July 14: Outsourcing trouble
The? He smashed pretty much. Every billboard and streaming record that matters it has already been streamed more than a billion times. People still to this day point to this is the moment everything changed, but whether you agree with those claims are not this podcast. Is it really about him? Either? You're not an astute businessman, or you're inherently racist when it comes to black music and his country, this is not a drake podcast available now on CBC. Listen or wherever you get your podcast. This is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm Nico, saw and I'm Ali. Hassan. This is as it happens the podcast edition. Tonight, outsourcing trouble Oshawa. Ontario hires private security to deal with. It's growing community of homeless people. We speak to the city's mayor who was once homeless himself superiority complex for decades, a late Western university professor researched and wrote about racial superiority and genetics now a group of Black Alumni Sates time to address the school's lingering legacy of tenured racism shot in the dark the. The first human trial of a potential cove in nineteen vaccine is underway in Canada. We'll ask one of the scientists behind it. Just how much is riding on a homemade solution? Run from the border. After a congresswoman came on the show to call for Canada to get going with plans to reopen the border with the US. You answered the call with a resounding no. They've got it covered people in a UK long-term care home fight the corona virus blues by riffing off. Some classic album covers in a photo series, starring their lockdown rock and cells and shock treatment. A pub in Cornwall England has become so frustrated by the behavior of its patrons when it comes to physical distancing that they've installed an electric fence inside the bar. As it happens the Tuesday edition radio that brings you all kinds of current affairs. There are private security guards on the streets of Oshawa Ontario. They were put there by the city government. Even before the covid nineteen pandemic began, there were already a fair number of homeless people living in Oshawa and counselor say that since the spring, the homeless population there has spiked, and so it's hired cdn protection to patrol the downtown, but advocates for homeless say that approach is harmful and wrongheaded Dan. Carter is the mayor of Shas a young man. He was homeless himself. We reached him in Oshawa. Mayor Carter for our listeners who aren't familiar with Oshawa. Can you paint a picture for us of what is happening on the streets there and why you felt it was necessary to hire a private security firm to patrol the downtown core. Fifty seven kilometers east of Toronto population about a hundred and seventy two thousand people is traditionally been known for General Motors and the mobile industry, but We also have been known as a caring compassionate community for over a hundred years. We always been a compassionate and kind to those individuals that are struggling those individuals that are on sheltered or dealing with addictions, and we are now finding ourselves inundated with From across the province that are coming to us while seeking help, but at the same time. What's happening is we have a criminal element that has also appeared in our community that take advantage of those individuals that are unsheltered that are dealing with addiction and mental health, and so we've had to do some extraordinary steps and meeting the needs of not only those that are suffering. How do we also meet the needs of our community to make sure it's safe? that people are getting the services that they need at the right time, but why not use police bylaw? Officers are social workers even to try to do this work and help people as you say. Well we are, so we work with their mutual police. We have to foot patrol officers through the daytime and our downtown core. They been helping us really kind of help individuals that are in our community, those that are committing crimes that are here to deal drugs and sell drugs to those individuals that are addicted, so the police are doing a great job in regards to the criminal element of things are bylaw officers are not equipped to. To deal with the severity of the mental health and addiction issues that we're now facing from a population we've never seen before. We're used to having an influx of the individuals that come into our communities that are unsheltered, but eat has exploded. We thought it through our data that we have individuals from all across the province that we just have not seen before. The severity of their illnesses have brought a lot of complexities to our community. In the history of being carrying and compassionate, and I think that's why, for for some wars seeing the story unfold. That's what they can't in part reconcile. Our colleagues at Metro morning spoke to Christine Thornton. Who leads the anti-poverty group in Oshawa called Dire. I'm sure you're familiar with it, but let's take a listen for a moment to what misfortune told our colleagues CBC Toronto. I would like them to ask themselves if they would like to be treated like this. When they were at their worst, because I certainly wouldn't. If I was struggling, and I lost everything, and I was on the streets, and the only thing that was my friend was perhaps a substance that made me feel a little bit less alone. What I would want was compassion I wouldn't want to be woken up with dog or an angry security guard. WHO's frustrated because I've fallen asleep behind the automotive? Museum here something. What's your response to to that Mayor Carter? Is this really the the best most humane way to help? People who are living on the streets? But, the reason why we have reach teams of why we've taken this approach out of collective collaborative effort to be able to make sure that we're meeting. All the needs of individuals I've said this time and time again number one is. There's no reason why anyone is sleeping on the streets of the city of Oshawa. We have a bad for those that obsolete. You WanNa bed, we. We will provide it. We're GONNA utilize every resource. It's absolutely possible to be able to meet the needs of our community, and especially those individuals that are struggling like they are. This security organization has been instructing as part of their contract that they do not use their canine division. They cannot be hands on except for an emergency what they're trying to save someone's life by administrating. Oxen, if somebody's othing. Their First Line of defense is to be able to connect with the individual. Find out how they could help that person at that particular time make the calls that are necessary and of criminal behavior is underway. They call nine one one and they get Durham regional police and by the way. You know my background. Many viewers know the background that I struggled with addiction to help. That I have never forgotten, and I heard this this morning. Never forgotten about my last day on the streets and my first day recovery, and I dedicated twenty nine years of my life to be able to be an advocate, educator and three little serve the community and I. Take liberties. When people say maybe he forgot. I never forgot I. Remember that day of my wife and myself have started an organization and we have donated. A million dollars to help organizations I have worked tirelessly to make sure that we have a conversation about how four thousand Canadians die of opiate over crisis across this country. We have two hundred forty thousand people that call the streets home. I find it unacceptable that anybody dies on our streets in the city of Oshawa, I can tell how much it stings that that criticism when people insinuate that you may have forgotten how difficult it was to be homeless and deal with addiction. But can you understand that people have a hard time reconciling? What's playing out here? This is one hundred thousand dollar program and many critics said. Could this money not have been spent? In other ways that don't involve security guards because people respond in a different way to security guards, even if that guard happens to have a kind demeanor sends a different kind of message. This particular company that has been working with our reach teams with working with the social agencies in our community for over a year now that's one of the reasons why I think. Council selected this organization because they had proven that they work with those organizations, so council made a decision that based upon their their actions through their compassion through the way that they've been able to help individuals that are struggling. That was part of their decision, making I understand what people at first light WANNA grab onto it. It, but understand that this is part of an overall strategy regards to helping individuals. Find the help that they need. Because we find it unacceptable that anyone sleeps on the streets and anybody on our streets. I will not stop until we find a way of saving their lives because I believe somebody's parrot, somebody's loved. One expects the mayor the city of All Shwe to do everything they possibly can to save their child's life. I'm committed to that Mayor Carter I. Thank you very much for your time. I thank you very much for reaching out to us I only wish you all the best and I look for retard next conversation. Thank you. Dan Carter is the mayor of Oshawa Ontario. The. First Canadian human clinical trials for a vaccine for covid nineteen have begun in Quebec City the vaccine candidate was developed by Medicare go inc a Quebec suitable company. It shown promising results tests on animals, and now researchers have the go ahead to try it out on human volunteers. Yesterday six people got their first trial dose for the COVID. Nineteen vaccine candidate naturally laundry Medica goes executive vice president of scientific and medical affairs. Ms Laundry there is such a race such fervor right now to find a vaccine, so how Canadians feel about the fact that we're seeing a potential corona virus vaccine being tested on humans here in Canada. So. This is a very important they for us, and and this is a technology that we have up here in Canada, so this is a unique technology that uses plans as bio reactor to produce a virus like particle vaccine. These vaccine they look like the virus, but they're not infectious, and and when you inject as vaccine, people will flop good immune response. This is quite an achievement for us. in the world in general I think there's more than one hundred fifty. That aren't developing vaccines. And I think we're There's two twenty five companies that are in clinical development and Medicaid GonNA WANNA set. The stage you're at now, are in fact, safety tests. So how hard is it been for you to convince people to take part? It's not that difficult given the situation with covid nineteen, and and should we say that vaccines are safe products in general it is, it's not like some treatment that could eventually at some side effects vaccine are recognize to be a safe products, and we have a lot of experience with an influenza vaccine is seasonal influence vaccine that has been produced using our technology, and for which we have completed phase one. And phase three trials and the those C- is currently being reviewed by Al Qaeda for marketers, so we have. A lot of experience out to produce up this type of vaccine meaning influence I in the backseat for Covid nineteen is somehow similar in nature to that of influenza, and we have extensive clinical experience so. I would say that we offer a solution that could help protect and fight against this disease. How many people are you doing? These safety tests on. A hundred eighty for phase one. They are h eighteen to fifty five years of age, and they're lt volunteer, so we just three different does level of the vaccine with or without an adjective, an edge of being substance that will stimulate an immune response. And after we get the data, we will select the best vaccine option, and we will move in to face to where the objective are similar. We look at safety and the immune response, but we do that in a larger number of subject, and we go to older adults, l. e., people, and also people would co morbidity. The idea is to select the best vaccine options for the target population, so we will be able to start the face to. Somewhere in October that could provide results by the end of December and after up, we would be ready if everything goes well for the last clinical trial, that is a face tree where we evaluate the if you can see if the vaccine in a large number of subject, and that's the last trial that is needed to prove that the vaccine is safe, immuno-genetic and effective at preventing the. And after that when the regulatory authorities reviewed those say, the vaccine is available to the population. How do you prepare yourself? Though you know as you've likely seen in some parts of the world, the United States first of all we can talk about even the idea of wearing masks during this pandemic has become controversial issue of freedom for some people and we also know about ANTIBAC- sers are people who are doubtful about vaccine. So how do you prepare yourself for that conversation? THAT POTENTIAL FIGHT! Well You know vaccine They Save Life. This is one of the very important invention. Of the modern world, then if we remember the mortality in kids was very I several years ago. I would say in the early. Nineties and vaccine is something that can protect people to I at the young age from deadly disease. It can protect also our elderly people. To suffer a complication of of viral disease so You know there's there's always people that will be against a certain recommendations, but we have. Multiple evidence that vaccine are are in general very safe, and they can prevent very severe disease. If not that, what would it mean for you and your team is laundry and this country? If you were the ones to develop the first vaccine. Main deferred the second of the third is is not that important in a sense because no vaccine manufacturer can is able to produce any of those to to protect everybody so everybody as a every vaccine manufacturing pick. No, yes, some limitations in terms of capacity, so we need multiple option second vaccine that will protect the pediatric population, sometimes are different than vaccine would protect the elderly so what I mean by that we need many vaccine options that for differently at and using an immune response so. It won't be a race with a single winner. There will be multiple companies that will participate to global effort, so we can control the spending make. Ms, laundry I. Thank you so much for your time. You're welcome. Natalie laundry is the executive vice president of scientific and medical affairs for Medica. Go Inc the first Canadian. Human clinical trials for covid nineteen vaccine have begun in Quebec City. It's official. The Canada US border will remain closed into August. That announcement came today, but some American politicians have been arguing that it is time to open things up last week. New. York Congresswoman Kathleen Rice shared her argument that the two neighbours start planning to reopen, and then we heard from many of you Joseph. Terrence emailed from COM Premier Ontario. To, get straight to the point. My entire family and most of our friends do not want the border open maybe a year from now. Maybe we have many American, family and friends in the US were clearing the virus up. Let's keep it that way and Nancy. WHO's twitter handle is at voting ABC tweeted. We love our American neighbors. But many of you are not feeling very well right now. Get better soon and we can all visit again. This virus has Canada has cost Canada enough in lives and money and our Canadian listeners weren't alone. Jesse Salisbury tweeted from Kansas American. Here, keep your borders closed. We don't have this under control at all, and here's what you told talkback. High Flynn the Holland speaking I'm calling from cache, CREEK BC I caught the tail. End of the woman was talking about opening the border, and how we should be starting a conversation, and the economy is the ultimate goal, and no SEWRI health is the ultimate goal and you. The United States have a job to do before there can ever be any start of conversation. Since go, Jim I'm calling from the sunshine. Coast and it's obvious went. Isn't it obvious it's when their get their numbers under control? But it's like we have to have a big talk. About what is you know the scientific evidence? It's all there. Get the numbers under control. Get it down and then the borders starting to open. Thank you to everyone who got in touch. If you have anything you'd like to share. Our borders are always open. Email us at a I H at CBC. DOT CA or call talkback at four, one, six, zero, five, five, six, eight seven. Breath. And Folks at the Sidmar Lodge are not letting the corona virus. Keep them from rocking out the residents and caregivers at the long term care home in edgeware England have been posing for photos, replicating classic album covers and the largest activities director has been sharing the results. There's who's ninety-three mimicking the pose of Adel on the cover of her album twenty-one Aroma Cohen, a lightning bolt on her face, just like David Bowie on Aladdin Sane. The whole thing has blown up into a social media sensation Robert Speaker. Is that activities director? He's in edgeware. Mr Speaker what do Mar. Lodge residents make of all the attention. They're getting from all around the world. Yeah, they can't quite believe even if I tell them. They call me a liar they could be. You'll making it up. They say you'll make it up Debbie daft. Obviously social media to somebody. WHO's ninety one hundred it? It's hard to grasp, and it's hard to grasp the actual fake. Even when somebody says to me, my sister said nine million people. Obscene my original tweets and even I can't believe that so what I'm trying to explain the Macarena cheat you. The residents also down to F that they adjust happy to listen to some music that I'm playing as they were happy to have buffet to graph taken as an album cover. The goal wasn't to go viral. Necessarily, it was to lift resident spirits right. So what? What kinds of things have they told you? Or whether it was just to have a laugh often i. do things just so? The residents will smile. And when I showed them the final piece, a they weigh in Fitsville Derek's and when we were doing it over Asli, when I'm drawing a lightning bolt on somebody's face or some tattoos on ninety three year old ladies. That can't be left. At the same time, so it was great fun doing it even asking somebody to pose guided, say what do odd for me is by the, and then we'd have such a laugh, and we have to start again, so it was really good fun, and it was nice one to one time with each resident as always doing it. It was nice for them to get some attention just for them. Both a nicer me to be able to just check all said that they will all right during this time. We've been in lockdown for four months so. Is there a specific story from one resident that stands out to you? There are few to be honest style. has its own little story. Each restaurant isn't individual at the end of the day. They've all got a life stories that the the obvious one is Sheila is ninety three, and she's not your classic ninety three year old, so she knows current. She knows what is going on in the world, and she also doesn't mind sharing her views where the good Obama'd you will hear about it, but she is also fake game, so one of the things I've done in the past is to do eighty bucket list by Downli calling. It's bucket list I. Say things that you want to do in your lifetime and she said. Said Easy I. Want to go and see rock by a man. He's a singer so I got on the case I took her to a festival to see rag and bone man I we got VIP tickets, and as a surprise I'd Organiz for him to meet it before Hong where he gave her signed album. which appear is next to the actual recreation of. You'll be able to see it. Says Da Sheila. RAG INVITING MIND above and beyond Mr Speaker. That is the way I like to wear. When you think of something, you have to always strive for that goal. Just describe a couple of them to me. Sheila's cover. For example we started off doing. HEFF s actually because she gets me. She gets my sense of humor on my madcap ideas, so we did the Elvis Presley and the collapse, and I did pretty basic posts for that one, but with the Rackham vitamin that she participated thin. That's why I went to a deep level because she had a much closer connection with the actual autism so I spent quite a bit of time drawing a Tattoo on copying a picture, and then it was trying to get into the similar position, but For a ninety three year olds to do that, same position of leaning over a Chad is not quite as easy, so it wasn't my intention to exactly the same I wanted to put some personal edge on it so that you could see the individual's personality so I hope that shown through. Speaker, Covid nineteen has certainly laid bare the problems with long term care homes in this country. It's really been the epicenter of the crisis, so many lives lost. As we consider the future of long-term care in this country, what do you think we should learn? I think we learn that. Just because somebody is in a cast setting h shouldn't be seen how it was perhaps seen in the ATS way. They just play Bingo overboard. Games or have quizzes. It should be more than that They've lived full lives for eighty ninety years before they come to a catching sometimes and that life has to be lent about to have to learn about each individual to now. How best to help them to make sure that? That it isn't about giving up. It's about WH-, can we do? What can I do to make that life? Fulfilling the fact is that there's plenty of opportunity out there. There's a loss of people out there. Who wanted to help on the pandemic show that I just hope that other Kaffa civilities can appreciate how important they are and people in cat sector should be treated as human beings who have exactly the same rights. And should be treated. The, same, if not better because of what they have done in that lives. Mr Speaker I'm so glad we had a chance to chat kindness, humanity and laughter. They should be the norm, not rarities. Sidmar and the residents are certainly lucky to have you. Thanks so much for your time. Thank you very much indeed following. Robert Speaker is activities director at Sidmar. Lodge, we reached him in edgeware. England and you can see the Sidmar album cover collection on our website. CBC DOT CA Slash H. The theaters have closed, but the show logo on play me. PODCAST is thrilled to present a new series. The show must go on featuring provocative productions from some of North America's most acclaimed creators for the stage. Sit back and experience everything from chilling thrillers to Gut wrenching dramas to irreverent comedies each month experience the exhilaration of theater from the comfort of your own home. Me Available wherever you get your podcasts. He smashed pretty much. Every billboard and streaming record that matters it has already been stream more than a billion times. People still to this day. Point to this is the moment everything changed, but whether you agree with those claims are not. This podcast isn't really about him either. You're not an astute businessman, or you're inherently racist. When it comes to black music in this country, this is not a drake podcast available now on CBC listen or wherever you get your podcasts. It's been decades since they walk the halls of Western, university. But a group of Black Alumni Henry reunited to compel the school to take action against anti-black racism. Their calls come after the Antero University responded to a report that found a deeply entrenched anti-black lead at the school. President Alan Shepherd vowed to hire a senior adviser on diversity issues and apologized for the work of Philip. Rushton a former psychology professor whose teachings attempted to link race and intelligence, but the group says the university isn't doing enough to receive even a passing grade. Geraldine Marie is a member of the group Black Western alumni. We reached her in New York. Missouri by left Western thirty years ago, so what compelled you to reconnect with your former classmates now and talk about racism at the University? Thirty years ago I had a very traumatic and disturbing experience that happened across my undergraduate career and I got an email from someone I hadn't seen in thirty years asking if I knew that the issue of Rushton had reared. And the universe issued two statements one from the president and one from the psychology department and I looked at those two statements and realized they still hadn't gone far enough, and the university still didn't understand the harm that they had created in two weeks later. We've created a list of thirteen action items, and we're trying to get something finally done at Western, the Russian you mentioned is Philippe Rushton. Someone who was working at the university from Nineteen Seventy, seven to twenty twelve for those who are not familiar with Philippe Rushton. Remind us about who he was, and what was so problematic about his work. So even that question is hard for me to answer because the problem with Rushden is, he used pseudoscience fake science to promote racism. His varies were based on intelligence and Lincoln pissed degrees of intelligence to race. And his unscientific research was supported by the university, and that's what led to a lot of the harm that was done to students who attended the school then until today. It was racism under the guise of research and I. Hesitate to ask because I know it's. It's so difficult to go back to that time. But what was it like for you on a daily basis? The university created a climate at the school where we felt less than where we had our intelligence questioned where in every class we went to at that time, we were asked to defend ourselves to explain why Rushton was wrong. Do you know how humiliating and Dehumanizing Gut is? When you're in a classroom in? You're being asked questions about your own intelligence. It's the equivalent of being asked. How did you get here? Why are you here? We? We face that everyday and not only that we faced avert very extreme. Circumstances of racism, including one pair who had bananas taste to her dormitory door. Another one in a hazing process was taped to a cross, left outside across, and I can go on. It wasn't just that Rushton. Did this racist research? It's that he created a climate at the university that allowed people to express their racism in very hostile and direct ways that was western yesterday and Western is still the same way today. Will this group that you're that? You're a part of? There's an instagram pages while I was looking at it and some of the experiences that people are accounting our recent experiences. The use of the N. word scrawled on a wall or uttered in a classroom by professor. Absolutely part of the problem is they haven't created an environment that is diverse enough. That prevents these things from happening, and so when you're black and a student at Western, there's almost no representation in faculty in administration and what we're asking for thirteen different action items to change that, but also to prevent the type of pseudoscience, but they allow to happen from ever happening again. Because tell you the work that Rushton did is now seen as foundational work for you. Genesis and white supremacists globally, and that is a smear on this university. They allow that to happen. The current president of Western Alan Shepherd recently apologized for Russians work and the quote. Deep harm that has been experienced also made promises including to review policies on how the university responds to racist incidents and to hire a senior adviser to the president on diversity issues. What you make of those promises. I think that it's a baby. Step, the problem is. It doesn't include. A definitive measurable steps that can happen and when it will happen to make a difference, we're asking for very very specific things we want them to create a cause in their ethics. Review approval system to prevent funds from. Organizations like the Pioneer Fund that promote hate from giving money to the university. We really really want them to have a review system to make sure that this type of pseudoscience never happens again. How did you push through as a black young woman at that time? I. Don't know how to answer that question. I can tell you for sure is. Now, but I've connected with people. I went to school with thirty years ago. The conversations we've had are incredibly meaningful. Because what we've discovered is in spite of all of that harm that happened while we were at the university. We've succeeded. We've gone on to live very full lives, but what we all share is. A deep pain hasn't gone away. And what we all share is a commitment to changing the university for the future and I'll also say none of us have ever given a dine to university, nor will we give any money or our time or energy? Until things change has to change. Geraldine Marie. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you so much. Geraldine Maria is a member of the group black at Western. We reached her in New York, and you can find more on this story on our web page at CBC DOT CA. Slash as it happens. Blue. Maksim grenade was paddling. The waters of the Saint Lawrence when a pot of Beluga whale surrounded him. The Quebec paddler had never seen a Beluga and he was terrified, so he did what a lot of us would do in a moment like this. He pulled out his phone and recorded. Here's what it sounded like. Oh, my God. Oh, my God! Okay, here's the data. Now Beluga whales are known to visit that stretch of water around leases Cuma Quebec. Many hoped to catch a glimpse of the elusive gentle giants, but maximum gonyea didn't think anyone would believe him without evidence and here he is telling the story to CBC Quebec. Talking to my go fan on the phone just because I was. Pretty tight at about sending. Far Away but. Then I saw to those that were getting closer and closer so I hang up the phone and then I started to record about moment, and then when I saw about a thing gonNA swimming under my my paddle board I got kind nervous in the. Even scared as you can here on the video. At some point, they have been trying to push on the board, so Cana. I can realize I could finally end ended up in the water. And then that very cold water, so I got a bit nervous about that, but then I quickly realized as well they were. Very courteous and can have fun so. I don't think I was an endangered point there. The just WANNA play with up It's actually a little funny to hear you on the video sort of. Poison realized that ended up in the water. So it was like it was a moment or two where you weren't sure what might happen. Yeah, exactly and I I will ensure a of. Should I feel about this situation so? I I was hoping. For share was one of my dream. but then when it? Happens to you. You're not sure about how you should feel it all that. Should. I be scared and alone in the middle of a big launch forever was gonna I was GonNa Freak it out first and then I just realized uh I'm just very lucky, and I got to enjoy this moment as much as I can. Even better, if I can share that to other people that that would probably be dreaming of thought as well. That was maximum Gurney speaking with the CBC Susan Campbell after he had a surprise visit from some Beluga. Whales while paddling in the Saint Lawrence. The beaver could get crowded, but for people who loved the Divey Toronto. Bar, that was kind of the point shoulder to shoulder drag shows Trivia Nights. Karaoke performances are generally way more fun than the alternative, but they're also not terribly pandemic proof, and so the owners of the Toronto Lgbtq Bar have announced that what started as a temporary closure will be a permanent one. Adam callan worked as a manager at the BEAVER, and says the bars shut down a warning of what succumb. We reached Mr Callan in Toronto. Mr Cowan, what was the typical night at the beaver like? Usually it would be the dirtiest messy. The drag Queens. You'd ever seen. It would just be the same time very warm, welcoming, you would have. Like a no judgment, just every single type of person would would come to the beaver it just a warm and welcoming place and the. Do People really made it there? There was a lot of folks. Just putting out there weird and wonderful. Actually feed it via Nov who is also known as DJ dancing. Fill in the city posted about the beaver and wrote beaver. Toronto was where I found. My footing is a queer kid in Toronto. It's where I danced the hardest dress. The best met all of my favorite Weirdos and he goes on beyond that. What kind of memories does beaver hold for you? It was it was very formative for me like a a gave me my home I I don't think I would have. I would never have met so many of the great people if I worked there in there as patron, most weekends and I think it's hard to imagine what life and I think. A lot of paramount of folks would would-be without the place I know the founders of the beaver Lynn McNeil and we'll monroe really wanted to prove that lgbtq spaces could thrive outside of Toronto's Gay village. Why do you think that was so important? Bleed back in will will stay in there was. Parties. That were lgbtq weren't really happening outside of the village. Than not, so I'd say the village was. Predominantly like. What gay male space and what will did was. All types of genders and Were welcome and. With that, it was just sort of freedom that we're not tied to a certain location, not tied to a certain identity or anything. Are there any particular memories that that? Stay in your mind that you've been thinking about over these last few days? Yes, there was an actual wedding that occurred there. It was it was between A. One of our regular drag performers and it was. It was really beautiful. Men To is on. There's about forty or fifty of us all A. Most people dressed up in their drag garb. You know and Having having a drag queen as a the officiator and I guess having a wedding in a small little dive bar. It was really it was really special in bizarre. I loved it so much. You you've talked about how welcoming. It is and those kind of moments, but at the same time this was a place to party. So when we think of the logistics of that because we do think of these things in covid nineteen more now just how crowded and packed. Pubs and bars are so. What do you think business at the beaver would have looked like if physical distancing were being enforced. A think it just. It wouldn't be systematically possible. It's too small and then I guess part of the appeal. Yes, to the beaver was that everyone would be so cramped together just hip to hip. and. We can't really do that anymore. It's unsafe. It's doesn't make any. It wouldn't be able to stay in business. If. We had to cut capacity in half. It was always kind of a fine line anyway. So with realities that were in now. It's hard. What have you been hearing people since the permanent closure was announced. been getting so many heart feeling messages and I honestly didn't expect it to. Get this much outpouring, but it I think it's held a special place for a lot of people from quite a lot of generations to I didn't realize instagram had a max limit on how many stories you could share. Discovered that today? As people have been tagging their memories over the years. What's your sense of the types of places? That are closing because of covid nineteen. What kinds of places establishments is the city of Toronto losing? Do you think? I think it. Exasperated all the trends that we've been hearing about for years and. About this runaway real estate, and how neighborhoods get pushed out by the expensive rents and win a small little hole in the wall like ours. Is Hit with this then. There's just no way for for us to keep going and. kind of almost I feel like it's almost a death spiral of wiped why we live in cities. We live in cities because we're. We like to be near things. The events that are happening and I know we're like A. Pretty small community, but imagine imagine it's happening to a lot of different communities. Where and how do you think people will gather now? I mean people still wanNA dance and connect. Guess. It'll be. It'll be outdoor stuff for quite some time now, i. Thought. His interest is kind of a framework for how this works. It's almost now going out and meeting folks. It's Kinda got a view it as harm reduction. that. You're taking this risk just by being around a group of people. It's I think it's important to be around to still be around folks of course, but it's what you want to be able to see people in person we can't. Be like this forever, but it's. The vaccine. That's going to be the reality, right? In your statement announcing the beavers permanent closure, you wrote quote. A building is just a place, so are you hoping that one day you'll find a new place? That's the hope. Yeah, and I'm hoping it'll be larger better and bigger and be something for the community will really like well. Adam we hope you do find a new place. Maybe we'll chat with you. Then if and when that happens at encounter, I thank you for your time. Take Care, thank you. Adam Callan is a former staffer at the beaver in Toronto, which just announced its permanent closure due to covid nineteen. Sue Akil Augustine says. As soon as he read radicalized, he was reminded of the TV show Black Mirror with all its dire warnings about the perils and pitfalls of technology, but also with a with a side, helping of optimism that the show often lacks next week. The sports broadcaster will be looking for a win when he champions the book on Canada reads, and when he first met its author this year, he asked him about his vision for radicalized one that has become all the more timely since the battle of the books was postponed due to a certain pandemic. Here's Curry Dr Oh speaking to Mr Augustine. I work on all these abstract technical issues we mentioned. The book is about the these four novellas about people kind of taking control of their technology in difficult situations. Refugees ones, but a superhero ones about A. Ones about data watches his wife. You know, get cancer. That's treatable, but the insurance company won't treat you know all of these technical issues that underpin these stories. They're really abstract. They're really complicated and kind of boring right like. But the technical issues right, but like if I go to, you like well. Let's talk about circumvention of technical protection measures whether or not that should be limited to instances in which is bonafide copyright infringement. But if you tell me you're not gonNA, be able to use your toaster. That, this is going to be a means for wealth extraction. If you put the meat on the bones right if you take these dry, abstract questions, and you turn them into really vivid stories about people living and dying by them, then you not only create a sense of urgency for things that feel like they're a long way away and not very immediate in your life when you know, the world is on fire, but it also means that as these problems become Sherpur because. If you've no problem, it just gets worse. We gotTA vocabulary for talking about it. So that's what I'm trying to get at right I WANNA get people. All fired up about things that will eventually be on fire when they're still smoldering so that we're not all on fire when it's time to deal with them. Corey doctoroff is the author of radicalized a collection of four novellas that will be championed by sports broadcaster Keel Augustine. In next week's Canada reads debates moderated by yours truly to find out how to listen visit. CBC BOOKS DOT CA. com? So a fellow by the name of Johnny McFadden has recently made some important discoveries about human nature I. When you serve people drink. They change Mr. McFadden runs a pub in a small town in Cornwall Cornwall England, and he means an alcoholic drink. The change has to do with a person's ability to follow simple, but crucial rules such as keeping your distance fro the humans, so you don't worsen the spread of a global pandemic. His second observation is even more cutting. It's this. People are like sheep. And, so he's decided to treat the patrons who've been flocking to his star in Pub- accordingly by installing an electric fence. Inside the bar! Mr McFadden described it to. The BBC is just a normal electric fence that you would find in a field according to Mr. McFadden his customers find the electric fence amusing. But also according to Mr McFadden, his insurance broker does not word got back that the broker had told someone close to Mr, McFadden I hope he is not electrocuting people. I have to say I'm I'm with them on that one, but Mr McFadden is being coy about whether the fence is in fact turned on so far. No one has been willing to test it. Which I guess tells us something else about human nature. Most of us don't include being electrocuted on our list of fun things to do of an evening. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard Monday to Friday on CBC radio. One following the world at six. You can also listen to the show on the web. At CBC, dot Ca Slash Ah. Thanks for listening I'm cooks. All and I'm Ali Hassan. For more see PODCASTS GOTO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.