087: New Yorks Shea Stadiums Curious 1975 With Brett Topel
Flashing turns into a total when the Yanks giants jets. That's all-share Shays stadium. The first time for pro sports teams had ever done it. This is one of those interesting scenarios here, we have Shay stadium. And we all remember she stadium kind of being dumped those last few years. But for a while Shea Stadium was not just the center of New York City sports where you can make the argument sports in this country who have four teams playing here. First time ever in US sports history where you have four teams sharing the stadium. And none of them are really that good to be honest with you the Mets were eighty two and seventy th the Yankees were kind of on the upswing at this point. But they only had eighty three wins. They didn't make the play off. The giants were unforgettable the jets weren't that. Good. I think the interesting thing that you one remember about this deal shape. Is that the jets and the Mets called Shea Stadium? Home the Yankees and the giants never belonged there. They were out of place to begin with. And all it did was enhance the sour taste in advance miles because their teams weren't that good anyway and on top of that plane where the jets and the Mets play. The Mets Yankees is the giants and the jets they wave one flag the white flag because they also horrible. They basically rolled over and folded for all of their adversaries that came into Shea Stadium. Maybe the worst decision ever made with all four teams in that stadium because it was amazing album. I think he'll which fan you work. You says a miserable year. Welcome to good seats. Dila vailable a curious little bud cast devoted to exploring. What used to be in professional sports? Here's your host, Tim Hanlin. Hey, gang. How is it going? My name is Tim Hanlin. And you're you're back again. Thanks so much for coming back to our little podcast. We call it. Good seats. Still available are curious little journey each and every week into what used to be in professional sports, and we're going to sort of veer back into the to the John of arenas and stadia in our little journey this week with our our guest, Brent topel, and we're going to be talking about an interesting little anecdote a little asterisk if you will in the history of New York City metropolitan area sports, and we take you back to the the summer. And then later the fall of one thousand nine hundred seventy five and the place as you heard hinted at in our little little intro there from the documentary that aired on sports New York. I said why couple years back? We're going to be talking about Shea Stadium. Stadium in nineteen seventy five a place and a time when not one not two not three but four professional sports franchises in habit. That one building it was an interesting confluence of time and events and yes, the Mets and the jets obviously, the major tenets of Shea Stadium. We're joined by their crosstown rivals the Yankees and the giants during the course of nineteen seventy five and a. Perfect storm of of situation that brought all of those teams together playing in one place that being Shea Stadium not necessarily the most I dunno modern or well, regarded architecturally marvelous stadiums ever built, but in one thousand nine hundred seventy five and an interesting time in New York City history as well not necessarily for the best of reasons. The only game in town literally for all four of these professional franchises was to play at shea. Add we're going to get into that with Brett he was written a book, very interesting little story about this little forgotten the time in New York City sports history, and in a in a building that is certainly loved, but but not necessarily always revered by by people who inhabited it that being shea stay the book is called wins. Shea was home. The story of the nineteenth. Seventy five Mets Yankees giants and jets. And if you're wondering at home, this qualifies as fitting our little genre. Well, yes, sure. Shea Stadium at an exist anymore, and that is far as I'm concerned fits our little forgotten sports genre. So there I think you're going to joy this conversation. I learned a bunch of tidbits I grew up in the New York metropolitan area. I fancied myself as a football and baseball fan of the Mets not as much the jets, but certainly very aware of them and their stories and their headlines during my my childhood, but I will tell you. There are a bunch of things that I learned in this conversation. I thought I knew everything about New York sports, especially from my childhood. And I encourage you to listen to our conversation with Brett to- pal coming up about Shea Stadium circus seventy-five interesting stuff coming your way momentarily. We want to remind you, of course, that one of the best ways aside from rating and reviewing us wherever you find this show and as early. 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Here is our chat just from a couple of weeks ago. This is a fascinating little adventure for me. Not only the pies particular topic. I grew up in the New York metropolitan area myself northern New Jersey in in in fact, had enough of a an exposure to Shay stadium over the over that time it was not immediately close. I mean, New Jersey, right? You know, Yankee Stadium and shea were these sort of journeys that one had to take. But you know, my first football game ever was new New York Jets game against the the New England Patriots back in the day. And the, you know, the, you know, my first baseball game was a Yankee game. But my second one and the second two or three games were met games. You know, so some very interesting and memorable. Events in my sort of Shea Stadium background. But let's get into before we get into the story, which I think is really interesting, and and kind of a really good example of some of the kinds of things we'd like to isolate and sort of delve into on this little show. Give us a little bit of background about you. And how this story of the slice of a shea. Stadium's history came onto your radar and enough to compel you to to commit it to writing. Well, it was an idea that I I came up with in about two thousand twelve going to few years back, and I came across the story and founded fascinating because I mean these days you're not even two teams sharing stadium. Let alone three or four. It seemed like such such a bizarre story. And I figured that people who are young enough didn't know that it ever happened and people that were older might have forgotten that it had happened. So I started doing some research realized there was very little written on it. And you know, it was something that I had always wanted to write something about Shea Stadium to your point. It's the stadium that I grew up going to with my dad, and my mom, and my grandparents, and I I always wanted to write something about shea, and this that combined with the story became what ended up happening for me. So a lot of this story were kind of circling around the year nineteen seventy five in shea stadium's history for those outside. The New York metropolitan area were just living under a rock at that time last night. Literally, we have not dropped the episode yet. We will soon we had a very good conversation about the AFL version of the jets with a guy named Bob letters got a new book out about called beyond Broadway. Joe where he kinda delves into the team of that year and a little bit of a before. And how it got that way? But not from sort of the lens of like, Joe Nemeth being all things and that but recognition that there was a whole team and support staff around him that were arguably neglected and not sort of given as much much in the way of props as that that magical season of sixty eight to sixty nine accommodated in the in the Super Bowl when in that year. But one of the things that sort of came out of that, which I was unaware of was this, and I guess this dates back to the the beginning days of the stadium. Right. And we've talked about the continental league. And then that beginning the New York. Matson getting their refranchising sixty two and the building of shea. It's my understanding. And maybe this is a good place to start is that. You know, the Mets kinda held sway for whatever reason. Whether that was contractually or otherwise around scheduling, right where the jets were for most of the years in that stadium pretty much the second class citizens so to speak having to revolve around the Mets schedule I and I'm wondering if that's an interesting place to start maybe some of the seeds of like how this all came to be in seventy five in particular two teams that already existed in that state in the Mets and the jets. Well, I think you're right. I think it was an interesting dynamic because you know, the stadium was was built, you know, it was going to be built by Robert Moses for for the Brooklyn Dodgers, he was trying to get Walter O'Malley to do anything to not go out west and he wanted to dodgers to play at what became Shea Stadium. And of course, as we know Mallory said, you know, if I'm gonna play in queens. I might as well go to Los Angeles something along those lines. So you know, he wasn't having it. So when. When the as you mentioned that, you know, the whole continental league thing happened. And then Bill shea got this the team to to stay and be a part of the National League in sixty two. You know, when they built that the state Shea Stadium and sixty four it was really the mess stadium. And they were they were the home team. Now, the fact that the jets came along as you mentioned they were in AFL team. So they were not, you know, I think history would treated them a little differently if they were an NFL team at that point. But you know, they were originally the New York titans event, you know, coming into your checks, and you know, to a you're correct. The Mets were always the primary tenants in that building. And the jets were you know, you said to use the term second class citizens, and I think that's that's kind of the way it happened. And you know, I I don't think when the jets left shea, you know, in the early eighties that that you know, that was a big surprise or that anybody really noticed because. You know, other than the fact that, you know, the jets in the metraplate there all those years. It was really always considered the Mets ballpark. Yeah. I mean, I I guess the reason why would want to maybe start. There is only because the before we start layering in other teams that were temporary inhabitants of shea during this year, you know, maybe deserted dig in a little bit. The it's my understanding. I again, I I learned every learn every time I have a conversation on this show, which is partially. Why do it is the the extent to which the jets had to change and move their schedule around to accommodate somewhat open ended now in the case of the Mets schedule most of which tended to end on time. I e no playoffs, but at a couple of years, of course, when the Mets got hot it did make a difference because it meant that the jets. Contractually could not be playing during the time at the Mets were still quote unquote in season. Right. So ironically, you know, you wanna be rooting for your your your co tenant, right is sort of a civic. Booster and and cheerleader for one's own. Co occupants, but in many respects, I could see the jets actually wishing the worst on the Mets. Right. So that they get their dance season going. Yeah. No, absolutely. Absolutely. You're correct. Yeah. It feels to me that that tension was is kind of an interesting starting point to this conversation because you already had two teams that extensively, you know. We're kind of had a bit of friction over the years and for many years as their seasons overlap, sometimes gently and sometimes actually quite substantially. Yeah. I think that, you know, I'm not sure how much and and you know, people who have studied the jets in more depth during the AFL years might have a better answer for this. But I don't know that the friction was you know, as outwardly evident as as it might be in today's culture. I mean, the jet didn't you know, they were playing in the NFL and that was considered a secondary league. So you know, they could not play any home games until the Mets were done with their Susan's as you mentioned. And that never changed. Really? I mean, and it went right up until nineteen seventy five that you know, when both football teams are playing there. And I don't want to jump ahead, but neither neither of them could play into lameta any we're talking. So it really did put a crimp into the jets scheduling into the NFL scheduling over truly the AFL. And then, of course, the NFL scheduling, but yeah, there was there was always that, you know, the Mets had, you know, if you wanna call it, you know, a a nicer locker room, I don't think any of the clubhouses of Shea Stadium or certainly not stays at York. But the jets were relegated to their own. You know, locker room. They didn't get you know, the the Mets facility. So they were always one and one eight if that Akshay well, all right? So with that is sort of a little bit of a background. Let's maybe get more into the nineteen seventy five. But actually, really I think the story even starts a year before right because you now have so let's talk. About nineteen seventy four because that's literally the first year where the Yankees were in need of a playing facility. Maybe you want to get into some of the reasons as to why and the prelude that that set the tone for for for the next year seventy five when it got really crazy. Sure. And and I'll keep people in suspense, but the seeds originally planted actually in nineteen seventy two when the giants announced that they were going to be building facility in New Jersey. But we'll put that on hold for a second. Because you're right to the Yankees had announced that they wanted to do this is major renovation to Yankee Stadium. And and it really was not, you know, a refurbishing if you if you look at really look at what they did a Yankee, you know, a Yankee Stadium during the seventy four and seventy five seasons other than the actual outside facade. They ripped the entire stadium apart and and Bill in essence a new stadium within. So there was no way that the Yankees we're going to be able to play there for at least two seasons and the Mets did not want the Yankees. They are that was no question about that. But, you know, the city of New York owned the stadium and that wasn't really an option for the Mets. They couldn't say, no. So you know, it was it was a a complete that the Yankees would be there for the seventy four seventy five season the men. The Mets, you know. We'll coming off in nineteen seventy four they were just a year removed from being nationally champion and playing in the World Series and losing in the World Series in seven games. So it was not like the Mets irrelevant at the time. Fall from it. They were you know, you know, like, I said just one year removed from the World Series the Yankees hadn't been there in a while. They were building a team by seventy five get better. But in seventy four, you know, the Yankees and Mets and jets all shared, what was the very crowded crowded Shea Stadium. How how did the scheduling between these two teams and seventy four actually work. Right. I guess I'm guessing the Mets because it's their home stadium kinda got scheduled I but I'm just curious as to how major league baseball and and Shay dealt with scheduling two teams. I think probably I guess in the modern era. Probably the first time it's ever happened. Yeah. And it was it was an everyday affair. Right. So there was very few days off, and and keeping in mind that we didn't have to worry about football yet. Because as we said earlier the jets were not going to be allowed to play there until baseball season was over. And that's your point, you know, needed a match or the Yankees at that point where we're really playoff team. So the season was going to be over you know, in in late September baseball season didn't seem to trip over as late as it does now so by Cobra football star, but major league baseball had to go and be very diligent, and I don't know that they gave the Mets priority necessarily. I did do a lot of research into the scheduling of the games, and you know, one of the things one of the key people in in this book is the head groundskeeper for the Mets and chase stadium gentleman by the name of Pete Flynn who passed away a couple of years ago, and you know. The field never got a day off. And at that point. And I guess what? I'm sure we'll talk about the field conditions in the plane conditions. You know, Shea Stadium did not have an underground sprinkler system. It was the infield was hard like a rock the outfield didn't drain. So, you know, by the time stickball season rolled around the field that Shea Stadium was in really bad shape because of that schedule of literally playing every single day. So in essence, there was pretty much baseball just about every day during the spring and summer, right? There was an and even other things going on because you have to remember that Yankee Stadium because it was Yankee Stadium hosted a lot of other things such as the New York City high school baseball championships such as grambling college football played exhibition game there will one big games there every year. So when the Yankees moved over to shape, those two years everything that Yankee. Stadium hosted moved along to Shea Stadium. Those two years. So, you know, my book, obviously deals specifically about nine hundred seventy five so I can I can speak to those some of those specific instances, but both in seventy four and seventy five it what it was more believe it or not than just Yankees and Mets, and you know, the every day schedule, it was all the elephant of the came along with it. So you're mentioning groundskeepers and stuff. So when the Yankees were playing in when the Mets were playing I mean was there was there? I mean was it did the Yankees essentially, and I'm sure there's bleed into seventy five as well. But the have to defer to the the groundskeepers and the and the folks that manage Shea Stadium or were they allowed to import their own folks or maybe inject a bit of their own. I don't know Yankee nece into the proceedings. So from everything I could understand it were two separate grounds. Crews and the anger did have a great head groundskeeper. But Pete Flynn. And he was named head groundskeeper and seventy five with the Mets since sixty two in the polo grounds when he came over as as a young, you know, somebody who knew about, you know, tending a garden and stuff and got a job as a groundskeeper in the polo grounds. So by seventy five he was the head groundskeeper seventy four was you know, he was still on on the corner. When the Yankees did have their own staff and their own grounds crew that came over from Yankee Stadium. But I think they always sort of deferred to the met staff have been that that was their building. And how. Yeah. So that's and so are the let's so that's the baseball thing. So that's kind of the scene set a seventy four as as as a prelude to seventy five. But let's let's back up a little bit. Then get into sort of the football part of the equation because you're mentioning back a few years earlier sort of this announcement that the New York football giants were. Looking to find or build their own new stadium on their own. So maybe a little bit of background on their somewhat peripatetic journey the years prior to nineteen seventy five in the lead up to what eventually became giant stadium. Sure. So you mentioned about scheduling and the Yankees, I'm sorry. The giants always felt that they were being treated as second class citizens to the Yankee. So the giants wanted no part of staying at Yankee Stadium and leftover could it be given, you know, quote, unquote, you know, equal billing, and that was really never going to happen. I mean, it was Yankee Stadium after all. So in nineteen seventy two Wellington Mara. The owner of the giants announced that he was gonna move his team to New Jersey to this. You know, great big facility which was going to be set in East Rutherford, New jersey on what ended up being called the Meadowlands, but then would take several years to to build and because it was going to be big. Structure, and they would have to build it on top of who's gonna take a lot of time. So that they would play out their their time at Yankee Stadium, and the mayor of New York City at the time was was was made a wacko. And he wanted no part of it. He was basically furious at the New York football giants were leaving New York and New York City, and he basically said see ya get out and more or less evicted the giants from Yankee Stadium. So they had no place to play and ended up in nineteen seventy three and nineteen seventy four playing up at at the Yale bowl in Connecticut on you know, in a college football facility, which seems unbelievable today today to think the giants are playing at the elbow. Today's New York Times probably wouldn't sell out the elbow. But that notwithstanding I had a very bad time up in in Connecticut. They were away from their families. They had no fans up there. They won. I think tooth. Three games the entire three year period, and and really needed to have another option. And then, you know, I don't I don't want to to to jump ahead. But I guess we're at the point now where you know, there was a new new mayor in New York City, the mayor become Abraham team who was friends with Wellington Mara. And he said listening. There's one more year before you got to go to New Jersey. Why don't you come back and play a season at Shea Stadium? And in the past Marah had had stopped at the idea of playing may didn't want any part of it. But it was kind of an olive branch by by mayor, beame and marriage took it and alas four teams stadium. So the Mets had to be apoplectic at all this right because they didn't own the stadium. Right. This is really that of of of of the New York City government right that pretty much. So it's like your specs their hands were tied. You know, not only with the Yankees situation for two years. But then adding to foot adding another football team on top of already probably an overlap situation between their their co-inhabitants the jets. I mean, I is the Mets management like just just nuts over all this stuff. Or are. They kind of like, well, I can't imagine. They would just take this sort of sitting down. They were nuts over all of it. They were absolutely furious. They they wanted no point at they. They didn't want the Yankee there. They I'm sure quite frankly, bad that way, they didn't even want the jets there when the giants became a legitimate option and was gonna go from two to three to now fourteen at their stadium. And remember as we said way back, you know. They always consider this their stadium. It wasn't just that it was their stadium. They considered it their stadium. This is a baseball stadium that was built basically to retrofit to football. And you know, it was one of the first stadium to have, you know, low level seats that were on tracks that could kinda prevent the changes seating configuration for football. But this is a baseball stadium. And and it was built as a giant horseshoe was not built for football. So they didn't the Mets didn't want anybody else as tenants. And that's you know, how they kind of you'd it. They kinda thought of everybody else's these tenants that were squatting in their in their stadium, and you know, by seventy five I think they threw their hands up. They knew they had no control over it. They knew that after seventy five the giants and the Yankees relieving. And so they had to get through the one season. And you know, I I'm not gonna say they they grin and bear it they do they do they give it any kind of compensation recompense or some other concessions either by the city or buy into leagues. For for you know, triple or triple hosting if you will these other teams. Yeah, I I didn't find any of that. And I think part of it is the Mets really had no say you mentioned, you know, a few minutes ago. The Mets had no say in any of didn't own the stadium. They didn't own the land that the stadium is on. And you know, in nineteen seventy five sports was very different. I mean, the teams that are building the, you know, multi-billion dollar stadiums and own their own stadiums. These days, you know, that didn't exist in nineteen seventy five. This was this was owned by New York City, and and and New York City in nineteen seventy five wasn't even close to the kind of place. New York City is today was a very downtrodden dilapidated city, and which was in huge financial issues. So there was no, you know, no one wants to build a new stadium for one of these teams. You know, Yankee Stadium. We're going to be finished after the seventy five, and as I said, they were hoping and and really wishing and keeping fingers crossed at the middle to be ready for the seventy six football season, which it was and you know. Going back to normal. I mean after having four teams, I think the Mets were were fine with having them in the jets because you know, that's that's dealt. Like, they were they were all alone. Again, if I remember correctly, and this is Easter hazy childhood memory, so I but if the shea stadiums. Setup was. How can I best put it not sort of necessarily the easiest to transform from one sport to another right? Because there was the way it was sort of constructed, and you're mentioning or hinting at a subtracts, I guess for. Stands that sort of would come in and out depending on whether it was a baseball or football configuration. How difficult were straightforward was. Or is was that sorry. The the transformation process for changing from one sport to another not that that was common right because of the overlap situation, but I got to think it had to enter into some kind of thinking in terms of like how quickly or not events could be turned around in time for either another tenant or hell. I would imagine there's some other things beyond these four teams like a concert of two once in a while. Yes. Absolutely. And seventy five there wasn't as much extra things on the agenda. Other than those Yankee things I had mentioned I mean in in you know, years in subsequent years there was everything to chase him. The pope was there in the late seventies. They even had had wrestling there. They had obviously concerts there. They even had. And this is one of my favorites that I mentioned in the book. Even have the icecapades there once so I'm not even sure how that worked, but they did have the icecapades outside of chase stadium. And to your point, you know, they did not have to transform it back and forth that often because once it was football football for the for the most part, they did have tracks that the, you know, the field level seats at Shea Stadium kind of curve out to line. What would be the sidelines of a football field. But it was it was still not a good place to watch a football game. Because you know, if you if you know, what stadium looks like if you could picture it in your mind, and it was a giant horseshoe with an open, you know, from from the foul line to the foul line. You know baseball field. It was open in the outfield. You know, other than a scoreboard, and you know, some bleachers out there. So. Because of that the wind was just brutal for football. And the colder months is the winter months. Shea Stadium with the wind coming off the water stadium was built right on the edge of flushing bay. So you know, and the field conditions were just absolutely hard horrid football. There was no grass left for the most part and seventy five by the time the jets and giant kicked off the season. And it was like a rock, and it was dusty and it was rained. It was swamp. He, and, you know, I'm not sure transforming the stadium back and forth was was even as much of an issue as the fact that it just wasn't a great place to watch football game. All right. All right. 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Shall we say to hopefully when a couple of of good solid bets on your your first, go round with my bookie? My bookie dot h g we thank them for their sponsorship of our show. And now back to our conversation. There any times during say the baseball season, obviously football a little bit more regularly scheduled on a weekly basis. Was there any time during the during the playing of the nineteenth set? Well, seventy four season for that matter too. I'm wondering what conflicts there might have been right? So rain outs. And, you know, making up games and the double header kind of thing. And I'm just wondering if there were ever anytime during those two seasons that the and the Mets had to step on each other's toes and and adjust their schedule. I I got imagine. There was a bit of creativity that had to occur during those two seasons. Yeah. Absolutely. And you know, I went into the when I when I went into the research process for this book very early on. I was absolutely fully expecting to hear from former players that it was a pain in the neck, and it was a real pain to have the Mets day or the Anki there or vice versa. And you know, nobody really had those stories. You know, I spoke to Ed crane poll who is you know on a Mexican the sixty two season. So by the time seventy five rolled around. He was a veteran, and he got you know, they hardly packed tonight. You know, they they. The schedules were made. And you know, they follow the schedules and the days that they would practice at the Priscilla the same day, you know, on like football baseball doesn't have. So didn't have and still really doesn't have separate training facilities other than spring training. But you know, during the season they all just practice and take BP and fielding practice at the stadium. And there were days where the Yankees would come in. If they were off that day and have batting practice the the day before a Mets home game that night. So that there would be you know, double double things scheduled double dipping if you will. And you know, it would you know, the some of the players joked that they were expecting to see Joe name. It's come in and throw some balls later in the afternoon as well just to to get warmed up as well. But you know, I as I said, I think the jets kinda kept a difference in the distance. And the jets did have a training facility that they they could play at so. Yeah, I think I don't think that there was I know. Oh, there was never a time with Yankee the metraplate a regular season games in seventy four seventy five on the same day in the same stadium. That didn't happen that would have been kind of a cool postscript if the Mets game and the Yankees had a Nike that that did not happen. But they did practice that would be a day. It would be times with the Yankees practice on the field. And then the other team would play that night. Ironically that did happen right in some time in the eighty s are the nineties, right? Wasn't there? A case where. I guess the Yankees, I think it was one thousand nine hundred eighty eight right? Where the Yankees were. They had to play a game at shea because there was a I guess a collapsed beam or something from the the Yankee Stadium that day, and I think. The Mets had a game in the evening. So I think that was actually the only time that that ever happened. Ironically, not during the two seasons where they were sharing the same facility. That he's actually a funny story from that as well. Our score gray who is a longtime met with actually on the Yankees at that time and in that game against at Shea Stadium. He he slammed a home run and the Mets have this home on apple that always goes up every time they hit a home run and someone hit the button to send the Mets home run apple up after Dow strawberry of the Yankees had hit the home run say that believe it got about halfway up to someone realized that was probably a bad idea. And they they hit the button and it went back down. And for those of you scoring and home that was on the April fifteenth nineteen ninety eighth at that. Interesting. Asterisk in baseball history happened at shea. Let me ask you this. Did you what how did the fans? I mean, what was the what was the reaction? I guess at the press and the fans to this sort of factory, I guess of nineteen ninety-five at one place. I wonder if it was fun and interesting or boring monotonous or a pain a. Challenge. I'm just curious. It's a how you know where people kind of grinning and burying it. So to speak like, this is just a temporary thing. And let's just have fun with it. What was the sort of reaction to all share all the time that year? Well, yeah. And you know, and and the attendance will both teams was very low because the teams were not good. They did not draw. Well, but it would be interesting thing about fans along the way of writing this book. And as I, you know, I I'm sure you're like there's too when you when you're doing research or a podcast or afford anything you're doing, you know, you talk to people, and you tell them what you're doing and you get feedback. And you know, people would tell me, you know, it's funny. You you say talk about Shea Stadium, and I remember going with a Yankee game actually stadium. And I could never reconcile that. So the fans had that had been there. Fans began key games that had been there and seventy five almost had the fact that it happened a race on that memory other than they remember seeing the Anki the next in a strange environment. I don't think you know, the fans much like the players never kind of interested intersected, the the fans certainly didn't. I one of the people I interviewed for the book is is how he rose was the Mets radio announcer and really one of the foremost authorities if not before most of thority of of history, and and he said he had a good line. He said he was very unhappy. As a young boy world, I think he was in his twenties at watching the Yankees play actually dating me. He was dead. It was kind of like eating pork chop at at a bar mitzvah. We've rose. That's funny. But also it also. I do I have this correct as well that in seventy four maybe even seventy five there was even an attempt or at least a question or the inquiry by the fledgling New York stars of the world football league to play at Shea Stadium as well. Did that come up in near any of your research that actually did not come up? But that would not surprise me because you have to remember. There was no other place to play in this area. There really wasn't. There was no, you know, there's no big time college football team that would it be able to share a stadium with them Shea Stadium. Was it it was it was really at that point, the only state even in New York City metropolitan area that would, you know, unless you went as far as, you know, new New Haven, Connecticut way, Yale was, but I mean, you know, the NFL team failed there. I don't think that the system ones would have done well there, and so the weren't a lot of options that that happened did not happen to come off in my research in my book. But that does not surprise me at all. Yeah. And and having grown up as a cosmos fan to that's there also played into that too. That's where Randall's island downing stadium, and Randall's island, the the less than I would even say high school quality Sadie, interestingly located. You know under the triborough bridge there looks. Looks. A pain in the butt to get to 'em. Once you get there. You kind of wish you weren't there. But you know, when it came in seventy five, right? That was you know, I'm pretty sure, and I don't I I think I've asked a few of our cosmos cosmos related guests over the over the many months that I'm sure that inquiries were made about Shay's availability in seventy four and seventy five when they were both at downing stadium. I'm sure that's exactly what happened to the stars as well. But again, if you bring up a very interesting point, I mean, this is like the middle of the nineteen seventies. Arguably, you know, some level of modern mardi, and, you know, a culture in New York City, you know, being some of the, you know, the the biggest city in the country in obviously the world stage in here you are. Right. It only has really one major facility operational right ones down for the cow for two years. There is no giant stadium. There is no Barclay center. There is no, you know, there's no there's no extra capacity anywhere. And it's. It's just hard to believe that you wonder what would have happened at something and happened to Shay during that season. Absolutely. And you know, what it's a little side note about downing stadium on Randall's island. It's funny. I I was speaking to to gentleman by name of Roby young who played for the cosmos right after Palay the right before right after pay like and he said that the field conditions at downing stadium. Was so bad that they literally spray painted the field. Green. Look like a soccer field because there was no grass there at all. And a lot of spots. And he said that that that that's what they would dealing with. He said it was it was bumpy and rocky, and it was it was a terrible place to play. And you think that hit comes pay like the greatest player to have it live play on the and he's still conditions. There's a famous story his his inaugural game in the summer of seventy five which was a hastily arranged exhibition. He he was playing and then after the first half he came into the locker room, and he essentially made motions that he wanted to to quit the team because his. Legs had been all green blotchy, you know. And he thought he had gotten some kind of fungus, and they had to tell him that it was green paint. And that's right. That's right. I think he laughed it off but not a happy situation. But but it does speak to and you wonder by the WFL, right? Had a lot of other issues and problems. But you wonder you know, if the stars, you know, who had to relocate the Charlotte midway in the season. That's how comical league was you wonder if they'd had some stability with a major league facility in a show or Yankee Stadium for that matter. They could have even made it, but not not not to be the case. Right. I guess the one thing that's interesting to me about the nineteen seventy-five adventure where you had all four of these teams playing at shea. And again, this is based on my knowledge, and you probably have a deeper understanding of of the nuances here. It does not seem to me that any of these four franchises Yankees. Mets jets or giants had anything resembling a member. Season. In a matter of fact, in some cases. Some worth forgetting. Absolutely. They were all for lack of a better word. They're all terrible. You know, the Mets will only two years removed from a World Series berth and nothing resembling a championship team. They had Tom Seaver who had a great year that year one award. They had a couple of good hitters rusty Staub who we lost this past year. But the first met to ever drive in one hundred runs in a season. He did that year. But the Mets were you know, in the in the early stages of what was going to be terrible terrible town with spiral through the mid and late nineteen seventies into the early nineteen eighties. The Yankees were good either. They had a manager of Bill Verdon who is the answer to a trivia question. He's the only manager in Yankees history to have never won a game at Yankee Stadium 'cause he managed for nineteen seventy four and half of nineteen seventy five until. Oh, he was fired midway through the season and replaced by Billy Martin in Morton's first tenure with the Yankees. However, the Yankees had signed catfish before that season. So they were going to be on the upswing by seventy six. They were, you know, American champions by seventy seven seventy eight they will world champion. So they christened Mander stadium quite well. But in seventy five they were not good at all. And you know, they have some young players like Elliott Maddox was a a young St. nom. They had they had just traded Bobby Mercer because Bobby Mercer couldn't hit home runs in nineteen seventy four chase stadium because the the the right field at chase dating was so much further than the right field porch. I think he had two home runs all in all of the home games in seventy four. So they traded him and got Bobby bonds and things were bad for the Yankees and the giants and the jets if it's possible were worse than the Angie's in the met the jets and the giants were just you know, name. It was a shell of what name it once was. Although he didn't have a terrible season seventy five, you know, he played to the entire season which was on Nemeth like for many of his years, and it's during his career, and that, you know, as I mentioned about the giants say, we're just they won five games during the season and were had one I chase stadium and the other I across the river at what would end up being giant stadium the following year? So no, I as I mentioned in the very first paragraph of the book that nineteen seventy five certainly was not one of the most successful seasons of from New York sports. But it was certainly one of the oddest. I'm curious on the baseball side, did the we talked about sort of the grounds keeping thing. But I mean did the Yankees. I mean, how much I mean, you mentioned Hinton it maybe some of the players, but what do they have to do the Yankees in in terms of adjustments? Right. Because obviously, the dimensions are different and their staffing is. Built for at least a half a season. That's. In a Yankee Stadium. That's a bit more cavernous than a little bit more. Maybe intimidating them in. They sort of the more cookie cutter sort of version of sha-. I mean, we're there adjustments made that you could discern that the Yankees specifically made to accommodate or for the differences in a Shea Stadium versus a Yankee Stadium. Well, the the one the one big one, which I just mentioned was was trading. You know, the beloved Bobby Mercer because Mercer just was very frustrated. He couldn't hit on board and a guy like Bobby bonds who had speed to patrol, you know, a finessed out. The stadium's outfield was huge. They had a speedy rightfielder by the name of Elliott Maddox. He was this young fiend on. And you know, unfortunately for Elliott Maddox the because the field did not drain well at at Shea Stadium. He was playing in a swampy right-field tore up his knee and was never the same. In fact, years and years later. When he actually ironically ended up playing for the Mets in the early eighties. He walked out to right field. And he told report he was going out there to see if you could find to be so, and it it he actually sued the city suit, Billy more at least there's the Yankees or the Mets Elliott Maddox and a bad situation. So any judgments, but that's the Yankees made for Shea Stadium. Certainly did not work out. Well for Elliott Matic's, you know, other than that. I think that you know, there was not much that could be done because they did bring in as I mentioned Jim catfish hunter was the premier pitcher in that day, and you know, shape, did and it was a good pitchers park. You know, it's it's it's one of the reasons that guys like, you know, in the sixties and seventies guys like, Tom and Jerry Kouzmin Matlock had such great success because often if the balls went up, you know, between left center and right center, shake they weren't going out of the park. And you know, I think that that hurt the Yankees and seventy four and I think they did make some adjustments and seventy five to try to alleviate that. But again. I didn't wanna make too many. You know roster moves that they couldn't undo because insanity. Six going back to that, you know, short right field porch and also on the football side. Right. It also seems to me to that. You know adjustments had to be made. I'm not sure it's as as as dramatic or as pronounce say on the baseball side because there are nuances to baseball every park has different right? We're football is, you know, in a standard grid and the great is a grid. Right. I mean, maybe there are adjustments from the circular winds of shave versus say what a Yale bowl data didn't have. But it did seem to me that you they had the each team had to kind of not only account for sort of that overlap of the of the baseball season those first couple of weeks, but it seemed to me they had to kind of jam in a lot of home games near sort of the tail end of the schedule at I if I'm not mistaken, it looks like that the the giants and the jets had to play back to back games on a couple of weekends, which by the way could not have been great for the turf, but. You know? I'm sure it. I do I have this right? The giants had to play two of their weekend games near the end of the season on a Saturday while the jets had to play that Sunday. And I think the giants because of that lost out on being televised. And some of the other goodies that come along with a regular schedule game. Yes. Your personal. You're absolutely right. That there was Saturday games, which was unusual to for the in the first place. And you know, you mentioned, you know, adjustment that had to be made. And and you're right football is is a much more, you know, grid like sport. And you gotta you know, you run from from goal line to goal line. But but but so many challenges that the football players had with a one of the gentlemen, I got to speak to Richard caster. Who was a all pro tight end for the jets that year. And you know, he said, you know, name would be under center, and, you know, kicking his legs up and literally giant sunk of whatever was left in the tourist would come up and. You know, it was that was actually part of the the game plan. It's not not game plan so much as it was part of the to deal with was turf coming up flying out give it the field was so bad. Now, again, I don't think it costs the jets and giants any games. I don't think there would a windows teams that they lost. Anyway. But the field was such horrendous shape by football that you know, although I didn't speak to anybody. Who said it's you know, straight out. I assume that you know, plays playcalling had to be affected by the field because the field was really in not in bad shape. It was almost impassable shape. I don't think in today's game. They would allow a feel to go, you know, an NFL team to play on the field that they ended up playing on you know, the second half of that football season. All right. So in your investigation as we start around third base here any particular things of wacky nece or added. Teas that sort of occurred. I last night, I think I stumbled onto one of them which was this. This New York Yankees twenty one gun salute with the army does that ring a bell? Indeed. So the Yankees were were it was I believe there were celebrating the the either one hundred hundred three of the it was an anniversary of the armed forces. And they had a great idea to do a twenty one gun salute toward centerfield from centerfield towards the center field fence and the the force of the blast. Even though they were blanks was so powerful that it literally blew the NFL's thanks down completely down. And I spoke to Marty appel who of course is written. So many great Yankee books, including you know, the the Thurman Munson biography and pinstripe empire, and and so many others. And he said he just remembers having there was a young PR man by the name of Barry Landers, you had come up with the idea. And he was standing on the field that happened. He remembered looking at well, I'm sorry. That was a PR director. I guess Barry Landers was in charge of this this event. And you just remember seeing Barry's face as the centerfield fence was literally blown down. So what happened? I mean, do they play the game or do they have to delay the game? Or did they they they did hit? They delayed it. They I guess they prompt offense up as best. They could I did not want to cancel the game. And I by all accounts, they play the game. But it was it was a very embarrassing moment for the Yankees. And and also, you know, everybody in power Shea Stadium. This shit wasn't a in making seventy five she just didn't. And was only eleven years old. But it was. Jeep Shea Stadium. Did not age well at all it became an old stadium ferry quickly. Which is which is ironic because it had a lot of you know, my daddy that that other stadiums in have it was the first date in with an electronic scoreboard. It was the first day idiom in a lot of you know, these bells and whistles at other stadiums didn't have at the time, of course, by today's standards it's laughable, but she's that old very fast. So this this instance, was certainly a, you know, an embarrassment to to the Enke's, and and to the Shea Stadium in general, the people who were there, and you know, the the Mets. You know, one of the things that the the Mets had was. They had old-timers day with, you know, Casey Stangl in Joan Payson riding around on a little chariot, and it wasn't necessarily an embarrassing moment. But it was just a of you. Gotta wonder what's going on here. You know, it it it wasn't necessarily, you know, a major league product that they were putting on the field before or after games. But yeah, there was a lotta strange things that went on at seventy five, and you know, the the blowing down of the fence was probably one of the highlights or lowlights. And I think for a New York Giants fans there. This is a little sort of a mogul or were stub I guess of of history as well as this. I guess long lost logo. I think it only happened for the one year is sort of the stylized NY sort of like a modern sort of capital and capital Y logo that I don't think they ever revisited or brought back. It was almost you know, I guess a one and done season kind of thing it's been much maligned, but we'll have a picture of it. We'll put it up there on our on our website and stuff, but I guess it was originally designed to be somewhat neutral knowing that they were already playing a bunch of games in in Connecticut. They were a now a season at Shea Stadium, which was not their home either. And then obviously gonna wind up in the in the wilds of nirvana in New Jersey. But it's. Interesting this this new sort of and I think it's a pretty cool logo the sort of. It's like a kind of like a looks like kind of a neon NY sort of on the on the blue on the blue helmet really didn't make it pass this season. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. You don't want to have. And I don't know if you didn't make sense almost had a disco feel to it. You know, it had it had like a like a retro before there was retro. And I'm not sure why they decided to change the logo that year. I think that part of it was they knew they would have to change the logo the following year because they were not going to be able to play in New Jersey and having NY on their helmet. And of course, they they ended up switching to the helmets for so many years. It said giants on either side, you know, in the last last several years they've won they've gone back to the m y despite still playing jersey, but no one seems to really care notice that I guess I assume the people in New Jersey do but the people in New York, we're okay with it. But yeah, it was and the thing. That made it interesting is that, you know, when we when we were preparing to, you know, the lay out of the book, I, you know, I was in the, you know, involved with the photos for the bulk at me had, you know, Mets Yankees jets. And of course, the giants, and you know, it was both good and bad because you don't only so many photos to choose from. Because you need we needed to have one, you know, photos with that specific and logo, and you know, those that team as I said quarterback Craig Morton was not a team that a lot of photos so hyped from that year. So we did we did have a couple of them. We made it work. But yeah, it was a little known fact and it was one season, and it was very strange NY. All right. So maybe last question is what what is your I suspect that you become not only in the office, but also just on the internet and elsewhere sort of this defacto expert about nineteen seventy five and Shea Stadium. And. All the things that were part of that. I bet you be discover stuff that people sort of share with you. What of memorabilia was there anything that any of these teams did to to outwardly commemorate aside from sort of, you know, the the annual yearbook and that kind of stuff, obviously if you're a giants fan that New York logo that one year logo is obviously a a remembrance of that and perhaps hard to find kind of thing. I'm just wondering if the Yankees. Had any sort of commemoration of things or are there any special souvenirs or or memorabilia may be out there that either people relish and cherish? Or maybe wonder if they're maybe pieces of that are still out there. You know in your in your search and your travels. Here's a great question. It really is. And I think that what's interesting is that both teams it seems have tried to pretend that nineteen seventy four nine hundred seventy five never happened. Because when Shea Stadium was closing, you know, they listed all of the things that you know, they had all these still don't montage video montage has all these great things that happened to Shea Stadium over the years. And there was really no mention of the Antes playing there at all. So the mic certainly have kind of buried deep deep deep in whatever, you know, historical archives. They have not a lot of memorabilia out there. The one the couple of things that I thought were were kind of cool, you know, in research along the way and one of which I have a photo of in the book is they did have a big billboard in flushing queens, which say which had a Yankee logo. And it's, you know, you know, hey Yankee. Fans. Welcome to queens. So that billboard. I'm sure it was thrown away somewhere with destroyed soon after the seventy five seen, and that would be a very cool item to have. There's not a lot of things last that really could have, you know, survived because after really was nothing that made the Yankees feel like it was their stadium. You know, they didn't they didn't really the the one thing. The Mets had was a incentive field which was before its time. They used to be able to show slides of players faces above the big giant scoreboard in later years. It became a clock. And it was it didn't do it anymore. I guess once you know, things like the video boards came into into play. So they did take the Mets logo off of that. And put a Yankee logo up on the days that the Yankees were playing. But yeah, not a lot is has survived. And it's a shame because although it certainly wasn't a, you know, golden age for for either team or for the. Stadium itself. It would have been nice to have some things the things that remain, and you could still get on EBay, or you know, ticket stubs. I actually one of the things I did was when I when I was writing the book actually wear on EBay and bought a couple of ticket stubs just though I had them. You know, it's you know, Yankees versus Indians Shea Stadium on Tuesday night in April whenever it was. Because I think that that is something that's that's kind of cool. And so those things remain the score books are still around a couple of Middle East. And you know, we're talking about nineteen seventy five being why, you know, forty three years ago with this point so less than less survives. But there are things out there. And and you know, it's people people have interested in it can certainly get their hands on it. And hopefully, I've told the enough stories misspoke to to bring back some of the memories. No, it's interesting. And and again, these are, you know, up so we do like to tackle, you know, a. Places in palaces that used to host not only teams in leagues no longer with us. But you know, teams that are still with us. And you know, and Shay, obviously has a lot of history for lots of different reasons on the field. But this is an interesting little side bar to you know. I would it's it's it's hard. I'll stop short of calling Shaha of venerable stadium. It was it was. Utilitarian chore? It was convenient to a certain extent. Sure, it was modern for its time. Yes. It was purpose for sure. I you know, architecturally had a couple of interesting new innovations right at the time. But you know, I I don't know many people that sort of look back. I guess fondness is probably not the first word that comes in. It might make the top five and people's memories. Right. Because perhaps they saw the the Beatles, you know, in their first concert or they went to their first matter jet game, or you know, they may know winning the they remember the Super Bowl season, or they remember, you know, the two world championships of the Mets in were you know, where the. The playoff runs that just came short. But I don't know. I I don't know many people sort of lovingly. Remember it? You know as as a structure, but the memories within though, certainly a different story. Absolutely. And I think, you know, Mets fans of a certain age, you remember, you know, as time goes on less and less people will have remembered being chased AM depending on on your age. But there was a feeling of misspell Java still for Shea Stadium. I mean, they one of the things they did when they built city field where they actually have last home plate, the pitcher's mound and all four basis and not the actual basis, but they've mocked those things off and and they remain in the parking lot of city field. So I actually every time I go to a met game. If not every time, but almost every time, I I always swing by shea. And and remember, and I'm always amazed at how close it was to city field because city field actually sprouted up over the last couple of years if Shea Stadium, and it's really remarkable when you realize it's out of context if there's no stadium around it. But how close to home plate was to wear city field is now doesn't seem like it. It's that far. But yeah, I think people look back on it. I think you're right. I think fund is is is maybe a strong word, and I don't know that fond of the strong word in general. But I think that the the feeling of Mets fans towards the end of shea days or yeah, it's a dump, but it's our dump. And I think you know, because of and you mentioned this because of some of the things that happened in the mid eighties and the team was so good. And, you know, of course, in the championship and eighty six, and you know thing is for Mets fans. There hasn't been another championship. So, you know, the Mets have never won any place other than Shea Stadium. Certainly they made it to the World Series in two thousand fifteen loss to Kansas City. But and I think that's even kind of made city feel feel more like a true met stadium. But the fact is the Mets have never won a championship anywhere but Shea Stadium, and until they do Shea Stadium will always have this place. Even when they do. Aced anymore. Always have this place. It wasn't a great place to go. Watch a game. It wasn't a lot of options to eat at Shea Stadium. And God forbid you had to go to the bathroom. But the fact was that was the stadium that many people grew up in and that's the stadium that many people had seen. They're based. You know, the first in baseball games in when they were younger and remember by nineteen seventy six Yankee Stadium was essence a brand new stadium. So Shea Stadium was the senior stadium in the city and not necessarily all good reasons. But it would just that was just the fact it was so it's gone. It is it is remembered today, and I think hold certainly a place in New York baseball and football history. All right. So give us some promotional goodness. Tell us about the book where he can find it. Oh, and you know, what before we even do that one? I guess one sort of last question do what if anybody in this book recently came out to diss anybody in any of the four franchises has there been any? I don't know warm memories. And come on our podcast or talk about this with us or has it been to your point earlier kind of something? We'd rather forget, thanks. Thanks for calling from from the French on themselves. Yeah. So I I did go on when the book first came out. I was on the Mets have a on on the well, they've just recently changed where you have that works on the radio they were on when the book came out. They did the the people who do the wasn't quite official pre-game show. But it was a show that aired on the Mets networks they did. They did have me come on and talk about it. But no, I don't think that jets and the giants are totally washed their hands of anything. That's never happened at Shea Stadium. As far as I know and the Mets and Yankees have not have not reached out. I haven't very kind things from some of the people. I spoke to who were around at that time. In other words, Marty appel who I interviewed for the book who was the PR director in nineteen seventy five had very very nice thing. Say about the book, and was really thought I did, you know, it said to me, I did a really good job capturing that time period said to me that meant a lot because somebody like him who, you know, was from the, you know, quote unquote alien team that was playing he was the PR director. He's a renowned award-winning author himself. So that meant a lot to me got somebody like Marty appel speak. So so highly of my book, and yeah, I mean, I think I think the franchises have kind of forgotten. There's not too many places you if you walk through the Mets and Yankees hall of fame, you're not gonna see our the jets and giants for that matter. You're not gonna see a lot of references tonight. Seventy five other than the fact that, you know, even when the start young rusty stopped over one hundred runs Catholic under you know, you debuted for the Yankees. But yeah, for the most part the franchises keep that complements him. So why think it's great? Well, I think this is this is this is really interesting stuff. And you know, like, you say people get older, and they sort of forget all these other things, but these are not only. Trivia questions, but this part of their histories, right? And you know, some of it frankly, speaks to you know, that the lack of stadia in New York City metropolitan area at the time and arguably even today the jets still ironically now are sub tenants in the in the new MetLife stadium right and were in Giants Stadium for some time as well. And you know, the beginnings of that sort of shared relationship either by convenience or otherwise. You know and the jets I'm sure the long-suffering jets fans, you know, would not like to be reminded of how all that kind of got started. You know and kind of lost four. There was a time, you know, ten fifteen years ago when it was actually an opportunity for new stadium and all of that have that played out. But you know, the jets have always been sort of this number two team in the same building wherever the giants. Are you know, really since this time? So it's fascinating. So give me give us give us a little bit stuff about the book. Are you going to be promoting it at all where people can find it? And all that kind of stuff how they get touch with you. Can they follow on social media? Give us all that. Yeah. Absolutely. I promoted as as much as I can whenever I can when anybody has I've actually had another book come out since this book came out. So I wrote that as well what medical moments in New York Mets history all of my books. Four of them are available on Amazon and Barnes and noble dot com. And all those those easy places to get books. They make good Christmas in any kind of holiday gifts and Hannukah gifts, and whatever and birthday gifts. If you have met fan now, this is the thing about this book, that's kind of cool. Is that? Although none of the four teams really were great that year. It does really the story is about all of them the franchise, but it's also about New York City during hundred seventy five, and what was going on in the city in politics and pop culture. So, you know, I don't think of it necessarily as a Mets book. So any of the four no matter who somebody roots for or whether you're not even a fan of the teams, it's kind of an interesting little oddity and footnote in New York sports history. So yeah, it's available and all the over website. And I do have a website as well called Topol, metric dot com. Well, now, you cannot say that we do not go deep way deep into the nooks and crannies of forgotten sports history on this show. And if you're not taking advantage of this using this to impress your friends at various social functions. Well, shame on you. I mean, we go we bend over backwards each and every week to to give you the arsenal that you need to look and feel intelligence about all things sports, and especially those that are forgotten variety for whatever reasons and this week, hopefully, no exception. And we appreciate your listening. And I I learn stuff I grew up in the area and the York City metropolitan area, I know half of this stuff. And you know, I'm I'm ever fascinated by all and nineteen seventy five in New York City interesting and memorable for a number of reasons in you're a sports fan. Well, there you go. Shea Stadium for various reasons, not necessarily the quality of the teams on the field for sure you can find this fun book is a quick and an enjoyable read. It's called wind Shay was home. The story of the nineteen seventy five Mets Yankees giants and jets Brent Topalli is the author in his published by sports publishing. You can find a link to it as well as all kinds of interesting stuff related to this episode episode number eighty seven I believe it is on our website at good seats still available dot com. Make sure you go there early and often you want an old episode from the show by all means you'll find them there. You want to find an easy link to order the book this one in particular or any of the others or any of the other media or items that we discuss or talk about you will find that as well on our site. And it's also the place to find all of our social media feeds if you want to. Follow us on Twitter where good seats still you'll find us on Instagram. 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