My Favorite Murder Presents: Tenfold More Wicked - Episode 1: All That is Wicked: The Schutts
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Author kate winkler dawson. We're sharing episode one with you right here in the my favorite murder feed an episode two and three of the podcast her out now so once you listen to episode one you can head right over. Tenfold more wicked to subscribe and listen to the next. Two episodes hate takes her listeners. On a gruesome trip through history with chilling campfire stories of true crime it's unique blending of narrative nonfiction storytelling with investigative journalism with a deep dive into the lives victims and killers and how they made history. The first season shares the real life saga of america's most intelligent killer a brilliant academic in gilded age new york city and asked the question. Is there something ingrained in our brains at birth that separates us from criminals. So enjoy this. First episode of this new six part season right here and then head over to tenfold. More wicked debenture episodes. Two and three were so excited about the show. So don't forget to subscribe to tenfold more wicked on stitcher apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen and if you like what hear pleas. Right kate review. We know that really matters and let them know that you like it by right view drive and liking it. You can follow app. Tenfold more wicked on instagram and facebook and at ten fold more on twitter. This story contains adult content language listener discretion is advised. Okay tell me what we're doing. This is a mock cemetery in snowville springs and this is where most of harriet scott family is buried cemetery. So some craig. Scott is leading me through a nineteenth century graveyard in upstate new york. We're searching for his relatives. A- generation of scutts who died almost a hundred and fifty years ago. I remember scotland. Plot is right over. There might be big there in the middle. It's below freezing and really windy. So i'm trying to carefully climb this hill. That's covered with thick snow. This definitely isn't the best time of year to do this. There are almost thirty. Scutts buried here. Most of them actually lived a pretty long time at least eighteen hundred standards. Help time some of the kids on this owned harriet who else. Tc gene william right. James and then ephraim are from. I can barely read four of the names but they are the reason why we're here. They were all murdered in eighteen. Forty five by a serial killer. This season is about then the story of the scots. They obviously were a very tight knit family and it was devastating to lose any but it's also about the man who spread hatred and death like a contagion through their family. He's the most intelligent known killer in america and his case left nineteenth century neuroscientists with a really controversial question. What if he and other killers weren't actually to blame for their crimes. What if their brains made them do it. They wanted the message. you know. This was not these people's folds that they had say gone off and killed somebody. They were suffering from a disease of the brain. But there's something even deeper here. This killer was complex because he was a genius and he can actually offer something to society. It was outside the mainstream cetera. Curly did no no lot and his brain might just save his life but he was absolutely horrible. I don't think he ever sees himself as a villain. There's no remorse. How would you describe him. Serial killer ruthless genius evil. I'm kate winkler does crime historian and author of the new book. American sherlock along with my first book death in the air i write stories about history and murder. And this is tenfold more wicked. Each season is a new case with new families at the center of it. I sort out the facts from the fables and family history. And i try to give them some kind of closure even if it does come more than a century later. This is our first season a horrifying true crime. Tale about america's own. Dr jekyll and mr hyde. This is dryden village in upstate. New york near ithaca. The first settler arrived here in seventeen ninety seven and it was eventually named after english poet. John dryden the small country village. They founded was quirky. Six mile creek was actually twenty miles long but the people who lived there were proud of their heritage. After the revolutionary war. The town became part of the military tract program. It was a government scheme that gifted each new york soldier hundreds of acres of land a type of payment for participating in the war the war of eighteen twelve drafted even more soldiers so more veterans came and some of its most notable early villagers were the scots. They were respected family. That was really well known for their contributions to the village but they were also known for the string of horrific murders in their family. Red light you can imagine this now lost snow on bravo. I'm a journalism professor at the university of texas and austin and now i've never really driven in the snow. It took me about an hour just to drive thirteen miles. From ithaca craig scott and i drive the back roads of dryden winding pass churches and fields to brookefield farm. This has been in his family for almost two hundred years. Another scutt kathy. Chadwick lives here with her son and her dog. Hannah ohana i wander around for awhile outside. Craig is a retired local businessman and politician who has lived off of scutt road for decades. The local cemeteries are filled with his ancestors. The scutt name rings royalty in dryden at least to me. He and cathy have hundreds of relatives in the county but they've never actually met most of them. What is it like to come from such a large family. I have two cousins vast family. We always run into people that we didn't know we were were part of a tree somewhere. I at least. I find that i went to the picnic a couple of years ago. And oh my word. Where did all this cuts come from. So it was a little surprising to me that the family was so extensive. The scots arrived in america. In the early sixteen hundreds from amsterdam they owned lumber mills clothing mills and thousands of acres of farmland. They felt blessed to be a part of such a close community. Gerald smith is a historian and nearby broome county and an expert on small town life in the eighteen hundreds. Everybody knows everybody else. Everybody would go over and help the neighboring farmer or two or three farms down. If there was a problem the barn burned down. There's a barn. Raising the family's patriarch in eighteen. Forty two was john scott. He was a fifty five year old decorated veteran in the war of eighteen twelve. John own this house which looks really small from the outside. But it's two stories with four bedrooms and a large basement a pretty impressive eighteen forties house that has stayed in the scott family for generations. A well with original slate stone sits just feet from the house. A murder of crows lives in a massive willow tree nearby. I can remember as a child coming out here to visit. It's not a bad thing to hang on a little bit to the past john. Scott was cathy chadwick's great great. Great grandfather he became a well known schoolteacher in dryden a leader in the village he was highly intellectual and very hard working and a little strict told me about the family. Valley's well perseverance stubborn. It's right up there on top of the list. My grandfather used to say man's only as good as his word could give somebody your word. Make sure you keep it. He always was stressing that yeah and that was something that i did as well and commitment to each other. Henry scott was john and hannah's second eldest child henry was trusting. His mother and father had raised their five girls and seven boys to always welcome the wandering men who stumbled onto their farm. Because the scots were really known for inviting people in their home was always open to anybody that needed a place to stay or passersby could come in and spend the night her get her meal that they were just that kind of people and so that leads. You to be pretty trusting. Yes you have to be to do that. Henry scott had become used to meeting laborers searching for work along the canal. The twenty-seven-year-old worked on a packet a small shallow vessel. That carried writers between stops along. The waterway passengers stepped on and off along the route between albany on the hudson river and buffalo at lake erie local reporter david ren has studied the region's history extensively so in that day and age with the canal than the boats and the traffic Go was was quite busy. So there were a lot of strangers coming. And going when henry scutt docked briefly and syracuse may of eighteen forty two a man stroll down the path caught his eye and then soon gripped his hand. He seemed about. Henry's age early twenties with dark gleaming eyes and a quick smile. He seemed cheerful. Henry gave him a silent evaluation. The man's name was edward off. People are attracted to people who are intelligent brana guy. His personality was charming when he was charming. The man was wasn't particularly tall just under five foot nine but he was solid with broad shoulders and a compact body the model for canal laborer. Henry noticed that he didn't smell like alcohol he also seemed well groomed not at all. The shoveled like the other workers and were promised he would be reliable. He said he needed a job on the canal. Just for a bit. He had been a clerk at a hardware store but now he was out of work. He hoped to begin teaching career in a country village. Soon he loved books on history and philosophy. He knew many different languages. Edward her shirt henry that his work ethic would help him educate many young students. He had noble intentions. He said. Edward proved to be a godsend for henry when they approached the towpath. Edward hop out and wade through the muddy water to guide the boat and its passengers. The men became good friends. Edward was so incredibly. Nice personality was everything. I think he really would them. And when it came time for henry to return to his family's home the boatmen asked his assistant to come along. They set off on horseback together. Both looking forward to their new friendship but soon both men were call that chance encounter on the passenger boat with bitterness regret and sorrow henry. Scott didn't know it yet but he was traveling through the countryside with a devil but for now the pair road happily together toward dryden. No one in that village could know how much how one man could bring along with him. When edward rule off arrived at brookefield farm in may of eighteen forty two john and hannah scott welcomed him into their home. He was hardworking friendly and he seemed committed to starting a teaching career. Edward happily chopped wood in the barn fed the horses and did other odd jobs in exchange for room and board. He even played with the kids. The couple had three children under the age of ten. John watched the twenty-three-year-old read late into the night by his oil lamp. Edward was clearly bright and very ambitious are the things that are fascinating about him. As a person his mastery of language he certainly wrote beautifully. He was well versed. In latin greek french and german among other disciplines he could recall the latin names for all the flora and fauna in the county. His penmanship was gorgeous. John was an incredibly respected teacher. So we decided to help. He asked a neighbor. If edward could teach some classes at the man's house not an uncommon practice in rural communities in the eighteen hundreds soon local families began sending their students to edwards. Select school. what do you think the family thought of him. Well he was very intelligent so they were probably impressed by that. These families knew nothing about him. He just seemed so sincere. David brin says that people in the countryside had blind faith in just about everybody seems to me people fall for the snake oil salesman. They actually enjoy this nag oil salesman. Actually they didn't have blind faith in everyone. John scott treated edward politely but with some reservation he did not trust. Immigrants and edward said he was german historian h w brands says that john's concern was typical for someone in a small village in the nineteenth century. It's been a theme american history to feel as though whoever the lays immigrants are they represent a threat to the american way of life and so when germans started arriving in large numbers in the eighteenth century even pretty open minded. People like benjamin franklin thought that they're just not assimilating. They're not gonna make good americans. But edward rule seem to want to assimilate. He wore clothes from the area to look like other villagers. He didn't speak german only english. He hit his accent. Gerald smith says that villagers accepted edward because he wanted to be an american to strangers embraced. If they're speaking english. Without max out if they're going to protestant church if you're white if you're a male is essentially yes in the eighteen forties. America's landscape was changing but it was still mostly rural and academics. Were not a most students in the countryside. Only completed eighth grade before they began working fulltime to help support their families but the scud strongly believed in educating their children including the girls so they enrolled their two eldest daughters and edwards classes. John scott the young teacher would become a trusted mentor. He was so much more intelligent than the other villagers. Everyone in dryden seem to trust him. So john scott his suspicions for now. What a dreadful mistake. Sixteen year old. Harriet was a beauty tall slender with long thick. Light brown hair pale skin and hayes lies. She was studious too serious about her schoolwork. She knew that not all girls in the countryside. Were given an opportunity to be educated. But craig scott says. Harriet seems like an innocent sixteen year old. She was a very bright young lady in her own right attractive. I think she made been same kind of naive about men harry. It was devoted to her family especially her parents. Edward smiled at her as he glanced over her work lying on her school desk he piled would in the small stove during the winter. Storms determined to keep her warm almost from the beginning. He complimented her looks. She grinned and flirted back by the fall of eighteen. Forty three a year later. It was clear that harriet and edward were determined to be married. Edward's career appeared to be thriving. He was still teaching and dryden but he was also apprentice. Sing with a botanical doctor. In ithaca he was learning how to treat patients with herbs and roots yet. The scott still knew little about the girl's suitor and edwards. Growing status wasn't a comfort at all to harry. His older brother ephraim or the rest of the family edwards seemed so unstable at times when he was calm his voice was mellow even a little indifferent. As he described his love of academia he was lively and animated but when he was upset his tone became shrill and harsh and he liked to play mean tricks on the boys in his schoolhouse. It's really kind of an amazing. It's almost as if the three faces of eve. He had more than one clear personality. You just didn't want to be around him when he was unpleasant. If harriet became too flirty with another man edward might scowl at the girl then quickly turn cold and when harriet finally apologized he would flash wolf fish half grin to show. He was that she had relented. He seems like what you would call an incredible dr assists. It's all about him. The universe is around him. That was michael weiss a linguistics professor at cornell university. He studied edwards story for quite a while. I'll explain more about that later. By december of eighteen forty three all of the men inherits family were frustrated. The wedding day was almost here. Hurry it had eight brothers and none of them liked edward. The brothers approached. harriet delicately. There's something not quite right about him. They pleaded to her but she absolutely refused to abandon her fiance and she was furious at her brother's for trying to turn her against him. Ephraim scott was exasperated and he did the only thing he could. He demanded character references from pass life. People who might be able to explain his curious personality positive testimonials might provide some comfort to an increasingly alarmed family and was insulted and he was outraged at the notion that his professional reputation wasn't enough to gain passage into this family. It's just that. Obviously he held a vendetta. He decided he didn't like you. Edward would later complained to a friend. They were an ignorant ordinary sort of family. He said they were always bickering and backbiting each other. Such as is always the case. In large families of country people are was not used to such tattling and telltale deceit he vigorously and nearly violently refused. Fm's request he couldn't offer any personal references to comfort them. Not even one. He didn't have any close friends. Edward rule off would only ever reveal things about his life to just one person years later. He secretly confided in a small town journalist named hamilton freeman. Most people call them ham. Their relationship would become very important later on but for now him served as his sounding board. Edward would later tell him about his engagement to harriette. He said some of the family tried to kick up a hell of a row about it. And that made me angry with the whole concern and i have never forgotten their taunts and insults. Disgusted only understood whoever rule off really. Was they certainly would have banished him from heriot's life and then forced him out of that small village. Scott i think were very community minded need been in trouble even at a younger age up there so he certainly values more at least they weren't expressed in his actions Beautiful snow blanketed the main house on scott farm. The massive maple tree sitting near was bare of its customary. Orange leaves him walk. Lay under the snow this winter. In upstate new york. It might seem like an odd time of year to host a wedding but perhaps the season was appropriate considering the chill felt inside the farmhouse. That day it was new year's eve eighteen forty three. No one seemed happy for the wedding ceremony and edwards synced it. John scott told his sons that hurry. It was lost now. He said he washed his hands of the crime if she chose to marry that foreigner. Heriot's family disgusted edward. He cringed when the scots joked about how he met henry that day on the canal. They thought they could make a tool a sort of serving out of me. Because i was poor and they picked me up at the canal his desperation to keep harry kept him quiet for now but even days before the wedding. His relationship with the entire scutt family was acrimonious. He later complained to him. They called me up hopper and made fun of my managers. I knew i was better than they and that my family was far superior. Craig scott says. He's not surprised by any of those comments. He was cocky was overbearing. He talked down to the family at time she because he thought he was so much more intelligent than any of them. Nevertheless edward rule awesome marriage to harriet. Scott took place in a beautiful winter ceremony on her family's farm. The flames of candles stuttered the cast. Iron woodstove crackled warming the house. Her eleven siblings stood around harriet. Edward looked around the room. None of his family was there. He never bothered to tell his two younger brothers and the most important woman in his life his mother had died the same month he had arrived in dryden which was a shame because his seventeen year old bride looked so striking that day. Edward would later admit to ham that the marriage wasn't beginning with a strong foundation. There never was much of any courtship or love about it. We rather slid into it. Edward admired harriet. Her white silk dress. He noticed someone else admiring her to her cousin. Doctor henry bull watched the ceremony. Edward grumbled as the physicians strut around the property smiling and chatting. He seemed to friendly with the scott women. He always insisted on kissing each one of them on the cheek. Any liked to visit with them every week. Dr bowl apparently was very likable. Everybody liked him and apparently he inherited were very close cousins edward paced around the kitchen after his ceremony and then stopped and stared. He watched harry. Receive a kiss from dr bull as they stood together in the pantry. She still in her wedding dress. Edwards scoffed at the notion that the small was virtuous. This was different. Dr bull was handsome wealthy and single quite a threat to a new husband during an era when wooing was common. But craig scott believes it really was an innocent kiss. Harry tried to reassure him that that just wasn't happening. And i think some of the rest are family even said to him she wouldn't do that. It was jealousy because he was a threat. Yeah he was definitely a he's perceived him as a threat his marriage into his life and were quietly walked away never saying a word he was very angry said a friend. He said he would never take her anywhere again. I imagine that my wife liked him better than she did me edwards said. I was wild all sorts of ideas and plans pass through my head. After a few days matters grew worse. They had already been difficult for him right after the ceremony. The minister leaned over and kissed harriet. Edward was furious. The next day harry. It's brother william would marry his fiancee. Amelia and the same minister would kiss her to edward later turned to a friend and mumbled that if he were a woman he would murder the minister for being disrespectful. Those women have ignored their vows. He hissed privately and were berated his new bride and hit her several times over the next few weeks a hurry it was inconsolable. William scott's wife. Amelia wants found her sobbing alone room. She didn't eat for days. The family worried the girl might have made a grave mistake but nineteenth century rules dictated. That wives should obey their husbands and in laws shouldn't get involved. Edward was desperate to keep. Were under control. Craig scott says that at this point. His relatives were really losing patience. He was jealous of doctoral several witnesses times when he struck her. I think that was the last straw for the family days after his wedding. Edward continued to fume unsure of what to do. He hoped that swab. Dr bull would stop his visits. Of course he didn't win. Dr bull would arrive and begin his greetings. Edward excuse himself and quietly stu his ego was already pretty delicate and now it was scarred and soon someone would die. Within one week of their marriage ever packed up their meager belongings and moved his wife away from her family hurried and edward began a new life and lansing about ten miles away. He bought a large old store and converted it into a home soon. He was enjoying professional success. He was practicing botanical medicine with dr stone. In nearby ithaca. He was learning the age old method of treating diseases with herbs and other organic medicines medical treatment in nineteenth century america was a battleground between traditional physicians who were formally educated and botanical doctors who were largely taught through apprentice ships. Edward passionately defended medicine during really nasty debates with dr bull. The men had no professional respect for each other of course but privately. Edward feared that the botanical concoctions. Were useless and dr stoned was a quack and now so was he a damned fraud. I was ashamed of myself. He told hamilton freeman. I only undertook it as a flyer. Until i could get into something else. That was more profitable and legitimate but edwards reputation as a physician was exceptional. He was gaining prominence as a scholar and a healer who spoke of variety of languages. An edwards character according to townspeople was beyond reproach but despite his booming medical practice edward felt really isolated in the countryside. He for an academic life in a large city where he could find intellectual debates and stimulating collaborations. He was a fraud as a physician in a monster at home. Edwards rage poisoned his home life. Harriet would argue with him. Usually over visiting her family he would dramatically fling open. A suitcase hurled close inside slam. It shut and stomp out the door threatening to leave her a disgraced woman he ripped her beautiful silk wedding dress and frantically wanted it into a ball. He was afraid she was going to use it to marry dr bull but throughout all of this madness. Harriet denied it all somewhat older more experienced. You're married and you make the best of it and you do it at seventeen. Harriet was barely an adult yet. She worked constantly to please her husband. Typical for nineteenth century bride. I think she really wanted to make her marriage work. You know there's times when she could have said. I'm through in her brothers. Were somewhere around. And they would have taken her somewhere but it was always. Oh it's my fault. I'm sorry you know anybody caught it. She was always apologizing. It's my fault that he hit me or he didn't hit me. That hard harry. Its large honest. Family now despised edward rule off and they found good reasons during a visit to the scots farm. One of harry's older brothers heard her crying softly in bedroom when he threw opened the door. Ed were turned and glared at him in silence. Tears ran down harry face. He witnessed him being abusive in new toll. Rule off with us will look after her an- sure that in reached even more. They were religious people and they had a lot of good morals and striking. A woman was not a good thing in their view ephraim scott's snapped at his brother-in-law demanding that he treated harriet properly or just lever with the family pick one. Edward quietly agreed to temper himself but privately he blamed the scutts and that summer has animosity toward them only deepened. The horseback trip from dried into ethica was usually lovely ten miles of fields filled with wheat and cotton spotted with rolling hills and patches of forest. It was a time for the writers to reflect on their journey. Almost like a meditation. Unfortunately for william scott that was not the sort of journey he would enjoy when his hysterical brother-in-law joined him on horseback in july eighteen. Forty four heriot's weary. Older brother half listened as edward rule off obsessed for hours. He complained about enduring. Six months of dr bowls inappropriate flirtations with his wife. William later remembered the conversation he thought dr bull and his wife had had intercourse together and he thought he should lever edward now despise dr bull. He said he had spotted harrier with her cousin at a mill near brookefield farm and it seemed like they might kiss again. He told her friend. Don't you see her. Life is in my hands. William scott patiently listened to edwards complaints. He frantically pleaded for the family to stop. Dr bulls visits right. Now that william refused any offered no sympathy. Edward was furious at williams disloyalty. How could william defend. Dr bull abandoned his own brother-in-law. He was a gifted teacher who had dazzled college professors with his understanding of languages but now he couldn't calm zone anxiety. Edward obsessed with the idea of killing. He was gonna kill someone many people actually. He's confusing to me and he was the boogeyman of state new york. He's not confusing to me. He's a cycle. Harriet scott and her sister. Jane were always close. They were just two years apart and both were edwards students when he taught at the dryden schoolhouse a few years earlier he really. Isn't that unpleasant. Jane argued to her family. He's a good provider but her view of her brother-in-law would quickly darken less than six months after the couple was married. Edward listened as jane and her sister chatted in their small kitchen in lansing. Harriet lifted a heavy twenty pound marble pedestal and ports of pepper corns into a large stone. Mortar james scott described. What happened next. She didn't pound fine enough to suit him. She said he proposed to do it for her. Edward was determined to control virtually every aspect of his wife's life. He lunch toward the pistol but hurry pushback insisting she could finish the job. She was really growing tired of his demands. Frustrated edwards snatched the heavy pestle and flung it against her face. Jane flinched. It knocked her back. Several steps said harriet sister. Edward had hit her so hard that it left a contusion on her forehead chain stood in silence as he began to apologize over and over again. I'm sorry he pleaded with her. You did it on purpose. Harriet snapped she refused to look at him. They're unstable marriage was slipping into open hostility and now edward realize how delicate his wife really was and how easy. It might be to overpower her the summer after their marriage. The rule off stayed at a boarding house over a tailor shop in ethica harry. It's eleven year old sister. Mary was visiting and her uncle. William was supposed to pick her up before it became dark but hurry. It's brother was running late and was furious. He wanted young mary to leave now. The scots were insensitive. Always taking advantage of him. He thought edward demanded. Mary walk home to dryden about ten miles away all by herself. He was so angry. He started shoving mary toward the stairs. He seemed cruel. Harriet refused to let her walk home alone. Edward stared at his wife. He demanded harry follow him to the upstairs bedroom on the top floor. They argued in landlady in the parlor heard scuffling perry. It was screaming. Come quick edward is going to make me take poison and then take it himself. Edward inherit work clinched together wrestling over a vial with a strange powder inside. He yelled at her by living god. This poisoned will kill both of us in five minutes and that would put an end to our troubles. She cried out. Oh edward i'm as innocent as an unborn child. He opened his hand and smacked her heart in the face. It knocked her over. Edward look down at her and hissed. God damn you. You know better than to come near me. When i am as angry as i am now. He unleashed a stream of obscenities. Sure to offend anyone especially a naive young country girl. The landlady glared edward and ordered him to leave. He stared down at harriet and sneered. He told her that if she left him he would kill her the way. A local shoemaker had murdered his wife just a few years before in eighteen thirty to a man named getting clogged nearly knocked out his wife's i during a fight and when she convinced deputies and ethica to arrest him he vowed. I'll kill you for this and after serving just ten days. That's what he did. He had her to death with an axe. Edward actually called clerk a gentleman. He told harriet he would chop her. As fine as mincemeat. It was such a frightening declaration but unfortunately hurry. it didn't seem to take it seriously. She looked at him. Sweetly edwards seemed exhausted. He flopped down on his knees with his forehead resting on the bed. Harriet sat near him and put her hand gently on his hair. She whispered your mind forever. Dear edward whether you live with me or not. Edward looked up at her then slowly walk downstairs and ordered horse carriage. He escorted harriet and mary. Back to the scots farm craig. Scott doesn't believe his family knew. Just how much. Edward rule despised them. I think that must have been kind of the straw. That broke the camel's back with him. I'm going to show her. You can't do that by then. He had built up this apparent hatred for the whole family and he did not want her. Go back to them and leave him later. Edward return to the boarding house and ethica and he was enraged. William scott had ordered him to leave brookfield farm. He was no longer welcome. And then. Edward told the landlady something horrifying. He told her that he wanted to destroy the whole family. And then be hung like an honest man by clark. Edward resented the entire clan. But he was especially disgusted with the eldest scutt. Brother he hated william as much as he did his own wife. And dr bull and soon at least one of them would die. This season on tenfold more wicked. There's a story about him taking her away and her turning around and waving and that's the last memory like her mother and some of them had of her is sort of a woke. 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