Lawrence Okolie joins Barry Jones & Gary Logan
If not useful spicy listen to toad. SOPA cost hello. And welcome to this week's ring saw toe to toe the sky's sports box podcast. I'm Barry Jones and this week. I'm joined by former British title Challenger now respected trainer Gary Logan I su- gary and the cruiserweight European champion Lawrence O.. Coney Kony Lawrence harder for me. Was the day being so far. No work and then coming in to quote Well so just before we have to say. Lawrence is being Golden Gary All day both certain topics if just for the next four minutes if you can stop that task maneuver around. He's like my favorite fire now. John just rose rosacea Rhody thought. Let's get onto. We'll talk ambitions you have of course you know. Hopefully the vast ski is going to be next for. The belts is being reported Chicago Masters twenty-eight holders that time and venue sit you. Yes as good Afoa like I'm ready in training camp This would probably be the longest campout be given you know eleven twelve weeks. Usually you know seven or wherever saw oh you know are making a comfortable being physically strong acclimatize inefficient another country was because I look forward to it. If is that day but was stone wounded negotiation. But you know the world title is the next and this was gonNA happen. Is that a is this opponent you be tidied. been watching Gretzky. It's all it's not about a mall since You know the fight was ordered up started watching warm beforehand. I'd watch that much of him. But you know I've gone back. I've watched him when he was twenty seven and he's physical prime. You know and seeing how he competed because obviously now who challenged again. I'm she'll come of fire and EMBIID So I wanna see what he's like he's best. I've watched a lot of Broken down but you know you never know until you actually get into some really going to be like apar- over awful good I can't turn pro two thousand and eight thousand in a long career. He I think he won the tall bef- two thousand fifteen. So before before. You know you will need you still punch of punch and innovest back then but do you think the experience with both well for him. Would you think maybe the Korea the longevity of the career. Maybe he's the it's not GonNa hurt and he's got a he's not a lot. June time bunkers world champion and before we just solely prong. Oh you mean he's going to be different. Tastes doubt you know going over to CHICAGO OF RABID Polish contingent. But if anybody that's called the mental makeup to do it I would. I would say it's going to be a man here. He presents a different style. Yeah good good south ways not on those or quit gangrene is a good south. Well he's only six foot. Six fights fights a bit shorter. Yeah which I was going to say. Use that isn't it. Yeah so this is something that you go get used to being sick for five. Don't be in on the top end of that scale. Of course you're always used to punch it all but it is difficult to get your distance and and the rain's rights are not all on our. I actually quite enjoy softball. I genuinely enjoy you know sparring and preparing preparing for softballs. Because are they presenting a different angle from my right hand which is Which I enjoy? I've been watching rock. I see that you know he dips. He keeps it low when he brings in with foster jobs in. You know he's up for Tara and stuff but I just don't go in from you know in this one and I'm GonNa be trying to throw different angles Hand Kinda with the fact that he should dip I'll try from now to the facts eventual for city-state. Right hands. You can slip in Canada and stuff like that We look forward to a follow up. You say you'll six for a new kind of changing the angles and change in the high. It works well against seventy six two six three but I'm so much toilet on almost long. Long reach yeah I'll have the region just Able to Kinda keep them keeping my based specialist. He's not really like a comfort. What brought up a good point because even though you're toll your wingspan this huge is that you have to reach? You can use that to get advantage. I was GONNA say about and the new details about going away from home. There was an tall. Shot is a massive risk fighters can freeze here. But you've AH. I don't want old-fashioned career but you've got a real steep learning curve. No boxing for titles. What was it six five dollars? Yeah and it's been it's been a British Commonwealth European picking up a obviously an international on the way as well continental title. Do you think that's going to sink. Jink Pay Jews initials MESA TIME To get to this point one this opponent. I thought there's oversee some you know it would be too early for me at this current stage. I can believe I can be anyone you have to be as well this a hard fight bus while not believe I will win on you know experiences I have gone for Put headline shows before a big crowds. Had the pressure. A Boston and champion was undefeated. Fires have been not one not multi. I'll be in quite a few undefeated fires on so for me Boston. Abroad Boston. Someone's hometown I don't really pay attention to them quite right like I don't WanNa say way by just totally feel anything when I'm on my way to the ring and stuff I'm just very just not What is by? I just feel very calm and comfortable and just walk INS. I don't believe so it wasn't just zone Dan. I don't even come like overly focused Komo dot. I'm just going for a walk in the park. Your just you see. I'm just very just chilled. Obviously a Pfizer is a different thing. But I don't feel nervous. Just this is why I have to let me get done John Me and so I do. I do look forward to it because I feel like this one. There's one might be even more recognition. You know we're good British when the end Wednesday as a Welsh haven't been WHO's only legitimate. He lost his does it so getting richer dot com magnitude as much as I form an awful will get a little bit of respect. He wanted a ones. Ah Over seas by a I mean obviously GLIVEC is coming off a bad loss against British. Not Bad but he was winning that fight he was controlling. and that's what braced I. That's why British put Air Boeing. Because he was getting frustrated with the way Lawrence's approach in a fight. It's red isn't it for five because no boxes as we know in the news. Well we're sensitive souls and we're very superstitious and we love things our own way. We can throw up. Altos out the problem. But you don't seem seen that way if you take the fight to almost blase if you like about this title fight and you've got to go away from home and a lot of people would maybe not fancied up you. You seem to almost be happy and that is gonNA. That's possibly go that way. Yeah but I mean for me. I think I wouldn't be foods in an old with you. Know the both Donate this file Awadallah bunks this place or this personal Very much I believe we win the fight so as long as I. I believe that would fall into place slot so levers hair all in another country. I watched this guy and I believe I will be so. Aw aware is just as long as I get the victory and also the cruiser was. It was a time and you got him on the New Orleans. The criminal division was uh-huh overlooked because the middle super middleweight. So I think you're really good heavyweight or we rely heavyweight and there was no interest in the cruiserweight division when it first came on the scene calls deleo and dig as Resp- Marvin fighters as good as all these guys give Lee Roy Murphy. All these guys laws could really only started getting excited when probably when we started talking to David as in the end zone macaroni. GOP straight straight. Do it was the world boxing. Supersede that really set it on fire but he was a Michael Huggins. Juvenilia people can give Jones and and there was some real. Yes yes it was really fart jokes. The golden era of the heavyweights was the seventies. For sure. They will also know your your wait. Wait with child and he could punch guys. And and that's what the cruiserweight division it's sort of like the old fashioned heavy division but obviously you you excited. Because there's been a transitional period where it's obviously hooks moved up again and moved out of the way and now you're in real division with young is coming through yourself yourself and also a few of the staff edge steadfast champion still there. Don't think top of the tree. Everything's about timing on upcoming a a good time. You know I've got my sprint quite quickly. took time with some of the Heavyweight champions are still are still. Oh good incredible. But it's the point West. Does you INVICTA and lot hunger the spirit. That's the kind of criminals pace. I don't know I guess Burns. You know what I mean skimming stuff but you know only to find out how you get in there and have a goal unless there's a nice refreshing to fund to be not just 'cause you hear the last week and and no east at his level domestic level belittle take the risks of undefeated fighter after defeat if I didn't no old fighters like me and got criticized modified where they looking for the easiest route to the to the quickest success and that's understandable. But you know it's like Kalita net dot offerings you could if you speak to Eddie management etc.. A Lotta Times. They tried to pull back. Maybe wait one or two before the British. Why not before this I got this? Let me in I'M GONNA handle it so I that's helped me in the amateurs to get to the Olympics taste fights to also you know win the south of one now with today. Say God within the next few months I'm fifteen and all of bin. Kamal British unified European and world champion and sixteen knows maybe another unification so it's It's because of the steps to take the risk dominant to take a pass now kind of allows me to be his position. Ever know what you can in a chief for risk if you take easy road then you just be that fire that tried to navigate. I mean everybody notable cracks me up one guy one time you know Gerry's about fighting right fights and I'm not even in for anybody. I got fight someone. I you go that way you know if you can find but but the problem is you can get to. We'll talk fights now here for paying the system. Yeah Yeah and and I think that the fact that people that Lawrence and a few of this not just on your own. We'll we'll want to test themselves to get there. We'll saw help the the health of the spoiled. Because then it means that the best you've learned Gerard rather than played the system to get the ranking to get to the top. You picked up the Continental Derby continental talk which give big rankin but obviously beaten your European being champion and British champion and the old fashioned way. Trust me you'll fashion reeves on British European. And now hopefully we'll talk with. Oh you know speaking British the British crew religion. It doesn't as well and I'm enjoying watching. I'm What I was just hunting over? You know what I mean. I looked and I said that it's GonNa be exciting in common years. Obviously I'm going to be on top of it. I May that was kind of oversee delivered. Not by good to see people like Richard Lost Meat. You know the on Jemma Crispin and Smith You know they wouldn't are doing nothing and some people don't even know about. I know about the bobbling on the scene just waiting for the opportunity to step up. How'd you feel no because as a professional you'll you've been doing chasing titles and chasing names now even though you're still doing that dabble y'all been hunted? It's only about ball depends on the time so obviously Those books are. I don't know if you remember. Museum is is a chamberlain. who used he could fight? So I I remember you know. Buildings Defy is because the similar stuff that you know the GMO Damages People WanNa tach their name to you without fighting new so that they can sue appea- bank off of it and I'm not talking about even about high pumping about opportunity so for example. I'm going to British title. If you don't WanNa have to have lots of hard on reduce you quote out the champion to skip all those vice and getting so the similar kind of thing people can see mandate for a well. I'm not going to defend the walk. So what they'll do is let me turn out in these knives. And then thou be my institutional which is another way to navigate without having to have the hot fire so as to be expected because British box in history as a lot of us we made up of domestic ovary will level. So if you've got a guy like say a a big fight we talk about the C reactive. He's got a high rate in ages when the title of course if he gets a high ranking and it gets if VIC transferred to the WTO for instance then East thing in about a big domestic title fight against you which was obviously in your pocket and you can understand that even if he has maybe God uh-huh steal your route one hundred hundred and that's all part of the game so I've got my own personal goals while title unification's set draw. Aw But this is a sport wherever it is through. Tom Abandoned. It doesn't always go all the way you want it to go so I might say okay. He win the WBZ next fine WB. Asian one nine okay. Cool well cheaper sees. They need to fight not belts but sometimes negotiations don't work time doesn't want he doesn't WanNa find you. Don't fight I mean so then. That's when the apples and you know the gym is not. If if they've shown credibility now becomes and you could do one space of hype about ready to get the rankings have ranked will it is now. Richard is the only one. I'm not doing it. Cool he's having closed level. He's gotTa right in. He's being undefeated veit fires so when he says his opportunities he's taking on of the media in Nano he's not taking thinking they say what you want about him. You know Dion was supposed to fight not blown up his. He was nominated to Phi Chris. billups finger style. Chris wiggins said to him Ill Can we postpone deters bids us. It's gone final half he sits Gary. Chris gave me what what is happening. I said it's not happening to us on the line. They made up for the The current temple. Yes come home twice. Amazon's Christo current professor and we'd love to fly and the good thing about all you your to them to step up and I totally agree because deals English champion European champion so there is a golf in that deal necessarily powerfully some without on the road to this English NBA. I've been is is it even even in not so much. Oh okay also holiday could awesome. Do Not just people listening to Gary Train Steele. Who has a big fight? This is twenty five. Yeah you know it professionals over Listen listen I'm not looking for SAM. Hi I'm Paul some highly offer the great fire it should be on. TV is a big fight it should be on TV. And I'll just know that both guys that come into win and I think my guy covers is a lot more basis than some those go to prove. Sam's bisness fought riot. Police Bean and my biggest deal and a good fight. I've known you for Awhile. Levy Levy fan is sometimes but he has a big punch. He hasn't left hand in particular. Sometimes you rely on that and not create will suffer because of it and I think that could be a factor actor and I'll send him Texas morning and he has a responding to be annoyed watching sparring over the loss camps. I I would beg to watch that on finite I would beg to watch a plan to show me what you've been showing US sparring and that's what matters but the thing is it's sped people don't realize how difficult it is to transfer what you do inspiring two nights because there's so many other factors in play inspired more relaxed and comfortable in the glimpse at everything's different than conflict. It's different pressure making everything. Remember nine nine five. And get rid of the O'Brien for the bridge. I'm looking brilliant. Inspiring eleven eleven to and Jimmy tibbs looked at me and bashed up a few sparring partners but not horribly not like Tyson Ivy Schoff and go out and Jimmy. Let me when my buddy ain't gal issue you can do it and be strong. And of course she was a camp and then cut to a couple of weeks later and you just go get those last else few pounds off and you think in the game plan is to take this guy. Layer shave can go late out swinging of uniform thinking now the game and I'll just went from the game plan kit trying to swing and then eventually stopped me because I'll just fatigue lots of variety. Did well another interest in fact you got he was obviously Joe. Gal is going to be in the other call and and even the fight is dion and Sam but it's also a little saw a side bet. Isn't that Kotei. What's against Jim? Gallagher fashioned you know I'm not listening Nicolo with Freddie Roach and he's now man ain't about me. I love what I do. I love what I do. I Love Coaching name out there to to to put any more significance on it. I don't think John Does if if he doesn't business for me. It's not it's about my firearm of guys FIS. Nobody's is known and made them advise and that is my room as coach is just to make my fire. A bit cannot when he comes to me cannot make. It was seven months ago. And that's my roommate's because Joe Joe will try to affect Sam on that night. Sam has to perform tried to affect deal on let not. Shane tries to affect him on that night. Yeah and we do not believe in what do a five year but Mickey Duff sits one Greek thing to me. I'm a great guitar really excited. I'M GONNA go get my manager. Mickey I WANNA go across America. I WanNa be with any fortune. Maybe we'll go with this coach. Gary calm down. He goes off. See more fires. Make coaches seeing coaches. I was just saying I've just wanted to say that you make on name your. I'm glad you said that I think a good trainers with weight in gold the fight that makes a trainer everytime which which goes over to you know law and this would be a third fight with Shane. Hose that being dot two five t to successful. It's better was the transition from chain changed from training. Few from our coaches that you have is this the right fit few. Now if you fall fallout as you never know what's GonNa Happen. I thought I I enjoy this system that operates me so I'm very confident. Passan moving myself anyway. So as as I said it's always difficult matches. So he's very competitive against other coaches Jagan coming from so when I say I'm going to be getting champion. The next law WANNA go for the world title. He'll take me not. Oh you just WANNA okay. Well I was looking at the unification match. So they're not not kinda sober. Mice will personality matches well. Because I'm always like hungry for the next thing to have someone that's not telling me owner so that would kind of hold me back especially these energy attracts energy when you're not on the same energy left on the same wavelength you know. And that's what I say to. The only fighters are available from the guys that nobody knew in amateurs went on Newton. Emma saw something something in them. Therefore I'm GonNa Make Mandarin and I'm GonNa make other fires respect Yuppie once. They an icee today much him buy vying to buy into what I'm telling you you know and also inspiring. I want you to come up with an idea when you say Gary Ron Welcome so now main. So what is the most you want to train the new tactically intelligent enough to give you. The right plan is chemistry. The most important thing trainer or fighter or knowledge. Both what would you say one or the other would have nonni. I agree I feel like I have a chemistry is only good. If not as as you know coal you have to have the knowledge to know. Mafia just needs to from punches or just just needs to slip. We'll just needs to have all the chemistry to get in our custody. It's wasted knowledge if you're just like oh well card but then the top the FBI shot at that. That is something that needs to be spoken to or vice versa or some people only spoke to any so if you have the knowledge of the way to gay foods the fights that's all it's a waste all lost knees nowhere you'll fires capability so fromo punches. But they're not the type of our that can come on their show. Those punches is a waste of knowledge. Jillian coming from so you kind of have to have a balance between the two. So that's what I like about Shane and so was on. But you never asked me to do stuff. I don't actually wants to D G Get home from so high might be capable of jazz income out of But in my own mind and I don't WanNa do it. Minority takes about energy or take a process. But it's always. It's time yeah has to you a- and knowing how to get as I said I know what I'm lacking a call why won't be spoken to or independence situations we spoke about. Look at that have happened and it never happened but we've already had discussions in could not down. Yeah I mean dancers boxin. I'm not down several people so I always ask myself. Okay if as a pro diapers me. What what's this will will Rich but doctors me has points taken off such point taking about so. Do I now chase the point point in that round. We'll do I say you know that says so. There's lots of different stuff as much as we look at my my thing. I don't know I'm Dan I'm not Tonkin. round-by-round calculate between people not not just a physical hundred percent like okay. Not and he's very mature they go on to the INS and outs points are Kinda know. Okay how my feeling fitness wise. How's the going up to this point? What's the game I'm uncut? Do I feel like I have enough to push that game. We'll do change and go this way. So that's one thing. I I personally like with Shane. He's very adaptable. And he he kinda he kinda knows because he's that day in day out. What kind of but for me? It's about from him and he's able to deliver with him. Experiences breath it experience in on Move Him Franson experience experience. Nobody knew Shane was made champ. Frampton a champion of in the league champion. The world's best February in onced Shane's name and and that's what happens in getting. So what was it goes back to. The fire. May chains brings night because everybody would have said. I didn't move David. David was caught me. Snake as Communist. Adam move as done at time again. You May George grows. Wait and reach anti made Ryan Burnett champion. He made he's made numerous law is woke lost but he's made them champion. East helped the fulfil because they got talent mentality. So I don't think he would have been a champion wherever they write the chances new huge there is that maybe as confident as you do not mean so. It's about the coach helping them. Come out themselves moves. Eating the difference is you said you can't scream at certain certifies knocking give him a slap other fires. Sation Listen Megan show you you know cause some FIS FIS and they say they dropped the right time on the job for instance and see it so as a commentator I see see it and I mentioned it but I know as a trainer. You would know you're in you're in the guys corner you've seen it. I know you must've told him over straightened out when you fight just can't do thing. Even if it's simple mo the habit all just a lifetime habit or whatever it is and and for the liberal many US can again to change range enough to tie that you ever voted. Don't see where you go and try and get him going. Listen if he's fought on a really good leftover Ernie drops his back. I'M GONNA get moving through his left. Does this work on your strength. Of course always much which I'm afraid to say this just in case you reach over those giant Agios were can you weaknesses of course. Of course seventy. I'm saying Dan but what I do is yeah you know but still ought to start goods. That kind of towns so I know for example. clincher so. I've been working a lot on. There's enough Jujitsu of mixed martial arts sports so it's not just holding so I look back at yes I look back for example Twenty eighteen I post Chamberlain asking in that year and that was upholding Odin by now at least effective because I realized Fasano reading this is Although sometimes I might not WanNa move my feet the whole time. Did you come from two to take distance detail punching people off me but now with this article complex off my chest becomes. We'll grapple game blah blah blah. So I looked to enhance it. Light so for example is that different sports in Welcomed on different tactics mindsets. Let's not knowing not cool stay focused. That's what I was going to be for four rounds except John. I mean this is physically. Gaza graduates getting their chest. That's okay we've accepted that what to do next saw. Welcome this all the time. I know I'm physically strong DOT com. Osborne completely naive. If if you know where can you. One hundred percent on I four even welcoming trump's and the stuff that I do well naturally is natural so as we said physical Stra Punching the hard just have an actually kind of movement and I don. I really honestly wish don't see often the nightclub. Nobody can not something personal upsets me in Boston. It's Kinda China exactly so it's Kinda like one of those. I set my witnesses. I'm trying to welcome them over. Get Away with the straps. I have June. I'm saying so so you can move. You know you could get on the balls your feet and you could be more effective the movement. But they're not that takes away from the tall so you know it's it's given Tapu all of your strength to gain seventy nine working on undefeated. World middleweight champion generally recognizes forty forty one of the top five middleweights world in world history. Nice Fuller it was awful. It was good enough to put them in positions where they get close to getting Grefe and sometimes they've not not really I should say but he would win. Guy Was undefeated. The woman who at trump opened what it is. It's just getting the win. And the w the most important thing you know one event which grabbed headlines. This week was the press conference for Walden and fury to both flights is predicted the rematch. We'll have an exclusive ending account. Remember bigger heavyweight fight in a long time maybe be Lennox Lewis. I Mike Tyson was the last big flight this that was the last. US UK showdown. The for the first time. I'm in my boxing career. I don't need to sell us. Fight people know what they're gonNA get says exactly what it says on the ten. You're going to get a good fight wherever I think. Consensus is ivory knocks me. I wouldn't appoint multiple going around. I have a theory. Yeah win some point so while the winds by Ko and usually when people have the opinion usually goes the opposite way around so yeah expect wild come out boxing and moving locking points victory and expect me to come out and looking for or knockout deontay wilder have been returning my calls or messages or texts sensib team. Last time. He tried to keep his distance. He didn't want to due press conferences with me. It doesn't really matter what I say. And what wilder says it all mattis. What happens on the night February twenty-second what's going to happen on? Not Not now is. I'm going to get what I won't last time. I'm going to get greenbelt. I'm also going to get the ring magazine on. I'm also going to Kate. My Lineal Championship. Ed We all know rematches on. I'm always sharp because I've been in there with them before. Understand what they're capable of doing what they're planning on doing a web and what and what they did in the fighting I take away from that and bring it to account for me so I'm prepared more than ever for this. I'm knocked him out. The first time I told for every two years ago I was going to baptize him. An idea that you know rising rising up as part part of the baptism. I told you he was gonna go tim and he did but this time around. It's a different story. This time around around. This is called unfinished business. This time you won't be able to get up and says he's in wwe and we'll make sure he go right out to ring. And I might get on the top of the book and other rope. Come Down with a flying elbow kick. Who knows well? The first flight was an exciting fan. I'm sure the second one is going to be just as exciting. But I think the Laura headlines here guys is the fact that fury no longer Ben Davidson. I Know Ben took a lot of criticism of John Fury. Tyson's father after the wall all in fights and what you make of that Gary Relationships La Everybody's get shocked. They they are relationship and it's it just hasn't worked out for various reasons. tosses said that the reason why he got with Julie Hilden new coaches that thinks he can he believes we should go here. We can knock water out whereas with Davidson the oversee four. He couldn't take a different style. Stoller really helped a few in the first one tactically take on Fox two moves and kept touching eamon. You only ended up looking at one Pfizer and this time guy move. What if you really believes in what he's saying? He's a real dangerous. It's a risk that came up but there's no logic you don't punch puncher nevermore opt against some wild crazy these crazy and I think this comes out with you gotta take with the Guy may well. I don't think we've ever British file that has been so good again in finance heads klitschkos normally normally in arable. He's just snuffing. David tried everything. Nothings into what when they four and fury really good and he said and of course involved in the training camp for the first while the fight fight and how good is when you're in the ring with him. I'm not as good slack. You can see you know what I mean. The Senate be. Also he's going to use. His physical is consider match to Leans back you know news. Both ways really athletic on his feet though he might not have six pack and all that. He's very athletic. I mean in his own way just natural boxing. And you might. You couldn't do any of the spokane been boxing. You feel good in the images yet and he was that good. I watched him drop price. I send us that good carried a lot more than he's always been a good move or do think though that that especially this late the fact that changed trainers affect the fact. I've changed before. Is I really feel good At some point you you just. I didn't do it all the time. So He's been in of While we've been hasn't full bench to him by now is either more to the to the game and he's just naturally up and down side Bravo counterparts and so if this it needs to keep them so fresh and like happy then by all means we'll probably and the nucleus of the team is strong and Eli one former world middleweight champion. And you can live on and Yeah we love the fact man. He's lost free fights including including he's opponents with ninety four and one on here Ritchie and kept himself in a lot of we had an issue when he when he went to against carbon lunatics have had. It couldn't happen to one of the world's nicest people bought steely edge to him and he won't take any crap from ties. He's a really good coach. I always said that any disrespect to his books and ability often. He's coaching a bit. He's going to Paul. He was as far. I really do believe that he's got. He's got really good. Patty Donovan yes. I've seen yet eighty good fine. You know Andy's He's learnt so much Shuna game. He's being managed to it and being Vadym. Adam Bouvier rounded around here and I don't think he's really good for few in his campaign. I think you keep them under rain. What name get bit too high talk you know and also talk about change trainers and we have the Owns Josh Taylor. Obviously chained in the in the same with the same train as you. Shame a big. And they've eight hundred parted ways. What do you make them all Yeah obviously he was good as in I came to campus Lou. Welcome I mean we. We went on. GBD's became friends. I wish them the best and then obviously now changed a little bit more extra time in maybe five minutes on the patio I'd also speaking of camps you've been account with adult all the best heavyweights and let's be honest with Joshua and fury. But you Dave you take him when he two times ever a few times. Yeah spoiled really good money to watch him. They just leave the gym for a while. It doesn't Miss About Anthony. Anthony Davis Dave could hurt you trying you know I mean I often wonder what would have happened. Aj and David Haye without that shoulder injury because Davis Ryan was something else it really was the first everyone. Don't they was up and after they have the next person I want him back the next really adamantly cold it was one about an extent. What are you for real estate and I still next days when you saw the film? Do Walter Brave. Yeah uh-huh exactly and that's what Tyson has just keep him alone. You got the ability to keep this guy long and many. Mr He's chance of hitting you but if you get in his range and start swinging with him. That's where he's timing comes into uncanny timing and it's unpredictable predictable German and it's two people that don't know what they're looking at. They don't give it the craziest deserves because only the snap you once and you'll go you so you can be yourself guy but you know of your huge punchy you is going to say. Is that the David. Hey you're the weekend we were talking about Wilde at how are we didn't learn from the first Luis Ortiz fighting but he didn't see that David Hale obviously being a big punch it himself that reserved energy because he knew that he could hurt him when he called him. And I for me. It'd be an ultra boxer passing the real thing just game just an old Rome's go by just having so much confidence when you connect you will knock him out if you connect and you've spent your whole life just touching people with that hand and the guy in Oval. Yeah yeah as we said earlier only with the exception of the return fire as the only the two of them for us given that those are the only two that I have had a head at the time of the stoppages spill. All these guys weren't as good as him will. Only you didn't autism way bitten all needed and they all got gene. 'cause I'm saying you. Yeah but then David The punch. Obviously you're taking it on T.. Saying does he did. He just might be smart. If at the end of this movement to get the range what would you. I am a lot bigger punches David Hale or has Wildly is. I'm just Okay Punch and I'm saying I guess just actually punching if I hit someone team I have enough after them and I can get stoppage by these guys hit you once and then you'll go and I folded. Im a good pun job. Yeah Dem's off all the different mindset so I know I'm always thinking about winning the fight so I have to win this round just in case it does go of volume of Pontiac. So I'm I don't I don't go into. This is a August. Yes so as I can punch while I never go in thinking this is one by stoppage but whereas if you if maybe we'll have to just a little bit more power where you you get used to it and training so there's Times I've been sparring thinking boom number sparring partner don novel. She go into thinking this was going to happen. And if it happens opens every time off. Okay this is this is how Walson goes and that's happened but sometimes you do come on. Stop because you've been doing that and now all of a sudden there was someone who you can get off when you hit them there still starting and then there's what after Promo Punch and done in training so you can't change these. He's format a little bit after the Cultus five because he just forgets turn up from call. Because he'd seen palm we'll call and get get total company and visit he's sitting ringside and he wrote saw and he realized that this guy wins because he takes what you've got and comes back to be honest if there was anyone but cal Thompson was getting stock. Used the new ocal retain thinks Calvin is that when he got ready from by the time before moment now he's volume of punches was much he become a body punch. You realize that that especially because it was a lot more short and still trying to crack Humid Ryan's over top was wasn't GonNa win early because he's just going to keep shoving ahead found that she down down into a Nike. You'RE GONNA end up in skull bone breaking round. So Yeah it's pretty concert boy. which meant a bit more volume? Do you think. That's A. That's a factor for wall the body. Though the truth I mean it sounds easy but what is very tool and allusive so. It's not as easy as I'm going. The fruit bodies on talented at the same time in the corners not meeting watched him versus. They never did that. He just constantly on the move on. Because you know when your father you know he in that with so you know. I'm never bothered up the ropes problem. So he's GonNa walk he's He. He wants to win the fight. He's not GonNa make stupid stupid mistakes unless he's forced into it and obviously the winner this will say the number one in the world just been in his belt at the three belts back is is he the best heavyweight in the world right now Joshua number one is he number one number one baby perception because these guys obviously while they say and this is for the best in the world and Josh for me I thought it was a fantastic performance disciplined. Box Really. Well maybe he wasn't the fight that people people hoping he was going to box but I think he did the right thing for the opponent. The win we've just given him such a hard time because of the ruins. Defeat the manner of the rue is defeated but the fact that he came back and boxes showed us that could box. It could be that disciplined and box in that manner says a lot stalls thousand eight five. I honestly see. Aj Given and fury. Lot of trouble. I see few box in for a few rounds but I think I think thank to know something about me. We've AJ tells me if he fought few IBI APP you would be wilder. And because he it'd be the old Tasha going right truly truly believe that we've wanted level of risk but then. Aj showed me really good jab in a ruse fight which would really undo what it does. It wouldn't let while to say as well so many intangibles. I mean it's really good Erin. Everybody Division. It's good that we're too but this suspected of release. It was one of the biggest. It's not the biggest upset last year. He's kind of packet. Indulging that's GonNa come to fruition saw how many minutes he made about about some people the ANC manic some people it's not about money it's about money. Semantic desire to still I mean. How much money must manny back here with me? Now You Oh yes fifty two hundred. Yeah you know. He still has a manic desire to fight. The best is out. And that's something that's that's an intangible that the man that's counting pennies is about it anymore. It's about legacy suggests about a way of life but they won't give up that way life each you think probably overachieved win the no one given a chance in hell of getting. Let's be honest. Maybe thinking I've this is the money that I never thought I did. I took three belts. Avi Joshua golden boy in boxing say non. So you know I was. I was in new. I five because I obviously I went to said you know. I'm GonNa Take Dean Richardson. WHO's getting ready for solving area? Talk Shop No talk show. Talk Show is vacant Bacon and we said Yeah. Let's go to New York. Sparked gleason everything and all the coaches in Kuzin mkaku bleak cockle bleak. Who Coached Great Guzman Join Amongst many and he helped coach Judah that it's just got knows boxing. And he said man he said don't sleep on this ruse his hands Egos He. Don't look the Paul. He goes by punches. Don't sleep on his hands twenty four hours a feat which is also called the hands of really good. You know as I said you know. He got the big the house now. He's got he's family all say he's not stupid movies money desiring. I'd obviously obviously the heavyweight division. We had all the money is. Yeah yeah the next question for you when when when you answer I need to be Won't increase weight so that I think the biggest is yet so in all honesty. I don't WANNA be Unified champion talking rocking the gate and say hey you see that one day no thanks see that one yes please jumps yes. Oh yeah definitely I mean as my cell phone I can compete without any heavyweight states. Hifi Lavar heavy blackoput live had good wars in the gym by different on fighting that jumps and so she'd have have to ease into it. Went on say top dog. Oh yeah definitely I mean okay. If you're doing what the current crop no g young Michael would often be safe here my job I mean. He's he's a good father. Minimal Soi in this bill to this then you also got down to violence biography boxing. Joe Scarborough Yeah. Yeah I'M GONNA find a way to be left to happen. John Osborne. Both of those guys are not so beautiful. And it's because you got one guy you can punch one guy who looks like he can walk walls you could pick a soclean thunderball has what was one of the hardest punishing I I've been inevitable. Spot lots of people people. Yeah he's definite. Go part but on Joe Joyce is one of the hardest working Basel been so whoa you to enjoy and phenomena says he was one of the best amateur fights I've seen was in felts alleged Eh. Southwest like southwest tips fight and it was Nick Webb Joe. Joyce on the three rounds it just punch the it was unbelievable. I couldn't believe it didn't fall. Asleep is that is that signed Soudan delivered Dubois and joy. I think he's officially along. It's GonNa Happen. It's GONNA also questions about bunk for them also questions. Ah For me personally and said this Adam chats about these funds. I've said Joyce goes as far as his Chin will allow heavyweight. He's not the most elusive guy. He will out work. He buys said if you're out working someone that means your your head's on centerline. Most of the time you know and one thing to do is walk Iraq. He's spiteful seventy we're going to look forward to close lotuses. Third Fighters Approach was on the caliber. Gun The cat and the Sheffield returns to the ring on February eighth. Dominic and gold. Toe does this week. He refer cal fights when fifty four from though he's going to make one four seventy make it and he's got to be the right fine. I think that the fight talking game is calling. If you can do that. KOMO's buffing won't five four is the way he's going to be comfortable out ways to take too much off for the weights and He's GonNa have something in the tank so aw February. The eighth we'll see how the fight goals see performances like how he feels and then take it from there whether he thinks he can bite onto one four seven sticky Montlucon or is this a stepping stone fights or one could give worries on the ninth steppingstone five. Because you know less five was supposed to be stepping stone just a tick over job because it took kitty confides. A softball is ambitious from Boston or seen in live a few times. A compulsion name. The Brazilian economy can dig a little bit and he very very missed opportunities younger than CAL. Time to shine a little bit and maybe looking at coming to bit faded coming to the end of his career. Maybe it's my time now to step. Pope is from. I think he's from the same promoters. Andrade Kelly's he's being for that fight somewhere down the line move knows so it's not a Gimme as far as concerned. It's tough tough night in front of his own crowd and he's got to make up for the last time you took. If the right fight came Kelsen and self he can make it back down so long full civil. There's a tough fight to one seven. If he does make it. Make It Down William Weld tight some and being comfortable with the way to what would it be better served looking at fifty. Well well you know the guys that won't be the foreign agents as well. You're not I mean there's some killers it that way so use a case of in boxes about timing. Especially the you've got to find your way through the minefield so You know the potential and we will be looking for the easy option. That's what we're looking for you got to do. And so we measures up You know I'd like to see him. Fight Fi maybe our Tony Harris one of the guys that Charles is be maybe denny so just to see way multiple to them it can probably be made I think he's going to need this and a number one before we actually should commit itself to jump in into all because he's been out for such a long time when he was in his twenties late twenties didn't Mattie route twelve months but pass the three hundred four eight can be vital knowing you know what you've got left in the tank so we look forward to February seaways got left the decision for the rest of the year. Uh cautious sounds coming from the the voice. Say That Duncan England. Gatty what you make them. Well I think he knows COPAN ooh US senator. Obviously we've we've heard stories of in on Kahlil just not being able to apply himself in the gym as much as as as don would like him into the world called near. He's much near the end of his career is the beginning. And then then I think he's just letting known publicly that to Nuku CONFI and buckle down. Do you think this is your thing if you're the win but the performance is important. The former should be good because the last performance wasn't good work so you know to to to performances on the trump. Any future is going to be. You know put on the backburner just not happen. Do you think there's a worry day with no because you are too bad eye. Injuries obviously got off gin in and that will spend that there might be a little bit over-cautious approach not someone from dominate. But also from cal score if you saw clergy. Hasn't it has Canadian mini Eddie's face re titanium pool yeah so You a long long life off your boxing career and if he's thinking that way then you know then anything. I mean. This guy. Don't thumbs right on to confide he's GonNa come to find not coming over here just to make the numbers. He's on a really good run on North American votes in federation Super Super Welterweight. Talking he's stock lost to our free very so chasing the money not the glory anymore you get to that stage. I think he is getting to that stage now. The right yeah yeah exactly at least someone sincere right this fine you get these big money fight. Then he's not Matt Ryan. He has a narrow because he hasn't got no e Ping lots of attention. ooh You haven't really got some of the credit. I think going away from home show in politics. He proved that would be a fighter. Now isn't he said no since the cal defeated all over them uh of a full of brilliant display and spends much of even there Bryan to the in dumfries at Tau Awin while he was still punching and even even talking. At least. I'm up for now. I say how good Spence Spence brings out the best in fires. That's the best. Kilbride I've ever seen was again spence. Each gresh singles via Disney's sophistication poor. I've ever see against Spence. So that's the level that spence is brought and these guys and we we were fortunate to witness it speaking of levels. Obviously we know one of his former G. bt. Just Kelly is rumored the box refacing David in next match. VSBN thank okay got you. You've been invested because because you both of very well and do you think Josh needs more consistency in the ring. Yeah just you know. I've never watched him SPA. What should fine? And he's head movement is as good as any any British Arava vaccine is the ability to make you miss bought a dumping. He's got the consistency with that goes with countering. And that's what I'd love to Z.. He's got such good hidden he could slip in or outside of your job and still counts you and we don't see that consistency and sometimes it's like he wants to look good providence. Good NASA big. Yeah good point not truly believe though if he does apply. Because that's what we've seen in the Railroad Winston Phi Phi. He just had recently. They were pockets Of Judge Kelley looking world walls but the world class size from world close to elite they consistent and you know I and I think that he's going to be a hybrid off a coffin. Ricky Hatton. Wow what find that. The yeah I'm going to need a treaty. Believe he's got. Billy is just apply as low as what was in the squad. There seems really really talented. On Fi I talked to I mean can make One by him the IPHONE when I was that I go that he's good looking guy. Yeah so I fought hits this guy. He's done the newseum hit but he's not really tough line really goes for it so that's not always use. He's going to be a confided so I'm excited about. He's that's where people don't give him the credit he's tough and and someone could helps selling but some people resentful that because they don't aspire to that it's not something they and also and your turf until you prove time this is and you know what he's a tough but he's a really really nice kid a really as a kid is grown is go kid zone. He's a nice man a a good man you know he's loyal and I wish everything about the best. All I would say you know if I was on the outside and didn't know him and I'll say it is tweets face more consistency agency. When you make some Amiss on free or four shots then move your at adding encounter again? 'cause you certainly got footwork. And he's got a hand speed and ability to do it is just doing it consistently. Let's hope it's a big issue for him. The big if you Lawrence. That's all we got to this week. I'm afraid thank you for coming on got. He's been a pleasure absolutely great to see humaid. Hope there's GonNa be a fight them much master twenty eight and few listening. Thank you very much and we'll see you next week.