it so it's not like the antiabortionist should be cheering what they've done because they didn't make that decision and it wasn't they who were an influence in making that decision. I don't know they're accepting accepting. They're saying we have a victory here even though they didn't do anything to achieve a victory but the best go ahead sorry the pro-life people would be the reason that those strings were attached to the planned parenthood funding would they not could be and it was those strings being a test that calls planned parenthood and say okay so maybe. I don't believe that was their plan but maybe it was just a matter of okay. We'll attached so many strings to this and then eventually they just don't want to do with anymore. Okay well. Maybe i'm fine. Would that not being funded by the federal government. 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It doesn't mean that he was a nice guy or anything like that and in addition to that he if allegations are correct he was also an actual real rapist who actually committed rape and i'm not talking statutory rape here. I'm talking act that's allegation by one i think young woman who said that she had gone there multiple times to his house and performed massages on him that eventually that he asked her to go further and she attempted to reviews and was then held down and and raped against her. Will that was the claim traumatic but then again you know when you deal with these claims. There's very rarely any actual evidence right on well there could be if you you get raped and then there's evidence left inside of you you then go to the hospital and they can take that evidence right but that's true if you don't do something right away way than the evidence gone goes away over time and recently he died allegedly well. That's that's right. The conspiracy people are already cooking up plots that he's been <hes> ferreted out to his own island and all kinds of stuff see. I went for the least conspiratorial royal. Take on it that i could which is okay. He's dead. Maybe committed suicide. Maybe he was murdered at any rate. He's dead but even that is in dispute took given the fact that he apparently signed his will two days before he was found dead. This is one of those stories that's come out recently. I mean that definitely points to him intending to kill himself. That's that's some evidence right there. But of course the conspiracy people will say it's all part of the plot. I guess evidently they just two days before he killed himself. Allegedly in his manhattan chill sell leaving behind nearly six hundred million dollars. He signed his will. The court documents filed in the u._s. Virgin islands where the convicted sex molester this okay very weird phrasing k. right. Where's the source. This is from the new york post near post. Okay it's from the article you sent me. He owned two islands including including one that locals dubbed pedophile island so this was not exactly it was an elephant in the room that nobody was addressing yeah ever ah from on anderson pretty much everybody in the virgin islands news going on and so did all of the people at the apartment in florida and the one in in manhattan. I mean you can't hide something like this. If you're regularly flying out fourteen year old girls through your private island to have sex with them people are going to notice and they're not going to do anything about it because he's got money yeah. What are you gonna do if he pays them to shut up then then yeah. That's about the only thing you can do and he apparently <hes> bragged quite a bit about all the you know the benefits that having a bunch of money brought to him and that's where this story comes from from the miami hi it's amy herald headline in the herald has been doing some of the best investigative journalism about epstein. They've raised the ones who i got him in trouble correct iraq i that may be the case way back in ten years ago right yeah. They've got some really detailed stories about him where they really did a lot of good journalism <hes> but <hes> headline headline why was jeffrey epstein allowed to purchase small women's panties from the palm beach jail. I saw this over the weekend. I thought we've we've gotta talk about about this 'cause so this is like now what's happening is like all the craziest stuff is coming out about this guy because a lot of documents have been released that haven't been released before in fact. He ended up killing himself on the very same day that the documents as i understand it. The documents were actually released from <hes> from the court that like i'd like two thousand pages of documents that were i think they were sealed in a civil case that was brought against him. Those are now sounds right. Those are now out certainly certainly suggest that we're going to learn just how sick and depraved this individual actually was the fact that and how powerful and influential he was that's right because i've been in jail before for civil disobedience and i'm pretty sure that i couldn't talk to anybody and get them to give me anything off. The women's commissary like it wouldn't have even crossed my mind of course to ask for it but like that just doesn't happen. You don't get the order book if you're a male inmate. You don't get the panties section in your order sheet right decade ago. This was this was when he he was doing his jail stint three decades ago. No it's a decade ago. I thought he was in nineteen ninety. One two thousand six two dozen who's in the arts convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein made an odd purchase at the facility store two pairs of small women's panties size five now. I don't know anything about women sizing aria but i suspect you do. I wear a size five okay. You're not you're not a very big. I mean you're tallish but you're not i'm skinny. You're not overweight right so size five according to this here it was just one of thousands of dollars a purchase made by the disgraced disgraced financier while in jail after pleading guilty in two thousand eight to soliciting a minor for sex according to his purchase log his top purchase was a single serve cups of coffee coffee which he of which he bought more than eight hundred thirteen months but the panties raise questions about why a childless male inmate accused of sexually abusing girls as young as fourteen would be allowed to buy female undergarments so small that they wouldn't fit an average sized adult woman. The panties were certainly too small mall for epstein who also purchased his briefs in men's medium and sweatshirts ranging from x. l. to three x._l. And size twelve shoes that is the the best i've ever heard in my life the best i can you just imagine the journalist as they sat down to write that statement so what sci-fi panties would not have fit the sixty-six-year-old pedophile billionaire right so what or who were they for maybe he liked them tight and like that and why wouldn't the purchase raise eyebrows under the circumstances further. How could it have even even been made in the first place but it's one of the many questions that arise from thousands of pages of records obtained by the miami herald from the palm beach county sheriff's office this so this isn't even the court documents that came out this is just they did a freedom of information request asking the palm beach bureaucrats for all the info they had. What about this man. Stay in jail records. I would imagine it's not terribly unlikely that if you were just in n._h._l. And you ask the guards to sell you a pair of pennies women's commissary. I imagine most of them would do it. It wouldn't do much for your reputation among the other inmates well. I don't know how they you know it sounds to me like they actually had inventory because it says here the stockade held male and female inmates separately explaining while the pain why the panties were stocked because a lot of times with commissary at least here in in new hampshire you place an order and they get it from a company company so it's not like they've got an inventory of panties just sitting in some room somewhere. Necessarily they're placing an order. It takes a week in a lot of cases to get stuff from commissary so there's some corporation that the jail gets a contract with and they place orders with the corporation so in order to get a pair of panties. Somebody would have to place that order and there would be an accountability for it. There's a record of that unlikely that a man in n._h._l. Could order a pair of pants. It's quite a quite unusual. I think that would be difficult. I don't know if you're a jail. Try awesome guys in prison in michigan. Let us know how it goes. The other inmates no about this well. That's the other thing it'll the word will spread fast too. Which is why i would imagine that most people don't do it. That's probably one reason are you man who wears pennies eight five five four five zero three seven three three <hes> fellow patriots my name's todd savage founder of black rifle real estate dot com like you. I was a prisoner of the sanctuary state until one day. I chose to leave my family only to freedom today. We live on a sustainable twenty acre homestead where we shoot hunt garden and homeschool our children without the tyranny of the nanny state looking over us if you're ready to flee the city need to the freedom of idaho or montana are black rifle real estate team is here to help go to black rifle real estate dot com. That's black rifle real estate dot com. 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You can learn more about those and get signed up over at amp dot freetalklive dot com now we've been talking about jeffrey epstein and some unusual purchases that he evidently made while in jail size five versus panties yes and for some perspective on that. I wear a size five uh-huh. It's actually three to seven that. I wear three five minutes. Seven but five is most uncomfortable so it's a pretty small size definitely too small for the average adult male all small too small for jeffrey. Epstein is the specter as well given that they say that his other orders were like x._l. Two three x._l. Sweat shirts and and briefs in men's medium yeah so he was definitely not wearing these panties. Now what's weird about this now. Epstein day the first time at the west palm beach jail i guess he was allowed to leave the prison store where he bought these panties in a chauffeur driven car that took him to his downtown office building for twelve hours a day six days a week. This dude was rich enough to you. Get a break from jail six days a week well now. You don't have to be rich to get work release jail so that's pretty extreme work release though <hes> it's. I don't know i'm not going to say for sure whether that's unusual as far as work. Release is concerned generally work release will let you out if you're you know a a reasonable person not expected to be a flight risk essentially as i understand it like okay. Well you know you wanna be productive. You've been a good boy in the jail for x. Amount of time time and we believe you're gonna come back to check in at night because basically what you do. Is you get released to go to your job during the daytime and then at night you're expected to report back a certain time and if you're not back by that time they may charge you criminally or you know put a an all points bulletin out for your your capture and then you won't get to go out again <hes> but in the case of epstein they actually get into a little bit deeper here. It got a little better than what you said. According to the story here in the research they did at the miami ame herald because again. They pulled a bunch of records from palm. Beach county says what's clear from palm. Beach sheriff's records is that epstein's wealth provided him extraordinary extrordinary privileges during his thirteen month. Stay in the palm beach stockade from june thirtieth twenty two thousand eight to july twenty second two thousand nine including an unlocked cell cell door almost unlimited access to a television a perhaps uniquely generous work release program that met he spent almost as much time outside the jail as in it the longer he stayed the cushier. Things got six day a week. Work release was extended to seven hours outside of the cell where extended it from twelve to sixteen. He was permitted to pass some of the time at home records that once referred to him as an inmate now called him client client what the hell so so he had plenty of opportunities to drop by walmart and and by his own pans now danny sure and store them at his office where he was spending twelve to sixteen hours a day but pointed out during the break michael was it apparently he did spend and some amount of time without work. My understanding is his work. This work release started about three months after he went originally went in which is pretty standard for a work release program not for sex offenders who mourns eligible for work release but in most cases if you get sentenced to thirteen months in jail and you're good for three months and you can prove hey i have this job. Get back to that's about when you get your work release so but the thing we don't know is when because we don't have the records and they don't say here at least so far is when were these panties ordered worthy panties ordered during his work release time or was it during the three three months because if it was during the work release time that really suggests this guy just can't stop thinking about you know sex or whatever and i mean who can so he's got the he's got to have his pants at the office and in the jail cell i don't understand though is what role the panties were playing in his whatever they just made them feel better whatever it was. I don't think we can talk about that on the radio because i suspect that he wasn't wearing them but according to the story here again they call him a client. After a little while in the records deputies required to wear business suits provided bided security for epstein while he was on work release they guarded the door to his office or home sometimes from the outside rather than keeping an eye directly on epstein eighteen which i don't think you typically get guards on work release yeah this is this is this is extraordinary this is this is so far beyond a work release program that that he must have been paying those guys to do this as a second job well. It says that he was paying for that security but i would tend to imagine action that you know th i prefer to err on the side of humans are generally good so i like to think that the deputies were probably watching him to make sure he didn't continue. Can you having sex with underage girls. How would they know well. They would know who when he was missing. He did it. You know. The girls weren't in there before they went before they brought from there. I don't some i mean he certainly could afford to send a driver around it. You know five a._m. Or whatever time he needed to deliver them some deputies expressed relief in their daily reports that he seemed pleased with services rendered the records from palm beach suggests the local sheriff's office never intended to treat the convicted sex offender as a typical inmate eight explicitly because of his extraordinary wealth in an email on the day epstein reported to jail captain. Mark chamberlain wrote that the new inmate was a person of quote unusual means unquote so they're incorrect. Degel isn't correct. He was not their client. They were his is high and expressed concerns that other prisoners might try to extort or manipulate him chamberlain wrote quote his financial status lends itself to his being victimized while in custody and best such he has been placed in special management which is true. You don't wanna send somebody who has five hundred billion dollars or five hundred million. Sorry into a jail cell with you know ordinary common day criminals. He is poorly versed in jail routine and society and his adjustment to incarceration association will be will most likely be atypical for the time being. I'm authorizing that his cell door be left unlocked and that he'd be given liberal access to the attorney room where a television will be installed wonder how much that costs for epstein. I've only just a few grand but it's interesting listening to this bureaucrat kind of dance around with bureaucratese on why they're giving this guy special treatment. I mean they're never concerned with anybody else adjusting going to jail but here. He says he's poorly versed in jail routine. Well guess what so's everybody who goes to jail for the very first time ever yeah i surrey i in jail routine and i went to jail and i lived right now and they don't give you like it's not like you go and you get your first job where you sit down and watch the twenty minute video to let you know that you know you're going to have to get in line for <hes> for breakfast lunch and dinner and these are the times that they're served that you just kind of pick it up as you go along and the idea that this guy deserves some sort of special treatment i mean it's just ridiculous. Have you seen a clockwork orange longtime ago. Its depiction of what this light to enter. A prison and i've never been to prison but i've been to jail is extremely accurate. That's what the ordinary person gets. Its stripped down. Get naked. Let us search you don't talk back. This is what you do you obey commands or we beat you but with epstein much is oh no we're going to leave his cell on lots aww give him his own specialty and let him order panties for unknown reasons according to epstein's associates. He claimed he required quote three orgasms a day just to function. Oh my god i mean there's a record apparently of who visited epstein while on work release a daily log maintained by deputies tucked away in a safe but that has been destroyed droid imagine that things that make you go wonder why well as you pointed out earlier he also one of his attorneys was a young woman. This is this time though the attorney story is that a very young female attorney was visiting him in the new york correctional l. center that he was staying in and he was paying his attorneys to visit him for up to twelve hours a day so he didn't have to sit in his cell the whole time but remember when you have an attorney visit. That's the privileged visit. 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I think most fans know that the ball is flying out a stadiums at a record rate and i saw that there was a series between houston and the oakland a.'s and in one game the two teams hit twelve home runs twelve home runs also the giants in arizona they had double digits home runs combined and arizona in one game against philadelphia hit thirteen gene the dodgers in one game hit eight home runs the think something is wrong with the ball. He can't be that all these pictures of all of a sudden gotten bad. Now i know the hairs are swinging from their heels but i hope they do something about this. I know the home run is exciting and everything but it isn't. It just isn't fair. <hes> a fan poll question interesting one yankees manager aaron boone suggested a mercy rule after his team got blown out by cleveland nineteen to five a good idea or bad idea now. I'm gonna just come out right here and say good idea. I think after seven innings if you're up by by fourteen runs just wave a white flag and say that's it. Let's go have something to eat and get a drink. I don't know whether you've heard or not but <hes> we lost somebody. In the sports broadcasting field he was a giant jack whitaker at ninety five died yesterday and of course that means i get a chance to go into the library and see and share with you an interview that i did with jack former emmy award winning and hall of fame sportscaster for both c._b._s. and a._b._c. He began his network sports career. Nineteen sixty wanted c._b._s. Where he did play by play for the philadelphia eagles also hosted the anthology series c._b._s. Sports pack <hes> spectacular. He worked worked for c._b._s. For more than two decades. He is probably best remembered for his coverage of golf and horse racing he covered the triple crown events golf's four major championships campionships the very first super bowl championship boxing the north american soccer league and also major league baseball and he was the last living play by play announcer from the first twenty one super bowls and until his death he was the only living television broadcaster from the first seven super bowls he he was a gentleman and he was a pro and we'll share with you when we come back my interview with jack whitaker. It has been said that everyone has a book in them but you have the time. Are they ability to write your book. Maybe you picked up some skills or head alight experience that you'll want to pass on in the form of a book to help others. Maybe you wanna leave and autobiography kharafi for your family or maybe you built a successful business and you want to share your story at dorrance publishing company. 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Tell me a little bit about the state of the profession and broadcasting particularly sports broadcasting yeah well as you can imagine there's a lot more primitive than it is now and i think a lot more fun. I mean we're all jets. We all came from radio and we're all just <hes> radio and movies and everybody's experimenting. Nobody knew in what lay around the next corner. I was a lot of fun on and <hes> we had a great time as a good time to run. I also sense that everybody had their own unique style instead of today where somebody may be trying to copy somebody else well i am. He has except <hes>. We still try to copy. Everybody has a role model and we were. We were taking the people on radio in those days but <hes> you're right. There was some people making some <hes> <hes> new frontiers you know making their own new styles because television television was so completely different than radio and all of us were trying to adjust to the fact that the picture is told us a lot of the things that you know you guys on radio still have the best way you paint those pictures and do the talking and we have to kind of work with the pictures on the television so <hes> but that was part of the learning process it really was. I know that when i was at c._b._s. Sports and we used to do the pregame halftime in the post game show down in the bowels of the stadium. Remember we used to have to turn the boards and everything i think no matter when you worked in television or at what level whether it'd be on the local level or the national level on the network level. There were always <hes> something the unique about the time period. I remember doing those shows one time. We were doing it in chicago down. The bowels of the stadium and i could see out of the corner my is. I'm doing the post game. Show on filling that that <hes> some of the chicago bears were off to the side and i knew something was going to happen and i didn't know quite what it was and all of a sudden out of the corner my i one of the guys for the bears at thrown in athletic arctic supporter across the set and all i could hear was marvin news say in my headset. Was that what i think is what tell me a little bit about some of the early experiences jack well a question posed as <hes> <hes>. We're going back so far now ryan. There was no teleprinter. <hes> you know you did everything off the top of your head and you had to <hes> and <hes> we had no videotape in those days at a lot of people would <hes> creep in front of cameras. There's a war come up behind you and do things like that and <hes> all of which i think added to the <hes> to the mindless fun that we had in those days now everything is so slick you know that <hes> there's not room threatening those kind of nice little natural slip ups <hes> we've all made rbis harvest stakes in those days on the airlines changes and <hes> missing your lines or mispronouncing words and you can't go back in the race at like again today on tape. Everything was alive. Which is what television shit is in its best time live and i think that is the biggest biggest difference between <hes> today <hes> and in those days i was live in those days and so therefore anything could happen and sometimes it it and i think the biggest change was that are colored people be the <hes> analyst we got in the xbox players they they started to become a lot more comfortable in the broadcast medium and began to <hes> to become broadcasters rather than just a it's fella played football football and he knows a little bit about it and when they started loosening up and began to to tell us about <hes> you know the things that <hes> they're telling you today a you know isolate the linebacker on wide receiver etcetera then the role of the play by play man changed <hes> i think quite a bit and it became he came in many ways much easier to play by play man and i think it made <hes> made the telecast much more informative and i think much more enjoyable to the average fan. I remember another time. When dan devine was the coach green bay packers and again we were doing the post game show and he referred to me as irv referring serve cross. He sent me a letter saying i never even heard during the course of the interview apologizing profusely and i'm just wondering whether it's as much fund for somebody who's at the beginning of their career say at the national level. It's a little bit different for you because you've established yourself. You're somebody that doesn't worry what the the mar- rudy thirty marks keys or the others happened to write because it's not going to affect your career one way or the other things as much fun for a young sportscaster who has been able to climb to this level. I don't think so all run and <hes>. I think you've seen a two. It's almost now for young <hes> sportscasters coming in and and even the middle aged guys it's become become almost an adversarial <hes> thing between <hes> the athletes and and the sportscasters and the sports writers <hes> i mean and we see it every day we saw in the world series <hes> and it's <hes> it's become <hes> not quite as nice as wives either. Let let alone no not as much fun and i think they have young kids coming in today but much more difficult time <hes> we did neither one one of the criticisms at the national level. Is that if you're doing a game you really have to play pretty much <hes> middle of the road. Is that a difficult thing sometimes to make sure that as you pick your words that you don't find out on monday after you've done a game at somebody thinks you've slanted at one way or the other yes you can leave. You're never gonna play them. All the best way you can get fifty fifty fifty percent of the people down. You're leaning one way and fifty saying we're doing it the other then. You know you did a good job. <hes> i think there's room for both ways. <hes> yeah people say there are homer. Announcers and other people say you should be journalists whatever that means. I think there's room for both <hes>. I don't mine sportscasters blatantly rooting for a home team as long as they give visiting team. You know they're do <hes> and it's a it's not a narrow. Caroline is kind of a broad line. I think you can you can accommodate both of them but <hes> you know everybody. That's beautiful things about the world is boris voice. Everybody has their own opinion. Jackie work yourself into being kind of a wordsmith and also an essay. How did that come about. How did you evolve into that and you're broadcasting career where well i. I always wanted to try things. I did that locally in philadelphia. Every night. I do something and when i got to the network i think it was the second super bowl. All i said let me do something. At the end here you know kind of a summing up and that's kind of how it started and thankfully i've worked for some people kind of said okay. We'll let let you go give you your head and make a little time for you and <hes> and i really love doing this kind of scary sometimes but it's let's give me much more pleasure. I think than anything else. I've done in television as you now. <hes> those of us that work in this profession. It's often been said that we work in the toy. Department of life is as you take a look at the grand scope of sports in society in life in general. How would you describe it then. I think that's pretty much the way joe's accepted a story story. I've used quite a few times you know. I think it was fine when he was a chief. Justice court said that things were so bad in the world had to read the sports pages in any turn to the front page. Cleans are so bad in the sport pace every the front page and then i turned to the support pig <hes> it's gotten to be a of course much more big business and a lot of joy in front is going out of it because of that a lotta people making a lot more money and and and doing well that way but it has changed very dramatically in the years i've been in it. One of the other things that i think is special about sports is that each different sports parts has its own special identity during the course of the years that you have obviously competed covered heavyweight boxing you know i don't think that there's anything more dramatic then having two men while it might be brew in one sense a standing in the ring and and battling away at each other there cannot be anything more dramatic than the the sun setting over so <hes> new york while they're playing the united states open tennis championships <hes> it's late on a sunday. It's the early part of september. There's a nip in the air those sort of things do you find that that is a special aspect of sports are absolutely no question about it. It's always that's stirring that special moment like i said when you say eighty yourself there's no place i'd rather be than right here and i'm very lucky i am. You're right. There are certain moments at steroids like that. <hes> <hes> i i find boxing to me most of the time to be not very uplifting but boy there is something about heavyweight championship fight that just get you going. Yeah it sure does jack whitaker is joined us and you on sports byline u._s._a. Gimme another ten minutes longer with jack and then i'll kick open the lines around the country at one eight hundred eight seven eight play okay one eight hundred eight seven eight seven five two not we will log across the country and around the world on the armed forces radio network on america's sports talk show sports byline imagine. This is your money and someone wants to take it from you. 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We'll return to our jack whitaker remembrance interview in just just a moment but let's check the scoreboard kansas city five baltimore four and with that lost the os suffer their eighty-six defeat of the season lopez and four casey relievers combined for that loss of three run six was the key and lopez and denny each homering in that game seattle tripled up on tampa bay nine to three m's jumped opt out to a seven one second inning lead murphy had three hits two of them home runs and drove in four runs nola homered and drove in three runs. Also it was all washington. They buried pittsburgh with thirteen runs. Nats now of one eight out of eleven the pirates of lost eight out of eleven washington led this one eight nothing after after two atoms three hits a home run and four r._b._i.'s cabrera had three r._b._i.'s and san diego they edge cincinnati the pods third straight victory the he has home run in the fourth inning was a key there the antonio brown helmet saga is not over just last week arbitrator ruled against the oakland raiders wide receiver regarding his grievance to wear his old helmet and then on monday brown filed yet another green <hes> grievance browns now arguing that he should be afforded the same right provided to other n._f._l. Players to have a one year grace period in order to phase out his old helmet in the two thousand nineteen season and that's your sports update. We love watching sports but these days it's nearly impossible to catch all the best moments of your favorite games now with a new sport flip. You can receive real time customize notification so you in your games are back. After commercial break period change or rain delay download sport flipped from the app store today and watch more sports. Jack whitaker is join us in you if you'll give me another five or ten minutes longer with open up the lines <hes> then around the country jack when you do a major sporting events there's a lot of pressure and <hes> obviously a lot of preparation ration- it goes in for doing those events. Each one has its own dynamic. Its own the subsidies. Can you talk a little bit about the differences in doing different major sporting events well yes <hes> in in football. It became a simple thing just by the way we're doing television. Memorizing your forty numbers numbers and getting your matchups down and then letting your here color man do it became quite simple after a while and you would approach coach that differently you would just set up and make sure that you knew what all the matchups where where everybody should be at a certain time and they'll be tendencies on both offense attention defensive teams and then get out of the way like your color man come in <hes> <hes> do a goth tournament <hes> you just have to brush up on the new kids coming along and coming once so fast now you you have to do a little homework every week that becomes a different kind of of preparation and a different different kinda rhythm in the telecast <hes> for horse racing <hes> again <hes> <hes> you have to break that down to prepare <hes> in different ways you have to know obviously the horses and the records and their breeding jaffna the owner jefferson other trainers and you have to know the jockeys and <hes> each one lynne's itself into a different rhythm and a different way and after a while it becomes <hes> <hes> enjoyable to do the preparation in fact sometimes the preparations much more enjoyable than the actual telecasts is the sense of anticipation and a sporting event. You know what i'm talking about. They don't have that. You've got nothing you know <hes> there. You know you know the days when you say boy. There's no place else. I drive to be the right here and that happens of course curses big any big event. It's coming up. It happens every year the kentucky derby your u._s._a. Open or masters in happens occasionally football and baseball game. I am you know you say oh boy. I got some feeling today that this is where i really want to be. It's going to happen jack and one of the things that i know during the course of my career <hes> years ago i did the the end of the university of california stanford game and fortunately i was prepared for something very unusual to happen at the end of the game and of course probably the most exciting finish to a college college football game ever occurred in the exactly with many laterals everything and and yet <hes> you know. I don't know that you can ever be prepared for something thing like that. Have there ever been any incidences in your broadcasting career where there was something that that just took you by complete surprise yes tragic thing we did swing match between ruffian and foolish pleasure and when she broke down on the back you know my gosh. It was just like we've all been struck by a thunderbolt <hes> him. Nobody was prepared for that. Nobody and <hes> so those. I'm trying to think there's nothing else <hes> <hes> something that happened to you running through the band like that <hes>. That's never happened but <hes> you do get you. You can't prepare for everything but in preparing as much as you can. When the unexpected happens you somehow able to handle it better. I think one of the things that i love about sports says is that in a sense it's a reflection of life. It's competition. It's winning and losing and there's always a new way that the story is being told you have been able to capture that human element <hes> tell me as you look at sports in the broader sense about sports and how you see it affects us in society in general well i think it has been always a nice reflection chen or a true reflection of our society and i think you'll see that today as well as any time in our past history <hes> it has been it used to be more fun now. It's not as much fun. <hes> life in the united states used to be more fun as not as much fun. I mean we'd more problems. Now it saying <hes> i don't wanna get too much on it like being a synonym for life for a metaphor for life but <hes> it's there for you to get you can get out of as sport whether you play it or watch it. Whatever you want to get out of it and in many cases you can get many good things out of it. <hes> i think it can <hes> obviously can <hes>. I don't think it's point woodie broun. A great powell mine had a great line that doesn't make it <hes> it <hes> reveals character <hes> and i think that's what i go by it. You're not going to be a better player necessarily goes you played football but we'll know what kind i have a guy you are if you play football. One eight hundred eight seven eight play one eight hundred eight seven eight seven five two nine. If you like to jump in here and join us along with emmy award winning broadcaster broadcaster jack whitaker jacko one thing that i also have an appreciation for is <hes> the ability of professional athletes. I think that obviously having a national show. I don't like this. I hear a lot of the frustrations of the fans as to their performance. Can you tell me about how you view the athletes today i think by and large they are better ron. I colonel and i think they're they're more and the depth of the good athlete is more than it was in the early days. I i still think that the heroes of yesterday would still be heroes today having the advantage of diet and training methods and equipment but i think there are more better athletes today. I don't think they're worth ethic is the same i think the money has changed that tremendously and it's kind of unfair in a way to blame them. <hes> because that's the way they've been brought up in the old days <hes> you had a scratch and do your best all the time to get paid now. How you get paid whether you can perform or not and i think that has has to have some effect on how i how i and athlete before what about the skill level of the athlete athlete today i mean it's hard for the average fan to relate to what it must be like facing nolan ryan and trying to hit something ninety five to one hundred miles an hour. That's right. I don't know you you. Let's take baseball. They've changed. They've changed the <hes> the strike zone so much so it's hard to compare i mean bob gibson was ah you know every bit as fast all ryan i think <hes> but he work with a different kind of a strike zone so it's very hard to compare <hes> i would like to and it's always useless to compare generation to generation but i think because there are more good athletes today eh but again you have to measure that run don't you because there are more broad clubs today and every support right. I don't don't you put that into the equation. The other thing that i respect to jack is the athlete that goes out and it isn't a solo sport in other words <hes> their abilities are determined by their efforts a a little bit different than if it's a team effort. There's something beautiful about watching nine. Men or eleven man football team work together in unison but still i think that there is something extra special about that. One person that is willing to face <hes> an opponent in decide the ultimate outcome of a sporting event well <laughter>. That's why baseball to me is the most perfect sport for americans. It's team sport but it's really an individual sport and <hes> the rugged individual analysts still there and occasionally has to team up and and cooperate <hes> whether it's on a double play or whatever but in the meantime it's an individual thing <hes> <hes> gophers are very rugged individualist. Tennis players are individuals attain player. Kinda gets to be you know. The bags are picked up for him at the hotel. Sal presses waiting the planes waiting. Everything's done for them and that's the difference i think in the way the way people behave especially we after their playing days are over jack and all the years that you observe the the great athlete and athletes in general what do you find is the differentiation between the the very well <noise>. The champion is going to be a champion amount or the money is secondary and he wants to be the best. This is a champion. <hes> nicholas is a champion because he's going to win all these heavy time you tease it up. He's coming out. They're not the funny second not to finish in the top time but to win and i think it's <hes> now you can make a lot of money and not be number one on your sport but the real champion wants to be number one yes. He wants the money but the money he knows what com- if he is number one and that's about as clear as i can put it. I would think it's easy to see in tennis and golf. It's a major championship. <hes> i would think in teams like baseball. The ball you wanna be on the team is going to win that national dependent <hes>. I'm don't mind the world series. Let's win that pennant <hes> and and be the best s. japan. I mean you know beat the best hitter the best fielder be the best pitcher. It's something you know. People have been trying to define this for thousands the year i i had billie jean king say to me and let's see reggie jackson was another steve garvey was another and i thought what they had to say was probably in addition to what you just mentioned very apropos. They all said to me in their own words that when the game is on the line they wanted to be the ones to decide it after that to me is a champion hold on jack. Whitaker is joined us in. You got one line available to you at one eight hundred eight seven eight play. We'll let you talk a little sports broadcasting with jack whittaker right after this. Is your thinning hair prematurely aging you. Do you see scalp where there used to be hair. Don't let your hair loss takeover. Take control with hair max. 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A month lines two to four free requires one port from eligible carrier and activation mobile optimized data coverage offers not available everywhere restrictions apply in this is america's sports talk show sports byline u._s._a. Here's ron ron bar. Jack whitaker is joined us in you this hour. Let's let's talk a little sports with jack whitaker. Go ahead joel bristol pennsylvania. Mr waco jackets nice to talk to you. I had to have to say i was a little saddened when you've got to be more of a sports s._d._s. c._b._s. Because i've really enjoyed your play by play when i heard you doing the eagle games i thank you. That was quite a few years ago. Yeah that was good times. I enjoyed that and every now and again. It's time to move on to something else but thank you very much. I noticed that one one of the things that is different in those days and now is that when you imposs- pritchard would do the games <hes> the networks would announce a certain certain team to of an answers to a team to do their a road games right and i'm sure that it's much more challenging for the broadcast teams seems to be showed up between different teams each week and i think it makes the homework much more challenging well it does and it c._b._s. Us <hes> oh i think long around nineteen sixty five they decided not to have the announcers do just one team and they spread us around around and indeed. You're quite right. <hes> it became <hes> much more <hes> there was a lot more homework to do but it also gave us a much. It's broader view of the entire league. 'cause you would do green bay one week in los angeles and other you know rather than just to <hes> i did the it goes half for about four or five years and the giants for four or five years and you get a little bit <hes> tendency to be a home router number one and and secondly you don't see the whole leg so i think generally. It's better to move around a lot rather than to be assigned. Just just one team i can i can see from that as long as you could films in time and have the time to do the right and came work. Another question i had had is that i've noticed <hes> with you in the race scott's those who came up when you were doing the game he's was. I wish there were a premium on describing something sinks lee rather than having to come up with another way of saying that at this was the greatest player that was the greatest play or coming up with some different way of saying something well. I i think the biggest change joe allies that are colored people be the analyst we gotta and the players they started to become a lot more comfortable liberal in the broadcast medium and began to be <hes> to become broadcasters rather than just a this fella played football and he knows a little bit about it and when they started to loosen up and began to to tell us about <hes> you know the things that <hes> they're telling us today you know isolate the linebacker on wide receiver et cetera then the role of the play by play man changed. I think quite a bit and it became in many ways much easier to be the play by play man and i think it made <hes> made the telecast much more informative and i think much more enjoyable to the average fan one eight hundred eight seven eight. Play the line open to you as we go to atlanta next go ahead mark. How are you sir fine mart couple of horseracing questions for you a number one. Do you think roughing would have won the race or she hadn't broken down well. That's a tough one <hes> mercer my the people that i trust their say. She was the greatest male or female they've ever seen. That's the way i feel i and she had never been beaten. Never been headed at any post <hes> but that's what we were all day to find out and we'll never know. I don't know that's a tough one for me answer and <hes> number two. What was your most exciting moment in horse racing irate the most exciting moment for me to was secretary. It's bell mind win when he won by thirty one lane when everybody thinks he's going to win the race let alone by that much margin and the second was <hes> again the belmont china firm when they came down there so so close together. There's a those the two of many thrills i've had in the split thanking. I appreciate talking to you sir. Thank you another line availability at one eight. Hundred eight seventy play driving around the country tonight got the car phone handed like to join us along with jack whitaker. Let our producer michael michael talbot now. We'll get you on a little bit early but it is toll free one eight hundred eight seven eight play jack when you take a look at the job of the sports media is doing today <music> well. It's hard for me. It's not hard for me to say long-run. It's completely different as i said earlier. I think it's become caserio. <hes> why all of a sudden i don't know the new york papers are down on <hes> both coaches that are professional teams uh-huh managers of the mets managers. I mean they can't do anything right and i don't know where this has come from all of a sudden. I don't know whether it's because they've been shut <music> out and don't get the same <hes> <hes> amenities around the stadium is used to get but the whole the whole tenor seems teams with change and it's like political reporters you know <hes> the enemy is <hes> and and the managers and coaches choose employers are looking at at at the media now the television in sports writers as the enemy and then. I don't know it's kind of strange to me. It used to be the <hes> of course we were symbolic relationship before now. It's <hes> now we're enemies. It seems i was gonna ask. I was gonna ask excu. How did you deal with <hes> <hes> say a situation in which you may be had to criticize the player well. We criticize players. We didn't do it in a mean-spirited dispirited way and i know to cajun's where the players that i could have. Is it a couple of times. I made a mistake and was wrong and they came name to me and say hey you were wrong. This is what happened. They explain it to me. I mean that's the kind of relationship we had in those days. I did the eagles game on day and i said that jerk anson and overtone as receiver and his wife told him that and he taught me a practice next week. He said hey hey. I didn't overthrow the guy who were receivers has going for the long guys say but that's the way it worked in those day <hes> today. I don't know thankfully. I'm not in that that part of the business anymore but <hes>. I don't think it's nearly that kind of a relationship between the players and and the price at take you know what's interesting about it. There was a particular time in our profession where if you work critical you're going to hear from the n._f._l. If you were covering n._f._l. Broadcast nowadays as you can have a personality and <hes> you know i was watching monday night football game for a little while and some of the things that were critical sharply critical and weaken and week out you can hear that that with john maddening here with me buddy else that has changed and i don't know whether it's for the better over the worst i don't have any problem with it because i think these people have kind of a <hes> a forum in which they have some experience that they're able to do it certainly john coach absolutely <hes> i think again it depends on the way you do it. <hes> in the in the early days when we get some of these players on they wouldn't criticise anybody 'cause i'm not criticizing the guys i played with well now so you have a differential of generations here and they feel more free right guests to criticize and it's really not criticizing just pointing out. You know everybody's not perfect. This play didn't work because he is ready is it's critical but i don't know again. It's it's the way in which what yeah yeah there was a point of course when you won the world series. It was something very special nowadays. I think it's just another championship. <hes> and i don't know y yes because because of the <hes> lake the playoffs i think <hes> they've taken away a lot of the shined from a world series and <hes> and again as in the super bowl playoffs and sometimes they're much more most of the times much more exciting than the world series one of the things i'm often asked jack is whether i like doing professional or amateur sports best and when they say amateur they're usually referring to collegiate sports and i say college in sports because i like the honesty of performance <hes> first of all. If i'm doing college baseball on television i can go down and ask a kid if you can spend a couple of minutes with minnea- she how much time you want not i i don't have time to talk to you and the other thing is that there is an emotion i think that goes along with college football and college basketball that is very special very honest and very reflective collective society in general and enthusiasm. Would you agree with that. I would agree with you. Hundred percent run <hes> the thing that worries me about the colleges at the exploitation can be athletes at all but <hes> not absolutely you're. You're absolutely right but the you know that that's what makes it exciting leaving. They do make mistakes and <hes>. I just you know college. Football to me is so much more interesting than the n._f._l. I can't tell you they wouldn't <music> n._f._l. Came that exciting all year. I don't think tell me a little bit about some of the interesting people interesting personalities that you've met well. I've been very lucky. I'm trying to make a list not long gone. I should go back and do it or the people i work with as my as color people you know beginning with bosch pusher as joe mentioned earlier on the phone and i've been very lucky. I've <hes> i've learned a lot from them. It's like getting a p._h._d. In each each sport if you if you've got an i i work with some very good people frank gifford pat summerall and ken venturi jack nicklaus carry middlekauff and eddie are terro bill shoemaker and it's just been. It's just been marvelous. <hes> <hes> couldn't go to school and learn to stuff that you can you know pick up from people like what about the interesting personalities and people persona as far as athletes go about alex hawkins <hes> tommy mcdonald my own guys on the eagles and they wanted to fix the and <hes> oh my goodness. How many more tommy the other thing is is it. Willie mays is telling me around. The batting cage down at spring training recently is that you know ronnie says one of the sad things is that you don't hear players telling stories like we used to in the old days now. I was talking about a month ago back that nobody hangs around anymore. They all get into rolls royces and their b._m._w.'s and drive the connecticut in the old days. Everybody hung around you know and you tell tales and you hear stories and that i think has made it harder on the sports writers in sports caster jack. Is there any one particular event that you've not done that. You would like to do <hes> the ryder cup and what else i i. I've done almost everything ron. I've been that lucky. I think the ryder ryder cup and maybe the octa trae on. Is there a single event. That's most memorable your career then well well. I guess the philadelphia eagles winning when i did the championship game and sixty against green bay and <hes> the secretary it's triple crown and nicholas winning at <hes> anytime nicholas was a great thing to do jack. Thank you very much. It's nice to talk to you. Yes thank you for what you've given us not only on television and in broadcasting but <hes> i remember when when i was young at c._b._s. You're one of the nice people to me and i've never forgotten that. Thank you sir for your graciousness. In your class jack whitaker emmy award winning broadcaster with us this hour and again he is a word smith and it was interesting that he should bring up heywood hale broun because i consider them to be in the same class very outstanding broadcasters astor's in class gentlemen. Take a break here. 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Here's ron bar another check of the numbers almost a no hitter in may spoil as saint louis black milwaukee three to nothing the brewers breaking up that no header by the cardinals in the eighth inning on grand dolls head it was the only hit that they had in the game does young hit his twenty second home run for saint louis so the cardinals went at three nothing over the brewers washington blank pittsburgh as well thirteen nothing so that means the nats have won eight of eleven the pirates of dropped eight eleven washington lead big. They had a pair of four run innings in the first and the second adams three hits a home run and drive in four runs cabrera drove in three runs on the american can league side kansas city five four over baltimore as the os suffered their eighty six loss lopez and four kansas city relievers combined for that loss hand that loss to baltimore three run sixth-inning was the key lopez indonesia each homering in that one and seattle tripled up on tampa bay nine nine three the final there is the m jumped out to a seven one second inning lead murphy at a gay big game. He had three hits two of them. Were home runs and drove in four four runs nola homered and drove in three runs as well also the padres edge cincinnati. That final was three to two so that means the pods now of one three in a row. Hello and mahia had a home run in the fourth inning. That was one of the key hits in the game and that's your sports update. 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I hope you enjoyed our interview with jack whitaker former emmy award winning and hall of fame sportscaster for both c._b._s. c._b._s. and a._b._c. and said he was the last living play by play announcer from the first twenty one super bowls until his death the only living television origin broadcaster from the first seven super bowl. I'm ron bar hang around. We've got more coming. Your way on america's sports talk show. This is bryan alvarez with wrestling observer. Live join me mike super bb seven days a week talking pro wrestling and mixed martial arts full schedule at sports byline dot com. Tom wrestling observer live on the sports byline u._s._a. Broadcasting network you're listening to the heartland news feed radio network at live dot heartland newsfeed dot com. 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She has written a very inspirational book about her father also do you. You remember the name vince pep rally. When it comes to football he was the guy that really made a great move and being able to make the national football league when he had very little background background and experience in football. It's a great story and he'll drop by and spend some time with us. Then some baseball talk for you that'll be coming up on wednesday former umpire steve palermo. I'm sure you remember that story and then bernie williams former yankee is going to be with us as well and also an outstanding musician and so he'll drop by on on wednesday and then i see on thursday raymond ritter. He is the p._r. Director for the golden state warriors. I'm going to have him on because i've known him for a long time and their organization from a p._r. We are standpoint has been voted the best in the n._b._a. Three of the last five years in it's an interesting story. We're gonna be talking with dan stevenson in just a second. If you're into golf particularly women's golf you know that name she's been elected to the world golf hall of fame after career in which he won three major championships and sixteen l._p._g._a. A tour events she also has one forty-one worldwide <hes> tournaments as well including ten l._p._g._a. Legends tour wins and eight worldwide nine major championships but she was a pioneer because she was one of the first l._p._g._a. Stars to openly embrace and champion a sex sells approach to marketing. We'll talk a little bit about that and i think you'll find it fascinating and then right after that toddler is gonna join us. He has been inducted into the college. Basketball hall all of fame. He's a three time all american who played his college ball at stanford. He's considered the pioneer behind the schools rise to national basketball prominence and he led the cardinal to their first n._c. Double a. tournament berth and forty seven years when he was a senior back in nineteen eighty nine he went on to play five seasons is in the n._b._a. After being a first round draft pick of the denver nuggets also played several seasons in the australian national basketball league and when you listen to to him when he joins us don't be surprised even though he's an american about that australian accent that he had and he had the rare ability to dunk with either hand fearless fearless creative and clutch. He amassed more than twenty three hundred points. We've got john sports byline honey. I just the family to boost mobile. We got so much more awesome awesome like what we got four free l._g. Stilo five phones for the whole family four lines for just one hundred dollars a month with unlimited gigs smashed up the car and they have a super reliable super for fast nationwide network for free weight backup. Did you just say you for free l._g. Stilo five phones know something about the car. 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John stevenson joins us on sports byline. She's been elected to the world golf hall of fame after a career in which he won three major championships sixteen l._p._g._a. Tour or events she also has forty one worldwide victories including ten l._p._g._a. Legends tour victories and eight worldwide major championships ups as well jen. What is it that you appreciate the most in what you've accomplished in golf now. That's actually a good question because it's kind of you know mixed stuck in i look back and i wish that i had done less the promotion and more playing because they do recognize that but at the time when i was trying to to change the image of the p._g._a. bec- because the l._b._j. Asked me to it. Obviously it wasn't my decision it. It was so important at the time to turn the whole he major the p._t._a. And worked so hard for that so at the time that seem so important to help and yet when i look back now i wish other places. It's kind of funny yeah. It is kinda funny. When you think about all the tournaments you were in. Is there one that sticks out to you. That means the most now i know you've talked about the open championship and how much that has meant to you yeah the u._s. Open was always a a really big one <hes> bef- even before i wanted strategy and opened and it was something growing up in a stray that just seemed to be that if he could win the u._s. been recognized as basically you know world champion golfer so it there's always something that my father would always you know hold dangling the carrots will need to practice and get up from you know get up early in practice and it was really important assuming that especially with my parents there because they knew how hot <hes> i worked and they of course said he used to dangle a carrot so when i want that it was just you know like something the goal that we've had to about thirteen so that was really important you know i i love winning the majors because they really do you know set you aside because they they are like you know it's interesting because in my friends <hes> the men that have played golf as well the pros they all tell me there is something totally different about the majors features as well as just another stop on the p._g._a. Tour and i'm sure that's the same with the l._p._g._a. As well what did you find as the difference between the majors and just another stop well yeah. You're absolutely right. I mean look at groups. He said he gets so you know so upbeat for the majors. I think it's because you focus on them. You look where they are. In the schedule. Giulini go cam trying to get my my game peaked by them but it's because they make them so much tougher and especially in the in the days when i was winning the golf course assist you in such magnificent condition. They're famous golf courses so you know there you know the tradition of them and then of course there immaculate so nowadays most the closest that way anyway but it's just they they make it that much tougher they make the rough toddler they make you know the shop making has to be on the whole game has to be really on to win those and so and every player plays every top player plays a major so you know if you beat them if beating best field born born and raised in australia at the age of ten you picked up the sticks and decided you wanted to play off why golf <laughter> well you know i i really my father and my mother and father both really tense is my father was a cricket player but he wanted me to be an athlete of some kind and so they felt like tennis with silk mafia back then in those is days when you know when i was eight and nine years old and so they felt like it'd be a great tennis player so they would take me to learn tennis and then my father started claimed new game cool golf and i was like wait a minute lima being dropped at the tennis koopman golf must be removed funding so finally i i asked if i make them they caught me actually lee swinging and selling golf balls and so he got busted and so they they so we can play golf but you can't keep changing so we will never be the best in some. I know no no. I'll stick golf now but i wanna play with you because one thing about it was about golf he could play with. My parents and i couldn't do that with tennis. They way to goodsell. It's great. I have to share with you. People often ask do i play golf and i say no and i said i'm not into self abuse. I said i play tennis and the why i play tennis. Jan is the fact if i make a mistake five seconds later i can forget about it. I make a good shot but if you make a mistake anybody makes a mistake playing golf. They have all the time. They're looking for it. Well that is the problem and you know what else they say about tendencies. You can actually focus your anger and actually work at you know. If you miss the show you can you can use. You know to hit the next one hotter against the opponent but you really can't do that. He's got a whole and i think that actually helped me back. Uh-huh because i'm especially in the younger days i look how muslims and how that i would get upset and cry for hours and it's like wow. I can't believe i made it. You know it is interesting. You mentioned you won the australian open. You were very successful as a teenager as well and all the emotion that goes into playing a sport board at a high level. How did you finally get that emotion under control you know i wish i could say i i have <hes> i. You know i'm getting better. You know i actually just got through competing. We just got through playing pickles just a little while ago and i'm like <hes> you know so competitive but it's just like get so mad. Everyone else is doing it for fun and i just so mad at myself so i don't think i've haven't really got no good but as you as you mellow you know i think since i played the legends tour you know playing with the pat bradley who was just a big rival when i played on the l._p._g._a. Children and how he finds she used to play with now compared to those days so it's not just me i think lewis was very competitive and now we appreciate you know all the people that helped us vacant and you know what it takes to make one event and it's like wow <hes> when you're in not just meal all of us. You know you just get so focused on what you're doing and and you don't really know this so the other things so it's nice. I guess it's the only good thing about getting older. John stevenson is with us. She's been elected to the world golf. Hall of fame and janu joined the l._p._g._a. Tour and seventy four got your first win in seventy six. What did you expect pro golf like the l._p._g._a. Tour to be like and how was it similar similar to or different than what you expected well it was always it was more than i expected them and so that more than i dreamed of and especially since you know in nineteen seventy five when the commissioner of the l._p._g._a. Volpi said you know i'd like you to be the new way major. You know you young and you know come from a different different country but <hes> emotional and you know you look pretty good so let's <hes> let's use this as the new image so he put me into a world that i never even dreamed of you know i mean everybody go like it. Just throw the ball out of the baseball games and i go to baseball practice and when it was getting thank you know towards the end of the year i'd be you know at games football and it was just and i was always seeing you know famous people especially famous athletes late so i leave this world that you're like wow i mean. It was literally like hollywood. Deny was a male so star struck. It was amazing and <hes> you know and it was. It was really really fun to to do that and nothing like that. Ever i mean it was probably more than i ever dreamed of. You know when you take a look at your productive. Period came came in one thousand nine hundred eighty s early part of that. You won the eighty two l._p._g._a. Championship the eighty three u._s. women's open and what allowed you to have that type of success. Where does your game all come together that you started feeling comfortable and confident in it well. I think it just worked so hard. You know it was kind of like once the l._p._g._a. Commissioner left the london had pushed me to do you know much of the images the p._g._a. He left in eighty three and so then it was you know eighty eastbound eighty two it just just looked so hot and it was just some fun to be part of it and i think my game just came around and really was the hog lesser and enjoy. I enjoy being a star and i enjoyed playing in the majors. Show you know being a star and being the centerpiece for a particular sport. It's a two edged soared. What was it that you didn't like about being the focus of the goff how there were two things one. The players didn't like it. <hes> the players thought that that we were selling too much from sex appeal and not enough without out -bility and i didn't like the fact that the players associated name that way so i didn't i'm having friends back then and that it hurt my game to go on. I think i could have really actually like i said in conversation. I think i would have actually one more if i wasn't looking so hot and taking every day off to go made a potential swan certainly do a photo shoot or do something for the l._b._j. You know it's interesting. You bring that up. I remember conversation. I had with michael jordan. I asked him you know how do you you know everybody wants a piece of michael jordan. How do you differentiate the personal and the professional and everything and he said it is. It's very hard he said but when the game is on the line i wanna be the one to determine the outcome and it's an interesting phrase to us because i think that's truly what all the great athletes no matter. What the sport no matter what the sex that's what makes them great. Would you agree with that. <hes> it's a great yeah definitely definitely i mean i've loved you know i wanted to definitely be able to. You know help the oh p._j. In if i hadn't have one being an aniko of it what if i would have destroyed the whole thing that they're doing so it was really important to me to still be able to them. We're talking with jan stevenson. She's been elected to the world golf hall of fame after after a career in which he won three major championships sixteen l._p._g._a. Tour events and she has forty-one worldwide victory will talk about other aspects of victory and her career as we continue across the country and around the world. We've got you on sports byline. 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It's easy to become a published author called dorrance now to learn more eight hundred four eight five live six zero zero three eight hundred four eight five six zero zero three eight hundred four eight five six zero zero all three call right now. That number is eight hundred four eight five six thousand three. This is america's sports. Talk show sports byline u._s._a. Here's ron dan. Stevenson joined us here on sports byline u._s._a. Now a member of the world golf hall of fame you know people like to think that maybe their career has been recognize but you never know when there's others that are voting on it when you found out that you're going to be inducted in the world call a golf hall of fame. What is it that you thought immediately well. I couldn't believe that finally happened. You know i've i've been nominated few times and they had changed the criteria to be merit based and they were recognizing the national wins. When i came over here that you know the tour has changed so much and and you know i played in obviously in the strand tour in in asia and in the european tour but if i had i had i had entered as an american help on the l._p._g._a. Tour so then they didn't recognize meisel my international stuff now. If i'd registered as an international player they probably would have but in those days he's dragging tour kinda dissolve for few years after after i left and and so it was i was kind of in no man's land and so they were recognizing anything internationally which was very frustrating and i just go well with with the being very political and i'm probably going to bypass because you know a lot of people that are in did not like what we did with the you know the sex appeal stuff and and when it's personalities finalities obviously very controversial so it <hes> i really was resigned the fact that it was i was not going to get in and so i- i by life and my career is just like a you know a nice screen. I mean great big sunday. I've had everything a chocolate strawberry vanilla ice cream and not and with crane but i was never going to get the cherry on top and when they when nancy lopez called me and told me that i actually made it i i mean that. Was you know we all i. It was definitely a cherry on top that i was just crumbling in it so important to native finish like that and i you know right when i talk about it. Now i still okay signed on to be with these people. You know john oover used the word controversy. Oh a couple of times in our discussion here and i certainly know what you're talking about. I often felt as i watched you when i was a young sportscaster with c._b._s. And over the years of your career that you really use that as kind of a prod something that kept let you go that motivated you. Am i right about that observation well. I don't like being cold controversial but i also you know every time something happens. Consigliere just say what i what i believe and so obviously if i didn't want to be controversial i would just kind of conform and not say anything so apparently unless i could. I think it's because i when if i say something i truly believe it and i'm really i'm doing anything. I say. I'm doing it for the good of the game. You could be p j. It's not like come trying to hook and you know sometimes they get upset. If they you know call my remarks racist and controversial because i'm really trying to help and just saying what i what i the third and obviously that sometimes may not be correct talking to billie jean king about some of the issues and i think the same thing about you is is that you want to be honest about things because you wanna be true to yourself. She once said that to me that was very important to her and i sense in this conversation. That was very important to are you about your character. Well that's true. I mean you know if you knew me. I i you know i'm very grateful. I'm very honest about things and if i i don't like something something to say and and and you know billie jean is certainly someone to look up to. She's amazing. <hes> you know quite a few times and and <hes> she she actually actually did something that was so impressive and i i was such as point of l._b._j. Y you know she came one time to the l._p._g._a. And said if you want same equal prize money as men out for the u._s. Open you can have to be strong and boycott because you know it's the has the money and that's we've done and and that's why you know sometimes the p._g._a. Gonna have all popular players and the same time sometime the l._b._j. And you guys have so many popular players right now and this was back in the seventies. She said you have so many personalities long way from jane blalock and then smoke as myself and only fabulous goals is that you have an opportunity to stand up but you must the u._s. Open and everybody started vote and then someone like moguls. We don't do it. Someone else also get in and what if what if we say we're not going to play and then one person goes and plays it's good and then they win and she was like shaking. Your head and i was so impressed that you know that she came to try to help us and turned it down. Yeah that's billie jean fisher remember. She said to me once when i was making a decision about whether to launch this network or not she said ron you well well enough. You never wanna look over your shoulder and wonder if you could have and that was her philosophy in life. It's brilliant yeah. Let me ask you. I always he's considered the period of time that you play the golden age of women's golf now. Let me run some names by you. Amy alcott pat bradley joanne karner betsy king nancy lopez pez patchy and beth daniel and i'm sure there's others as well. Tell me about that period of women's golf well. You know you're absolutely right that period read like when i first started when i came on tour we still had judy rankin and and <hes> you know in the and and sandra haynie and of course even some that even someone like patti howdy group was to mind when i was a rookie. I actually got to play with the before and she was a founder. Then we went to the golden age between like elba's names you mentioned it's and add moore and julie inkster nalon and it was just such a fantastic time and it was really hard to then because many great players and then you know i keep thinking stacey stacey was seventy. One who famous now there was such great nice so to break through and win one you know because now there's one hundred thirty players but there's not any that stand out you know it was when cari web came through a time when there wasn't much to compete with her and then obviously then you had lorraina and then you had on income and it was just maybe one or two but we had fifteen amazing players and personalities so we had enormous galleries and whoever one had had certain falling it was really hard to break through one of the things i never quite understood is the comparison of male golf players to female golf players players are of course challenged <hes> in played in a male tournament and everything. Why do we have to compare one to the other. I mean why can't we just accept the greatness of of athleticism no matter who plays it probably agree and it's the same thing you know at least list with tennis. I think this is one of the reasons. I don't compare as much as the same school. You'll have a six three or six. We're in golf. You know they don't realize that the menace shooting low low numbers but they're like. I was watching golf on television. Yesterday and then men are hitting irons popeye's. There is no way that any l._p._g._a. That we would ever hit a nine to five. I think they haven't how long they are so you know it's it's hard when they're playing a golf course pasta sixty eight because they're not playing any power five and the women if you look at the comparison pound for pound they've proven that we actually said but the other thing is that we were getting three runs into wars because they they keep playing us back further and said so in comparison i would really i'd love to see what the women shoot if you actually hit the same shorelines in but even then it would be a huge advantage because of the club had spin that they will get so they have plenty of backspin it so it is wrong that they compare it. You know this virtuous. What set you can truly you compare. I know you know maybe a question but it's it. It shouldn't be because these are the greatest players in the loan and i actually think if you compare them. Technically women are probably better than than that. Certainly excellence excellence is measured in any time you put the ball in the hole off the tee and in your particular case you had fifteen holes in one with nine of them in competition. Now you have to give me some insight as you hit a shock. You'll watch the thing go and bounces in the cup. I mean tell me about the holes in ones that you had in your in your reaction to them and how does that well. You know i practiced a lot and i was really to be good. I am planning which leaves so and a lot of it's pretty funny because i always teach that you know that i'm golf course designer that you're not really trying sometimes to actually get it close to the whole all because you know as a golf course designer when you wanna poss read the only way that you can trick people is an optical illusion or for them to go for the pin because then you can't be a bitch. You're trying to get it where they can't get up and down so it's really you should actually be going for the middle degrees so sometimes i have to admit that you know i mean i've seen some whole other players to when they hit these shot that's gone in and i know they weren't even for the pin and saying bad i mean there's some that that didn't but you know i when you have only one. It is amazing experience and and i got really lucky in nineteen eighty two. I had so many i went. I went three times because y you gotta car mas that you went home months ago a tree into which was really exciting and and it is you know when you've had a good shot. That is a lot of good shots. You hit the dunk of him but he just has to have a little like you're going to be just doesn't i just have to be the line has to be distinct too so you know that's a locked but then i feed a lot of great i mean on the great iron play so that potties potties is fun and it doesn't ever go away in the hottest possibly doing to one of them is to come down and play the next couple of holes well. That was always hard for me to make the part of next week. Everybody was high fiving me and knowing the galleries are excited and you saw ripped up about making one that you can. Hey wait a minute cut like four five. Oh let's play you know we only have thirty seconds left but when you think back on your career and you think about a moment that's kind of engraved in jan stevenson's mind. What is at that moment. Oh wow i don't even know i think having having my parents with me when i when i won i mean when in the u._s. open with my parents they're after what we kept dangling that at issue between the u._s. open that that has to be one of the most wonderful experiences to have that then have ronald reagan paul newman well john. I wanna thank you very much. <hes> watching you during the course of your career as i was a young sportscaster it was a joy for me to do that and you've you certainly left your mark on the game and you're continuing to do so which i think is very important as well. You are welcome back here anytime. If you're in san francisco i hope you come into the studio and spend more time with us. Thank you so much. I'd love to jan. Stevenson again elected to the world golf hall of fame. What a career. She had sixteen l._p._g._a. Jay tour events. She won three major championships as well. We continue on sports byline sweetie mom. 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I know you because we're both here from the bay area but i'm just wondering. Was it a natural that you were going to go to stanford. What was the appeal about going to that school. I'll tell you from being honest about it. I it was funny. I had this conversation with my brother. Well maybe we could to things we actually never discussed and <hes> morvai oravec athletics and sort of what i was doing back then and then my ability at certain things and to be honest with you. Stanford was the decision for me. My alkyl went wrong went to stanford on a baseball scholarship <hes> and eight through a ninety mile an hour fastball high school <hes> and when he tried to teach them how to throw a curve whatever that matt was well when i tried to teach me how to throw a curveball so the story goes <hes> at some point he kind of ruined his on was never the same but <hes> why stanford and answering your question was i sort of never considered <hes> professional basketball beyond <hes> stanford off. Will you know fantastic. I'm going to get an education out of this a great education from grade school <hes> so basketball's bogo radio success it never entered my mind that would go beyond college to be quite honestly todd one of the things i know about stanford because of the athletes that i was associated with when i was doing the play by play for football and basketball. They were a different breed. I'll never forget. I got on the team. Charter with a football team and people were reading the wall street journal the people that go to stanford they athletes in particular are a different breed may help me in the listeners understand about that whole academic make athletic situation at stanford yeah look at it is quite unique have to say i don't really know of another university that <hes> in in the u._s. and i'm sure some will argue there are some out there but that really has the stringent academic standards and was also quite successful in sport in fact i. I think i keep hearing that. They won four national championships in various sports than just about any of the school but you know you don't get in unless they think you can get through four years. There's the stanford in the in the rigors of the academic you know <hes> i guess criteria so there are no <hes> sort of. Can we slide. I disguise in if you will. I remember back when tom davis. You probably remember this as well. <hes> he recruited me. He and his staff recruited me actually recruited read them to be honest with you hard to convince them that i should that was good enough to play in the pac ten but that's another story <hes> but you'll remember after my first year then tom. They've tried to get into stanford. Chris really wanted to go to stanford and <hes> i just couldn't get him in <hes> for academic reasons and it. It seemed to be the trigger or the catalyst for tom davis moving on. I just got really frustrated thinking well if i can't because like this how we're going to build a successful basketball all program so <hes> there really is no compromise <hes> having said that i i don't think or my academic merits in high school. I mean pretty much straight a.'s in high school my s._a._t.'s or okay good enough to get in but purely on academic merit. I probably wouldn't have gotten to stanford <hes> without basketball <hes> but i think they look it. <hes> your academic picture at that point and say he's just keep capable of getting through and <hes> not being a problem. I think the priority there is that make sure everybody gets will graduate so i think even though they've got a very low acceptance i i believe that a pretty high graduation success right todd i pointed out you helped raise the national prominence level for the cardinal and take them to their first n._c._w._a. Tournament berth and forty seven years as a senior in nineteen eighty nine and then a little bit later on they went to the final four and i'm just wondering what is it that that changed because stanford always <hes> was reported to have a problem to be competitive because they could not get enough qualified players in their outstanding players because of the academics bill walsh certainly proved that was not the case after while in football but what about in basketball look. I think the only thing that changed changed release just showing people and possibly potential recruits that could be done. You know we had a group of guys that were extremely hard. God all of the rest of them. That came in with me worked as hard as i did. I just happened to be maybe a little bit more athletic. <hes> gifted whatever you wanna call it <hes> and we all looked equally as hard and and we got a just reward that we're all seeking getting into it and unfortunately it didn't end the way we would've liked it too but i think what changed is. You just showed potential recruits. Hang on you if you if you wanna go to stanford and get a great education you can still still playing a great basketball program and <hes> prior to that. I guess you gotta go back to <hes> to the you know the forties forty two and then when the national championship anthony gyp tank we city when <hes> you know the the program had national prominence. I'm sure through the late forties and fifties are they were a couple of pretty good but it it dropped away slowly over time and <hes> i know when i went they are just sort of said to myself. Well look if i'm if i'm any good i would say this day anybody considering going to school anywhere. It really doesn't matter who coaches me but it comes down to do. I want it badly enough. If a work hard enough and do the things are now i need to do and i work you know but ten thousand other basketball players in the country or get close to outworking. I'll get better and i'll stand a chance of eighty making it to the next level. Although that wasn't my solid. I just just really wanted to get as good as i could be. <hes> and you can do that anywhere. I don't think it matters. If you've got to north carolina duke i think be the common denominator to great players. They're hard workers and not just great players probably greg scientists and doctors. I'm greg lowers and great everything else so i don't think there's any secrets as to why people have success and that's to me that it's just hard work. Why do you think you were able to make it to the next level and at what point while you're playing college basketball. Do you think you had a shot at it. When i finished my freshman year i think i was freshman all american first team or second team. I can't remember exactly <hes> when i remember reading or hearing somebody saying that you know if this kid you know. Progressives just have natural progression next three years. It'll be a first draft pick in the n._b._a. Draft i've never heard that before and i thought well wow okay. I better not waste and particularly. I remember kevin johnson was two or three years ahead of me <hes> and i think he got drafted seventh and i remember saying to myself. I think he signed a modern are half a million dollars a year back then or something that's my goal. I wanna sign for half million year and if i can not said basketball's take a priority for the next three years. I'm going to be an jim as much as possible trying to get as good as i can in and see if i can actually make it to the n._b._a. Although academics would probably pretty close behind basketball and crowd as i just didn't wanna waste that three years isn't that the sort of small window i had so i wanted to make sure i got through school but i've probably worked harder than my basketball and then i did my academics and i'm really simply because i'd heard that i was a chance after my freshman year when you take a look at the n._b._a. Was everything you thought it would be or were. You disappointed in some things probably everything thought it would be. I was fortunate to come and a great era in the n._b._a. And its suppose volubly greater now hard to say it's it's different but you know to line up against michael jordan to lonard against magic johnson a lot of against match bird. I mean arguably blade. Those three guys together sure. There's a bigger three names that ever ever play so <hes> n._p._r. Every one of them <hes> look it was it was everything everything is expected to be. I wouldn't intimidated thought once. I got is the same netted. Let's go got stanford. I'm just going to play and play hard and see what happens and if i'm good enough <hes> you know i'll i'll stay in the league for a while and if i'm not will that will sort itself out as well so i had a good rookie season and then i had a a bad car accident after a rookie season <hes> <hes> hurt my broke my foot really badly. They weren't sure i was going to walk properly again. Little down play again anyway long story short the surgeon did an amazing job our rehab to myself when i was ready for the next season and oh i think twelve of thirteen games i hope the cartilage in my left knee that was on the articulate surface which means when you bend to a certain angle it's bound bound and so it wasn't just a simple cartilage. Arledge injury was sort of season ending. I played for that four or five games on that before. We actually had a scam 'cause will it's not horrible. It's just when i hit the angle it really bothers me and just kept swelling after every game so made the decision to get the surgery done but that ended that season and then beyond that for whatever reason i i rarely had an injury prior to that and then every season after all just couldn't stop getting injured and so i suppose the not the ugly part but the disappointing part for me was i was at the injuries pilot up always sort of damaged goods and i was a uh a risk that focus a lot of teams are willing to take and so i get a bit jaded by at all i think i had a chip on my shoulder and <hes> i should've i got invited back to a few camps after my six season to try out and see if i could make a team on passed on that and took uh-huh opportunity that was given to me in italy play elite <hes> and after that i took to that a year and a half often then it comes down to australia sort of my body felt better i got to see it again andrew vlahov who played with me at stamford said when you try and come down here and play with me and playing in our league and <hes> i've already told them about you know now you've been. They'll find just bottom team. I really fit again and came down. I had a few good years as dan here <hes> but <hes> as far as getting back to the original question the n._b._a. I <hes> i was excited. <hes> it was everything everything i thought it would be. The competition was as good as i've ever faced that was pushed up. Non first year. Coach was incredible. He breathed fire sometimes and i think i saw a quote where one of the one of the said that must be can speak two languages that at times he speaks <hes> curses and then he speaks english and he was particularly hard on rookies of that reputation so there were times when the whole time <music> out in a game they just be screaming at me and spit would be flying and stuff but she kinda had to hit a lot of people say when you're getting in trouble by cultural by teacher whatever you still gotta listen and take in what his partner to the situation and let sort of the emotion run out the other ear and so he was fantastic after a game <hes> you know you wouldn't know that there was any problem so later in my career when i said i got a jaded despite all i was felt like it was probably more than anybody else. It probably felt like the world was closing into the walls. Were closing in because i wasn't on this sorta after <hes> and it just felt it'd be different and it was probably more than mine ankle state than than anybody else when you think back on your career and basketball whether it be in college or in the n._b._a. Is there a particular moment. That's engraved in todd liberties mind that will never forget all the probably probably one of my joyous moments was <hes> one year. We beat arizona. Tom is the number one team in the nation. We know he'd beat them two years two years in a row and they were highly ranked but one year they were ranked number one <hes> i think my first year in the league <hes> we made the play offs faced san antonio <hes> actually almost had a triple double my first game in the playoffs and i had a really good playoff playoff run. Even though we lost three actually played pretty well so i thought that was it was a really good feeling going into the off season that <hes> if i put the work in ah could come back and make a really nice career that ninety ninety one day all star in the right situation but look them it obviously didn't work out and and things went a little bit the other way so but i have no regrets off your lucky that i've got five years in the n._b._a. Well you certainly had a great career todd. I wanna thank you very much for your time and congratulations the honor of being inducted into the college basketball hall of fame three time all american who played his college ball at stanford. I appreciate it take care of my friend. If i get down to australia. I'll look you up. Thanks extra hearing from you todd licnen again with us. He's considered the pioneer behind the schools rise to national basketball prominence. He led the car note to their first n._c._w._a. Tournament berth in forty seven years as a senior that was back in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine and he played five seasons in the n._b._a. After being a first round pick of the denver broncos also played as you heard him say several seasons in the australian national basketball league down there at a pretty good average he average better than sixteen eighteen points a game five point four rebounds and two point seven assists and he did as he said also that he battled through injuries to play five plus seasons and then he was recruited by formal former teammate <hes> to come down and play in australia. He also had tragedy in his life as he was in a car accident as you heard him saying he lost his girlfriend. We continue with more of you and sports byline. Remember in the beginning when you first started to build a life for are you and your family. You never imagined it would come to this instead of living your dreams. You're living with debt in fact it's smothering you now. 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When a couple years ago they honored me and the collection as well so you can imagine something as prestigious stages as the library of congress how honored i really am to be a part of the library of congress have check it out there. I don't know about you but when i was a kid my parents every year took me to go see the harlem globetrotters and also to see them play against the washington generals and big. Al's zolak was a player for the washington generals and also his career record meaning. The generals career record was zero and two hundred forty five against the globetrotters. Now they have disbanded expanded the washington generals globes are going in a different direction and they announced that the generals were being dropped as their usual opponents they had been playing each other for sixty the three years and zolak was raised in new jersey was described as read thin but a sniper on the basketball court while playing for woodbury high school and so we will talk to him about his time with the washington generals and also about the legacy of the harlem globetrotters very special and then right after that kevin ollie we'll be here the yukon had asked ball coach. He led the huskies to the national championship in two thousand fourteen. He played at uconn under former head coach. Jim calhoun l. who so we're ready to crank it up good to have you with us here. On america's sports talk show honey. I just switched the family to boost mobile and we got so much more awesome like what we got four free l._g. 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You can choose your exact room and get free wifi cross my heart stick a needle in my radio. Expect better expect tilton must be healed. Honors member applicable terms and conditions at hilton dot com pinky swear. This is america's sports talk show sports byline u._s._a. Act here's ron bar for those people who maybe have not heard one of the sports worlds. Great traditions has gone down sixty three. That's how long the washington generals had been getting their brains anes beaten by the harlem globetrotters but the generals have been dumped the company that owns the globetrotters did not renew the contract and the globe as a team that hadn't won one game in forty. Four years is now gone one of those that played for them back in the seventies was big al's zolak and joins us on sports byline now. What was your reaction to this announcement announcement well when i i i it's kind of funny how i found out <hes> it's probably about a week ago august sixteenth where i got a phone call from a writer in orlando florida and and he said to me and said you played with the washington generals yesterday he says what's your reaction to them being <hes> cancelled by globetrotters. I said what i said. I never heard that and he was telling me this. This is what happened august the i was there last game so i i was in shock and i was really in disbelief because you know the washington generals like peanut butter and jelly to washington john the harlem globetrotters whenever you said globetrotters always said a generals to and and i was just shocked and i couldn't understand why nobody knew why and everyone everyone was saying that the globetrotters were keeping very quiet. What was the thinking and what type of history did the generals have. How did they come about well. I believe from what i understood <hes> red clots in sapper steamer friends and <hes> red klotz an abe <hes> when they've got the globetrotters together he got with red and said here's a lifetime time contract that you will supply the opposition team for my team as as long as they're around you know this relationship has went back sixty three years and i it's it's just for playing conic stuff history <hes>. It was something that every family did you know when when i played we we sold out. We played seven nights a week a different city every night new york city. We played four games saturday afternoon saturday night sunday afternoon sunday night. We had twenty two thousand for each game. We sold out all over the place we we played christmas night. In philly able fifteen refinish finished in the states april seventeenth plan over in copenhagen sweden denmark belgium england selling out everywhere and it was something it was happening in and even though it was the same show every year people came out and watch it and actually enjoyed themselves. How did they put the team together as far as player wise. Where do these players come from. Okay well. The only thing i can do is tell you my experience the year before i hooked up with the globetrotters <hes> i was going to a place called glassberg state. That's where i play basketball and <hes> it's now called rowing university and i went over. I took one of my little eight year old neighborhood kids <hes> <hes> who lives across the street to see the globetrotters play at the spectrum and when i was over there i saw a guy named jean hutchins who played with the trotters and i knew him from atlantic city when i went to community college and i asked him. How do you get to do this well he. He gave me read clots as phone numbers said call them <hes>. I called red klotz. <hes> i gotta try downlink city. It just so happened. He needed someone like me. Six four shooting guard small forward board and <hes> you know <hes> we had a four day campaign and we met the globetrotters in battle creek michigan and then we start traveling around the row with them and and and and people are so misinformed they said well you were paid to lose. We were never told to lose never toll to lose what we were told to do. Ron was cooperate with their showplace. Now an example of that would be the globetrotters. Get the tip the beginning of the game. They do their fancy which is hard to keep up with them. They ended end up getting a dunk so we're spotting them. There's about twelve show place that we're spotting them. Twenty four points tonight so and the referee shaky we used to that one. Guy's name was riley pitcoff. God bless them. He would call the games and when i was with them things got so violent out there on the floor like for example over in italy. One of the globetrotters went in for up. One of our guys fouled him. He turned around punched her guy. In the face. Both benches cleared. We're fist fighting on the court people in the audience clapping because they thought it was part of the show so then after i think maybe a year or two after that they started having to referees one to do to show plays and one to call the game the real parts and <hes> you know when you're twenty two thousand people besides show place. You don't want anyone to make you look like a fool and it was very competitive though it was run very professionally when we're in the united states we weren't even allowed associated with with them off the court. We had to stay away from them. They traveled in a bus. We traveled in a fifteen passenger van. They stay at the holiday inn's the hiltons we stay at the motel sexist and so forth and so on and we didn't make any money like i said it was a million dollar experience experience but without that million dollars it was just it was just so great just to travel aval and to do something that you love and seeing all these smiling kids smiling faces and stuff stand tastic. How hard was it for you players to adapt to <hes> playing that type of a game when all of you were serious athletes playing basketball before you even joined the generals why it was it wasn't a hard you know they where the stars and lemon curly neal they were the best you know so key saws marcus hanes and and they were the best but it was just like we we knew we we cooperate with the show oh and and and the more we cooperate it. We knew that the better the veteran show was so parts were and more kids will be laughing and founders were enjoying themselves and then we got to play some some real basketball and you know it was it was really for me. It wasn't really a tough adjustment. You know because i got. I got to do something that i love and traveled in seoul the world let me get another perspective from you because i've talked to meadow lark a number of times and i just wonder what he came away with traveling around the country. What did you guys collectively learn about out this country that maybe other people who didn't have the opportunity of doing what you were doing learn well. I'll tell you what i i. It gave me an opportunity to see parts of this country that and see how some people live and to me ron in this great country. Nobody should be living like some people live in this country. As far as you know the housing the area the just just different things like when we when we were traveling member of driving through towns and stuff like that and and it just gave me a feeling of you know i thank thank god that you know i. I have what i have and you know when i look at other people i say to myself. I don't have problems you know. It gave me a different outlook on life. You know when you play in new york city at the garden. That is one thing when you play in a small gym in podunk iowa. That is a different problem. What did you see as the difference between the crowds in those two locations yeah well. I'll tell you the truth. <hes> we played up in new york and a funny thing happened to me. <hes> we used to line up across cross the foul line. They would introduce us each. You know each player when introduced me i took my two steps forward and a gigantic bolt was thrown out alip second <hes> tier and came down crashing onto the floor dot com ago low you know i love new york but you know it it was all about it didn't matter whenever whoever came to see the globetrotters was the same reaction we played some small gyms we played in the big places and it was all the same it was so much so much fun and the people just enjoyed themselves and there was something helping so very different than it is today i would think though when you traveled internationally and i've talked about this as well he told me about one game it was in the eastern european in country and the game was supposed to start at eight o'clock and there was nobody there at seven fifteen very few people there at seven thirty very few people at seven forty five but at about five five minutes before eight everybody came all these cable cars and and everything and they came to the game and that's you think about basketball back in the seventies when you were playing lying in over in europe they didn't know much about the game <hes> we when we were over there <hes> it was different than the united states of course but we play like for example we were in england for <hes> twelfth thirteenth straight nights at wembley stadium and we had fifteen thousand every night then we would go to italy and we'd stay it. He's played before a week at a time and we we would sell out wherever we we went there and it was just a you know over there. We were just we were just rolling. We were world famous than people just came out. No matter what language they spoke and they just enjoyed the show oh and enjoyed everything that was <hes> you know and metalwork medic was did a fantastic job <hes> as far as you know he he was the best entertainer and <hes> you know it was just it was just a a remarkable experience. I just can't say enough about it. Yeah mental arc also said what was unique is is. They don't normally see over in in europe. <hes> some guy that is six eight six seven <hes> who is african american so they stood out as they walked around town and traveled. Yes that was one of the things that when we went over to europe <hes> you know <hes> the the european people were very impressed with height back then i was only six four but they want you know the guard but that was one of the small guys on the team but <hes> you know they always wanted somebody big because then and then maybe in the programs instead of me being six where i might be six five like that but you know yeah they aren't they were impressed crestwood heighten <hes> and they were just impressed with the whole the whole skill of what the globetrotters any generals what we were able to do. I've heard about some of the facilities that they played the ones that stick out in your mind. Well see we played like i remember playing a <hes> a small gym in the midwest. It might have been a high school gym as we are warming up and shooting jumpers on the main baskets one jumper hit the rim i guess in a awkward way and it shattered a whole backboard so we had to do was we had to play sideways and in a small gym and we just went on with the show and you know nelson's affected that people loved it and we went on to the next venue nya. I know i grew up for a period of time. In illinois down in the central part of the state ran tool illinois and i remember a couple of games that we played <hes> it was on in the auditorium auditory him but it was on the stage so it was not a full length regulation court and when the ball went out of bounds you found yourself if you were chasing it into about the second or the third row so so i know exactly what you're talking about how hold on just a second we're talking about the globe's and we're also talking about the washington generals and his career record alzola acts ax as he was playing for the washington generals was zero and two forty five that is a record that would get most coaches fired. We'll talk more about that as we continue you with more of you and sports byline are you an active stock market investor will then you know these three keywords buy sell l. Hold those three magic words can make or lose you money in the stock market. What have we can show you time-tested tool. That's been helping stock market. 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That number is eight hundred four eight five six thousand three. This is america's sports. Talk show sports byline u._s._a. Laissez here's ron big. Al's zolak has join his former professional basketball player. He played back in the seventies for the washington. Generals who have been disbanded and you know when you think about the <hes> the globe's i always remember it as a kid. You look forward every every year to when they would come through town and you look forward not only the globe's but also the washington generals. There was a mystique about the generals. What was that well. You know back back back then it was people always came to see us because it was a family thing to do. Mom dad grandma grandpa. Everybody would get together and come out and see the globetrotters charters in today's world ron. I've been a motivational speaker for twenty five years with my do hugs not drugs program <hes> trying to educate educate kids about the hazards of drugs and making taking a proper decisions and choices and today's world. I can't begin to tell you how many kids never even heard of the harlem globetrotters and that goes to show me that we don't have that family structure structure that we used to have and if found is are pulling apart so is our country and i think we are in trouble. I mentioned about red klotz being the longtime player coach of the washington general talk to me a little bit about him. What was his background. Well read registered play professional. I think he <hes> over in the philadelphia area. He was a short guy and when he came into the game everybody would laugh but man. Let me tell you something he had to hand. It set shots that you know in today's world. They got the three point shot. That was nothing for him. 'cause when we played we didn't have that and and <hes> he was he was he was a good man he he lived ate and drank and slept a- basketball and it was just such a such such a great experience and and i i talked to his son-in-law after i heard it. The globetrotters worked <hes> you know let go and i can talk that last week and we were talking and his son told tell me how how in shock he was. You know he got a five minute phone. Call that said a month ago that said your services are no longer going to be needed and that was it no reason no nothing and and when he was interviewed by a guy one of these reporters he said well what would read class passed away last year. He said well what would happen if read was alive today and and john farley said it would kill him and you know it. Just you know this is just something that comes comes to shop to me it. Just it's such a history behind it and just <hes> you know. I don't know what the reasoning is i. I looked at their schedule not doing their starting a plane in germany and <hes> over over ah in foreign countries right now. I don't know what their what their plans are with this new ownership and <hes> you know they're. They're still <hes> you know. They don't believe it happened happened either in <hes> you know it's it's just a it's just a shame what was his pre-game and maybe when there was a time out you guys got together on the side on what did he would. He tell you given the type of game. It was well. Let me tell you something if you weren't playing defense. If you weren't moving the ball around if you you know you'll be he'll he'll still sits she right down and you know and he wasn't afraid to get in our faces you know and and he he he he wanted every you know everything done properly and that's why when he was alive and he was running. Everything was that's why i believe everything was so so successful because i i called him the little general because that's to me that's what he was man. He wasn't afraid that you know to say anything to you and <hes> as a matter of fact i when the globetrotters lost to the generals once right and from what i understand red klotz had the ball and there's only about four or five seconds left in the game. He is supposed to throw it in one of the globetrotters. I was gonna steal it and go down and score and win the game and supposedly one of the trotter said something to him that he didn't like and he did not do it and gemma's and one needless to say there was a home meetings after that game the date on that game was january the twenty fifth nineteen seventy one the location was martin tennessee anybody anybody final basket washington wins at the general's one hundred ninety nine and regs quote was they looked at us like we killed santa claus yeah oh yeah yeah and then people didn't come to see the globetrotters louis but you know what to show that they were human. That probably did more for globetrotters than they select also. Did you guys ever get comfortable with losing <hes> redwood and allows. You know <hes> because we we we we tried every night. We gave one hundred percent if you didn't give one hundred percent of course she's you're gonna have off nights. I mean <hes> you know. There was games that i you know i had thirty or something like that and there's other games that you know you couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. You know it's just like like any other sport you you know and and <hes> but you see what the people can realize. Was you know the people in new york. Didn't you know didn't wanna hear how great your show was in philadelphia or in chicago or in you know haiti's bird mississippi or somebody that everybody wants to see a great show but the globe trump's run a lot of pressure to perform every night meddling coming in half court hook shot crowing watched him kicked the ball in from half court and we had to be on a one to and that he would adjust us as players just like any any other basketball coach would if you're not doing the job you come over here and take take a little rest sit on the pine and then that's how it was run very very professionally and what are some of your other favorite stories well well medically he used to pick on me to do some reams and that's what we call them reams of show place where he would be <hes> you know pulling down someone's pants or <hes> you know in a corner throwing the ball up your back of your shirt or something like that because i would be into every night and and <hes> you know we just had it was such a great experience in the people that i met <hes> richard roundtree pat boone mohammed ali <hes> gosh she can't even begin to tell you and and and you know just the and also the ego of going around people always asking for autographs and <hes> you know and i and that that's one of the things that i guess <hes> <hes> a few years back i took my daughter to see the globetrotters in philadelphia and i got a hold of red klotz and red klotz came up in the second. Bring my daughter down and get some autographs and he said <hes> well things are run different today how you know but they sign after the game so i got my little daughter and we're waiting in line for about one hundred hundred people waiting in line for four or five glow are sitting at table signing autographs and we're about i'd say tenth or eleventh in line. There's only about twenty people left and all four of them got up walked and i what and they said all the only sign for fifteen minutes and at that point i was so upset because when i traveled i never refuse an autograph jeff as a matter of fact i'd like little card pitchers that had made up and when we were traveling were in a hotel i'd sign a couple of hundred as i'm leaving them handing them out to the people you know so you don't get you know you don't have to hang around all night signing autographs and i never refused any want and when i when i saw that things have changed and i said not for the better i i i think they're forgetting who who pays the pace of freight here. We only have a couple of minutes left but i want to touch on your personal life because it's a very interesting story <hes> when your mom died and you're very close to her she had a heart attack. You began to self medicate with drugs and alcohol. <hes> tell me a little bit about that. Aspect aspect of your life well play with the globetrotters and having a record of no wins in two hundred and forty five losses. You would have thought that i've known what those was all about and i was at all american kid growing up. I didn't smoke. I didn't drink and i didn't do drugs all through high school college and professionally when i was twenty seven years old after my basketball career i worked in a place called wildwood new jersey during the summertime and go down to fort lauderdale florida during the winters and it would be a bartender non drinking bartender and when i was in florida when i was twenty seven i received the phone call that changed my whole life and that was i picked up the phone. The person on the other line said to me your mother's dead and when i got the phone call i felt these feelings emotions and pain and i never felt before my life kinda come up to new jersey. Jersey goes to the viewing of my best friend mother after her funeral. There was something different. I went back on a florida with all these feelings emotions paying when over to a so-called friends house and he said here here big out try some of this this help ease the pain. I said what does he says something cocaine. Now i never heard of it back. Then he told me helped me escape reality for about a week or two so so i said okay and he lied my escapes turned into seven years of living hell where i had a thousand dollars a day habit one time it was a big time drug dealer totally destroyed me and <hes> you know at the end when i used to have a lot of money drugs and friends are run out of money drugs and i ran out of friends and it was about really be tossed into the gutter and they'll place live and nothing nothing to eat and that's what i said to myself. I better get a job. I stopped doing drugs. Got a job met a girl and everything's going great and then i started messing around on the weekends drinking they drug in until one day. I walked into my apartment and this young lady how to surprise waiting for me. She was sitting on my sofa crying her eyes out like a baby with my ringing her hand and walked into the apartment apartment they. She threw me out of her life. Three days later. I'm going over to an older woman south crying like a baby and i admit it that i had a drug problem. This lady didn't get me a big lecture. She didn't scream and yell at me. She reached out to me. She gave me a hug and took me for help and that's i started a program called. Do hugs not drugs because i didn't want any other family early or kids to go through the same pain and suffering. I went through if it can happen to me. A someone who was an all american kid growing up never did anything wrong like that. It can happen to anybody. Nobody was week for that one moment so i've been traveling around speaking in schools to kids <hes> you know speaking imprisons churches council kids for free and <hes> i've been a drug counselor and a high school for sixteen years and you know i'm trying to i sent a letter to bruce willis who i knew from trying to see if maybe he knows someone that might be interested arrested my story to do a movie. I want to reach people you know i the lord has blessed me. You know <hes> i accepted him. In nineteen eighty nine on july twenty ninth and and my life has never been the same and i just wanna reach out and just try to help people not go through that same pain i went through and i've been as long as the lord has allowed me to be down here <hes> <hes> you know i'll keep on doing this. <hes> no one ever told me that doing drugs can affect your future kids. <hes> both my kids almost died at birth and this is after my drug addiction addiction one <hes> was born with sids and had to be hooked to monitor for the first ten weeks and <hes> every night the buzzer went off about ten times a night and you can you run to the credit not knowing whether you're gonna find baby or a dead one and <hes> our second one was born in <hes> when she was ten days old and december twenty ninth at one thirty the morning. I'll never forget this. We're watching t._v. A little bit of milk coming out mouths. I've been down to wipe off the milk. She was sleeping next thing. I know she's turning purple. Thank thank you very much for sharing your personal story and also the story of your basketball career with the washington generals. I appreciate it. You're welcome here any thought time. Take care of my friend. God bless you. Thank thank you very much opportunity zolak with as big al zolak and he played for the washington generals back in the seventies had a career record against the globetrotters of zero and two forty five why we continue across the country and around the world on sports byline hey sweetie. It's mom. I know you and bobby have only been dating for two days but i still still think we should all celebrate. Oh we can do margaritas at chili's. They've got that fancy one of the month for five bucks which is like just as many days as your last relationship funny right talk soon come into chili's now for our five dollars margarita of the month. It's the perfect reason to catch up with friends or celebrate. Whatever together we chilies available at participating restaurants. 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We also offer screening tools that let let you instantly narrow down your search hone in on hiring within deed experience indeed for yourself today and get a free sponsor job of create on your first posting indeed dot com on slash promo terms and conditions apply. This is america's sports. Talk show sports byline u._s._a. Here's ron dr ali joins us on sports byline the yukon uconn head basketball coach and he led the huskies to the national championship in two thousand fourteen and he played at uconn who was an assistant coach under hall of fame coach. Jim calhoun loon. I know kevin that you grew up down in south central los angeles and a lot of people may not be familiar about what that neighborhood what that area was like. Take us inside south off central for you. As a kid <hes> great <hes> you know it has some ups and downs but it had a lot of love and and our neighborhood <hes> <hes> we had you know of course my mother and my father got divorced when he was five and my two sisters and myself be moved out to los angeles so you know i i always grew up in a loving home of course once you walk out of those doors. <hes> you know a lot of things can happen. <hes> if you're not <hes> you you know directed in the right you know right area then i always directed by real good close friends and also my mother <hes>. I had a great pram mother so she i always pray before i left and once you dropped me off at school. She always let me ask you so she always did. That's always protected by angels and you know with the gangs and the drugs they always knew i'll play basketball and always kept my ball with me so they kind of let me let let let me alone a little bit <hes> but you always have to be cautious of where he was going. Who you talking to and how you're interacting with people because you can do a lot of great things that it just take one thing to to make your dream turn into a nightmare and i didn't want to do that. <hes> i had i had also had a name but i wanted to uphold and you know a the mother did a good job of providing a great platform for me to do and i wanted to be good steward over that so i wanted to always make the right this event event you know i i think i did that over my adolescent years and you know of course picking yukon and having ability to go to school then one of the things. I've always heard from kids. Edsa grew up in a similar situation whether it be new york or philadelphia or detroit kevin is the fact that if you were an athlete and the elements in that society that part art of the environment not the good elements but the others knew that you had some talent they were somewhat protective because they wanted to see that kid get out of the elements and go john and my correct about that they kind of disciplined the situation a little bit yeah. That's why i was kinda. I'm trying to say they kinda live vicariously through you. <hes> you know by by ah promoting you and saying that's you know that's that's our friends from my neighborhood and look at him doing so well and also representing. You know go to school now. So we have all different neighborhoods and you have your school in the neighborhood for you to go and represent at school and and go out there in you know my school was los. Angeles was christa <hes> high school in los angeles california so that this representatives represent neighbor was great and like i say they kind of protect you <hes> from all the nonsense and you know if somebody come and try to talk to you. Try to lead you down the path now. He plays basketball well. He's doing something great in his life so that's leaves him alone. Pick that was a great thing that i had gone from the also. Everybody knows about the playground game in the inner city city. What was it like. We're young grew up. Those games shirts and skins on a hot afternoon was great. <hes> my mother was a schoolteacher so <hes> you you know i have to wait for pick me up and and we'll get on those basketball question in one court was a template court and then you have the less accord. That was an eight eight-foot court so when i was smaller always play on an eight foot corden. I was just always drain. When i go back home one day. I'm going to get on that template accordion and wednesday date <hes> you know after we finish plan on a call one of the guys got hurt on the temple of court and rolled his ankle and they guys pointed at me and then that was the first tom i got on the court and i never got off after that ryan. I play real good so he always take me in the neighborhood and so i stayed on that template court <hes> for a long time was the rule if you weren't bleeding. It wasn't a foul yeah. You can call no fowl. No you can't call no foul so you learnt that in early on you couldn't call no foul so allows you to you know effectively still finish layup and get pounded on and you know i was was a skinny young fellow back then so you know i had that route restraint so i started eating all my meals and all that stuff so i taught me a lot of a lot of lessons planning that playground down and and and the other thing if you lost your sit there for like an hour. I'd just didn't want to do that so when i got on there. I was playing so hard that i wouldn't have to lose lose and you have to wait for another hour. You get back on the court so you know that was not going to leave played three or four games in a row and then i said that i might point out to people around the country and around the world at crenshaw in los angeles is legendary not only for its basketball players but for its football teams as well. You started for four seasons at the university connecticut. Now you gotta help me out here a little bit kevin. How does a kid that's down the street from u._c._l._a. and other schools in other schools in the west ever end up in connecticut. I don't know it was they've got <hes> they found they seen me play for a team called nike t._a._s._c. and on our team with jason kidd cherokee parks doug making. We had a very very good. Hey you program and that was kinda right. When you started <hes> in california so we went out to williams <hes> tournament <hes> down in virginia and <hes> how we say me he was assistant coach now. He's the head coach at central connecticut. He's seen me <hes> went back and told coast kowloon that we got a blur point guard. He gets from in line to airline faster than i ever seen. <hes> <hes> coast kowloon bought into it <hes> and the rest is history. I got to yukon. I took my official visit <hes> that gave me one of their husky milkshakes. This was great and then i saw practice in their practices going on about probably our and then a then a fight broke loose about out how three minutes coach didn't stop it at all. They just let them fight and i was like this is just like south central california so i'm so so that was that was history and and and now look back on it was the best decision of my life because coast cow who has a great motivator. He's like a father figure to me. <hes> he's still a lot of things i didn't even even know i had inside me and he brought it out to me <hes> and he gave me not only have one to be a great basketball player good basketball player there but he gave me a platform to be a great leader and i appreciate to this day for that yeah. I was just going to ask you. What was your first impression of him when you met him <hes>. It wasn't the person that i met in my living room when he was recruited me so that was like the first impression he was so nice and polite and then i practiced he blew that whistle and then he changed his somebody the nice guy he just disappeared so he's screaming and yelling and you know he has that boston accent and i'm so used to l._a. Accent and i couldn't understand a word. He was saying but i just wanted them to be. I want him to be proud of me. <hes> i wanted him to smile each and every day i wanted him to trust me with the basketball in my hand in crucial times and he did that from day one <hes> and he just gave me an opportunity to really you know succeed. You know get my degree and he was kind of like a passport to ron. I mean he was able to see you know different parts of the country <hes> we were able to you know take trips overseas and basketball coach caroline gave me that opportunity and he also was always big and giving back to the community <hes> so oh he i really seen his eyes and and what kind of what kind of family man he was in how he balanced not only you know being a head coach down his family was remarkable so he taught us a lot about basketball but more importantly he taught us about life and that's what i try to give back to my my student athletes today elsa talk and after you finish that kinetic you went onto the n._b._a. Now i'm going to say this very respectfully kevin i don't i think you ought to write a book about where to eat and where to live live in cities in the n._b._a. Because you right twelve thirty dollars go beyond next book yeah and and i'll promoted here on sports by how do you deal with the transitory nature of your n._b._a. Career i just had a lot of support brian. I mean my family. Was there. <hes> <hes> my my my mother my dad. They always gave me support jordan you know of course there was some ups and downs but i play with five different as on i two years in the n._b._a. Because count to ten day contract they count that as a team. Thank you get cut. You're going to another ten day contract with a different team. They count as a team so you know i played by different teams in my first two years and then after after daddy got a little bit better where i wasn't traveling as much <hes> signed a five-year deal cleveland got traded after the first season spent four years in <hes> with the seventy six or so you know it it kind of calm down later on my career but you know it's always good to be the <hes> the one <hes> they always gave me another opportunity houses the three eight hundred if not you know they gave me off to jersey on and no matter what organization <hes> that i'm putting that jury upon it's a great feeling understand that you're in the n._b._a. Because i know a lot of people had dreams and those asked racist the plan the n._b._a. And never get a chance to do so and the tell me me too. You know a guy from chris shaw that went to uconn average seven points a game. I wasn't now high school at uconn averaged seven points to play for thirteen. You know thirteen a year than the n._b._a. I'll take that of course it was a lot of different teams but i look back on. I'm like man thank god for giving me that opportunity because look at all the teammates. I got to play with look on the relationships. I've got to formulate and look at all the coaches that i got learn a budget and that's a blessing for me right now that i can say mary brown coast me <hes> rest of solo trump daily coast me all these guys in hall of fame and i had an opportunity to sit down with them day by day. Watch that's how they evolved. Their point guards involved their players in the game plan also how to manage relationships off the court and then also as a coach she gotta be a great problem so how how they solve problems on the fly and how they adapted to different seasons of different players so i've learned a lot from all my travels saw on the back on and i thank god for <hes> when change a thing if i had to do it all over again. Run kevin has joined us here on sports byline u._s._a. I have always seen you <hes> and especially when you became the head coach at uconn kevin i see you as a teacher a role that you're very comfortable with and i came across a very interesting quote by kevin durant. He said that you taught him the ropes and that you change the culture of oklahoma city. We all watched that and we all wanted to be like that. It all started with kevin ollie. Tell me a little bit about the teaching aspect and and how you feel about being able to teach young players i just look at it as just being a mentor and and and another thank kevin durant for san knows kinda worse but i mean they they all told me to. I mean i had you know my family was back. In connecticut. I was in oklahoma home city and a half brothers like that. That's giving me occurs met to knowing that i'm missing my family and they like right there for me and they're being brothers. I mean you know i learned a lot from them and also being you know a great kevin. Durant is but how humbly at the same time and it's worked at it gives unprecedent <hes> to see him every day do that. It can give me those experience and i can bring back <hes> to my players <hes> now even being around the run on having that same attitude <hes> being a servant attitude in deflecting attention off himself. I learned a lot from them. Just being a mentor. I think is great. <hes> i've been through a lot but i think you know <hes> my passing comes from pain ron and i think a lot of people see that a lotta people can can attest that israel <hes> and you you know you know on the other side of the house is always breakthrough and i just wanted to always get those guys that you know no matter. What kind of doubts you having yourself. You still bill gotta go in and half and and not be fearful of anything in life circumstances bigger than you got and you know i just always wanted to teach those guys that through my hard work <hes> through my words and it's one thing to say it. It's one thing to do. It and i always wanted my walk to be congruent what i was saying out of my mouth. I just wanted them to see that and you know. I didn't think nothing of it. I didn't think i was doing anything but you know. I think you know had a great effect on an organization and you know every day. I just wanted to go out there. Be the best person i could be <hes> each and every day for that team and have a winning attitude and lay myself down for my team. It's interesting you say that because i was talking to a friend of mine who <hes> played against you in the n._b._a. And i asked him i said. Is there one one more you know one word that would sum up kevin had cred and i think that's kind of sums it up very well credible credit and you certainly brought that to a you had a similar role roll with the cavaliers jim paxson. Who was the cavs g._m. At that time he said of you kevin was a good influence on our younger players the primary one being lebron and that's a very tentative tentative road. Is it not kevin when you kind of try to intercede with a player who is very very talented. You don't want to overstep what you're doing but you also want to be there to help them get better. Yeah and i think you know the greatest performance on a great as learners <hes>. I really believe that and i think lebron you know his rookie year. It didn't say a lot <hes> but he always watched you know what she was doing. <hes> you know he always was curious of what this person is doing and what what that person is doing and he was always learning. I wanna thank you kevin. I always was hoping to having you on. I'm a big fan of your program there and come back and visit with me again. Take care. We'll we will definitely do that. Keep up with your work to earn a love you and good luck with everything. You're doing kevin ollie with us. 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Here's ron baugh and that's going to wrap up this hour of sports byline a very entertaining our big al's zolak with us he played for the washington generals when they toured with the harlem globetrotters and the globe's record against the general zero and two hundred and forty five and they had been playing against him for some sixty three years when the globe's decided to go in a different direction and play somebody else kevin when ali was with us as well the yukon head basketball coach he led the huskies to the national championship in two thousand fourteen he played at uconn under hall of fame coach jim calhoun and he grew up in the rupp neighborhoods of south central los angeles remember you can hear sports byline u._s._a. On stitcher smart radio stitcher allows aww listen to your favorite shows directly from your iphone android iphone blackberry or web thumb. Check it out stitcher smart radio the smarter way to listen to radio hi. This is edward brown. Join me every saturday at four p._m. Eastern one p._m. Pacific time as i host sports econ one hundred one the show where we look at sports from a business perspective right here on the sports byline broadcast asked network. You're you're listening to the heartland. News feed radio network at live heartland newsfeed dot com. This stream is supported by advertisers <music> contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram's service daily newscasts for tuesday august twentieth two thousand nineteen. I might clifford a move for commonsense gun. Inlaws heads to the states plus will trump judges decide a decade of civil rights topic. Our news fired cop. Daniel pantaleo will sue the police commissioner james o'neill and the n._y._p._d. New york to win back his job that from the new york post his lawyer said monday pantaleo filed the suit under the state's civil practice law and rules and why p._d. Commissioner o.'neil fire pantaleo over the death of eric garner in twenty fourteen incident aww staten island that fueled the black lives matter movement that one is cell phone video showed the victim repeatedly shouting. I can't breathe and talk. Federal gun control of dissuasion continue in the weeks following the mass shootings in el paso and dayton that claimed thirty one lives some tennessee lawmakers pushing for what they call commonsense gun laws democratic representative and caucus chair michael steward of nashville says there are clear steps. The governor could take here in this state governor. Lee should have us implement universal background checks like colorado and many other states have done. That's step one early this year. Republican senator editor steve dickerson introduced state senate bill eleven seventy eight a so called red flag bill that would allow law enforcement to petition a court to temporarily remove a person's access to firearms if believed to be a danger to themselves or others lee has said it's still too early to consider such measures nadia nadia ramlogan reporting facing mounting public pressure and protest outside his louisville home senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has recently announced the senate could possibly consider gun control legislation will lawmakers return in the fall meantime a judicial watchdog group says mcconnell's created assembly line for approving conservative judges who will determine the civil rights of americans for decades to come before recessing last month. The republican controlled senate confirmed thirteen eighteen new judges to lifetime appointments in a two day period daniel goldberg with the alliance for justice says young white mostly male judges will rule in the rights for workers women the l._g._b._t._q. She btcu community and consumer protections for the next three to five decades. People who <hes> use the court youth position as lifetime judges to oh jam a radical agenda that they could not achieve otherwise onto the country since president donald trump took office. He said one hundred forty six federal judges confirmed firm by the senate compared with twenty during president barack obama's last two years in office. I'm russ brown earlier. This year. You may recall mcconnell at a vote to change the rules of debate for confirming firming district judges from thirty hours to two hours that followed his decision to block merrick garland obama's pick to the supreme court for almost a year this this is p. n._s. More than a year after year supreme court ruling some thought would deal a big blow to unions eric. Take it off reports the organization she showed no signs of slowing down at least in washington state the two thousand eighteen decision on janice versus apps me had the potential to cut off one revenue stream to public unions allowing employees to shirk fair share fees even as the unions continued to negotiate for them. The olympia based group freedom foundation thought this would be an opportunity to get union any members to opt out of paying these fees. Peter stars ski with the northwest accountability project says that isn't how things played out. Reality is our effort has been failure as we've seen union membership in washington increase and all along the west coast including in washington union continue to win on important victories like increases uses the minimum wage eight sickly thraw fair scheduling union membership in the evergreen state actually grew in two thousand eighteen part of a trend that began in in two thousand fourteen representation is now close to twenty percent of the workforce making washington the third most unionized state in the country according to the u._s. bureau of labor statistics the freedom foundation did not respond to a request for comment on this story membership in the washington federation of state employees grew from forty four thousand before the janice willing to forty five thousand after that ruling and the life expectancy for people wisconsin has declined for a second state year. That's according to new report. The nonpartisan wisconsin -sconsin policy forum compiled data from the state department of health services and the centers for disease control and prevention showing increased deaths from alcohol abuse in opioids. The group's policy researcher marked summer hauser says he also notice a troubling mortality trend among the states black residence. What we found is is that overall mortality among black wisconsin. I did increase by about twenty four percent within that time period from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand seventeen and that was something that flew in the face of a national national trend mortality rates for black americans were down by six percent during that same time period summer hauser says he's unsure of the exact cause of the trend but notes notes the state's opioid death rate for black people in twenty seventeen was nearly double. The national average in milwaukee county the opioid death rate for all races. This was more than twice the statewide rate between twenty thirteen and twenty seventeen. I'm trauma albion's. The mandatory display of the model in god we trust is going to greet south dakota students when the return of public schools of thursday annie. Laurie gaylor is with the freedom for religion foundation. She believes it's improper. We think this is a very inappropriate motto. Because we have a godless constitution. We are not a theocracy. Nobody has to believe in god. God is no part of our government congress adopted. Could the in god we trust motto back in nineteen fifty-six. I'm by clifford from public news service. We are member listener supported and we're online at public do service dot o._r._g. Our sports overnight america jeff ridge still a happy to be here happy to have you awake at listening to me scusi the world world of sports with you. Where did it in college football because that's something i like to do. I'm a big fan of college football and i could say that i have a fan of the game because ause. I will watch just about anything when it comes to college football. It's hard to give me to watch some n._b._a. Playoff games especially those opening-round series series of those three six and four five matchups to the two seven one eight those ever go to the distance they they probably do. They probably had like six last year but just has a different field college football the most disorganized chaotic doc sport that is popular that they're you know. I think that you can make a big argument. Boxing is a lot more disorganized than college football. The ball schedules are imbalanced unequal. Y'all amongst the conference's most teams conference yes s._e._c. West is very different from the f._c._c. is different from the big ten east from the west. The college football playoff format is unclear listened to the criteria to reach the playoffs. He seems to start with being really really good and then it just depends awed the day we'll talk about college football scheduling because on my bucket list of things that i'd like to see it's sports. It'd be some kind of standardization with the schedules so you know what i hear the comfort that comforts stinks. I think bracket busters. I think that there's a lot of things to college football. Could you could take out of the playbook from their basketball counterparts if very successful but they won't do it because college football is stuck in their ways but the hey you got a fourteen playoff you see that coming by his jeff rich college football hour coming your way here outskirts overnight america on siriusxm channel to eleven and these sports byline broadcast uh-huh you know l. listening makes us smarter more connected people it makes us better partners parents and leaders and there's no better place to start listening than audible audible members now now get more than ever before members choose three titles every month one audiobook plus to audible wrinkles that you can't hear anywhere else audible delivers abridge bestseller business self-improvement memoirs and more all professionally narrated by actors authors and motivational superstar audible members can also get free access to the new york times wall street journal and washington post delivered daily their audible app with that convenient app members access audible anytime start listening today with a thirty day audible tribe and your first audio book to audible originals are free visit audible l. dot com slash fish or text f. i. s. h. two five hundred dash five hundred bets audible dot com slash fish aw honey. 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