#704 De La Soul's 3 Feet High and Rising & Opinions on The National

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You're listening to sound opinions and later in the show, we'll review the eighth album from the national, I am easy to find. But first, we want to talk about a classic album. That is not easy to find daily souls. Three feet, high and rising. Doesn't attic. The magic. Pop. The magic no. That's right, Jim and a big part of the reason why this is unavailable is one oddball sample on one, sixty six second track called transmitting live from Mars, equity, and meaty. Not limited Sedova digitally can on. Equity is great one of our favorite recurring, segments on sound opinions is the classic album dissection where we dig deep into a record that we've been living with for years that we think is an absolute masterpiece. We've been talking about doing this record the debut album by daily soul three feet high and rising for a long time. I should tell you right now that there are many great stories connected to the making of this album, one of the difficulties you the listener at home may have is it is not streaming. You cannot purchase it as a digital download you can buy the CD on the Amazon dot com. But this record is hard to find. You gotta go crate, digging and look for the vinyl. Yeah. Yeah, it's really tragic. And I think it speaks to that particular era of hip hop. What we are catching here. This album came out in nineteen eighty nine three feet high and rising Delasalle three kids from Long Island with another kid from Long Island was a little bit older principal. The producer a lot of people talk about this with reverence this period. In hip hop. The golden age of hip hop. I've heard that referred to more than once, and not just not just people, the likes of Chuck d, you know, Africa, Bomba, everybody pays homage to this record as a music fan. I was an incredible time. I remember collecting the first twelve inch singles from hip hop in the late seventies early eighties and thinking this is incredible. Stop it. Reminded me a lot of punk rock. What we saw was a rapid evolution of hip hop in the next five years. Body. Back to. Into a more sophisticated art form based on sampling. It's important to note that the idea of sampling, I was still a relatively new artform. You started to see producers working with us idea pulling little bits and pieces of music from a huge variety of recordings re contextualising them and making them into something new. So when you think about something like public enemies, it takes a nation of millions to hold us back or ultra magnetic emcees, critical beatdown or the jungle brothers was straight out of the jungle or arm. Beastie boys, Paul, he's boys. He calls with teak, which came out right around the same day. We're just wrapping up the beastie bones moon teak when they first heard daily thing were sold three feet high and rising almost like, why are we gonna bother initially? Yeah. Their their, their whole reaction was we are record isn't good enough. It doesn't match up to this one. So this record was held in high reverence because it was an artful. Hip hop record. It was self consciously artful in the way it used the samples and the way puts these angles together. So what we saw was a flowering of this art form with three feet high and rising at the very center of it. The whole discussion about hip hop seemed to change back then it was his upstart music that wasn't gonna last two something that had real staying power. That had a sense of these records, are going to be played fifty years from now. When people are going to respect them. But as you said, because of the way sampling has been viewed legally that whole idea is thrown into question. There's a large issue, here can record like three feet, high and rising even be made anymore. Well today because of the cop to the whole sample controversy, but let's introduce these fellas. I they all came from around the town of Amityville home of the Amityville horror island, remember that. Yep. You know, prince Paul real name, Paul. Houston is a DJ for an influential hip. Hop group steps us on IQ and he's producers deejays one of the driving forces. See those squall, e Portland spoon on. But I heard that. This story's fun. And then he meets through a mutual middle school music teacher pace. Master Mace Vincent, Lamont Mason, who's going to become the DJ for daily soul. He begins Mace working with Steph Asanovic and introduces Paul to his Powell's. We have true guide the dove David Jude Joe liqueur. My name has to be true, ROY, the dove true. Go is yogurt backwards yogurt. I enjoy the yoga. I mean even a lot and pas noose Kelvin, Mercer. I'm pasta knows you can call me poss- poss- is backwards, facade and nuisance. Back was the sound sop sound if you're getting a sense of high school playfulness here. I'm glad these kids were all in highschool. Paul said, I met them. They were nerds. I was a nerd, we were all nerds Paul's a little. Bit older. He had accomplished a lot with Stetson a lot being relative. Hip hop was being born he'd made an impact in this small, but burgeoning music scene. They record a single essentially on an cassette in basement, plug tune. And it winds up in the hands of several labels who begin fighting for it. Perogatives. Shame after the battle. Well. Transis stalls on. All. Not north call. Daily soul in decision that will have ramifications decide to sign with Tommy boy small but extremely hip label on the hip hop scene. At that point in the late eighties, mainly because Tommy, boy showed the most enthusiasm for them, but business, they didn't quite have their act together, these guys begin recording in the spring of eighty nine they spend a couple of weeks and it is essentially a party all three of them have given interviews, plus poll saying, you know, they would walk in each day with a stack about under their arms. These were not albums. They went out and create Doug for these were albums their parents. Right. Right. Yours, drew going back in nineteen eighty nine talking about the different styles of music. They each grew up listening to my background influence. Was my parents, listen to a lot of, oh, western. Jazz. Some reggae May's parents listen to a lot of calypso and a lot of arm be, and poss- parents, listen to a lot of jazz and some of them I you know, look at the list Otis Redding. The bark as steely Dan's Asia, Johnny cash that title three feet high and rising comes from one of the guys found dad had an album by Johnny cash. Five feet high and rising. They said there's three of us let's take that kills water. Rise. Right. Oh. Hole and oats Liberace. Billy Joel craft work. A snippet of New York, mayor Fiorello LaGuardia reading the comics as he famously did over the radio and a recording of, of a how to speak French all of this, and more so much more winds up on three feet high and rising, and then they come up with this, the Matic link which I'll let you take over because right now I think the idea of skits and hip hop, we have long gotten sick of them. Right. But nobody had done it. Well, it starts here, you know. And, and it was prince Paul's idea that, you know, put together these little interstitial pieces into this. Recording of these wildly diverse pieces of music. Let's, let's do a game show boys. Kids out there. Welcome to three feet. High rising, I'm going to ask an amount of four questions. You'll try to answer them correctly. Now you out there in the audience can answer long with them on many fetters are on a chicken, how many fibers intertwined in shredded wheat, biscuit. What the pool mean. How many times about mobile catch a flat? Now that we know the questions we'll let the contestants think them over and we'll return right after these messages. How many flat tire? I mean, they're just goofing around, you get the sense of friends goofing around, like when kids, I get a microphone, that's everybody here in public radio. I get a microphone and recorder and they make their own radio plays. That's what it sounds like Dallas all barely outta high school. They're all doing they needed to separate themselves. They understood that there was so much great stuff already happening out there that it was pointless to make another hip hop record that sounded like anything else, it was already out there because there was classics coming out almost every month, it seemed like that time. So they went far afield in principle goes, I can work with these guys. I mean he was the most experienced of the group, he recognized somebody that had been was creating their own lane. As soon as he heard that first demo for platoon. He was like these guys around something different. I want to work with them. You know, and true going on that particular track talks about the first time around you didn't quite understand our new style speak. The first time in quite understand speak dot Laurie. Fix that all grab your bag. They were self consciously coming up with a new language. I mean they were they were quoting their version of street slang on this record. They were coming up with their own phrases their own way of turning words around. So it was it was a very self conscious effort to make an artful album that was different than everything else out out there. You know, you think about the way that plug tune in was put together from Sandpoint of the recording. They went deep, you know, that, that there's a do op record that very few people knew about, as sort of a basis for that record. It was his sort of chaotic playful abstract subversive humor to the whole thing. Perogatives positively Tweety. Emme. Shame. After the battle. Let's talk about some of the standout tracks on three feet high and rising what to do when something stop digging and shoo-in. They don't know that the soul but at potholes in my lawn. From the one of the early tracks potholes in my lawn. Think about the realism of that image. You're in the concrete jungle there are no lawns only potholes. You know, this is what they're writing about. And there's a yoga Ling move in the middle of that. Nothing other than the fact that it's funny. It's surreal lease my lawn. Launch shoe had better plant traces include abet for nine one one. And when they get here. Here on the plug. One of the relies the reason concern, the slow because we come down with a case pothole. The track was about the jealousy of the neighbors guys were doing something and their, their success spawned jealousy. So this is a battle rhyme, but it's a battle rhyme. That didn't sound like anybody else's battle right? At the time original, I think the key to understanding daily soul is they were not afraid to be nerds. And I think you'd have to wait another thirty years for somebody, like, Lupe fiasco to come forward or very early Konya west to take pride in their nerd them to not be posing daily. Soul got a lot of crap for it, right? From the beginning from a towering figures like K, R S, one of boogie down productions. There was a connection there with Steph Asanovic. You know what is this hippy crap the daisy age rise? What day LaSalle proclaimed inner sound y'all? Right. But they were kids, Greg. What about the magic number? You know, they grew up with a bowl of sugary cereal in front of the television watching school. House rock. And you know, three is the magic number is one of the best of them that Matic Ruth Metairie school has rock songs. And they're happily sampling it. I don't think they're doing it as shake. I think they're doing it as this is where we come here. This is who we are. Doesn't magic. The magic. Two. The magic. Physical pasta pleasure, pleasant and breach and thoughts hot something. Humilate measure in music pot. Casualty don't do like the soul of doing actually lungs doing hip hop hustle. No rock and roll, unless your name's Bruce, even the Jennifer taught me is sort of a it's built on this whole cliche. You know, the schoolboy crush, and I'm going to seduce the prettiest girl in the school. Broken been marching with class. Jennifer. Jenny also favored penny. So odd gave a dollar. She kissed me. But he's not cool because Jennifer at the end of the interlude moves on she's dumped, this guy already realize he's not cool enough for me and just kind of, like, okay, you know. Right, right. My moment, the sun and now it's over my fifteen minutes of fame are up. Jennifer does Awami anymore, and then there's a ridiculous, but nonetheless apropos shop sticks. Interlude the Liberace choppy in the middle of that song that just kind of breaks everything up. What where did that come from? Hey. At the same needs to be pointed out that these guys were smart wasn't just all jokes. It wasn't all about. Let's talk about our misadventures as high school nerds when, when you think about a track tread water. What a just just look at the lyric sheet alone. You don't even need music to sort of get the idea that this is an elaborate, fable. They are creating here. It's, it's, it's not a tossed off piece of work. It's really a fable about ecological disaster. On the water. Babies. Message. What it was was dumpsters. You've got this whole idea of talk and fish, you know, in the bathtub talking crocodile with daisies in his hat on dubs journey across the river and the monkey. Who's talking at the end of the record is, is a fan saying, you know, you've lifted me with this record and he advises pasta news to stay the course don't, don't be swayed by what people say you are being who you are. It was almost like they were advising themselves that, you know, people are going to misinterpret, this hippie thing is daisy, h thing, and they're gonna cast as a bunch of softies, and outsiders and people who don't know what they're doing that. Don't belong hip hop. And he says, you know what don't listen to them be who you are? Well, that's exactly what happens. I wanted to mention one more song before we get to the sad, Dumont, MS record, they sample hall and oats, I can't go for that. Yeah. And in Dallas, souls, hands. It becomes say, no go. Brother. To the mother, too. So. You don't wanna wear it. No. Which is anti-drug. Right. One of the least cool things that's happening in hip hop. At that time, we have not yet or just about to have the explosion of west coast, gangsta rap, you know innumerable tales about drug dealing. We've had some of that, at that point in New York, you know, it's going to become the endless trope in hip hop forever. About after a short break. We'll dig into the story of the breakout hit from three feet, high and rising me myself. And I will also explore how the album's two hundred samples set the stage for decades long legal battle the impact of the sound of hip hop for years to come. That's an a minute on sound opinions from WBZ Chicago NPR. 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It's also a song that almost didn't happen. They finish the album. They turned it into Tommy boy, and Tommy boy does the record company cliche. Wade here, a single right? Give us something we can play on radio. They go back in the studio with principal takes parliament sample, not just needing. And bills is incredible track underneath me myself. And I. On the. What is? People travel. Just be much. They talk about this idea of being played by the label and being played by you know, being pigeonholed because of the way a particular record sound style is surely, our own thing, not the false disguise of show biz. My name has to be chew the dove on Jess with the gold chains. And dissolve asses kangol hats and all that stuff to sneak is we don't do all of that. We just, you know, to be selves. We we know see the world and the record companies for what they are. Right. We're moving on, and that sort of sets the stage for the next record, which was a complete one eighty they say it right in that track. Yeah. Just me myself. That's on a loan has six it's not just need. Funke delic. It's got funky worm by the Ohio flares. Aware rapper dapper snapper Edwin birdsong. Gonna make you mine by loose. Ends. And the original human beat box by Doug e fresh. Right. All of that in one song, over two hundred samples on this record. The problem is only sixty were cleared. What does that mean? This was new turf at this point the rules for hip hop. And for sampling were being written daily soul have subsequently said in many interviews, and I do not believe it's justification after the fact that they just assume the record company going to handle this and the record company, Tommy boy, did handle some of it, but they missed quite a few, including a, a little snippet of a song you showed me by the turtles. Me. Obt. ltD Sedova Disney is can on. I think the turtles were one of the mediocre wanna be being bands of the mid sixties. They LaSalle took twelve seconds of it, and looped it for a sixty six second track under the, the how to speak French recording, you know, and the turtles suit and sued with a vehemence in Ning unwarranted. They were looking for two and a half million dollars for this twelve seconds of sound. You gotta remember these weren't just clueless. White guy wanna be Beatles Howard, Kaelin and Mark vulnerable. The leaders of the turtles went on to play for years with Frank Zappa, you think if anybody would have appreciated freakiness it would have been Kaelin environment. What's more Zappa would include a bits of Edgardo Reese in his music, right? East quoting everything. From Schoenberg to Louie, Louie. You know, I never understood that, you know, it effectively has been a horrible legacy for this record ever since the reason, it's not streaming or downloadable to purchase and only remains of elible on a CD is, you know, the, the contract was also very narrow minded, you and I have written books. Right. Our book contracts say, you know, paper rights audio rights, kindle rights and any form may ever be invited. Right. You know, someday people are going to have a USB port in their neck. And they'll just stick that, you know how Tommy boy did not do that. And then Tommy boy is later consumed sub soom by Warner Brothers records. None of these companies have ever wanted to go back and do the hassle of paying samples. And I think, you know, look for shame on the artists really. You know, like the turtles for making such a big stink, you know. Like why? Can't they take a cut this kinda completely myopic legalistic viewpoint of what sampling is everybody says it's stealing? Well, you know, if you borrow a brute blues river, you know, there's one blue song, right? Right. And eight million blues men made a variation on that one blue song. Nobody sued them. You know you go through the history of pop music, everyone borrows or steals from somebody else. Sampling is just a way of Rican. Textual is in the past, and making it relevant for a new piece of music. When you think about an artist I in principle is an artist in the way. Absolutely. These samples, it's ridiculous to think that somebody would sue them for millions of dollars for appropriating a few seconds of record. The no one has thought about for three decades. And the group had its own philosophy on what it was doing with the samples. Here's the album's producer principal, followed by Dana souls. True, go the dove and Mace talking about the art of sampling in nineteen eighty nine have a creative line, you can basically use anything, for example, academic a wreck in such as basic Disneyland. Mickey Mouse record for example. Now, people may not believe it. But if you lose all wreckage Yuka, fine things like drumbeat salon. When we sample, we just, you know, just sample in just late and loop. We can turn the backwards. I mean back make the end the beginning top it up and make it sound like a totally different instrument being played actually still it's like bringing back the old old songs making old songs, new again, people like it, you know, even more. You know, you listen to the daily soul sixty six, you know, and it's like it's, it's unrecognizable the other big case was Bismarck. He got sued by Gilbert, relevant for sampling similarly. A couple of seconds of alone again naturally. Has was all the way to. Then showed that Clinton has tried to down to at the moment, I had to apply. Judge was so clueless. Not only about this nascent, burgeoning hip hop culture. There's a wonderful piece that Robert Chris out has written about that trial. Look it up online, the judge had to ask several times for the court to define for him. What are in be? Right. He didn't understand so you have this English wanna be, you know, blue eyed soul singer as this hit the difference was Bismarck. Knew it had to be cleared and Gilbert O'Sullivan had denied permission, any went ahead and did it anyway. Right. You know, but daily soul honestly thought they'd been cleared. You know that, that, that, that somebody at the company store was taking care of them. And I just think it's one of the greatest tragedies in the history of music that everybody can immediately rush to Spotify. Listen, this album on repeat for the next three weeks. Well, it's important to note that in the time that there was still a gray area here about what. How, how do you sampling? And how what the licensing rules really were because anybody could make any number they wanted say, okay, I'll let you use four seconds of my record. But you have to pay X amount of dollars and they could just make up a figure or or not or not care. And there was sort of this gray gray area for that approach to making hip hop records at the time. I mean, the licensing rules are so stringent there has been president set in these corporate eatings that to make a record like this now would be practically impossible. And this. The knockout south? We're going to unfortunately sample clearance, complications aren't the only thing keeping three feet. High and rising off of your streaming playlists further complicating things Greg, besides the clearance of all these samples is the fact that CEO and founder of Tommy, boy records, Tom Silverman was trying to shove down day Lascelles throats for their first six albums eight ninety ten split of the prophets. If those records were streamed ninety ten yeah. There are no manufacturing costs for a stream. Why should the record company get ninety percent? I suppose a portion of that would have to go to sample clearance, but they Ila soul has dug their feet in and good for them except bad for listeners. Right. It is. I think one of the holy grails of great digging now because it does sound better on vital. Oh my God. It does, right. Or even CD dignity. It'd be buying for ten cents in a way it became a. Challenge to the artists who followed because I think daily souls, legacy is alive and well, yeah, I hear it in, in artists like the social experiment. Chance the rapper's backing group, you know. Oh, yeah, Nate FOX and Nico Segal. Just say. Won't you? I hear it. Certainly a lot of what common went on to do that, at one, wonderful electric, circus record. Connect the control with me. Debasement. Bobby? Nossa cast with almost three Sabra but they'll get up last. Massive dome pet the Prodi that universal nam. Day. Bob Marley Dow feel. Ever. These ambition Frank ocean. The single. But you. Living in. The black Beverly. Domesticated, dad. Palm trees. Though Bod is Blue's pill. Keeping. Whatever you. Refusing to color in the lines and wanting to reach out far and wide. But what they've had to do is partner with musicians. Right. What you can do is play a riff, right? You know, if you are recording Aref instead of sampling riff create your own sample on a keyboard, synthesizer over, and then man, then sample that, you know, which is still a way of doing it. You know, we, we should explain for listeners because I think still a lot of people do not understand over two hundred samples on this record a similar number. Even I believe, even more astronomical on it takes a nation of millions to hold them back by public enemy similar on Paul's boutique. Right. I'm sorry. We can give you those couple of hundred records and a sampler. Yes. Show you how to use it. You are not going to accomplish what the bomb squad or prince Paul dead or the dust brothers with you know. You know, it's, it's a true talent, I don't think people people think sampling and they think about what you know, that, that puff daddy showing where he steals, half the sting song. Yeah. Breath. I know you still living. Right. Not what these artists were doing. I also think we have here, the roots of whatever you wanna call indie rap certainly part of the emerging subculture in New York of the native tongues movement. You know, the tribe called quest. Check it jungle brothers Queen Latifah, black sheep. Mc light della. Seoul was right in the middle of that. Absolutely. And when you think about the idea that rat now rap, you didn't have to be hard or nasty, you know, or street to connect. You could be positive smart abstract. Nerdy funny. You know you could be yourself. You could be anything you wanted to be as long as you create. So you get most dep- you get qualley. Fresh. Pretty feet pigging. Common, you get the whole Chicago sound from chance the rapper back to Lupe fiasco. He was banished. The pop started in the morning, one stop John GM when they said it's getting late here. Sorry, young men, there's no state, and so we kick. Yeah. You know, think about, you know the way he used sampling the way he was able to be himself on his early records back pad me asking me Jackie's, but less than black. The today show tokens. Enough. Moment of is breaking no smoking, you think about the death checks record label under. L P. Single blackmail, dark hair, dark park in the lot of them. A little bit shaded by a lot of what I again, those are the children of three feet high and rising, and it goes on and on. Hale types, kiss things happen. Tools like cheap because more cold play than I am. I t say that good girl back off my feet back girl, which guide us we want to hear from you. Where do you hear the legacy of Delasalle today? Let us know caller hotline at eight eight eight eight five nine eighteen hundred when we come back, we review, I am easy to find the latest from the national, and Jim drops a quarter in a desert island jukebox Jim, when he got forced, Greg. I had so much fun. Don't know about you doing the paisley underground, John rea- section that I'm going to do one band. We only mentioned briefly in passing cornerstone ban from that movement, as well as one of the godfathers of alternative country that's in a minute. Unsound opinions from WBZ Chicago, and PRN. Let's be honest. There's too much news to catch up on, especially after a long day at work, but WBZ Chicago has your back our new daily newsletter. The rundown will keep you informed with the five biggest local, national and international stories delivered right to your inbox. Subscribe for free by texting rundown two three zero six four four. This week under debt recaps game of thrones with Peter. 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Jim in Cincinnati has since moved to New York, it got signed to the beggars banquet records label in the early two thousand after putting out a couple of indie releases its breakthrough came into five alligator subsequent continue to do better, and better, the, the ban started playing front, a bigger audiences with each album cycle, the two thousand seventeen album sleep Welby actually won a Grammy award for best alternative music album, and the band toured extensively behind that record with the notion that they were going to take some time off. Instead, this film director, Mike mills. Not the Mike now from REM no way, but a director who's done movies like twentieth. Century women started communicating with met Bernard, jer the lead vocalist in the national and wanted to collaborate and actually ended up doing a twenty four minute film, based on the nationals music in turn burner said, hey, come and work with us on this new album. We feel this new energy coming across from what you're doing. Let's let's collaborate and make a record so they brought in Mike mills as the co producer, we're going to talk about the eighth national album in a second. I am easy to find, but here's a track from it. I you had your soul and some. Everywhere. You have no idea. Died when. If I. That is a little bit of you had your soul by the national from the new album. I am easy to find Greg. I hate this album with a deep abiding hatred that I have not felt for a very long time. I, I hated it so much. It's one of those rare records that prompted me to go back and reevaluate the previous foreign national records, we had reviewed on sound opinions all of which I gave a really enthusiastic burn it, or back when we had the rating system, you know, unapologetic by it. In fact, in twenty seventeen when sleep well beast came out. I was applauding the move toward Radiohead, electronic backing tracks a new depth to accompany, what has always been the band signature Matt burn injures, poetic literary lyrics. What is wrong with this record number one? It's electron IQ in all the wrong ways as opposed to the last record number two. It's a lousy with choirs. Many guest female vocalists here, including the great, Sharon van Etten. There's the Brooklyn youth chorus base seem sort of tossed in randomly. And haphazardly burn injures often compared to Leonard Cohen, both as lira Cest and as kind of, you know, the downtrodden vocalists, the sombre vocalist. You know this is like those lousy Cohen records where it sounded leg was produced by some guy high on coke. You know from the seventies disco scene. Who'd never heard Leonard Cohen before. I, I don't understand this record at all. And it's making me reconsider everything I think I thought I knew about the national. Yeah. Jim, this is a disappointing record for me as well, especially after seeing them on their two thousand seventeen tour. They had so much energy so much power. I thought they'd never sounded better this record. Sounds kind of tired to me burnin journ particular, you know, the one thing I always liked about burning was this sort of jecklin Hyde personality. I sing in this low, Bruce. Voice, because there's a seething rage, right? Under the service. And when it comes out there will go there's going to be held a pay and their songs inevitably would would would come to these kind of crescendo where you'd like get this really kind of scarifying vibe, you know, this brooding guys just, you know barely containing himself. There's none of that here. There's no breakthrough here. It just sounds kind of tired female vocalists seemed to be brought in primarily as a foil. The whole idea that, hey were were co collective where collaborative entity rather than just a band, which sounds like you know what you're pretty good band. This seems like an excuse to make sort of a mediocre album that almost sounds like a remix album. I see how this could have worked remember when Nick cave duet with Kylie, Minogue. Things that shouldn't have gone together. Right. But they did. And yet, and yet, this is nowhere near like that. I think the women actually walk away with this record. I mean, the best moments on the record belong to Gaylon Dorsey, you heard her some of her voice on that you had your soul song. There's a couple of other ones where she really shines. He seems like the beacon of hope in this record that seems like I complete Downer. Otherwise, the intimacy becomes rather wearing. I think the fact that it's sixty four minutes long and stays in that one. Very sad. Brooding intimate. We're having this conversation, male and female, yin and Yang. You know throughout the tire record that never really kind of the mole conversation ever in ever goes anywhere. It is the most radical album of their career in that they have sort of broken the mold of what the national is. And it's also the most disappointing it's a failed experiment. I tell you this whole island is boo. We were shipwrecks together. As often as possible on sound opinions, we like to go to the desert island Papa quarter in the desert island jukebox and play track. We cannot live without Jim. It's your turn this week Greg. We had so much fun doing the psychedelic paisley, underground John Reid is section last week. I wanted to reprieves it a bit with another band that I love now they were part of that movement. But also part of something else on new sound aborting the long riders came together, like all those groups, we talked about last week, the Bengals the three o'clock the rain parade, you know in the early eighties around two key members sid Griffin. Who'd been a rock critic like Steve Wynn. The dream syndicate and Stephen McCarthy. Both great singers song, writers enamored, usually of the psychedelic era birds. And the next phase of the birds gram Parsons sweetheart of the rodeo, the birds go country. Gene, Clark that whole sound are member seeing the long riders when all they had was an EP out ten five sixty released in nineteen Eighty-three. They blew my mind because I believe it was Granada. We had just invaded. They sang this song that I'd never heard before. I'm younger than you masters of war. I love this band. I really think they're underrated as one of these bands without whom there would have been no Tupelo would have been no, you know, decades worth of alternative country, wouldn't know bloodshot record that whole genre, right? These guys were there in eighty three eighty four and you know it was as, as poignant lyrically as musically. I wanna play a song from state of our union. They're nineteen eighty five out which I think sounds like it could have been written yesterday. It's called looking for Lewis and Clark Lewis and Clark the two explorers who discovered there was a west coast. Thomas Jefferson sends him out, says figure out how to get from here on the east coast, you know to, to whatever's out there, the west, we don't know right from with help from native Americans with incredible courage and fortitude. They cross the country. They tell us what America is about, right? Geographically and what this place is here's the long riders singing, in, in the height of the Reagan era. I thought I saw some diplomat hawking secret plans in the park. I thought I saw my president walking through Harlem late after dark in a world of love where they burn like Niro, you write them a check, and then you add zero looking for Lewis and Clark. There's also humoring in here too, because he imagines himself go into heaven and meeting, Tim Hardin and saying, tell tell gram Parsons about my band. The long riders it's you know, they, they were incredible ban live not always super successful on record. But, you know, they're back together. There is a new long writers album, psychedelic country, sold just came out. They are touring the country. If you never got to see them in the day, go see him for sure. And the new home. I think he's really strong. Here's one from back in nineteen eighty five looking for Lewis and Clark by the long riders on sound. That is the long riders looking for Lewis and Clark new albums out there out on tour Greg. What's on the show next week next week Jim, it's time to dig up some more buried treasures. We love this feature that we do every once in a while on the show records that are flying underneath the mainstream radar, we think, unique to here, you can download the sound opinions podcast, wherever you get such things sound opinions was produced by Alex clayborn, ion contraire and Andrew Gill looking for loosened Clark. Looking for Brennan Madison, climate mountain or something. WBZ's new podcast public official egg, the untold story of the rise and fall of rod Blagojevich. Ladies and gentlemen. I wanna thank the people of Illinois on the night of rods. First statewide victory. People were already talking about a run for president, but when the F B started recording his calls it was like a slow motion car crash. I've got this thing, and it's gold. Download public official. A now wherever you get your podcasts. On sound. Everyone's a critic. So give us a call on our hotline, eight eight eight five nine eighteen hundred new messages, Jimmy Greg. Brad calling from Washington DC, just listen to your reunion show and wonder flicked on how the coolest reunion I ever got to see which was my sophomore year of college and St Louis driving a couple of hours thing to hell with final, which go see the big star. We only a few of the member, but they got together in a couple of members in the posies reunited at a university of Missouri. Spring fling and few people scattered and we're blown away by what came sort of mini reunion. Alex Jodi had for couple years of is pretty special moment that became a CD that was released a couple years later and the one band that I would love to see reunite was actually at that show, which is to. To me. Remember still going strong? There's not other love LA between them but would be pretty incredible. Those three original members get together one more time. Thanks for a great show as always and. All that great. Raft about fans like the see ever union of ritual members x t c kind of second phase with Colin moulding, Andy Partridge day, Couric, Gregory. Terry chambers. I saw them one. I'd love to that lineup again. Also the cares. I never saw them when they were touring and they were such an awesome band. Thanks for the great work by. My name is Keith, and I'm calling from Carver Carolina, and a band, that I would pay crazy amounts of money to see get back together as a Banco jellyfish, and they were from the early nineties in San Francisco. They were amazing psychedelic pob just Queen Beatles, influence super harmonies. They recreated their stuff perfectly like this beautiful the way that they were able to do the harmonies live, and they just put out and and, and quit. And I would go nuts if they got together again, but still milk, their second album masterpiece. But just a lot of their stuff is really amazing. All right. Thanks guys. This is John. I'm listener in Alameda, but I grew up in southern California in Orange County and I just heard the paisley underground show and it's faith back to high school. I learned about dream syndicate from reading Robert Hilburn and the LA times. And when he described the band music, I had to go out and get the client and roses immediately. So thanks very much. Keep listening, hi, films. Peter elsa. Reto california. I just actually I had to stop to your show on the paisley underground. I just heard Jim de regardless very strange statement. And I'm very confused. Davis. California is not a suburb of Los Angeles. If Davis California's valet, then, guess you might say Morgantown Virginia is a suburb of Chicago. They're like four hundred miles apart. Maybe more. California kind of flabbergasted. Yeah. No more messaging to give us your opinions on sound opinions. 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