Thursdays Houston Matters: Why The Chinese Consulate Was Closed, And An American History Do-Over (July 23, 2020)
Well Tis the season. Wet weather and the threat of flooding is headed our way this weekend. Courtesy of a tropical depression that may soon be confirmed as tropical storm Anna. I'm Craig. Cohen Today on Houston matters the latest word from the national. Weather Service on the potential for significant rainfall across greater Houston Friday and throughout the weekend also this hour we dig into why the trump administration suddenly ordered Houston's Chinese consulate closed and what it means for. For Houston in terms of security and trade a local international studies expert weighs in then in American History Oh. Ver- imagine no statues, no monuments history books in museums blank canvases, who are the figures from American history? You'd like to see featured more prominently. Let us know at talk. At Houston Matters Dot Org plus socializing a socially distant world through video games and planning a performing arts season when you can't guarantee the audience first this hours news. Good Morning. This is Houston matters I'm. Craig Cohen coming up the latest on the Chinese consulate closure and a storm headed our way also in American history, do over socializing socializing and a socially distant world through video games and planning a performing arts season, when you can't guarantee an audience, but I we say hello to news eighty, eight seven Eddie Robinson, who's here with the latest Covid, Nineteen News and other developments in Greater, Houston. Houston Good Morning. Eddie Good Morning Craig in new covid nineteen hospitalizations in the Houston area continue to slow down the Texas Medical Center had five percent fewer patients on Tuesday than they did at the same time last week, but even with that slight easing Caseload Craig the Medical Center is well in a face to search plan. TMZ officials report one thousand, one hundred fifty five deaths. Deal the virus here in the Houston area. Yesterday during oppressor, local health officials say they're hearing accounts from workers who think that they have covert nineteen, still being told to come into work until results come back that the test results positive cities leading health. Authority Dr David. Purse responded to those reports saying he doesn't recommend businesses. Take that route. Reminding employers that test results do have lag time in that. If someone thinks they're infected, it's best to just wait until those results turn up negative and that person isn't sick. Alright, statewide more and more patients. KRUEGER STARTING TO USE UP A. A lot of states hospital capacity eighty-one percent of Texas. Hospital beds are currently in use. Nineteen percent of beds are used by cove at thousand nine patients right now. Nearly ten thousand nine hundred Texans are in the hospital for Covid nineteen. Now let's talk about the death. Now. Over forty three hundred Texans have passed away due to the virus and just yesterday alone. State health officials added nearly two hundred deaths to that total, but health authorities are reporting that cross Texas nearly two hundred thousand patients have been recovering from the virus Greg. Thank you very much Ed. News Idiots Sevens Eddie Robinson. Let's dive further now. Into the sudden closure this week of the Chinese consulate here in Houston the trump administration's decision seemingly out of the blue order it close to. Protect American intellectual property in Americans private information coupled with video of documents, being burned in the consulate's courtyard, sparked renewed speculation about whether how and where the Chinese government might be spying in Houston and other questions why it's just the consulate here and not in, Say New York or La that's being closed. And what does this all mean for an already fractured and declining trade relationship Dr Hans? Stockton is an expert on Chinese relations and a professor and chair of International. Studies at the University of Saint Thomas Dr Stockton, Good Morning Welcome to the program. Good Morning. Thank you for having me on. Do we know anymore about why? The Chinese consulate was ordered closed this week here in Houston. Well in the last twenty four hours there have been some published reports indicating a more localized act well accusations of more localized espionage efforts. Related to the Texas medical, center. As well as an incident recently at Intercontinental Airport. obviously the this fits into the broader trump administration. Push back against China in so many different ways. And as I understand the Justice Department released an indictment on Tuesday against a pair of suspected Chinese hackers, alleging that they targeted American companies conducting covid nineteen research while we can't necessarily say that's a directly connected to this move here. We do have a a number of area hospitals. And health organizations that are conducting that kind of research Houston Methodist Baylor, College of Medicine Utm Galveston. They're all doing that work. But so do medical researchers all across the country so again a. why do you think maybe it's the focus is here in Houston? Well there there are a couple of factors that I don't think Most of us are all that privy to particular detail. one is more sensational in that is hard evidence that the consulate here in Houston in particular was serving as a hub for espionage and a influence operations So that's that's certainly would be one signal, but as well and and less sensational is the very orderly world of the see normally, and that is if you're going to send a diplomatic message like this, you don't want. Want to necessarily start with the New York office or the La Office you find consulate of of the different type of certain scale size to send the signal, because we should certainly expect to have very soon. The Chinese retaliation and we don't want them closing our Shanghai consulate or or some other You know particular consulate in so expecting that retaliation. Then we start at a lower level so to speak and we don't lose bigger pieces of our own in China have we heard anything from the Chinese government thus far? You know at this point I've yet to discover much. Although there is a great deal of speculation in China and Chinese media that the chump to American Consulate. Would be the most likely closure. Is it common for the Federal Government to order the closure of the consulate. Does this come up? Very often. Now this this is a very rare circumstance Obviously you've know we've all seen references to the old Cold War. Strategies, but I believe the last time the United States close to foreign consulate was the trump administration and twenty seventeen, closing the Russian consulate in San Francisco, so it's extremely rare I'd believe that is unprecedented and US China relations since the opening of relations in Nineteen, seventy nine. Is it typical to see a in such? A circumstance files burned like we saw a video of in the Chinese consulate. Well. Certainly, if you, if you only give someone seventy two hours to vacate the premises, you know the the the notion that this this is a particular Chinese tactic That's a bit overblown. consulates anywhere in the world that feel they cannot safely remove information from the physical space. would be burning those documents as well and. When the announcement comes about which American Consulate in China will be closed we certainly might see the same kind of response. I mentioned trade. China is still a huge trade partner with the United States billions of dollars. Worth of that trade goes through Houston in fact. China's the second largest trade partner sending goods and services in and out of Houston after Mexico. But these are amounts that we're talking about. That have been declining last couple of years. Could we see retaliation in the form of Reduced Trade Well certainly that that could that that is going. Do I believe Continue If we maintain the current tracks, but whether or not it's directly linked to this particular moment and incident or the broader landscape of US China. Rivalry might also be a little little difficult to to pick apart There will be call it indirect economic consequence because of the disruption, the closure of this consulate, symbol or manifest for the entire South and southeast of the United States all that paperwork. All those visas are not going to be processed right now. and we'll wait to see when those processes might continue, time is money, and and so there's going to be an economic consequence. talking about these accusations of spying being potentially connected to medical research, but Houston is home to A. Of, potentially sensitive targets for spying and hacking, not just medical research, but also energy companies aerospace other industries. Should all of them be on as much alert as ever about their respective efforts to provide security when it comes to potentially sensitive information. Well I think these days all all companies. All entities that have proprietary information should be on on guard constantly, not just against the you know for a particular foreign power, but domestic cyber hacking as well so You Know Medical Center NASA, but then again don't forget right. This consulate serves of you know eight states in the South and southeast region, so Atlanta is a major hub of a of interest From Houston to to Florida so again, we you know it's it's a standard practice. Corporations and entities should just be safe. You mentioned the the potential ripple effects here for folks that would typically need to. Conduct, some business do something received some approvals from the Chinese consulate. Chinese Americans that might want to visit family or friends or something like that. How much of an impact ultimately could this have not just on the Houston area? But as he said the entire South West. Well. That's the that's the sad and human part of this disruption that the closure represents You know folks that have friends family in China here in the US, travel back-and-forth, not just business for business, sake you know, and how and how quickly the Chinese government redirects the thousands of visa applications they receive is is to be seen whether it's through the embassy, or other consulates, and so we'll were we just have to wait to see that we have a question email from high in the height suit wanted to know whether this closure is temporary or permanent. Is that something we would know for sure? At this point in time we we simply don't know that obviously you know. We wanted to be optimistic about diplomatic relationship reopening that consulate would be an important signal at some point, but We're not going to see that anytime soon. given the pattern of of behavior from the trump administration. Dr Hans Stockton is a professor and chair of International. Studies at the University of Saint Thomas Dr Stockton thanks very much. Thank you. We're of course keeping a close eye on that tropical depression that could strengthen into a tropical storm as it heads are way in the coming days. What may become tropical storm Hanna is actually one of two tropical disturbances. The National Weather Service is tracking. To walk through really a little bit of both, but especially what may become Hannah? We're joined now by meteorologist lance would from the National Weather Service's Houston Galveston Office Lance Good Morning. Good Morning Craig, what's the latest word on this system? That's headed our way. Well. We've been watching a tropical depression eight pretty closely since yesterday, as began to get a little bit better organized, and we think that that trend will continue where it gradually. Gets a little bit more organized and a little bit more strength into a tropical storm probably tomorrow as it begins to approach the Texas coast. When and where will it make landfall? Right now it looks like the mid Texas coast Obviously, there's still uncertainty in that especially since it's not that well organized you. See if you kinda notice the watch, go from South Texas all the way to the upper coast, so we're still kind of watching that, but yeah, we think most likely that mid, Texas, coast, maybe just south Matagorda Bay, what speed is it moving at now? What are you anticipating as it closes in on the coastline? He speed probably won't change a lot. It could pick up a little bit. It's about nine miles per hour. So that's kind of a moderate moving tropical system, not particularly slow or fast, and we don't. We don't see this one slowing down or stalling, so should stay kind of in that range around ten miles an hour. How strong might it be when it reaches the Greater Houston area? Yeah well right now. The Houston area may may or may not see some weak tropical storm force winds. It would be more likely on you know the very southeast side towards the Bay near the water but you know the track stay well south of the city, because sort of on the fringe of some of the impacts, so we're still watching that, but as far as timing looks like landfall would most likely be on. Saturday and impacts would would start arriving and rain bands kind of late Friday. Are we likely to be on the dirty side of the storm? Yeah, we're definitely going to be on the east North East sides. The rain bands are very likely. It's just The winds may stay fairly small system, so the winds are Kinda questionable as to. If we'll actually you know, see tropical storm force winds as far north. So that's kind of lower watching right now. What sort of rainfall might we expect and when? Yeah Good Question I. Think for the Houston area. Probably one to three inches I you get as you get closer to the coast. No could see five or six inches long immediate coast, so it'll definitely taper off the further inland you get in south, east Texas and again those rain bands probably start impacting the coast Kinda late Friday Friday evening. Meantime, there's still a another system out there tropical storm Gonzalo. Where is it? Yeah, it's way out there, so it's it's well well to the east of the Windward Islands, and they just issued some hurricane watches, so it's about you know two days a day, and a half to two days out from Barbados, and some of those southern, when islands there in the kind of the extreme eastern Caribbean so nowhere near US and not likely to track anywhere near US, right. No I mean it's one to watch. the model guidance has having kind kind of all over the place in the Caribbean as far as down the road early next week you know, does it end up near Haiti and remain a hurricane, or does it just dissipate in the central Caribbean? which is the possibility so right now? The Hurricane Center's forecast is kind of between those possibilities as decreasing to a tropical storm, so an increase to hurricane, probably later today, and then a decrease to a tropical storm once in central Caribbean kind of is the forecast. Right so that's Gonzalo. Hannah's the one we're watching. It's headed our way. Is it unusual to already be up to our eighth tropical depression? Slash Storm. or at least storm to be in mid July. It is I believe it's the first time it's happened while we've been recording these things so yeah, that's significant. Fortunately, most of our tropical systems this year have been on the weaker side Let's hope that continues right, but. That's a lot out there. Does this. Tell us anything about if not the strength of this hurricane season so far the strength of the storms the just the quantity that we might be seeing the rest of the summer. Yeah I mean. We anticipate given the conditions that we've been monitoring overall for the Atlantic Basin which includes the Atlantic and the Gulf and the Caribbean It should be an active year so we we think it'll. Activity will will continue to. You know to be active so probably above normal numbers even august-september going Dr. Sounds like Hannah is maybe not going to be anything that we would characterize his devastating, but could could yield some flooding and more significant rainfall for south of Houston. It's worth reminding everyone sorta the basic precautions that we should be taking. Not just in preparation for Hannah, but just in general when when these storms find their way towards us. Yeah. It's a good reminder that we're. We're nearing the more active time of hurricane season and I do think you're right. What will likely be Hannah that the main impact is going to be heavy rainfall in? Houston is going to be kind of on the fringe of the northern fringe of that threat. Lahood is a meteorologist with the National Weather Service Houston Galveston Office Lance. Thanks very much. Thank you appreciate it. Up next an American history do over imagine. All statues and monuments are gone. The history books a blank canvas. You can start from scratch. Who Do you highlight I from us? History and Y who hasn't been recognized at all or enough for their contributions should be. Let us know talk at Houston Matters Dot Org or call seven, three, four, four, zero, eight seventy. Stay with US IS HOUSTON matters continues. This is Houston matters I'm Craig Cohen. Ever play kickball in school I remember when when my classmates was accused of throwing spinners, we'd all yell. Do overdo over well now. We're going to engage in a little. Do over exercise in American history, imagine for a moment that there were no statues. Anywhere all history books, all paintings photographs everything a blank canvas, waiting to be filled in the history is the same, but how we teach it remember it honor, it is entirely up to us with none of the baggage of the last two hundred years of how it's been taught. Who would you honor I who would get more attention than maybe typically has gotten. Who would you start with? With if you wanted to do a better job of reflecting the whole of American history put another way who are some figures who have made their mark in the history of the United States but haven't gotten the credit they deserve. Let us know now at seven, one, three, four, four, zero, eight, thousand, eight, hundred seventy, or you can email us at talk at Houston. Matters Dot Org. And just a few minutes we'll be joined by Dr Vita Robinson Director of the Center for Critical Race Studies at the University of Houston downtown. Joining us now is Dr Elizabeth Gregory Professor of English and director of Women's Gender and Sexuality Studies at the University of Houston Dr. Gregory Welcome back to Houston matters. Be here glad to have you with us. We asked you to come up with some names of historical figures from American history. You believe should be highlighted more. And I wanted to maybe walk through a few of them. Noting that you came up with some that are national figures in some that specifically you to highlight from Houston, but let's start with some of those national figures and I saw that you broke them down into some categories. In particular you wanted to highlight abolitionists and suffragettes. Can you tell us about a few of them? Well, the dynamic in. Recently has been one of bringing up a lot of questions about who has been honored. And standardly been people in power, so a lot of the current current discussion is about how to recognize all the people who have been pushed aside. And left out of those discussions and a lot of those people were activists right people who were trying to transform the situation so nationally. There's a lot of discussion of suffrage this year because it's the one hundredth anniversary of the nineteenth amendment. This twenty six, so there'd be a lot of celebration so that that long struggle for suffrage overlapped with the just struggle for abolition and a lot of. activists women were involved. Walk White women as well as men across the nineteenth century, so people like Sojourner, truth and The Katie Stanton. and. Susan the Anthony are the. Ones who are being? Currently worked on for a statue in Central Park so there's been this huge discussion as you know. In New York City about statues and they've actually had votes the city about who should be represented because there's been so much discussion of the misrepresentation in the rule that statues plays where they don't just represent. Historical figures, but they then reinforce a sense of who is important for the next generations, so. The question of what does that you do? Does it just represent a you know what's the past or is? It actually enacted force in the ball to the present, but the future is part of this wider discussion so. overlook that discussion in terms of you know. What do people want to represent a blank slate? The issue is so complicated because a lot of people have specifically not been allowed to participate in a way that would give them the public stature to be recognized, so there's room for recognition of people weren't recognized in not much individuals, but whole groups of people so just the way we think about history is something that we as a group are discussing, but in in the. Your context, you know they have statue of Harriet Tubman. Alderson's since two thousand and eight, and then they're putting in. Per those votes Six statues and be seven. AH people like Shirley. Chisholm Billie holiday big figures from the past I was active in trying to get a statue of a poet called for Moore. Who was a suffrage? Just and was kind of. figure. In your. Or stressing modernist poet. and mall interest in that dynamic was the CI herself wrote about the dynamics of what is popularity and what is. You know public stature. There was a lot of what she reflected on her work Parks worked in that dynamic, so there's so many parts to this Of Fascinating about this moment we're all sitting together. In recognizing that the we monuments function is inadequate and WanNa, think about it again, just coming up with figures from the past that are problematic and they're always because they represent that asked. either because they are like a very small. People who might have enabled to evade privilege people who might have been able to filter to the top in that context or just because there isn't a real representation. So it's a really fascinating moment as a discussion. Also joining us is Dr Vita Robertson Director of the Center for Critical Race Studies at the University of Houston downtown Dr. Robertson Welcome to the program. Thank you sir. And we were just talking a little bit about abolitionist and suffragettes like Sojourner, truth Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Katie Stanton. Couple of whom were some of the figures that you suggest. Are. Figures for American history that you think should be highlighted more among the list that you provided though also were some. A name or two that were maybe we know a little bit more from more recent history in particular I, noted that you suggested Sandra Day O'Connor the. Supreme Court justices someone who should get more consideration, maybe a little more attention than she has. Can you tell us a little bit as to why? Well I, think as my colleague beautifully pointed out that if we race the idea that our monuments memorials have an important role in our American society, because they become a me, a vehicle or mechanism for projecting onto future generations, the aspiration, the endeavors that we believe are most important to our American. Society being Sandra Day O'Connor as the first female Supreme Court justice I going to serve a very important role, because number one more than half of our population our our sisters are women, and and the fact that they have been systematically and historically. Historically left out of our record. And the contributions of our country ends up. Being an important ends up being an important discrepancy in the way that we understand ourselves as a nation and so the the the the the the intellectual gravity of Saint Day O'Connor her contribution of the questions that you raised in the Supreme Court and the advocacy that she would have for her. Her Sisters of the nation are is going to be really important in the way that we both understand our sales in the judicial system that governs us. Dr Robert San. You also suggested a couple of categories of people who should be remembered for their contributions during. The first and Second World Wars. Can you talk a little bit about the Harlem Hell fighters and the Navajo Code Talkers? Yes. That's an excellent question. Thank you for that In world, war one doctor W E.. Voice again. WHO's worth? Incredible renowned as American sociologist, a political activist, the founder of the N. Double ACP. He's going to be instrumental in helping organize African Americans during one of the most turbulent times, our nation's history as we are in. One in organizing African, Americans, to in the three, hundred and Sixty Ninth Regiment, and these Harlem, hell fighters often under equipped in World War One because many of their white colleagues didn't trust them to have arms during the war, are going to be utilized primarily by the French at first because the French needed help, and they're going to go into some of the most gallant most successful in most utilized forces that. that. It's the French who are going to say to we Americans. These men fight like men straight Outta hell, and it is because of their gallantry because of bravery, because of their incredible contribution that we as a nation as well as the allied forces are going to be successful in world. Two are native. American brothers and sisters are going you an incredible service to us as a nation that the Navajo code talkers. To allow us to encrypt our messages to organize our horses into implement the execution of our plans in such a way that the that our enemies would never be able to decipher the workings. Of Our military institution, and so it would put themselves in great danger they would place themselves and incredible peril for the nation for this beautiful nation that we call the United States and so when we think about again groups who have been historically left out of our American conversation, whose contributions have been diminished because of part of our racist past. It's going to be very important that that these marginalized Americans have their place not only in our history, but. A future where all of us are equal. This is Houston matters. I'm Craig Cohen and we're talking with Dr Vita Robertson from the Center for Critical Race Studies at uh, downtown and Dr Elizabeth Gregory from the Women's Gender and Sexuality Studies Program at the University of Houston about figures in US, history that they think should be honored, recognized or remembered more perhaps as that next generation of statues or monuments or more prominently in history books. We'd like to hear your suggestions. Get Short Shrift in American history, but shouldn't let us know at talk at Houston Matters Dot, org or seven, one, three, four, four, zero, Eighty, eight seventy Dr Gregory. We have a tweet from Ethan and. Ethan raises a name that you also wanted to bring up, Ethan asks. How do we not have a statue of Barbara Jordan here in Houston? Totally? That is One of the first in line I would think if Discussing local heroes and heroines to represent Barbara Jordan definitely deserves representation and There are a number of other people. If we're considering local statutes that would be an interesting conversation to have is the city In the in the third ward, my favorite poets is Pat Parker who has? Much too little renown here in Houston, she left to go to college in California. But she kept writing about Texas for the rest of her life and wonderful poems. very hard hitting as well as humorous poem. She has great poem called woman flutter the domestic violence killing her sister. Here in Texas that is just overwhelmingly wonderful, and it's insight. and. She is. Kind of representative of local scene. Who could honor I? mean the whole International Women's Year That was here. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety seven is represented in effect. so that's the start and we have lots of women politicians now who are wrong bakers Sylvia Garcia an east corker. Poppy, whitmire both people are still alive. You don't normally fake statues of them but you can think about them to future representation and and suffrage is going back to them. figures like many Fisher Cunningham. I'm upset again. Ellen ewing or Auto Sue Thompson got women the vote effectively before the suffrage men was passed in one thousand, nine hundred seventeen by getting them the ability to vote in the Palmer. So there's been a law of representation of women in. In roles moving things forward, holding white was the first. Woman African American of all the gender, the deal elected to public office in Texas here in Houston on the school board, so if you, if you WANNA represent. That's one role. To. Remind people that even if they didn't necessarily become president of the United States, they were major factors in making things work here, and pushing things for to where we are now, and we still have a lot of problems. Just representing is not the wig in solve all the problems it. It's It's one part of this bigger conversation about. How do we make sure that people actually? I'm going to dive in and take some calls here so what we're going to go ahead and take some calls and go to Nancy and Rosenberg Nancy. What's your suggestion? my personal heroes, Rachel Carson and Roberto Clemente. Okay interesting! Political but not politicians. Dr Robertson your thoughts. I think that That inclusion of I I love how my sister mentions her a personal heroes that the inclusion of those who change the body politic that the way in which we imagine ourselves Americans, and the way in which we engage with America are going to be incredible criteria for memorializing our colleagues and so yeah. I would I would strongly recommend them as well. All right. Allen is in memorial, Alan. What would you recommend? Who who? Have Gotten short shrift in history. Yesterday morning. I'm Alan Memorial and I support. Media and I think Rachel Carson has just mentioned by nasty should be one of the people on any list Rachel Carson singlehandedly in his book in Nineteen Sixty Four. Up The environmental disasters that we are still dealing with today, ironically, Rachel Carson died of cancer to your at least two years later, and was never really given any recognition. She deserves beside. You know there are some are some monuments in in this country to her some preserves, but that book silent Spring Open the eyes of people and change climate policy in a way that affects us today and unfortunately hasn't affected US enough. All right thanks very much for the call in for the thoughts We also have an email from Michael who? says. He's from new. Orleans now lives in Houston and suggests how about homer, Plessey plessey versus Ferguson fame. As a as a good example. Doctor odds anyone to weigh in on that. Of course of course, hunger bless, he as well as Linda. Brown the little rock nine These are going to be very important. Figures who are are going to stand up against the system. The DOT did not recognize their humanity or their equality, and in doing so they made a sacrifice for us all so that we wouldn't be able to truly create a more perfect union by holding to those lives that gave us the kind of liberty that allows us the pursuit of happiness that is grounded in our in our independence. We also have the suggestion here of from her mind. Ulysses s grant and Jesse Jones Jesse H. Jones I'm wondering the. With Liz Grant. There's an example of someone who I think has been noted in the history books, but maybe more as the general from the civil war and less for his presidency. Are there elements of some historical figures? Where maybe their pieces of their biography that we should know more about and others that we don't need to know so much about Dr Gregory? Thoughts on that. I'm sure there are dynamics I know a lot about the. Grant. so I can't speak exactly for his case. but certainly you know it's a dynamic of who gets represented is You know not just an issue of statues. That's part of the discussion, but there's also and. He gets represented I. Believe on some money, right and the. Documentation of money as a representation of who valued in a society is also a point of some contention. Nowadays there was Susan. B Anthony Dollar was A. Coin and very little views. I think except in gambling context and then there was a lot of debate about the very public twenty dollar bill scratched We simply after being. Set in motion so there, husband. Discussion about like who who? Think of not just in terms of going to the park, but in a daily life is represented as important in our culture, and another venue for that has been stamps historically where you did see a wider variety of representation, especially in the past thirty years where there was a big emphasis on different kinds of cultural representations champs before that it was just a few figures repeating so and then street names and then back to college curriculum. who gets read who gets canonized I? Mean these are all aspects of the same discussion of around. Who Do we? What do we emphasize? And who do we see his role models and put forward for this kind of discussion, so yeah I mean you can look at the private side of somebody's life, as well and see. Something may be very different from what they were known for. In, initial, becoming a public figure things so there's complexity to everybody. Let's next. Go to Jimmy in Houston Jimmy. Who would you recommend from? US history that you think should be honored or recognized maybe a bit more. Opinion thank you take him. Home can be tonight. Eight American population. Now History we briefly touch about like how you know the interactions, and like other traditions, but I believe we don't touch. Stay culture, and especially how they were able to use the euro can do the native land. The land, and like when the Lewis in cloud expedition happened, and like the suction real I think I'm not saying name right, but how she helped set up the alliances. The Lewis and Clark expedition throughout the West. So I think really talk to my mic Lewis and Clark as a heroes out there, but there was a female who helps all these alliances with the native American tribes, and I didn't hear anything in the history. Books deal I actually reading more about these expeditions that really digging. High school books. It just. There's no mention if that I just want to highlight that. Mainly the native American population in how welcoming and friendly they were the foreigners, and like continues to them to you let. All right thanks very much for the call Jim. We appreciate it and Dr Robertson. A Jimmy brings up sock away I. Guess if nothing else I'll. I'll point out that for whatever it's worth growing up in Saint Louis. We learned a lot about that expedition, and so she was a figure that we were taught quite a bit about, but maybe she deserves more credit. And maybe Lewis and Clark a little less. You included in your list of figures that you think maybe deserved more than they have gotten. Sitting bull tell us about sitting bull. Yeah but I. Can you You sitting bull chief John Ross. are going to be really important. contributions to our American experiments as as the caller wonderfully mention not only were these native Americans To the settlers who came in and through various attempts, tried to make a way for us to to to really bring to inexistent. The multicultural United States of America that we all aspire to now but it's. But it's really important that we recognize what they also stood up for eight of American peoples and tribes, and a moment in time, when we worked systematically trying to exterminate them, and move them off of the land that was rightfully theirs, and so You know we think about chief John Ross and the way in which helps us model our government and help us as a as a as a burgeoning nation to come. Come to grips with all of the the challenges before us and as mentioned before secretary we and sitting bull, a standing up, and making sure that we recognize native person hoods, and the right of native people to be on this land than those ended up, being important cornerstones and characteristics that we need to not only remember and memorialize today that we equally needs project onto the minds and lives of our citizens in the future. Let's go to Greg and Kingwood Greg. What's your thought on this? Hey very interesting. Don't forget the Pocahontas and the dogs and how they accepted the pilgrim's and. got them to have a foothold and chief Joseph, but the other thing is you know one common denominator of all the statues coming down, and they are all men. And maybe we should have an so you look at the Great sculpture of history, except for the biblical stuff like the. The David but You look at like the thinker and Rodin you know a calm posits that to. Incorporating all the strength of womanhood. From an education and terrain and fierceness and Rosie the riveter and behind every good man is a good one well, how about statues and that you know that are inspiring? That can go in any city any state and still be You know Revered, and but also that's part of our society. Is The true backbone I think of our society. and. For the comments. Dr Gregory. I think that speaks to the idea of. representing the concept sort of the everyday person, not just the hero figures in a lot of the dynamics of statues historically been about war and law so a lot of the reasons. that. They're largely male along with the fact that men were the politicians, so they represented there has to do with various war. Figures represented in the. The names of the phone soldiers. On statues. the other side of life of family life which. Includes women, but isn't. Only winning all would be an interesting kind of. Way To explore the idea of banning. Greg would do we want to. TRAE as the important part of our culture who was here and at Houston is such a diverse city the end lack in white and Latino history. We also have a wide in a national population here so we're representing, and I know the question is more you know general about sort of national representation, but it's interesting to think about it locally as well because people think locally and experience things locally and can also go to New York and Washington and see larger National figures like that, but it's interesting to see what the connections are between the local and all the national. Dr, Elizabeth Gregory Professor of English. Director of women's gender and sexuality stays at the University of Houston, my apologies Dr Gregory, for interrupting the you there, but we are out of time Dr Robertson's director of the Center for Critical Race Studies at the University of Houston downtown. Thank you both very much for talking with fascinating discussion. Thank you we'll place. Can you plan a performing arts season without confirming of performing arts season. That's what the Society for the performing arts is trying to pull off and local arts organizations also trying to commission some new work at the same time. Meg Booth is the CEO of. And joins us now good morning, Meg. Good morning, how do you go about developing a season of performances when you don't really know if those performances will ultimately occur, or if there will ultimately be an audience for them? And it is of course I just like I think. It. Looks like we're having a bit of a connection problem with Meg booth. We're going to put her on hold for a moment and see if we can get a little establish a little bit better connection there back booth is the CEO of the Society for the Performing Arts, which is developing its new season, the and also trying to develop a commission some new work at the same time. Let's see if we've got maybe a little bit better. Connection there, Meg. Still, with US I am. Can you hear me? Yes, that's much better so I was I was asking you how you develop a season performances when you don't really know if any of those performances will ultimately take place if an audience will be there, what contingency plans to you make? Well, we have done about seventy five different plans for the course of the season, and it is very difficult because society for the performing arts brings artists from all around the world on the nation and right now there are so many quarantine. And limits on traveling individual that you know. For many people in many states if you come to Houston if you come to Texas then you have to quarantine for fourteen days when you leave Texas, so it is difficult because many artists have said that they are not going to confirm touring until they know they are going to be able. Travel freely so although we have a few performances that we have been able to win out we're really pouring our energy and our excitement into a very positive project, which is commissioning local artists hearing Huston that can be presented here in Houston and We're focused on feeling that creative pipeline here for our local artists. Can. You give us a little sense of how this commissioning project works. Sure, we're so excited about it because it really fills a gap. creates opportunities for small and mid size, Houston groups and artists to be presented in the theater district. the events of last month. Certainly have caused us to reevaluate any balls this project in response to everything that's happening in the world. We also reached out to the local artists and ask them. What do you need? What would be helpful right now? Because Arts workers not only in Houston, but really across the world. are just decimated by Cova. They simply can't work. They can't get together and studios All of the performances have largely been been stopped. We also with the New York. City Guggenheim works. Process Co presented a few digital commission. about a month and a half ago and so it caused us to reevaluate. Our projects so we're going to fall digital commissions throughout the fall. And that will be available to artists to potentially our social distancing. Working alone, so it's one artist. Maybe two or three? Maybe they're cohabitating someone else. and that will be a three minute digital commission, and then later in the year applications will be doing. December where they will be able to work in the spring and summer, we'll do a much larger commission with the intention of having live performance. On the Jones, Hall stage, and where we're targeting the live performance in June or July, so that will hopefully happen. At a time, where larger groups of artists can collaborate gather in the studio together and so work safely. How much are you basing what your plans will ultimately or won't be in the coming year on on what other performing arts organizations are doing? Well there certainly as a lot of networking going at this time both locally there. The theatre district you know we have a group called team seven. We meet regularly and there are a lot of national service organizations that foster networking. Presenters on a national basis, and Various Art Group and everyone is a little bit different. The Society for the plumbing hires artist outside of Houston to come here, so we don't have artists on payroll and so truly everybody is doing something a little bit different The symphony they have all of their artists that live here and so they have been able to work with those artists to do virtual performances, and so we're all talking about. We're all doing something a little bit different based on our our unique individual organization. You've been leading SPA for about a year and a half now. Is there anything you can take away from that first year that you can apply twenty twenty, or has this year just been its own unique beast. Burnley I think Kobe was something that nobody in any industry anticipated, and so that is unusual, but one of the Nice things about society was forming art is that we have focused on all genres from Music Dance Theatre to spoken word We really have the ability to to look at a lot of variety and And and we have the potential to be able. If. There's anything that I took from the first year that we continue to create. We can continue to be Nimble and evolve with the Times. Is the CEO of the Society for the Performing Arts? Make thanks so much for talking with us. Thank you. And that'll do it for today's show. The Houston Matters Team includes Michael. Hagerty Joshua's in Brenda. Ruiz, and Val de David. Pittman is our technical director for member to join Ernie News for another Houston matters special edition today at three on news eighty, eight seven on tomorrow morning show will explore whether the concept of pod isolation, keeping all actions socially distanced or otherwise to a limited number of people actually works, plus it's opening day. Yes, really after a four month delay the Houston Astros and Major. League baseball returned to the field. Will preview the season with Jeff Baulky? I'm Craig Cohen. Joins US tomorrow for those and. Others Houston maps.