Rpt: Nadler pushed Pelosi to start impeachment inquiry
Now it's time for the last word with Lawrence O. Donald good evening. Rachel and the high amendment has been the law of the land since one thousand nine hundred seventy six I believe basically saying that no federal money can be used an abortion, and that was as settled as settled issues. Get in Washington until today, because of course, Joe Biden has been around long enough that he was in a position to have to vote on that, and take a position on that as everyone did in the congress, then. And so it's back as an issue. I gotta say I for one didn't see that coming. I will tell you, I think that Senator Biden vice-president Biden saying today, his campaign saying today that he stands by that, that he still believes in the high demand, and he still thinks that's good law. I think that is a position that will not outlive, the democratic presidential primary, I think that women have led, I think Hillary Clinton on two thousand sixteen in two thousand sixteen lead on the issue of the Hyde amendment. The politics on this changed without vice. President Biden noticing the politics. On this have radically changed. And if he sticks with that he's going to drag that like an albatross around his neck with democratic women voters. And I think that positions going to change it is because in, in the Biden time in the Senate, it was always looked on as something that actually protected Democrats, because they always got to say. Being pro-choice Democrats that no federal money was used for abortion. And so it was used as kind of political shield by Democrats. It was, and then Hillary Clinton blew it up because the way the Hyde amendment works in real life is incredibly discriminatory in terms of reproductive rights access for different types of women in this country. And so she took that on, I think, really, I think she, she undid that, that those years of Democrats using that as a shield and trying to avoid the argument and that is what broke the dam on it when Clinton did that. And I think that just Biden, didn't notice and he's gonna get destroyed on that issue by his fellow candidates in the first debate. I'm guessing. Well, it's very clear that, that one of the big challenges for the Biden campaign is staying agile enough to not just twenty-first-century politics. But what is now going to be twenty twenty politics? And it's a different ball game as you say from two thousand sixteen or two thousand eight. Yeah. And it's I mean it reminds me of that. Aleksandra Qazi Cortez. Tweet back at Joe Lieberman. New party who? When women have have a different idea about that now and the women are leading the party. So it will be fascinating to see. Thank you, original. Thanks loans. Well, we have highlights of Elizabeth Warren's, townhall in Indiana tonight with Chris, Chris Hayes, including what some Trump voters had to say the House Judiciary committee is under tremendous pressure. These days on the question of impeachment, but the committee is proving that they can legislate and investigate at the same time, a House Judiciary committee. Bill went to the house floor yesterday and passed with two hundred and thirty seven votes. It provides legal status for dreamers and a path to citizenship. Some Republicans actually voted for that Bill and then today we learned that President Trump has new cruelties planned for the children being held at the southern border no more English classes, no more playing soccer. You'll want to hear the passion but freshman congressman Jona goose the son of immigrants from east Africa brought to this subject on the house floor. We will show you that video. From the house floor at the end of this hour, and Carson goose will join us. He is a member of the House Judiciary committee. So we will also ask him about the crucial question of impeachment that the committee is now face Republican presidential candidate Bill. Well, former governor Massachusetts, and a former federal prosecutor will also join us tonight. We will ask him if he supports impeachment proceedings against President Trump, and we begin tonight with the chairman of the House Judiciary committee, Jerry Nadler, who has expressed new confidence today that Robert Mueller will testify to his committee and an engineer with NBC news chairman Nadler said this. Thin with them. All. This is so what you need to subpoena him to make that we. In city, we'll have we have to go. He late commenting, not too much later. In an interview on CNN chairman Adler said it may very well, come to a formal impeachment inquiry. We will see today house speaker Nancy Pelosi was asked if she was feeling pressure from the several democratic presidential candidates who now support impeaching, the president looking ahead to next week and votes that are anti disciplined for a contempt. Have you made decisions about any penalty mechanisms that you would like to see and then more broadly? Are you feeling any influence from the twenty twenty contenders and the electorate more broadly about any actions? You might take well, first of all, the chairman again, I'm very proud of the work of the committees six great committees of following the facts and making decisions about how we go forward. This is judiciary committee, largely. Could be more by Tuesday. We'll see how the administration response to the intelligence committee more and that and that we go from there. So that's going to take it one step at a time. No, I'm not feeling any pressure and let me just adjust that I see in some metropolitan journals and on some TV that we kind of find our way or unsure. But make no mistake. We know exactly what path were on. We know exactly, what actions we need to take. There are now sixty one members of the house representatives, including one Republican who have made public statements in favor of starting impeachment proceedings against President Trump. We don't know how many silent members of the house are in favor of half of the twenty four Democrats on the House Judiciary committee. Now support an impeachment inquiry a new morning. Consult poll out today shows that thirty eight percent of Americans believe that congress should start impeachment proceedings against the president and forty eight percent believe that congress should not in a new article in G Q, entitled, the political costs of not impeaching Trump, former Senate staffer Adam gentlemen writes, Richard Nixon's approval rating was at sixty five percent when his impeachment process began and only nineteen percent of the public supported his impeachment by the end the numbers had flipped his approval was twenty four percent and support from payment was fifty seven percent. Tonight on an Indiana voter asked Senator Elizabeth Warren of bottom payment. She said this. The Muller report came out in the afternoon, it came out, I say down and started reading it and read it all afternoon. And I read it all night already it into the next morning, all four hundred and forty eight pages. I got to the end and there were three things that are just man. There's no avoiding part one. A hostile foreign government attacked are twenty sixteen elections for the purpose of getting Donald Trump elected part to VIN candidate Donald Trump welcomed that help and part three when the federal government tried to investigate part one and part two Donald Trump, as president delayed, deflected move, fired and did everything he could to obstruct Justice, if he were any other person in the United States, based on what's documented in that report, he would be Terry d- out in. Handcuffs now. I took an oath of office, not to Donald Trump not to any president took an oath of office to the constitution of the United States of America. And that constitution says no one is above the law, including the president of the United States. This is politically tough again, but some things are bigger than politics, and this matters for our democracy, not just now but under the next president, and the next president, and the next president, we have a constitutional responsibility here, and that's to start this impeachment proceedings. Tonight. The question is, what is happening in the house of representatives? And there is a new report in politico tonight at this hour saying that and I'm quoting from the report about chairman Nadler and speaker Pelosi disagreeing about this politico says Nadler, pressed Pelosi to allow his committee to launch an impeachment inquiry against Trump. The second such request. He's made in recent weeks. Only to be rebuffed by the California, Democrat and other senior leaders Pelosi stood firm reiterating that she isn't open to the idea of impeaching Trump. At this time. So are Democrats waiting for the voters to come to impeachment or are the Democrats leading the voters toward impeachment. And for the view from inside the house of representatives. We are very fortunate tonight to be joined by a senior member of the house of veteran of the Clinton impeachment proceedings, Texas. Democrat Lloyd Doggett, who is a member of the powerful House Ways and means committee. Also with us. Adam gentlemen, who served on the Senate staff of Senate majority leader, Harry Reid and carbon dioxide, let me begin with you and your reaction to this reporting in politico that has just come out that indicates that chairman now Bler has basically been trying to get the okay from speaker Pelosi to move to impeachment proceedings. And speaker Pelosi is opposing that is that your understanding of where it stands tonight. Well, I haven't verified that report or talk with him since flying out today. But, you know, personally I've come to the conclusion. And not eagerly and not quickly that instituting impeachment proceedings is what we must do. And I believe that a majority of the judiciary committee feels that way. And perhaps chairman, Nadler, who's done an extraordinary job is reflecting not only is own views, but that of his committee, I came to that conclusion because I don't see our actions thus far as being an effective response to the total obstruction of the Trump administration. And I think the clip you just showed of Senator Warren, who's always ticket and powerful really summed it up. Well, we have a duty to the constitution and a duty to our democracy that we must fulfill, not only because Donald Trump appears to have engaged in criminal conduct. But because we're setting the precedent for future presidents cars from Doug, I'm sure, you have a high degree of sympathy for Democrats, especially newly elected Democrats in swing districts who've taken seats away from Republic. Pins that could easily go back to Republicans in another election. A democrat from Texas in the house representatives knows that there's another party out there. Obviously, the used to be a lot more Democrats from Texas in the house of representatives do you? How do you see the politics of this for those colleagues of yours in those swing districts who run that risk who have to who have to calculate much more carefully? What this would mean to Republicans in their district and Republicans who could otherwise be willing to continue to support that democratic member. Well, they'll that whole issue figures, prominently in the speakers thinking thirty one Democrats in districts that Trump carried a very concerned about not only replacing Trump ultimately. But ensuring that we have a Democratic Congress finally that can respond to a new president and move forward on the issues. We all. Care about so much. You know, I think the effect is mixed, but my experience has always been that if you stood firmly and clearly for your principles and defined them that people would respect them. Even a time of great division like this. I believe that most of my colleagues in those districts who are forceful who explained clearly, and who and we begin to lay out to the public. We're always told we'll the Senate will never convict. I think we have a responsibility to, to do the preceding if we conclude that impeachment is appropriate. The final judgment is not only that of the Senate, but of the American people who may be the ultimate voters on this issue in November of next year, and they need to be fully informed about all the crimes that the president apparently committed Adam gentlemen, the kind of political considerations that I was just raising that we know have been raised with the speaker about the risks involved for Democrats moving. Impeachment, and how that could risk the positions of democratic house members in swing districts that is countered by your new piece about the risk the political risk. You're talking about the political risk of not impeaching Donald Trump. What is that risk for the Democrats? Well, if you want to put it clearly in political terms, which I do. The risk is, is low turnout. I mean that's what you're talking about here. The risk is that we spend the time between now and election day seventeen months having these kind of arguments. I mean these kind of politico stories about disagreements within the caucus rather than uniting behind an effort to use the power. The House Democrats have and wielded effectively to hold Trump accountable. I wrote in the piece about my experience in the Senate when America Ireland was up for confirmation, and McConnell blocked him. And, you know there were some extreme measures we could've taken, but we looked at the polls that showed Hillary Clinton confidently beating Donald Trump. And we said, you know don't let's not rock the boat. Let's not do anything extreme win. The election of president, Hillary Clinton will send her supreme court nominee to be confirmed by Democratic Senate. It didn't work out that way, when you have the opportunity to wield power against your opponent politically, you should use it and courage, dug out and gentlemen, makes the point in his piece that one of the biggest risks politically that the Democrats run in their current. Mr. is the risk of looking weak by the failure to take action. I think Adam has a very important article the focus has been mostly on the, what would the cost be to Democrats of impeaching and not enough on the cost of failing to do our job and sitting on our hands? We were elected to defend the constitution, and our democracy, and to stand up to Donald Trump when he's wrong the evidence out there is really for reaching, and I think we need to do our job not sit on our hands. There's no reason that we can't continue to attempt to legislate, as we did this week as you noted very important action on the dream act as we have done week after week and sending bills to the Senate that the Senate will probably sit on. But that's not a reason to avoid eye responsibility to protect the democracy by demanding accountability from this president and it seems the Democrats many Democrats in the leadership anyway, are. Using the experience of the Clinton impeachment, and that's something that cars from dog at sat through the house representatives, and their lesson is that the Clinton impeachment didn't work of Bill Clinton. The Republicans failed politically on that and Bill Clinton remained popular, what are your lessons from the Clinton impeachment that you would apply here and would not apply here? I mean look, the main lesson that I think is safe to apply most circumstances. Is that getting impeached as bad, it's just not a good thing to happen to a president? The Clinton situation was different than what we have now because Bill Clinton was was popular Ken Starr was not the public thought Ken Starr was on a fishing expedition, and they thought Bill Clinton was being treated unfairly that is completely different than what we have now where you have a president who is storage unpopular, and you have Robert Muller, who the public thinks has been extremely fair. Bill Clinton never stood for election, after he got impeached. So we don't really know how it would have played out. We do know that his era. Current Al Gore went on to lose an election that he could have one given that he was inheriting a booming economy. So there's an argument that it played out negatively politically in that respect. But the, the closest analogy is really the Nixon situation where the evidence against Nixon was severe, and it was overwhelming and it took a president who is at sixty five percent down out of office. So I think that is a much more appropriate comparison to make than the Clinton situation gentlemen. And Carson Lloyd Doggett. Thank you, both very much restoring often, it really appreciate. Thank you. And coming up. I will ask the only Republican running for president against Trump Bill weld where he stands on impeachment. Hi, it's Katy Tur. Wanna keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go. Subscribe to the MSN be daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented era of news, text MSNBC two six six eight six six to subscribe. This is the first presidential campaign. We've seen where candidates face the constant question. Are you for or against the impeachment of the current president of the United States? Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton were in their second terms, when congress initiated impeachment proceedings, so that puts a new dynamic in presidential campaigning. Most of the highest polling democratic presidential candidates for presidents have clearly come out in favor of impeachment. But what about the Republican candidate for president running against Donald Trump for Massachusetts? Governor Bill weld has some personal history with impeachment proceedings his first job in Washington was as a staff. Lawyer working on the House Judiciary committee with then Hillary Clinton as a staff lawyer doing the legal homework as the committee approached impeaching the president later, Bill weld resigned as the head of the criminal division of the Justice department over a scandal. Invoke. Moving attorney general, Edwin Meese, who was a wells boss, at the time and turn general Meese had been accused of using his office to enrich, his personal friends. Indications this morning that the legal problems surrounding attorney general, Edwin Meese may force more defections from the Justice department. The department was rocked Tuesday by the resignation of deputy attorney general own burns, and he was followed out the door by William Weld. Head of the criminal division both called it quits after they were unable to persuade the White House to dump me on grounds that his legal troubles are hurting. The department officials say, Meese was stunned and was hardly able to speak with told the resignations. Join us now news Bill weld, former Republican governor of Massachusetts. He is running for the Republican presidential nomination against President Trump. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Governor really appreciate Accu Lawrence always a pleasure. Let's go straight to the question of the day. Are you for impeachment of this president? You know, Lawrence, I've been slow to come to this conclusion, but I've finally come to the view that it is time I won't say pastime, but it's time for the House Judiciary committee, not the whole house to launch an inquiry not take a vote, but inquiry into impeachment of this president, and I said that for two reasons, one in recent weeks, one thousand former federal prosecutors not ten not one hundred but a thousand have signed a document saying that the evidence of President Trump's obstruction of Justice in the mullahs report is not even a close case. It's overwhelming, and I agree with that. And I signed that document number two. I think people have lost sight of the time line here. The Nixon impeachment started in October of seventy three. President Nixon finally lost that in August of seventy four ten months later, well, ten months from today would put us into April, which is well past the Super Tuesday. Day of the presidential primaries in two thousand twenty so we probably would already know who the nominees are going to be your have a pretty good idea. And that's not the end of it at that point, if the house voted to impeach the house within a point, six managers as, as prosecutors to go try the case in the Senate. That's a minimum of another six eight months, and I can tell you as a former quite veteran prosecutor, a complicated investigation white color with long lead time grand jury investigations takes twelve to eighteen months. It doesn't take six months. So if the congress doesn't act at all now, this whole thing may be over before they can act. That's a pretty powerful motivator. Well, what you just said. First of all, you're breaking news here tonight as, as a Republican candidate for president saying that this president should be the subject of impeachment inquiry by the House Judiciary committee. How are you going to bring that to Republican voters in these Republican primaries? Well, again, I'm just saying thousand prosecutors say this is a criminal offence. You never had that before you didn't have that with dick Nixon, he'd carried forty nine states, you know, things change in national politics. My friend and hero. George Bush forty one was at ninety one percent favorable rating in December of nineteen Ninety-one. Pat Buchanan won thirty something percent of the vote in New Hampshire primary two months later. Now that was the beginning of the end for my friend Bush, forty one so things do things do shift around and. You know, it's not my job to carry it to Republican voters. I don't mind citing the one thousand federal prosecutors in saying that I know what they're talking about, because I do, but beyond that, if people won't be persuaded they won't be persuaded. It seems in the reporting that democratic leadership in the house is a worried about those swing voters in districts that congressional districts that were, formerly Republican people who voted for a Republican member of congress. But this last time voted for democrat, they're worrying about alienating them. You would be trying to appeal to exactly the same voter holding the position that there should be an impeachment inquiry. What does that do to your path to the convention to your ability to pick up delegates going into that convention Lawrence, the unstated premise of your question? I think is that nothing's going to change after the house committee launches its inquiry inquiries have a way of. Unearthing information and voters, generally. If new information comes to light, they're going to pay attention to it. And the Nixon impeachment Nixon was usually popular, I was advised, not, not to take a position in that inquiry, even though I was on the Republican side. They said kid, it's going to be the end of your career because the president is so popular. He just one forty nine states. Well, Mr. Trump is not just one forty nine states. He's not ninety one percent. Approval of both parties says Bush forty one was but nonetheless, you know, you don't know what the inquiry is gonna turn up. That's the point of inquiry. Again, I emphasize, I'm not saying the how should take vote. I'm saying, I'm saying the committee and that's the relevant committee. Peter Dino's committee, that I served on was House Judiciary that they should just be permitted to proceed. I'm sure they'll have subpoenas. I'm sure that would be fights president Nixon wound up being an article of impeachment was obstruction of the. Subpoenas by the House Judiciary committee, that could will come again, because Mr. Trump has said he's not going to cooperate with nobody know how if they investigate him or his administration or whose family at all. I mean that's got a breathtaking. That's never been said before by a president. We'll see where that goes a quick word governor on your path in this campaign. I'm sure you hope to do very well better than Pat Buchanan in New, Hampshire, your neighboring state of New Hampshire. Then what? Well, two paths Lawrence one is geographic. It would be the six New England states down into the mid Atlantic, then California, and the west Oregon Washington. Some of the mountain and inter mountain states where I spend a lot of time in the last cycle Utah. President Trump got fourteen percent of the vote there in the primary. President Trump and California. Just don't get along at all. So I think I can play an all those states and some in the southwest. And that leaves only the rust belt, and as has been pointed out, some of those states have changed their mind that President Trump won in two thousand sixteen the Republicans got blown away in two thousand eighteen in Wisconsin Pennsylvania, of course. It'll be a huge battleground state. And again, I'm just talking about the primary. Now I'm not talking about the final, you know, I wouldn't have a chance in California in the final as Republican. But in the primary, I think I'd have some good prospects against the president in terms of politics. I'm not going to try to convey. Vert the Trump organizations in the fifty states, the Republican state committee's, in those fifty states now are made an ordered by Donald Trump. I'm going to try to go around the, the that base, so to speak, that's a tiny base by enlarging the electric bringing in more millennials more genetic Sers more suburban women voters. I think these abortion laws of the last couple of weeks or a complete outrage there, the chattel theory of women, they impune gender equality. I think that's going to resonate Republican presidential candidate Bill. Well, thank you very much for joining us. Thank you, Lawrence, appreciate, when we come back, we have more highlights from Elizabeth Warren's, townhall in Indiana, where she was questioned by some Trump voters. Three weeks from the first democratic primary debates and tonight, democratic presidential candidate, Senator Elizabeth Warren was in Fort Wayne Indiana in a state. Donald Trump won by nineteen points for an MSNBC town hall with Chris Hayes on a day when Joe Biden said he supports the Hyde amendment, which bans federal funding of abortion, and has been federal law since nineteen seventy six Senator Elizabeth Warren was asked for her position on the high demand. Is your Biden? Yes. So why own? This. I've lived in America, where abortions were illegal and understand, this wouldn't still got abortions. Now, some got lucky on what happened and some really unlucky on what happened. But the bottom line is there, were there and the Hyde amendment under everyone if these efforts to try to chip away or to push back, where to get rid of Roe versus Wade, understand this women of means, we'll still have access to abortions who won't will be poor woman. We'll be working women. We'll be women who can't afford to take off three days from work. We'll be very young women. We'll be women who've been raped will be women who have been molested by someone in their own family. We do not pass laws that take away that freedom for the women who are most. Religion polling continues to get worse for President Trump. A new poll shows Deng Trump in trouble in Texas a state. The Republicans have won every presidential election since nineteen seventy six a Quinnipiac poll shows Joe Biden, actually beating Donald Trump in Texas by four points. Forty eight forty four os with Warren polls, the second strongest against Donald Trump in Texas tied within that margin of error at just forty five to forty six and a new poll from Michigan a state that was key to Donald Trump's electoral college victory shows the president trailing every democrat that every democratic candidate who was pulled in that election against Donald Trump. Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders are both ahead of President Trump by twelve points, fifty three to forty one Pete Buddha. Judge Elizabeth Warren. Kamala Harris are also ahead of Donald Trump in that Michigan poll, and Opole from morning. Consult shows nationwide problems for the president's approval rating, which is negative in the seven states that he that he won in two thousand sixteen seven important states that he won in two thousand sixteen. Joining us now is Maria. Teresa kamar. She's the president and CEO of voter Latino on MSNBC contributor, and Adam gentleman is back with us. Andrea Theresa very bad polling for the president and a new issue in the democratic primary as of today, the Hyde amendment, which has been federal law since nineteen seventy six has now moved into the center of the campaign. Well, let's be clear who, who are the folks that come out and vote, timing again, for the last six seven election cycles. It's been women. So when you start talking about reproductive health, when you start going toe to toe with women, the idea that you're not going to have given the agency over their bodies, and that you're basically, going to subjugate group of women, that are disproportionately may not have the means to do so you put them in danger, but they are also voting in record numbers, so that is one of the reasons why this is going to be a hot campaign issue. And you better believe that the day after that the president was inaugurated, we had women marching in drone in throw in throngs all over the country. It was because they recognized what the vulnerability was and women will stick together on this. And I think Joe Biden is going to have to figure out if he's going to advance his cause modernizes views and recognize that it's going to be the women that are gonna put him in office. I think when we're talking about the fact that the president is under water. That is not so surprising when you talk about when you talk about not only the issues that Americans really care about, but we go into places like Missouri, when you go into places. Like Michigan, and you're talking about tariffs that go directly impact individual lives in manufacturing on how much it's gonna cost for them to get all of a sudden items that they need for every day, whether it's clothing, so on and so forth. It becomes a very economic issue, and the presence going to have to figure out how he reconciles tariff, his tariff debates with actual bread and butter issues of making sure that we keep manufacturing alive and thriving. And people can actually pay their bills Elizabeth Warren actually wanted this town hall tonight to be in Fort Wayne, Indiana, because she wanted to go into the heart of Trump country, and she was asked a few things from Trump voters throughout the hour. Let's listen to one of those exchanges. I just feel like I've been betrayed letdown. I thought Trump was going to really secure American jobs, and that's just not what's happening. I'm looking to make about one point two million new jobs, new jobs that are good jobs that are jobs in manufacturing. They're going to be good union jobs. Jolson Elizabeth Lawrence surrounded by Trump voters there. The four of them sitting around there, right in the middle of town hall. Yeah. And I think what you, I mean, what, what came through for me. There was that. Senator Warren is working class person from Oklahoma. I mean that's her background. You know, she she is incredibly comfortable in those situations. I was reading a month or so ago she went to Kermit West Virginia to talk about the opioid crisis. I mean, these are people that she grew up with, she's incredibly comfortable and a person to person situation. I think that really came through there and Maria Teresa, one of the things we saw with those Trump voters in the town hall is their disappointment at what President Trump promised, for example, on the opioid crisis. That's one of the things that one of the Trump voters asked Elizabeth Warren about. Well, I think what you're finding is that they when they voted for Trump, they were basically most Americans were that voted for him. There were flipping a coin. They never fully recovered from the two thousand eight recession. They had lost their jobs. They saw things going south and like you know what we're going to give this businessman a try and this business businessman turned out to be basically. Con full of snakes in his back not promising them. Absolutely nothing in not changing their lives and instead impacting directly their livelihood. Again, specifically, I'm talking specifically. What's happening with tariffs? He has not addressed the opiate apathetic and he's not we every single week claims to be infrastructure. We and we have yet to see that what Elizabeth Warren is reminding the American people of what happens when you roll up your sleeves and you reinvest in our country when we reinvest in our infrastructure, and you get people back to work at the end of the day. The reason someone goes out to the polls is someone that's is for president was going to make their economic life, much better. And again, remembering and reminding ourselves that not every single American has actually covered from that recession. That is what people really care about in that is why they're looking for more middle of the road people. They're looking for folks that have big ideas Shas ideas to actually course correct the country where we are right now. So we're going to break, but before we do I wanted to hear from you on the breaking news from the Washington Post today about new cruelties that the president has in mind for the children in custody at the southern border. You know what is the most is appointing pieces that these individual detention centers are for profit. They are raking in the money while they max, they're basically taxing individuals, and creating maximum cruelty for young people. In this case, we're talking about miners who don't have their families are separated from, from the world in many ways, and they all they're asking for is basically, giving them some legal aid, so that they can actually have representation giving them the opportunity to learn English and giving them a chance to play soccer outside and present doubles down. The says we're not going to do that. Even though he knows that people are making record profits off these people's backs. We have no oversight. Right. Congress really. I mean, one of the reasons that so many people came out and voted in, in November was because they wanted to count ability, and we need congress to actually do that. Hold these people accountable and make sure that someone is paying for the suffering, that is that is being inflicted. Unnecessarily, routers, Omar and Adam Charleston. Thank you, both for joining our discussion tonight. Thank you, Lawrence enough. Louis break. When we come back, Senate Republicans have finally found their breaking point with Donald Trump. That's next. Senate Republicans have finally had it with Donald Trump. It wasn't the obstruction of Justice. It is not the Trump personal devotion to Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong UN. It was not the caging of children at the southern border, it's tariffs, which Senate Republicans are finally publicly admitting our taxes on the American people. Senate Republicans are breaking with President Trump over his threats to impose massive new taxes on everything. We import from Mexico, unless Mexico stops people from crossing our southern border, the Republican senators from Texas, where Joe Biden is now leading Donald Trump in the polls or the most adamant in their opposition to the threatened Trump tariffs were holding a gun to our own heads said Texas senior Republican Senator, John Cornyn, Texas junior Senator, Ted Cruz said, there's no reason for Texas farmers and ranchers and manufacturers and small businesses to. To pay the price of massive new taxes. We've been telling you for years now that the Trump tariffs are actually taxes on Americans, and now finally Republicans, admit that seven Republicans broke with the president yesterday in the house of representatives, and voted for the American dream and promise act of twenty nine thousand nine the Bill was delivered to the house floor by the House Judiciary committee, proving that the judiciary committee can legislate, and investigate the president at the same time, the Bill would grant legal status and a path to citizenship for young people who were brought to this country as children and have lived here, all of their lives. Freshman member of the House Judiciary committee, Joe negoti of Colorado rose in support of the Bill. I rise today, not just as a member of this body, not just as a proud American but is the son of immigrants is the son of African refugees who came to the United States. Who came to the United States over thirty five years ago from a war torn country in east Africa. They became naturalized citizens, and they never forgot nor took for granted the freedom and the opportunities that the United States of America gave them and their children that I am able to stand in this chamber with all of you today is proof that the American dream is real. And I wanted to be attainable for generations to come. That is why we must pay six today. Right now. Now. Right now, there or young people all across our country who no no other home. But the United States these kids are dedicated and willing to put in the hard work to earn a college education. They are excelling in their careers. They're contributing to our communities in countless ways every day. We cannot allow these young people to continue to live in fear to be at risk every single day of being ripped away from their lives. Losing everything that they know after this final break, we'll be joined by Carson goose. We'll ask him where he stands on impeachment as a member of the House Judiciary committee, and about that breaking news tonight about a conflict between chairman Nadler, and speaker Pelosi, and we will hear more of what he had to say fighting for the dreamers on the house floor. Mr speaker. I would like to offer a quote, and quote is as follows it is, bold men and women uring for freedom and opportunity who leave their homelands and come to a new country to start their lives over. They believe in the American dream and over and over, they make it come true for themselves for their children, and for others, they give more than they receive they labor and succeed and often they are entrepreneurs, but their greatest contribution is more than economic because they understand in a special way, how glorious it is to be an American that quote. Let's not my words. Those are the words of president Ronald Reagan. They were. They were delivered by president Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty the same year. My parents came to the United States. Let's pass. They tore six today and let's treat every person in our country, who has struggled and it's just as American as you and I are, let's treat them with the respect that they deserve. Joining us now is freshman. Car's been Joan goose from Colorado. He is a member of the House Judiciary committee. And Carson, I wanted to talk to you about this great example that you've delivered this week that the judiciary committee can legislate, an investigate episode time judiciary committee, passing that dreamers of Bill out of committee. Then passing it on the house floor. Let me begin though with the breaking news from politico tonight, indicating a certainly a strong difference of opinion between speaker Pelosi and your chairman of the judiciary committee, Jerry. Now, they're on impeachment. Politico's reporting Nadler, pressed Pelosi to allow his committee to launch an impeachment inquiry against Trump. The second such request. He's made in recent weeks. Only to be rebuffed by the California, Democrat and other senior leaders is that your understanding of German Nadler's position. Well, it's good to be with you Lawrence, and thanks for having me on the program, I would say with respect to your first point. I think you're exactly right. And that is to say that we've been saying for quite some time that we could, you know, walk and chew gum at the same time and that legislating and engaging oversight was not mutually exclusive, and I think we've proven that time and time again. And certainly that was the case yesterday when we passed the dream in promise act with respect to your question regarding that report, I have not seen that report. So I don't know that I'm in a position to comment on it. Look, you've reported this as have many others. There's obviously some differences of opinion within the democratic caucus, as one would expect we are a diverse party, a big tent caucus, we represent different areas of the country, geographically, diverse and ideologically diverse as well. And so there are going to be differences of opinion both on policy and on oversight. And obviously, as you know, there are some who believe that proceeding under the normal sort of oversight process is the most prudent step. There are other. And that includes me who believed that opening an inquiry and impeachment inquiry is the most prudent step. And as you know, and you've interviewed several of my colleagues previously, those of us who served on the judiciary committee, a number of us fall into that, latter camp in part, because we have witnessed the wholesale obstruction of congress in a very visceral way. I mean, the subpoenas that are being ignored by this administration time and time, again, our subpoenas issued by our committee. So we, of course, we're going to have a more as I said, perhaps, visceral understanding of kind of that obstruction happening up close. But look, I think our chairman is doing a terrific job. And he has scheduled a set of hearings that believe you've already mentioned in your program starting next week that will really focus on the substance of the special counsel report. And I think, again, try to educate the American public about the findings in the report, which in many ways have been kind of off, you skated by the administration's obstruction of our ability to engage in basic oversight say in my experience, working with. Chairman and committees in the Senate. The, to me the indicator, the public indicator, the chairman now there is leaning toward that minimum, if not clearly favors moving to impeachment is that he's allowed half of the democratic members of his committee, including you to be out there, publicly favoring impeachment and chairman at least used to try to control what their members said publicly. I've only been in congress for a few months. So you, of course, have a far better understanding of, they'd given your experience in the Senate of for many years. But it my sense of it is governed by consensus in the caucus each of us are elected to represent our constituents to the best of our ability in autumn. It later on or the, the oath that we take the constitution so members are going to make the decisions that ultimately on, on their own timetables. And I think we ought to respect that carbon Joan goes gets tonight's last word. Thank you very much for joining us Carson. Thank you Lawrence new for meet the press. 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