Jennifer Garner's Next Mission
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And I know that our consumers care about them. This is personal for garner who grew up surrounded by generational poverty in West Virginia for desert's, not just in cities, not just in rural America, but in central valley, California, which is the garden bowl for the whole country nutrition at the huge, huge problem. And that's part of why we have trouble really seeing understanding poverty in this complete because we might flick it with a little round belly and say, well, they're not holding. But they are and as an ambassador for save the children, she's working to tackle rural poverty across the country. Here's my conversation with Jennifer garner, and John Gorka, ten of Ron John? Thank you for being here. Thank you. Poppy, so different as we can with your mean, most people know you for your acting, not your business, not as business leader. But you are a business leader for you, John former CEO of Annie's organics, I will think of you every time. I look at my daughter's cheddar bunnies now together you built once upon a farm, Jennifer. What is it? And what's the mission? Once upon a farm is a company that is making cold pressed organic as fresh as it can be straight from the farm into the dairy section of your grocery store, baby food and smoothies applesauce and our mission is to deliver great healthy food. That is good for the earth. Good being good to each other be mission driven company and leave a healthier happier. Planet being mission driven company. John something you've written about pretty frankly that you want to focus on even more here than in your last being, you know, a B Corp, for example, how did the two of you meet and start this together. So it's a it's a funny story. So I was I'd sold in east. Mel is. I was there for a few years. And I was always asking myself. What would what's the next thing that I would do? I'd said myself, I don't know what it is. But it's got a really touched my heart. And so I was an investor a small investor in. Company that started in two thousand fifteen they they weren't a few stores in San Diego. And I'm Jen can tell you how she got connected with them. But I got a call from one of the founders, and he said, hey, Jennifer, Garner's, very interested because of her work through save and all the other doing she really wants to get in the food business in a real serious way. And she saw that you're involved and she knew about any. So she say come on down. So I was my my car. We got a flat tire on the way airport, of course, plane was delayed. So I was a half hourly for an hour meeting with Jennifer garner. She's like fleas. Yeah. And so but got there, and we started talking about, you know, save and all these things, and we really talked about social impact in the challenges that families have getting healthy food everywhere. And what what this new kind of company could do purpose driven company to drive better access and all that. And so we just connected, and we had a high five moment at the end. Yeah. It was kind of one of those moments of look I'm in if you're in. Okay. Well, I'm in, but I'm not kidding. No. But I'm not kidding. Luckily, you didn't like him when he was thirty minutes. Of course, not you bring up save. And I was going to get to that in a moment. But let's just talk about your work. Jennifer with with save the children, particularly in West Virginia where you grew up. Right. Oliver. Oh, america. But how you're up. I grew up in West Virginia, and and and really growing up surrounded by generational world poverty. And also having a mom who grew up in rural poverty and who benefited enormously from people giving her a hand up and she ended up going to college. And because of that my sisters, and I have had, you know, really adventurous lives and have known that we were going to go to college, you know, from the minute we were born, but I was surrounded by kids growing up who didn't have that same start. And it always seems really unfair to me. So once I was in a position, which is so strange to find yourself having a bit of a voice. I hunted down what we're gonna station at the most efficacy enroll America. And it was save the children. You have talked Jennifer about frankly, feeling powerless when you were a child and not being able to stand up for those friends and classmates most in need, I have seen rural poverty, I have reported through Kentucky through West Virginia. And the disparity in this country is enraging and it is. Getting worse. I mean, the income gap continues to grow, and you said Jennifer at one point I couldn't stand up for those children when I was a kid, but I can stand up for them and those like them now what how do you do that through this company? Well, save the children, we really focus on three things we focus on getting kids up ready to learn and reading at grade level by the third grade. So we focused birth to eight we partner with programs in the community to empower the the community and to help those kids flourish, then from when we hand them off in third grade all the way up through career, hopefully, and we partner with whatever we can find whether it's a police station where we work there aren't boys and girls clubs or things like that. But there is a police station, and we we really partner with schools, and so we're we're just working to draw everyone in to help foster a great community for the kids, and then advocacy work. And I spent a lot of time going, you know, state to state and and to the UC to. Yeah. You've called that congress. I mean, your powerful op-ed on CNN dot. Com a year or so ago here shaming congress into it's a social Justice crisis. Yeah. How so how does the for profit company once upon a farm tie into this? So the passion that when we first met, and I saw her passion for these issues, and we thought about kids nutrition in general, and obviously than these for a long time. So I had an understanding of what that would look like I thought I saw this big opportunity to really advance fresh food and make it more available. And so from the beginning, we talked about our mission to do this not just for people in New York City and high income areas, but to make this food accessible to everybody. So we're we're working through our product line to make this food. So help me understand that Jennifer right because when I buy this at home, I do for my children and the average price for a pouch on Amazon. Is it little over three dollars? Right. And so that's not the poorest families in America cannot afford that what are you doing to change that? I know that there's some work that you're doing through the government governor. Bac programs like women infants and children well in order to be in order to even qualify for wick. You have to bring the prices way down it has to reach a certain price point. So we are continuing to have it be organic fresh cold process all of these things, but we're also we're simplifying some of our our formulas. So that they are even more simple and will be very very affordable, not just for wick moms. Although we will be hopefully, the first, you know, hopefully, we have to go through the process, but the first qualify. Yeah. That I mean, isn't that a problem? What you just said the fact that food has to be X amount or or this cheap to even qualify to the people that need the healthiest food that may be more expensive can't even qualify for. Well. But then they'll they'll have because we do care about them very much. We do care about these women in these moms in these kids, and we believe that their kids have just as much right for this fresh healthy start as already do. Right. Yeah. Of course. I mean. Buffet calls. It the ovarian lottery right determining where you're born. And these kids have no say over that, you you as you lead this, John, I wonder what the lessons are learned from Annie's because you've written pretty candidly about wanting to create a company, that's better. And you you talk about mistakes that you made along the way. So I believe in learning learning mistakes and being honest and candid about him. And there's things that I wish I had done it. And he's that I didn't do like. Putting a paid family leave program in for for our employees. We had any his these amazing moms that worked for us and built this brand. And then I think of the challenges that they had when they had their kid, and they had to deal with all the issues of figuring out a gap coverage and all that so one of the very first things that we did was we developed a paid family, leave family medical leave program put it in place. It's basically twelve weeks for the the father, and the mom and then six weeks for the recovery for the month of pain weeks fully paid and only thirteen percent of companies in the US do that. And actually in the in the world, the US in Papua New Guinea, the only two that don't have cash benefits for parents, which is crazy. So we we wanted to lead there and be out on the front edge of that. And we think there should be legislation around that. And we think there's a lot of bipartisan support sport. So we want to be a compensates for that. I totally agree. I was lucky enough to have paid leave here. My husband had three months of paid leave from his company and took it, which is rare for dads. So. Pravo for doing that in congress. I know you guys are supporting the family act on children's legislation. I interviewed her about it two plus years ago. It hasn't gone anywhere. I mean, you say there's this appetite in congress patina for I wonder as someone who's been to the hill and has testified in his spoken to two members of congress. Is there really in-app tight in Washington to truly get something done because the family actors attacks would be attacks that we all pay. And I just you know, Marco Rubio has a different proposal. For example. Do you believe that enough lawmakers are going to come together and actually get something done for the moms that aren't me in you, by the way, we don't need paid leave? Okay. But we get it. So what about the moms it really need it, and the dads that really need it. It is. So I I don't know how anything gets passed. Honestly. I mean, we're just like Hungary in a way. And so yes, I think there is an appetite for it. But I think that the agendas are all battling. But what I'm even more concerned about is that the family back doesn't even touch the lowest rung. I'm really fascinated by. How we then help families for whom work isn't even a possibility. Right. You have said before Jennifer how you do anything is how you do everything. What do you mean? I don't jump into things lightly. And when I do I I do it with my whole heart. I take my job. I consider it a job with save the children very very seriously. I was in Arkansas last week. I was in lake Los Angeles week before that I was in you know, remote Washington state a couple of weeks before that I was in DC before that. So I I take it as seriously as if they ask me I go if I possibly can. And I make it fast because I feel the same way about motherhood. Yeah. I know you know, you in the morning out at night. Yes. And I feel the same way. I did not jump onto this company lightly. I don't just I don't wanna just be the face of a brand that that is not even even the brands that I am the face of him. A face of what what I take very, you know, I take it very very seriously. So what does that mean? Your role is in the company today what your day to day week to week everything that we've been small company with their thirty five employees. We all are utility players. We have we all wear a ton of hats, and I love being in at the beginning. So that I am in Bolden and kind of forced to jump into the fray in a world that maybe in the beginning. I wasn't as comfortable with. But I am comfortable and confident in what I the need that I see and the problems that ICS solving which are, you know, this whole new way this whole new category for babies and infants and toddlers, but because my kids are twelve nine and six I'm the one saying, you know, great. Let's expand our baby line. Let's go. Let's let's do all of that and move into. But let's move into lunchboxes as well. So you think you're going to have food for kids teenagers? One day. Well, lots of adults. I think I've read that you mix it with champagne or something that is possible. But a lot of people just have it, you know, in their bag and have you know for a snack. I know a lot of my hair and makeup friends between jobs, we'll have a little snack. But you do. I mean, you is that we're already doing it. We helped smoothies in a package that we launched right at the very beginning. In may those are doing phenomenally well in places like target and the whole foods, and so really just getting them out there and turning it into a kid nutrition brand really the all the way up to about age twelve and then we know a lot of adultery and eat some of these products because they're just real food fresh real food more from our conversation with Jennifer garner and her once upon a farm co founder Gian fork over after the break. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame styles and materials there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. 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And Spotify the baby food market is very saturated. I know because I live it, whether you know, I make food sometimes I buy food sometimes, my friend just launched Yumi this yummy UM. Sorry. I'm saying that wrong did freshdirect, you know, ordered to your house it saturated. How do you win? What makes you different? Oh, there's so there's a lot of players that are going at this angle of light. How do we disrupt and bring fresher healthier alternatives? But it's just starting the fresh baby food business should be much bigger business than it already is there's there's fresh pet food in almost in over eighteen thousand grocery stores in the US, but you up until September last year, you could only find fresh baby food in three hundred and it was mostly us. Wow. I mean, we do love our dog. But we're we're in about eighty five hundred doors now, so the way we're leading is we're bringing the the best widest range of products. We're going straight to retail because we think that it's really important to be super convenient and also affordable. And I think a lot of direct to consumer businesses and subscription businesses will end up being successful in this area too. But we want to be widely available with a broad assortment in dairy where we're where we are. And we're also we just announced really starting to invest in coolers in the baby. I'll where we know that those moms and dads are shopping. We wanna make sure that we've got a broad assortment of fresh food for them there as well. When you Jennifer are in rural America, and you're doing your work for save just talk to everyone that's listening or watching about the nutrition aspect of that. Because that's a lot of the reporting done in rural America. But also in cities like Detroit where they can call parts food deserts where a lot of the poorest families don't have access to healthy fresh food. How does that exam? Surveyed the poverty epidemic in this country. They're desert's not just in cities not just in rural America, but in central valley, California, which is the garden bowl for the whole country. You know, the the parents of the kids that we serve or the the families that we serve they're out growing and nurturing the the food that will serve our whole country. And meanwhile, their kids eat only what they can buy a seven eleven so nutrition is a huge huge problem. And it's part of why we have trouble really seeing an understanding poverty in this country because we might see a kid with a little round belly and say, well, they're not hungry. But they are they're actually really really just are not getting the fed the right nutrients, so their body kind of swells up the way, it does if you if you only have fast food, can you tell me a little bit about you said your mom grew up in poverty. Tell me a little bit about that. And how that shape you? Oh my gosh. Well, my mom had a joyful upbringing. And that shaped my sisters and me more than anything. She is the first. First one to say girls weeping may last through the night, but joy comes in the morning. I mean, she's like you can cry about this now, but let's get over it and get on with it. And she she grew up, you know, singing songs and playing Jackson doing bible verses and reciting poems. And while they did the chores and that set her brain up for school. So that when she got to school. She was ready to learn her neurons where firing her brain was exposed to all kinds of talk and play and laughter and poetry and words and vocabulary. And so she was able to succeed and and her upbringing enriched hours times a thousand I think it's part of why I'm so passionate about my kids knowing where food comes from because she was on a farm. I want my kids to really have their hands in the soil. You bought the farm. I bought the cloth lately, you literally actually literally on the, but it doesn't feel my uncle and aunt still live there. So it feels it's their farm. I'm just you know, I just said to them, by the way, guys I'm buying I'll buy it. But now we're going to turn it into a real. I just. Going to say so are any. I mean is there any tide of the business where you might grow some of the produce on the farm? So we're just there last week planting so yeah. So that's a yes, we planted fifty percent and trees seven hundred blueberry and we've squash going in. It was so exciting to watch. My mom's farm coming back to life. Do you guys have a position on John the government's role what the governments role should be in whether it should change when it comes to providing more nutritious food for children. I mean, I know it's not courting your business. But I mean, it seems to be quarter your ideology. Yeah. And I think that the programs the current programs that are out there with and snap like those programs need to be more focused on getting better nutrition into them. And also making sure that there's access to the right information through those agencies to be able to educate a lot of its education and a win and then accessibility. So it's very complicated problem, but we think that society should be doing much much more to get better quality food to those populations. And we hope to be a small part of. That solution really lead on it. But he prepared to do. Well, I think we've talked a little bit about one of the biggest things already. I think we can make a big statement by making fresh food available under the week program nationally to all the moms and dads that are in that program. Seventy five percent of the people in wick are below the poverty level with an average household income of seventeen thousand dollars. They don't have money to go out and buy a lot of fresh produce. And all that stuff. We can make it accessible, which I think is our vision. I think we'll be able to do that. That's a big statement. These moms teach me, by the way, when I go grocery shopping when I'm out, you know, with the other night, stay two one of them. Can I go with you, and they are putting together food stamps wick? They're figuring out. Okay. On tuesdays. The the the food Bank is full. So I'm gonna get this from there, and this from there, I always say to them, you would be running a company if you were born into my family, did you tell your kids about this? Because I think often about how do you raise kids in California me and New York, I'm. Have a life of privilege understanding, how lucky they are not becoming can tell kids that they are lucky, and I don't think you can tell them not to be spoiled. I think you have to live that way. That's my belief. I I think it's really hard to hear over and over you better be grateful. You better be you're so lucky I think my kids see it happen. They see their dad. They see me modeling kind of service, and they see it in the the larger work that they do. But they see it in like, hey, let's take dinner to so. And so from church, or let's you have to model it in like, for instance, in little circles rippling out into the big relief. Can't just it can't just be one thing that you do that that they see it has to be an overall conversation. They can be involved in any day. I'll talk about the culture. It's only thirty five people. Right. So far, so fun. But expanding. What is the culture, and who do you hire? And who do you not hire? So one of the. At any is one of the basement stakes. I made was I didn't define our mission and values early enough. And like I was there for a long time. And it was the mid owes. I did that. And then our business took off because it helped us really define who we would hire how we would act with each other. So when Jen, and I decided to get together here, we said when the first thing we're going to do is define that Zoe defined our mission. Did we sat down home Neil? I wrote out our core value so honesty integrity, being a company that will stand up for social Justice and positive social change treating people with respect even our competitors. All these things so we have a really strong set of core values, and we hire people that we know will represent those can't Kendra Scott. If you know who she is who's this mazing success story of building a billion dollar company told me last week be nice is overlooked too much in hiring. She said, Jennifer, I hire more on heart than on resume when you guys are looking at bringing in people to the company to grow. It is you're right. Yeah. I think absolutely. But you have to understand we have the benefit of everyone who's ever worked for John adores him and would follow him anywhere. So. Still we have a lot of people that I'm benefiting from, you know, from his great reputation, helping me hire some really great people. I can't we're we're incredibly. Parents let me ask you about that because you outlined, you know, your mission, and what the company stands for in your culture, increasingly we are seeing CEO's a big publicly traded companies speaking out on social issues, whether it is immigration, LGBTQ, writes it cetera. You've spoken. I'm John about immigration child separation at the border dreamers paid medically family, leave, etc. Do you see once upon a farm? This company your voice as one that will become increasingly outspoken on these issues that can be seen as political issues. And what is the role of company today in making their voice heard? Well, I I hope I hope that we have the platform that we can actually speak on things we care about like on immigration, the reason I was speaking on that is because I'm in the food business. I understand who's growing our crops where it's coming from how those families are being impacted by these policies. And so that's why I stood up on that issue. But I I think it is. I think leaders in in companies in the future. Need to be much more engaged and be willing to stand out there on these important issues. And I know that our consumers care about them. I know we're we're most of the consumers that by our products really are in our camp on these issues. Yeah. Absolutely. At the core of your millennials is our big millennial. Parents is the biggest emerging group of consumers, and they they're, you know, on the issue of dreamers, which I wrote about for example, there's wide, but it's it's it's wide bipartisan support, there's wide popular support that there needs to be something done, except wait nothing has gone. So that's the frustrating thing. Like, we talked about earlier, but that doesn't mean that companies shouldn't stand up at for those things. And and be heard, you know, I mean, I remember Jennifer's just maybe five years ago that there is no way that a public c- of a publicly traded company would come out and speak on these divisive issues. They'd be too scared. Their employee base, which is not all line with one political view or another would lash out at them would be unhappy at cetera that has totally changed. I mean, what's your view? Now that you are co founder of this company being outspoken on these issues, I think that you are absolutely allowed to have a point of view. And I think that as long as the the bulk of the company feels the same. Way the company can have a point of view, certainly if it affects people who work for us. I personally try not to put a pin in anything in with too much force because I work on both sides of the aisle for stay the children, and has and has an advocate, I need to keep all lines of communication open. But when it comes time to compete campaign. I don't shook from that more from our conversation with Jennifer garner. And who once upon a farm co founder John fork over after the break. Hey, guys. It's poppy Harlow in this week's episode of boss files and exclusive interview with Dr Priscilla Chan, you may not know her name, but we think you should at just thirty three years old. She's leading what may just turn out to be the biggest change agent in Silicon Valley the chance after Bergen initiative. She's the wife of Facebook, founder, Mark Zuckerberg. But her profile is rising and not because of who she's married to. And the fact that she is sitting here today a Palo Alto. Valedictorian Hedy attrition entrepreneur billionaire and mother of two is in her words a miracle. Check out my conversation with Dr Priscilla Chan. When we look at what has happened in terms of women and women leading companies last year and a half has been pretty disheartening. We've actually seen the fortune five hundred companies. Now, we now have twenty-five percent fewer female CEOs five big knee women, including ingenuity at Pepsi. Make Whitman at HP enterprise have all stepped down all of those CO roles. Held by women have all been replaced by men. How important is it for you? Now is a female business leader Jennifer to have more women represented the top it's so very important. And I think that our paid family maternity paternal Leah is is huge part of that you have to make it possible for women of a certain, you know, all of the women who are coming into their power are also coming into motherhood at the same time. It's so incredibly hard to make these decisions to keep moving up and John called us early on and said there are a couple of great women here. I want to give a big promotion to and. I feel like we need to be promoting from inside. And it's great. I couldn't be more thrilled. One of the amazing things that I watched happened here recently in the last six months is two of my colleagues on the air anchors reporters were on maternity leave and they both John got promotions while they were away. And I think that's big star management. But it sends such a message to all of us. How do you see it as a male leader of this company who admits that he's made mistakes on the family leave front before elevating women? Well, I always think of the leaders that we brought in to our company, and we're probably eighty percent women in the company now on the senior leadership team represents that too. I think they're such powerful smart capable people. They should run this company in the future or other companies. And so I always think of investing my time to help develop their skills and giving them the best opportunities succeed into whatever. Wherever they want that to go in their career, I sort of hate the term work life balance. But only because for me, it's not a balance. It's a constant juggle. Yeah. Like yesterday work. Wade. I was not a great parent yesterday. But today hope I'm going to be a better one, right and sometimes work takes over and sometimes family takes over you guys talk about that. And here's one thing that I read on on your website that struck me we dream of a company filled. With co workers. We're happy to spend time with every day that offers a balance between work and life that every parent needs. How are you Jennifer working actually create some semblance of work life balance for people, and what does that actually mean the companies can do for them? They're asking about my specific work life balance. What are you guys doing leading the company to contribute to that? I think that we are flexible, I think, we're, you know, I think that in order to be a successful working women and have any semblance of balance, and you need to have a certain amount of flexibility in a huge amount of trust. We have unlimited PTO unlimited days time off due or one of those one percent of crazy companies that have that pulse net. Flicks. Who did that not actually crazy? What it actually is is an affirmation that your people are really talented, and they can manage their own time. And so we're just a performance culture. We say here's what we want to do. We want to do it together. I trust us much as a as a person to make decisions about how you use your time. So how much -cation do people take the end up? We we've only done this now for about a year. No, they don't -absolutely don't abuse it because the your culture draws in. We hope to draw in the kind of people that wouldn't abuse it. And and I think that's where that's where you give people credit for being competent capable of managing their on time and the challenges that they have bouncing their personal life. It's difficult for everybody. A your father. Awesome. Could you guys? Oh, I have to and I can't sleep. How has being a dad shape pay leave this company? Oh in so in so many ways understanding the challenges that parents face, you know, my kid my youngest is twelve now my oldest is twenty five. But I remember when I had that whole pack was at a much smaller age, and we were a public company and all this stuff. And I remember the challenges of it. It was it was brutal. And also, I was my my wife was working as well. She's an educator and her job allowed her some flexibility. And so we managed it together. But it gave me a real deep. The standing for first of all how awesome moms are like. It's true. And so that's that's really impacted the way I think of our company, and what we are trying to do for moms and dads out there and to be real support for them in a help and dads. I mean, how awesome dads are like giving paternity leave. He's so helpful to the mother by the way because they can go back to work feeling like they have that. That's the whole reason that we exist is that I made my child's baby my children's baby food. I had help cleaning steaming you worrying, it's so much work. Oh, track of what you frozen. It's a whole thing. Sometimes even with help. I couldn't get it done. Yep. Me too. When you open a jar of baby food that has shelf stable, and it's like, months and months older than the baby. You're feeding it to everyone. It's like a joke. You would be like, oh, you want some baby. And no, no way. Meanwhile, though, we're all willing to say, oh, my dog has human grade food you can even eat my dogs. But this is this is solving that problem. So it's a way. For when moms are going back to work or when moms are harried, but they still want to give their baby that really great wholesome fresh real food. We can do that. That's part of why we exist. What's been the biggest lesson is this the first business you've run, I think it is. Well, I mean, I had an ice cream business when I was little baby Jay babysitting CJ ice cream. See we were be core of so. Yeah. Other than those. Once fit. What does that been like for you? What has been the biggest lesson learned the biggest curve ball easy? Find a leader and follow. Find a partner and stick next to them. I mean that that's been John for. Yeah. Absolutely. What have you learned from her? Oh, I've learned so much. First of all, lots of factual information deep understanding of these big issues. Like, I did you make baby food for all four children. Oh, yeah. Oh, my kids were older, we weren't really doing that. But we were probably buying the first organic baby food that was on the Mark now. But I've learned so much from Janice passion, how to how to influence others. How to how to just bring a true energy and excitement that permeates the Horrigan ization. It's incredible. The passion that she has it how it influences our culture, and our people, and our brand, and we have a great partnership open, honest dialogue. When when we're doing something that she doesn't like she tells me and vice versa. And it's really great. And we go out, and we do a lot of customer calls together. And it's just like the most amazing thing ever. I wanna talk a little bit about this moment in America, the metoo more than a moment to movement. Right. He'll see chain. I hope it's more than a moment. Hope. So right. Hope the world my daughter grows up and and son are far different. How has it affected change shape? How you lead on as a male leader doesn't change much the way I lied because. Because I was never that camp. Like or how you put your head around some of these issues or see them. No. I think it's it's elevated the awareness of my myself and other leaders like me about how we have to really put. Put these issues out front and make sure that we're willing to talk about the uncomfortable things about maybe somebody says something not here this company but impasse lies. Maybe somebody says something about the way somebody appears when they walk into the officer, whatever these these things which would have been brushed off in the past as of male dominant culture. But I think we just as leaders have to be totally embracing that this conversation is real, and it's actually a generational change. That is that is not going to turn back twenty years from now five years from now two years from now, it's going to be more intensive so I hope so I remember talking, you know, six months ago to rim court Justice, Ruth, Bader Ginsburg about this. And this is like the path that she has paved for so many of us, right? Jen. You said that you don't want to quote, let your sisters down in this metoo conversation. What do you mean? I mean, what do you see as your role as a public as a public figure as a woman sisters? I mean, my colleague my peers my little sisters. Yeah. I think I I feel like I I want to be a leader in the movement because I can be, but I think as much I I don't want to go out and make huge promises about what I'm gonna do. I want to live it. I wanna live it and insist on being treated a certain way and insists that women around me are treated a certain way. And yeah. Well, it's not. I mean, I was just thinking about it for you with do. All right. It's being a leader in corporate America company and Hollywood with all of these issues that your feller fellow actors have faced right face them. Yeah. Even just even just being the one of two women on a set of you know, one hundred men that is that is ridiculous that doesn't reflect the world that we live in and yet it's all of our own experiences. So just simply the fact that women have been silent off. And actresses who only see each other at award shows are now gathering to have these conversations and getting to know each other and saying, hey, will you support me as I, you know, Natalie Portman, and Reese Witherspoon called me up and said, we're Natalie's husband was doing something with the Los Angeles dance project. And they said, hey, will you come and support? And I sit yet they never that just wouldn't have happened. They wouldn't have reached out to me directly for before. And said, we know you now I mean, I've known Reese time, but they wouldn't have said will you do this with us? And I said, yeah, I'm getting off a plane that day, but I'll be there that and it's going to be fast because I have to get my kids to bed, but I can do it. Yes. You know, has it has it happened to you have you been harassed? Oh, you know. I don't need to get into it. I've had uncomfortable moment. Everyone has. But there's certainly nothing that you know, that is worth trumpeting because I feel like an anomaly that I haven't I mean, as I interview all these women who've gone through it. I think it hasn't happened to me. Why isn't it happening? Me. And why should I feel lucky that it hasn't had like why am I one of so few you know, when so many people have? In that same way. And I do think I just think it's I think it's luck. I think kind of having an an Amish carriage about you. Good. I think could be that it shouldn't be that as we wrap up for both of you. Neither of you had to lead this company or start this company to make money, right? You took the company public, etc. Should've could've written out in the sun to what do you watch on your kids to say about you one day in terms of my dad built this, and oh, I think it goes to the improving kid nutrition and really making a difference. And and being a company that sets an example for what purpose driven company should be in our society business should play a really positive role in making positive social changes, my view, and I want this company to be a legacy that people can remember for that. And I played a small role in that with an awesome team. What about you, Jennifer? What I think about this law and my kids are young. But I think like when they can talk. What do I what do I want them to say about me one day? When do you want your kids to to say, gosh, I my son the other night after church they had done. A teaching kids. How to pray thing? And one of them was pray for someone who's strong. And he said, my mom is the strong one. And I pray that she stays strong and healthy. And as smart as she is because I wanted to be that way. So if they can just think that and if this is part of that, I'm good. How does he six at six years old? It only gets better and better you're gonna love, and I also feel guilty for not going to church enough because my mother calls every Sunday to ask if we're going to and I'm like, you know, trying to. Until they were bigger can always cutting. It was how you do anything everything charring. I'll let her know. Who's your hero? My mom may dad my sisters. What about you are worth you? Go guys. Good luck on this journey. And thank you for talking to me. Thank you very much. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of boss files. If you're a new fan of the show, please go to apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app. And subscribe while you're there leave us a review in Madison Howard doing as always follow me app, Carlo CNN. 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