DNC Chairman Tom Perez
This week, Democratic National Committee chairman, Tom Perez joins us for dinner at city. Tap in do pond circle. Three. On. Major garrett. Yes. CB's. Yes. I. Major Garrett from the nation's capital. Major fin testing. It's the takeout major with CBS news chief Washington correspondent better. That's nonsense. Major Garrett Nobel. Welcome to the rapists, part of my broadcast week. I major Garrett host and creator this amazing program known as the takeout. However, you have found this program. Thank you only podcast. Adopter on CBS n digital platform. Thank you for being there. And on more than fifty radio stations around the country, we thank you for finding us and going along for the ride. You know, we at the show are two things relentlessly, curious and steadfastly non ideological. That's what you get here. And we're glad you've joined us Tom Perez. Democratic National Committee chairman is our guest this week. We're gonna have a lively conversation about a lot of things upcoming debate in ladder, part of this month in June. And then the criteria for the next round of debates in the fall, there's a huge debate going on and democratic circles about that. But I want to start with listener mail. Bill Schneider wrote us a couple of weeks ago. Bill Schneider was very unhappy that we booked Tony Schwartz, who was the co author of the book art of the deal and has been. For thirty years, regretting that decision and is no fan of candidate Trump, President Trump or Donald Trump the person. And I read this letter out loud, because I think there is something laced in here that you, Tom Perez are going to want to hear and think about so. One part of options writers letter, says I am so sick of politics, and the media's double standard, for example, CBS didn't care about the cover up regarding Hillary Clinton. My former heroin emails, nor to investigate whether or not the Obama administration colluded to keep Trump from being elected, and once elected try to remove him from office. Here's the key graph, although my family has voted democratic for six generations. I doubt we will the next time I wrote back, Bob, I gave him my side of the story. I haven't heard back from him. But I wanna read that letter Allah for couple of reasons. One, there's a narrative that you've you've from with Tom present. This whole thing is a sham and the real problem is what the Obama administer. Did or didn't do and a family that has voted democratic for six generations may vote Trump this time. What do you do if anything from that level? Well, I look forward to talking to Bob. Bob. Thank you for writing in always liked getting mail as well. And you know what's interesting when I read that. We know certain facts about what happened in two thousand sixteen from the Muller report. We know that the Russians interfered in the United States election in two thousand sixteen. We know that they did so with the intention of trying to hurt Hillary Clinton and help. Donald Trump get elected. We know that there were many, many contacts between the Trump campaign and the Russian interferers the, the Russian intelligence agencies who were doing this. And we also know from Muller that in he said, if there had been evidence to vindicate him, I would have so state, I was on the obstruction charge. There was no conspiracy no effort to coordinate between the campaign and the Russians. That's what Muller says, repeatedly in the first of all of the other about what he actually says, is there's, there's no evidence, there's insufficient to bring a charge insufficient evidence to bring charge of conspiracy. And what we heard from this attorney general who is supposed to be the people's lawyer. I, I started working at the department of Justice in the Bush one administration. I'm. Route to say that I worked under Republican and democratic administrations. He took what? Mr. with director Muller said, and he said, there was no evidence when director Muller said there was insufficient. Evidence. Right. That's a big difference. And so, so when, when when says he thinks that it's all over settled question. You have to take stock of that, as someone who comes if he says, what he means a long democratic family tradition. Well, I take stock of his concern and what I would say at the same time to you, Bob. Is that? We have a constitutional obligation when you have allegations that our president engaged in wrongdoing, potentially criminal wrongdoing, there's a constitutional obligation to investigate that there's also the other obstruction. That's occurring that I think is frustrating. Millions of Americans is what I call obstruction of progress. Democrats want to make sure that Bob and his family have access to affordable healthcare Democrats want to ensure that if you work a fulltime job, you can feed your family. You don't have to get food stamps to feed. Your family Democrats want to ensure that we take actions to reduce gun violence, major, and what all those things have in common as we have been taking actions in the US house of representatives. The house has passed a number of bills to lower the cost of prescription drugs to ensure that, if you're diabetic or have some. Other preexisting condition, you can keep your health care. We've taken. I think it's HR aid is a Bill to put in place background checks to reduce gun violence, and what all these bills have in common is that they have fallen victim to the graveyard known as the McConnell Senate Republican lab, what I wanna do. Bob is we want to fight for the issues that are about your opportunity in this president ran for president saying, I'm going to have your back and what we're seeing is. You know he's had a knife in people's backs. Let me ask you about impeachment. There is a growing call among House Democrats to begin the process to begin the impaneling of a impeachment committee, either at the House Judiciary committee or somewhere else. I wanna play for you. What you said to me at the White House correspondents dinner in our open mic session of the tank out April twenty-seventh of this year. That's number one. The way we will remove Donald Trump from office will be at the ballot box on November the third twenty twenty and we will do so by going state by state talking about healthcare, talking about an America that works for everyone talking about a democracy. That includes everyone, so you're for impeachment just on election day. The best way to remove Donald Trump will be on November, third twenty twenty so said impeachment aside. Well, the only way that your instruction, the Democrats on Capitol Hill, the only way to remove Donald Trump from office will be on November, third twenty twenty that doesn't mean that you don't conduct investigations. Right now. We have a constitutional obligation. And again, I think I said two things to you and the first sentence make no mistake about it equally. You know, I- before that sentence read I said, this is I think I probably said something like the following, which is this is the most corrupt president in American history or something to that effect. And we need to make sure that we are dispatching our constitutional obligation to conduct oversight. But again make mistake about it. But you know as well as I do Mr Chairman, since you said that many Democrats who were saying yesterday do investigative now moved over and said, yes, investigate. But with the point of doing it under the auspices of whether or not these are impeachable offenses. Do. Do you encourage them to go forward with that? I encourage them to make sure we are conducting the necessary investigation to understand whether or not, for instance, chairman Neil of the house needs. Needs. He's doing it. Exactly right. On the issue of his taxes. President sack the presents taxes. He's issued a subpoena. The law that gives them that authority was passed in the aftermath. I believe it was the teapot dome stint scandal under the administration of Warren Harding. And so this is a thirty has been there for a long time. And, and my simple point is if this president has committed criminal wrongdoing, he can't be prosecuted, according to the department of Justice while he's in office, I can say this as somebody who has prosecuted, obstruction of Justice cases, there's a five year statute of limitations. And so what this Repub Democratic Congress can do is simply. Build a record investigate the facts. And meantime, this is what I do the DNC major. We are making the case state-by-state zip code by zip code that it's the Democrats who are fighting for your healthcare. It's the Democrats who are fighting for opportunity for everyone. And by the way, when this president is removed on January the twentieth two thousand and twenty one, then he will be private citizens, Donald Trump, and that statute of limitations will not ever expired, so you can take action against him. Follow the facts where the facts lead, you that's the voice of Tom Perez. Chairman, the Democratic National Committee, I major Garrett back with a tick out in just a second. From CBS news. This is the takeout with major Garrett. Welcome backward city tap. I forgot to tell everyone where we are. And Stephanie is approaching Stephanie here. Hello. Stephanie, so city tap is a great little bistro, right around DuPont circle. And we're going to do a lot of well we're going to do a couple of drinks. I don't want to exaggerate that and a good number of appetizer. So Tom, and I have had a meeting of the minds during the break. So Stephanie, the Korean short ribs tacos, the ten spice wings, and you can't come to this pob and not have pretzels in pub cheese. So those three we'll take care of us. I think it will cover all the food groups. That's right. Exactly. But that's it perfect. That's why you're perfect. Stephanie, thank you. So we'll let you know in the audience, we have a standing invitation, Ron McDaniel, who is the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee. She's been on this program before as Tom Perez as we have yet to have her commit to a date, but she's invited. So I want you to make sure that it's not just Tom president DNC who's at these microphones. We also have an invitation out to Brad, par scale who is the chairman of the president's reelection campaign. So they're invited to these microphones, can't appear here anytime we wait their appearance. So continuing our conversation, I wanna play you sound bite recently June second. I mean like really recently? From James Kleiber, South Carolina democrat majority, whip in the house of representatives on this question of impeachment Elia, that is number three please, all the ticks is two hundred and eighteen votes to affect impeach the president that doesn't say that it would be the efficient way to do it. What Nasser Pelosi is trying to do. And the rest of us in the house of representatives is to develop a process by which we can efficiently move on this issue. So that when we get to vote, it would be something that she calls I n clad I call effective sounds like it's going to happen. Well, I had the person who counts votes. Among House Democrats saying what nets publicity is trying to do is make this officiant in ironclad ineffective, like it's going to happen. What I have seen. And heard from speaker Pelosi is what I learned as a career prosecutor at the Justice department which is, and I prosecuted for the fabric officials, and I was asked all the time, major, when's it gonna come? What's it gonna come? They're gonna come tomorrow. Why didn't you do it yesterday? And that's because the ethic I was trained in under Republican and democratic administrations, as a federal prosecutor is you gather the facts, you follow the facts where the facts lead you. And sometimes it's hard together. Facts because the subject is obstructing the facts and that's. And we've seen here that they are stonewall lead oversight in the last week or so two different courts have ruled in favor of efforts to enforce subpoenas, right? Find financial documents accounting and other thing and that's going to continue to happen. This president has made it clear that he's not going to cooperate. You're standing what we're going to keep an eye. Appreciate your deference to and support of the process, I absolutely do. But you heard as I did, and I'm going to guess you heard possibly more acutely than I did the chance at the California Democratic convention this past weekend. Impeach impeach impeach. And when speaker Pelosi was there. There was a little bit of pushback at the activists level, California's not the only state and union. I knew that I grew up there. I'm devoted to it not as a democrat or Republican partic- Californian. My point is there is seems to be an activist energy on this question. Which you either have to harness or at least pay heat. Who is chairman of the party, and that is why absolutely respect, I absolutely respect the understandable energy that's out there because as I said, I think, when in the quote at the White House correspondents dinner and again, today, this is the most corrupt president in American history. And. Well, you know, we can have a debate about him and Richard Nixon and a couple of others, but he's in infamous company. And what the reason I have great respect for speaker Pelosi's approach to this is because you look at Watergate, for instance, the ark of Watergate didn't happen overnight. There were year. There were back and look at it, folks. It took more than of investigation and near. Yeah. Ring. Yeah. The ring in order to make sure that we supreme court interference right action. And so, again, and you should go back and look at the vote to impaneled the process, it was bipartisan and large large majority of the house to begin the process in that is why I keep coming back to what I said, which is these subpoenas are going to give us information, and I am confident if we will go to the supreme court if necessary and we will win in the supreme court, even with this court because the oversight function is clear. The authorities are clear and again what's, what's equally. Clear to me is the following the Democrats can walk and chew gum, and what I mean, by that major is the following we can continue to conduct this investigation, including going to court to enforce subpoenas, so that we can hold the president accountable, and gather the facts at the same time as I said, and I stand by what I said, and I think everybody acknowledges. This given the, you know, given the makeup of the United States, Senate, the only way to remove Donald Trump will be on November the third twenty twenty and the best way to do that is what we're doing if the DNC and with our partners in the broader Democratic Party and progressive ecosystem, which is making the case to the American people on the issues that you care about most the issue of health care. We are fighting to preserve your healthcare, they're fighting to take it away on climate. We're following the science and they don't believe the science. We're making sure that if you work a fulltime job, you can live with dignity, and they don't even support a minimum wage. Those are the issues that help us win in two thousand eighteen those are the issues that will help us win and twenty twenty Donald Trump will work like heck major to distract us from healthcare, because he's wrong on it. He will work to distract us from climate. He will work to distract us from his opposition to the right to organize a union his opposition to the minimum wage. You. You, you ticked off a series of issues, there, one issue that you did not include that has been quite topical lately has been abortion rights, and I want to ask you in general. What's your approach is on that? And how much you believe it will be an issue. And secondarily, Tom Perez chairman, the Democratic National Committee, you have a democratic governor in Louisiana who signed a restrictive abortion law. You have a candidate in Mississippi running on the Democratic Party was also under the nomenclature pro-life. What is the schism and how do you resolve the schism in the Democratic Party of governor eight one governor, and possibly a second, who would be completely, it appears to me out of step with where the national party is, and most state parties are on the question of abortion rights Roe versus Wade is the law of the land. I support Roe versus Wade. Roe versus Wade is embodied in the platform of the Democratic Party. I'm proud of that is not only. A matter of women's reproductive health. It's a matter of women's economic empowerment, the Alabama law would create the following situation. If you thirteen year old girl were raped by someone related to your father. You would have to have that child, because there's no exception for rape, or incest. And by the way, there isn't a new Louisiana, not in Louisiana. And by the way sign in Alabama just to use. Another example, Alabama is has one of the highest rates of infant mortality in the United States. Alabama has one of the highest rates of cervical cancer for women. So when they when they talk about protecting the unborn. The hypocrisy knows no bounds. I fundamentally disagree with what governor Edwards, did Jon Allen words by signing. That Bill, I have respect for people's personally held views, and we have members of the Democratic Party who have a strongly held personal view about and the, the sponsor that legislation Louisiana also a democrat and again, I have respect for people's personally held views. But when you are aiding and abetting an effort to overturn Roe versus Wade, that's different kettle of fish, and that is why, I say, are they will longer welcome in the democratic I strongly oppose what they did. And I disagree with them. And we have said so publicly, and we will continue to say so publicly, I think it's what, what we'll do is simply make abortion access to safe and legal abortion, more difficult. That's the impact of laws in Alabama and Louis. Medium will not stop abortion. It will not stop abortion. But it'll make access to safe abortions. More difficult, and that is not good public policy. That's voice of Tom Perez, Democratic National Committee chairman, I major Garrett food is arrived. Stephanie brought it really quick. That's what a great pub does at brings pub food and brings it quickly back for segment. Three in just a second. We have a world class challenge heavy this kind of feel it's a deep field and what we wanted to do is make sure that we had multiple opportunities where they can present their vision to the American people, and then as happens in every primary cycle, you've got to demonstrate progress. From CBS news. This is the takeout with major Garrett. That's me. Tom perez. Chairman, the Democratic National Committee is our guest. We are at city tap in DuPont circle. West End Washington DC the food is here. We've had some of the tacos some of the pretzels and some of the wings, all great Tom Perez. You've got to debates coming up at the end of this month of June. You have Twenty-three candidates nineteen of qualified as I understand it under the current rules. You make it to twenty two twenty one. What do you do you you're going to cap it at twenty right crack? And how are you gonna Termine who appears on which night, we're using here are basic goals, met major? We wanna make sure that everybody has a fair shake. We wanna make sure that we have maximum viewership each night. And so what we've done is. And we don't want bar city JV that didn't work in two thousand sixteen kids table adults table, whatever you want to come. That didn't work. And so what we're doing. Let's assume that twenty people qualify. We'll find out on June the thirteenth how many people have qualified exactly there's this is unprecedented. There's two pathways to qualifying. One is polling one percent in at least three polls in me, set out what the poll, right. We're back in February and the other alternative way which we've never done before. And I think it is the right thing to do is, if you have sixty five thousand donors, at least, including two hundred in no less than twenty states. We got that. By taking the nineteen seventy-one campaign finance laws and modernizing them. So we didn't pick that out of thin air. We use something that congress had done. So let's assume for the moment the twenty people qualify for the debate stage. How will you do what we will do is, again, random assignment because we. Draft. I was going to invite dick by tell you know. Oh, baby. You're going to televise this, right? No, we're going to do it with the people from the campaign's though. Because privately everything we have done has been transparent. I wanna make sure all the candidates are their representatives sort of their lives. Are they're gonna televise this. We're not planning to televise it now reconsider that Mr Chairman its ratings gold. I'm just telling you listen to the man who lives in life and television anyway. So that's this first chance to country will have to tune in and see all these various candidates. Then there's a full set of debates, and you have a different criteria for that which is not one or the other. But both you have to have two percent in polls in the first four primary caucus states as I understand it and a hundred and thirty thousand donors. Correct. Almost correct. That's usually there are there are again, just to be clear for your listeners, the debate criteria. I just outlined this for. Both June July Miami, July in Detroit. And then we'd take August off in their next debate will be in September. And we were very transparent about raising the we would be raising the threshold in until every primary, you know, in recent memory, you've always had a stair step and so we're doubling the threshold from one percent to two percent. And, and before it was, or it was one percent, or sixty five thousand I will note parenthetically. We don't know, for sure. But probably over a dozen of the candidates will have reached one percent, and at least sixty five thousand in June and July, so for September it's two percent and you've got to do one hundred thirty thousand donors. And if you've gotten eighty thousand then, you're you have fifty thousand to go, so you don't it doesn't start it doesn't go to hurt blowback. Mr Chairman one that. Wasn't transparent. There are some candidates wonder how you came up with this second that there's this churn on small dollar donors, that is costly for them to pursue Facebook charges anywhere from twenty five to seventy five dollars per new donor, which could only be at dollar and some campaign say, what is the point of all of that as an exercise in either party building or candidate identification? If I have to spend all this time on digital platforms to try to get new donors to meet this arbitrary threshold when I could be meeting voters or building organizations in the early states. Well, I, I respectfully believe, and I and I have great respect for all the candidates. If you can't run an effective grassroots campaign in the year twenty twenty in today's era, you're not going to be able to win the presidency, and what are dual threshold has done is to give additional opportunity to candidates because. When in early in the process, major oftentimes, the. Polling, reflects name, ID, I've worked with three quarters of these candidates, and they're spectacular, we have a world class challenge having this kind of feel it's a deep field and what we wanted to do is make sure that we had multiple opportunities where they can present their vision to the American people, and then as happens in every primary cycle, you've got to demonstrate progress in that's what September is about. And you you're gonna walk up the steps those who are proficient at grassroots fundraising. It's very and if you do well in June, and July, you'll make the threshold don't you wash out. And that's just life. Well, when people said, people said to me when we initially, put the threshold, and this is going to be really difficult for people to and again, we won't know for sure until June thirteenth, but. Kim made campaigns have already self reported. And at least over a dozen campaigns have already self reported with Dave exceeded the five thirty eight which is a pretty good source nineteen of qualify and out. We will find out for sure because they have to prove it to you. Yes, they, they do, and we work with very closely in putting this together to address your issue of transparency. We consulted with a wide range of pollsters. None of them were affiliated with the campaign. Okay. Consulted with AC blue and for your listeners act blue is the, the portal that grassroots democratic supporters us when they are investing in campaigns, and I'm very comfortable at. And again, this is your listeners appreciate we're talking about one dollar. So we're talking about one hundred dollars. We're talking about one dollar and what we are seeing as a result of what we've done is unprecedented. Engagement of the. Roots? I think that's great translate that for the audience you could have said you have to raise one hundred thousand dollars. You could have picked a dollar amount and what you instead picked was a number of unique donors, which would be indicative of some dimension measurable dimension of grassroots support some by and what we no matter the amount. Absolutely. And what we have seen, and I don't want to again. We I love all the candidates. So we are simply. Neutral. I, I am impulsively neutral and what we have seen is there have been appearances on town hall meetings? And if some go, well you see a big spike in fundraising. I'm very confident. Hello, mayor Pete. I'm very simple there. He's one but not the only way Andrew Young. Andrew Yang has been president there. He has a very qualified. Devoted following and I respect that Ed on this program mayor, Pete, we hope soon and what we're trying to do is to make sure that everyone gets that fair shake encourage every democrat to appear on this show. Tell good food and good company. And good letters from your listeners as well. So, so the, the criterion for the second debate, the, the fall debate September is polls in for the early states. So the fourth state there is South Carolina February twenty-ninth super Tuesday's just three days later, California, Texas are massive participants in Super Tuesday. Have you given any thought to adding polling, California, Texas two that criteria in those states, you have huge number of delegates at stake, you have a huge activist base of the party, and some might argue, comma, Harris Beryl work, who the Castro might have an easier time of meeting that threshold? If Texas or California were included as opposed to be excluded as they currently are well, actually, in your examples right now, people like Beto, come on. Harris are well above the two percent threshold. So I don't think they would be excluded. We're constantly. In discussion with nonaffiliated pollsters, and others who have a lot of experience in this, and I feel very comfortable with where we show. Cory Booker others and others. Well, they've they, and they have both fared very well today. And, you know, if history is a guide, we have June and July, not to mention all of these town hall meetings that various shows are putting on. And if history is a guide, there's going to be a number of folks who have that breakout moment we are planning. We've reserved two nights for September. And while I can't tell you with the precision, how many will make the threshold in September. We're planning for two nights, which means we can accommodate as many as the threshold. And if it's a double digit number all the better that's voice of Tom Perez. Democratic National Committee chairman. I major Garrett pack for segment four and a second. From CBS news. This is the takeout with major Garrett. That's me, Tom Perez. Democratic National Committee. Chairman our guests remember Rhonda, McDaniel RNC chairwoman also invited here were hoping to book her soon. Brad, par scale chairman. The president's reelection campaign also invited to be here. So show up if you want your voice her Tom Perez wants his voice heard, and that's why he's here. We're at city tap. The wings pretzels tacos. All excellent. So I wanna ask you about something I noticed in the morning, consult series of polling morning consult, if you go on the web, you can find say as gentlemen tracks the president's approval and disapproval rating continuously starting on inauguration day. Here's why bring this up and I wanna talk to you about three states. Mr Chairman, and I want you reaction in Michigan on inauguration day, President Trump's approval rating was forty eight. It's now forty three as of late, April that's last morning. Console poll is disapproval rating in on an. Occupation day was forty. It's now fifty three. That's a swing of eighteen points Michigan, an important state Pennsylvania, on inauguration day. Donald Trump's approval rating forty nine now forty five his approval rating is disapproval rating was thirty nine hundred regulation date now fifty two that's a swing of seventeen points. Wisconsin approval rating on inauguration day forty-seven percent, approval rating now forty two disapproval forty-one, then disapproval thou fifty five swing of nineteen points. Ladies and gentlemen. If you look on morning consult, you'll see that these numbers are not at variance, battleground states about around state, the approval rating remains kind of constant equilibrium maybe four or five points apart. Maybe a little bit more. But the disapproval has raised has seen itself being raised dramatically since inauguration day. Swings like that might be indicative of a shift in mood. Especially on the disapproval site does that tell you Tom Perez chairman, the Democratic National Committee that, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan are now in the back, what it tells me is that when we talked to voters organiz voters document the trail of broken promises from this president, including saying that I'll never you'll never see a plant closure under me. And then you see plant closures when you document that. And then when you articulate clearly what we stand for, on health care on good jobs that pay a fair wage on retirement security. That's how we win. And I'm glad you picked those three states because what those three states have in common is Donald Trump won those states in twenty sixteen narrow and the democrat and narrowly. And by the way, just real listeners one. Interesting data point Mitt Romney got more votes in Wisconsin in two thousand twelve than Donald Trump got in two thousand sixteen. We lost Wisconsin. Because we had Obama Obama, stay at home, and we had Obama, Obama Jill Stein. If we had had just the Jill Stein, stay democrat, that would have been enough to win. If we had just the Obama Obama, stay home came up and vote, we would've won. I could tell the same story in Michigan. What we saw in twenty eighteen and this was a result of everybody in the ecosystem putting their own in the water rowing, in synchrony is we, we ran the table in all the statewide races in those three states and not only that, but you saw progress in Pennsylvania, in the congressional seats because we had fair maps, finally and what we need to do for twenty twenty and what we need to do. We replicate that in twenty twenty and we are a long way to, to seventy the answer is yes, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. Or in the back, I would I you, you're the one who used in the bag. I, there's nothing that's going to be easy about winning in two thousand twenty we are going to compete everywhere. We have invested in those three states and other states. Like never before we have an initiative called organizing core, where we're going to play where we are placing one thousand organizers in seven key battleground states, including those three states, plus, Arizona North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida and we're doing that now so that we can hand this to the nominee next spring. We've made unprecedented investments in technology overhaul because you got a Bill us Hillary Clinton shit. Justifiably aggrieved about what she had to work with from the DNC twenty sixteen. Oh, yes. Absolutely. I was asked that question multiple times when she said in two thousand seventeen I was not I was handed a sub-standard infrastructure by the DNC. I was asked for reaction in two thousand seventeen I said, she's right? I ran for this job because I fully believe major that, when you have a strong infrastructure when you're organizing early when you're organizing. In every state as we're doing now. And when we are ticketing, our values clearly, there are support for health care. That is a Ford -able and accessible for everyone. That is how we win knows. Well as I do the record of incumbents running for re election. It's fifteen in four fourteen and four. If you take out, Gerald, four incumbents win typically in our country, and especially a compass with a strong economy, that would statistically modeling suggests Donald Trump is a odds on favorite to win. Re-election. Why isn't he because of the trail of broken promises? The economy's going great for people like Donald Trump. I mean, the reckless tax cut that he passed helped the rich get richer no doubt about it classroom. But for everybody else, look at look at the report recently from the Congressional Research Service on the tax cut, I talked I was in Lucerne county, Pennsylvania recently wilkspur. And the question got asked the, the people in the audience. Anybody see their taxes go down from the tax cut not a person? Nary almost nobody raising their hands because, again, the trail of broken promises, fundamentally from your voice, Tom Perez, Democratic National Committee, chairman, the middle class are in no better shape than they were before. Donald Trump was millions of Americans in this country. For whom opportunity is more lucid the trail of broken promises from this president. He said that I was going to protect your healthcare. He's said that there would never be a plant closure under his watch. He said that the middle class was going to get a massive tax cut. Those aren't my words, those are his words in twenty twenty he now has a record to run on. He has a dubious distinction this president. He is the first president since we have had modern polling who's never been above fifty percent in that approval rating that you just cited and what our job is, is to articulate the trail of broken. Promises and equally if not more importantly, to articulate what we are fighting for, because we have your back on the issues that matter, most you may has a knife in your back. You mentioned that you ran for this job meeting chairman, the Democratic National Committee, that was not by acclimation, you had other candidates to run against what you learn about. Mayor pete. Oh, that he's really. He's whip smart. He is quick on his feet. He has a very shared vision of inclusion an opportunity. That's what I love about mayor Pete. And that's what I love about our candidates. I mean, we have a remarkably deep bench. I've had the privilege of working with and getting to know literally three quarters of them. And the reason we're doing this debate format in such an inclusive manner. And by the way, just to clarify what we were talking about for the third debate. It's not only the early four states. It is actually there's other polling. That's national poll in that is that is a national polling or four early. States are New Hampshire and Nevada and South Carolina. So I just wanted to make sure that we find that let's force Tom Perez. He is the chairman the Democratic National Committee, and our guest Thomas better pleasure. Thanks so much. Thank you. Thank you for a great meal. I major guaranteed. For more from this week's conversation. Download the takeout outtake espec- Al Tuesday morning, wherever you get your podcasts the take this cruised by Arden foreign Ziama, Djenka, Jamie bent, and Sarah cook, CBS, and production by Alex sucker. Eric SU Sonnen and grace Segers, follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at takeout podcast. That's at takeout podcast. And for more, visit takeout podcast dot com, the takeout is a production of CBS News Radio. Haven't been Buddha, jed edge edge. They say edge edge.