Interview with Pittsburgh mayor Bill Peduto on the horrific synagogue shooting; Interview with Congressman Adam Schiff; Interview billionaire Democratic donor Tom Steyer; Interview with former White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci; a clos
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He said the problem here is hate the problem is there is a growing place in this country for hate speech, and hate speech, always leads and turns into hate actions. That's what we're seeing over and over again. That's what we all need to reflect on an address thanks for tuning in. We'll see you back here. This time next week. A gunman storms Pittsburg temple killing Jewish congregants gathered for the Savon, this is the most terrific crime scene. I've seen in twenty two years with federal investigation a horrific attack motivated by bigotry and anti-semitism the mayor of Pittsburgh. We'll be here terror by mail an accused bomber charged with terrorizing people whom the president has criticized President Trump claims the media unfair coverage deep hostility and negative attacks. Should he turn down his harsh rhetoric? We'll talk to one of the bombers targets democratic donor. Tom Steiner and the president's former communications director, Anthony Scaramucci consumed by violence, a week of horrible pate fueled tents as the country approaches a critical election can the nation's political leaders help us heal. Hello. I'm Jake tapper in Washington where the state of our union is utterly devastated. Eleven innocent people were brutally murdered Saturday. When an anti-semitic gunman opened fire inside, a Pittsburgh synagogue, turning a peaceful place of worship and hope into a crime scene of death and destruction. The gunman armed with a semi automatic assault weapon. And at least three handguns stormed the sanctuary shouting antisemitic slurs to police officers in two swat officers were wounded in the confrontation one FBI official called it, quote, the most horrific crime scene he had ever seen today. The alleged gunman is in custody and facing twenty nine federal charges, including hate crimes on Saturday. President Trump denouncing anti-semitism and called for the death penalty. This evil anti semitic attack is an assault on all of us. It's an assault on humanity. It will require all of us working together to extract the hateful poison of anti-semitism from our world the brutal slaughter in Pittsburgh ends. What has been a hate filled week in America, a male bomber terrorized former presidents and others whom President Trump has singled out for criticism, including CNN and a shooter targeted and murdered to African Americans in Kentucky after trying and failing to get into a predominantly black church. All of this in today's before what has been described as likely the deadliest attack on Jews in the history of the United States. Joining me now is the mayor of Pittsburgh Bill Peduto, mayor doodo, thanks so much for joining us. And I'm so sorry that it's under these circumstances that we're talking. Thank you. We saw so many of your city's residents coming together for that very moving vigil last night. I know you personally knew some of the victims. How is Pittsburgh copen? Our hearts broken. We are a small city what affects one community affects all of us. And right now, I would say that there's a shock that is over the city. But you know, Pittsburgh's a strong city. We are a people that have a strong resilience, and we will get through this. I know the investigation into the shooter's moving forward his motive seems obvious from his social media posts. But what if you learned from law enforcement about why you know, as they try to figure out why this happened. Well, the investigation is obviously continuing right now the social media posts were discovered early while the situation was still ongoing. It seems that the motive is very clear that he had sought out this one synagogue because of activities that they had done working with refugees and immigrants and that his message of hey was against our Jewish community. We've learned a lot from the shooter's social media posts, which are just vile, anti semitism and anti immigrant sentiment worth authorities aware of any of these posts prior to this horror. And and do you think that authorities should have been aware of them or made aware of them by people at the social media companies? Absolutely not. There was no information on this actor there was nothing to create a red flag or an alert to something that would be any type of illegal activity. Let alone something this horrific. President Trump spoke out and condemned anti-semitism after the attack he says he's heading to Pittsburgh were you satisfied with the president's response to this massacre. Well, right now, our concern is really with the victims families and with those that had been injured, including our own police officers, the president's assistance in having federal officials coming to Pittsburgh in having F B I officials from around the country coming here is really what we've been concentrating on. In addition to the eleven killed, obviously several individuals were very seriously wounded, including police officers. How are they doing? Was able to visit with one of the officers yesterday. I'll be visiting with two of the other officers this morning with the officer that I visited his spirits were high. He was one of the two swat officers who were wounded in the gunfire. He actually had his artery severed in could've been much much worse. If it weren't for his partner in placing attorney kit on him at that moment, a rightful in three handguns recovered from the scene of the shooting. Do we know anything about these these firearms where they purchased legally? Is there anything in this in the shooter's background that should have prevented him from being able to purchase them? Yeah. Right now, there's a combined effort on law enforcement at local state and federal level part of that investigation is on the firearms that the individual owned, there's no new information at this time, however over whether the firearms were obtained legally or illegally we often hear after mass shootings. You never think it could happen here. You never think it would happen. You know, in our neighborhoods until it does what message do you have for the rest of America the rest of the world watching right now when we don't know where something like this could happen again. Let me just explain it to you this way. I this was my old city council district. I represented this area and worked in the the community for nineteen years before I was the mayor I live five blocks from where I'm standing right now, three blocks from here is we're Fred Rogers live. This is literally mister Rogers neighborhood. And when you think about the hate that is out there. And you think about the ability for irrational behavior to be empowered to do something like this. We really have to think about whether or not what we need are more guns to allow irrational behavior to continue or whether we need rational laws to make sure that it ends. Now, Pittsburgh is a very strong city. We are strong people, and we are resilient we've gone through a lot of things in the past. And we'll get through this. But Mark my words this will be a new Mark in a. Discussion that needs to happen in this country with people that are pragmatic in finding solutions to problems. Mayor Bill Peduto. Thank you so much again, our deepest condolences to you. And to the city of Pittsburgh. Thank you, Jake. Joining me now is congressman Adam Schiff. He's the ranking member of the house intelligence committee has been outspoken about rising anti semitism around the world. He's a democrat from California. Congressman thanks for joining us. So you're the top democrat on the house Intel have you been briefed on this attack on the tree of life synagogue. And is there any information you can give us on motive beyond the obvious semitic hatred that this man was filled with as evidenced by his social media posts have received preliminary briefings and very much in line with what we heard of the conference that the full belief is that this is the lone shooter. They're obviously going to chase everything down to make sure there's no continuing threat to anyone in the community or in the country. And it certainly appears that anti semitism was the dominant motivation. As is often the case social media provides the best window, but apparently he was also shouting anti semitic slurs during the attack. So his motive seems pretty clear. The president condemned the shooting and anti-semitism in very stark terms at an event in Indianapolis yesterday, and on Twitter are you satisfied without President Trump has responded to this tragedy. I'm not satisfied in a couple of specs first of all I don't think you blame the synagogue for not having an armed guard there. That's not the answer. We're gonna have armed guards in every church every synagogue every movie theater every concert venue. We can't have have armed guards everywhere. That's not the answer. But more than that what's fundamentally unsatisfying about what the president has to say. Is you cannot preach division three hundred sixty five days a year. You can't stoke people's animus towards the. Other. You can't vilify people coming to the country as murderers, rapists, and then on the day tragedy strikes. Sounded differ note, it just rings hollow. And that to me is the problem. It's not what he said yesterday. It's what he says every other day. It's I want to get to that in a second. But let me just drill down for one second on the armed guards part of this. Because. I heard from a friend of mine Saturday who was at a bar mitzvah and texted me in the middle of a bar mitzvah in Los Angeles, your hometown saying that LAPD came in and hit the synagogue, I believe has armed guards regularly. Anyway. This is not to blame the victims. But are we not in a world now where synagogues mosques other places need to have armed guards. Well, you know, it certainly feels like that today. But can that really be the answer is every house of worship now going to have to be armed. And of course, it's not just our houses of worship, you saw this man after going into a church unsuccessfully trying to get into a church shoot to African Americans the store because he couldn't get into the church. Are we going to have arm security at every store every concert every other venue? It just can't be done. That's not the answer. The answer is a two to spread more firepower round. We've got plenty of firepower. I think part of the answer certainly is responsible gun safety legislation. But part of it is also changing the climate that we're all living in we all have a major role to play in that. But you know, the the person with the biggest bully pulpit right now is the present. United States for better or worse than it's mostly for worse. And the way that he continues to divide us the way that really his whole political strategy is about division creates a toxic climate climate that is just sulphurous, and and that has got to change and he's not going to change. It's part of his constitution. We're going to have to change it all of us. We're going to have to take on this project without his help. And he just doesn't fund living on fundamentally understand that the job of commander in chief is to make us a more perfect union. So we're going to have to take that on. And I think we will. I was come back at times like this to something. Bill Clinton once said there's nothing wrong in America that can't be cured by what's right in America defenders of the president point out, a he's a strong supporter of Israel be. He had Yvonne converted to marry Jared, and he has three Jewish grandchildren and see they point out that this shooter this deranged, anti Semite in Pittsburgh. Had several social media post in which he blamed President Trump for being too cozy with Jews controlled by kikes as he put it apologies for the language. But it's important people know what this guy said out. Do you see this incident in that light? Well, first of all having Jewish children, grandchildren or support for the government of Israel isn't a licensed to traffic with people who are anti semitic. It just give you carte blanche. And more than that once you once you put this bile into the bloodstream, you can't control it. Yes. This this shooter thought Trump didn't go far enough to keep Jews out of the country to stop juice from infiltrating the invaders, but he also believed this shooter also apparently believed that Jews were funding this caravan. And so when the president and and supporters of his people around him. Jack, George Soros and say Soros's funding this caravan. They are trafficking in a well known and historic antisemitic. Trope you think that those who attacked Soros are being antisemitic? I do I do, you know, not all of them. But there's a reason why he's being singled out. He's not the he's a major donor. The Democratic Party is not the biggest owner is not the only donor it. He's not being singled out because of his height or his I color he's being singled out because he's a simple and for those who are in the the the world of white nationalism. He's a profound symbol of of the the Jewish conspiracy. The well-funded Jewish cabal of bankers and others that are controlling the country that are polluting the purity of the the American bloodstream, congressman, Adam Schiff. Thanks so much for being here in such a horrible day. We appreciate it. It could have been so much worse. A suspect arrested for mailing at least fourteen bombs one of his targets. Tom. Steinmeier will be here next. President Trump condemns hate and anti-semitism after a week of domestic terrorism. How long will the president's sustain that message of unity from supporter? Anthony Scaramucci is also here stay with us. You know, what's not smart job sites that overwhelm you with tons of the wrong resumes. But you know, what is smart ZipRecruiter dot com slash as so t you unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter doesn't wait for candidates to find you. Zip Recruiter finds them for you. It's powerful matching. 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I'm Jake tapper the horrific tragedy in Pittsburgh comes as a suspected bomber is in custody after million at least fourteen bombs to prominent Democrats and the media authorities believe Caesar CEO constructed those bombs in the back of his van, which is plastered with pictures of President Trump and his political opponents with targets over their faces a fist doomed with a carnage collage as it were one of those bombs was addressed to billionaire democratic donor. Tom Steiner who joins me now, Tom thanks for being here. And we're really glad you're okay. What I want to talk about the bomb in a second. But first, the President Trump and response to this horrific shooting at this Pittsburgh synagogue issued a sweeping condemnation of violence and anti semitism. Are you satisfied with how he's responded to this tragedy? Well, I think his response to the tragedy is was appropriate. But there's something much bigger than that going on here, which is the atmosphere that he's created. And at the Republican party is created in terms of political violence, and I think if you look across the political scene what you see is routine. Systematic lawlessness an attempt to break small d democratic norms in pursuit of victory at all costs. We see it in voter suppression. We see it in extreme gerrymandering. We see it in the violent political rhetoric. Of course that people have been alluding to all morning, but more than that, we see it in a president who doesn't who is been breaking the law, systematically as a candidate as a business person. And is the president so Republican would argue you say that Tom, but there was a capital. There was a shooting of Republican members of. Congress last year by a it seemed to Bernie Sanders supporter, what appear to be toxic substances or or hoax toxic substances have been sent to Donald Trump junior and his family Senator Susan Collins that it's not just Republican lawlessness here. What would your response to that? I would say there has been bad behavior on both sides. But you can't find prominent Democrats elected officials who refused to condemn it. You don't find prominent Democrats who are leading chance with violent overtones like locker up CNN sucks all the kinds of attempts to play to people's strongest emotions. And I think that everybody on the democratic side would look at that shooter of congressman Scalise. And absolutely condemn his action him and anyone associated with him. So I think that that actually is very much of a false equivalence not that there's perfection on one side. An absolute horror another. But we're seeing something that is not at all quivalent where this example of lawlessness, more broadly. I know you're bringing it back specifically to actual violence against public figures. But I'm talking about a much broader systematic attempt to disrespect the norms of democracy to actually disrespect the laws of the United States and an attack on the rule of law, and that creates an atmosphere where anything can bubble up and anything is bubbling up. Let me ask you because house majority leader Kevin McCarthy tweeted something about you. And then he deleted it. I want to ask you about it on Tuesday. He tweeted we cannot allow Soros Steinmeyer and Bloomberg to buy this election. Get out and vote Republican November six make America. Great again, hashtag. Now, a spokesperson for McCarthy says that McCarthy condemns this week's violence, and the tweet was deleted before the attack on the Pittsburgh synagogue. I did notice that George Soros is Jewish. Michael Bloomberg is Jewish. You're the third. Your dad is Jewish. You're jewish. What do you think? That's a coincidence. What do you make of that? Look, I have no idea. What congressman McCarthy was in his mind. I can say that his action. I think that the attempt to try and figure out what's in people's mind. Is a mistake. I think all you can really do a see what they say. And that was you know, in terms of interpreting what he said that seems to me like a straight up and semitic move. I think that that is a classic attempt to separate Americans. I think that absolutely falls into the category of what I'm describing as political violence. And I believe that what we are looking for in America is something completely different from that. And when people say, you know, there's loud language on both sides. I think that is absolutely false Jake. Because what we're seeing is terrible behavior consistent systematic political violence from Republicans, and when people stand up to it, then they described as strong language on both sides. I would argue that there's a complete difference between supporting. Justice creating injustice and opposing injustice, and that's actually what we're seeing. Let's talk about the bomb. That was mailed to you your tweet after the attempted bombing seemed to link the bombing what you're talking about right now, this lawlessness, you wrote we're thankful that everyone. We work with is safe. We're seeing a systematic attack on our democracy that extends much further than just one isolated terrace in Florida. That's why we are running an impeachment petition to end the culture of lawlessness in our country. It sounds like you are blaming President Trump to a degree for the bomb. That was sent to you is that is that fair. There's obviously no direct link Jake, but I'm absolutely associating and blaming him for creating the atmosphere that exists. We've the reason that we're I've started and have been running an impeachment petition drive is. Because in my opinion, he is corrupt and break lawless and dangerous and that the result of that is to change America to attack the rule of law, and it's important to. To step up and oppose that kind of behavior and that kind of atmosphere directly now, President Trump, no doubt, where he here would say you've accused President Trump of treason, you've said he committed a traitor as active war, you suggested the quote nuclear war might turn public opinion against the president though you did take that remark back. What would you say to somebody who says you are creating some of this environment as well? I would say exactly what I sent you a couple of minutes ago, Jake when someone does something wrong, particularly the president of the United States is absolutely incumbent on people to openly oppose them and us constitutional means to do that. And so for instance, when the president looks at a UN report that promises unimaginable suffering to the American people and scoffs at it that seems to me to be the most abject dereliction of duty that in the history of the of the country for president to willingly put. Americans in harm's way and scoff at that possibility or probability that scholars are saying is going to happen is something where he's absolutely given up his duty as commander-in-chief, and I think it is really important if we're going to have a more positive twenty-first-century as an American century that we not only oppose what's wrong, but we stand up for what's right? Well, let me ask you are one of the leaders nationally for impeachment. You've been running ads now for a long time on TV traveling the country. I don't hear democratic leaders in congress talking about impeachment. In fact, the opposite. If Democrats take the house and do not alternately begin impeachment proceedings against President Trump. What will you do you will you work against Democrats? Well, let's take a step back. If I could check if you actually look at what Americans think, and what democ people who are registered as Democrats think almost eighty percent of Democrats registered Democrats want this. Impeach and remove from office. If you ask Americans, broadly, Democrats, Republicans independence more people are in favor of that than aren't. So it's not as if I'm representing some small part of the United States. I'm representing most Americans. So in fact, what we have is a movement that is asking for a different America, which is one that recognizes the rule of law gets rid of corruption and treats every American equitably and fairly. And so if I hear from elected officials that they don't like that I asked two questions are we telling the truth? Are we standing up for the American people in the constitution? And if they then say, it's not politically expedient for us. Now, I asked the same questions, and if we're telling the truth and standing up for the American people, we're going to keep going because when I early on your show, I heard someone saying that if President Trump really came down against bigotry, he could go through the fifty percent approval level. Let me make a point standing up. Bigotry is not something you do to go through the fifty percent approval level. You do it because it's the right thing to do. And that's why we're acting con Tom Steiner. Thank you so much pre. She ate your time. And we're so glad you're okay. Jake. Thank you for having me, one of the most important aspects of this week has been President Trump and his response to all of the horrors with questions about what kind of environment. The president is fostering in the nation. Unfortunately, the White House has all but abandoned the daily White House briefing in the White House declined to provide us with guest today. So we turn to someone who knows President Trump. Well, who served at the White House, and is one of his most ardent political supporters of former White House medications director, Anthony Scaramucci, he's out with a new book about President Trump called Trump, the blue-collar president Anthony, it's good to see you as always this has been a terrible week in the United States with these attacks on Jewish Americans. Black Americans the bombs that were sent to prominent Democrats. What is your take? Because I'm sure you hear it all the time. What do you hear? What's your take? When when people say, President Trump has contributed to this polarized in hating hateful atmosphere. Not they've he's responsible for any of the individual actions. But that he has contributed to to really ugly period in this in this country. Well, listen, I think there's problems on both sides. But I've also been very clear on this. I've said if the president and members of his staff, and I'll continue to say there's no need to have a a war with the media. As far as I'm concerned, you can have an adversarial relationship, but we should be de escalating this stuff. The president's got a great agenda of the economic situation's going very well. But you can see what happens when you're controlling the bully pulpit, and there's this level of bellicosity to the rhetoric and again know, the White House was they will listen, it's on both sides and the president's just hitting back, and I understand that. And I think a lot of those tactics helped him win the presidency, but he's now the leader of the free world, and he is the number one principal responsible person in government for all people Jagan, just as you know, he's the only person the president's the only person that we all vote for. So for me, I would love to see the stuff. Dial back on both sides. But good leadership requires that somebody go I and I'd like it to be him. I think he's a very good person as you know, I have been a very strong supporter of his on not saying that people are perfect. He certainly not I especially am not. But I do think we could be doing better. And I would like to see that happen frankly, yesterday, President Trump very clearly very unequivocally. Condemned anti-semitism talked about this horrific attack in Pittsburgh. But his critics point out that he has talked about, quote, very fine people marching alongside anti-semites in Charlottesville for days after I'd asked him to disavow white nationalist, David do he declined. Ultimately, he did do it not long ago he met with Ted Nugent to is antisemitic and posted antisemitic content on Facebook in the Oval Office. And the president said yesterday that you wouldn't think. Antisemitic attacks are possible today. But there's a lot of anti-semitism out there. There's a lot of bigotry of all kinds out there. And there has been a tolerance at the very least of it by the president and people in the White House. Well, listen, you know, the president the he has three orthodox Jewish grandchildren. You know, when I was in the White House, there's at least three or four offices that have MRs on them. I've traveled to Israel four or five times since I left the White House. It's not clear to me that people in Israel think that the president is anti semitic in anything big is very pro Israel, and has been incredibly supportive and one of the symbolic things that he did was move the embassy. So I think there's a lot of substance in terms of the policy. That's clearly not anti-semitic if anything it's very pro, Israel, and pro semitic if you will. But if you're making the point that there's some rhetoric, and there's some equivocation on the rhetoric certainly we can go all the way back to Charlottesville. Although I think that was a mala prov frankly, but I think in general we gotta tone it down. And you know, again, I don't want to repeat myself. But I think it's worth repeating. He's the president United States. He controls the news cycle and the bully pulpit, and he could do it. And if he does it I think he goes through fifty percent on his approval ratings. I think this sort of stuff Jake is a head wind on the president. It's probably a. Five to seven point headwind on the president in terms of where he could be in terms of the polls based on what's going on in the economy, and based on how people feel about the country right now, despite this sort of stuff up, you know, my heart goes out to those people. It's it's an unbelievable tragedy, and we talk about the crime scene, and you think about each individual person. I mean, you know, it's just if we had to figure it out we have to figure out a way to make this stop. I want to ask you about the president's response to the to the bombs that were mailed, thankfully, none of them. Went off the FBI director said they were not hoax devices the president. Has attacked the media has not said anything. About CNN. Even though we were mailed two of the devices. He hasn't called President Obama. He hasn't called former secretary of state or President Clinton. He hasn't called any of the people who received these devices. What's going on? Well, listen, I can't I can't tell you what's going on because I'm not inside the president's brain. And I'm certainly no longer inside the White House. But I think what is going on is that there's there's a war declaration. And so when he reads a statement like the one that came from Jeff Zucker he gets upset. He'll fire off a statement. Jeff's statement, I thought was fine. And I mean, it wasn't derogatory anything like that. He's just pointing out that the the heat is too hot inside the system. But the president probably took that as another salvo in the the war that's going on between the White House and the media. And so for me again, nobody's asking me inside the White House. But if they did I would say, listen, we have this huge opportunity. We're doing so well on so many different fronts economically over doing so well on national security situation. Very good progress happening on trade will likely get a trade deal done with China. Come on guys, we could. Better than this cosmetically and just go back to Ronald Reagan with Mike Deaver diff- Reagan and set the new cycle in a way, that's way, more positive and you'll see better results just to say just to people who don't know Jeff Zucker, the president of CNN put out a statement, saying not blaming President Trump for the bombs, but saying that President Trump and the White House press secretary don't understand that their words matter this came in the context of CNN had been sent a bomb. Sarah Sanders, put out a statement expressing concern for all those that received the packages, but did not mention CNN in that initial statement. And then the Trump campaign sent out an Email to supporters that attacked CNN. It was within this context to the Jeff Zucker said the president needs to understand that his words have meaning Anthony Scaramucci, we thank you for your time. I think I just think Jeff statement was totally fine. Just because of the war declaration. That's why the shots are going both ways. Jake. That's that was my point. Okay. Well, I haven't declared war on anybody. And certainly when Don jR, and his family. And were sent a suspicious looking powder. I publicly and privately expressed concern to down junior because that's what human beings. Do. Let's get it going in that direction. That would be my message to people. And I think it's gonna be with you. Good good luck with your book. And thank you so much for your time. So let let's talk about this all with our panel and a Jonathan Weisman. Let me start with you just because you have become something of an expert on anti-semitism in the last couple years, and you've written a book about it. What's your take on on the ugly environment of that we've seen revealed in the last week in Anthony Scaramucci, just called the cosmic who talked about cosmetics? How President Trump could burst through fifty percent of he could just deal with the cosmetics of this. It's not cosmetic. If you if boards do matter, and if you full meant hate, and if you actually feel your that, the anti semitic or the bigoted followers feel that you're on their side. You are not just doing something cosmetic, you are actually doing something very real. I think what is happening right now is a product of the last three years are Lor. But is now bursting forward I've been warning about this for months and now we're seeing it David your from Pittsburgh. First of all, did you know anybody that was hurt now? But you know, in Pittsburgh, I was talking about this. And he is from Cleveland and Pittsburgh. It's not like Philly, Jake big city. Pittsburgh's a very small city and heart goes out to lots of those folks there obviously city is as rallying around, but it's it's incredible tragedy. It should never have occurred to kind of push back on Jonathan said echo. Anthony said this president has. What you said you may feel Jonathan and you've got different experience than I do as a Catholic guy. But this president took an incredible grief for standing with the people of Israel globally was condemned for standing with the people Israel, you know, I'm Jonathan you can't shake your head. I mean, he took I will. Took the over whether the president stands with a government in Jerusalem. Jerusalem, the Jewish people in the United States is. You think he's not standing for the people of Israel by moving. But no one's talking about it. But don't you all the Jewish the okay, the diaspora writ large? You don't think it matters. You don't think it matters that he has grandchildren who are Jewish or that his cabinet is half Jewish or is it was Anthony points up. But soon after okay, we have Mnuchin you had Cohen you've got other folks there got missoula's in the White House. This is a guy who you could call them a lot of things, but anti Semite isn't nobody's calling them. And the crazy guy who did this was rallying against Trump for being controlled by the jets social media post. Let's let's bring in a medic something that Donald Trump could do he could start hauling in the executives for these social media companies loud, this speech to thrive on their platforms. Yeah. That could be for people who don't know gab is where this guy posted this shooter in Pittsburgh, posted a lot of social media posts gab proclaims itself to be one hundred percent, free speech a platform. Unlike Twitter where you can say and do things that you can't do on Twitter, and that has meant in practicality that it is a place where a lot of praised nationalists. I just want to explain. That forms that tolerate hate speech. You get hate crimes. Do you think that that that environment fosters something actually acting? Absolutely. What do you think? I think that there is virtually no way to suppress the internet, you know, after Charlottesville episodes Bill, a number of organizations stood up and said they were going to root out the daily Stormer the Neo Nazi website. And then for a time the Neo Nazi website that door disappeared. It went into the dark web. And then it reappeared under daily Stormer dot name. Basically, we have to win the argument in the public sphere because we cannot. Lina? But before before I do, Nina, I just want to the last post of this shooter was a against a Jewish refugee agency that actually if you go on Twitter, you'll find out they helped CBS anchor beyond a goal agreed. And her family immigrated Giulio Yossi from G Q the writer, Gary Steinberg, like this is an organization that helps immigrants come into the country and settle and become successful in those three accounts. Anyway, he wrote his final social media post highest. That's the name of the group likes to bring invaders in the kill our people. I can't sit by and watch people get slaughtered. Screw you optics. I'm going in that was his last gab post. Yeah. Mean words create world. I mean, I agree with John. We cannot, you know, there used to be a saying sticks and stones may break my bones. But we're or names will never hurt me. No words create worlds and not that the president is responsible for any individuals. Reaction or actions, but he is responsible for the type of climate. He has created since he started running for president to this very point. And when scare Mucci said, you know, the president is not perfect. Well, you know what? None of us are perfect. We're not looking for perfection, but we are looking for decency. And that is what this president fails to exhibit tom-tom, again, he'll say one thing when his written for him, all nice and neat by staff. But then when he gets into these rallies, his true nature comes out. So he does have to take some responsibility for the type of racist bio climate that we find ourselves in which Jake is not new this is and you hear me say this all the time this is in the DNA of America. So I'm surprised that people are surprised what is happening is that what is in our route as a country is bubbling up now. And that's what people are surprised every generation we have to be fighting to a radically, racism and bigotry, so Jake not to address a man, I want to go back to it. Amanda said, right? I approached in airports and. Other places that Trump supporters have voiced the president and most people come up to me and say, I don't agree with the president. But you do a fair job defending let me tell you X Y Z Y don't very few people come up to me. None to date have come up to me and yelled and spit vitriol. Like, I get in Twitter. Right. You're my point is when you're faceless and you're anonymous, and you're sitting in your home and some remote place in America. It's very easy to spit hatred and the internet, but it's the internet. But my point is that vitriol, I'm signing that vitriol builds the punt vitriol and allows people to think well, okay, for me to do that this is kind of like the broken window theory of policing because we don't push back on the small broken windows that occur in the internet allows bigger crimes to occur like this. If we don't push back, and I know Hugh Hewitt got a ton of grief for this by saying if you're pounding on Mitch McConnell's table in a restaurant, you going to say no to that. Because it allow it gets grows and grows, and it allows people to be more and more hateful. You've got gotta push back at every we forget, it was only five days ago that Trump said, I am a nationalist. And he can pretend he doesn't know that there is a national conversation about white nationalism. He's playing let's fire. The president spent the whole day trying to clean it up. So so Jonathan statement. I know I know something that happened during the campaign that you thought was really interesting somebody who something but something about a scholar of anti-semitism and dog whistles and the rest had happened right here on CNN when President Trump talked to wolf Blitzer now this is after Giuliani who I mentioned just a second ago had written a profile of Melania Trump, and it wasn't a nasty profile. It wasn't a particularly friendly profile. There was just a profile journalistic profile after which is Julius Jewish and she was targeted with a whole bunch of vary. Nasty antisemitic imagery about putting her and others and the like wolf Blitzer asked on then candidate Donald Trump about this. Take a listen. Anti-somaliland about that. I don't know anything about your hands of mine. Supposed- fans of yours a posting these. You'll have to talk to them to these fans is I have a message to the fans. Why do you think that's important? I think that's important because time and time again when the president has been given an opportunity to stand up forthrightly and condemn the hatred around him. He has shown diffidence reluctance or that kind of thing that it's not my fault. You know at the same time Malania Trump was confronted about. Julia Fay's profile, and the absolute anti semitic hate that rain down on. Julia. And her response was Julia provoked, it that is not standing up for the things that we like to believe America is about which is pluralism democracy love, thy neighbor, and he has gotten the chance so many times in so many times he is just let it Salat by. And the fact that he has, you know, Jewish folks in his family again scare Mucci brought up that's just like saying married to a black person. So that makes me less of a racism. I write some of my best friends are Jewish or Hispanic or. Digits. You know, what is in this man man's heart? I e the president comes out time and time again when he doesn't have a script in front of him. And that is what we are dealing with. We are in a moment of transcendence in this country and either we can continue to work to create a more perfect union, which we have to do every generation or weekend progress, and I see regret, I just I don't I don't believe it. I don't believe the president lows is Jewish grandchildren. Okay. I'll say that. No one is that I didn't say this. How about I? Okay. I don't believe the Prentice. Okay. Then I'm not trying to characterize that. Okay. I don't believe the president lows jewish-americans more or less John or I don't believe the president supports anti-semites anti-semite. What are you actually accusing the president of because I specifically addressed is not over. What is in in President Trump's mine? We're not calling them racist. We're not calling him an anti Semite. We don't know. But I am saying is the president has shown a reluctant time and time again to shun his supporters and his supporters as Andrew Gillam said, I'm not calling you a racist. I'm just saying the racist think you're a racist. Right. This is a case where they Semites believe that he is on their side. And he hasn't pushed back hard enough to say. So what do you? He said yesterday Duke when he's asked he's toss rod words like national nationalism. When we know what his supporters no dark when president. And if he. To continue president miss an opportunity wolf right there to back in the day to say that it Asian cracked it. The president should stand up. Fortunately, like he did yesterday and condemn this and condemn the actions. You know that the last that last advertisement of President Trump's campaign for president talked about global special interest as the Jewish faces of Janet Yellen. George Soros, and I think we went by went by. I mean, that's not a dog whistle. That's a blue Zell as somebody. Let me do we do we control room? Do you have that element running because we we talked about this? Okay. So this this was the last TV ad the President Trump and his campaign ran right before the election and his Jonathan Weissman accurately points out it uses the imagery of three individuals who are predominantly Jewish Janet Yellen and the fed chair Boyd Bank, blankfein from Goldman Sachs, and George Soros, who's a billionaire, financier and funds a lot of liberal causes. Let's just take a little look at that. Those who control the levers of power washing and for the global special. Power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed are working strip country of its wealth and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political. Sends a shivers down my spine it apps, and you know, what we can dismiss it. But I'm not drawing down. I'm not I'm not gonna dismiss it. I'll say this. Let me try to explain it. Perhaps. Right. So Goldman Sachs. There's an ad for Wall Street. Janet Yellen chairman of the fed, George Soros billionaire left left wing guy. That's how I see that didn't have Sheldon Adelson billionaire by. It's like Atta against Democrats Republicans. That's part of that out against Republicans week. We can deny we can deny it. But fact is. Actors. We all agree about one thing. Right. It's a terrible thing. This is all terribly these Dowd back. We also haven't discussed should the mental health crisis. It's raging in America. Right. Because none of these folks are healthy people that did these acts. Right. None of these people on the line. The underlying they're crazy people. This question is question is whether or not any of them are being juiced up by what they're hearing. They're not getting care is in control of his faculties enough to construct twelve python in Detroit. When the president uses language like the press enemy of the people there people America who will take that. Can win. A everybody said let's let me address that everybody in the work of that guy said he was insane. Yeah. This is another thing. See something say something the guys drive around with the van that looks like shouting. I'm crazy. I need to be institutionalized. And nobody in his, you know, his Boston his boss said he was crazy. But you know, what he showed up for work. So I like. That's a health crisis is really all of this should not be laid at the because I, you know, I know people say it, let us say this. There are most people who struggle with mental Martin. Martin not violin not violin. And it's and it's wrong. It's wrong to stigmatize them. I'm sure we all agree with that. And then you know, what this politics, we should people should do everything to win but not anything to win, and we are living in a climate Agri where too many politicians President Trump included are doing anything to win. And they don't care about the fallout. But but no, Democrats guys aren't disarmed. Listen, I just said gar too many. But he's the president nine and the ad for one second. Do you really think that it's just a coincidence that the three symbols of globalism and special interests screwing, the working, man and woman are Jewish. Do you really think that's what I said? I was explaining the ad the way I tried to explain it. I didn't see it. I mean, I thought I didn't produce it. I don't know. What's behind the thing? You of it. I'm just giving you another opinion on the ad. I don't know it was liberated. I put. I didn't put the white nationalist language that they borrowed language from that cesspool to add. I see a bubbling up on Fox News, occasionally all. Business defend Fox News. You by the ad. Potentially innocent explanation that they're just picking I think, particularly I do live writ. I mean, these things there's a whole science to this date. Let's not delude ourselves that ad. Had Frank Lund. It was deliberate. But we don't know the. That's. As as a scholar of this. And I'm not making light of that. When I say a whole book about this. Do you think it's possible that it's a coincidence that those three individuals other than Hillary Clinton, and Brooke Obama that those individuals that the ad singles out our Jewish in the same way that Kevin McCarthy tweet about Bloomberg and Steiner and Soros is a coincidence. He just happened to mention to people are Jewish and one with a Jewish father. Well, let me ask you this. I mean, Sheldon Adelson who has also Jewish and is also very rich and his also funding a political campaign. The Republican campaign has failed to show up in any of this. I haven't seen anybody talking about I haven't I haven't seen Democrats railing against Sheldon Adelson for spending fifty sixty million dollars to re elect the Republican conference call conference. I'm sorry. I actually if you look back at the campaign, the two thousand sixteen campaign a number of times, I don't know who it is a number of times we saw very. Very strong evidence that somebody in that campaign was swimming in the alright world when that picture came up of Hillary Clinton on top of the Jewish star with have that element to let's put that up. So just so Jonathan Weissman. So people know what they're talking about. It was a tweet that the president sent out and it had it was actually that meeting was actually taken from an anti-semitic website somebody that did not. How did it? It was. Senator wanted to be a platform for the Albright with Breitbart news, and so. There there. It is now on the on the on the left is the Trump tweet. And it's it's about a Goldman Sachs and money, and it's Jewish star. And then they redid it with a with a circle. And then the initial explanation from the Trump campaign was that the Jewish door was a sheriff's star. Accepted came out of an anti semitic website. They are trolling around looking for these images. The you know what? The you know, what many people would see that and their Nazi? And they wouldn't understand it. But if you're in that world, if you're in the world of the outright, and you see that, you know, exactly where it came from. And that's the and that's the argument with object that Yellen blankfein, understand your point. I'll tell you that point in time Dansk Gavino said he did it Dansk Gavino said he cut and pasted it from a not from an all right website. But from Microsoft, whatever, and I can't tell you. We can go back and pull the the print from it. But Dansk Gavino owned up to it wasn't some grand conspiracy. You put it up and admitted to it so Vinas still in the White House. Yes. So so you're saying you're accusing Dansk Gavino being anti semitic. Yes. I am. Okay. So we let him push back. The you are a Republican. You're not a Trump supporter. I if you're a Republican win, you see all of these things and David doing his level best to try to explain this is where this happened. This is how this happened. None of it came from David, but he's trying to give the Trump point of view. That's what the intention was unsure do you? Do you buy it? It's not it's I say this is a coincidence. I know for sure that President Trump likes to still controversy, and he really doesn't have any moral objection to going to these places. He doesn't mind if we fight about this. How many times both sides after Charlotte? He doesn't mind in. So my question is no longer looking to President Trump to do the right thing. I hate after all these tragedies. We look to see what the president says because he's never going to suit the nation. I'm looking for other people to step up and have a better message boys or anyone I'm looking. I'm looking isn't everyone looking or are we just going to let Donald Trump dominate the conversation? Your other Republican senators that you find say the right thing or they were used to work for Ted Cruz does Ted Cruz say the right thing is there anyone here. It baffles me why no one is stepping up to that plan. No down. Yesterday. I'm sorry. We're all passionate. I'm here. Go ahead. Politics, again, go back to the point doing everything to win or anything to win. There is a big difference. And so most of these folks who are in these offices, all they care about their election. They don't wanna step on their so-called voters by chest housing people in coming out strong against racism and bigotry, we need that kind of leadership at all times. And you know, what if they lose an election over it? So be it by standing up and doing the right thing. You know, loser goes, I agree. There's no place for in the public square. It should be it should be widely. Condemned listen, why is hate so prevalent Jonathan's point why is it so prevalent where did it start? How does it stop? How do we get back? Stephen carter. Professor Yale wrote a great book about civility, right? How do we get back to civility in the public square? How does that happen? Well, I think social media plays a huge iron as long as they're companies that don't mind making money off hate speech continue to that's my wish. Someone would do. And governor Schwarzenegger said this to people look at this is kind of simplistic, but redistricting every ten years make seats safer and safer and congressman to be crazier and crazier and save more and more things that are not in mainstream. We draw these districts that are very left in very, right. And no check on anything all the hate that we've seen in terms of the three incidents. We talked about this this week or from the right far far far. Right. But Jonathan you know, that there's anti semitism and bigotry on the left as well. And we see it, and I'm not acquainting the two and the moral equivalents police out there. I'm not saying it's the same thing. But Louis Farrakhan is out there calling Jews termites and preaching hatred. And he is somebody who recently was on stage with several former presidents at a funeral. That was shocking. I mean, I know I go around the country talking about this. And I talk about Louis Farrakhan as as as. Bigoted. And as horrific as anything, you will see what comes out of his mouth is as awful as anything you'd he'll coming up. David dukes mouth. It's pretty much the same pretty much the same. But I like to say look Farrakhan's Farrakhan's power kind of peaked in one thousand nine hundred five with the million March and has gone downhill that line that I've used was so undermined by that image at Aretha Franklin's funeral of Bill Clinton sitting next to Louis Farrakhan, it made me sick. It really did. And I think that look the left needs to be speaking out as forthrightly as the right? No question. No question. Again, I'm not saying the same thing. But I'm not saying it's the same thing. But how? But how can why would why would it be tolerated on either side in term it shouldn't be? But it terms of a wreath the Franklin's funeral. I don't know. Who's on the invitation lists, you know, so somebody being at a wreath of Franklin funeral is not the equivalent at all about what's going on out at all. No. And I know you're not all agree with his. This is making me feel some kind of way, I will say this that both because we continue to see these things we left and right. Let's see about see through. Exactly that every this is all about how strong of a democrat. Are you how strong of a Republican argue when it should be about how strong of of a person to stand up for Humana. Reach. That's amount. Is right. It is amazing in my travels. What I how I see bigotry itself. Yes. Become a partisan stand up against bigotry somehow. You're a left wing lunatic. It's crazy. It's crazy and. We're we're travels to I've seen this kind of stuff at the hands of Democrats. I mean, there's a candidate right now. Devante Beccles who's running in California where we know to Democrats can go head to head where images of monkeys are coming out against her at the hands of supporters of her opponent, who's the democrat. So nobody has a premium on whether they can be racist bigoted. But what we do have to do is stop seeing everything through the lens of what what whether you're Republican or democrat and see it through the lens of what kind of country, and you want to be again people again and again propagate propagated in stoked by faceless. Nameless folks on social media, right? Everybody gets played so on that note of agreement. I'll it's tough to have these conversations we do it. But jake. Glad to this shows credit need, an talk we go we leave. We we're friends. I just wanted to say unlike the discourse it's being had on social media for people get to shout down people. Call them horrific names, and they vanish into the fellow. 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