Covering a historic field of presidential hopefuls; Dueling news cycles for the Democrats; Warren's rollout and the significance of female candidates; Reporters stunned by Northam's press conference; Was Howard Schultz's book rollout a 'grande' failure?;
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And the phrase we're hearing over and over again is historically diverse and that's accurate. This field of candidates historically diverse. So race. Power the past the present the future all captured in these two stories, but I want to reverse the order. Let's take this chronologically think back to Friday morning and the way news cycles work. It was the start of black history month purposely the timing for Cory booker's campaign launch with Booker announcing by an online video radio. And TV interviews the field of confirmed than expected candidates on the democratic side. Now includes five women to African Americans one Hispanic man there are numerous other historic firsts in this field. Booker's announcement was Friday's biggest political story until again on the first day of black history month, the Northam yearbook photo was revealed. And then suddenly the new cycle changed and north has remained the top story ever since. In fact, Tulsi Gabbard came out she held her official campaign launch in Hawaii on Saturday evening. And yet I would argue it was mostly overshadowed by the news involving north them. So let's talk about. Out these contracting stories and what they mean, let me bring in David Zurich. He's the media critic for the Baltimore Sun wanna summers national political reporter for the Associated Press and ruby Kramer, political reporter at BuzzFeed news. I wanna get into a number of stories involving the democratic field. But I this idea David Zara wick that we are talking about a historic a number of history-making candidates. It is incredible to see the number of women running the number of people of color running for president already on the democratic side. And yet I kind of feel this is being taken for granted. Should we in the press be talking more about the historic nature of this early primary season, you have Brian. I think not only should we be talking about it. I think if we feel that way we should be celebrating. It this diversity all of these different voices are going to make this conversation of democracy in this election much, much stronger. So it's really important. To do this. And listen all these voices. Not just dismiss him and say, oh, the poll numbers down for you. So I'm not gonna listen to you. But here's the thing. I think we can't get lost in that historic part of it. We have to ultimately focus on the policy. It's not enough to have new voices in the mix. Those voices also have to have new ideas, and we have to judge those. We are never very good about dealing with policy in these races. None of us either. The media side run a political side. But in this one it's legitimate to focus on diversity, certainly right now and to applaud it and to explore it culturally. What does it say about us today as a nation? I think it says very good things. Yeah. That's why I want to make sure the spotlight remains on this subject. But look, I agree with you. I'm going to try to spend the next two years dragging us all back to policy as I'm sure many editors and newsroom leaders are want to what's your reaction to what David said. Absolutely. I think one of the things that I find so interesting about covering this historically, diverse group of Democrats is the fact that as opposed past election cycles, you're seeing so many different templates of what an American president of what a democratic presidential nominee. Couldn't look like there are women. There are people of color. We have representation of LGBTQ people. And that's something we've never seen before the other thing that jumps out to me, though, is the fact that as we talk about and cover and discuss this historically, diverse class of Democrats that are running for president a lot of that coverage is being driven by newsrooms that do not necessarily reflect the diversity that we see in this field, and that we see in our country. So as I'm thinking about my coverage and talking to peers her in this field. I think we have to really be deliberate in our work and think very critically about. Out how to make sure that we do not make coverage does not just reflect the president of whiteness. And then we're thinking about what it means that we're understanding these cultures that we were covering and making sure that we're that's reflective of that. And you're absolutely right, national newsrooms. According to survey after survey are lagging behind the country in terms of representing the country's diversity, and that isn't a number of ways, whether it's a number of women in newsroom in leadership positions, or whether it's number of people in color, in leadership, positions, etc. Let me ask about Cory booker's roll out since he came out on Friday morning in a very interesting way, ruby and you're part of this a lot of newsrooms, including CNN and BuzzFeed, and the AP they all knew about his announcement under embargo and the embargo lifted at seven AM eastern time on Friday tell me how that worked. Sure, I mean, an embargo is basically in agreement between a reporter and campaign where they say we are going to have some news for you. Will you agree to this embargo and you make a choice as a newsroom to say? Yes, we will. And. They'll send the information over with the understanding that it won't won't be published until the agreed upon time. And it's a mutual agreement between the reporter and the campaign and Chris gillibrand also did a similar arrangement with all the national press. It did seem like it worked from a campaign strategy perspective because he was able to dominate Friday morning's news cycle. He was. Although I think that there was a little bit of frustration inside the Booker campaign. Frustration might not be exactly the right word. But what happened with governor north home certainly stepped on that announcement pretty much from the afternoon on right? It up slightly did. And it's dominating the news cycle ever since. I mean one is that partly because it looked Ralph Northam. I think it's a very big story. I'm shocked. He hasn't stepped down yet. But is it hardly such a big story in leading all the news networks because there isn't anything else. Big going on, you know. Am I guess something accurately there? I think that that's certainly part of it. And I think the other part of it is well, this is a story that's taking place in Virginia. That's a critical state. It's also a story that every one of these potential candidates and declared candidates for the presidency were forced to respond to you know, Virginia is a critical state and the general election election map as you pointed out rightly so this is a historically diverse has candidates. So I think a lot of reporters in my shoes. Spent our Friday nights seeing okay? How are these candidates going to respond Hooghly on Castro? The former San Antonio mayor coming out the gate, very quickly Kamla Harris tweeting out very quickly some other folks not having a lot to say until the following day. So I think it was one of the first moments where this field was tested on how they went to these issues of race in this campaign. And I think that the answer was a resounding. He's got to go. Right. Absolutely one more question about the twenty two thousand field before we talk more about north in the next in the next segment. But ruby the next big announcement were expecting us from Elizabeth Warren later this week, it seems she'll be officially entering the race. What does it tell us about twenty nineteen and about politics that there are so many women running on the democratic side? And you know, I it's just taken for granted in a way. It's I don't see as many news stories about what it means for women to be running anymore because Hillary Clinton did blaze that particular trail. Warren wise the first major candidate in the race. She she nounce an exploratory committee on December thirty first on New Year's Eve. So when she made her first trip to Iowa as a potential twenty twenty candidate, and again, she's she's expected to launch her campaign for real so to speak next weekend. So, but when she first got into the race her first trip to Iowa a bunch of reporters Astor, what does it mean to you to be running as a woman, and she immediately sort of pivoted back to what was the central message of that trip? Which is I'm not a career politician. I didn't get in this race. Because because you know, I I live in wash. You know, I am a sort of part of the Washington establishment was expected to run. I'm in this fight because I've been fighting for working class families for years before I was even a Senator when I was bankruptcy expert. So she I found it really interesting the way she answered that question because she didn't engage on it at all. And I think she will more and more. Clearly she wanted to drive that message. During her first trip. But even if it doesn't mean something to the candidates necessarily wanted something they don't want to highlight. It means something to so many people. So I think it will be very interesting to see how she sort of bridges that going forward. Right. I that's what I'm really curious about as well. It means so much to so many people who are going to be watching this coverage. Both have so many women running to have so many Hispanic testimony African Americans in a spin it Kennedy's running. It is a it is a monumental change in our politics and into David's original point. We're, you know, there'll be stories that need to explore that as but policy. I think still has to stay front and center ruby. Thank you want on David please stick around. We're gonna talk about what the heck happened at that Ralph north impress conference yesterday. And why reporters didn't find about find his yearbook before? Now how much more coming up in just a moment. You know, what's not smart job boards that overwhelm you with tons of the wrong resumes. Luckily, there's a smarter way to hire at ZipRecruiter. Ziprecruiter's powerful matching technology finds the right people for you. And actively invites them to apply. It's no wonder that ZipRecruiter is rated number one by employers in the US this rating comes from hiring sites on trust pilot with over one thousand reviews and right now listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at ZipRecruiter dot com slash probe. If you love this show show, your support to it ends up recruiter by going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash PR. OB? It was a tip from a concern to citizen. That's what led a far right wing website to go publish this photo from governor. Ralph Northerns nineteen Eighty-four medical school yearbook, regardless of the source, regardless of what website published at I it was important news newsroom. Scrambled to see if it was legit. And it was with hours, the CNN and other outlets had confirmed. The photo was real and now fast forward, today's frankly. Many journalists figured Northam would resign by now. Take a look at the front page of the newspaper in Richmond. This is the Richmond times dispatch on the left. You see the Saturday cover saying he was deeply sorry for the photo that on the right? Today's cover Sundays cover saying. Hey, maybe it wasn't me. What is going on Juana summers is back with me, and we're joined by Jackie Kusanagi CNN political analyst and Washington bureau chief of the Daily Beast as well as Howard Dean, the former governor of Vermont who ran for president in two thousand four governor dean since you've been in this position as a governor of a state and. Or the chair of the DNC? What is your position what should north and do? Well, first of all I have never been in this position. I was I was governor. I apologize. Yes. You look. It's okay. I, you know, I don't know Ralph north of I believe he's a decent person. But I think he has to resign. I don't see. He's just can't be affective as a governor after something. Like this. The interesting thing about this. There are some parallels between this Franken who's a very decent. Smart Senator the ground is shifted under people's feed people do not gonna put up with this kind of stuff anymore. And so maybe they would have put up with it in the past. But they're not gonna put up with it. Now, I noticed you re tweeted Bama era healthcare ministries or administrator Andy Slavic, he wrote this on Twitter. He said if you've worn black face or you've repeatedly said President Obama was born in Africa. You should resign. The point here is clear, it's a remarkable President Trump's own racist. Do you see a double standard of play Howard? Oh, sure there is there on the Republicans. You know, they have no morals at all. I mean, the Republicans are happy to ask Ralph northern design. They have a much worse guy who's heading heading their party. It's ridiculous. I mean, this is not this is very similar to the cabinet. This is very similar. The cabinet appointment who got appointed with all nothing, but Republican votes, they don't care about this kind of stuff because they're base doesn't care about this kind of stuff. I think if there was a photo of cavenaugh like this it would have been different. But I'll leave it might. You might have been Jackie the obvious question here. How was this missed? How was this year book missed by the media for decades? It's a really interesting question. It's a fair question. I think it's safe to say that it's open season on yearbooks. Now. No matter what you're running for. I personally was quite surprised that a med school had a yearbook who knew, but it it not only for reporters, you would figured up. Researchers would have turned this. And yet it stayed Durman. And it's a reminder that a lot of the things that we need to go back to the library. We need to go back to these primary sources that might not be on the internet when you're vetting. These candidates is a good reminder going into twenty twenty that's for sure. This is one of those media stories. I don't think really should be a media story. You know? Yes. This came from afar, right wing website. Yes. There's a lot of that kind of stuff out there. But the photos real so it doesn't matter that it came from a tip from a concerned citizen. That's what the website told the Washington Post now at it. Absolutely. Doesn't matter. This is information that is pertinent to Virginia voters that bits to the core question of whether or not governor north Emma's fit to lead his state, the other thing that this really highlighted is. If you look at that press conference yesterday, you know, the governor also admitted that hey, he says now that he's not the person who appeared in that photo. He doesn't know who is. But he also admitted that he and another point had been in public and black face for a talent show when he portrayed Michael Jackson. So, but no matter what the source of this information is coming out. It has taught us a lot. It has given voters and the media relevant information to report. And I think that's only good thing. Good. A good thing let's pivot to one another big stories of the week. And howard. I want to get your take on this Howard Schultz, his book tour that was also flirtation with the presidential run. Look at some of these headlines about Schultz's rollout a lot of the criticism of him especially coming from the left Howard. What's your view of what shalt is doing? I think this is a vanity candidacy. I you know, I've met Howard children. And I think he's done some good things in his life. This is this is a fool's errand. And I blame one of the guys I like who's working for them. I blame Stephen Schmidt a little bit. There's no chance that Howard Schultz is going to win the presidency running as an independent all he can do is throw the election to Trump by peeling off some people who would otherwise vote for Democrats. So the Democrats aren't happy with them. The other problem is that he doesn't have he he's running on something that isn't got not going to be successful. I do not believe the next president United States is going to be a billionaire as just you know, they just it's gone onto long. And so, you know, he has no shot as an independent, and this appears to be vanity candidacy, and he doesn't have really a lot to say either. Is on rankings the Emma's on Reagan's for his book. You know book comes on Tuesday right now, it's barely even in the top one hundred. There does not seem to be a lot of interest from the public and going out there and buying what Scholtz is literally selling. And I wonder if that's an indication for him going forward. Jackie. There were a lot of great interviews with Scholtz this week. I mean on an individual level a lot of great interviews. But collectively did the national news media? Give him too much attention, perhaps perhaps in and he was he was putting himself out there quite a bit the other way to look at this on terms of his seriousness as a candidate is he doesn't seem to have a plan. There is news last week that he's going to start going to the early states. I hope one of these consultants told him he doesn't have a primary as an independent candidate is. So it it really is an end who's calling for to governor dean's point who says constituency who's calling for this? This candidacy, and that's something that you know, we should look at in terms of coverage as we go forward in this race. One allows word to you are journalists sometimes infatuated, by billionaire candidates for some reason, I think that could be a fair point as I was thinking about Howard Schultz considering writing I'm reminded of something that another billionaire Tom sire told me when he was still considering jumping into the presidential race himself. He told me in an interview that the presidential race is where the conversation about future of America's having. And so that's why he could see himself playing a role. And I think that they're I don't know. I think there are many different ways to play a role in that conversation. And it's been Howard Schultz has something to say that he wants to inject an he's choosing to do it in this manner. It seems. You know, I I said last word, but when asked Howard about that as well. I mean, we're exactly one year to the day from the Iowa caucuses. Do you have a sense Howard? You've prediction about what the feels going to look like a year from now. I I have a feeling center of the folks that are saying they're going to run will not actually be there in a year. Oh, sure. That's absolutely true. I mean, this the other thing is Howard Schultz has no platform until after the primaries over over this is insane to to try to do this. As far as all, our our feel I fully expect somewhere north of fifteen candidates. And I don't think most of them will make it to the starting line because you have to raise a lot of money, and you can't raise money in the Democratic Party anymore by taking huge amounts of money for a political action committee because you're gonna get crushed by the voters because they are furious about the corruption and Trump's administration. So they got if they can't raise money on the internet. They can't really run. So I expect after Iowa and Nevada New Hampshire and. South Carolina, which was the first four states. We'll probably see absolutely no more than five candidates heading into California. And if you had one bit of advice for covering the twenty twenty thousand field, obviously, you come from a position here a liberal position. What do you wanna see the press due to hold these candidates accountable? I do a better job than you did against Hillary Clinton. Don't make up news. New talking about come on. What what what news was made up? Our the news, for example, that the Canadian nickel mine that was supposedly being pushed by the Russians when the times inverted the time frame and never corrected it. There's a long list. I heard Jacqui and wanna interrupting Jackie what was your reaction to that. I just I mean, we covered Hillary Clinton fairly and thoroughly I can only speak for the Daily Beast. But I think there's a lot of unfair criticism, frankly that comes from the left and the right when it comes to Hiller, the the Trump and Hillary Clinton coverage there's a lot of you know, introspection that did go on about that race. But I think sometimes the criticism is unfair. Hey, there's still a lot of raw feelings that's for sure. Raw feelings about how two thousand sixteen was covered. And that is for real. All right, everybody. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it quick break. And then an exclusive interview with Alexandra Cossio Cortez's inside her top aide or chief of staff, you're not gonna wanna miss this will be right back. You know, what's not smart job boards that overwhelmed with tons of the wrong resumes. Luckily, there's a smarter way to hire at ZipRecruiter. Ziprecruiter's powerful matching technology finds the right people for you. And actively invites them to apply. It's no wonder that ZipRecruiter is rated number one by employers in the US this rating comes from hiring sites on trust pilot with over one thousand reviews and right now listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at ZipRecruiter dot com slash probe. If you love this show show your support to it ends at recruiter by going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash PR. OB? There's no doubt about it. Alexandria, Cossio Cortez or Eos Seaver short has true online power. She has more Twitter power than pretty much any politician is that President Trump according to this crowd tangled data published by axios. She's even past speaker of the house, Nancy Pelosi is number of Twitter followers. She's all over Instagram as well. She's using Instagram sometimes live videos on Instagram to chat with voters Taff conversations. They answer questions, and she's also using Twitter and other platforms to challenge conservative media. Critics and to fire back at them. But does her online power translate to political power? How her aides trying to make sure it does translate? Let's talk about it which way Kat chocolate bardy. He's a chief of staff to and he's joining me now from Washington shakeout. I'm really curious about what your last month is been working with her as a freshman congresswoman, how would you describe the first month? Oh, it's a whirlwind. I guess I mean, we didn't. Expect to show up into a government shutdown. So that sort of through everything off the off the rails. Right. But it's been exciting. You know, like Alexandria no- all the team that came in with her. We worked on the campaign. We worked hard to try to get here and try to get stuff done. So it's been great to actually be here and try to put forth law. The big ideas that she campaigned on into the whole power, as you know, as you know, better than most Fox News and other right wing outlets talk about AO see more than they talk about practically anyone on planet earth. There was a headline the other day from one of the FOX talking heads saying she doesn't think AO see is accessible in real life. You know, maybe an online life, but not in real life. What's your reaction to that? How are you trying to translate her Twitter audience, for example, into policy and actually making change? Well, I think the thing does exciting about the way Alexandra uses Twitter is she does make it about policy. Right. Like, she turned. She changed the entire debate on taxes in this country. Matter of days, she made green new deal the forefront of every single presidential candidates brains. Right. Everyone's having to respond to this stuff. Trying to say that Twitter power is not real life power is like trying to say that you know, someone going on TV and making a case or putting out Bernie's entertainment Medicare for all is not real powers dumb. Does not translate into real life. These are real policies. That's put she's pushing on Twitter, and she's using taxis. Sorry, you mentioned taxes. That's the sixty minutes interview. Right. Exactly sits down with her in early January. She talks about a seventy percent tax on the tenth Dow ten million dollar, and I agree with you. She has changed the tax debate. How strategic was that on your all's part? So the way that Alexandria uses social media, you know, one of the things she's they will do is. She's able to do things very quickly because she has a pulse on where the people are used as a way to basically Pierce the veil on things that everybody agrees on it. And things that a lot of people already. You know, the the people are already there on taxes. The polls show that it was overwhelming number of Americans want to have. Taxes on the rich. And then what she does with social media. She just says these things other people afraid to say and all of a sudden it creates a moment because she's not actually having seventy percent tax isn't a new idea. We had back in the sixties people have been sort of wanting to have this happen. It's been bubbling at the surface, and she's able to use her platform to suddenly give voice and give it power and turn into an actual policy and political debate. And the the thing that she really does. I think is incredible social media. She educates. Right. The reason Democrats have been scared about talking about raising taxes on the rich is they're afraid that they're not actually going to be able to educate the public on what marginal tax rates are. Well, Alexandria, just did that. And she took the Republicans attach. She basically showed how the Republicans have been making kind of a bad faith argument on taxes for years by trying to claim that somehow a seventy percent marginal tax rate will affect the working class year. And she said, no, that's not true. We're just talking about your ten million dollar here. Right. And so that's that's I think the real peace everyone talks about she's good at social media should not go. It's not about social media. She's gonna communicating and she's good at taking a message and actually educating people in Gainesville to realize how these very complex policies work. I've noticed that some Trump fans have compared him in favorable terms to Cossio Cortes, complimenting her social media prowess and his social media prowess. But when I brought this up on last week. So I asked if there was anything Trumpy and about her USA social media. She replied on Twitter. She said, quote, I think we use social media very differently. She comparing to Trump, what's your view? How do you see it? Yeah. I think that's absolutely true. I think I think Trump uses social media as a way to get to people's lowest common denominator. He used to incite fear. He talks about simplistic ideas. He started rhyming wall with fall and becomes a Dr Seuss of of social media Alexander's, actually using social media, explain complex policy ideas and try to build a move. Around real solutions. Right. And she engages in discourse with the people that are talking to on social media. So just because I'll grant that Trump has been affective on social media, and she's been affective on social media. That's like saying does to different people been affected on TV. They have the same tactics. And that's not true. This headline might have made you smile from politico. This was a piece titled why Trump's super fans dig AO see Representative Matt gaetz was quoted saying I aspire to be the conservative Eos. See, what's your reaction? You got any advice for them? I mean, you know, save advice that she would probably give as like beer and try to try to stay above the fray, like sh actually talk about policy actually, tried to have a real debate. And that's what she's trying to do. She she's taking big ideas. Really, bold, ideas, things that are sweeping ideas, and and putting the forefront. So if you don't have the content social me is not going to help you. I noticed my colleague D'Arcy making the point the other day that it he has a symbiotic relationship with her critics, they dunk on her. She dunks. Back on them. So what is your all's FOX strategy. Do you? And her talk about how to handle Fox News. Whether to go on Fox News, for example, look, so she's she's got an incredible. I think ability to figure out when to to engage with kind of conservative critics, and she does it every time that she can advance the conversation on some sort of topic. Right. So what you'll often do we saw with seventy percent marginal tax rate. Right. We also saw it with the way that FOX. And a lot is conservative media outlets were trying to focus on her looks and focus on on our style and clothing, and she uses those moments to try to reveal a larger bias in a larger systemic problem in conservative media. So she doesn't just, you know, dunk for the sake of dunking everytime. She dunks. She'll take to try to bring the composition of about something. That's the stomach we wrong or systemically a problem. So their strategy. That's that's what I've seen. But I was curious for your perspective. Thanks so much for being on. Sure. Thank you. Coming up here on reliable. Sources President Trump says he's a defender of the free press. Really? He said that we're going to talk about his recent interviews and why they've gone into overtime right after this. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Zanny dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame styles and materials there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. Plus Xeni offers prescription sunglasses that incredible prices. Visit Xeni today at Xeni dot com slash CNN. That's Z E N N, I dot com slash CNN. President Trump not ruling out another government shutdown. That's one of the headlines from his Super Bowl Sunday interview with CBS Trump has been leading his recent interviews, go into overtime talking to the New York Times for nearly ninety minutes, for example, times publisher AG Salzburger was there. He tried to reason with Trump saying your making conditions more dangerous for journalists all around the world by claiming fake news all the time and Trump just talked right past in saying I'm treated badly, I'm treated badly. But look at this particular exchange. The United States. The occupants of of your office historically, have been the greatest defenders free press and flip in Latium to I want to be I want to be. Well, every day's a new day every new new chance, I guess for the president to be a defender of the free press. His media critiques are predictable at this point. You can read some of them here from the times interview. Notably says local TV's really great to him. While the national networks are terrible. But the point in the times interview over and over again as they says he's doing a great job that he deserves better coverage that comes through in the CBS interview was well, let's talk about it with David zero Wicca the Baltimore Sun. He is back with me now this relationship between Trump and the times, we know it's twisted. But it is remarkable to see the times publisher trying to get through to Trump about these media dangers. Yeah. Brian. That's the most important thing about this interview. I mean, the questions were very good people, really good reporters. Trump. Trump was the great reflector as I think Chris Cuomo once called him. It doesn't matter if you put them you can't pin them down as a matter of fact, the times ran a piece the next day. The interview ran on thirty first on February. I they had a piece. That near the end said it's very hard to pin down which admitted they had a problem. But the important thing you put your finger on about this interview. I think is the actions of the publisher souls burger, I when Trump as I read a Trump wanted to go to dinner with him off the record the talk about the relationship, and he said, no, let's do an interview with. Yes with reporters. Brian. This is a great model for every publisher in America because you know, every night of the week somebody who doesn't like something in a newspaper is asking publisher to go to dinner with them and talk off the record. This says, no, let's do it publicly, and it's really smart business because so's burger gets all the traffic for the website by having this interview that day, but more importantly in a moral sense. For the press we get to see him publicly confronting any did it in a polite respectful way for the office of the presidency confronting Trump. About what he's been saying about the press and the problems it is causing for a free press in for democracy. I mean, you know, I'm not God bless sills. Burger forty did. That's the most important thing about this interview and four times than Trump says, I'm sort of entitled to one good story in the New York Times because I grew up in New York that was revealing also and at the end he tells his aides when they call Maggie Haberman. Peter Baker let me speak to them. Also, really interesting. Let's look at this morning's interview, this is a President Trump sitting down with CBS's Margaret Brennan watch. How Trump says excuse me when he feels like he's being challenged by Brennan. What surprise you about some of the questions that Robert Muller asked you? We'll look the Russia thing was a hoax. I have been tougher on Russia than any president maybe ever. But then any president we will win into to the investigation that the special counsels conducting thirty four people have been charged here. Okay. You ready? Okay. You're ready of the thirty four people many of them were bloggers from scou- or they were people that had nothing to do with me had nothing to do with what they're talking about. Or there were people that that got caught telling a fib or telling a lie. I always love seeing the president faced with the facts, you know, when a journalist tells them the truth makes them wrestle with the truth. And you see responser excuse me, excuse me. He doesn't want to have to hear it. Let's look ahead David to the state of the union because it is finally on Tuesday night. And fact, I can is going to be a real issue here. The president has been much more deceptive in year two than in your one has line is getting a lot worse. So do you think broadcasters have to get a lot better about fact checking in exchanges or after speeches, Brian, I think cables ahead a broadcaster broadcast news, not surprisingly? And I think the fact checking has been better, and I know from talking to people who are involved in it, they're busting their behinds trying to do. There busting their brains trying to figure out better ways, and you can see it on the screen. It is getting better. But here's the thing about the state of the union that I think is going to be great, the, you know, tell you, and I both know visuals matter more than anything else on television more than anything. He's going to say unless he calls a national emergency or something like that the image of Nancy Pelosi standing behind him over him literally with that Gav. Right. I don't know how he's going to deal with that. And you know, you you gotta believe he's not going to stand there after she denied him and made him only come on her terms to that chamber that visual is going to speak volumes. I think especially to women in this country. Who felt who feel rightfully I think that President Trump has not been especially sensitive women's issues having her in that position of power that was very generous of you to say. View to say it that way this lot more to get to including the Intel chiefs. How unsettling it is to know that the Intel chiefs are contracting Trump on everything? But I want to ask you about something positive before you go you review, the new Mr. Rogers documentary, it is premiering on television this coming week on HBO PBS. What is the lesson from Mr. Rogers in this day and age, Brian I did it for an escape from politics. One week. I swear I when I talked to my head or so, let's take a break. But this is what I watched it. I realized how incredibly unneighborly this country had had had become and I realized that Mr. Rogers was in many ways the end tip assists of President Trump. He's modest he spiritual. He's quiet. He's empathetic. I won't give you the edges for Trump. We all know what those are. But it's a different version of masculinity that he offers to America, you know, and under Super Bowl Sunday where it's all left one fifty trucks and alcohol and big guys. It's really I think I'm not saying Mr. Rogers is the only version of masculinity. But I think it's time in this country for seeing it, and that's why I think this this documentary that are Saturday night is so important in why it did twenty two million dollars at the box office in release you. That huge documentaries. It's called won't you be my neighbor. It is wonderful. I haven't seen the primary next Saturday. David. Thanks so much giving us a preview. Thank you, Brian. And as we mentioned state of the union, it's finally here. It's this Tuesday. It is President Trump's biggest audience of the year. It'll be his biggest ratings of end of the year. Live coverage starts here Tuesday night. Eight pm eastern time on CNN up next year a writer and an editor who both say their publication has been dented by demand for pro-trump coverage why they quit red-state next. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Is there any room left for critical coverage of President Trump on the right, as you know, the weekly standard recently shut down on Friday. There were reports about to Washington Examiner reporters leaving for apparently unsavory anti-trump sentiments. And also this week a red state writer and red state editor issued a call for consistency saying they were quitting because they felt well actually it's have them. Explain it in their own words, Kimberly Ross is the former red Sates senior contributor Andrea Ruth is a former contributing editor we're working on Andrea a signal. So Kimberly, let me go to you first. What happened? What went wrong red state? Well, we have been both of us have been there for a while. And it had just been declining since Trump, I guess ascended to the White House thrown in two thousand sixteen but more specifically in April of last year. There was a what we call a purge and one of the editors in many of the writers who are Trump critics were let go without any warning. An whilst Salem did say it was a financial decision. I believe in. Andrea does as well that it was ideological in nature, and especially since then we've noted you notice even more of a decline toward pushing back against those who are critical Trump in any way, and we decided to leave and we wanted to make a clear statement on. That's why we wrote this piece enter you describe this as a purge that happened of a voices that were more skeptical or critical of Trump is is there room left on the right four tough accountability journalism about the president. I think that that's exactly what people are kinda. Wanting and needing conservative media's role is to. Call it the other side's, bad ideas, and keep our own side honest, and when you're dealing with aside, and especially Trump who has definite issues with the truth. I think you absolutely do have a place in conservative media for being critical of Republicans. But but is there an audience for that? If there was more of an audience wasn't there me more of a vibrant? You know media ecosystem for that. I guess I I honestly don't you can't go into details of numbers and things like that. I think what red state fell into particularly is click pay journalism. So in my experience, at least, I think there seems to be room for that. But of course, with Facebook and Twitter and things like that. We're still dealing with this landscape and trying to figure it out. And Kimberly Salem media is the owner of red state as well as a number of other conservative media brands have you heard anything from them since resigning publicly. I'm Howard me things from Salem or any of its other brands seen some low back on I guess social media about how we shouldn't have maybe done what we did in. That were traders and sell outs because we did. But again, I have no pets, and I don't think Andrea does either. I think it's a statement that needs to be made, and we need to push for more consistency in especially conservative media. On your all species up on the bulwark dot com. That's where you can read the full open letter, Kimberly. Andrea thank you both for being here. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. And it's an ongoing issue. Really interesting issue about the state of conservative media a little break here. And then a preview of tonight's big game. And why it's such an important moment for the news business and for the media business will right back. 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Nothing else in America gets one hundred million plus viewers all together for the same thing at the same time. Nothing else even comes close. So it's the biggest TV ratings day of the year and huge for advertisers to this year for the first time. The Washington Post is running an ad it's narrated by Tom Hanks, airing some time in the fourth quarter. Saw be looking out for that. We get into all of this and much more in this week's reliable sources podcast check it out through apple or Spotify your favorite app, and we'll have a complete recap of the media have minds in a post game edition of the reliable sources newsletter or out of time here on TV. We'll see you right back here. This time next week. File number DR, two nine five seven seven one the unsolved murder of Elizabeth short. The blackout yet. You may have heard of the black Dahlia it was the name given to Elizabeth short. A woman who is savagely killed in Los Angeles in nineteen forty seven her body was cut in half and posed to horrifying effect. For information leading the arrest and conviction of killer. The crime scene photos are out there, but a little warning, you can never unsee them. It's part of the reason that more than seventy years later, it's still the most famous unsolved murder in American history. Black. Dahlia stories have been told for decades my sister, and I have heard them since we were little because we were told that the killer was part of our family. You think you committed the perfect murder? Someone listening to this program is going to bring you Justice. Body was his canvas and his scalpel was his paintbrush. That's our oncogenes. And for twenty years. He's been uncovering evidence luring him closer to the devastating truth. It was just like one of these flash moments. This is it this is why he did it. It was the first time. I started thinking like my father. But this isn't just a black Dahlia story, this is the story of family. Our family and it's terrible past. When I found my birth. Mom. She told me her father, which would be my grandfather headed night, Hugh, higher the nine Stein, and that he had been investigated in the black Dahlia murder so about by his time. I'm ready to drop dead, the more and more. I learn about growing up I just thought wow. From a really dark family. This got a lot of fucked up things that I don't even know about their cycle, and they're still shoe paths. And I tried to figure out which one my mother was it turns out that murder is just one of the dark Odell secrets open a couple of closets. Go back generation or two and you're gonna find some pretty shocking things for the first time ever all of us are ready to tell our story the real story of the hotel family role. Crazy, but everybody is my name is Yvette. And I'm Russia, and we're proud to bring you the new podcast documentary series root of evil. 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