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From npr and wbz. I'm callum borders. And i'm tanya moseley. It's here now. It's day two in these second impeachment trial of former president. Donald trump house impeachment manager. Jamie raskin kick things off by laying out the case against him. Trump incited the january sixth attack and when his mob overran and occupied the senate an attack the house and assaulted law enforcement. He watched it on. Tv like a reality show. He reveled in it and he did nothing to help us as commander-in-chief instead he served as the insider in chief we're joined now by npr. Congressional correspondent kelsey snell for the latest and kelsey. We heard from representative raskin there. He pointed to trump's comments and tweets. What else did he and the rest of the prosecution say. I think it's really interesting that raskin actually told Parents and teachers who are watching today That they should watch with children because this is going to be a day full of videos that may be graphic and language. that may be graphic. we saw You know this isn't a an argument from democrats were. They are trying to tie the actions of the rioters and the common to the president directly together and build a case that president trump is not just a person on the street expressing political speech as The as his attorneys have said but that he is a person in power who is inciting violence and that speech is not protected by the constitution. the lead manager raskin said that if you're president of the united states you choose a side with your oath of office and if you break it. Then impeachment is the main form of recourse. Democrats also laid out an emotional case yesterday. They played a graphic video of The january six insurrection. I'm interspersing trump's speech with the actions of the rioters breaching the capital barricades assaulting police battering down congressional doors. How did senators react to this video. Did it really change the tone of the proceedings. It was an extremely emotional video and it was. It was something that you know. Some senators said they found difficult to watch and that you know this was. This is a moment that we're going to see repeated over and over as democrats don't want this to be an argument just about the process and about whether or not republicans view this as a constitutional trial. They want this to be about those reactions about the way that trump spoke and the way the rioters behaved and they really want like. I said to be connecting the dots there now. Republicans said it was very moving. But it didn't really sway anybody except for one person in terms of voting about the constitutionality of west of this trial. So we still have a majority of republicans who believe that the foundation of having a trial at all of trying president. Who's no longer in office. They say that is unconstitutional. And that is the basis on which they are entering. All of the arguments were willing to see if the next several days but as you said six. Republicans did join democrats to vote. The trial could move forward yesterday including louisiana. Senator bill cassidy who hadn't supported the trial before. Do you know or has. He said anything about why he changed his mind. Yeah cassidy put out a statement after his vote and said that simply. The democrats made a better argument that he thought that they were convincing. That this was a constitutional trial and he didn't feel the president's lawyers made as as good of a case Their side that it was unconstitutional. He did caution though in that statement that his vote on the constitutionality of the impeachment does not speak to how he will vote on conviction so he left. Open the possibility that this may be a constitutional trial but he may not in the end. Feel that it rises to a moment of convicting on impeachment. I mean he's not the only one. There's been a lot of criticism of trump's defense team. Republicans have openly panned a rambling speech by the defense lawyer. Trump himself is reportedly unhappy with him. How are they going to regroup. While they do have two days to regroup they have two days to kind of rethink their strategy. We did hear them say. We heard cascais in his presentation yesterday that they were already re-thinking things after seeing the video. The democrats put together so they have two days now or democrats will have the stage entirely to themselves where they will be able to set up these videos where they will have that moment of going into people's living rooms on live television and reminding them and the senators in the room who are hearing these arguments of the day and then there will be a break. There will be an overnight and then they will be able to argue fresh so that's something that republicans are expected to use to their advantage. That's npr congressional correspondent. Kelsey snell is always thank you so much. thank you for having me. Let's go now to california's bay area where a string of assaults against senior citizens has alarmed. People in oakland's chinatown a monday police announced they arrested a man who is now facing multiple charges. Video of one attack shows a ninety one year old man being violently pushed to the ground. A local prosecutor is investigating whether the assaults were racially motivated. Hate crimes against asian-americans have risen sharply during the coronavirus pandemic the stop. Asian american and pacific islander eight organization recorded one hundred and twenty six incidents involving victims between march and december the recent violence and lindsay. Chinatown follows several thefts in the neighborhood. Some business leaders are asking oakland police for assistance and for citizen patrols for more. We're joined by julie chang from member station k. Q. e. d. in san francisco and julie. The suspect now in custody is accused of assaulting multiple people in a single day. What do we know about him. Well we know that. The oakland police department arrested and charged the man involved in the incident earlier this week. He was charged with assault elder abuse and among other things What we don't know the motive so the motive hasn't been released yet and there have been other attacks right on elderly residents in the bay area. There was an eighty four year old time in killed just a couple of weeks ago. what do we know about this pattern of other assaults. The commonality between all the violent attack seems to be that they're seemingly unprovoked. We're not sure why these attacks are happening. But we do know that They're happening at a time. When anti asian sentiments are high you know ever since the start of the pandemic The other commonality that a lot of these attacks are getting captured on camera. You know there was one person. I spoke with an oakland. I asked him why he thinks. The two incidents have gotten such national attention. He said it reminded him of the george floyd video now. Of course we don't want to complete the two or three videos. You know in the george floyd video with the man getting killed by police officers. Who are supposed to protect them I think the commonality though is that the attacks on elderly asians is something that the asian american community has known about for a long time. Just like the black community has said time and again that members of their community are targeted by police. So people have to pay attention to them. The video component does seem significant. There's something that really seems to grip the public when when you see it with your own eyes Julian addition to the violent attacks. We've also seen some thefts. We've heard karl chan. Who is president of the oakland chinatown chamber of commerce calling for an increased police presence in the neighborhood. What are you hearing from the community. I mean is that in general what folks want. They want more police in the neighborhood. So we're seeing a division between two groups. The first group wants to theme more police presence and the their second group does not this. Interestingly this divide also seems to be generational the older asian american generations are like we need more police to deter crime but then we have like the younger generations who are arguing for community investment to disrupt criminal behavior. They want more restorative justice. Also interesting about this conversation to. Is that the group that doesn't want more. Police is essentially accusing the other group. That does of seeing the asian american community as a monolith. So it's like one. Asian group telling the other asian group were not all the fame and so more police doesn't necessarily equal to more safety for those particular individuals and for folks who feel that way we've seen some saying an alternative would be a form of citizen patrol or a neighborhood watch to start circulating in the streets. What's what's driving that. Is it mistrust of the police are just feeling that law enforcement is is to slow. You know it's the ladder. So i looked at several people in chinatown who've complained that ocd or the oakland police department is right by chinatown But any time that they call in a robbery or an attack police come hours later. You know there's also been a lot of conversations about chinatown feeling forgotten. And that's why we have a lot of these patrol group. The volunteer patrol groups forming But then there's also been discussions about whether or not the volunteer patrol. Groups are a good idea. there's going to be a few groups and that ultimately because it's the stomach races because of just the way people are fed up they're going to be profiling black people brown people for crimes that they didn't commit and we have seen law enforcement become a contentious issue among city officials as well right we've seen fingerpointing between mayor libby schaaf and some city council members over a proposal to cut twenty five million dollars from the oakland police budget. I was playing out. You know the people. I spoke with an oakland told me that police presence had decreased in chinatown long before discussions of defunct. Opd even started. And then when i spoke with carl chan he had told me that he just doesn't want to see politics getting involved. He just wants to look for solutions and ways to move forward so that we can help the chinatown community instead of politicians. Throwing blame each other. Those julie chang for member station k. Q. e. d. in san francisco. Julie thank you. Thanks for having me. We are now into the second day of former president. Trump's impeachment trial in the senate and it's widely expected that trump will be acquitted because most republicans will likely vote to acquit. Our next guest says. That's because those opposed to institutions have a strong grip on the gop and if that continues it could have dire consequences for our democracy. Professor william hall is a political scientist at the university of chicago. Harris school of public policy and co author of presidents populism and the crisis of democracy professor. How welcome good to be with you as you watch the impeachment trial. What are you listening for. In their language how they justify their votes and what this really tells us about the republican party. Well i think what we're seeing right. Now is a kind of widespread active faith by the republican party to continue to stand by trump. We've seen nobody expects the conviction to get the vote for conviction to get up to the requisite sixty seven and while much was said about the ten republicans in the house who voted with all of the democrats to impeach. Less was said about the fact that over one hundred ninety republicans voted against impeachment. That this very much remains a party. That's willing to stick with with trump and with the populist a claims and postures he assumed. Yeah and so i mentioned i. I mentioned your argument about the anti institutional hold on the republican party. Your argument is that this leaves only one major party. The democrats thinking critically about sustaining well-functioning institutions or creating or reforming new ones. What are the ramifications of this for our country the ramifications are really dire our democracy is on its heels that levels of faith in our institutions are low. We've seen administrative state that's hollowed out. The tremendous amount of work that needs to be done in order to rebuild and reconstitute our democratic institutions. And as long as we have a major party in the throes of populism and right wing populism then the other remaining party that isn't always going to have the right answers that is itself riven with cleavages. Tone doesn't have a party with a partner with which to work to set to work on. These challenges are just a little bit. I wanna parse that out just a just a bit you know the argument from republicans on this is that they are very much purists. I mean patriots. Even in the case of whether president trump and cited an insurrection. They're referencing the constitution directly. What do you say to that. Well i think there's both sides reference the institutions for their own shooting the constitution for their own kind of political purposes in a variety of ways. A thing to note here is that populism as scholars understand it is a profoundly anti-democratic force in our politics that because the language of populism is to say that everything is rigged. Everything is broken. Everything is stolen. That's the language that trump assumed throughout his presidency it justifies his emergence on the scene in two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen but the there isn't then turn constructive action. There isn't a turned to say. Okay things are broken now. Let's try to fix them instead. Effort is to continue to so outrage. So disaffection in undermined the independence and the and the operational functioning of our institutions and in that sense to the extent that those forces in our politics have taken hold of a major party it becomes incredibly difficult to do the hard work of reimagining the institutions breathing new life into our institutions that govern. Our public lives as you. You you alluded to earlier as you're saying that democratic's The democratic party doesn't have all the answers. What they're looking for is a a partnership. Do you have any concerns that a wing of the democratic party could also go in another direction of becoming more populist or anti 'institutionalised well i think we have examples of left-wing populism that we can point to in other countries particularly in latin america. There's a long history of left wing populism given the co little show coalition makeup of the democratic party. Likely to take hold here. At least now that there aren't anti-democratic small democratic strains of the coalition of the democratic party ways sort authoritarianism in grievance an anger and disaffection of taken hold of an important segment of the republican party. So i think it's less likely but i'll say again. The work of institution building is really hard work. And a polarized era. When you have one p- one party that simply not particularly interested in undertaking that work in good faith way. The chances of us doing you know undertaking the effort to needed to save. Our democracy are really undermined. President trump was able to gather such a following because of his criticism of the government parts of which he called the deep state. And a lot of americans. Don't feel like the government is functioning. Well for them. I mean you've sort of laid out a road map of what should be done. But what reforms do you think in the immediate need to happen. So in our book. That are at with terry Point to reimagine presidency and really reconstituting the powers of the presidency with an eye toward building a more effective government. A government that actually can speak in a meaningful way to the anger and grievance and disaffection that many many americans feel so what would that reimagine presidency look like has to do with decreasing the president's ability to politicize the administrative state rethinking the president's involvement in the legislative arena by giving the president a certain measure of agenda setting power their host a particular institutional forms. We got to get rid of the pardon. We lay these out in in the book but it really gets down to kind of re imagining the presidency and the role that the president plays in our system separated towers. Professor william howell is a political scientist at the university of chicago harris school of public policy. Thanks for this conversation. It was great to talk to you and now to me and more where tens of thousands of people are demonstrating across the country for a fifth day following a military takeover of the democratically elected government. Last week chan a is with the bbc's burmese service and joins us now from yang and yang protests. Like this are not common me in mar and yet large crowds are out in the street flying red balloons and wearing red. The color of on suit cheese party describe what the scene has been like in recent days. More people are coming out on the streets. Since last saturday i the protests actually started on social media by the regime cut off all the internet and also ben facebook and then after that the people here have no options but to take the trees. Because there's a growing campaign call a civil disobedience campaign. They're like all the government's tough to stop walking and to come out and join the protests so far it works all the major businesses even the private one the allow on this tough to join the protests and their main object is actually is to keep this movement alive in order to shut down the coupe government so the protesters also thinking about ways to abide confrontations with the security forces. Just yesterday we already that. The police use some forces against demonstrator in naypyidaw the capital city the administrative capital and also the mentally at the second largest city off the country which just details there. We've seen reports that There are pro military counter protesters as well and to your point. Police have been using water cannons and rubber bullets to disperse protesters. At least one woman was shot with live rounds during a protest in the capital. so are the protesters. You're encountering worried that the military could escalate this crackdown. Yes the allman with fit. The headshot is now in critical condition. And then she has five percent to survive so how family today make a press conference and then told media that she is now in her. Thomas it so demostrate is more coming out onto the streets are but their technique is like demonstrations. Happy hell in front of foreign embassy including juice and also is united nations office because it is safer for them and the notice of international diplomats the but today we don't see any sign of forces from the security forces and sonia. Then do we know anything about on shoe cheese whereabouts or or her condition. Because it's been a week now since the military seized power claiming election fraud without evidence and arrested. The country's democratically elected leaders just as a new session of parliament was set to begin. So you're describing these scenes of protesters coming out in support of amazon suci. Do they have any information about her. We understand that She s trying to get the lawyer and the mid lawyer himself ethically didn't feel chance to meet her. But we understand that She is now under house arrest. How party members close to hard residents the announced that she is in good health and then it got spirit but we cannot hear any direct message from her so still some missing information and access their yang chen. A burmese service is in young. The thanks so much for bringing us the latest support for here and now and the following message come from sudi. Why spent months coating when you can build powerful customized applications in days zuhdi offers an affordable solution to build apps for your business apps that integrate into all your current systems and data sources and you're zuhdi subscription always includes unlimited apps and unlimited users learn more at zoom dot com. My name is peter. Segal and i'm here to interrupt your very serious. Npr podcast to tell you about another npr podcast. 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In fact the very very few documented cases globally not just domestically. Let's bring in here and out transportation analysts. Seth kaplan to talk more about this in your reaction to delta. Ceo does does he actually have a point here. Well he's sort of two different points there right. The one about as you mentioned taking tests away from sick people and then the what he says is minimal spread on airplanes taking that first point i Look if the cdc says we should do this then you have the health. Authorities presumably having taken into account the availability of tests and deciding that this is good for the public overall. And i'm not sure that delta would be better position in the cdc to decide that in terms of spread on airplanes. He's right that there have been very few documented cases. Keep in mind. Tanya not every case and in fact many cases you don't know where they came from but sort of two issues with travel. I is it really spreading very much on airplanes. No strong evidence that it is second just the movement of people around the world. Which of course has helped spread the virus. Well if the biden administration actually goes through with this what will it mean for airlines in the broader travel industry from a logistical and financial standpoint. Well you have the direct cost of it. And i'm sure airlines would see this. As essentially an unfunded mandate right they would say okay. Who's gonna pay for this. And and that very well might end up getting covered a by an aid package but beyond that you have the impact on travel demand right. Would this discourage people from travelling and would it. Just make it more of a hassle to travel. So i i'm sure when delta and others who who feel that way talk about their concerns that's part of what they're taking into account there they just basically feel. Hey lights already hard enough for us something else. Delta is is the only us airlines still blocking most middle seats on its flights to the other airlines. Really have no choice but to book middle seats. Have they found it. It doesn't actually matter much in terms of virus spread well economically. They've found that. Look the people who are traveling or probably the people who are least risk averse and the people who would be most concerned about sitting in the middle seat or about sitting next to somebody who's in a middle seat without even that little bit of separation are likely the people who just aren't travelling anyway so it's it's certainly a calculation although the stance they take publicly is look the with a middle seat eighteen inches. That's not six feet anyway. That's not true social distancing anyway. So they say it's basically a pr move united. in fact i've said that directly and not something that actually prevents the spread of the virus. A lot to watch for and what the biden administration will do this consideration. That's here now. Transportation analysts at kaplan. Always thank you. There's a lot happening in georgia today. Prosecutors there have opened a criminal investigation into former president. Trump's to overturn the state's election results and republican lawmakers recently unveiled a number of bills. That would make it harder to vote. These efforts come after record turnout in the state during the presidential election and senate runoff for senate runoffs policy broadcasting's stephen fowler joins us now with the latest stephen. Let's start with this criminal investigation into attempts to influence the Administration of the two thousand twenty election this specifically relates to the phone call former president. Trump may to secretary of state brat. Raskin's burger on january second. He urged him to overturn the election. Results according to ravensburger. What can you tell us about this investigation right. So the letters from the fulton county district attorney's office mentioned that there is an investigation. That's been opened. It doesn't mention trump by name but does mentioned attempts to influence the administration of the twenty twenty election. Letters went to secretary of state. Brad ravensburger governor brian. Kemp lieutenant governor jeff dunkin attorney general chris car all of them have had different interactions with the president and the various false claims of election. Fraud what we do know is that this is a criminal investigation into the activities around the election and is not necessarily limited to the president but expect that to be a big focus. Oh yeah okay. We'll be following that for sure. Then there is this republican effort to change voting laws several lawmakers there have filed bills regarding boating access. Tell us more about those measures. Well it's really been everything from trying to get rid of. no excuse. Absentee voting to getting rid of secure boxes that allow people to drop off their ballots without worrying about the postal service or the coronavirus pandemic to adding photo. Id requirements to voting by mail and the the republican lawmakers say this was necessary because the twenty twenty election was a disaster but republican secretary of state said. Actually that's not the case and since republicans control both chambers of the legislature. It's likely that we will see some of these things change but it remains clear. How much changes for example The speaker of the house has says he doesn't support getting rid of no excuse. Absentee voting secretary of state ravensburger. Who is a republican has assured people many times at the november election was one of the most secure and successful in recent history There was no widespread fraud or irregularities is the georgia republican party still trying to prove that there was absolutely there is a section of the party including party leadership that says that it was not safe wasn't secure and there was fraud that rob president trump victories despite republicans winning pretty much every other down ballot. Race that stephen fowler political reporter for georgia public broadcasting. We'll be following all of this with you. Thank you so much. Thank you well. The rollout has been slower than most would like but millions of americans have been able to get at least one dose of covid nineteen vaccine so now what public health officials say people who've been vaccinated should still take precautions like wearing masks and social distancing because vaccines aren't perfect and it may be possible to pass the corona virus to people who haven't had a shot yet. There were also concerns about more contagious variants spreading. And there's the idea that if you give people an inch they'll take a mile. Our next guest argues those kinds of warning. Messages may be oversimplified and has been writing about how to have nuanced conversations on navigating life post vaccine. Dr monica gandhi is an infectious disease specialist at the university of california san francisco. Dr gandhi welcome. Thank you for having me. You wrote recently the to motivate people to get vaccinated. We need to message optimism. Not doom what do you mean by that. You know what. I mean by. That is that. I've been looking at ads in europe and the show older people saying i get vaccinated so i can see my grandchild or i get vaccinated so i can gather with my friends and we are sort of in general messaging a kind of non nuanced. I get vaccinated so that nothing changes. That actually isn't true. Of course things will change. After vaccination will change in a tiered way meaning vaccinated. People may have a set of recommendations that will be differ from unvaccinated if you vaccinated and unvaccinated person together. They'll be different but these kind of tiered recommendations the public can actually understand. We do it in hiv all the time and it could motivate vaccination instead of saying. Oh nothing's gonna change. Which isn't accurate. I see but from a practical standpoint. I get vaccinated are older americans. They're they're wondering things like you know kind of hug my grandchildren again. Or am i gonna be able to go to that wedding that has been planned for for next summer for folks. Who have these kinds of questions. What's your guidance. My guidance is used the principles of again of this nuanced tiered messaging. And think. Okay if your vaccinated. You're actually the one who safe. So the question of you hugging your grandchild is more around. Is there a very low chance that you could transmit to a grandchild. I think it's very very low. And every family is going to decide for themselves if they want that grandmother to mask before they hug their grandchild or if they want them to test before they come and visit their grandchild but older people gathering together who've been vaccinated is perfectly safe activity. And when you said give an inch take a mile. I really want to comment on that. Because our messaging especially in the united states around this entire pandemic has been one that has been a little distrustful of the public. I'm going to give you really simple instructions so you don't actually go outside of my instructions so stay at home. Even is kind of instruction that belies the need to work for essential workers or loneliness for single people so instead it's really okay to say if this then that vaccinated people together fine vaccine against unvaccinated. You decide how much the data on transmission concerns. You i personally am very very convinced. That by definition reducing symptomatic onus also gonna reduce. What's in your nose from. All this accumulating data but we can wait until that data is perfect and then a family will decide for themselves if they want the grandmother to testify before they hug the child and how about for the general population i mean. When do you think many of us will be able to gather with friends and family again and let let your guard down. It'll happen when we reach herd immunity. What does that mean. It means maybe seventy percent coverage we already have me be fifty to one hundred million people in the us have already been infected with covid. We've had thirty two million vaccinated of february seventh by the. I don't know how long it's gonna take the way the madeiran and pfizer vaccines are rolling out. It's very much slower than we'd hoped. And i'm really hoping that. The johnson and johnson vaccine will be added on february twenty six by the fda as yet another option so that we can get to herd immunity. Faster wind will happen fall or winter. Twenty twenty one depending on roll out. And that's the entire point. It will be normal. We will we will gather so we have to ask them. Dr gandhi have yourself joined the heard yet. Have you gotten the shot and if so are you going about your life any differently than before you were vaccinated so i am a healthcare worker. I gotten both doses of the vaccine. And i'm fourteen days post. My second does. So i am truly immune. Ninety five percent efficacy and one hundred percent efficacy against severe disease with these two amarna. Vaccines that we have in this country. My parents got their those first. Does yesterday they are going to have to have their second dose in four weeks and then ten to fourteen days after that they will travel. It will be to vaccinated people visiting one another so that feels really safe and we will be visiting without restrictions however i am not changing my behavior outside the home because there are many people who are unvaccinated. I want to be respectful. We don't wanna system where we don't know who's vaccinated who's unvaccinated and if there's this tiny chance i have that colonization i'm not gonna pass it so seven change anything outside the home but there are many healthcare workers who are meeting and sitting down together so great. Though to get that you'll be able to visit with your folks soon. Unmasks in in a more normal state. I can see now why you're feeling optimistic. In every share that little bit of sunshine with is dr. Monica gandhi is an infectious disease specialist at the university of california san francisco. Dr gandhi. thank you so much thank you. are you on clubhouse. The audio bay. Social networking app is less than a year old. But it's become one of the most downloaded apps in the apple store that could be. Thanks in part to a wave of celebrities and high profile. Venture capitalists who joined in promoted the platform which lets users livestream audio and set up interactive chat rooms that function either as stand ins for live in person events or just places to have spontaneous conversations. Last week elon. Musk dropped in on the good time. Show a late night show which is hosted on clubhouse. What can i say you know. Thank you so much. I a fun time or your first time when plows have fun. Yeah great this. Anthony didn't even know existed a week. It seems cool well. Npr arts editor. Nina gregory was an early adopter of clubhouse. And she's with us now to talk more about it. Hayna thank you okay. So i laid out a little of how this works. How you describe it. You know. I think for me. Tanya it's become the third space in pandemic you know the third space is not home or work for some people. It's the coffee house or could be a bar a park a place to hang out with friends and as the isolation of pandemic set in this came into my life right at a time where i really missed both the camry of of our newsroom and the casual encounters we we get to have so often as journalists and just as people and for me right now. That's that's kind of what quad house has served us. It's also become a place to figure out how to work through our new pandemic world right. Yeah you know. Last night i was in a room and musician named kristen. Leeann who is a viola player who also uses live feedback loops and all kinds of musical effects. Who was almost doing like a sound check for room so that we could tell her how a mix sounded. You know as somebody who works in audio. These are things i love to discuss. Let me give you a little sample of what it sounded like last night when she was playing. You know and that's not the only eight music that i'm finding on. Clubhouse is live performance but there are a lot of people from the music industry on the app. Another thing there is something called cotton club which is a weekly event where people can change their picture to a block and white image of their favorite jazz musician and come hang out and listen to. Dj's play music And every night. There's actually a room that a lot of people have started going into called the lullaby club. Where a musician named axel mansour hosts others and they play music to help people to nina. This all sounds so beautiful but we've also had a lot of discussions lately about social media platforms in the problem of misinformation spreading Extremist groups organizing online for example. Has there been any discussion on clubhouse about how this new platform is trying to avoid these kinds of problems. That's a great question. And i would say something. Like ninety percent of all conversations on clubhouse are about clubhouse and whether it's misinformation in rooms about vaccines cova d- you'll have physicians who come in and run sort of rooms. And i'm talking like people you know from harvard medical school however there are rooms where people can say things that are false that are misinformed and they go unchallenged but like being in a bar if people say crazy offensive things. There are tools on the app to mute and boot as they say too quiet someone or to throw them out or to escalate it but it is an ongoing problem in something that is going to continue to need careful attention yet. Does this initial success say anything more about the future of audio based apps out of silicon valley. I mean the verge actually reported this week. That mark cuban is planning to launch his own podcast app that allows host to quote talked to fans live and monetize their conversations. I mean that sounds a lot like clubhouse it does and people are learning tanya what we in our listeners have known for a time which is audio is the best medium to communicate intimate personal stories as well as to talk to one another and here one another. I think it's great. I think more competitors will make this ultimately a better experience for the user or or. I hope it will. Yeah i mean you said earlier that it's kind of the third place for you between work and home. Do you think that it's going to stay popular. Once people are able to return and mass to live events and public gatherings and work. You know i. That's the one hundred million dollar question with clubhouse. I think there are opportunities where people may be won't be able to travel places you know. I think internationally can help. People connect share information. But i think the quality of that information or the entertainment value will be the ultimate reason people come and the contents not their hand or not. They're not gonna come. That's npr arts editor. Nina gregory talking to us about be app clubhouse thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for inviting me. And here and now as production of npr wb. You are in association with the bbc. World service i'm tanya moseley and i'm cal abortions. It's here and now.