S10 EP58: Hour 1
Hello and welcome it. Is eric erickson here. The full number if you'd like to be a part of the program is eight. Seven seven nine seven eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five glad to have you with me this morning by the way and i wanna i if i can deviate a bit from the street headlines if you will. I'm sorry i'm trying to i. I forgot to push some buttons and flips switches as we as we launched the programs were and texting a friend of mine. All right now. I can focus. I wanna read you three different pieces and just bear with me in these. There are some new stories out. I guess you could say columns opinion pieces. That are there in the background conversation. If you will. And i want to bring them for the you know what happens. Oftentimes is the opinion leaders if you will and washington new york and the conservative movement the the editorialist. They're talking about things behind the scenes. And they're not really telling you what's going on. But the their responses to those things are shaping the way they then talk about the conversation. And i just think it in the interests of candor and fairness disclosure. I should bring you buying the curtain and let you listen to some of these And it starts with this piece by glenn elmer's at the american mind. The claremont institute and the headline is conservatism. Is no longer enough. It shows muscular guy wrapping his hands as if he's about to get into a boxing match. Here's limit let me just read you parts of this. Let's be blunt many of you by the way many of you are going to agree with this. Let's be blunt. The united states has become two nations occupying the same country when pressed or in private many would now agree fewer are willing to take the next step and accept that most people living in the united states today certainly more than half are not americans in any meaningful sense of the term. I don't just mean the millions of illegal immigrants obviously those foreigners who have bypass the regular process for entering our country and probably will never assimilate to our language and culture are politically as well as legally aliens. I'm really referring to the mini native born people. Some of whose families have been here since the mayflower who may technically be citizens of the united states but are no longer if they ever were americans. They do not believe in live by or even like the principles traditions and ideals that until recently defined america's nation as a people. It is not obvious what we should call these citizens. Aliens these non-american americans but they are something else. What about those who do consider themselves americans. By and large i referred to the seventy five million people who voted in the last election against the senile figurehead of a party that stands for mob violence rootless censorship and racial grievances not to mention bureaucratic despotism regardless of trump's obvious flaws preferring. His reelection was not a difficult choice. For these voters. In fact leaving aside the republican never trumpers and some squeamish centrists. It was not a difficult choice for either side. Both right and left know where they stand. Today it is not together not anymore. Those who wanted to make america great again. They referred to themselves as republicans though many realize that apart from trump the party does not really care about them. Mini may also some loose ways consider themselves conservatives but among those plumbers insurance salesman jim owners and factory workers. There's one question you can pretty much guarantee. They never discussed with their family. For what kind of conservative are you. This question is virtually no bearing on the problems that overshadow their lives. It is still a question however that occupies intellectuals journalists in the world of tanks and this matters unfortunately because however sensible down earth the voters may be an effective political movement needs intellectual leadership to organize explain the movements purposes and goals. This leadership is still divided into the name. A few neo-con piliokahi not to be confused with paleo. Libertarians rad triads. That's radical traditionalist. The dissident right reform macon's etcetera distraction. But before i reject these disputes is mostly relevant. Let me make a couple of points about why we immediately leave the debate behind now. I'm actually going to skip over some of that. And i'm going to get to this. The great majority of establishment conservatives who were alarmed and repelled by trump's rough manner disregard for norms are almost totally clueless about a basic fact. Our norms are now hopelessly corrupt and need to be destroyed. It has been like this for a while. In the maga- voters knew it. While most of the policy wonks magazine scrubbers did not instill. It's almost every in almost every case. The political practices institutions and even rhetoric governing. The united states have become hostile to both liberty and virtue on top of that the mainline churches universities popular culture and the corporate world or rotten to the core. What exactly are we trying to conserve. That was glue. Elmer's the claremont institute. Now let me read you. This from dan dresner in the washington post. He's writing response to the elmer's piece by conventional metrics conservatives are down but not out in american politics after two thousand twenty election that many predicted would be democratic blowout republicans still control majority of governorships and actually increased their control of state legislatures. Things look worse for the gop at the national level but far less hopeless democrats hold bear majorities in both the house and senate if the midterms follow pass pattern. It would not be surprised if the gop controls at least one chamber in twenty twenty three. This observation seem somewhat disconnected from conservative rhetoric. However on fox news. It is the in time jesse kelly and tucker carlson agree that the right will soon embraced fascism because they have no other choice rachel campos. Duffy argues that michelle obama was the secret agent of culture to take over the us military. And then there's the claremont conservatives like glenn elmer's who wrote the super chill essay about the state of america which opens his follows. Let's be blunt blah blah blah blah. Blah i read it. During the trump era. The standard lament was that liberals scared about power and the political realm but did not have it whereas conservatives cared about power in the cultural round but did not have it and let's be clear conservatives have lost influence in the cultural realm academia has moved to the left so has the media the standard counter to this charge for those of us residing in these institutions is that these are professions codes of conduct constrain. How much one's political preferences affect one's intellectual output these codes or not perfect conservative critiques of cancel culture. Not without foundation still. They've been exaggerated. The trouble for conservatives is that reliably conservative institutions have begun acting in a less conservative manner polling during the trump years suggested the military was moving away from the gop. Since president biden was inaugurated conservatives have been banging on about the woke military because the defense secretary's committed to combating political extremism. In general officers are pushing back on. Tucker carlson's harangues about women in the military meanwhile conservatives feel besieged by big business as well put yourself in the position of claremont conservative right-wingers lost influence over liberally institutions heretofore conservative institutions are coming more hostile as well the last remaining holdout maybe religion but that trend line is discouraging fate base conservatives democrats will retain control of the house in an executive branch twenty twenty three the earliest compared with four years ago populists conservatives exercise much power and influence the country seems to be turning against them. Conservatives are not crazy to feel like they're missed feeling or facing existential threats they start to sound crazy failing to recognize their own culpability in the situation. They find themselves in. That's article two now. Bear with me last one here. This is from rod dreher in the american conservative headline woke capitalism in decadent republicans. Arkansas governor hutchinson proving once again that many republican politicians are as useless as a bore when it comes to defending anything culturally conservative or saying vetoed a sensible law that would have prevented body changing surgeries or hormones from minors suffering from gender dis fauria. Back in two thousand fifteen after woke capitalism came down hard on the state of indiana over its state version of the religious freedom restoration act for she this repeal the same governor hutchinson saw to it. That the arkansas version of the same was strangled in the crib. Walmart which is super woke cleared. its throat and governor hutchinson did its bidding. I wrote the benedict option. Because i believe we are. In revolutionary times are in fact living through the collapse of our culture and civilization and that faithful christians needed to figure out how to survive intact the friend this morning text to say his nominally. Conservative religious institution had suddenly gone woke. He sent this quote from jack. The bosons celebrated two thousand one door stopper from dawn to decadence. The system was rotten. This has been said over and over yet. The old hulk was immovable. When people accept futility the absurd as normal the cultures designate the term is not a slurred as a technical label a decadent culture offers opportunities chiefly to the satirist in order and on it goes now. I've been thinking a lot about this. And i've been thinking about it to some degree in light of my with tim keller and really his book hope and times of fear. You've got glen elmer's at the claremont institute an intellectual take for conservatives of that has gone towards reactionary conservative populism that What is there left to conserve. There's nothing left to conserve. He even goes on for example to to attack the constitution. The us constitution longer works but that fact raises more questions than answers. Lots of groups today will tell you what's wrong with society and leather particular theory or doctrine. When i say that maga- voters are clermont conservative that transcends any faction return for into the idea. The united states was the first nation in history of the world explicitly founded on the idea that government derives all his legitimacy from inalienable rights. America's re conception of democracy differed from what the world usually mid up to this point. The rule of the majority in america would be limited in principle and on and on it goes. You've got the responses to it from people like the got lament of the collapse of a decadent culture from rod. Dreher it. this gets me back to the idea of hope. And i finally now having read all these pieces and the responses to the pieces and i share some of greg elmer's concerns what i would note about a vast array of conservative voices in washington particularly the ones that were so easily persuaded that donald trump is terrible. And there's no redeeming virtue now in the republican party The people who could most easily do that are the ones who have no religious foundation And i have no affinity four The culture of life. It's really easy for people to say i'm going to vote democrat donald trump When you don't think killing kids a bad thing. And it's really easy to cast aspersions on people like glenn elmer's and others for lamenting what they see as they collapse of culture. We and you actually are okay. With a lot of what's go- you may not like the takes. You may not like the the rapid Censorship of of the cancel culture. But you know transgenderism not a big deal for you. The the fact that that people are looking at bruce jenner. And saying well you better calling caitlyn or else he i mean he did legally change his name. So i guess we should but that we're supposed to accept. He is a she even not. My child last night was lamenting that. There's a a kid that she knows who She now wants to have a gender neutral name and and be referred to as they an and mike. It's like it's just easier to go along with it when i'm in front of them because otherwise they had this meltdown and a lot of you at the end of the day. I think you're just hired of the meltdown you. You can't say what you want to say. And of course the lesser. Well you just racist things like what the hell is in the water. And i actually i. I've got a thought on this. And it's this hope when tim killer and i were talking the other day. He pointed out that most people when they used the word hope. They're talking about wishful thinking. I hope. I hope. I can combine my two radio shows and get back to just one three our national show i. I hope that i can get a new car. I hope that all have the money to put a new rule now. I hope that my kids will do well in school. It's a wish i. I wish that this will happen. What actually is is the the word we use is better translated in in the bible. Shameful the hope of the resurrection the hope of the cross. The hope of our savior is the profound certainty. There's not a lot of profound certainty right now on the right other than that. The left is bad. So what we see is on the left that becomes the mission of the right is what's on the left. The left is bad. We are profoundly certain that the left is bad. So let's own them. The problem with that though is that. And i think this is glenn. Elmer's mrs things. I think to some degree this where dan dresner his response. Mrs things where rod dreher. Mrs things that My hope is in the american people. And if you've lost the american people then you've lost the culture and and no amount of getting it back no Embrace of fascism to say. We're not gonna have actually gives we're gonna put our guys in and that's it we're done and you can't have. You can't have the levers of power back because we you're gonna do the same does. There's a profound wisdom in the average american citizen. Who is it on social media. Who isn't a yelling at the tv. All the all the time. They're not watching fox news. The reason their family their love in their life they're navigating through and we have lost the profound surtee in the goodness of the american people. On both sides. I think on both sides. But we've also lost the profound certainty that conservatism is a winning message. And you see on the right. And you see that. Because i think roger gets to this a conservatives have felt sold out by their leaders that i've had conservative pro-life activists they would rather talk to democrats about abortion rights. Because at least they know they're dealing with someone who honestly doesn't agree with them. As opposed to a lot of republican members of congress will pat him on the head and then keep funding planned parenthood. We've lost profound certainty that our leaders in our party really agree with us and we knew the donald trump though we may not agree with him on everything knew he would certainly own the left because he knew they were bad because they weren't with him anyone who's not with the against him. He's attacking the conservative governor of georgia. Because he thinks the conservative governor. Georgia could have done things he couldn't do to stop the election in november from going to joe biden. There's a there's a profound certainty that the left is bad and no profound certainty and our ideas anymore and so no one wants to even have the talk about ideas. No one wants to have a talk about. What could we do to bring people to us. It's just let's we gotta fight. We gotta fight the constitution's bad. The constitution broken society is broken. We gotta fight gotta fight. You know you can't fight in the way you want to fight institutions are lying against you. They will stop you and the to get the back is to rediscover your profound certainty in the goodness of the american people as a society in all you have to do is look at the fact that in november yeah the left with biden and the right for the most part when trump but a great many people went with joe biden and then voted. Republican down ballot. Because they don't want the drama they don't want the fight They don't want the nastiness that they want. They want some hopeful vision of america. And they didn't think they could get it with trump or with the democrats that tells me that the republicans have a winning message luring black hispanic voters over to their side and the light. There's a winning message there. If we will just reimburse the hope of good ideas the profound certainty of good ideas. We can even bypass the media. We see it happening on a daily basis. We've got to get back to that and get away from this idea that we have to fight because the system is corrupted against us. It's all come tumbling down. No rediscover your hope in america. Hello there it is. You're here said here. The phone number is eight. Seven seven nine seven eric. Nine seven three seven four to five. Wow look at the clock. I went long that last segment. I need to tell you about omar's steaks. Y'all i'm excited for omaha steaks new package that they've just come out with if you go to omaha steaks dot com when the site load. See over the top a banner a search bar right next to the logo. You put in the word georgia and you'll see my name. Come up when you do that you'll go to the let's go grill assortment the let's go grill assortment you're going to save forty eight percent. According to the website at this very moment you're gonna save definitely over forty five percent here. Though here is the genius of this is. The weather is turning good. It's warming up. 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And it is an article at the claremont institute by glenn elmer's who basically says conservatives. It was no longer enough. We haven't really conserved anything and there's nothing useful. It's time for counter-revolution learn some useful skills. Stay healthy get strong. Read some books and it's really a lack of hope. It's there's a. There's there is an element within conservatism. That came to the foreground with the flight. Ninety three election stuff also from claremont in two thousand sixteen and now a piece. by glyn elmer's that essentially conservatism has conserve nothing. And it's time to fight that we've got a hold on the dangers here. Let me just play this out. As as people on the other side see it and frankly This is a to some degree. I can see how they see. It is when you say. Conservatism has conserve nothing. And it's time to fight. you eventually. do get to where the left has been you. Were going even if you never meant to get there. Which is you get to. Someone grabs power. Never lets it go because if you believe that your capacity your ability kit can only be to hold power and never let it go order to shape and change things a peanut shape moment here in this country. I you don't really. you're you're not. Really even you've given up on conservatism. To and and essentially a lot of these people have given up on conservatism. Because they feel like. The leaders of the republican party gave up on conservatism. And i would say that one of the worst things to happen to. Conservatism was the election of w bush. And i don't mean that as a criticism of bush. What happened. When george w bush got elected is the conservative movement became a wholly owned subsidiary of the republican party. But you gotta go back a little bit further than that. Because really the worst thing to happen to. Conservatism was bill clinton. Bill clinton wiped out the democratic party and the democratic coalition that existed before bill clinton's defeats in ninety four win the entire south rapidly with republican and a lot of the midwest did too and the west did before that conservatives had to reach across the island. They had to find a common tongue with democrats who were conservative. The conservative democrats were so wiped out by bill clinton and his behavior conservatives no longer had to reach across the aisle conservatives could stay within the republican party and build coalitions and ideas within the republican party and then along comes george bush and a lot of the conservative movement then becomes the republican party. And you really start to see the media using conservative republican interchangeably as if it means the same thing you rarely ever see when used progressive democrat and mean the same thing but you very frequently even among conservatives will hear conservative republican and and they've always been different and but because people internalize that conservative republicans. Say well there are a lot of republican leaders. Who aren't very conservative. Look at ason hutchins. Hutchinson in arkansas. He vetoed a bill that would prohibit a transgender surgeries for children. The arkansas legislature over ruled him over overrode his veto and he was on fox useless. It had a very bizarre interview with tucker carlson. Hutchinson claims to be socially conservative and yet when a corporation steps it's finger he does. Their bidding corporations have moved to the left culture itself moved to the left and so there are a lot of people who feel like they're that that things are slipping away from them. Which is why you have this. This fight or flight response now by some conservatives. They've abandoned all hope. And that is the bottom line here. That conservative leaders conservative intellectuals and a lot of the the grass roots element within the republican party. They have lost hope. And let's be blunt and honest. You're donald trump. Did not give people hope. He gave them an outlet by which they can have their vengeance on other side that they blamed for destroying the country. donald trump. what did they say he fights whether he fought or not he fights and people went with trump because of that. And frankly that's why there's this element of trump supporters. Now who like josh hawley. So much because always been very unapologetic about Challenging the election of he refuses to be bleed. it's why so many now Gravitate towards santa's forget the policy. He fights he fights and they want a fighter. They want someone to fight what they need. Is someone who offers hope. Not hope that we can own the left but hope for a better tomorrow and some of these people have have decided that owning the left gives us a better tomorrow. And that's not the case because it's not sustainable because there are a lot of people in the middle who you require to vote for you do. Their whole idea of hope for tomorrow is a better job. There hope for tomorrow is that their children get ahead and you got a lot of conservatives out there now and their messages we've conserved nothing. Even the constitution doesn't work. We got to prepare for a fight these people. I don't wanna fight. They want to make ends meet. They want their kid to go to college. And you've got a winning issue right in front of you. The culture fight because so many of these conservative electrodes have internalized that conservatism is conserved nothing and culture is lost. Look at what happened the election. Forget your your theory that the election was sold just just for a moment please and this is going to be hard for some of you and i realize this but for a moment please just please for one moment. Pretend even if you don't agree with me pretend that the election wasn't stolen. Just pretend. how do you reconcile. How do you reconcile that. The republicans gained state legislatures held governors mansions and nearly took back the house representatives if the election was stolen. How do you reconcile that you reconcile it by looking at what happened if you assume it wasn't stolen which you understand and conceive from the data is that the american people they kind of got tired of donald trump but they didn't get tired of the policies. They got tired of waking up to see if he started world. War three on twitter. They didn't get tired of him. Fighting back against woke them they elected a bunch of republicans and took back several state legislatures. They were turned all the republican governors. They held state legislatures. They could have lost like here in georgia and donald trump lost by slim margins. Forty thousand votes nationwide. In the electoral college. Forget the millions of votes. That joe biden got from Places like california new york. Look at the forty thousand votes that gave him. The electoral college win got slightly less votes than donald. Trump got four years ago the electoral college. If you reconcile all this together what you see is that. There's an america that is still. Conserving cultural conservatism. There's an america that still believes in hard work. There's an america that still believes in going to church. There's an america that still believes that boys becoming girls is kind of nuts and they're ripe for the taking because the left is trying to cancel them as well. The left is bullying them as well which you have to do to get those people though is not be like donald trump takes his policies but not be the on the left. Throw the punch. You've got offer hope now. What is that hope. That hope is a profound certainty that your ideas are better than their ideas and what we have right now is a profound certainty of doubt on the republican side a profound certainty that the country has lost. The you can't really hi. I'm joe blow. Vote for me for president because we've conserve nothing. And there's nothing left in this country worth saving and we need to burn all down and start over again. Guess how many votes that guy's gonna get. There's there's joy in the sunrise and republicans are painting a sunset picture. There's joy in the sunrise and republicans are painting a picture of decline. And they're not just painting a picture of decline. They're painting a picture of not only are we declining. But the way that we have to get back as we got a fight and it may become a physical fight the country's tearing itself apart there are two americas and one of them. They're not really american. You know what the other side is saying to you. That will you know those guys. They're not really american anymore. They don't believe in the constitution. Even we believe in the constitution. Now you can argue with them you can say they really don't but but that's their message thursday in the same damn thing you're saying except they're offering people a picture of a greater tomorrow able more tolerant more diverse more open society whether you believe them or not. I have a profound certainty in the american people. And i have proof. They rejected the defunding police. People in two thousand twenty. When everyone said they wouldn't. They rejected the democrats nationwide the only democrat. They really backed was joe biden. Who promised just to return to normalcy. Guess what he lied to him and now they know what they see it she features just offer. Some hope offer offers optimism offer. Some are our best days are ahead of us rhetoric and get beyond your cold war vision of america beyond your nine thousand nine hundred. Eighty be reagan playbook and address the issues of the here and now this whole idea of well. Now we're the we're the working class. Where the where he not. You're not really you're not really. The party of the working lasted in fact. A lot of the working class did vote democrat If you actually look at the actual date of who actually voted there was some working class. Vote for republicans but by large voted for the rub against the middle class black white asian hispanic the middle class. It's the rich white people and the the die hard union people who stayed with the democrats. Now what are the democrats want to do. They want oppose unionism on everyone. They want to raise your taxes. They wanna get you out of your car. They want to keep your schools. Close down The democrats have embraced a pessimistic governing vision that they're packing with ideas about hope for tolerance diversity. Where they really mean is is orwellian. Cancel culture that this is why the right should fight on these cultural moments. But they can do so with the hope. The american people and right now. They're not they're just. I mean they're pinning these issues at claremont. We gotta fight it. It's with we're we're done. Even the constitution doesn't work. We gotta fight. Oh no offer hope. And what are the things you do to offer hope. Is you laugh at the other side laugh at them. they're gonna scowl. They've got the media on their side. But you still do enron about them. You can still do run around them. You don't need the the mainstream media anymore and republicans still i. Well we lost the media al qaeda ever win again because you don't need them. You got the american people on your side. How do i know because they overwhelmingly voted for you in november even if they rejected donald trump. If you get out of the idea that it was stolen from him you start to see these things and you realize the american people are not with the local haram crowd. They're not with the defend. The police crown. They're not with the angry left. They're not with the academics and they're not with the media there with you so just offer him something hopeful not we gotta stand and fight because the country's going to hell in a handbasket the world's on fire and everybody sold us out. Yeah i want to be on that guy side. No offer a hopeful vision for a better tomorrow where your kid can get ahead and one of the ways you can do that. Frankly is you can take on the elite in this country. The amazons of like you can take them on because people are turning on them. They're realizing that they've taken the vision of the american dream. And they've walled off from a whole class of people in this country who are entrepreneurs and ambitious. And they're told him no. You've got to stay on the social safety net. We're gonna keep you comfortable but don't you dare get off of it. There's a vision. For better tomorrow in conservatism if conservatives will just go back to it or find a new way to talk about it instead of just being angry about everything right now anger is not going to get you back into power and believing and professing that. The constitution is broken. It's not going to get you there. In fact it's going to give a lot of people reason to say you're not really a patriot. You believe that. And they're not going to vote for you governor. Brian kemp of georgia has become the latest to reject the idea of a vaccine passport. Rhonda santa's greg abbott. I believe doug ducey in arizona now. Brian kemp coming forest. Nope it is an invasion of privacy to require a vaccine passport. You have a right to travel in this country and Vaccine passport violates that right to travel Good on them. I got to spend a little bit of time on ac hutchinson but but to get there While i gotta this tucker carlson interview with. I can't play you all of the interview. I had to go back and watch it because my mom was texted me last night. wondering what on earth has gotten into the governor of arkansas. Now the governor of arkansas. You do need to understand. has always been beholden to walmart. Walmart is the chief employer in the state of arkansas and when arkansas arkansas is one of those few states it's kind of funny. They're more blue states with religious restoration acts than red states. They never thought they needed and now in arkansas considered one a few years ago walmart stepped in said nope p- and the result is that Governor hutchinson made sure it couldn't pass. Let me just play you. Part of this is just tucker carlson. The one that we allow eighteen year olds to drink beer in arkansas. Why don't we let him to get tattoos when we left. Fifteen year olds to get married. You're allowing vetoed a bill. That would have protected. Children not adults children. Doom a different standard applies from a life altering permanent procedure. That has effects. We can only guess. The early indication is very serious and very negative in some cases. And now you're telling you do that because you're a friend of limited government okay then. Why are we preventing kids from drinking sincere question. Getting married sincere question having sex. They're not enough to have sex but they're old enough to be chemically castrated. How does that work exactly. I'll listen as point. I'll listen to the. I mean the. The governor of arkansas was a he he did a very badge he did himself no favours by going on with tucker carlson he should probably fire whoever thought. It was a good idea for him to go on television with tucker carlson and it was also a very dumb thing for him to do now. The arkansas legislature has overridden his legislation Senator clark tucker democrat a little rock city was concerned about the most powerful people believe the most vulnerable senator. Ted rice republican of waldron. Arkansas moved for immediate consideration of emotion to override to protect children. The arkansas legislature in a vote of twenty five to eight in the senate and seventy two to twenty five in. The house voted to override governor. Asa hutchinson's veto of a bill to ban gender affirming treatment for transgender. You now let's let's let's deal with the new speak for a moment. Have you noticed the orwellian newspeak when it comes to transgender philosophy these days if you want to send your kid to therapy to get them to embrace the way god made them. It's called conversion therapy and it's bad but if you want your child to change their gender it's called gender affirming shouldn't be the other way round conversion surgery gender affirming therapy not not with the wilkes. It's the exact opposite and in arkansas. Now the the legislature has overruled the governor and imposed a ban on trans gender. A gender dysphoric surgery. And they've done so to protect kids because there's a growing movement of insane parents who wanna start giving their kids puberty and other things before their of of the age of legal consent to keep them in some way oftentimes because the parents impose their own biases and prejudices on the kids. It's the whole thing is very bizarre. We are in a very weird cultural moment. In the fact that as hutchinson would side with the locks on this Tells you his career is kinda done. Now he's he can't run again for office Sarah sanders running for white house. Press secretary Daughter former governor. Mike huckabee of arkansas. The whole thing is bizarre. The interview with carlson was genuinely bizarre. So which i had to go back and watch it a. My mom was texted me about it. Hutchinson i don't know who's advising him But he's he's way out of this league on this.