. Part One: R. Kelly: His Life, Times & Vicious Sex Cult
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Well, I don't know. What is the technical definition like that? No, no, dad. No, mom, runaway dads went away. Then you're vested, right. Jeff you dad's gone yet. Yes. Yes. Okay review. We don't use it for that anymore. Really? I made a mistake of getting a bag cookies right before the started. And I was like I'll just stack, but you can't eat cookies on a podcast. You can't eat cookies on a podcast. You can't eat air. I was gonna say the truth. Oh, yes. You can. Okay. We'll look at those transitions. Great today. We're talking about someone who we will be catching some fire on Twitter for talking about what do, you know about our Kelly? Well, I I don't know. I know I think I know enough like, I know what was big news. But I never decided to like open up the book and deep dive into our Kelly. So there may be things that are surprising to me. But I will say just before his podcast. I was like let me look at all his songs again just to remind myself. And I forgot that he's saying the space. Samsung. So I believe I can fly. So now, I'm like rethinking plane long my head outside of that. Like were you ever a fan of his music? Do you remember any particular albums that like I never used to buy albums as a kid? So he was sort of in his heyday, his popular songs, I would you know, play and sing along to and dance too. But I I wasn't a big album buyer until pretty much in the last couple years because I wasn't really allowed to as a kid. I would say, yeah. If similar experience with him to wear like is a nineties kid. I heard a lot of R Kelly songs, but I liked I did like a lot. I didn't ever attribute it to him. It was one of those things where it's like I like this new song o R Kelly. But it wasn't like I stand for our Kelly. He was just a big part of like the soundtrack of the late nineties, and autzen particular I like that. I'm a flirt song. I think does he think I'm in love with the Barton was no that was definitely not right to t pain. That's right. Okay. So but. His air. He's around that era. I feel like the T paint songs on the radio R Kelly sounds around the radio. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he like either fun to grind to that sort of thing definitely fund to grind to. I think he has a couple of songs with grind in the name. So let's hear about the fact that he probably has a sex cult like he's the kind of a child pornographer. Right. Isn't that a thing people like know him for people, but wasn't she also underage? We'll be getting into that. It's actually very tough to answer that question definitively. Like, it's one of those things like where pretty much everyone's like, but legally he actually got off. No, right. Because there's no proof way. This does remind me real quick. Speaking of R Kelly the song, I'm Aflou when I was I was a tech. I was technically, but nothing bad happened. But I was bad. I have to preface that some people don't get uncomfortable. But that's on. I remember I worked out a YMCA camp. I I'm ran I was like kind of talking to in the way seventeen. Do a very innocently doing nothing. But to to a twenty one year old football player has ever and we Stanford. Yeah. We grind to that song fancy as summers. But okay, you grind it kind of introvert to our Kelly because technically I was underage oh seventeen years old. So yeah, I was kind of like o R Kelly. Hey, cool. Get over here and get maybe put yourself in a questionable position. I understand. Right. Seventeen is the age of consent for grind dancing, the seaboard? He was respectful. I feel like it was he was like let's see how your ago, and I will not you know, what I mean. Like, I feel like he was like, it's crazy. It's crazy that that's the bar for being a good guy. I'm not gonna push it with this teenager. Definitely didn't put a stop to it. But he went as far as I was comfortable, and then did not push it further. I gotta tell you Theresa as a man it is so easy to be a good guy. Because it's it's just it's just don't assault people. Like, really if you don't assault people like I've done a lot of shitty things. But as long as I don't assault, people are gaslight them. Like, I feel like I'm sailing. I've gone years without paying taxes, but none of that matters because the bar is just below the floor these days opposite for women. Have you just start a sentence with I want your just automatically a bitch? Like well. I mean men never expressed there. Would you get me a celsius? I want to celsius. Double flip off. Well, we should probably get into the story now. Yeah. Okay. But I'm sure there will be a lot more fun conversations about gender politics. Come. I know that's what the audience really tunes on for. Roberts Sylvester Kelly was born in Chicago on January eighth nineteen sixty seven. His dad was absent from the get go in his mother JoAnne raised him and his three siblings. She was a schoolteacher and a committed Baptist writing later in his autobiography Sola coaster Kelly. Rick sorry, there's a little. Yeah. Is is his auto vilo Sola coaster a roller you exact Rolex and serve salt. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We will be hearing that title regularly, and it will never not make me die just a little bit inside just a little bit. But the thing that I hate to admit I kind of like the layout of the book. Is it looked like a rollercoaster? No, no, no. It doesn't. It's just like, it's just neat. I've never seen an autobiography like Kelly clean ups and downs. No. It's a lot of visuals. Oh, like, he put a lot of thought into how he laid out his auto biography. And it's one of those things you get this throughout the story. I it sucks when someone like Harvey Weinstein whose like a piece of shit. But like, I can't point anything great. He did like just a piece of shit who was tied to some good movies are Kelly is like a really good artist. Like, he's one of these people. He's in like, the running for the best R and B singer of all time, and he's like he's legitimately talented. So like as you go through like as I'm reading his autobiography with it's ridiculous. Stupid name. I'm like, oh, well, let's go. Got a real good talent for layout. And then I'm like, oh, yeah. And he's molesting children fucking Christ. It's frustrating now. Maybe it's not. I mean, he brought someone else. Probably laid it out. I don't know. I feel like he's he's he's kind of attor. I think he's just too controlling till it someone else lead us auto biography. But we'll get to that too. Anyway, I'm we're parallel coaster solar coaster. Yeah. So in his autobiography solar coaster Kelly recalled it on the rare occasions he asked his mom what had happened to his dad. This was her response. Don't say nothing to me about that. No good son of a bitch because the minute he found out I was pregnant with you his cowardice left disappeared in the wind didn't want to have anything to do with either you or me Kelly goes on to write. I remember my mother's eyes on one of those days close to blood red as the anger grew and grew or she talked about my father as if he was the devil himself. I remember my is getting baby blood red too. Because what my mother loved I loved and what she hated. I hated baby blood ran. I don't know. No collar baby blue as a color, baby. Boy. I mean, maybe if you a lot of ABC. Yeah, he's got babies on the mind. I mean, I imagine if baby's blood would be a different color because baby has not been subjected to all the same adultery. They're not eating solid foods yet. Exactly. Okay. So maybe if you've seen a lot of baby blood sticks. This is part of why I think he wrote it to know ghostwriters going to be like baby blood red. That's sounds like it came out r Kelly's head. It was that day that moment that I decided to hate my father, not knowing really what hate meant or having a clear understanding of love. She told me on that day never to mention him. Again. I'm your mother and your father. She said I promised that. I'd never talk about him again. And I never did different is clearly. Repress any of that? Yeah. Well, that's that's that's his background. Robert Kelly grew up very poor. As family lived in the projects on the south side of Chicago, which according to the song, bad bad. Leroy Brown is the baddest part of town in his autobiography Kelly vaguely refers to his childhood home is being filled with numerous older women, and it's unclear how many of them were related and how many of them are just around. But it seems weird. It seems weird in Kelly's telling of it. When my mother wasn't around the women ran a little freer as I crept up in age found myself more curious and sometimes aroused, and I was shamed of being aroused. He says he was eight when he first saw people having sex in the story. He tells is kind of baffling he comes upon this couple getting it on and they see him and basically give him the okay to watch like look at him and on one occasion, I think later than this. He was handed a camera and asked by a couple having sex to take their pictures while they were having sex. He recalls that the photographic technology. Impressed me more than the sex. Maybe he's like, we're press some of them. Let's add this makes me sad. I know. I mean, it's it's one of those things you got to start with like, why do people do like that's another thing with like Weinstein. I don't know enough about is like childhood to know. Like was he abused a bunch of kids that have an impact on it not that that mitigates bad behavior because most people who are abused people who write that people go both ways. But this makes you understand what comes next a lot better this kid. He's never going to have an easy time coming up. He had his barometer. What's appropriate? And what's normal is is off right from the get-go. Yeah. Age eight seems to have been a crowded our for young Robert Kelly. It's the year when he I watched people fuck I photographed people fucking, and it's also the year in which the love of his life died. Yeah. Here is a quote from his auto biography solar coaster. Okay. I love love. There's no one on earth more romantic than me I've been in love with love ever since. I can remember I've always loved the idea of having a girlfriend. I love the closeness the sweetness holding her hand kissing her. Cheek whispering words of affection. Hearing her say that she feels the same about me, my first girlfriend was named Lulu. And she was so special though, we were only eight and it was puppy love. I believe she was my first musical inspiration. When it comes to love songs. So according to our Kelly Lulu died brutally that same year when he was eight at eight. Yeah, they were out playing near the river, and she fell in and bashed her skull open on some rocks. Roberts watched her die and was as traumatized as you'd expect. That's about the most traumatizing gagging. Imagine happening to an eight year old. Yeah. Yet doesn't get much worse than that. There's like little foot seeing his mom die and having your eight year old girlfriend, Bashar sculling on some rocks. They're right up there. So this trauma was compounded. Several months later when Robert Kelly fell asleep in front of the TV and woke up from a quote crazy dream about three's company to find one of his older female relatives fondling him. Yeah. He's never given a name for this woman. But she appears to be someone who is still around in his life. He is not told his other family members who this was and win Chris heath a writer for G Q interviewed him about this later. He said, quote, I remember it feeling weird. I remember feeling ashamed. I remember closing my eyes and keeping my hands over my eyes. I remember those things, but I couldn't judge it one way or the other fully. So Kelly says this mystery relative continued to molest him until he was roughly fifteen years old. She was not the only adult to go after child Robert, a trusted male friend of the family wants us Kelly to masturbate in front of him. He offered to pay our Kelly later said it was a crazy weird experience. But not. Oh blown experience because it didn't go down contact sexual no a- visual. Absolutely. A visual from him showing me his penis. And all that stuff, which is whether or not there's contact. That's negotiating that's the thing that survivors do like, yuck. Oh, sheeting or maybe are thinking, oh, there's experiences invalid because because people quote unquote worse he didn't touch me. So it wasn't like I should be that like these feelings maybe are invalid. But they're all valid because as long as you cross the line. It's militated nestled if you're a child adult comes up to you ask you to masturbate and pulls out his genitals. That's a sexual assault. Yeah. Hundred percent of their power. So he's got a rough upbringing. And this is not all of it. Robert Kelly was probably shot when he was thirteen. It's hard to know for sure what happened because he's not exactly a totally reliable narrator here for years. He told interviewers he had been shot by thugs who wanted to steal his huffy in his autobiography he claims the bullet was his just a stray round from some gun. Fight drive-by though. One of his close associates. Your parents told the Chicago sun times that Robert shot himself during a botched suicide attempt. This person says Kelly's version of the story is ally invented to cover up the suicide attempt. Most reports say he has a bullet in his shoulder though. And if that's true, it does kind of make me think it was probably more likely a stray round than suicide, but I don't really know. Shoulder. You definitely a suicide unless you want to and even if you missed it probably wouldn't be a liar. Hartley blow your job he was like all do here where it doesn't hurt you because little Wayne shot himself in the back or something like that. Yeah. There was just a gun in a couch, and he was playing on accident. Yeah. Yeah. It was an accident with him. I think so hard to say, but it looks like he probably got shot to when he was thirteen either. A suicide attempt to just a stray bullet because he lived in a rough part of town, whatever the truth hits really clear that Robert Kelly had a very very rough childhood not an upbringing I would risk on anybody. But it was not all an R rated version of a dickens novel. He had a teacher, Linda MacLennan who recognized his nascent musical talent early on and nurtured it she convinced him to sing Stevie wonder's ribbon in the sky for a high school talent show Kelly's first performance in front of an audience. He said about it later, quote that night it was like being Spiderman being bit. I discovered this power. I knew I had something then miss MacLean got Kelly on TV for the first time singing at a Christmas tree lighting. Ceremony in Chicago. Now, Robert had no Ma head for math or reading, and it actually sounds from what he says like he might be dyslexic. It sounds like MacLean was instrumental in convincing his mom and him that an essence he should throw all of his effort into singing into performing. Because that's the thing. He was clearly best at and that was definitely the right decision. Kelly started busking on a subway as a teenager on one particularly good day he made four hundred dollars. So he gets into performing and realizes like this is something he's got a crazy talent for so as a young adult he began booking more formal gigs. And it was during one set at a backyard barbecue at age twenty four that are Kelly was first discovered by the industry, Wayne Williams who worked for jive records just happened to be at that barbecue, quote, I was inside the house and Robert was performing outside. I saw this guy who had all the steps down real choreographed. You could tell he put a lot into it. Which is something you don't usually see especially at a backyard barbecue, it was the eye of the tiger. I'm not sure if he means that are Kelly was singing the eye of the tiger. Or if he was responding more. Generally to like, it was kung FU. Games rising up to the challenge of his rival. Kelly began working with berry hanker Sohn an agent with real standing in the music industry. Hankinson got him signed with the band public announcement Teresa, I'm gonna show you a picture of the band public announcement. And I just want you to tell me what, you know about their music based on this picture. That's a it looked kind of almost like a like a boy bands stance. You know, there's a woman in the middle. There's a woman in the middle. So it's a little off from that. But otherwise all the guys look like boy band. I imagine there's some dancing involves in very nineties Harris like tear touching slicking back kind of like Nadi not at the camera, and pointing that sort of thing in our Kelly is wearing what looks like the ninety s windbreaker ever been purchased limb. Breakers, those were windbreakers. Yeah. He was on the cutting edge of that windbreaker trend. Anyway, they dropped an album, and it did pretty well. But Kelly almost immediately outgrew public announcement. He released breaker and the windbreaker mean, we all kind of outgrew the windbreaker. He released his first solo album twelve play in nineteen Ninety-three wondering what the name twelve play means. Yeah. Definitely isn't alluding to his his child. Oh, jeez. That's even Dr that's really dark. I don't know. What does that mean? I thought I I mean, it's still messed up according to the Chicago Sun-Times, quote, it's because Kelly quote claims that while other lovers might give you four play. He gives you three times more. Just like, okay. All right. So I mean, you got to give it to him. He put math in math. There you go for especially for his first album. You know, you gotta conquer your fears. He has math and words mixed up these tracks on the album, twelve play include such subtle titles as bump and grind. Sex me in this is my favorite. I like the crotch on you what I like alleged you. All right. You gotta you gotta love. How just like? Okay. You really not hiding anything there, buddy. Like I like the crotch on clutches. Not a sexy word like it's not it almost like I feel like crotch just sound. I don't know. It sounds like it's like like it's not I don't relate it to sex. Even know it's pointing to the journals. I relate it to like, I don't know what I really just g I would think of jeans because of caused by dirty jeans, and like someone who didn't do their laundry. That's what I think of what I think crotch. No couple in the throes of passion have ever said bring that crotch on. That would not. It's just not an attractive word. Yeah. It's like something. A Taylor tells you by the crotch jeans or something. Yeah. You're right. Okay. So ridiculous. Is it sounded twelve play became the number one are NB album in America for nine straight weeks, you success and apparently a great Aren be album solo album. Yeah. This is a solo album. I don't know much about our B. But the one thing pretty much everybody seems in agreement on is that at his stride R Kelly was a hell of an R and B singer. So his career exploded after twelve play came out he owed much of his accent to his agent, of course, berry Hankinson, and it just so happens that Mr. hanker Sohn had a niece a fifteen year old girl named Leah Dana Haughton, she had musical ambitions about load of talent. And she's Leah. Yup. Yeah. This is that a Olea she soon started working with her uncle's top musician, the incredibly talented, Robert Kelly. He wrote a number of songs for her and acted as a producer on her first album age ain't nothing, but a number Kelly. Kelly wrote that title to. Yeah, I'm not surprised in interviews at the time a lien talked about the many many long hours. She in our Kelly put together to make the album, they're perfectionists and this led to numerous late night spent in close proximity. The was a hit selling more than three million copies in this courting to some people who know shit about our in beep, it was revolutionary in a number of ways in that John Ryan, I can't comment on that. But that seems to be the consensus. However good the album was it also lead to something even less savory or I guess exactly as unsavory as that title would suggest almost immediately after the album dropped Robert Nelia were married at that most stereotypically romantic of destinations the Sheraton gateway suites in Rosemead got married yet assure did she was fifteen. He was twenty seven. Oh my God. Yeah. That's not. Okay. That's not okay. Only. We're be improved to be like I'm fine with someone dropping a song called. I liked the crotch on you, you know, that your own thing here. We've got some not okay married for a long time. No, okay. Because I do not remember this. How was this not the thing that made him because he wasn't big enough? He was big news. This was there was like a controversy over this that extends to today because again, Leo was fifteen in. That's you can't be a twenty seven year old marrying a fifteen year old. It's not legal. So sometimes in a lot of states you can actually marry at that age, but your family has to consent and Elise family had no idea any of this was happening. In fact, the wedding was a secret the world only found out about it because several months after the fact vibe published the marriage certificate, which listed Leah is eighteen so fraudulent marriage certificate now. Big problems. Now, the whole episode is somewhat murky and unclear and there are a number of different narratives as to what precisely went down g cues account of things is based heavily on the memory of Dimitri. Smith a somewhat shady character who worked for Kelly at the time. He said this quote the week of the marriage Smith recounts being in Miami on tour with Kelly and how Kelly explained that he had received a distraught. Phone call from a lien saying she had run away from home believing. She was pregnant Smith says that Kelly was then given some species advice that he could protect himself from the legal ramifications of the situation by marrying her Smith's account of what happened next during a break in the tour Smith and Kelly flew together, Illinois Smith procured a fake state ID for a leeann from a friend in the public aid office, and they got a backup ID through someone. They knew at Federal Express that night after the ceremony in a suite at the Sheraton hotel Kelly and Smith flew back to Miami to resume the tour. So is it. I mean there are trying to like do the paperwork by getting married to make it legal. But then they use fraudulent ID's. It's the whole thing isn't legal. So what's the point of that? I mean, a couple of things number one keeping your head this before the internet. So the odds that someone would find this we're lower, but. Marriage is null if it was built on. Yeah. So that'd make no sense. At all the whole thing is no there were hoping nobody would notice he got when did she come out with are you that somebody 'cause there's tons of random baby noises there that I'm like what the fuck is this, and I kind of just part of it. But now, I'm like was it as a secret message like what she like on pregnant. It might have been I think that was after older because if that wasn't from her she she lived until like twenty four so that wasn't her first album. That's not on age ain't nothing. But a number than with Rome. I think it was the movie Romeo must die. Oh, then. Yeah. That would have been way later. So it is an adult that point. She was sort of trying to slip in the story of it's hard to say what happens child just one guy's relation. She didn't have the baby right? I don't think. So. No, no. She did not. And we don't know if she was actually pregnant again, this is like one person's version of the story, and I don't know this guy's reliable. Yeah. And we we don't really know one hundred percent what went down because there were a lia's parents found out and made them, you know, they annulled the marriage and everything and there was like a big legal settlement where he reportedly paid like one hundred dollars is like token thing. And then like they both agreed not to say anything about this. And like, no one said anything about it in the year since so we don't know what went down. But what I do know. No is that there are some fine products and or services that Theresa you're just gonna love to hear about. Ooh, I love the ad reads. Yes. Ed's. Hello. My name is Kevin Pollack. Yes. The award winning funny fellow from that film. And or TV thing that makes you smile every darn time. You see it, folks. Did you know, I've got a new comedy podcast that was created with you and mine 'cause I do it's called alchemy this, and it was designed with a single purpose, you laughing a lot I'm talking please. 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But it's a supposedly included a promise from Leah not to sue R Kelly in the future due to quote emotional distress caused by any aspect of her business or personal relationship with Robert she also agreed not to sue for quote, physical injury or emotional pain and suffering arising from any assault or battery perpetrated by Robert against a person. Again. We don't know what went down. We don't know. What all was getting bandied about he he is like is preemies too. But like he ready new. It's like he was like, okay. This kinda shit will come out later. So I'm just gonna totally. For my basis. Well, it's it's it's not even like preemies to me too is just people finally getting angry about this this whole thing. We're like rich people's as Jack NDA's, we're more like, oh, I feel like it came from a lot of the men who make people's I or silence women a lot of it in the past came from like, oh, I don't want it to hurt my reputation. But the fact that he was already like I know that you're gonna go through emotional trauma that might not surface until ten years from now. And then you might wanna talk about it. He's like hold up. You don't know you're going to have this. But I know because I've been through it. So don't talk about it. Oh shit. Okay. Now, that's a really went through it. And that's why he knows that there's going to. I don't think a lot of men in the past were like you're going to have emotional trauma. I think they're just like I don't wanna get caught. I didn't even catch that. But I think you're right. Yeah. That's really insightful. It's kind of Dr. I mean, it's it's sad. Because it's like he's a victim or survivor himself. But also, you know, there's cycle, and he's perpetuating it. Yeah. I think you're I think you're. Really onto something there. So neither are Kelly. Nora Leah have ever provided more detail about what went down or the reasoning behind that weird settlement in nineteen Ninety-seven Elliott filed to expunge the marriage certificate from the county court records, the most detail she ever gave an interview was with the Chicago Sun-Times nineteen Ninety-four where she said, hey, don't believe all that mess. We're close in people took it the wrong way. But that was again like right when it happened. A Leah died in a plane crash in two thousand and one at the age of twenty four R Kelly has said almost nothing about her in the two decades since her death. He doesn't even mention her name once in his auto biography Sola coaster. There is however a disclaimer at the beginning that notes certain episodes could not be included for complicated reasons, that's probably a reference to the court settlement during that two thousand sixteen interview with G Q Kelly described Elliott as his best best best friend, which seems odd for someone. He left out of his auto biography. But again, probably was legally restricted from doing so in nineteen ninety-five R Kelly release. His second solo album, just titled R Kelly three songs on the album reached number one on the RN. Be charts. Song titles include down low. Nobody has to know. Llama knows on December twenty fourth nineteen Ninety-six R Kelly was sued for ten million dollars by Tiffany Hawkins high school student with ambitions for a music career. She claims she met Kelly when he talked to her choir class, her teacher, miss mcclen left. Having Kelly come over to talk to her new students. Kelly seemed to have love flirting with the literal children in these classes, I'm going to quote, Jim deroga-, the indispensable reporter on the R Kelly allegations here, I'm going to probably butcher. This guy's last name. What do you? How do you think that Duero Gaddis deroga-, maybe two Ragas deroga- rogue Atta Stephen D row Gaddis? That's what we're going to land on probably should've checked that. When I was reading about our Kelly for eleven hours, quote asked about the charges in the Hawkins lawsuit that Kelly had sexual relationships with some of the freshman and sophomore girls from lens choir. The teacher says I don't know what he did outside of school. But in the school, there was no Hanky panky if they were involved in that the sad thing is it takes to Tango. Oh, no. It's pretty it doesn't take too full person under age. He really not the it. You can't be part of it too. When you're not going to you teach teenagers. You know, they're not real people yet, you know, that you teach them like if you put a puppy in a box, and you're like, well, he didn't get out. Well, that's different. If you have more power. You're a big person. Hawkins claimed her sexual relationship with Kelly started in nineteen ninety one when she was fifteen and he twenty four she says Kelly ended the relationship when she turned eighteen Hawkins slit her wrists. Immediately afterwards a suicide attempt that she thankfully survived. Also in nineteen Ninety-six while Kelly was settling the lawsuit over the teenager, he allegedly molested into a suicide attempt. He met an adult lady. Andrea Lea Lea was a choreographer dancer who'd worked on his tour. Andrea and Robert married and eventually had three children. There are a few signs that the marriage was something less than super romantic. The pair were almost never photograph together. People close to Kelly told the Chicago Sun-Times that Andrea was required to knock before entering any room in their house, while her husband was home and in two thousand and three several of Andrea relatives complained to the Chicago Sun-Times they weren't allowed to visit their daughter at the home. She shared with Kelly or talk to her on the phone so consider that whole paragraph. Just TI Nancy metaphor shadowing. His autobiography better Sola coaster. But what? So the solar coaster. Okay, year later or start a little later in nineteen ninety six which was very full year for R Kelly. He ran into legal trouble again when he was arrested for battery and Lafayette, Louisiana after a fight between himself his aunt Arash and three random dudes at the basketball court for a local gym. Now, he gets a pass on this one from me because why would you go to a gym basketball court? If you didn't wanna get into a fistfight with somebody in their Underash true. What happens on a court stays on? Now. That's probably not true. No it is. If there's one thing gym basketball courts, therefore, it's fistfights with famous people. And that's cred. That's a sacred thing is as long as you. I mean to certain degree you don't want like beat someone's face to pull. But if there's a little bit of fighting on like if it's more like closer to wrestling on on a on any core of sport as long as when the game ends, you're shaking hands patting each other's back and saying good game. Then I think it's a little okay? But I think if that's real aggression. That's carried on past the game. Then you're like, oh that was a real fight. I think it all depends on whether or not someone has an entourage. Because if there's an entourage. There's no option, but to have like a really showy choreographed fistfight, it's like a gang. We don't really have the big old west side story gangs, the way, I don't even know they ever really did do those dancy dancy fights. But now I feel like you've got fight on the court. I imagine if I ever got into a fight with Ashton Kutcher. You would have dancing and singing entourage have to fight my way through I but yeah. Despite all of its ups and mostly downs. Eighteen eighty six ended on a high note for Robert Kelly. The movie Space Jam was released in December of that year, permanently delighting my former boss, Daniel O'Brien and making art a household name. His hit song, I believe I can fly was basically everywhere for like six months. It was the number two song and America I was like eight at the time and a tremendous number of my early memories involve hearing r Kelly's voice over the shitty. Speakers at a blockbuster or piggly-wiggly or what have you? Bad man. Michael, jordan. So well, I don't know much about Michael Jordan as bad, but not a nice guy. No comments until I do the digging on him for the Michael Jordan episode Kelly's mother died in March of nineteen ninety seven. This was a devastating blow to the self-described mama's boy as it would have been for anyone shortly. After this Robert announced on stage with a gospel preacher that he had given himself over to Jesus his autobiography contains numerous religious references. He's been very consistent about the importance of faith to him over the years. Yeah. R Kelly's desire to get right with God. However, did not inspire him to get right with the Justice department in June nineteen Ninety-seven he missed his key ring on the battery case over that basketball court fight he wound up having to settle out of court with men for an undisclosed sum the next month. Settling with people friend disclose sums of money would grow to become our Kelly's number one hobby over the next twenty years in one thousand nine hundred eight he settled his lawsuit with Tiffany Hawkins, the teenager. He. Yeah. G tempted suicide reportedly for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars the settlement came four days after Hawkins delivered a horrifying seven hour deposition. In a way, it was too little too late news of Kelly's escapades with Hawkins began to leak a young woman who'd been prepared to testify about being in the threesome with Hawkins and Kelly. While Hawkins was under age told the Chicago Sun-Times, quote, I'm not trying to down him because I honestly think it has to be a sickness looking at pictures of me and Tiffany when we were freshmen boy, we were ugly little girls compared to what he could have had. So I didn't understand why he did what he did on. That's also like a fad sort of trying to justify and make things feel normal. You like as a survive? I think she's also like trying to explain or, you know. Yeah. Move on without being stuck in the moment. Yeah. I'm not gonna I'm not. Gonna judge her for that. But it is we yeah. That whole article was published in two thousand it includes a lot of really unsettling information, quote, according to Hawkins his lawsuit Kelly had sex with underage girls in his apartments at nine s Wabash one eighty five North Harbour's drive and other locations in Chicago and response to questions from Hawkins is attorneys. Kelly admitted that he employed Hawkins is a background vocalist in periodically gave her small cash gifts and approximately fourteen hundred dollars in checks, but he denied having any sexual contact with the girl. Now Hawkins is friend who was prepared to testify did make it clear that are Kelly did not force himself on her sexually. He treated us. Very well, she said we got anything we asked for, but we weren't going to ask for much a pair of air Jordans or one hundred dollars was a lot of money to us. I still love our Kelly's music. I don't hate him. She added he reminds me of a boyfriend who hurt you that you still love he hurt me by not helping me out and telling me to drop out of school. He told me in Tiffany both. If you wanna be serious about the music, you have to be at the studio and not at school because school isn't going to make you a millionaire. At sixteen. That's like a dream to us to work with our Kelly. So we listened to him. I think it's a sickness. Yeah. I mean that's rough. She's definitely negotiating whether it's on there's no right or wrong from his point of view because it's like how she feels it how she feels. And you know, sometimes to move on you have to eat the narrative in her head. It doesn't mean it's real you know, what I mean? Like it. Clearly, he cost a line from objective point of view. But the number of from her point of view. I don't think we could fall her for wanting to think of him fondly because otherwise just to move on with her life feeling like this bad thing happened, which it did. But it's okay. If she wants to live her life feeling a little bit more normal. And it's also it's a the the bargain, he put these young women and was essentially the way who's making the thing of it is like, okay. Well, he's grooming. Her to this may be creepy. I may not like parts of this. But like other parts are to her good. We'll get we'll get to be a millionaire. If she felt like she consented are maybe he didn't ever. Maybe he didn't have a quote unquote force himself, but just by nature him being an adult and then being kids and. Him treating them that way already sheet is like we're moving them to feel like they owe him. And I would argue that even if they'd both been eighteen the money here would have been an element of force not that he was offering them. But because yeah, it's coercion of like if I put up with us for a while. Then I'll have a career in the music industry, and I'll never have to worry, you know, abusing his power. Yeah. Yeah. In a couple of ways like his power as like an older man whose wiser in the world and these fifteen year olds and his power as a gatekeeper to celebrity, but there's also like there's so much new. I mean bottom line, it's wrong. You know, he crossed the line bottom line. I want to preface that. But I also want to the nuance of like someone he was a survivor as a kid and part of him. Maybe that like the part that you know, he never dealt with maybe wanted to rewrite a little bit. So maybe he did treat them really well and didn't force them in a in a way to kind of rewrite like what if? When this happened to me, it was sweet and kind and they didn't force it. So in a way, he may have been trying to rewrite his own past that way, still bottom line wrong. And there should have been more resources in place to help him get through his trauma. So that he knew how to properly deal with it. But there is a world with maybe like, maybe he thought treating them. Well, and then going to sex would kind of be like, oh, there can exist a relationship. That's yeah. Because he's trying to justify what happened to him. Yeah. He's not like most people who do really bad things. I doubt he's going into this mall way. The way he wanted to sort of put some sort of meaning to what happened to him. And and make it feel like it wasn't so bad because in his mind, he was like, well, if I can have relationship with kid that feels even or in his mind, it's even they like this. Then that can mean maybe when I was a kid. It wasn't so bad. Do have like he's trying to revive a little bit. What happened? Yeah. I can see something like that going on as head. I can see that being like a way to sort of deal with like crusher conscience a little bit. Yes. You start to be like this is fucked up and Robert Kelly about himself. Yeah. Yeah. Or his actions in this, particular instance, well, let's read the next paragraph in two thousand one Tracy Samson sued Robert Kelly for bringing her into an indecent sexual relationship when she was just seventeen she claimed she was treated as his personal sex object, and quote, he often tried to control every aspect of my life, including who I would see and where I would go her case was settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. Kelly was sued in successive months in two thousand and two once in. In april. And again in may by two different women one claimed he impregnated her while she was underage and other claimed he'd filmed a sex tape of them without her knowledge or consent. According to the BBC, quote, the recording was allegedly circulated on an arc Kelly sex tape sold by bootleggers under the title are Kelly triple X in both of these cases are Kelly settled out of court for undisclosed sums song track. Should have been called ages. Just an undisclosed sum. That's that's really good. Both of these women found Indy as I found a telling quote, though, from a BuzzFeed article that interviewed a lawyer who's been involved with several of our Kelly settlements, Chicago attorney Susani Loggins declined to say how many settlements she has negotiated with Kelly before lawsuits wherever filed, but she said they were numerous in recently included, one for a seventeen year old aspiring singer from Chicago's west side who has said to been part of Kelly's inner circle. So it seems like for every one of these cases I've read there's many many many others that never proceeded trial because the victim just went to Kelly straight away and they worked out a settlement. So like the people were talking about on. This are probably not the only people who could come forward with allegations. If they hadn't already gotten paid and signed in India with the Weinstein thing literally the month. After those two cases rubber Kelly was charged again this time with filming illegal sex videos. This is the are Kelly case you've all heard about the P tape because the actress in this tape that was circulating underground was allegedly underage. Kelly was charged with twenty one counts of making child pornography. So the backstory of this one is a little bit interesting. So we're gonna hear back for a little bit to November of two thousand when Kelly released the album teepee to number one debut on the billboard albums checked. It featured two number one Rb hits. I wish in fiesta. It also featured songs like the greatest sex and feeling on your booty the album reviewer for the Chicago Sun-Times was Jim deroga-. He wrote this about it one minute. He's grabbing his privates and bragging of being like a real freak the next. He's drawing on his gospel roots, and once again paying homage to his due to parted mom on the lush and touching single. I wish prince Marvin Gaye and Al green all showed that in the right circumstances. Sex and prayer can be the same thing. Kelly has yet to combine the two in one song. So he has yet to make the transcendent record. He's been promising throughout his career is Lear shifts from church street corner are still so jarring that they can give you whiplash. So you can tell they're deroga- has hardly came into the Kelly cases a hater. But it was probably this review that would contain the seeds of Robert Kelly's down. Fall or at least probable downfall, one of our Kelly's assistance read the review and sent this letter to deroga-. You're at about R Kelly and compared him to Marvin Gaye, we'll I guess Marvin Gaye had problems too. But I don't think that were like Roberts Roberts problem is young girls. I've known Robert for many years, and I've tried to get him to get help. But he just won't do it. So I'm telling you about it hoping that you or someone at your newspaper will write an article about it, and then Robert will have no choice, but to get help into stop hurting people. 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Invention is the story of human history told one piece of technology at a time the things we made and how they made us invention publishes every Monday, listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you find your podcasts. We're back in. We've just been slammed into our first free real ad of the day for diet mountain dew, the only caffeinated beverage currently in my hand because I didn't wanna make another coffee. Why are you holding a skateboard 'cause Ranco, oh, what do the do the sound of a half pipe? You're going to say do this out of a hang loose. Now. There's no sound that you just got to put it in your voice. I can hear it when you do the hand gestures. Yeah. You're hanging loose. There's no way to do that sign without sticking your tongue out. It's required. It's the law. Speaking of the law. Let's talk about our Kelly's Twenty-one it's churches of child pornography making when we when we last left off Jim de Ragas at the will be pronouncing differently. Almost every time. I talk about a reporter at the Chicago sun times, I had just gotten an anonymous letter from one of Kelly's assistance being like r Kelly's got a real problem with young people and somebody needs to do something about this. So as a journalist getting a letter like that is a legally prickly thing anytime, you're considering breaking the story that would accuse someone of multiple felonies you've got to be on guard a letter like that on its own is not super journalistically actionable running. The letter alone would not be the best practice. Right. So nothing happened at first this may have prompted the person in Kelly's orbit to push. Again. A videotape was sent to the Chicago Sun-Times by some anonymous person the tape showed Kelly having sex with an extremely young person because this was super likely to be evidence of a crime. And because if it was evidence of a crime. It would also be child pornography. The Chicago Sun-Times went to the cops the police because how is it? If you even look at it. Yeah. So if you get sent a video like that you have to call the feds yet you have to immediately bring in. Well, I think they go to the local I'm not sure they go to the cops us local cops. So in the not with child porn, so but the police opened up an investigation, but there really wasn't much that they could do because they didn't have like hidden. You don't know the age of the person, you don't know for sure that this is our Kelly. You just have these claims so they kind of wait for a little while. And you know, somehow, you know, right around this time tapes of our Kelly bootleg, sex tapes of our Kelly with young women start floating around. There's multiple tapes they are not all underage people. Kelly apparently has sex taped his sex taped regularly. So somebody in his orbit was leaking. These not just to the press. I have not watched the R Kelly p tape, but this is when the air Kelly p tape that's famous gets out into the world. People watch. 'cause I remember hearing the news, I guess people. So people are watching it. But if you watch it isn't that they weren't all child pornography. Okay. But it wasn't that. I don't know much. I just remember I didn't even know she was underage. I remember there is a p tape and the Dutch. And then there was like a dungeon. Yeah. That's part of the spouse and stuff. Yeah. Okay. So Hoover started sending these anonymous tapes to the Sun-Times eventually got fed up that nothing had happened yet. This person left a video in Jim deroga- has his mailbox. He sent it to the police as well. And they were finally able to make an ID they found a source who claimed to recognize the young woman in the video as her niece. She basically able to name the kid in like Kelly says the first name in the video. So the police were pretty sure that they had the right person. And so the cops give the Chicago Sun-Times, the go ahead to publish their first story on the matter. Terrifying. I mean, I know they're just investigating. They have to do their job. But that's terrifying. Have to like Europe. Sex type is not only getting leaked. But then people are like, do, you know this girl? Unlike like asking your family members will they weren't going straight to Kelly adverse. I know that when they asking she recognized the girl as her niece year, they found that means her Onder ankle watched the sex tape to identify her. They probably saved a like had just a girl's face or something. I doubt they played the whole tape for this lady. But like they heard a first name, and I think they narrowed it down because they had some like it. They feel like they have enough that the police charged him with twenty one counts of child pornography 'cause the aunt of this girl claimed she would have been around fourteen at the time of the filming. So our Kelly who had just performed at the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics was forced to respond personally quote. It's not true. All I know is this I have a few people in the past that I fired people that I thought were my friends, that's not my friends. It's crap. And that's what we're going to treat. It the reason these things are happening. I really do believe is because of the fact that I didn't fall back as far as blackmail was concerned. I didn't give them any money. So our Kelly was indicted for child porn on June fifth two thousand and two. He pled not guilty the neck. Day in posted bail using seven hundred and fifty hundred dollar bills. Once he got back from court. He immediately violated a court order by singing at kindergarten graduation ceremony seven hundred like single dollar bills that way one hundred dollar Bill what he just has just be petty. Like, no why he just had a shitload a couch one hundred dollar bills. Gotcha. That makes sense. Yeah. So at this point, the grinding wheels of the Justice system set into motion jury selection did not begin till June of two thousand eight six years after the charges were filed. This is not normal as an MTV article point at at the time quote in the last six years. Michael Jackson was charged tried and acquitted of molestation Phil spector was charged and tried for murder and due to a mistrial who have to do it. All again, though, Kim was charged tried and convicted of conspiracy, and perjury, and she even found time to shoot a reality show while she served her sentence all that happened. While r Kelly's case was waiting to actually go to trial now delaying this case was very definitely a strategy used by our Kelly's defense. They probably figured that. Since his alleged victim was expected to take the stand. It would be better optics. If she were in her twenties rather than still a teenager when she had to deal are. So first off they wave Kelly's right to a speedy trial, which would have required the case to take place in four months or the chargers would have to be dropped. They also filed thirty some odd pretrial motions all of which demanded a response from the prosecution in usually led to an argument in court this always delayed. Thanks further. There are also some freak happenings that disrupted matters. The judge fell off a ladder and injured himself r Kelly's appendix burst. That's all your died. Fell off a ladder. There's some weirdness around the judge in this case, we'll get to some more of that later during the six years while he waited Robert did not exactly shut up and just sorta hunker down like a month after the charges were filed. He released a single heaven. I need a hug, which was basically his plea of innocent in the court of public opinion. Here's some lines from heaven. I need a hug, and as for Robert here's what I need to do get rid of them clowns and get myself a whole nother crew media do your job. But please just don't make my job so hard somebody. Please pray what I'm talking about. I'm still young trying to figure it all out heaven. I need a hug is there. Anybody out there willing to embrace a thug? So yeah, he needs a hug he's using. I had I mean people get on side powerful tool the question of his guilt or innocence is actually a semi regular theme in our Kelly's music, for example in the album chocolate factory. During a ten minute mini opera. R Kelly finds himself at the gates of heaven Saint Peter denies him for his sins. But then she's absolves him the same scene apparently plays out in the album love land as well. In the middle of a twenty minute remix of I believe I can fly so regular reoccurring theme in Kelly's music his career continued to chug along in the early 'oughts, but even his work wasn't free of drama in October of two thousand four he Jay z released their second collaborative album, which did predictably well, they started touring together and things were not smooth during a performance in Saint Louis on October twenty third Kelly left the show after getting into a screaming argument with the lighting technicians. He actually left the venue drove to a random McDonalds and spend our serving food to customers through the drive through window. What was your son comforts sheds a little light? Now. Kelly's people spun this weird Kelley's attorney Ed Gibson confirmed reports Monday that Kelly headed from Saint Louis Savacentre do a McDonald's restaurant that had closed, but which he persuaded to reopen for the entourage traveling on his bus. Then he decided he wanted to work the drive through Gibson said it was on the radio people were running out of their houses to have our Kelly serve them. Kelly is a big McDonalds fan who has stopped and worked at the drive thru windows. A McDonald's restaurants before in a primetime live interview that aired on October. He talked about frequent visits there with his late mother. We'd go to McDonalds almost every morning. She drinker Cup of coffee. She'd wear this cheap lipstick, and she'd leave this red lipstick around the Cup Kelly said that well first of all to McDonald's for being so big that that's not even a thing. USA as much Donald is just a house just like going to the store. You know, what I mean to be like he started people? It's like if you're a small brand, it'd be an art Kelly was just decided to work for you for a day. Like that would be the biggest thing that happened to you. But yeah, so bakers like you don't even associate that with the brand. I feel that this has to have been a franchisee though, because I feel like McDonald's corporate if some if they'd Nass she we had this guy who's being indicted for child pornography work in our Trifu. I feel like the CEO a lot of go in to eat. Well, yeah. But I feel like Ronald McDonald re. Polly be like, yeah. We don't want that worked out window, right? Right. But I'm gonna guess. Yeah. It was some like local franchise owner who was like we'll FOX business. Mcdonald's in Saint Louis. Yeah. I feel like would you have gone if you were there at that time like knowing what was going on? But like he's found guilty yet like as a normal person. Would you be like I'm gonna go get food from the art Kelly drive through you know, what also this also someone who was born in Saint Louis, and who has been their number of times in my life. If I was going to get handed French fries by a child pornographer, I would expect it to be at a McDonald's and Saint Louis. Yeah. That's like I think looking back. I'm like oh on principle. I wouldn't want anything to do with him. But I'm like if I was there at that time and someone was like dude r Kelly's handing out burgers demonstrate, I'm I'm going to be totally honest. I probably would drive through like, I don't like the right thing to do. And you can like whatever come at me. But I'm being honest. I think I would have gone, so okay. Let me only positives to you. If like Mel Gibson gets no because I don't care about Mel Gibson. I would have to be someone you care. I don't care about. What is the difference? Maybe the public opinion thing did make a difference him singing about him. So because I'm like, you know, what I mean like he seems more human. I mean, he was super popular though, too. I mean already outside all this. So I don't know. I think if it was someone like, okay, William Shatner is a famous person. I'd love who. I'm sure has done horrible things that just haven't heard about he must've shattner, I'm all he has to have look at look into his. But he just looks like a character actor who plays that. I think be sweet we don't know if any member of Hollywood has killed someone for money and Bill Shatner. Okay. I'm saying that right now, I have no evidence of this completely unsubstantiated Herta here for any Ayla star is a hit, man. It's it's Bill Shatner in his younger days when he was a lumberjack just that classic Canadian stereotype of the lumberjack slash handed burgers by like, a serial killer. No. But if. Like Shatner care. And I knew it. I would do it. If arbiters was handing out burgers, people, go people would go. But I don't think I would want to know. I don't want a killer to look me in the eye ever. Because it's like, I don't know how they choose their victims. Like, if they know my face, I might be dead in ten you know, what I mean? Like, I don't know. Maybe one day. They'll be like I remember that face. Oh, just randomly ultras killer. You know what? I mean. I don't know anyway. Sorry for derailing. It's not only from St Louis. What is Nellie from? Oh, anyway, I I I guess other artists from island is if like Bill Shatner was on trial for some terrible crime. And he was on his way to court working at a McDonald's. I would try to get some mcnuggets from from William Shatner, you it. I I think I would so. Yeah. That that's your answer is I can see why people would do this. So quite the digression on October twenty ninth two thousand four a few days after Kelly's night at McDonald's guy R Kelly stopped he performance in Madison Square Garden saying a fan. Had waved a gun at him. He wound up in a fight backstage, which one of Jay Z's people and got pepper sprayed. He went to the hospital. There were shitload of lawsuits in the tour collapsed in on itself. So on July twenty first two thousand five during pretrial proceedings in Kelly's court case. A twenty one year old woman testified that the girl in Kelly sex tape was fourteen when the video had been filmed saying it, quote, it was the summer after eighth grade. The judge did not consider yet. That's bad. Right. Eighth grade sound so much younger than yard teen. Fourteen. Sounds it's still bad. But eighth grade really drives it home. What's going on here? The judge did not consider this enough and threatened to toss out the court case, unless a more -firmative ide- could be made two months after this. Robert's wife Andrea filed for an order of protection against her husband. She claimed that she had asked him for a divorce in he'd hit her she rescinded the order shortly thereafter, but they wound up getting a divorce in two thousand eight anyway, we'll hear from Andrea a little bit at the end of all this back in February of two thousand six while. Everybody was still waiting for the Kelly trial to start Robert Kelly's brother, Kerry or Killa Kelly came out with a DVD filled with allegations against his sibling among other things. Yeah. Killa Kelly claims that are Kelly offered him fifty thousand dollars in cash into record deal to pretend to be the man on the tape. He also alleged that his brother was abusive to his wife and had a problem with underage girl. I none of that seems out of the pale. I will say that the credibility of Killa Kelly's allegations is somewhat put into question, by the way that he chose to drop this bombshell. Number one. Next time. A DVD is not the most credible way to present alligators title page. Find the title I found it was published by drama magazine with an h in the word drummer Hans. It's again, I'm gonna guess he got money for this. The H came before the diesel trauma. Yeah. So maybe it was all a cynical cash grab that said it is consistent with all the other allegations that have been made in wouldn't be the weirdest thing in the world. If R Kelly tried to have his brother take the fall for him now, even under the cloud of legal fucker looming over him Robert Kelly had continued to release albums that continue to be gigantic hits. And this is important to note and part of why Kelly's fans defend him, silver, seriously R Kelly has been the biggest name in our NB throughout most of this in may two thousand seven R Kelly gave an interview to hip hop soul magazine in it he said, I'm the Ali of today. I'm the Marvin Gaye of today on the Bob Marley of today. I'm the Martin Luther King are all the other greats that have come before us and a lot of people are starting to realize that now in February of two thousand eight a couple of months before jury selection began on the trial, Regina Daniels, Kelly's longtime spokeswoman and the person who deficiently denied the allegations of his wrongdoings to the press for like a decade left. His employ with her husband, George Daniels in the interview George explained he crossed the line with my daughter. It did. Get to the extreme of that the sex tape video or else, I wouldn't be here. If you know what I'm talking about the reason I'm that I'm talking about this. It's not just for me. It's not just for my wife. It's not just for my daughter. But it's for other fathers and mothers. Because it doesn't have to be a superstar. It could be the dude on the corner there guys who sit around and give your child a couple bucks to go to school. And then wait until they get a little older. And then they set that trap, grooming. Yeah. Yeah. It was grooming. And this is now again, the husband and his spokeswoman both of them had worked for him coming out and saying this a lot of people in his orbit have come out later with allegations on June fourteenth, two thousand eight R Kelly was found not guilty by a jury of his peers, the prosecution's star witness the woman in the tape never took the stand. Jim deroga-, the Chicago sun times reporter who broke the story took the fifth and did not testify. My think some of it is that he might have had to like admit that he'd seen the tape which would have been legally scary. And he also had some like worries that he he would be required to give up like sources and stuff like. That. So he he he did not testify, which is always a fraught thing for a journalist in a court case, there's a lot of reasons that would be complicated. Four days later judge gone through a post trial party at a bar to celebrate the end of the case he invited the defense. The prosecution court workers and reporters one of those reporters thing. The thing that people do it happened. This time is that typical. I've never heard of this before like, hey, guys, rack hardy people who are everybody trust secure Shen? Let's all get on get down. So bizarre. But one of the reporters who was present says that it was a hoot, and that everyone there was loosened relaxed. So that's nice. Oh, you almost put me in jail. Let's all part part. I don't think R Kelly went I'm gonna guess maybe that was the judge is hoped that he'd get to party with our Kelly again, there's some weirdness what the judge threw it. Yeah. Some weirdness. So our Kelly was not guilty. And if he were truly innocent of all of the allegations against him, this story might have ended there. But this is not the sort of podcast where we talk about wrongly accused people. So in the years since R Kelly was declared, not guilty things have only gotten darker, and a whole lot creepy or all of that will be coming to you the listener on Thursday, and we dropped part two of the working title has been R Kelly. What the hell man? How you doing? Hey, I didn't realize that you were gonna leave me on a cliffhanger that I'm gonna leave you on a cliffhanger or so I'm not going to know that when the air horn should have kicked in. Defense that people say like, oh, great art, blah here. All the time. Great artist. You know, what we're gonna do not not give their art. Yeah. I think it would have helped public opinion if when someone's under trial for child pornography that they're forbidden to put out art because then people can just fine. Appreciate the stuff that came before. But like we don't need to continue liking the guy. We we might it might be true. He's talented. But like while you're on a trial for something bad. You shouldn't be allowed to put out any more of your art. That's a privilege, not a right? Well, I mean when you're in trouble, you're not guilty. Like, you can't stop someone from putting out art when they're innocent until proven good. I think because post people on a position where it's like. Well, it's a good. We should just listen to. Well, why don't we just stop having it that we don't have to be like, it's all good and defending it. I think there's you you have some water when you're trying to get people to be like, hey, this guy's been accused of bunch of heinous crimes. Let's all boycott is music. I think that's fine. But I like the government can't go and be like, you don't get to make music. Yeah, you're right because then isn't guilty that can it can be used against him to silence them, but that's pesky civil rights, man. I don't know Justice. Teresa you wanna plug your plug Ables. Yeah. Sure. I've got a podcast. It's all about secrets you on sometime. 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We're going to have like thirty people top up on Twitter and be like also, you can get stickers. You'd find me on Twitter at I right? Okay. You'd find the sources for this episode on behind the bastards dot com. We'll be back on Thursday with the story of our Kelly's alleged sex Colt. An until then podcast. Yes. Investigators have been desperate to figure out how that family flew off that cliff in California, and whether it was on purpose early the morning of March twenty six rescue workers repelled down the cliff where they lifted the dead bodies of three children arm to the point where I no longer. I'm calling this an accident. I'm calling it a crime who are these women, and how did they come to adopt six children two sets of three black siblings. You're one of my early role models or what like non traditional fan bringing look like we looked up to her like, wow, she's the best parent in the world. We're horrible. I don't mind how now there's some kids that I feel as being highly abused. She would eating out at the garbage like something's not right about them. But since she's told me about it. I just can't live with it. I'm very concerned for these kids from glamour, and how stuff works this is broken hearts. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts.