395- This is Chance! Redux
This is ninety nine percent visible. I'm Roman Mars. It's sometimes hard to know what stories we should tell. When we're in the middle of a crisis. Some people need a story that helps them escape others. Need a story that directly confronts anxiety. What I love about the episode. We have for you today is that it's really both and it also happens to be one of the most beautiful stories this show has ever produced of years ago. We toured the West Coast with the rest of Radio. Topa performing live stories onstage to sold out crowds for our part of the show. Ninety nine percent invisible collaborated with John. Mowlem and the brink players which featured members of the demerist's and black prairie. It was the story of genie. Chance a woman whose voice held a shaken city together in a time of crisis even though the story of an earthquake in Alaska in nineteen sixty four has nothing directly to do with what many of us are going through. Now it fuels so urgent and important that we all listen to this together. After it was performed live a handful of times. John Mowlem continued researching and writing about Jimmy. Chance and eventually became a book. That is out today as I report. This and it is brilliant and beautiful so this week we're going to play the original live stories on that. We performed onstage plus a brand new interview that I did with John last week. I hope you love it as much as idea. This is ninety nine percent invisible. I'm Roman Mars. It was the middle of the night on March twenty seventh nineteen sixty four earlier that evening. The second biggest earthquake ever measured at the time and insane. Nine Point Two had mangled Anchorage Alaska one hundred fifteen people died. Houses turned literally upside down or skidded into the sea. There was no light or power in the city and for a long time. Virtually no communication with the outside world but there was radio on the air yes. We're ready to go again. It was a station in Anchorage running on backup generators in cracked transmitter station in fairbanks picked up that signal and repeated it and a man in. Juneau somehow picked up that fairbanks station cold radio station in Seattle and the broadcast. Play over the phone. The boy scout troop that went overnight to McHugh creek bill. Noble would like to get a message if they are all right. Like that voice from Anchorage touched the lower forty eight assigned. The city was still there and soon degraded signal broadcast and Seattle was relaid and relate again until eventually people across America than around. The world heard the same woman's voice. We have word here that Mary sweet is asked to contact her mother. Mother is at home. The President of Anchorage Radio Station happened to be on a goodwill tour of Japan. And when he turned on radio and Tokyo he couldn't believe it was the voice of his own news girl back home. The woman's name was Jeanie Chance John Malone and the brink of players have restoring Nine hundred sixty. Four Anchorage was the fastest growing city in America. A generation earlier it had been a frontier town without a single concrete building. Now at at one hundred thousand people mostly military buildup and oil speculation. The city felt like a bubble. That could pop. Alaska had only been a state for five years and is one man. You're the feeling that everything is temporary. We weren't all going to leave. But you know we might and that insecurity mate. Every new construction feel monumental is a bit more proof to people that their city was real like the brand new. Jc Penney building downtown. This is one of the first big chain retailers to build Alaska it was huge and nothing said sophisticated civilization rising out of the Wilderness. Like a five-storey department store full of lingerie and blenders. There were the beginnings of genuine culture in Anchorage to like the city's all volunteers symphony conducted by a moonlighting bulldozer. Operator and the Anchorage Little Theatre community troupe run by a Cosmopolitan Guy. In a turtleneck named frank bring bring found roles for everyone in his place housewives judges. Air Force officers and he worked as actors. Hardy just stages own three hour. Epic of Alaskan history called cry of the Wild Ram. I know it sounds a little bit like waiting for Guffman but there were good. Meanwhile covering all his life in the city where two daily newspapers and five local radio stations one of them K. E. N. I. Prided itself on being the biggest radio network and the biggest state in the Union and one of K and is biggest on air personalities was a woman named Jeannie chance. Genie was thirty seven. She'd grown up poor in Bonham Texas than come to Alaska with her husband a few years earlier looking for opportunity. The only sort of founded at first he sold used cars and she watched their three kids at home but genie loved radio so she started working construction every morning in exchange for childcare. Then go to work all afternoon at one of the local radio stations back then. Women were usually made to cover cooking or fashion. Genie turned herself into a Gutsy. Roving reporter driving all over Alaska with a mobile broadcasting unit in her car. She flew with smokejumpers covered. Arctic warfare exercises reported from Innuendo villages and crab boats for voice was part of the city people trusted or respected her in Anchorage and in a way women. Journalists were always respected in nineteen sixty four later. A New York paper is celebrated as an Alaskan housewife and mother of three children. Who DOES A man sized job with a radio microphone late in the afternoon of March twenty seventh? Genie was driving her thirteen year. Old Son to bookstore downtown was Good Friday and lots of people had already gone home from work for the Easter weekend. A banner across Fourth Avenue advertise weekends opening it. Frank Brings Theater. They were doing the Thornton Wilder play. Our town curtain was going to go up at eight o'clock but at five thirty six. Geez I thought when her cars started looking at the red light was she must have blown tire but then through the windshield she saw people knocked down in the street. She saw a line of parked cars at the gas station slam together than separate and Slam. Again she watched them fold in and out thought it's like a grotesque accordion. One man would say it felt like the Earth was whipping the city around like a dog shaking an animal skill buildings listed off their foundations. Huge ground wave smooth moved through the asphalt like the roads were liquid. Jc Penney building schools. Kids stuck in the elevator watched a book suddenly levitated off the elevator. Floor and hang weakness in mid air for split-second was like he wasn't awarded. And that's when he knew the elevator is falling week. Went on like this for almost five minutes then stopped and the instant it did. Genie the car in gear. She was a reporter after all still not realizing how severe the situation was. She raced to the police station and get a quick story for the U. Being broadcast inside the filing cabinets were thrown over ceiling plaster. He on the floor then. A second jolt hit and Genius Son. Who'd gone off came. Running around the corner shouting. Come QUICK PENNIES FALLEN DOWN. An enormous concrete panel assuring away from the JC Penney's exterior and fallen. Now the entire building was sagging and running over gene watched a second panel lurch loose dropped with Aurora was brutal. Genius stepped around part of a body in the snow. A person's split in two the falling debris Chevy station wagon was Latin. Which you hear a woman still alive inside calling to the crowd trying to figure out. Then genie rounded a corner saw the whole impossible panorama one entire side of fourth avenue had just draw for two blocks everything was twelve or fifteen feet lower intervene that it opened under half the street. The crazy part was buildings were still intact on their cars. Were still perfectly part. Next to their meters men looked up. From outside of our doesn't feet underground stunned miners. And still hanging there. Over the street like a cool caption or the surreal. Wreckage was the theater banner. Read Our town. The quake not genius radio station off the air. But now the static on the Transistor Radio. She was carrying suddenly gave way to music. It meant Katie. And I was back. Engineers started talking and Jeannie grab their radio unit in car and cut in go ahead Jeannie. She was surprised later when people told her she sounded calm. It has become obvious that the earthquake that struck anchorage less than an hour. Ago is a major one. We urge each and every one of you to seek shelter. Check your emergency supplies. Plan to keep your home's closed as much as possible so that you can retain the heat. Check your see if they have transistor radios if they don't possibly they could move in with you and share one for the night. It seems like it's going to be a long cold night for Anchorage so prepared madden down the hatches and stay tuned. Think of what it means when we say person feels shaken in Anchorage. This wasn't a metaphor had been thrown their only been about an hour between the quake in nightfall and with the power out and snow falling through thick fog in the dark. There was no way for everyone to tell just how badly their world had been jumble. The feeling of vulnerability total dislocations hard to describe one guy put it. You don't know anyone else's alive. Maybe you were the last man so it was comforting to hear another voice. Start talking to you especially genie. Chances Voice after making that first announcement on the air. Genie drove back to the police station. Authorities realized that with the Radio Unit in her car. She was the only voice. They're able to address the entire city so they told her to keep talking soon. They got her broadcasting from inside. The building and rounded phone calls tour is the lines reopened was up to genie to decide what information to relate to the public? At first it was mostly just her one K. And I play remembers that the newscaster had been on the air when the quake struck hotshot they just hired away from a big station in Los Angeles. So wigged out that the second shaking stopped. He walked out of the building. Without a word he resurfaced a couple of weeks later calling from back in California to officially quit. Genie was shaken to a week later. She breakdown out of nowhere. And we've all night but now I kept trying to forget the unforgettable scenes eyewitness thousands of terrified people were huddled in their unheeded shelters waiting words of reassurance and Instruction so she started doing your job talking to people on the radio before long the rest of her colleagues and other stations town. Were back working. The airwaves to but still often felt like genie was the one at the center of things. Directing the turbines say needs diesel fuel. Should say or. Here's where electrician's should report. And then she started reading the personal messages. Pouring into Mr and Mrs Dick Fisher are still here at police headquarters waiting for any word of their children. We have a message from Northwest Airlines saying that the crew cannot locate stewardess beverly John's so many people were desperate to locate or reassure each Howard Forbes would like it to be known but he will be at Mike. Whitmore's genie was hoping those people shout across the fractured city. A message to Kenneth Sadler Mrs Sadler Spine a message to Walter Heart. Lee Heart is fine. Meanwhile Ham radio operators relaying those messages to families in the lower forty eight then when reporters around the country finally got through Anchorage. It was often genie still sitting in front of a radio microphone. Took their call no. She assured than the city was installed in flames. And no it wasn't under martial law. She talked to Omaha New York. London one interview she did was rebroadcast. And more than one hundred other places the same day Friday night it becomes Saturday morning then Saturday afternoon Saturday night for the first thirty hours. I talked constantly after two hours sleep. She was right back on the air it's probably worth stopping for a second to say this out loud. Earthquakes are but I mean in an existential way to imagine how dreamlike it must have been watching. Reality suddenly buckle around you watching your city of infallible right angles. Who is enough to change? A person's worldview more than fifty years. Later former mayor of Anchorage told me. Even now I can look at this solid ground out the window and know that it's not permanent it can change any time it just moves. Everything moves understand that in one thousand nine hundred sixty four plate tectonics was still just a theory kind of a radical. One is hard for people to accept that the continents we stand on actually in motion that we're just sliding around randomly on violently colliding plates of rock that nothing stable that everything runs pure chance. That's what the story is about really chance. Maybe that's obvious it's even the woman's name but the question is how are we supposed to live on the surface of such unbearable randomness? And what can we grab hold of fixed? But when I hear the old recordings of genie on the radio that weekend and all the other voices working to picture them as solid objects like wires crossing the city of Anchorage and the State of Alaska further out crossing each other to like a net kind of alternate human infrastructure snapping into place where the built environment gave way here. Bob Then I'll turn it right back to you. The Festival Church at eight his temporary department out of Dan. You has accommodated to nine on the highway the YMCA even Fabulous Sean. The knees airline urged damage out at this time right now to evaluate. This money's always the red claws. Lovely journey lasting areas is one of your relatives in Anchorage. Armstrong road the Northern Hotel. Take Your family has been contacted and everything is okay. I've been so involved kind down here in the coordination of The metric service at the Jubilee Fan headquarters that I really hadn't stopped to think how we're even concerned. My parents must be. I understand fat Kfi In air banks is monitoring us and it's relaying messages to the south forty-eight. I wonder if the first one in KFA are will take a message for me. And Get the word to my family in Bonham Texas. That's a chance family is all right. The chance family is all right. All five of us are safe. None of received a scratch. We have another major late on Saturday. The day after the quake genie read a list of the missing and dead on the air. No one told her to do it. But there doesn't seem to be anyone to ask for permission either. The next day was Easter Sunday ministers talked about death and resurrection staff. The Anchorage Daily Times picked up all the pieces of movable type thrown all over their printing room managed to put out a newspaper to JC penney executives declared. We will build a bigger and better than before eventually. The little teeter resumed its production of our town to one of the actors told me that after the quake whenever a restaurant and krige reopened or Churchhill. The mass there was never an empty. Cg said everyone wanted to be with someone else and there was something especially poetic about the sold out crowd at the theater that first night because that kind of togetherness is basically what Thornton. Wilders plays about play about daily life in a small town. The deaths and marriages tragedies spurts and how under all that flux there's stability every community over time in Anchorage City that worried. It was temporary realized. It was temporary. At least all its buildings and houses and roads but it was discovering there was something permanent about itself to all night at the theatre. The character of the stage manager talks to the audience directly narrating the story of the play. Kind of like. I've been doing tonight now. When the curtain rose on the final acts he came out for his monologue and told them now. There are some things we all know but we don't take him out and look at them very often. We all know that something is eternal and it ain't houses and an eight names in an eight earth and it ain't even stars everybody knows in their bones that something is eternal and that something has to do with human beings. All the greatest people ever lived on this that for five thousand years and yet you'd be surprised how people always losing Jimi chance stayed on duty. Kfi for fifty nine hours that we when things finally calmed down. She sat down to write a letter to her parents in Texas. They'd written to her right after the quake pleading with genie descend her three kids to live with them while that battered city up in Alaska. Figured out what's next. Think of the kids safety. They said and part of genie thought it was a good idea but then she had another more convincing. We must be together as long as we're together. We are confident of the future. She explained to her parents. That Good Friday night. I knew we had survived. Miraculously and for this reason there must be a purpose to our lives. Apparently the children must sense this to for they have remained calm. They have been fully aware of the emergency. But have not here. We are proud that their such dependable responsible youngsters. I would not undermine their confidence in the future in themselves by sending them away for their safety. What is safety anyway? How can you predict where or when tragedy will occur? You can only learn to live with it. Make the best of it when it happens. These children are not afraid their father and I are not afraid please. Don't you fear for what is safety anyway? Genie seemed to be conceding. That there is only randomness. Only chance of everything beyond us is chance maybe the only force we have to survive a world like that his connection by then. 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That's better help dot com slash invisible. Why not get help? Better help dot com slash invisible john-willem expanded the store. You just heard into a beautiful and important new book called. This is chance and I had a conversation with them several days ago right about the time. The reality of the pandemic was just hitting a lot of people and I started out by asking him how he first learned about Jeannie chance. Basically I'd I learned about the Soon Nami in Crescent City California. This was like twenty years ago. I learned about this to Nami. Nineteen sixty four that wiped out this town of Crescent City California and I just learned about that in a roundabout way a diner in crescent city. One day when I saw these historical photos about it. And there's some really interesting things about this story about the resilience of the community that stuck with me and it wasn't until like many many years later until about two thousand thirteen or fourteen that I thought to like Google basically and like what caused this. You know what Causes Soon Nami? Was this massive quake in Alaska And it was a pretty short amount of time between starting to get curious about the earthquake and stumbling on Genie Basically because genie had produced a lot of material about the quake afterwards and you just interviewed a lot of people and compiled these almost like oral history documents and even like co-authored a scientific paper with the USGS about So her name was out there but even then it was still just a few more years Even though I had reached out to her her daughter which became like you know just like the most important connection that made this book possible It still took me a few years even to get up to Jan Is your daughter's house and and look at all the material genie add left behind which was just You know like thirty something boxes of of everything from her life and at that point it was just like. Oh my God. Like there's there was just such an opportunity to reconstruct these three days In Anchorage I mean the book really just tells the story of these three days and Yeah I just I couldn't. I didn't feel like I could see that opportunity. Not Not do it because it was really like a almost like an hour. Never thing like what's who else is going to be in this baseman over again right. So the the first incarnation was the live story song that that you made for nine percent visible and so did you always have a book in mind. How did it expand out of that work in your mind? Yeah well the great thing about doing that project that you guys was that it gave me the time and sort of the motivation to just see if it was a book. I definitely had that in mind. I was hoping that that's what it could become But it's such a weird process of just cobbling together. These material documents from archives various places. So you know pretty you know definitely by the time we were. We were done with that project and we were starting to do the performances. It was very clear to me that this was come. Just the beginning and Yeah it was just this process of of discovering like all these other characters and all these nuances to the story and just learning more about anchorage at the time and just this fuller sense almost like a more empathetic sense to of of what was happening there but after the quake also just what it was like to be living in. Alaska nineteen sixty four and then also just finding more and more material both the genie's documents and then this huge trove of documents from these sociologists that came to anchorage to interview everyone about the quake against study. The community's response you know they interviewed almost five hundred. People had access to all of their transcripts. Worthies meticulous like blow by blow accounts of. Tell me everything that happened So yeah they're just as I gathered more of that. I saw all of these other threads just pulling out of you know what I already know. Yeah and so specifically that group from Ohio. That went to study at the story of the Anchorage Earthquake. It's really interesting to be talking about right. Now when people are figuring out ways to deal with the crisis as it unfolds and after it happens. How did the research and writing? The story changed the way you view of how people act in a crisis. Yea It's it's very bizarre experienced. I've spent you know six or seven years with all this in my head to various degrees and then now at the same time. The book is being materializing is a real object in the world to just have the world be you know kind of collapsing around it but Yeah I don't I don't. I wish I had some very pithy like moral that I could draw from all this and just dispensed everyone and you know in some sense. I think it's there but I'm still struggling to articulate but basically these these social scientists they. They came to anchorage thinking that they're funded by the military. They were thinking that they're just here to watch community fall apart. And till you know as a as a sort of simulation of nuclear wars that we could figure out how to control that kind of chaos and what they found was really what we were talking about in that in in the pieces is just this cooperation and this altruism that just surged up from the community. This is impulse that everyone had to just solve problems and cooperate. And just you know get stuff done And I think we're we're definitely. We're feeling that same thing. Now you know. I think it's just way more opaque as to you. Know what we're supposed to do with that energy and it's something I've been turning over in my mind. I think it's just a the problem is just that it's The danger is is just not right in front of us the way that it is with an earthquake. And I think it's scrambles your brain in that way But I do think that you know I have this piece in the in the New York Times That's sort of an extra of the book. Were just making the point that I do think we need to kind of understand. You know these things are being told to do like wash your hands and keep our syncing all of these things that seem like sacrifices retreats and just try to understand them as as a way to channel that same energy that these are things we're doing together. This is a project that we're doing together even if we're actually not supposed to be physically together when we're doing but it's it's that same thing and it's not it's not nothing. I'm saying would new or revelatory to any of the sociologists that studied this because that that field of sociology has gone on in all the years since the quake and its you know really on firm ground that this phenomenon. I'm this is just the way humanity deals with disasters isn't this collaborative improvise productive. Way But Yeah it's it's strange. Just think about the similarities but also the differences I mean that essential truth is really contradictory to what we tend to tell stories about in fiction. You know we tend to tell stories about the pressure cooker of disaster leading to society. Breaking Down You you've you've thought about why There's an impulse to tell those stories when the reality is not that way and maybe more interesting because of it. Yeah I mean I think it's not just in fiction. I think we tell that story about real life to sometimes to our detriment like it's you know it's it's dangerous because if you are in a the aftermath of a disaster and you're looking at everyone around you as barbaric or potentially the their whole drive is to harm you steal it you have. You're going to address the world very differently than if you walk in with an assumption that that you know people can be trusted and that we're allies but yeah I don't I think in some ways it's it's there might just be something on a gut level that we're afraid of and so we assume it to be to be true but it's it's really hard to let go those myths. I mean even one thing that I just found so entertaining was when you read enough of these case studies or even just press accounts of disasters and you have an it was true in Alaska to is that you know. Well we we pull together. Because we're Alaskans right. You had so many Alaskan thing and you had this associate who just had to kind of push back and say well you know everyone like even even the the fact that they found themselves exceptional turned out to be unexceptional because after Katrina was New Orleans. We're just new ORLEANIANS. Or you know New Yorkers after island well we're New Yorkers and just no one can get their head around the fact that you know what's true for everyone else everyone else is going to collapse and turn into heathens. But we're we're the one place that that has are together so so. I found that very amusing I duNno. I guess it's just really hard to register and even I'm not I'm not trying to. I mean even now I am. I know these things I've written about them. I'm out here saying them public but You know I have to kind of reassure myself that they're that they're true and and I also think that you know frankly I'm talking to you from Washington state right where everything feels is probably a little bit more intense but but I think I've also just made the decision for myself that like I'm just Gonna. I'm just going to act like they're true and I'll be proven wrong. You know and I just I would prefer to live in a world where I see where I see that the possibility of that cooperation and the possibility of that goodness Rather than just always being on guard for the opposite where things that we get the privilege of in the audio piece that we performed onstage versus the book is is you get to hear some of these voices at the end and I remember doing it on stage and nearly crying every time that moment happens. And what was it like hearing those the first time? When you're going through archives I was unreal. I mean especially certain moments. You know. There's a there's so many written documents right at so many Interviews and letters and you get this sense of of real life but it's almost kept at a distance from you you know there's there's at buffer and then when you hear the voices it's It shatters that right not completely right. They're they're they're the tapes are fuzzy and they've kind of some of the men especially seem to have that kind of old timey cadence you know but For Yeah there's there's something about it there's just something about hearing. People speak and hearing the confusion in their voices but also hearing the Energy. They're putting into like fighting back that confusion that I just find so moving And so noble so yeah and and on top of that you know I had all these recordings of just you know ordinary radio broadcasts in Anchorage or Genie. Kind of making audio diaries. Things and Yet you can just sort of feel yourself being sucked through time in a way in this story we are witness to like a little sliver of genes life. She went on to lots of interesting things afterward. Can you tell us a little bit about what her life was like after the quake? Yes she I mean it was a real Kind of catapult for her You know the the first thing that happened was she got super Depressed and stressed out. I think just covering the months and months of like you know boring recovery work and infighting and all the stuff that followed the sort of period of of great cooperation as soon as the government agencies involved in figuring out all the technical stuff but she she actually left her job at the station shortly after because she they wouldn't give her a raise and because she was a woman essentially. She felt kind of indignant about that rightfully and and she went off on her own. She became kind of a woman about town. Like a publicity consultant. Just kind of hustling and doing all kinds of freelance work and that eventually led to a People started asking her to run for office. And so she became a state legislator in Alaska in nineteen seventy one was there for many years and just did a whole bunch of stuff there with the kind of same even a greater spirit of just you know who gives a damn. I'm GonNa do the right thing kind of attitude which didn't necessarily make her a favorite among some of her you know especially the older male colleagues who looked at their positions in legislator is a sort of a treat that they were entitled to after Long Careers in business. But the other thing happened to is that you know she was she yeah. She was in very bad marriage. Her husband at the same time that you could be very loving. And they were very happy family. He was also alcoholic and He was abusive towards her. Very very violently and You know she never really addressed it but it seems clear both reading the stuff that you wrote and talking to people that are around her was that the from the earthquake on there was really this process her. Just kind of trusting in our own strength I guess would be a way to put it or just kind of feeling more confident about making decisions in her life and in that led to her Leaning her husband and and eventually remarry to So yeah I I really had no idea about any of that until you know much later in the in the process But yeah it turned out she was. You know I guess it makes sense. If you find a serve remarkable person doing extraordinary things on one weekend that the you'll probably find the rest of their life pretty fascinating to some of her relatives. Came down to see it when we performed in Seattle. What was that like? There's amazing I couldn't complete it. Yes so her daughter Jan And her husband were there and then John Children then I believe like a niece or cousin or somebody and they they came from both from Alaska. And then there's some folks that are living in Texas and the other is a whole kind of throw them at the reform which was just so wonderful Because I really never had this experience you know working on anything before where so many people that I I called just told me outright like Auburn waiting for someone to call me. 'cause writing about this either a often just about the quake but but several people that gene yourself you know like. Oh Yeah. I've been waiting all my life or someone call me and ask me about Jeannie. Chance Her her family. Her daughter definitely felt that to you know her her daughter just knew what an extraordinary person or her mom was. And that's why she was holding onto other things all these years and didn't didn't just toss them and the other cool thing too was I'd be in their basement. Just looking through all this stuff like I would stay with them and you know go for a few days time and I remember one night being just up really late just like going through box. After box and John's daughters genie's granddaughter. Who WAS LIVING IN? An apartment is to their house at the time came home. You know from being out with her husband at a bar or something and we got to chatting and I was like you know at one point I said so how. What are you really know about your grandmother? Because she was pretty young when Jeanie died she. You know to be honest. I didn't really know much about her until you started poking around. You know we started talking about it again so yeah it's I don't know there's just something there's something maybe it's like a middle middle aged thing amid like now that I'm forties forties. There's there's something really potent and and moving about just kind of seeing the way people's memories can cut a catapult through time and impacts that they have and Yeah I don and also just recognize that it's gene just genie's fascinating and did amazing stuff but like how many other lives out there. Could you just? If you found this way into you know would would deliver that just that same kind of rush you know that recognition of just like another another human. This is chance the shaking of an all American city a voice that held it together by John. Mowlem is out today. Get it seriously get it for yourself for a friend for the SAKE OF THE WORLD. Get it today. Ninety nine percent invisible was recorded at the Moore Theatre in Seattle on the radio. Topi live West Coast tour. We were directed by Lynne Finkel. Postproduction mix by Sean Real Answer. If Yousef words by John Mowlem and music by the bring players Jenny Conley Drizzles. John New felt nate. Query John Moen and Chris Buck. Genie chance was played by Avery. Troublemaker the group is Katie. Mingle Kurt Karlstad. Delaney Hall Am Fitzgerald Joe Rosenberg Vin Lay Crisper Ruby. So vehicle and me Rollin. Mars we are project of ninety one point seven. Klw In San Francisco and produced on radio row. Which is now distributed in multiple locations in beautiful East Bay California we are proud member of radio from Pr. Fiercely independent collective of the most innovative shows and all the podcasting find them all at radio. Tokyo Dot Com. You can find the show into discussions about the show on facebook. You can tweet me at Roman Mars in the show at nine. P I org or on instagram and read it too but we have a link to purchase the book. This is chance you must get. It must must get it. That link is an API DORK radio champion. Hey before we go a quick word from Radio. Topa the PODCAST. 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