Witness testimony ties Mulvaney to quid pro quo; chief of staff was a no-show at deposition today, White House official concerned Giuliani's Ukraine work was illegal, Trump today: "I hardly know" Ambassador Sondland Trump last month: Sondland is "a really


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Can't you win them over. Let's go out front good evening. I'm Pamela Brown in for Erin Burnett on this Friday and tonight. The President Chief of staff orchestrated the quid pro quo. That's according to White House officials whose closed door positions were released today. Fiona Hill President Trump's former advisor on Russia. Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vin men the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council both testified under oath in the impeachment inquiry inquiry and both said it all came back to Mick Mulvaney. The president's right hand man a man. You'd be hard pressed to imagine was acting on his own. According into both hill and then men who testified separately under oath again behind those closed doors they have been told that Mulvaney was directing the quid pro quo with Ukraine gene and coordination with trump's ambassador the of the EU Gordon's on land. According to the transcript then was asked. Do you understand how he someone came to believe that this deliverable was necessary them in response so I heard him say that this had been coordinated with White House Chief of staff Mr Mr Mick Mulvaney question. What did he say about that answer? He just said that he had had a conversation with Mr Mulvaney. And this is what was required in order to get a meeting. And here's how hill recounted that meeting in her testimony quote Ambassador Sunland in front of the Ukrainians as I came in was talking about how he had an agreement with chief of Staff Mulvaney for a meeting with the Ukrainians if they were going to go forward with investigations and my director for or Ukraine was looking completely alarmed. So if you create one in a meeting with the president they needed to investigate Biden a quid pro quo that the Ukrainians were made aware of according to the testimony. And then there's another pro quo. This woman relating to military aid to Ukraine according to Benjamin's testimony Shimoni the hold on the military aid came from the chief of staff office and he'll quote it actually came as direction from the chief of staff office downpours. Mulvaney has already admitted to the world that there was in fact a quid pro quo member. This you just described is a quid pro four. It is funding will not flow unless the investigation into the into the Democratic Server. Happened as well we we do we do that that all the time with foreign policy I have news for everybody get over it. There's going to be political influence in foreign policy so he later took that back doc as we know but this testimony from Hill then men indicates his initial statement was the truth. Monte Rajoub is now on Capitol Hill and mono you also have some new developments regarding another potential star witness in this impeachment inquiry John Bolton. Yeah that's right. John Bolton is an individual has been mentioned time and again by a number of witnesses Someone who is central to some of these discussions that were going on and who raised serious objections by the push of by Rudy Giuliani and others to pursue these investigations. That could help. The president politically pushing the Ukrainian government to do so even Fiona Hill testimony. Today show that she. She quoted John Bolton as saying that Rudy Giuliani's a hand handgrenade. That is going to blow everything up now. In a new letter sent today by by Bolton's attorney to Capitol Hill he reveals that John Bone has information information about events meetings in conversations about which you have already received testimony but about meetings and conversations that have not been discussed in the testimonies so far and this was revealed in a court case in which Democrats have essentially said that they weren't going to fight to get John to come and testify five because John Bones attorney has said that if he were subpoenaed they would fight this out in court about his client is about a separate client who also served under John. Bolton Democrats Democrats have no desire to go a- prolonged court fight so there signaling. They're not willing to go this route but John Bones attorney says that if you were to come hugh provide this information nation but I want to court the rule in decide whether or not he is required to come and testify but that equates big complication here Pamela because Democrats I wanNA wrap up this impeachment probe in the coming weeks potentially by the end of the year to actually impeach the president but if they will go to pursue John Bone who could have add this key evidence that could delay this proceedings for months at the moment. It sounds like Democrats. Don't want to go that route. All right thanks so much. Interesting that The lawyer is dangling out there his client John Bolton has all this information that has been out there but yet he wants the court to decide. So let's talk about all of this Alfran tonight. A member of the House Oversight Committee Committee who was inside the room for the women deposition democratic delegate. Eleanor Holmes Norton. Thank you so much for coming on. So let's start with. What Mani was talking about this fact? Act that according to John Bolton's attorney dumble and has all this knowledge of quote many relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet been discussed west and the testimonies thus far. Are you willing. Are the Democrats willing to put an impeachment. Vote on hold for another few weeks an order to possibly get John Bolton's testimony. I can say I think although we have not discussed this just came up with him if he wanted to come forward he should've come forward much earlier. Look where we are. We have got this done by the end of December outcome runneth. Over we've heard from the staff we've heard from people who are in the room I think you're dealing with and official who remember was fired by a trump is going to be part heart of what he is his come uppance to trump and then he wants to say well of course they made me do it so you you think we don't need them. You think you have everything the thing you already need say in in the last You've just gotTa kind of a first first reveals once you hear from Lieutenant Colonel Decorated and from his supervisor and the Lieutenant Colonel was in on the phone call. You're almost they are there there. But what the White House trump argue is. You still. Don't have the direct link to the president. Couldn't someone like a John. John Bolton the former national security advisor provide that direct link that the Democrats might need to make the case stronger. What more directly can you you have than being on the phone call where you heard the president himself so I do think we have the direct link to the president and I do think that the Bolton would be helpful but is he going to give us anything more than his staff who've already come forward and has given us we've got to ask? Why is he so anxious to to come forward? And if he's anxious to come forward why would he say take me to court and let them decide. It talked a lot about quid. Pro Quo investigations in exchange for military aid but both men and he'll topped about these investigations. Leaving to happen beat announced publicly in order for a meeting to happen with the president and even intesified minor standing is was all about getting the bilateral. Meeting doesn't matter to you. Excuse me if this was about eight or meeting. That's my question to you. You is. It all is quid. Pro Quo all the same whether it be about eight or the meeting. It's very important what you ask because up until now we have been focused on the money and and of course. They needed that most of all so wine. This this emphasis on the meeting with the president the president wants to look these people in the high and get as much directly from them on Joe Bind. He you want the money but the money he can't withhold but so long. We have already voted in a bipartisan way. For the money to go forward. The icing on the on the cake is the meeting and there he can have a direct conversation and perhaps we could overheard over here that conversation as we have the phone call and he can learn even more about Biden situation. Where there is you know? Mulvaney and Giuliani and Sullen are acting without the direction of the president. Impossible if so then he should have fired them. All these people have direct access access to the president. More rain is the chief of staff you mean to tell me never talks to the president again. You say that the Democrats have all you need but White House worse is. I've spoken with telling me that the basically the White House is banking on the public not fully grasping all these different threads coming out. These different names that it won't ultimately move the needle for them it. It is a tangled web with so many names and different meetings. All over the place when you go through the transcript. Do you really think that all this breaking through to the public outside of the beltway way outside of this bubble actually not now. I don't think they have been watching these these these reports but wait until they testify. So you think money's really going to be everything you're going to see who I saw. You're going to see Lieutenant Colonel Von and when they it on the list so far well he is there. Are there negotiations right now to happen publicly to avoid it when you see he. Witnesses willing to testify directly to what they heard the most important witnesses will be the witnesses on the call the witnesses who were closest to the evidence we need seems to me that we have enough of them. Now that unless we WANNA be here this time next year talking about this and remember twenty twenty is a every every member of the House has the run again. I think you've got to finish this up before Christmas. Okay Eleanor Holmes Norton thank you so much which member and now up next trump and Giuliani. The two men still speaking wreck early on the phone even as the impeachment probe is heating up according to sources I've spoken with plus trump ham picton even praised the job that he was doing Gordon. Sunlen thank you whereas you great Jeff but now he says he hardly knows the man who delivered damning testimony on Ukraine and Breaking News Michael Bloomberg just filed. Oh for a presidential primary. Does this mean he's really running. We'll be right back. Finding the right pros for home. Projects can be tough and spark a lot of questions. Like how do I find a pro who can help. Will they do a good job. Will I get a fair price. That's where home advisor can help from leaky. Faucets to major remodels. Dell's homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds and even helps you get a fair price. Read reviews check. Project Cost Guides and book. Appointments go to homeadvisor adviser dot com or download the free homeadvisor APP to start your next project. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com mm slash. CNN News just released transcripts from the house impeachment inquiry revealing even more officials testifying under oath that they had a great great concerns about president. Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani's work in Ukraine Fiona Hell of former Russia advisor to president trump. Testifying quote I was extremely family concerned. That whatever was that Mr Giuliani was doing might not be legal. Especially after you know people had raised with me these two gentlemen Parnis and and Fruman Ella E. Fruman of course to Giuliani associates. Who are arrested recently while trying to flee the United States and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander van the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council saying this about the July phone call or president? Trump urged Ukraine's president to help Giuliani. Dig Up dirt on the bites. Let's frankly up until that call you know. In certain regards. He was acting as a private citizen advancing his own interest to a certain extent. It wasn't until that call all that it became that that it became that he was pulled into kind of an official role all right. Let's discuss all of this out front. Now Greg Brower who was an assistant the FBI director Kerry Cordeiro who was the council to the US Assistant Attorney General for national security also with US tonight former Nixon White House counsel John Dean and former Republican congressman. Charlie Dent it has been a very busy news day going through these transcripts from two top White House officials. Carry to start with you witnessed ernest after witnesses testify and they had these concerns about. Giuliani what do you make of this of all. These officials testified that they knew what Giuliani was up to. They had these concerns. They did because we had there was an individual Rudy Giuliani who was not in government. who was doing things that from their perspective? At the as as far as State Department officials are White House officials working on national security related to Ukraine that he was stepping into interfering with what they were trying to carry out as legitimate foreign policy so on one hand you have a person not in government at all who is interfering in national security interests but then the second thing that but it also tells me is that there were a lot of people in the White House who knew what was going on. And it took the whistle blower to actually report it through an official channel Hannele and start that we part of this. I mean you have about it. He'll testifying a lot of people. Knew about what was going on. But you're right. It was the whistle blower who went through those channels. But what's interesting too is just the view of these officials Juliani. You know they're trying to do their official Government Work Greg. Then you have someone going rogue Outsides doing their own thing. I mean it kind of painted this picture of pure chaos when it came to Ukraine Policy Fiona Hill testified that John Bolton Liken Giuliani to a hand grenade alive handgrenade Do you think that's proven to be true. In all of this as you learn more and more Giuliani's role becomes more apparent and and not surprisingly so and and there was also the description of John Bolton oath you know Rudy's drug deal as if to dismiss this. Yeah exactly we have more understand the context around Right that's right and it would be hard enough frankly to have the national security and diplomatic Bureaucracy dealing with some kind of rogue operation if that rogue operation was parallel but legal. But in this case it appears that perhaps it wasn't even a legal rogue operation that not only complicates it's things for the govern- officials who are supposed to be pursuing national security and diplomatic relations but it it creates a whole Potentially impeachable the situation. And that's how it's playing out. It is how it's playing out John because this is all part of this. The Democrats impeachment inquiry. I WANNA bring up. What lieutenant colonel them and testified to who about acting chief of staff and they won't be head Mick? Mulvaney Vin was asked. Do you understand how he saw. Inland came to believe that this deliverable was necessary. This area and then men responded so I heard him say that this had been coordinated with White House Chief of Staff Mr Mick Mulvaney question. What did he say about that answer? He just Said said that he had had a conversation with Mr Mulvaney. And this is what was required in order to get a meeting. How significant is it to you that he testified that the president's acting chief of staff directed this quid pro quo essentially certainly gets closer to the president and and You know whether whether they'll claim that the president had no lodge we don't know yet Feel a hill gave the same testimony. Which cooperates spend Edmund? So it's a pretty strong charge and it certainly puts Mulvaney in the loop No question about that and Pamela. I'd I would just point out at this whole thing is just one giant conspiracy to extort a bribe. And it's very conspicuous. It's just no question and now how deep the president is. That's what the House is going to establish and so do you think this is an impeachable offense then because as we know bribery. According to the constitution is impeachable impeachable. Act John They have managed in this in this instance to come right within the definition of impeachable offenses. Because you the high crimes but how. But if if no one has made that directly to the president then then how do you make that case that he should be impeached impeached. Well you know it's interesting with Nixon When he was impeached they stayed away from conspiracy? Charges There is a reference in in in the minority report of all places that he conspired but the majority the Democrats with Nixon did not charge him with a conspiracy. All of that was very conspicuous. Louis in the in the evidence I so I don't think by precedent. They'll try to draw trump in through conspiratorial actions. They'll look for him being directly involved or enough. They'll look for testimony and we're they're gonNA find that is in the Document the the readout on the call on July twenty fifth the called the president continues. This is perfect really quick. And I'm going to go do you carry a thought but congressman president trump has also had this to say about who the Democrats have called to testify so far they shouldn't be having public hearings is a hoax. This is just like the Russian which this is just continuation of. It's a disgraceful thing. He says none of these witnesses have hurt him. Do you see it that same way and do you. I think that. How do you think his supporters? Do you think that they are seeing this as a continuation of you know this being the quote hoax. Oh I think these witnesses Taylor. Inman few on a hill have done enormous damage to the president because those witnesses are quite credible and I think I heard the president and just say today he's been the most transparent guy President we've had in a long time. Well if he's so transparent and he has nothing to hide. What's so bad about having all this testimony particularly from his staff Mulvaney and Guiliani And others into answer something that was said earlier he did the John Dean. You know if you're the president of the United States you have you you look. It's assumed that you had knowledge of what your staff was doing. I was chairman of the House Ethics Committee and we used to have these situations all the time. A member would blame the staff but we said there is imputed imputed knowledge that the that that the boss should have known what the staff was doing. And you just can't simply dump all this on the staff and get away with it. We would sanction members regularly for actions of their stuff. That's interesting and what would it say if the president didn't know about what is chief of staff and other key officials WERE UP TO OUR I. Thank you all for. I sharing your insights and analysis. Much appreciate it. We're going to see you again very soon in the show out front next. The president's bid donor turned diplomat. Trump's own pick for a you ambassador there is suddenly a stranger after his damaging testimony. Living here say I. I hardly know the gentleman and breaking news Michael Bloomberg Bloomberg on track to make a run for the White House for would skip early contests and four state. So how does he win. That's the end of the morning. It's the dragon experiment. Are you gonNa say it first off. I always sleep at Queen's secondly yes brick and mortar five all new episodes premiering Sunday November ten only on adult swim can't get enough of the NBA sign up for Mba League pass to gain access to every game being played across the association every night with all new ways to watch through the NBA APP Visit Mba dot com wars NBA APP to get started today and tonight president trump claiming he hardly knows Gordon Sunland the US ambassador to the U.. Who changed his testimony this week? Suddenly remembering that there was a trump Ukraine rain. Quid pro quo. I hardly know the gentleman but this is the man who said there was no quid. Pro Blow still says that so someone was handpicked by President Trump to be ambassador and to lead his Ukraine policy. Someone donated a million dollars to trump's inauguration and and trump has has had glowing things to say about him in the past tweeting last month. I would love to send about Sunlen a really good man and great American to testify but unfortunately Cinelli he would be testifying before totally compromised kangaroo court and that's not all our ambassador to the European Union Union Gordon. Sunlen thank you great job. Clinton the text message that I saw from Ambassador Sutherland. The New Zealand respected was there's no quid pro quo. He said that he said by the way it's almost sounded like in general. He he said. By the way there's no quid pro quo and there. Is Everyone back with me. Now carry them getting to you. I I went to go back to you before. Isn't this new defense. Trump hardly knew sunlen and doesn't show a pattern to you of what the president does in situations where he feels like officials might be saying unflattering things about him right. Well I think we have seen this pattern with him before where when someone is doing things that he likes then he's very laudatory towards them and then when they don't and when he thinks that might be not in his interest and all of a sudden there's a whole sea of Of distance between them the the difficulty with the president trying to do go with the testimony of Gorse online or any of these other witnesses is that all of these facts that come out from the witnesses. Don't change the essential essential original information that we have from the original July twenty fifth summary of the phone call that the president himself was on with presidents Kamensky. And that's the call where the president asks Celeski to do him a favor. He mentions investigations of the Biden's he mentioned investigations into this conspiracy about whether Ukraine was involved in the two thousand sixteen election and no matter how much distance he tries to put between him and witnesses. He's not gonna be able to get away with the content of that phone. What's so interesting about that? We were talking about this Greg is it was the White House. Put out that transcript and without that actual transcript of the call. It would be a harder case to make that lake. Could be but you know. It's like welcome to the twilight zone here because we have the call which clearly puts the president in the middle of this this for that exchange strange Ukrainian president and then we have the presence chief-of-staff do a press conference at which he concedes. Yes there was a quid pro quo. And we've had every other witness before the committee. Basically say the same thing they learned of the quid pro quo either from the call or from other people they were alarmed by. So it's everybody against the president at this point and as a former prosecutor carry would agree with this. You know when you have a kind of a lineup of witnesses like that one against many it's typically the many any your version of what happened and all a lot of this is politics strategy from the White House from GOP. Allies of the trump congressman dent. Were seen them. Throw throw the people around trump involved with Ukraine under the bus. They're arguing they each actor without trump's knowledge. Some of this has been on display this week anytime they direct conversations with the president there was no linkage so any linkage that has been alleged obviously is based on many times second or third hand information. Either Rudy Giuliani or people believing that they understood what Giuliani might have wanted. This almonds opinion we are we the these are all folks opinions instead. And he says he he says it was his the presumption so on on the fact that this presumption so you served with these those men congressman. What do you make of this apparent new strategy? Is it effective. No a trying to throw all these people on the bus is simply not going to fly. Nobody's GonNa believe for a second that Mick Mulvaney or rudy. Giuliani was acting on their own without any consultation with the president. I I think just like Michael Cohen. WHO believes that the you know? Michael Cohen paid off stormy Daniels didn't he. He paid off. He did that on his own. The president and direct them to do it. I mean same thing here. Of course these people were operating under the direction of the president. I there they may try to throw these guys under the bus and they'll do it in this order they'll throw sunland other bus then Mulvaney Zany and then Giuliani in that order. But I don't think it's going to be effective I think it's laughable. The facts are the facts are simply not on the president's side. The news is tightening. The quid pro pro quo has been established. All these people spoken up did so out of concern for national security and also because of interference election so these are more distractions not going to be effective live. And what's interesting here. John is that the president has repeatedly and publicly embrace Giuliani's work in Ukraine which included trying to dig up dirt on the Biden's breath. We've been investigating on a personal basis through rudy and others lawyers corruption in the in. Two Thousand Sixteen election is looking to also find out where the phony witch-hunts started how it started and I think he's got a very very strong right to do it. He's a good lawyer knows exactly what he's doing and it's very aboard. I stand behind. Rudy Giuliani absolutely and rudy has said that he was acting on on his client's behalf in regards to Ukraine based on these comments John if Republicans. Try to throw Giuliani under the bus. Isn't that effectively. Throw the president under the bus. It's too I I would think that could be very dangerous for the Republicans to do it and I would think trump would tell them to stay away from that strategy satiety Rudy at some point if he's sees himself being discarded by the White House Beedon discarded by the Republicans And on his way to the Bureau of prisons for a long stay He's somebody you can give up the president because there is a crime fraud exception in the attorney. Ernie client privilege. That trump can't block his testimony if that happened and crime. Fried Exception Carey is that there's an ongoing crime. I am right that that that means that the lawyer that the lawyers privy to involve with that doesn't make the lawyer immune. It remains to be seen if Giuliani will testify. The way things are going certainly doesn't seem so but what's interesting here is sources. Tell me that the president continues to talk to rudy that. As recently as late October he he was the one calling rudy up about once a day to talk to him. Despite all of these revelations coming out on this testimony about Ukraine he really seems undeterred. Undeterred by it what do you make of that. Well he is. I mean he's a close adviser he's been a close advisor of the president for a long time and the president has trusted him and so I think he's been a central homeadvisor. I think Giuliani has difficult claim of attorney client privilege to begin with because the things that he's doing if he's running around Ukraine trying to dig up political information for the president's political interest. That's not giving legal advice. The attorney client privilege has to do with a lawyer providing legal advice to client. This might be a silly question about like what makes something. An attorney client privilege rudy. said he's done it pro bono and like what what provides attorney client relationship and the communications in question have to be for the purpose of giving or receiving legal advice and there cannot be an exception like the crime fraud exception that applies to the situation. So that's basically it but look. I think it's clear clear. That Rudy knows everything about this Ukrainian deal and so to the extent the president continues to talk to them. I think the the common sense explanation is that that he wants to keep rudy close so as to be able to try to control rudy and what he says publicly and I wouldn't be surprised if he's doing that with Mick Mulvaney as well all right. Thank you all out up front up next breaking news. Michael Bloomberg takes a step closer tonight to running for president. Does he have a chance. and New Book Claims White House Officials Wade resigning on mass. What stop them? We're going to discuss up next Wednesday's on TNT. All the lead wrestling sling hits harder. Flies Higher and breaks off. Boundary is a wholly wrestling a new league Wednesdays at eight on TNT. On Saturday November Ninth Jon Moxley Frizz Kenny Omega Kobe versus Chris Jericho for the e W World Championship By now on the breaking news Michael Bloomberg taking a major step tonight toward running for president officially filing for Alabama's Democratic presidential primary Bloomberg is reportedly concerned about the current candidates and their ability to beat. President trump will Joe Biden responding tonight. Every single poll is run. I beat like a drum as I said. There's an states into the south and states in the Midwest states around the world so look I look If he wants to run his just get anyone taking personally. No no no no no out front now. Mad Pala Democratic strategist who met with Bloomberg about a potential twenty twenty Ron. He is also senior vice president for Cornerstone Stone Public Affairs. Also with Joan Walsh National Affairs correspondent for the nation. Thank you both for coming on Matt I. It does Bloomberg really think he has a chance of beating president in trump. Don't think he would have done this pam if he didn't believe that he had a shot. I when we talked in two thousand eighteen. It's been a while since we chatted but he he said look. I'm I'M GONNA consider this if I believe I can win so clearly. Something has happened from. Why do you think he does his I I think look why do I think he's? He's taking a look at this because he cares about the country he's interested It's no secret anybody that he's long expressed an interest in and running and being the president of the United States. I don't think there's any question about that but this is hard for him. We're eighty seven days away from Iowa. Ninety seven percent percent of Iowa precinct locations are locked in campaigns. have been on the ground there for over a year working hard to organize it so I think this is a challenge but listen. I don't think anybody should underestimate Mike Or the team that he will put around him and look at this a recent New York Times poll of head to head matchups in swing states by and was barely beating trump and the other candidates. Trailed him does Bloomberg have a point that the current field isn't strong enough. Look I think a lot of people. A lot of centrist Democrats are very concerned about Joe Biden. I saw the vice president's say in that clip. You know I'm not. I'm not taking this personally. He should take it very personally. It's personal You know this is. This is coming out of a real perception. That that he's a weak front runner But on the other hand you know first of all this lane. Centrist lane is so crowded already. I think the person that this helps the most. Frankly is Elizabeth Warren. The person that he's out to stop along with Bernie Sanders is Elizabeth. Warren and I think I think this this really elevates her and wounds Biden. It's interesting though because I was talking to a trump a source close to the trump campaign. Who said actually this could be good for trump trump because the Democrats will be focusing their fire more on on Bloomberg rather than on trump? It could take some pressure off by that Joan. No I don't buy that I. I think they have plenty of plenty of fire for trump. And and you know I think a lot of them are just going to ignore Bloomberg. I mean you know Pam you could. You can have a debate here between Michael Bloomberg and Michael Bloomberg because we we have so much tape of him explaining very candidly and clearly in my opinion why he can't win. Why there's no path so I agree with Matt? He's a smart man I I can't believe he's going to waste his money but yeah I mean let's talk about what this path could be. Because we're learning Bloomberg's adviser say he plans to skip the first. I four early. Contests Iowa New Hampshire Nevada South Carolina. No one has done this successfully. You Advise Hillary Clinton Twenty sixteen campaign in Iowa. Can he win without those states. Well it's not been done before. I do think it's important to point out. There's a lot of talk about Mike and he's certainly successful. He is a self made guy. I I think it's important to remember he's also been very involved and Dennis Politics I think wisely. He's been a strong supporter of climate Bernie attention to climate change and the need for policy there. He's done more on on supporting choice in women's it's healthcare He's done a ton on gun safety and the need for commonsense gun reform in the country so He does have strong chop suits more than than his money. But I think one thing he's he's going to have to figure out is. How does he thread this needle and move forward? especially if it's Mayor Pete. I think this is an important consideration. I think there's a big impact on Vice President Biden money which is already a challenge for the Biden campaign. I think it's also This path if it's not Elizabeth Warren as our nominee or coming out of Iowa which the two are closely related Then then this path has is tougher And I think it's tough. It's if it's mirror pete because he's built such a coalition Quickly and importantly in this selection and you talked about mats and things that could work in Bloomberg's favor in terms of his record but there are other parts that are no doubt that will no doubt no already coming under scrutiny. It just stop and Frisk how that could impact voters one one source. I spoke to close to the trump campaign said when it comes to trump first Bloomberg. If that ever happened said look the president has been battled tested over the last several years Michael Bloomberg hasn't obviously in the same way. The question is can he take a punch and the president today was asked about all this. He seems to relish a fight with Bloomberg. Here's what he said. Little Michael will fail. He'll spend a lot of money. Yeah he's got some really big issues. Got Some personal problems. He's got a lot of other problems. There's nobody I'd rather run against little by Kovacs. Yeah so what do you think about that. Joan what do you think of that potential match up. Well I think Michael has a lot more money than Donald Trump. He's a really truly successful businessman so he should think about that But to go back to something that Matt said Mayor Pete is very impressive right now but he is not pulled together a solid coalition. He doesn't have black voters in his coalition. And right now I have to say Michael Bloomberg starts as you just referred as he as he just talked about with the real I think in in the whole with a lot of black voters because he continued to defend. Stop and Frisk even after it was found unconstitutional. So you've got black voters who are going to be a tough sell. He's I don't see him being like Mr Rust Belt Guy. He's going to go back in and take Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania that. I'm not feeling that either. So again again. The the last person to try this was his predecessor Rudy Giuliani. He was GONNA go into Florida in two thousand eight and we know we never saw president. Giuliani all right. Well we shall see how this all plays out. Thanks so much Matt and Joan much appreciate well out front up. Next how far we're senior. Trump officials is willing to go to stop the president. Mass resignations were reportedly on the table. So why did they end up. Staying and Elizabeth. Warren is trying to win powerful Apple Latino votes with a pitch that may pay off. I am open to suspending deportations. -tations tonight a midnight. Self massacre the anonymous author behind the new book a warning claims teams that a group of senior trump administration officials considered resigning on Moss last year. To warn about the president's conduct but ultimately decided against it they fear it a mass mass-resignation would further be stabilized. The government it's just one of the many revelations from the person who wrote The New York Times at last year titled. I am part of the resistance inside the trump administration. Alfred now Jennifer's ally the New York Times Non Fiction Book Critic who reviewed this book. Thanks for coming on Jennifer now this author others claiming to be a senior trump administration official. They claim that there was this planned out. A bunch of officials quit at once. What more can you tell us about? What the author says about that incident right so the author doesn't say very much other other than to say that it was something that was considered at some point during the first two years of the trump presidency and then the idea was abandoned? And so you know that is one of the big revelations of this book but it's a revelation about a road. That actually wasn't take him so yeah and so that raises this question of what evidence. This author has to back up these damning accounts. I don't know the painting this picture of an incompetent president someone who is dangerous and disturbing. Who shouldn't be trusted with running the government? In one case the author describes what it's like dealing with the president's tweets writing. It's like showing up at the nursing home daybreak to find your elderly uncle running pantelis across the courtyard ardenne cursing loudly about the cafeteria. Food as worried attendance. Try to catch him. Only your uncle doesn't have to leave the. US government wants. He puts his pants on. Now you you know very vivid Balaji but what details does the author used to back that up. Well so I think that this is. This is sort of the big question. Would this book which news because anonymous is really committed at least for now to remain anonymous and to not revealing his or her identity. You know he or she says right at the beginning that there's not going to be too many specific details or too many even Details that wouldn't necessarily give away who this person is so ultimately you know it's it's like an Anon- anonymously source book where you just have to trust what the person it's saying and trust that it's true. I mean there is indication that this is a senior level official There are sort of things that are mentioned that other our people have said to this person so this person seems to be trusted by other people on staff from but you know at the same time. We just have to take this person's word for it which just sort of this is sort of the Nadi problem of this book. I think quickly. The White House responded calling this person a coward for remaining anonymous. How how do you think this author will be remembered? I think we'll have to see. I mean I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if the identity of this person is revealed at some point. I mean the the person who did write this book also does say that he or she may choose to reveal his identity in case it would help further the cause as of the argument of this book. So I guess we'll we'll say they don't want to reveal their identity now because they don't want to become the centerpiece of the conversation they wanted to be about the revelations in the book Chelsea Jennifer. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me and out front next Latino voters could propel a Democrat into the White White House is Elizabeth Warren that candidate tonight and Elizabeth Warren Making a big pitch to Latino Voters Warren revealing she would consider suspending all deportations bargaining chip for Immigration Reform Leyla Santiago. Dago is out front. Her cry comes with her story. Her husband she says still detained by is the returns later at the Mahinda townhall. She asked Senator Elizabeth Warren. Were you pass a moratorium on the appropriations I am open to Suspending deportations particularly as a way to push congress for comprehensive immigration immigration reform. That's new for warned not included in her immigration plant after the town hall we asked. You're leaning toward one way or another a moratorium on deportations. Given that yesterday Senator Sanders Plan does include that. You were asked that today so the way the way I would describe a bit is I should not be spending its resources deporting people who pose no threat to us. So is that a yes. Well it's don't spend your resources on our neighbors and friends as foreign made her case. Three daughters of immigrants sat in the front row now eligible to vote and twenty twenty twenty. I'm looking for a candidate that will not only show their support for immigrants like me who have college degrees. Who are fluent in English? WHO HAVE UPWARD MOBILITY? I'm looking for a candidate who will support my parents. Who will fight for people like my parents? Barbara Stidham is part of a fast growing piece of the potential. Electorate Hispanics are projected to make up more than thirteen percent of eligible voters in two thousand twenty according to the Pew Research Center possibly exceeding the share of black voters for the first time and she says focusing on immigration is not enough to win her vote Kelkar and indication of their but now after a bustle we see letting sexually really worried about discrimination against Latinos and immigrants. Said you'll get yours is an expert. On Latino he know and government studies he argues Latinos will be critical in states like California Arizona. Florida Texas in twenty twenty. But they shouldn't all be quoted the same way rape candidates. Are you doing anything different. For the Latino voters themselves I think showing up is critical and I also think talking about what we're touch. Their lives is critical and part of that is got immigration but it's also about education. Aw as twenty twenty candidates figure out the best way to reach the Latino community plans town halls tweets so neither insists. Candidates must understand understand the diversity within the Latino community has been a lot of time talking to Latino voters today here in Raleigh North North Carolina voters. Tell me That they felt that the Democratic Party at times took their vote for granted and acknowledged their their past relationship with the last Democratic president. Really celebrating President Obama for what he did for dreamers but also saying they haven't forgotten that he was known as the deport or in chief chief All Right Leyla. Thank you so much for bringing us elitist there from North Carolina and coming up on Monday Erin. Jose Democratic presidential town hall with Joe Biden. That's at nine PM Eastern only on CNN thanks for joining us a C.. Three sixty starts now. Are you interested in learning how great companies grow download the Mar- tech podcast. 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