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You are listening to the briefing first broadcast on the twenty seven th November two thousand and nineteen on monocle twenty four. The briefing is brought to you in partnership with Rolex six Halo. Welcome to the briefing coming to you. Live from studio one here at Midori House in London. I'm Markus Hippie. Coming up Germany. Many Socialists are beginning the process of electing a new leader. We law squatted means for the country's fragile political coalition. Also heads hits on Today's program. Good man is going to be the prime minister of the UK now or Jackson. Good man the stuff that he's smart this a Briton trump. They call them Brennan trump and his people are saying. That's a good thing it's the. US Republicans Britain conservatives take have lost their minds in recent years. But is there departure from the center. Ground somehow connected we'll also have around up from the Balkans welcomes the day's business headline spans monocle. Josh winners will take US inside our new edition of the forecast all that bright here on the briefing reffing with me. Markus Germany's oldest political party. The SPD will elected. It's new CO leaders. At the weekend the vote will also only have huge implications for the embattled Social Democrats but is also oh determine whether the parties fragile coalition with. I'm GONNA MERCKEL CD USA Vives. I'm joined for more on this by Quentin Peel. Who spent a number of years us the FDA spooning correspondent? Thanks for coming in Quentin. So how much is at stake here. Who allowed Because if the left-wing couple apple in the battle for the leadership of the SPD's that's no but valuable Yan sent his partner Saskia Ceska Eskin if they win they've been very critical of the grand coalition and they haven't said they would walk out but they'd certainly make life quite right difficult for Angela Merkel. That said nobody wants an election at the moment particularly the SPD's which is looking very weak in the polls so it's GonNa be a very difficult balancing act and it's very tight. This is too close to call the result. So how divisive exactly as the idea of the grand coalition with the CD you being within Venus Party. Well it's done what it set out to do but it's been a very lacklustre sort of government and it's the very much colored by these two major events hanging Everett one the fact that the SPD's has gone through months and months of trying to choose a leader and at the same time angle. America we all know is not going to serve again as chancellor so there is a leadership tension tension building up in her own party and so the two sides of this grand coalition have been rather drifting and watching nervously as the Greens. Greene's become the second most powerful party in the country now running well ahead of the SPD and the foul rights alternative for DOJ land which did before very well in the polls in eastern Germany in the last couple of months. So what do you expect to then From some today that's when the SPD's lex new leader so so well. I think the odds slightly on the traditionalist the centrist. That's to say Olaf Scholz the current vice chancellor whose finance minister and his Co leader run. A cloud gave its who comes from the east from Brandenburg. And and so they represent this east-west balance and they represent really the said the traditional center of the party but then not very the exciting. I mean Olaf Scholz is is seen as rather leaden rather dull they call him the showed so matt And he he he he just went set things alight and so. I think that there's very much the youth wing of the Party. The radicals and the party would like to see a more left left wing leadership whether it actually is the answer to the. SPD's dilemma is unclear. Because really they're running way back in the polls fourteen thirteen thirteen twelve percent compared with green. So are up over twenty percent now. It's as if the Greens taking over as the real force on the left. What do you think the alternative saw left if two then for the spat? How can they actually win? More support. Nationwide well I think that they would probably be unwise to swing. Too hard left left what they need to do where they weakness really lies his one. They've never managed to really build up supporting the old East Germany that they're the Lincoln The former Communist Party of kept to significant presence and the SPD's won't do business with and they really sort of at daggers. Drawn the the other parts of the country where the SP is pretty. Weak is down in the south in wealthy Bavaria and baden-wuerttemberg now suss gaskin. It comes from Baden-wuerttemberg. She's the the the left-wing CO leader candid it And she might bring a bit more support down on that but that's really the SPD's needs to have a vision and it doesn't seem to have a vision so who are the most loyal voters us off the spat who who are the ones who've been keeping the party. Where is the moment? Well the truth. Is that like the Labor Party. In Britain this is a party party. That was very strongly founded on the trade union movement and the trade unions are not as strong as they were the traditional left-wing voters an. Ah I think that's the dilemma. That the real traditional voters have gradually drifted away. They've drifted as I said to the Greens they've some of them have actually drifted across to the right and the party ever since the last time. They were in power with Guichard as the chancellor he was very much a sort of light. Tony Blair Third Way Social Democrat. They rather lost their identity. They also seen as having if you betrayed their base by introducing quite radical welfare payment reforms. And those actually Chile also upset the bay so they've they've been caught in the middle and serving in grand coalitions with Angola Moco has done them no favours now this grand coalition between the ESPN and the CD. You do think it will first of all survive. This weekend's vote and what happens if it doesn't well I think it will and I. I think it will for quite cynical reason that neither of the CD you know the SPD wants an early election. Both of them would be quite worried that they'd be hammered in it And they would see a growth of the other parties the Greens the AFC. And so on. So I think that cynicism will force them together even if the left-wing left-wing pair were to win the SPCA election but he won't be comfortable. It won't be easy and I think that it may well collapse in the next twelve months months rather than serve at the full term Quentin Peel. Thank you very much for joining us onto now with a look at the day's headlines here is Monaco's Janaka Fan. Thanks Wchs Marcus. US Congress has invited president. Donald trump to its first impeachment. Hearing at the beginning of next month the Democratic Chair of the House Judiciary Committee Jerrold Jerrold. Nadler set. That trump could either attend the session or stop complaining about process an official at honks poly technic. University says the no protesters. There's remain on the campus it signals. The end of a dramatic siege does so anti-government demonstrators barricade themselves on college grounds to siege has been one of the defining moments of the protests in Hong Kong and today's monocle minute reports. That Netflix has signed a lease to reopened a story. Paris theater in New York Orc to cinema I welcomed guests in nineteen forty eight and a streaming giant says that it is the city's last remaining single screen cinema. If you'd like more on the story hint over to monocled dot com slash minute does today's headlines back to you. Marcus thank you very much yolene. Let's not get to the dais. Latest business has headlines. I'm joined on the line by Bloomberg's urine pots the owner of Manchester. CTO sold a stake in the club for five hundred million dollars dollars U. N. Y.. Interest how lamarcus yes. US private equity firm Silverlake has bought ten percents of the company which owns Manchester Ct.. Football Cup the price tag is five hundred billion dollars that puts evaluation on the group of just under five billion dollars now one of the highest ever price hikes for or professional sports organization. It's a pretty hefty price tag for football team back in the old days it used to be entrepreneurs and businessmen a sunk a lot of money into football clubs as sort of vanity project. They were pretty good way to lose cash but now investors starting to look more closely at football clubs loves particularly the British primarily English premier league and now well the big clubs. Doing most of their money from Brooke writes merchandising. They're also looking at ways to use use technology to sell privilege to access the fans. They have a very powerful brand particularly the English Premier League in Asia very popular now l.. Sylvan lakes best known for its tech. Investments we instinct to see if they can use some of their tech expertise to help leverage some of that value. But it's pretty not yet tricky path for the football clubs. They've got treads careful. Line between offering stuff to entice fans but without upsetting the the elites which bring them the TV revenue of course where the bulk of their money comes from so interesting path for the clubs to fully definitely ends in other news. Luke from one of the world's biggest tobacco companies still more the company which owns lucky lucky strike cigarettes than many other brands. British American Tobacco's lowered its outlook for full year. Self sales growth. It's not about tobacco this is all to do with vaping. Now the problem with the vaping is twofold for the tobacco companies firstly then engaged an rather expensive land grab in the US currently companies offering starter kits price as low as a dollar as they try to become the dominant players in the rapidly expanding baby market but also Some concerns about regulatory relates oversight. There's been outbreak. I'm sure you've heard of a mysterious illness. Fate linked to vaping growing concerns about teenagers adoption of the practice that bring two thousand cases of this mysterious lenses and forty seven deaths reported in the US related to vaping so a lot lot of concern about what's happening with the president trump. Also saying that he's considering increasing the age applying vaping products to twenty one. Bat Saint say that sales growth from these new products will be at the lower end of its forced focused. Range of thirty to fifty. Percents are still a lot of growth in vaping but not quite as much as has. Bat was previously predicting a thank you very much. That was Bloomberg's you're imports. It's twelve twelve here in London. You're listening to the briefing on Monaco. Tony Femme Tom. MONOCLE and Rolex. Bring you the pioneers. The pioneers is a brand new series. That tells the stories of people improving the planet. A heroic supports these innovators with whom they share a passion to safeguard in the F- if future generations gain precious insight into the fresh thinking that is disrupting received wisdom for the better and learn in how Phyllis action continues to be the crucial driver of change. The Pioneers in partnership with Rolex. Welcome back you're listening to the briefing on monocle twenty four. Let's get more on the day's other news stories now with colonial opponent who is managing editor of the Institute for war and Peace Reporting and Mary Joseph Ski Writer for the Independent and The Guardian. Welcome to the program. Graham first today after stuttering start also Lafond Alliance. European Commission is set to begin work on the first of December. That is a month late. Eight issues arose around. A few of the candidates initially fielded for the work. UK Prime Minister. Boris Johnson has to drag tease fees. boozing anyone forward while the European Parliament rejected candidates from France Romania and Hungary von Der Lion also attracted some heat for. Oh her joyce of job titles. She was forced to change the promoting our European way of life departments to promoting the European way way of life on the grounds that the former sounded a bit fascist. Mary how has Yvonne de la in in European calibrate Atocha mission. What what has changed changed? Well I think quite a lot has changed actually more in terms of the shape of it in that the seems to be quite a clear precedence. The the three very senior commissioners and then there's another and elaborate load that So in a way it looks slightly more rationally. Organize them before. But of course that risks offending quite a lot of people who find themselves not in the top three Because and one of the principles as I understand it if the European Commission is that every member has a commissioner and they have a certain responsibility which of course has become much more difficult as as the EU has expanded Nonetheless that there should be sort of feeling of equality the everybody Being an equal member of the EU and It may be that if that's been lost. If sufficient people feel that it's been lost than it could come. I'm back to haunt us. Van Lion in the sense that she may find things more difficult to manage. It is indeed difficult balancing acts taking into account in all the member states. What is European? How well US resolve succeeded in in in creating this new commission? I don't think there's any the can be anything apart from bureaucratic hot mess really by its very nature. Say Just it's about minimising that Going forward She seems extremely capable. figure And perhaps now statistically I can't really very far beyond Brexit is being the major challenge the whites hat and From the comes from a defense background and it seems she Is going to play a large role in this endless debate. About Europe's joint military pop policy or tabloid newspapers like put it the European Army Marielle which personalities formerly and able to bring to the role of a commission precedents. Well I think she. I think there was a lot of ill feeling that surrounded surrounded a lot of resentment when she I took the job because she was in a in a way parachuted in and there were people who felt they got a better. I took You're more entitled to more qualified for that job. She came from being a defense minister in Germany and had been seen I mean at some point as a possible successor to Angela Merkel That didn't pan out either And I have to say that I've been Maybe slightly less admiring than Dunya of was lavender. Lions Capabilities But she has got a commission together And so far at least she hasn't made too much of a fuss about the absent British Commissioner Which I think is one of the one of it is an interesting question because according to the letter of the law the British should have nominated a commission But I think there were tuten. Boris this Johnson says the reason he hasn't nominated one is because of the election. Everything INS purred or all. Those sorts of appointments are in suspension for the duration of the election action campaign. I think there's actually more to it than that Because I think that he may have felt that if he'd nominated a commissioner for the UK Whether or not we end up with brexit being actually done on the thirty first of January it would look as though Oh there was a possibility of the UK carrying on And I think that's something. He very very much wanted to avoid during the campaign. So Bizarre Loyd sprigs it then. What are the most pressing issues? The commission is going to be dealing with next. I think defense I visit the NATO summit Coming up and the and this has been the main main topic of discussion especially given the current incumbent in the White House there there are some very strident voices in favor of improving military cooperation. Incapability as Emmanuel macron said It's not just the threats from Russia and China Bro. Says the threat of disengagement engagement though disengagement of the US as well so is Is Europe going to be more independent when it comes to protection and security and why people pay what they need to because currently people covering the member states. Don't pay the two percents that they're supposed to With some with some very few exceptions and Coming from as he says. Mary said the defense brief of the German government. I think the Commissioner is going to see that as it one of the main one of the main branches of her tenure. Mary would have something to the list of the most urgent issues. The European Commission should be dealing with. Well I think that one of the one of the issues that they may be think that is one of the more urgent once they should be dealing with is visited. Climate change issue and that seems is to be right up near the top of their agenda If I was going to add another one maybe to One is migration because any any attempt to coordinate a sensible migration policy what happens to people stranded on boats in the Mediterranean people stranded at the borders of the E U You There is still no agreement. No sensible arrangement for any sort of quota for processing accepting People on any standardized standardize basis. And I think that needs to be a priority I think the other thing is weather The question of trade agreement with the United States is going to come back doc Because this has been rumbling on practically as long as I can remember and it was recently put on hold and there are actually huge issues issues. between what could loosely call values and standards as between the United States and the EU. And I think the question gene is whether everybody's going to have another go at that or whether they're going to wait in the hope may be that the new American president after the election. I would have one thing into that as well which is an issue. which isn't going to go away? What to do with recalcitrant members of the EU who are really on a different trajectory? I mean the obvious. One is increasing authoritarian Hungary. Poland is also showing definite tendencies in those ways and not fake feeds all these other issues especially migration if you hungry angry as a fully functioning member of the EU yet completely refuses to Cooperate when it comes to migration issues then itself a problem and that problem is we look at the trends of populism that The problem is only going to increase. Do you think Vonda. And we'll be able to do anything about that. Issue besides trying to balance between West European nations and East European nations. Well it's it's difficult because Although Auburn is quite clear about not wanting to northern as an example not wanting to be dictated to by Western Europe he also needs the money. Frankly frankly And that's a similar pattern everywhere. The the idea is can you exert pressure from within within Without making this whole structure even more fragile and I think brexit is just making that It extremely problematic right. Yeah there was a bit of controversy earlier when when Vaudevillian had to rename the promoting our European way of life department into promoting getting the European way of life. What is your impression? What exactly happened over there homeless? It's these countries you Danila mentioned Poland and Hungary for example have to do with this. Well I think the the the the very How should I say quite protective attitude to what would be what they would call And it's all our fault In as it were old Europe for introducing the idea of European values and this gets repeatedly quoted back at older by new Europe. Who say that? It's we who actually Falling down on observing European values But of course mm Poland and Hungary maybe some of these values in slightly different way But I do think that was was lavender line has one thing going for her As a German and I mean European MEP's and commissioners are supposed to as it were Leave the possible to the door when they go into European institutions that the Europeans primarily and not nationals but as a German She is really on the side of the angels because with Angola Molecules Admission of so many migrants and refugees during a refugee crisis And so far there relative success in absorbing so many people She does actually she. She has As as it were an asset to bring to table and now moving on the combative political interview is something of an institution in the United Kingdom and last night Andrew Andrea Neil. A posthumous offered an instructive lesson in Howitzer deliver one. He spoke to Jeremy Corbyn leader of the Labour Party. Let's no hero. Beatles Fair Exchange Change Andrew. I think we also have to look at how we've created these dangers as well. That means the point. I just raised the point. I just just raises very serious. One doesn't stop him from killing us. Andrew you have to look the future as well. That's what I'm going to send terrorist harassed this country. You cannot confirm tonight I would say taxes and with the information I got at the appropriate time. British press had a field. You'll day with the interview today. Bus Our interviews like this particularly instructive when it comes to helping the electorates decide how to cast its votes. You've done yellow. Were the main takeaways from las notes. Jostle well the main takeaways is that Jeremy Corbyn is petulant Cont count do very basic things like apologize for antisemitism or come out with a clip position on but major issues which confirms what we knew about him In general I would say competitive. Political interviews are a little uh of a Cliche nor always very illuminating. But I think they are useful in sharing how How leaders stand up onto pressure? The one to one pressure is something is something unique when it comes to getting information from them. I'M GONNA. That's not really the purpose When it comes to understanding more about the human being or the passion behind the role well something different? That's for soft feature but I think you can be. I think you can do a hard hitting political an interview without being quite so grandstanding. Some of the famous or big beasts in British journalism Not that this should be divided. Long gend lines butts. I think it's just a fact that if you look at Female journalists and reporters at the interviewing style tends to be a little bit different. Mary what do you think is the balance. Between having a combative of Broach and trying to find out information I mean it depends very much what you're trying to do. Who are you trying to find things out in which case may be a A softer approach may be recommended. Or are you trying actually to have some sort of dual are you trying to Are you trying to get a reaction from the other side and Hopefully a reaction that's going to attract headlines or is going to make a political difference And I can make a defense for both those approaches But I have to say that I sort of slightly disagree with Daniele about the Jeremy Corbyn interview Because I I watched it was creating such a fuss all over the social media last night T I watched it at dead of night on catch up services and and I felt that Andrew Neil was completely out of court in a lot of cases and I also wondered whether the twitter response sponsored especially which was all over car crash into view All the headlines. This morning Jeremy Corbyn fails to apologize. This that and the other I just wonder I wonder whether people outside our particular Political Arena would have responded in the same way to Germany. mkx Opens Interview Because it seemed to me there was a lot of deliberate needling. There was a lot of absolutely tiny details which Jeremy Corbyn to my mind handled quite competently and quite calmly. And I just wonder whether the whether the response out there as opposed to in here might be a different. VISTAPRINT has made a virtue out of sitting on the fence and giving equivocal ons whether it's about Brexit brexit or whether it's about Anti Semitism which he always says and all kinds of of racism and that's shown through in this particular context. It's quite claire. If you say you know the the big story of the day was the chief rabbis Open address about the issue of Antisemitism Labor. It's pretty it shows kind of human touch. Say I am sorry about that and sort of addressed the Jewish community directly. Not asking a lot. Do this kind of interviews favor favor sleep politician several bonds with integrity of very very difficult question and I think If I were responding in a sort of dualistic way I would say what do you mean by integrity. What do you mean sooners politician I think in a way Maybe I withhold judgment because the next interviewee for Andrew Neil is going to be Johnson apparently not tonight but Um uh-huh sometime in the future when he gets around to it And obviously Andrew Neil will be obliged will be temperamentally inclined to show show exit to to to make to take exactly the same approach that he took with Jeremy Corbyn And so I think it it It's only after that that may be we'll be able to judge if there is a very sharp contrast between the way Corbin handle things in the way. Boris Johnson handles the way they come over to the public. Then I think we might be in a position to answer that question. Just finally. Do you think the this this kind of style of interviewing is uniquely British. I think do think politicians in other parts of the world enjoy the same level of aggression from journalists heart attack. It's hard to tell but I think we have. I think we we have fetish is a slightly. We will remember in this country. Jeremy Paxman asking the same question. Was it thirteen times. Was it seventeen times numerous times. And that's what puts me me off a bit becomes a bit of a of an end to itself but there this combative style. I think will be very good with Boris Johnson because Boris Johnson's UNFORTUNATE USPA. At the moment I and somebody who does not recognize the truth so when you hold him to account and say is what is. Is this right or is this right. Give Esol answer. I think that is going to quite possibly muscular him a little. I think that in many other countries they are actually completely horrified even now by the competitive nature of British political tickle interviewing That they regard politicians especially national leaders leaders of opposition leaders of government As people people who deserve a degree of respect so I don't think it's necessarily styled at travels Last week we had very very interesting session where we had a studio audience asking questions of the political leaders one by one and there was an occasion where Boris Johnson was asked about integrity or credibility And the studio audience longed They they'd also laughed at Jeremy Corbyn for one of his answers and I came out of watching that thing. I don't think there is another country in the world where you would have a studio audience openly openly laughing and ridiculing. You're basically leading politicians. Maybe in the United States approaching that but only with the trump presidency. Let's see and finally reported that. In Finland there is now a significant demand for centers who represents Moore feminist values. Barons are now looking for Sunder would not blurt out anything inconsiderate in front of children or would for example issue children's gender. It doesn't sound like my country. Finland this nation of snowflakes. We'll have to be very careful ahead. I well you know. I'm I'm just the Greenwich really and Christmas leaves Me Very Bah Humbug and I think it would be good to maybe introducing an element of danger. Paxton's the center. I'm sure in Finland and in many of these sort of northern countries. You have some quite sinister Traditions and sinister fairy tales of perhaps they could perhaps you could update the center story with With something of grimmer from the attic. What do you think Mary about this new story? Well I mean I. I was intrigued because I I seem to remember a while back. There was talk of having mother Christmases as well as Father Christmases in the UK. And I think it was partly to do with actual shortage shortage of men of a certain age wanting to be father. Christmases and receiving small children In departments grottos and that sort of thing So I think I think the war's move which in west been lost But I would also say that I'm talking of all these Strange Nordic characters. I I have on my Christmas tree. Every year a very small Baba Uganda which is a Russian which And it's very beautiful and she rides awesome broom But I have to say the type had guests who look at it and say that's about a year ago. That should not be a Christmas tree. That is I pay good so I think that Maybe there's room for different opinions about this. Maybe some inspiration for finish over there as well Daniel Fella. The Mary digits. Thank you very much us for joining us here in the briefing. You're listening to the briefing monocle. Twenty four I am marcus hit be. It would be ed to say that. There are striking parallels between Boris Johnson Conservatives and the Republican policy on Donald Trump both movements have lurched just to the right under the stewardship of their blunt reactionary leaders and the Tories and the GOP are no longer considered a safe haven for moderate right-wing politicians trump and Johnson have also been accused of bringing radicals into their inner circle to further their own goals. So what has happened to these one. S- great political movements and is their departure from the mainstream somehow connected. I'm joined in the studio by Geoffrey. Free Howard who teaches political philosophy at University College London. Welcome back to the broke creme. Jeff First of all we always stating things here or do also see indirect parallels between the parties. I don't think we're overstating things I think there really is. This deep connection between what's going on in the Conservative Party here in the United Kingdom. And what's been going on the Republican Party in the United States. Both of them are conservative. Political Parties putatively self-professed conservative political parties. That have really abandoned. In some of the core tenets of conservatism itself which have to do with maintaining order maintaining stability maintaining predictability. And I think part of what's happened is that both the parties have had this kind of populist reorientation they've answered to a concerned group of citizens who very much have a kind of backward looking nostalgia style Joe about a a wider more culturally homogeneous past. They both have a tendency to scapegoat immigrants And they have a tendency to blame elites and I think those rose dimensions of populism have really infected an undermined the conservative aspect of both political parties. So can next. It's have these sheets both in the the. US and the UK being always it just a coincidence us we see this happening to the GOP and to the Conservatives in the UK. Well I think the most accepted empirical hypothesis in this matter is that there has been an people caused by globalisation with jobs. Moving overseas with Traditional working class jobs being reduced through automation. And that's something that that certainly has affected the United Kingdom and the United States as well as many other countries. I think if you look at the grievances of what American political scientists are pundits with call heartland land voters in the United States. They're very similar to the kinds of grievances espoused by BREXIT voters. Here and so I think there is a connection in the sense that the the global forces is that are producing those grievances. Or what's driving both the turn to populism in the United Kingdom and in the United States you mentioned Brexit Ius over over there and I have to ask what part Brexit has played here because some observers say thus it's unlikely that Donald Trump would have been elected in the first place if the UK had opted opt to stay in the European Union. I wouldn't have probably said that. I think I probably would have suggested that Brexit was a kind of warning sign that something was amiss. That there were these deep Senses of disillusionment Agreement within the political culture of the West broadly That was motivating this kind of candidates. Popularity celerity a kind of candidate who comes in and says you know I'm going to smash up the system. I'm GonNa make things very very different. And I. I think I'd like to stress again. Just how radical a departure that is is from the idea of conservatism as a matter of political philosophy I brought along a quote by the conservative political philosopher. Michael Luke shot and it's really striking to think about Boris Johnson and Donald Trump self-professed conservatives. As as I read it. So dot says this to be conservative is to prefer the familiar to the unknown to prefer the tried to the untried tried fact to mystery the actual to the possible. The Limited to the unbounded the near to the distant the sufficient to the super abundant the convenient to the perfect present laughter to Utopian Opium Bliss. And you ask about Brexit just think about brexit. It's there's there's nothing more unknown especially than hard deal exit the willingness of the current incarnation a nation of the Tory political party to abandon the predictable. I think is a real betrayal of conservative ideas. Also referring facts. Let's talk about Fake News Houston. DC Information. They seem to become characteristics off both the GOP and the Tories of the moment. Why is that well? I think that there is a wearing similarity clarity on the part of both the Prime Minister of the UK and the president of the US in that they both seem to be fundamentally dishonest people. They seem to be willing to insult the intelligence voters they seem to be willing peddle falsehoods on a on a regular basis. I don't think Boris Johnson is probably as egregious in this regard. Donald Trump But I think that there is a fundamental sense sense of disrespect for for voters intelligence. Here and I. I don't know if that's a matter of of populism but it is it is a a worrying political strategy that I think a reveal something something that's quite similar between the two men which is the real lack of any substantive moral convictions on the part of either. I think either is willing to do whatever they need to do to Muster the political support. They need to stay in power and they really relate to the activity of talking to voters not as a matter of Respectfully addressing people and trying hi to convince people of their point of view but just as cogs in a machine. They're trying to say whatever they whatever they think will produce the outcome that they want whether they have to lie to do it is neither here nor there and their point point of view. But you think Boris Johnson has learned many tricks from Donald Trump. I think the one that the Tories have learned that there is this sense. That democracies are constrained strange by these informal norms by these soft guardrails by these sets of institutional norms. That have persisted over time. And the the president of the United States shows that you can just fly these norms with impunity. And you can do some serious damage you can get away with it. And so I think when they decided to remove the whip from from so many members of the Conservative Party Part of what was happening there was learning from the case of Donald Trump. In the fact that you really can just ride roughshod over these well established institutions in the chickens may never come home to roost. You really can break the rules of the game in order to win. And I think we're seeing that on on both sides of what is the the position of the moderates in both parties know. Well I think in both parties you have people who do adhere to that kind of shoddy and conservatism. That I alluded to a moment ago. This idea that we prefer order that we prefer stability that we want to move. Slowly on this view conservatism isn't necessarily about Any specific sets policies. Note that the Conservatives of course in America the Republicans are opposed to nationalize healthcare whereas there are more investments in and the NHS Ostensibly coming out through the current Conservative Party Manifesto Conservatives have instead is about a disposition. It's a way of doing politics. Away of being being cautious in our approach to politics. And that particular idea of conservatism. I think that's been thrown completely out the window by both. Just finding how optimistic Listrik argue about the future do think the Republicans and the Conservatives mice wasn't gonNA become policies that embrace common sense cent bracket assume in the future. I think the upcoming elections are extremely important because of the message. Fill sand on exactly this point. So in the United Kingdom if Boris Johnson wins and overwhelming majority the lesson learned. Will that will be that. The particular tax exceeds trotted out this time around have been successful similarly if trump wins reelection If he survives the entire impeachment each mint scandal and he returns to power for a second term he will do so with a restored sense of his unlimited power to break norms with impunity entity. You know I think. It's highly plausible that after the Mueller probe into the relationship between the trump campaign and the Russian government in two thousand sixteen didn't turn up up anything concrete that Congress was willing to act on I think Donald trump learn the lesson. Wow I can do some reasonably dodgy stuff and get away with it and that's what happened with Ukraine. Then he survives Ukraine and he gets reelected. I think that will send a signal to everybody that this really is. Donald Trump's Republican party and moderates really need to run for the we'll because they're not welcome. Thank you very much Jeffrey Howard. You're listening to the briefing on monocle. Twenty four let's get a round up of the stories making news in the Balkan Now I'm joined on the line by our manning the region guidance Johnny Welcome back to the program guy so your first started for today is from Serbia one minister with a degree they haven't earned could be an accident but there is actually due to his job. I love the headline on N.. One News which is One of them news providers in this region based mainly in Belgrade. It says another Serbia ministers display diploma under suspicion. So when says another it's a it's a bit worrying isn't dead so in this case. It's the bushes. Stefanovic founded choose the the the ministry minister of the Interior. He joined his colleague. Finish Molly. who was the finance minister? Both of them have had their degrees under the microscope. In the case of the Finance Minister. Finisher Molly it's because he allegedly plagiarized chunks of his doctoral thesis And these are which would be made by international academics and not just to you know people here political opponents but of course the political opponents of jumped on this and they said sinister molly should resign. This has been going on for about five years and finally the University of Belgrade the Ethics Committee that has recommended that his doctoral degrees should be rescinded and now his political opponents. Saying you better be resigning on Thursday or else so at some. It's quite amusing the way this is going on a low of course if you worked hard for your degree in Serbia you might not think so and and how does the Serbian public feel about this kind of news. Well it depends who they they are of course if you'll be living in Belgrade while educated and you're more likely to vote for the opposition none of course you're outraged and you're saying well. This just indicates the type of people we've gotten government these days. We have one man who allegedly copied a third of his doctoral thesis literally copy pasted things from other people's work with not so much as a footnote of of annotation to acknowledge stat. And you've got another man who went to university called megatrend which supposedly reminds him going to university? megatrend for starters but He then went to a campus in London which apparently has only ever had the two students and everyone who's listed as being a professor denied hotly that they were ever professor and he got his degree from megatrend and two years rather than force at the single. You know how is it that we have people like this in government But I have to say with with politics in the Western Balkans play water boundary here but about the opposition. Not Too much better. Let's continue to Slovenia next. It's it seems that Slovenian's aqua miserable loss at least if you look at the latest figures and it's not we'll just if you look at the latest figures now my call Slovenia my home as you know Marcus and I am very keen on the place. I think it's terrific okay. The weather's been miserable at the moment but this is a country which is probably really dedicated to sustainability. Sixty percent of the country is covered by forest and cycling around. Lubiana is not a blood sport which you certainly can't say for most of the other cities in this region as so many good things about this place and yet people are unhappy and the latest survey suggests fifty one percent of people in in Slovenia our discontent and this is the first rise in discontentment. We've had in seven years and I want to put that in context in Twenty Anti twelve ninety one percent of people were discontent with life in in Slovenia and they went on the streets to to demonstrate that now we're back up above of that fifty percent mark and lots of people be scratching their heads. Saying why so It's a some ways it's a mystery to me but people just feel that they're no not really Where they want to be in life and just finally guy and in brief if if you may interesting museums in Zagreb you may have through the Museum of failed? It's relationships but now you've got the hangover museum. There is the hangover museum and this is going to be an unforgettable space. Apparently which is more than he can save the times when you have a hangover ever and this has been set up by a group of Students WanNA create a museum featuring the best drunken and hangover stories with one item mm-hmm that would best represent peach story so they've obviously taken a bit of a inspiration from the Museum of broken relationships. which does something similar asks people to donate items? Tim's which represent a failed relationship and then can people learn from what's gone on if there's anything which can be learned from a hangover. Marcus except him do it again. look what you'll go to Laura. Thank you very much for this roundup of stories. You only to the briefing on monocle twenty monocle Rolex bring you the pioneers for the founder of Rolex Hands Wills dove the world was like Living Laboratory. He began to use it as a testing ground for his watches from the nine hundred. Thirty s sending them to the most extreme locations supporting explorers who ventured into the unknown but the world has changed as the twentieth century unfolds exploration for pure discovery has given way to at probation as a means to preserve the natural world. Rolex continues this legacy of its founder supporting the explorers of day on the new mission to make the planet perpetual lead more with the Pioneers in partnership with rolling and it is twelve. Forty eight here in London. You're listening to the briefing. It's time to review the day's papers. Now I'm joined in the studio by monocle Nichols Own. Have Been Ryan and Ben Good afternoon. Shall we start with a newspaper from your home city of Melbourne. That's right Marcus. West starting with the age and as quote a tense situation going on in Australia at the moment regarding the Prime Minister Scott Morrison. Now this is actually. Concerning one of his ministers the Energy Minister Angus Taylor Angus. Taylor has been in a bit of hot water recently. After he claimed that a lot of money being spent by a particular council in the State of New South Wales ells on on travel expenses. Now he was. He said in parliament that he was relying on a particular document that showed the the expenses had gone into the millions. It appears that whatever whether this document was that he was relying on May have been a forgery now data as obviously angered a lot of people One of the Labor Opposition politicians then called for an investigation into Mr Taylor has been taking place. The story of gotten the age today concerns. Scott Morrison the prime minister making a phone call to the police. Commissioner a New South Wales to ask about the substance of the investigation. Now you do generally don't do that. Needless list to say that has said a lot of people on fire. They're now saying that. The prime minister is trying to influence the investigation. The police commissioner for his part said that he he had seen the phone ringing several times on Tuesday morning but had ignored the cold because he didn't recognize the number so it does seem that even Scott Morrison Orthon has been having a bit of trouble getting through to the police commissioner but regardless this conversation has taken place and the prime minister certainly seems to be on the back foot over in And in other news the former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is making headlines as well. You've got the conrete indeed now. This story is well. It was rather tens about twenty twenty years ago of the story now consents the twentieth anniversary of the referendum. That Australia took to decide whether it would become a republic break away from the Commonwealth. Say It's it's time is up for You Majesty. The Queen and elect our own Australian head of state. Australia voted no on that but it was the beginning beginning of political career for Mr Malcolm Turnbull. He was later of that referendum campaign and he was present at this dinner. That took place last night in Canberra Dan Rutz who marked twenty years since the vote and he said that look obviously the the the momentum that led to this referendum still exists in Australia. There are still a lot of people who say we should be a republic. The questions are just we don't know how to do it The and Mr Turnbull has been saying that if if this question were asked again if if it were put to the people once again we need to work out what the model would be a not was really the thing that killed the referendum in the first place A lot of people agreed that we should eight eighty sensible for Australia to have its Iron Australian head of state but no one could quite agree on how that person would be elected and they'd actually do Hogan senses. Is this topic for example when you are in Australia. Meet your friends to discuss with Australia's Abuna public or not now. Most people have a bit of a giggle about it. Actually because the the queen doesn't really have anything to do with this training politics as it is the role of the Governor General which is essentially what the president would be if we were a republic. It's purely ceremonial. The only consequential thing the governor general has ever really don would be to sack the government in the nineteen seventies and of course not quite controversial especially if you're a Prime Minister Whitlam But ever since then it it really is a ceremony on your role. No one really gets upside about this very much and I. I do think that's why. A lot of people have reservations about changing the system because Australian politics ease for the most part ah very plain sailing very on controversial. We don't really have extremes on either side of politics. I mean they're they're they're have an awful lot of power sir. I think there are a lot of people who think let's just leave it as it is daylight savings in the other hand. Are they controversial as a topic. You've got a story from the Sydney morning. Herald my goodness Marcus. This is one of the most controversial topics you could possibly raise in his The moment As as you would probably know is well-known because we we talk about this here in in Britain to but there are a lot of people who don't like daylight savings Including it does seem the Labor leader in the State of New South Wales. Jodi McKay one of her constituents has has written to her saying that she would like daylight savings to be shortened or axed all moved. Because it's too hot to go walking in the park in an evening She complained that. Come eight o'clock in the evening. She would like to go for a gentle stroll in a local park. It's still hovering around forty degrees absolutely ridiculous. We should change the times to make cool things going to happen now. I'm not sure I don't have this. I don't know why get so controversial. I I suspect there are a lot of people who misunderstand. What daylight savings actually is the article here in the Sydney Morning Herald is it's quite enlightening? Actually about why people get so uptight about it. There are several reports some of them. Say daylight savings bad for climate. Change others say that it leads to a rise in robberies and so on He's just a list of some of the things that have been attributed due to change of time. A full in robberies increased petrol sales a- jump in heart attacks less milk being produced by cows. And you'll curtains uh-huh fading faster which is terrible news. I suppose if you're really into drapery I don't really see the logic in this to be on Marcus. I'm pretty pretty sure that if you change the time it doesn't make the daylight actually longer but we will definitely be following this new story here. I WANNA go to four. Let's make sure if that's Ben Ryland. Thank you very supporting a serum articles and follow and finally. Today's Bro Chronicles forecast. `cost for twin hits new stunt tomorrow our executive editor finished is here to tell us what we can expect to welcome back to the broker. I'm Jewish so we declare in the cover of this magazine. That explains the year ahead. Total we do that. I know Marcus journalist. We've got to be extremely careful about venturing predictions fictions because often in the cold light of day things like date. Brexit will happen the imminent end of the world as declared by the Mayans when the Millennium Bug Can seem a little bit silly. After journalist proclaimed that they'll definitely happen and then they don't Seventy forecast we've taken a bit of a different tack. We've gone and ask the people who we think. No the issues best. That will shape the air ahead Just want to start with one story. the environment is definitely going to affect cities in the year ahead. Dan particularly climate change survived them talking about that in a very abstract way. We sent did James Chambers from our Hong Kong Office to visit the new Potential she'll capital of Indonesia a city on the island of Borneo that same to spread out investments across Indonesia and we see that they're actually breaking ground there to create an entirely new. You City the kind of thing that's been done In Brasilia in the sixties in Canberra. There's a city being built outside of Cairo so rather than talking about climate change in cities. We've we've actually physically Ghanem reported from these outposts that we think are going to be important and I think that is going to be key to shaping the air ahead in one sense. It's one of the standout stories. Stories in this magazine was kind of other stories. Would you like to mention well. We talk about print media. We talk about the importance of it in the year ahead we see book. Sales are going up. We know independent magazines are doing well. We also know the newspapers of flagging so we went to the Times of India. Marcus the biggest English language newspaper in the World Prince three million copies over fifty six editions and join them today. We embedded with the fashion editor with the local crime. Reporter with the editors the regional editions and again it's a bit of a sideways sideways. Look at an industry that we think is important. We print lots of magazines and newspapers here. We think it's an important way of disseminating what we consider to be an important message But again we can have a bit of fun with that. We can see how that's done elsewhere. We also least thirty ideas to make your life a bit better. There's also another ranking list. At least the best small ceases to a small well I think that the year ahead is In Monaco editorial as any regular be talking about gentle all social changes that make your work life better and make your personal life better and both live in London and we know that sometimes that could be a bit of a strain. It's an expensive place to live if it's a busy place to live and although we both work at Monaco very rewarding I hope he does a lot to be said for decamping to Porto ordered decamping camping too at Lausanne bouldering Colorado or even Bergen another city that we Place a place a kind of Spotlight on to talk about a gentler pace of life and what it might be like if you're going to set up is the only Finnish broadcaster based in any of those cities. Marcus exactly aren't mentioned in the beginning. The brand's new four costas on the new stamps to Moro. Thank you very much. That was Jewish finance. Joining us at Midori House Studio One. And that's all for today. Spanish and off the briefing during the program was produced by Reese Jason or Gusty Matia Lorient researched by. You'll find some Yohannes. Our studio managers Steph Junior. I am marcus taping. Thanks for listening and by now. uh-huh uh-huh

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