Episode 1053 - Danny Huston
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Let's do this. How are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the Fuck Knicks what's happening. I'm mark mayor and this is my podcast W T.F. How's it going. Are you okay yeah. I know it's bad yeah yeah. I know I know I know. It's going to get worse. I get it I get it. I get it the storms the heat the water rising things dying I get it. It's all gone it. There's no stopping it now. How's it going good morning. Welcome to the show will adapt right. Hey look you know and I don't want to be a Dick about it but I've never been unhappier not to have children. How data song is that character in a musical. I've never been happy. You're not to have children a a never been happy. You're not to have children. I I don't know man I apologize. Good luck with what you're doing. I hope everything's Ok today on the show. Danny Houston the actor Danny Huston Angelic is brother right Danny Danny Huston John Huston son so Danny's here he will be here in a minute. You can hear him talk to me about. He's got this new film out that it's heavy but it's beautiful. It's a film called the last photograph and we talked about that and about other things about being a Houston. How about some dates eight. You want some updates on things I can fucking do that. I not a problem I guess I am now at fourteen fifteen sixteen in seventeen eighteen eighteen days off nicotine and I think it's all mental now obviously but it's powerful. The mental thing is power. If there's just these moments where their moments it happen where my brain just sort of like should we do. Should we be doing something right now. Shouldn't you can we shouldn't you be doing one now. Shouldn't what's going on now this. We've got a free Sechin here. It's time to to to get a feeling we gotTA. Freeze got an open second. Let's fill it with something or take it down a notch or jacket up. Where's the where's. Where's the substance? Where's the stuff in that free second so that happens occasionally and I'm just trying not to feed all those free seconds with food been doing a lot a cooking here at the house. I find that very comforting very gives me a certain. It's a meditative quality. It's creative. It's engaged and I get to eveything's at the end of it. Nothing like cooking for three hours in eating whatever you made in seven minutes but I've been doing a lot of food prep around the house you. I'm trying out new things right now. I'm kind of festering about marinade for some chicken thighs. What's going to happen with the chicken thighs in the fridge. Look I know I know things are not great. I don't know how they get better. I'm sorry but I do know that by the end of the day I will figure out a marinade for my chicken thighs. That doesn't have too much sugar in it that I know is going to happen so little things folks also thank you for all the Mail L. E. Mail clearing up got some email about the Seattle shows that there was a massive thunder lightning storm. I knew that I think I might have told you about that with the lights going on and off in the ghost but then someone sent me an email saying that there there's there's some indication that perhaps the more theater is built built over a graveyard of settlers that had been moved so there could be a poltergeist situation over there then somebody sent me an email about all the people who sweat on that stage and the spirits there in including William burroughs Chris Cornell Kurt cobain cats. That's why that place has been around a long time some of these vessels some of these structures have a bit of a bit of a spiritual ritual residue that they collect kind of like a giant organ box except they're not holding organ energy. They're holding just yes the psychic shrapnel of the creativity that happened in the structure now either you buy into that. Shit you don't some days I do some days. 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Maybe somebody can give me some insight. my my older cats are are shrinking. They're getting very skinny. Monkeys very skinny. He's getting very fragile. He's fifteen years old. Is there something I should should be doing. They're eating a lot. Everybody's running around. Everybody's having a good time but he apparently they have a hard time as they get older absorbing protein they're on very high. I protein diet and they're eating it but he seems to be just diminishing before my eyes though he's got a lot of personality still and he's running around energy. Everything's fine. He's just very he's skinny. Does anybody know is in. Don't you don't speculate here. I need some real vice. I could Google it. I did I could I guess I call the vet but I don't know is there. Is there a way to fatten him up. I think I'm Kinda. Blessed skinny cats. That's that's who I am. I can project my body. Just morpheus on two cats like I'm very happy that all my cats are lean and has something to do with what I feed them. Buster is is is a large cat. He's not fat but these younger one but I just don't know if I'm doing the right thing. Maybe I should ask you. You know maybe I should just do what everyone else does and do the proper research. I really just been here at home. You know trying to enjoy my life on a few days. He's down for some reason started watching breaking bad. I watched most of Bill burs new special last night at Royal Albert Right Hall and I'm starting to realize even after watching bursts specialists I. I am definitely not as fucking angry as I used to be for. No reason like the general flow. Woah rage is different for me. I don't know if it's early onset dementia or or I'm generally working through things. Maybe it's Em Dr. I don't know but I'm just I I do. I do get angry and I do get anxious and I do get a full of a certain amount of dread but I'm not about to pop any more. I don't know why that happened or whether. I'm going to assume it's good. I don't know what to tell you in terms of how it happened but it happened. Oh yeah before I forget all you fish vans. Betty is not giving me a fish playlist the idea sometimes people say things on this this show and they don't manifest. I on the other hand have to figure out how to use spotify. That's my project for the week. As has the temperatures rise and the water rises and species drop dead around us. We're I think we're kind of lower on that list list but we're definitely on that list. I'm going to figure out how to make a spotify playlist now. I'm going to try to integrate my instagram and my spotify as the world burns rights are denied people are caged hate blossoms. I'm going to be diligently trying to put together a spotify playlist right. That's doing something right fucking fuck. 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I summoned lightning I'd like to I'll make it about me. I'd I'd like to think I have that much power some of this stuff doing we'll. We'll dicey little button pushing. I've gotten some emails about my final bit. Some concerned fan emails are sort of like we were laughing through it but it felt wrong. A you know what I mean. Come on digits words. Hey little a little less angry working on it working on stuff so Danny Huston is here. Danny estimate a nice movie. He's been in a lot of movies also on succession the season that show I love that show by the way Oh yeah N- started breaking bad again okay up to speed everyone's here this movie. The last photograph is touching dark move. It's not I don't know if it's dark. It's just heavy emotionally but it's poetic. It's one of those movies that grownups like me enjoy seeing it's exactly we the it is a beautiful deep moving sad independent film but that movie the last photograph if is is now in theaters and on demand and this is me talking to these star and director of that movie. Danny Houston UH Mayes Rickety old house in the Hollywood hills that certainly has a life of its own. She'd been there a long time. Yeah probably about fifteen years yeah. That's a whole different life up there. It seems I mean that's the life that people think of when they think of Hollywood I'm literally under the Hollywood sign. I can't see it but if you're looking at me I can extend my arms wide the opening hold him and hold the back of by chance it can so if somebody's looking at you in front of your house exact I get it well. That's nice so fifteen years. Where were you before that New York. No I was a near Laurel Canyon near Wonderland. Oh Yeah Wonderland Wonderland the street the horrible Yeah Slaughter Street hip. It's weird. That's the point of reference and sort of like I'm I'm up by the White House. You didn't mention the charming a school that's how he was known for. Did you watch yes you do see once upon a time in Hollywood. I loved it. He did right God. I loved him because you grew up in some of that right. I mean I in a way in a way I really I I grew up in Ireland and Lucky lucky pass cheers and and Italy and then I went to school in England so I I came to Hollywood late my father you know he lived in in Ireland and then later in Mexico but yeah but la was always sort of stopping point the Mexico period. It's so weird that the generation of of Your Dad's those guys they just went to Mexico. I don't you know Peckinpah. GonNa go do they. Had this romantic I am sorry that's what I always associate the family the Houston family with this kind of strange adventuring thing international well. I mean I gr- growing up. I wasn't well. I guess I was clear clear that he was that he was director but he'd come from far away countries bearing gifts and it was like a pirate coming to visit the house and with Tall Tales and yeah swatch buckling kind of Guy and Ireland he he left a sadly after about four or five marriages. I guess we'd where do you fall in house it like because I had your half sister. She's your half sister right Anjelica here. Yeah your mother was which wife my mother was sh. She wasn't a white how a up my mother was inbetween wife number four and five or either between five and six and and but you had a relationship with everybody. Oh yes I know my father and my mother were tremendous together and and ver- very close but yes there was there was a lot going on always but now white things have settled down but like when you started like where'd you grow like you were in. Italy like like right in Rome. I grew up in Rome because my father I was making a film based on a rather well known book called the Bible Though Yeah right and and it was it was a long pre production shen and post production the whole thing took about three or four years and so I I happen to be born there i. I like to say that I was conceived. If we're using his films as a measuring stick I was conceived during Freud born during the Bible and t- On night of the Iguana and so I I spent some time on on on the set of the Bible and I I remember watching the first cut and you know once fathers I is is God probably for forever his his son and daughter but in this particular case the film starts and here in the beginning my father during the voice over for God and then the next thing I knew he was noah animals following them into into into New York right and this this was just fantastic for me and then and then my mother was also in it plays Hagar and she's in in the desert he said Noah Abraham Abraham and and she's in the desert a dying dying of thirst and suddenly this kid appears who's our son and he's not me right at that point. I got very confused and I've had that problem really all my life trying to differentiate fiction mm from reality. It's hard right. It is like I interviewed. There's a guy who's the guy that wrote the big book on your family. Larry Global grow. I interviewed him a while back he he he's the big interview guy and I remember I set out to interview the interviewer and it went on a a long time and I'm not sure what I was looking for. I know that I had like he came back again. To what was your did you like that book yes. Yes I think we we we. We all liked it. At times. Dove the possibly a little too deeply into with interviews with others I felt but my favorite book biography was a book called an Open Book uh-huh that my father wrote and so wonderful collection of stories about the family or short stories. It's a collection of stories from his his life and they're just there's just marvelous and and we used to kid around saying it's anything but an open book. It doesn't reveal the sort of things that Larry rebel grow well yeah I I I didn't I didn't dent it. was you know it's a big book and I will eventually get it. You know it's it's great from from from you know you learn a lot about Walter. Huston grandfather's grandfather I remember him from the the devil and Daniel Webster Daniel Webster that's right and and you know he was born in Toronto and his struggles and it's it's. It's it's an interesting book from sort of from my point of view piece of family history sure well yeah. I'd say it sort of fills in the gaps I would imagine for you. If someone else's doing the research I did that. I did that show finding your roots. You know it's a genetic thing and then they do the research on it and and it was it was interesting but you had a guy thorough research and talk to everybody involved in incorporated into the history of show business. That's a nice thing to have yeah as a point reference. It is even if he did dig up some bad shoot. Sometimes you got bad shit there. Yeah it's better than than now it. CR- create creates a dramatic read so white. When did you realize it. Show business was the thing I I felt somewhat assumed you know we just mentioned Walter my Father Angelica. Yeah my cool cool sister and jellicoe yeah and how much older she about ten years okay so she was in. It and you're like whoa she was. I mean as a kid you know she was. She's still is incredibly cool. Oh but she she she was friends with like the rolling stone and Jack Nicholson and so this was incredibly the exciting here but yeah my nephew Jack Houston. It's kind of like the family business so I mean I resisted for a while. I I like to paint and and I sometimes saw my father struggle with the whole circus act the ass surround filmmaking right and and and the money involved and it I could see that it it caused them trouble from time to time even though he knew how to play the game yes so beautifully I mean he was just a poker player really yeah yeah he bluffing just just like in what situations where was the what was the education was. I'll I'll give you an example. I remember when he was making his honor with with Angelica and Jack. Actually he a guy from ABC ABC came up and said Mr Houston's and crab why you're using such a low amount of of of footage a film you're saving so so much in in in the budget by doing so and he said thank you very much. It's very kind of you and then and then when the gentlemen left left after the room follows idiot you know he doesn't understand that the can't cut it any other way. Aso's control he he'd be cutting in the cameras so that so that so they didn't have any where to go any option yeah. That's that's. That's the kind of thing you know that sort of trickery and when you were coming up like so you started as a painter college I went to art school. I went to film school and and you're in in London Yum and then and then I had this moment when he was making a film called under the volcano. Oh Yeah Albert Albert Albert Finney based on Malcolm Lowry and he he was struggling with the title sequence. I I used to make him a a cocktail drinks depending what country he was in it would be a different rank. in Mexico it was cool libra a Roman coke and and I brought him a coke and he it upset him he said No. No no no the coke should only color the run the back of Puerto and we watched we watched Russia's around the volcano for under the volcano and and he was struggling with this with this title title sequence opposed to it was paper Mash as dolls but they didn't move so as long shots were very static right for the so he turned turnaround to me and said Danny any you've been to film school and stuff right directly to title sequence and and it was it was almost a moment of horror for me right but he handed over Gabrielle Figueroa was wonderful cinematography yeah and I shot I shopped the sequence using a camera that moved around the dolls to try to create some movement and he was delighted and that was my first. I that was it. That was like hooked. You like just be well. I mean policing. Your Dad's obviously great thing he he he dumped this thing on you like you hidden. You couldn't say no and showed up and you. You nailed it. I I like. I like to think I did but I did. I did come out of film school here so it was it was kind of my my secret. I'm bishen yet. You just didn't know how it was. GonNa unfold where the confidence was gonna come from yeah and then and then he he produced the how long before they you did The you know the first feature the first feature I did with with with him was based the Thornton Wilder and you directed that right directed that call Mr no right and I had a wonderful cast big cast. I remember Anthony Anthony Edwards Yeah Yeah and again my my father. I mean we were like two Hustler's. Yeah I remember presenting presenting the script to to Lauren Bacall and there was a long flight of stairs. Did you write the script No heeded your dad yeah. He didn't Janet Roach. Who's was actually also wrote. The prince's on with him was that was he intending was one of the things that he was intending to direct or how did that like no I gave it I gave gave him the idea instead all right. I'm going to write this and you're going to direct US right interesting and so yeah so so we we we got this great cast together and and Yeah Lauren Lauren Bacall I was literally standing on top of a flight of steps outside the Westwood Marquee. He and I carried his oxygen tank up the steps the emphysema up two steps towards Lauren Bacall yeah and I turned around and winked at me no way she's going to refuse this uh-huh and sadly while we were making the film and he he called me he was meant to act in it yeah and he called me Danny. If I were to fall ill is is it a cafe Robert Mitchum to stand by just in case wall okay. I'm sure you're going to be fine but but yeah sure of course and then he did become ill and checked into the hospital in Newport Rhode Island and why you were shooting while we're shooting and and Robert Mitchum arrived came to the to the hospital. They spoke and Mitchum said. I'm sorry about the about the circumstances but I'm I'm I'm here yeah and when Mitchum left the Rome my father lowered his oxygen tank looked at me and said biggest hoax I ever pulled you know he he considered Mitchum one of the greatest actors and couldn't believe that that Betty got him but this was also a show of bravado and and and show a show of support and he was such a gentle man in that regard. Did he get well or was that he got weld for short time and so like what sort of fascinates me about Not You know the choice in like something like even like Mr North and then again with the new movie which I watched the last photograph it you know and even some of the movies your father made that were is that these stories are very few are very specific. They're they're not mainstream stories. He's necessarily their stories like I have this big rant going on you know actively in public about the limitations of you know mainstream cinema because of the the bullying element of you know comic book movies and you know what independent film means work and go and I just I I realized that some of this stuff like your dad and even like I think Mr North Okay right because you know you had good actors absolutely but then as you move forward like watching the last photograph Raff powerful movie very moving you know it's beautiful look at it. It's it's challenging a lot of ways but it's not like a story. Sorry that you just don't these type of movies are. They're hard to to see any more like in movie theaters. It's not true it's true but I mean I thought it was an amazing movie and and I'm glad I watched it before you came but like even with something like Mr North e you know and then something like this this this this thing the the last photograph which he wrote and directed and acted. How do you like you know. How do you decide to commit to that story. The in you know what I mean. It's sort of like it. It always baffles me. When I talked to directors were were they have this thing and it's sort of like because it's going to take years and you got to walk in. I mean obviously you're are acting and doing other things. But what was it that that sort of what was it about that story. Let's talk about the West though as sort of grab the newest movie yeah MM-HMM I. I know exactly what you're saying the way it's. It's you know he again. My father was just spectacular the way he'd be able to make a wise blood and fat city to fats Eddie and under the volcano but in between those three three right he got an anti so he really knew how to play giving want to them and and right right and keeping a couple for himself in keeping himself interested in new material yeah figure out new ways to make films and that the last movie what the dead yes spectacular but but also able to throw out you know. Anne escaped victory the Dino diller enters the Bible. He was also able so he he was he was really able to play that right right and so with the last photograph. It wasn't idea yeah that a friend of Mine Simon Astaire gave me as as a as a gift really is yeah beautifully written screenplay and and with that what was his screenplay semester yeah and and and and I I saw it as an opportunity not to to play get back in the saddle yeah and and play with different mediums not necessarily for stylistic L. Listrik reasons but for reasons of necessity and so I I used cannon still camera to shoot shoot London and Drink Christmas I then used with film no digital's digital sixteen millimeter for the scenes with the kids in the park. I use probably about six or different types of equipment are was that on film the six hours yeah now of course the technology is so advanced that you can make anything look like anything but I liked the idea of of actually holding the equipment that was that was older and it forcing me to see things possibly slightly differently and your character has that yet element to him too. He's stuck in the past a bit that's right in grief but also it seems in his shop as well yeah exactly and and and the different and the different formats also also allowed me just to not have things like place cards or dates for them and hopefully emotionally the film is at times possibly little languid. I could keep the emotion stretched emotion without giving you more information on the effective because you know there's a good chunk of the movie where you don't really we know what happened exactly. There's there's pieces given to you kind of but it's really it's really about the poetry of grief right right and the maintaining of of of that in moving through it yeah and and the sky bookshop he's equipment marginally usually come may probably unpleasant kind of guy and this photograph is stolen and and he he spirals he he goes into complete panic and and then while he's searching for this photograph yeah You the film becomes comes to sort of a tapestry a collage of memory the that lead one to sort of fateful night which December over twenty seconds nine hundred eight when Flight Panam WanNa won a exploded over Lockerbie right. Yeah and it's like it's still thing it's sort of like like there there. I just had a conversation with somebody else about human beings and about how we avoid the realities of death e you know we do you in terms of that conversation was about how old people don't l. Elderly people own dine in homes anymore. They everything everything's geared towards. You know not paying attention now. So when you see you know a man this character he played kind of like not being able to let go and having death hoisted upon him you know in such dramatic and public and shocking way it it was it was surprising for me. It was just it was very sort of emotionally satisfying and it sadness because you really play it all the way through. I me not acting that I mean that must have been somewhat difficult. Was it for you yes and also directed at the same time. That was a little schizophrenic. Yeah the yeah you you're talking about the the more mass shootings that we see me you see on on on the news channels these photographs that come up and each one representing accenting individual story right and that's what I found interesting about the concept that sign minister brought to me and you from a directing point of view. I knew that me Danny would be available as as an actor right and I could shoot shoot the easy cash could suit at different moments for different times so I could shoot London in in the winter in London in the summer and I could. I knew that I had that I had me a so. That's one of the reasons I cast myself right. The probably primary reason I can't in your scheduling on the phones I hey man can you I didn't have to do that. I was and and but it was it's he's a hard character to to take home because the state date of he's kind of like a post trust the atmosphere and the the the grieving just as such that you that the it's it's hard to shed and one's bombarded with new photographs all the time right so but it just became something that I was. I was very aware of and now that I talk about it. It's something that's I can conjure back. we've we've all we've all we've all lost friends and family and Cetera we all have we all have that last photograph and so it's it's it's it's a hard thing to continue performed performing right but from a directing point of view it was exhilarating could use these different formats. I could dance around. I could shoot stuff in London. Go drive up to Scotland's shooting Scotland and it has an insane scene where he's just in charge but I could play play. I can look at from a direct from a from directing point of view right and I was ca- it's a little bit of experiment. The film also I was interested then in creating a situation emotional thread that could lead me into live news footage without having to superimpose superimpose my character into the rising but actually create create a situation where we didn't feel will that we were cutting away right who news report but I mean when that guy came out and made the announcement yes. I worked really good. Yeah the nurses arriving the ambulances. Yes yeah that's all real footage. You know it's great because I can even look like the same room that you were example most yeah yeah that's by design. Oh yeah yeah no that was great. Yeah I I in also and the sort of relationship with their line in there that the actress Ceuta Chowdhury Yeah Yeah who I hadn't seen in a while and made this a couple of years old yes right yes. He's took awhile took align its way it did but that line where where she says. I believe it was her where where she says you know he was in love and he wanted more yeah. You know it's really kind of like there's something about the the poetry of the script. That's pretty you you know kind of like at every juncture. You know you sort of feel it sort of her outreach to your character to frame. This is something that you know. Wasn't your our fault number one and number two you know. There's no way to explain it. There's no one to blame after a certain point. How do you let that go because he's he's guilt ridden because he he bought the ticket yeah. CETERA and then the dynamic with the girl with the girlfriend whose only you know who only knew him for three weeks very profound as well because that she's GonNa Carry. Sorry that weight on a different level. Yes yes I know and I don't know whether I have discussed this with with with the writer Simon. I'm an a couple of times but when she returns back in the story after years of past the your sure I'm not sure whether whether he's imagining that or yeah well. That's one of those things where it's actually in a joke. I'm doing on stage you know because I'm a comic where I talk about about the difference between you know these big huge marvel movies but like they're pushing us all to we have to Dr twenty-five thirty miles to you know to see grownup movies in a in a in a theater situation where we can all have the experience together and walk out confused by the ending as one group of people and that's you know what happened to those days did. He died while she what happened. I don't know what happened. Why didn't they tell us. I think the director wants us to have this conversation. It was so one of those movies for me where no poetic attic ending but there but also that was it like you know I it's it's to create some did he. Did you not imagine what is it real wasn't yes and and does he. Is he looking. I I hate the word closure but is he looking for some sort of peace within himself by imagining her and releasing her back to the love affair that she was having with his son. Yes yeah yeah in. Does he 'cause. They're you know that shot of you at the end does not comforting. No the film is not a company film. It is not a Friday night popcorn movie. It is absolutely antithesis so that I'm really trying to like for myself. I assess this kind of stuff and and put it into because you know I'm like I think I'm about your age. I'm fifty fifty six. You know when you start to think about like what am I taking in. Why am I taking it in. What is important. What is art? What is an art you know what and when I when I saw how that your movie started. I was like all right well. This is what we're GONNA do here. This is young and this is something I'm going to have to sit with and I'm going to have to allow and I don't eat them because in terms of the narrative the story. It's really a a a poetry movie because you know the the story. Obviously you don't really think you're gonNA find the photograph and then I it's just a it's a series of revelations that AH deepen the characters you know grief yeah for the viewer but I I really thought that through that and the way that you shot it you know the way that you shot their romance the kids romance and and your relationship with with that with the woman who walked works across from you and even your old friend these become very he loaded and the there is sort of small bits of relief and bits of connection that we all can have around the emotional processes guys going through and that that that is what it should be. You know that is what the feelings should be. It doesn't have to be about like well. How's The story in there. You know it's that is the poetry of film. If if you let it happen yeah and it's it's the reflective nature of it. I believe film. Oh yes yeah the I mean we thought we were talking earlier about about my father in Ireland and he'd get the the projector out in those big the Pov about about the film ripping or not and then we'd project these films on the wall and my grandfather who I never met wasn't treasure of the Sierra Madre and he was is he was a gold perspective or any and that's who I thought he was. I thought my father was no so film kind of lies and and but also tells truths at the same time and what I thought was interesting was was this drive to the airport driving my son to the airport and it's it's a really quite a banal conversation. We're not saying anything that carries any great. That's where it starts the movie yeah in a way it's it's the spine of the film but then as we are informed as the audience is informed. we see this conversation a different way and and and I I find that I find it interesting. How how we find more symbolism or we are more concentrated or intrigued by a conversation when we are informed what will happen how many features view directly of three third one yeah? I started with with a with a small one hour film fresh. OUTTA film school after I drink to the title sequence called Mr Corbett's ghost and my father was in it and get it online I probably and he plays a collector actor of souls of typecasting yeah and and I have Paul Scofield in it and and and had Burgess Meredith and one and then I moved on to to Mr North where warmer call Robert Mitchum Harridan Stanton David Warner Mary Stuart masterson Virginia Madsen a great great cast and then I made a film called maddening with Burt Reynolds and Angie Dickinson and then I made another film called becoming Klett about clefts with classmate awesome brand our and at that point I lost my I lost my father who was by my friend my my collaborate you and and and then I found myself in rather season Louis state in Los Angeles Emmanuel on my own man and without years we're going by I was I was a lots of meetings phone calls and trying to get stuff going but you were acting. No I wasn't I was I I was in a in a complete funky sort of flat lining and and I couldn't I couldn't get anything off the ground and and a waiting for this is like attornal green light so the plan was directing plows to read write and then fellow directors friends right because the kyw their kindness Ryan Healy started casting means small parts right and then the parts got bigger and suddenly I realized wow I should take this isometric Tuxedos. I mean my my my the reason I said yes was because I was interested because most of my most of my film experience I was on my father's film sets so I I was I was interested in experiencing how other people worked and I work with Mike Figgis and with Bernard rose who were more experimental in their approach and kind of which one time code. Oh yeah that's our quadrant ran and we were writing the script and music sheet that was yeah and you did do but you knew figures he puts you in leaving. Las Vegas. I guess I was number number two and that was the first like that was that was a he was thrown. You'll lifelines yes. He's like Danny's in trouble. Yeah we gotta that is somebody forgot throwing. You can't keep him keep his health insurance and then you know and then Bernard Rosen is an eye he just I worked with them on a on a on on version of Anna Karenina and and he and he said he was having trouble with a ah cut on the film and and we were both in a in a in a very depressed state moaning groaning about the film business right and his girlfriend at the time said you guys are really boring why you just go out and make a film yeah. We're like no you don't understand is far more complicated. Take that you can't just go out and make a film. She's like why have and she was a documentary film here and so we tried this new camera this Sony digital camera that Sony lintas correct no earlier and they and they they used as a testing a trial yeah and we shot chop this film in our backyard basically and it's called Ivan sexy based on their death of even illitch here and and it was a bit of a sort of poison letter to Hollywood it but basically we we stayed true tall store yeah but as best as best we could actually quite a faithful adaptation and and it it became a success it got independent film spirit nominations yeah and and it sort of it sort of propelled me as as an actor next thing. I knew I was working with Scorsese. Nicole Kidman physical birth and I was like wow I gotta take this seriously right not that I wasn't but I mean this. This is actually actually happening but he had you had any training. At all none whatsoever life life was my training and story story. That's what it's all about. I consider myself a storyteller sure of course yeah no. No I know I I talked to more actors than I used to you know and because I've been doing get a bit myself but many of them come down to the story there honoring a store and other people get caught up in the nuance of acting acting in terms of tools they use or what have you but you just show up and try to show but yes yes. It's it's so basically from that point on I was I was an actor and what I love about. It is my Credo Credo basically try to work with people that I respect right and and so it from acting point of view I I mean you mentioned this earlier. How much time it takes direct but from an acting point of view I can be like a like a like a B. or something right. I can go and I can taste the nectar from different flower. I can make three or four films per year. If I'm lucky acting I can I can maybe do a couple of TV. V. shows or guest appearances but I can keep I keep active and I can be working on many many stories at the same time. Now this grinds to a halt when one is directing right because you're turning you're turning other other stuff down possibly and you are just single-mindedly sadly directing this. I mean the last photograph like you mentioned this to two two and a half years ago I finished I started. He's making making it and finished it in a rather unconventional way but it's taken it's taken a long long time and and and you need you need the occasion and the gumption to just just keep right. Keep keep riding it right until into seen right. That's from the point of conception to the point release so a lot of time on some level there there. There's some element of rationalization in you know when you taking you know four or five acting roles a year and you're sort of framing it is like why get to experience how other directors work and stuff that when you actually have to direct in focus your own energy on not doing any of that just for two years. There's got to be sort of like the I just can't. I get a job just in not finish this uh-huh yes and and and at that point the ideas possibly become a little tired for you yeah but you become utterly obsessed right. Oh that's good you have to AH yeah. You can't let it go so when Oatman. You're also like a what you're doing. You're in succession this season. I noticed you. I just started watching it a couple of weeks ago. That must be great to work with those guys. It's it's fantastic and you know Brian Cox I met him because because we both played general striker in the and the X. men so it was it was a very funny meeting in Edinburgh Scotland or where it was like I playing you know no no. I'm playing you look completely different so it was it was great to see him again. and I love working with Brian. He's he's where's he from his he British. He's he's Scottish. He's Scottish. Yeah yeah comes from yeah hard Scottish background. Oh yeah yeah like most of them. I guess I guess let's listen I mean he he was he we were in Dundee and he showed me the apartment or the house where he where he grew up. It was seven families in in one block maybe two three floors and yeah and and outhouse that they all used right so when you do like like over this process of doing were e obviously growing up a bit on your father sets and then working a bit with Scorsese with Figo's with who who are some of the other people that you how do you would you integrate into your directing craft from these experiences while the experience of making about four four or five adaptations with with Bernard rose tolstoy up we did. I was ecstasy which is a neck. That was your big break. I I don't know that I remember seeing thing that movie. That's the death of even illitch then then then we made boxing day which is master and man that we did the crisis and Oughta we did the to Jack's which is which is the two SARS. I did that with my nephew but what I what I really took from from. Bernard is his sort of unapologetic logistic manner he doesn't wait for anybody to Thailand whether he can make a film or not he just starts yeah and then he's tries to raise some money here and there but he's kind of like a like a punk rock hats and he's he's. He's like you starting his interviews in your garage right yeah yeah. Do It do it. You don't you stop you. Stop you stop the concern about who's WHO's GonNa. Release it and and worry how the backing jacking is arranged financially but that makes it difficult because you need to get it out there and but it's but it's it's it's a great aid unapologetic approach and Mike Figgis was the same and so that's that's what I got from. My father had to play the play the studio system where he he was. It was like yeah yeah but we don't have to do that anymore. If you've got a guitar and you've got a good melody a lashing out in the garage and send out yes good. It'll probably it may. Maybe maybe yeah yeah but you know you've done it. I do think that I mean it's a good question you've done it. That's true you've you've completed it and you've done that. You've done the work of your heart yeah but it is an interesting question about the way the the fragmented media works in this sort of this ability to self generated a-rated put things out in the world is at the idea that like well if it's great it will it will find its place but I wonder how necessarily not you're right and I wonder how many geniuses are out there submerged not necessarily yeah absolutely right and the stars do need to align and sometimes they don't and the worker still. AH possibly remarkable. I mean how how many how many great painters are out there that we don't know how many Vincent Van Gaal's route that we don't that's quite it's wild but but there is a lack of gatekeepers now so yeah and they were the ones that determined things but also there's the other side of that unfortunately is not unlike some painters enters that if something exists out there in the world at the time it was released her created. It may not get any recognition but you never know fifteen in twenty years down the line. Someone finds it like this. Guy Was a died destitute. Yes what a gift. Yes also also true absolutely true yeah but you know when when you have when you have the machinery in place. I have a film out this this this this these past couple of weeks call ageless fallen fallen and that's that's that's Jerry Butler and that's that's a franchise and and the just it's it's like a freight train. You know it really. It's it's it's Kinda. You cance dance to stop it. which is you know it's wonderful to be part of that? It's great to be in a number one film for a couple of weeks but is it. Is it marvel movie or some no. It's it's a he plays a security security for the president and this is the third installment to get an implicit. Does it fall in. London has fallen angels for no shit and I don't even look at this cast. I don't even know what this movie is. Where am I living and it's a huge movie. It's a huge movie. It's a huge success but my point movie theaters in in practically every that is actually my point. It's practically every movie theater and my film. The last photograph is playing in one theater nationwide in Santa Monica family at your strategy for one week. Get a fly in for one week and then it'll go on on the on the video demand and all the digital platforms etc which I I'm perfectly happy with this film because it's there's something quite private I but about the experience of that movie that might be true I got and it goes against my sense of what it should be but it is and I'm delighted that it's going to be up on the big screen for a week for for a week or so. I was just in a movie like that where you just to be a theater at all. I guess it's an exciting fighting thing yeah so there's no chance that it will pick up more theaters or you don't. I don't think so I think it's all it's all geared towards the one week theatrical release yeah and then into your home. So what was the journey of this movie. The why did it take so long. It's it. What did you do the festivals have. What was the process of the last photograph? We did the festivals yeah we we did. Edinburgh Film Festival which very poignant evening with Alastair Stewart who was one of the newscasters who announced the Lockerbie Panam one is really sort of relevant in how like there are these tragedies. Is it happen through acts of terrorism that that that seemed to require the victims the survivors you know living live in a sort of blame you know to find some sort of justice like like throw of him because these shootings like you said because there's so many things like this that create these type of the families of victims yeah the one on one fight was complicated. We we don't really know where the blame lies. I know very very many conspiracy. Theories was attached to Libya initially right. Well you know finally I believe it was Cheney who negotiated a deal with Gadhafi where Gadhafi gave money to the families of the victims right as a means to lift sanctions off and and then Blair and and and Bush We're able to have business again right so you know he he Ghaddafi accepted the blamed by paying by paying right the families but never actually said it was him so we don't. We don't really know there was a man it was prosecuted in in in Scotland who was released and brought back home to Libya because he was dying of cancer at at we don't really know we don't really know but it's what we do know that this was one of the first terrorist hits bits of that on that size many Americans may I think the biggest terrorist act over English English soil right and it was the the beginning of of of what we of what has happened sure so okay so you you do the event with Allistair in yes Belle's magical and then the other other event was a screening at Mill Valley which was during the fires yeah so so that was that was that was that was that was tough but everybody was everybody was very I don't know about willing they were open been right to a film about loss yeah interesting and so then where does the what what what is the process of like. I don't know no I I've talked to Sophie Huber about her recent documentary that the blue note documentary then I sort of talked to her about that to help her because I love the movie get it out there in the world and work with Lynn Shelton independent film director whose great and we did a small movie but like so it goes to festivals and you try to sell it or or get a distributor or how yes exactly you goes to festivals you hope you'll who financed it originally private financing on it that came through Simon astaire there okay a man called Hans Rousing Yeah and an investor investor charitable yeah. I think they are independent film. Yeah the film. Then cost didn't cost a lot of money but still will you need money to make yeah you hope that you garnered good reviews that the audiences is is some your supportive yeah and that their baby a few a few people there that might want decide to pick up the film right and we were. We were lucky enough to to to find find freestyle who are releasing it for us. Wow and that was a two year process if not longer yeah it's crazy longer all right so let's talk about these all right. Let's talk about these. now the the marvel movies certainly so the you were in x men origins of Wolverine all right so you know when you get one of these roles like a role oh like that and and I think the other ones oh by the way I loved. I loved Standing Ali I I'm so I think anybody involved in film. We should see that movie yeah and you were greatest. How rotea was not. It's not huge is a good part yeah. No I was so again as far as like tea tasting the nectar off of different for that was that was the perfect example of me being able to go there work for two or three days and see these two guys who just were remarkable aw crazy and you know from the prosthetics to their movements was I was gobsmacked. I forgot my dialogue because they were just they looked. I come believe it so unbelievable into the mannerisms and you know I mean both of them but Coogan was the detail yeah Kostanic. Laura was like this twitchy tricky business yeah yeah. I can't heartwarming isn't it. I loved it. I loved that movie so when you get these like as an actor because I I I'm maybe I'm wrestling with my own trip here but whatever you may think of movies or what they're you what they're placing culture is or if they're doing actual damage to the form you'll as an actor. You make choices an actor right. I mean there's money involved all but I mean we're not talking a fortune but you wanna work and you know I guess not unlike your father directing. you know movies that he may not out of wanted to direct in order to stay in the game and do the stuff he wants to do. You know you'd somehow I guess show up with as much as you as possible and and engaging it as as an artist that you are without judging it yeah but okay a AH the number of people I've met who've said Oh Anne was when I when I was a kid. I loved her or you know the entertainment value. That film has to lift. Did you out of your daily right. Possibly dull or or or or or life where you're you're. You're suffering bringing. You need a little light in this. You need something to lift you up a little bit and I think I think to judge these films too harshly. He's possibly unfair. what I try to do from an acting point of view is I just try to find the key into the character with wonder woman for example General Luton Dwarf Yes in in story terms he basically wants to exterminate mankind right okay yeah but in truth he was a real a real man he existed. DORF he was humiliated. in battle he lost his son on the German. Front and it it's it's all about you know which we're seeing a lot of today that nationalistic pride yeah and once you he's and I spoke to Patty Jenkins about this once. We started to get our head around this guy and understand him. I understood is the mackin nation right then I was able to portray the vote of the horror in in in in a more entertaining way a little bit more arch right with him on your own heartbreak. Yes yes however sinister yeah that that may that may one way to go yeah and and you know and I had a line on a film that I didn't call the constant gardener when my character says of those patients would have died anyway and he's talking about African Kenyans who are dying of AIDS and they're experimenting drugs on them and I found that line so horrific but if I could say it and mean it then maybe I'd have the character actor down you know so that's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for I'm getting scalpels out and dissecting and prodding and seeing what the how these guys are and how they I feel and and and not necessarily honoring their evil right doings but but but understanding anywhere it where it comes from and and I think that a great novels paintings poetry is able to do is able to do that if you're able to understand other yet and you write or or breakdown this thing of them and us right and that's that's I find that fascinating from from from from a psychological point of view as well right so you just rise to the challenge in in figure out like when you get offered these roles that are broad you know what the what the guts of it is yeah but I mean I kind of have to do justice for the the film primarily. I have to figure out a way in doubt if I can't find it then. I can't really I shouldn't be doing and that's interesting because it comes comes down to sometimes just a script reading a line in the script like if I can wrap my brain around this yes yes. I'm a story of my fathers with with with Katherine Hepburn Burn when he was making African Queen Catherine Hepburn was couldn't figure out the character we could choose to having trouble with it. She goes up to my father. She goes John. I I don't know who this woman is. Father paused a moment said looked at her said Eleanor Roosevelt. Okay and sometimes that's all an actor. Knees is just a little key and interesting into who they're portraying. That's quite so now. Okay okay so now I'm GonNa. I now I. I think I got to just go out and watch some of these movies. I've I've been pushing getting back on them now. Angel has fallen like that's a whole franchise no idea it even existed. You're in all of them know only only only this last last month. Did you see it. I thought yeah yes I like it is as I said the antithesis of the last photograph with the fun a shoot em up shoot em up movie but what I liked about a my key into that actually and and and but what a lot of the other actors are portraying we are men that are damaged from war men that that cannot become part of what we consider a civilized a environment they've been trained to to to be lions yeah and they do not understand a a peaceful state the they they need the adrenaline to to feel alive right. We took grass moving in the fields for them as as as as a as a potential attention enemy that's lurking below right right there on another level and that was what was interesting to me cool all right well that okay so that. I I seem to be moving towards this engaging in this in these movies and just being I think one of afraid of they'll just be. I'll just love him well. I'm GonNa be that guy the guy who rails against your so fun. They don't want to be the fun guy well. I'll tell you it's been great talking to you then great talking to you. Thanks for coming in. I you know I I will I will share the I love that movie of your movie. Thanks great hearing these stories and we'll see where it and we don't know where it's GonNa end up after the after the film it'll be on I tunes and it'll be all all the all the digital yes exactly it'll be on pay per view and direct TV and then we'll go to lose streaming is an all all the usual streaming tremendous yeah well. Thanks for coming over. Thank you very much for having me okay again. The last photograph now in theaters and on demand and don't forget there are a lot of things to celebrate these days in pop culture and Pepsi can take all of your celebrations to the next level whether your favorite. It's show returns for a new season. Your favorite director releases a new movie. 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