June 18: A gushing speech


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vancouver area first nation will not stop fighting leading the charge for more serious charges three years senator lillian dick has pushed her stiffer penalties for those who commit violent crimes against indigenous women and the feds are finally following her advice closing arguments the head of cutbacks english school boards tells us enforcing the provinces new law banning religious garb in the workplace won't just be difficult it will be cast standard procedure or cluster buttle double historians of shocks the peer trudeau's secret file was destroyed by canada's intelligence service which claims it didn't meet the criteria keep it around jumpstart it's no guts no glory exit colorful kelly fish which can survive a trip to his swans digestive system and come out of that feathered rear end ready to end pennies envy the world gas and arizona man reveals a project he's been working on for three years a glorious recordbreaking pyramid made made up of more than a million usa pennies as it happens the tuesday edition radio guess is that might seem like an odd project but it makes a surprising amount of sense justin trudeau has given the goahead to the trans mountain pipeline project the prime minister made the announcement this afternoon at a news conference in ottawa and he said his government followed the court's order to consult we listened the community concerns and we are acting on community ideas were working wis indigenous peoples dakota develop an implement real accommodation measures to make are environment are coast in our communities safer healthier better protected then ever before we have approached this decision with an open mind from the very beginning and now it's time to take the next step today i'm announcing that are government has newly approved the trans mountain expansion project going for that was prime minister trudeau this afternoon in ottawa giving the green light to his government's trans mountain pipeline project but charlene alex doesn't think mr trudeau should be quite so confident ms alec is a spokesperson for the sleigh what choose nation sacred trust initiative we reached her in vancouver is alex we just heard prime minister trudeau say that he's listened to communities he's worked with some he's approached them the whole issue with an open mind and now it's time to take this next step what do you see him without a doubt i feel on behalf of our nation it's no surprise that they would approve their own project an were really feeling the days of a couple of years ago but also from some many generations a federal government saying that they've consulted in that they spoke with the indigenous both that they've listened in that they've tried their best to mitigate any of their concern but they're gonna go ahead and get what they want to build a pipeline you say there's been no meaningful consultation the trudeau government argues that it has engaged in meaningful consultation at says it's done it's complied with the federal court of appeal ordered it do you just mentioned a few years ago deja vu but it says that it's done everything it has to do what did that consultation look like to you it was the same as the first round of consultation with a limited time and a a pre measured questions all geared towards the government approving an not digging deep into the concerns that we had put on the table and that we had handed over we knew in hearts and we could see that the shipper a traffic and damage to the end let 'em we knew in iheart those risks existed but we got reports on documents to support that scientifically unprofessionally professionally and it feels like 'em that landed on deaf ears is there anything they could have said anything they could have done to change that will convince due to allow this pipeline go ahead that question in 'em was asked me earlier on today and i said it doesn't matter who loans that are where it's running along it doesn't change the consistency of what's in the pipeline and that we deem team as as a huge risk fritz of people trying to act out our life as indigenous peoples in are territory as a detrimental 'em thing that will damage in do irreparable damage to the ecosystem that we've tried so hard to help bring back and nourish to a healthy state so and also the shipping sorry i'm so sorry this is my villains does the if it's if it's been two men you don't want if it's carrying benjamin you don't want it yeah it at investing in a fossil fuel pipeline that come straight into the sailor sea is 'em yeah so it's not just a bit too many is any product any fossil fuel coming to that is one part that's one part 'em if i could say one thing that that would be one thing 'em there's many other points that i could make that that doesn't make this save project at there's too much risk and so again is there anything they could do is say that would convince you that this is okay 'em flow water through it i get it so really know as long as it's going to have fossil fuels and matter what it is my what's consistency state that you would oppose that yes yes it okay what you're up against as you know is that they they're saying this is in the national interest trust you have indigenous communities nations who are saying they're buying into it they're going to a set up they've already set up a corporation set are going to be part of this 'em they're interested in the business part of it they you have a l berta being tired provinces said that it's it's needs a fair price fritz between you have all that up against do how can you stand up to all that how could how could you how could you push back against the kind of tied up against how can i don't when i know the risks that i am asked bear from my family and my children in a way that i look at it the federal government did a very good job with the residential sensual schools in separating and picking a first nations against first nations it's like an economic smallpox happening and 'em to say 'em you're going to be up against another first nation is is is a good example of of the work that they got the federal government 'em who we didn't we didn't ask by brian an were standing up for our 'em inherit right tuned stored over our land and stored over are are territory and we see the risks that will go into the water into the aaron and the noise traffic for are relative the orca whale 'em if we don't voice we we have that right but more of a responsibility to have a voice heard for their sake because they can play out the actions as much as they can that mother killer whale who carried her dead baby around seventeen eighteen days that's how long the fair but no rain more than ever have to keep our voice in opposition to help from but they are they don't sound is indigenous groups who are a nuisance who are saying that they want to be part of this they wanna be stakeholders they want to see prosperity for the communities a they have a they have this this project reconciliation iron coalition different groups whether it's a field they wanna have a stake stake in this they have a stake in it are you saying that they're all co opted they're all being just a used by the trudeau government i'm saying they're doing a good job by pitching it roman saying that we we have taken care and we've taken the measures to look at their concerns and 'em having you know done their research they say they're consultation process at in the folsom way 'em way call their bluff we know we know they have not fully looked at our concerns are the risks that slower to put forward with tune extent this is 'em for me personally working in the sacred trust initiative is going to we've always said that we would you know by any measure mean stand in in in our opposition so everything's an option on the table and well take it to leadership will take it to her legal team if we have to we will be watching these alec i appreciate speaking the thank you stay tuned yes thank you surely now it is a spokesperson for the slate what choose nation sacred trust initiative she's in vancouver a now the comeback new law on religious symbols has passed it must be put in the practice and those on the front lines of public schools where some teachers will now be forbidding to where items like headscarves turbans and keep those say enforcing the rules will be messy and ugly leading up to bill twentyone passive some school boards even vow to defy the law russell coleman is the head of the quebec english school boards association fusion we reached him in montreal this you're hoping is you know at the last minute they come back government put in measures in this lodge and make sure it is enforced to designate monitors who could impose sanctions what is that means for schools when it's gonna be a huge challenge but i mean we sort of begin from the principle that this bill is just gonna be very difficult if not impossible of course you have different categories of employees he's in a public schools will be permitted or not permitted to wear religious symbols you have now a a sort of a definition of what his religious symbol which leads to a great deal of interpretation the premier for example was was asked because it covers jewelry where they're a wedding ring is considered a religious symbol an initially really couldn't answer and so definition is if a person consider something themselves to be religious symbols and that's not to be worn specter of principles and vice principals wandering home on public offering back carter around and cardinal cohen who is firing her so how does the school actually enforces i mean how do they go about if they say the school principal wants to comply will comply allow what did they what did they do well it's a you know that's a very good question it's gonna be a huge challenge our association of administrators have already said they find the bill distasteful tasteful and picture if you will a principal her vice principal a walking the halls of a school you know there will be certain employees who can wear religious symbols certain who cannot depending on the category of employment depending on when they were hired and depending on whether they consider what they're wearing could be a religious symbol it's a bit casket ask this this whole thing and it's not something that the school boards wanna get involved in you know there was no problem from my perspective and and you know it runs counter to the values that we teach in our school principals and vice principals not something they wanna do i mean they feel very strongly that the bill is the visit an unnecessary and so you know there's not gonna be a great deal of cooperation i don't thing from administrators in english public schools any enforcement of the legislation we know that there were we covered this that to english school boards adopted resolutions earlier this year that they would not apply bill twentyone that their schools that may be the reason they could that government added these amendments about enforcement in penalties so do you think the school boards will still defy the law well i i think the two scores have to look at it more closely you know these last minute amendments that were introduced during this closure debate may change the dynamic may change the position i think it's premature to tell but you know even the sanctions that seemed to be provided for in the law don't seem to be particularly enforceable i there so you know the whole thing is to use another metaphor a bit of a dog's breakfast and it's just sending the wrong signal as far as we're concerned it's you know it's already seem to be having dampening effect on how people feel about their religious precepts and and you know wanting become teachers boats projecting and open intolerant quebec so all of those things mixed in make this a very a very sad day for public education including how does it affect hiring not just the teachers but they i mean you have school monitors lunch monitors there's people who volunteer i mean what what effect does it have on disability to put people to work in schools right so you know they odd thing is the provisions of the bill apply only to teachers in the school systems the teachers vice principals and principles suppose so the new hires in those categories will be informed if they must respect the law but you know you could have school monitors you're gonna have a school daycare workers in the same building down the hall who who are authorized to wear these religious symbols and that's part of the challenge it you know we have felt carols at and i think can be demonstrated that are schools have been secular for decades now and quebec english school boards association sociation believes in the secular nature of of public school but to go from that to say but everybody who works there certain category of employees who work in schools a half to be secular an appearance is not logical and it's it's a bridge too far what in fact this have on the kids and the children who are in this environment to must feel this tension must know if their teacher comes in wearing a hit job or turban or keep a that there is this this issue what effect is it have on this kid's right so there's already been some anecdotal evidence for the parents for example the some younger students have had picked up some of the elements of this debate and said you know why is miss so and so not welcome in our school lies mr so and so if he could see where's the turban why would he not be welcome in the classroom and so children not to students they're not impervious to stimuli around them they picked up some of these issues and are reflecting back their concerns which you know are the these are wonderful teachers and wonderful people who devoted to their profession and don't wanna be put in a position where they have to decide between various precepts of their face and there are chosen profession of teaching people and what effect might have on the kids and their regard for other kids to my other their fellow people who might be wearing he jab to keep us or where turbans right go through the whole notion of what kind of society are we are we are welcoming open intolerance aside which i believe quebec is by the way so i think this legislation generally is a bit antithetical to that decision of an open tolerant and inclusive quebec society and so it's bound have some effect you know the government says it won't it shouldn't but we're already seeing for example a students in various faculties of education going you know if you force me they make this choice i will not become a teacher in quebec canada at a time when there's a teacher shortage and we need to recoup professionals professionals we need teachers and we need teachers from a variety of cultural and religious background because we believe that enriches the classroom experience and then richest quebec you know this bill is sending the wrong signal in that regard we will we will be following this guy is open thank you pleasure talking to you russell coleman is the head of the comeback english school boards association he's in montreal a there are the mighty pyramids of giza which into the royalty of ancient egypt there's the pyramid of the sun intel to your con mexico now there's another great structure a new testament to the limits of human achievement the penny pyramid and corey nielsen's garage the past three years mr nielsen has been working to beat the guinness world record for largest coin pyramid it you know believes he goes piled is pennies high enough to meet that lofty goal we reached corey nielsen in phoenix arizona has it fails and has completed the largest pyramid in the world made entirely of coins it's say relief for sure hard to believe that finished but a very good feeling okay so that's leads us to the logical question why did you build any gigantic penny pyramid because i originally had opened up my big mouth and commit to a project without knowing all the details of the work that would be involved in my office and home i had a little pyramid of about forty one thousand pennies had taken pictures shares shown some colleagues at work and they had question now all set the world record i said you know i don't know but if it isn't i'll i'll make sure it is and then i find out just how big the world rickard really was but i had already committed to it so i start building it and i enjoy doing it is a good stress reliever wet wet could you have to have to break in order to have any hearing well originally i was under they assumption that the world rocket was only six hundred and twenty six thousand seven hundred eighty pennies from a guy named tom happy out of denver colorado but i assume learned there after the actual world record was built in lithuania that was a million nine hundred ninety three pennies how many pennies near pyramid i have one million thirty thousand three hundred and fifteen did you count it did i keep a spreadsheet nfl and so i know exactly to the petty where i'm at how many hours a week where you in your garage working on this i would say realistically probably twenty twenty hours what did you think of this a she supportive above it she a stays out of the way and just looks at it every once in a while tells me is bigger and i keep building on it but she's she's on board where did you get the penny from my credit union here in town had approximately thirty thousand page donated over the three years but he other one million i bought it on my own okay so you have a lot invested in these chinese a little bit you know it's a it's not gonna make me a break me but certainly was this is a official through the guinness book of world records then i'll i'll go ahead and get the pyramid turned into a cash in a by credit is already volunteered to sign over there armored cars and helped me without having did you ever have any concerns 'cause it's not glued down at all right there just stacked did you know there's a concern is always in the back of your head hoping that there's never any earthquakes or tremors or some freak accident but no because the the perimeter so so heavy i mean there's just rock solid it's not gonna move you know so what have you chip kelly other knocked it over some dog died in there and jumped on it i mean there is like that's what i was thinking yeah you know in in walking around it so proud of myself in the beginning i had never dropped a penny i'd never kicked it everything pyramid is in a span of three weeks i managed to bump into a three of the corners knock some tiny's help but i just put him back in the urban never in jeopardy or anything like that now we they're finishing product when you eat we'll direct people to be able to see the video about this but at the finished product is quite interesting 'cause you have this kind of diamond diamond pattern and the penny so there's two different tones in it how did you manage to do that well the shiny pennies that you see are brand new pennies right from the amount they they're reinventing the circulation and the darker patterns that you see are pennies it had been in circulation but are dirtier or more warn the normal penny so as out of sorting through the pennies on the plaza darker ones knowing that i would need them from my outside pattern but you could imagine you're spending that much time building permit you have a lot of thoughts going through had you're doing a lot of thinking so i had a lot of patterns kind of flashing through my head and i decided to go with this one and thankfully it worked out justice i had envisioned it would vision was okay i'm thinking you got teased a lot of people stop by your garage and say penny slots corey you know dolan in my neighborhood or this area knows about it it's been kept a secret refer you know because of the value now my coworkers and colleagues they're completely supportive you know they talk about it all the time you know there'll be a couple of pennies on the keyboard here and there so i was never achieved or harassed or anything like that but it wouldn't have mattered you know if you're in canada you couldn't do this because we don't have pennies anymore you'd have to do now the quarters diagnosing by understanding and in fact a i pulled out a lot of canadian pennies in building the paramedics i just want to use you as pennies you you wouldn't allow any canadian pennies pyramid well what's the guinness book world rutgers part of their stipulation are you you have to use the same currency they can't be mixed currency it can't be mixed coins it has to be all the same so what's next you know i am entertaining an idea in will be negotiation truth one of the local casinos here but i would like very much to build a pyramid out of quarters a little over a million dollars worth of course a little over four point one million quarters orders but i like to do it in a public forum you know under heavy security for the public and see it being constructed daily wow but don't do that new garage okay no no of course not too much money all right well good luck with the pyramids there corey well thank you very much for the time you get me and it's certainly a pleasure speaking with you all right take it is well cora nielsen believes he now holds the world record for largest just coin pyramid we reached him in phoenix arizona as mentioned it to see a time lapse video mr nielsen's penny pyramid check out our website cbc dot c h slash hey i h for years independent senator lillian dick has been pushing for harsher sentences and says for those who attack indigenous women now in the wake of the report into the missing and murdered the government is finally acting yesterday justice minister david lumet he said ottawa will adopt changes requiring judges to consider stiffer penalties for violent crimes against indigenous women summer worried about the fairness of that decision senator dick is welcoming in fact she proposed amendments we reached her in ottawa senator dick why should those who commit acts of violence against indigenous this women why should they be treated differently by the courts well the way it is now the families have told us and we actually have some data that demonstrate when it's a female aboriginal victim at least for homicide that the charges are downgraded more options so it's more off the bat slaughter as opposed to second degree murder first degree murder and also in at the female aboriginal victim the time that the perpetrator gets until until they get girls sexually shorter so there's there's definitely some looks like some kind of systemic discrimination within the justice system so by drawing attention to it in making aboriginal female identity essentially essentially aggravating factor that it ensures that they aboriginal female victim is given a consideration treated more fairly you you have been trying to get this into law for some years now you you push for this back in twenty fifteen why why wasn't resisted why was it rejected then you just in fact it was just earlier this year that was defeated well with defeated in april and i i think that the main obstacle has been was up until the report came out and national inquiry was that of course people are used to be section seven eighteen to we of the criminal code which is called the glad to provisions wherein were all offenders especially aboriginal fenders the court tries to find a way to diverge thee pander to treatment other than in prison but you know addiction treatment or some other way because we all know that unfortunately are prisons are full of aboriginal original vendors in this way to try to produce the the numbers and the time that aboriginal will fender spend in prison but that provision has worked against all aboriginal victims essentially because it's only for the perpetrator so so that wesley optical but the testimony from chief commissioner bowler that the legal unconstitutional affairs committee that was very clear that that provision the god who prevention act to be outlets in order to get fair treatment for indigenous female victims as well as for gender diversity people but if you're already said it suggested i mean i mean domestic violence against indigenous women is quite often the perpetrators are indigenous men who are already dramatically drastically overrepresented in the prison yesterday so it's just not enough inevitably if there are stiffer sentences for this violence against women and longest sentence is just not not just mean there'll be more indigenous men in prison well it could be but the judge could also i mean there's a period of factors that have to be taken into account but on the other hand why should it be shorter sentence with his with his aboriginal female victim how could it possibly simply be fair to an aboriginal female victim when she assaulted by an aboriginal mail and he'd get some kind of special consideration but she doesn't isn't quite often though that they these circumstances the judge the justice system considers is that they would ever be offender has gone through that perhaps i'm some kind of addiction assistance some sort of restorative justice yeah thing more like 'em dig the original view of justice is more more healing a more appropriate that's what it's supposed to do but unfortunately i don't think that that's actually the case that although the glider provisions were put into law see these alternative programming has not been put into place to allow that diversions into addiction treatment or into a you know sort of treatments for sex offenders and that kind of thing soviet so the facility programs and that should be they're not necessarily their aunt for victims of sexual abuse is probably especially when it's a an intimate partner you also need to protect the safety of those women so one of the best ways to protect them is to take that he the user away and put him in prison otherwise the woman could still be victimized we should also note that when it comes to a murder we don't know about sexual assault when it comes to the murder of female we did you meet male victim is a pick something like a third of the people who murdered indigenous females are not indigenous it's about two thirds of digits and what they're not a case sorry are those saying the other non indigenous offenders are they getting the same a reduced sentences the same treatment as they as they aboriginal sanders club in the upper right corner to you see the perpetrators in in total in fact we did try to separate us would according to non indigenous in a ditch and his perpetrators the numbers are small but in the case where it was in did stick to be a years to pre roll were boat half what they were winning was a non indigenous just so they're so complex gender race interaction but depending on the gender and race of both the victim apple perpetrator if i understand you're saying it's possible it's not just that they that taking the justice system takes into consideration indigenous a principles in order to have a lighter sentence might also be there is this built in bias against the indigenous victims yes and you know it's up one of the things that a one it's it's it's really a indigenous bar association i think with catherine hensel a she put on the record that indigenous women unlike like any other woman in canada or in a unique position because a call it ization because of indian residential schools if there is unfortunately a very negative stereotypes about indigenous you know in unfortunately thinks the commode halloween a and this last halloween there were it'd be just a digit this women who were like pocahontas but with the bullet through her forehead happening there were seen as disposable dispensable defensible sexually available it if you sexually assault and murder them then nobody cares senator dick i i appreciate speaking this you thank you you're most welcome have a good day you to william dick isn't independent the senator from scratch one she wasn't on a on who he was known as the grandfather of canadian craft beer this week friends and family of john mitchell are raising a glass and saying farewell to the bruins pioneer mr mitchell died this this past sunday at the age of eighty nine he was born in singapore and raised in england before coming to canada when he was twenty four his love of british ails spurting diko found horseshoe bay brewing in vancouver in nineteen eighty two it's widely regarded as canada's first first microbrewery and it was their end at the troll their public cross the street the mr mitchell in his partners pioneer their methods and debuted their bay ale in the years since mr mitchell continued advocated for the craft beer industry and his fellow brewers from nineteen eighty two here is john mitchell giving the cbc a tour of the brewery and the brewing process what you're seeing here is just a small very everything is in this room was manufactured hindi kennedy except for tanks we did bring from and britain but this is a bouquet although it's lined with world stainless steel as installation that only is a glorified a source from the fire underneath it weaken brew two hundred gallon bashes inherited time and we bring the world's took to be a hundred and sixty degrees in here that means somebody across to the smashed done an one we've got about a hundred and seventy guns in here we move the grinder in position mill and we grind a multiday bali and crystallized bonnie and so it's pure malted bali in here it stays in the mashed on an hour and a half until only a hot water is extracted all the wars in the syrups and sugars from the grain within pump it back to the cat home where we bring it to the boil at a hawks boil it until we get what we call a good break and that is the protein is is has been flag elated or liam a foil is have been extracted from the hops it's pump fence through a heat exchanger which drops the temperature from about two twelve boiling point down to about seventy degrees it's a party of nick unit this comes from new zealand and it's brought them new zealand famas used folks who have no found him it's being pumped there as you see into they say they're still fermenters over here where remains ends in fermentation five days when fermentation ceases it's pumped into this room over here where they fans of running and put into these conditioning tanks but some other team to settle out to clarify for one week and then we pump it from there into the cakes we kick up on the on the floor where we add sugar and a little more guillotine the terrified of the sugar stimulates the secondary fermentation to generate the seventy nashville c o two from there it's remains in the cake for a week and then from there it goes to the nsf from nineteen eighty two that's craft beer pioneer john mitchell speaking to the bbc's greg middleton mr mitchell died this past sunday he was eighty nine man oh man and when a when it comes to pierre trudeau it turns out will never know what we didn't know recently the canadian press requested the secret cold war dossier prepared by domestic intelligence agents on the former prime minister to their surprise the canadian security intelligence service replied that they didn't have it in fact you'd have been destroyed by the agency back in nineteen eighty nine johnny english is a historian who wrote in authorized biography of pure trudeau we reached him in toronto john what did you think when you learn that canada's spy agency destroyed the secret sound here to do where lebron's astonished like couldn't believe it happened but obviously a dead and a the reasons they gave her the destruction where be frank rather unconvincing did you know there was such a file oh yes yes it would have been it would've been files on trudeau very obviously because he was prime minister in their security considerations but before he was prime minister he was he was someone not the security officials would have looked at and we knew that there isn't extensive f b i file on trudeau started when he first visit the soviet union the nineteen fifty two it was just very likely that would have been a rather fat file on brutal i mean this would be a cold war era that report right so what that would be in there what would be well because now some of the politicians quite would seem quite silly and surprising so what do you think would would have been a concern at the time well i think a interesting f be i started in nineteen fifty one in puppy there's some earlier material on trudeau because of his involvement against the second world war clearly that was something that's officials would have watched but in nineteen fifty one he planned a trip to the soviet union and hoover starting to watch him then in the canadians would have done the same thing and then he went to moscow met are excellent embassador there robert ford and argued for a middle way between communism and capitalism better the wife of one of the american embassy officials there and she said i thought you were communist and he said yes i am but i'm also a roman catholic and then he taught her remarks that were payrolls all the soviet union but she reported it to the american embassy hurt forward or devoted the next day had of course of his trudeau being this outrageous best but i am absolutely certain that we know the hoover took it seriously i'm equally certain in the canadian officials the troops but he also wasn't just the soviet union in moscow i mean he had he had in quite a romantic view of china uncritical of nazi tone he of course cuba at fidel castro his friends if you're a red above his head and he he did to her china with chucky bear famously but also the most madeleine prompt the great left wing organizers in quebec who stopped by rcmp to be a marxist which practically she was and he associated with people on the left and he would have been identified by certain factors what they heard saint pete certainly is sympathizer risk pools those views and as you said he took his famous boat trip to cuba and that whatever heroes suspicion to fuck i guess is the fire was very but now you know a lot of this you know you've you've researched it you're you're volumes on to delaware are fascinating so you have this information anyways what was there anything in how do you think that you wouldn't have known i think there probably was curl i can't imagine what it would have been i discovered in his own papers but he went to a psychiatrist in paris in nineteen forty seven very i'm gonna psychiatrist to and he kept the record's of the consultation and that was a great importance and understanding his personality pierre trudeau contains multitude and my guess is something would have been there that would have been of interest but i can't put myself in the mind of the person who's the person who destroyed doesn't i talked to senior arc of us and they said normally in a situation like this is a national arc of us would have been consulted after all pierre trudeau but not insignificant significant triggering traveling look maybe more but now she says it destroyed defile back in nineteen eighty nine because they fell short of a legal threshold for retention at at some level is not is not encouraging bit of news that they they they wouldn't keep something that they they felt that was a to this invasion of privacy should never should not be retained mean isn't that a good thing perhaps well it'll make their decision i looked up the national archives i consulted with senior out of his form archivist and they disagree with that point of view and the national archives acts makes it clear the material involving a significant personality should be retrained it could only be destroyed with your permission from the national park of florida clearly was not come forward because she says sin rcmp where austin at loggerheads and that they 'em ceases didn't didn't look kindly how they rcmp security services when do you think they just decided well it was a kind of criticism of how they are cynthia done they work i think you may have something they're one of the young historians have commented a stephen f c of carlson and said he looked through truer three of the files on political leaders and what it says about the people who were doing the investigating it's far more damaging than what he said about the individual and i think that may be the case here that the individuals vigils who made the decision to the violence on isn't this embarrassing i have a great suspicion stuff about homosexuality which of course with illegal until pierre trudeau came along and rumors of homosexuality and trudeau were were common common in the nineteen sixty eight campaign in the newspaper in quebec and floated ryan openly stated he was not a homosexual quite extra so my guess is that type of thing did appear in the filing they did mention privacy that might have been something in the minds of individual this is this is private details about a truth on and maybe one could imagine they individuals let's destroy this stuff about women he dated who might they've been a security risk and maybe that's why they destroyed the because of that but still it's unfortunate but it's a very unfortunate decision the spy agency does not belong in the bedrooms in the nation i guess that's well put john thank you thank you we reached john english in toronto we requested comment from ceases any agency responded in part quote during the review of the file in nineteen eighty eight ceases assess whether the retention tension of the record's in question was required under the seizes act it was interviewed against the criteria set by the public archives of canada when it was then determined to not meet the criteria ceases permanently destroyed the file in nineteen eighty nine unquote and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then the the the the the the banking and then and then and then you're not the not the not the not the not the the on the on the the annual on the mound in in in in in in london and it has been said the journey is more important than the destination that is supposed to encourage us to persist and overcome obstacles and that's all fine and dandy unless you're a kelly fish egg then that journey may include being eaten by a swan traveling through what's the justice system and if you're lucky reemerging in one hoop where you may one day hatch and thrive that's according to an international team of researchers who just published a study in the journal ecology among them is andy green professor with the spanish council for science we reached him in oxford england professor green i guess is finding the best in a bad situation and then there is searching shoe swan poop for fish embryos so what what motivated this study well a i've been interested for a long time in understanding what kind of organisms that she could move around inside waterfowl especially things like fish that don't have the ability to jump between lakes on the road but also plug some florida and bruce bruce willis shrimp situation we know the seeds from plants can move around to all kinds of animals and birds right so that they they eat the seeds of other plant and then they knew seeds ended up growing 'em someplace else because of the poop so what made you think that she might be for animals is well well 'cause i've been working in this area for a long time and it's the most frequent question i've had over the years is whether or not fishkill move around the five boroughs and then it just turned out the we did he find some eggs in some frozen poop and then that really gave us the evidence of the might be something going on you just happen to be looking to that pooper stupidly acsi looking for fishing be as well when we collect poop we generally take a look to see what all kinds of things we could find in that so i thought time we're really looking to see what kind of puns could a come through and then we're selection is expertly whether you're looking at these these eggs is fish embryos were eaten by the swans and they went to the whole digestive tract went out to the poop i mean why did they get adjusted well because digestion a it's not a perfect pro says so far any organism including humans it's more efficient to eat regular intervals and digest food postrally ltd volume for how much food combi inside in tough teams right and the longer it's in the the less efficient the digestion become so that she works out to be better to get the food going through quite quickly digest all easy stuff in the heart of stuff that comes so there's a run and it is your job to find out what comes out the other end yeah basically on from time to time some somebody's gonna get through most of them get digested i mean we when the experiment we used six hundred x is only five others have before she she came alive okay so five canine live how many maxi hatched just walk a it is a bit of a mazing living but we had a phone infection in the lab and this particular kind of fish to take a long time to develop so if if they were a fish the only took a few days to have some probably all five of the post even looking at killing fish right that's right but known fern ability to survive in the mode with upon dries out so the maybe pops more resistant to digestion and examples of fish lady and so in this case you found that was too but then do you think other fish ambience fish eggs could actually survived that journey a i think it's certainly worth looking into the on the we do hope to them or experiments with a face just to try and find out how widespread this process is why does it matter well because you know biodiversity is under threat on what the climate crisis is becoming increasingly important the species to move quickly from one place to another especially sort of towards the polls you know in the north north woods movement in they open hemisphere of temperatures increase so most of these organisms won't be able to move fast enough let's take a look at how from the boat so we really need to know what kind of over those kind of move with the coach is it also tell you how sometimes fish could end up in another place where i it is no logical stream them to have moved to absolutely so a lot of people who work with fisher often experience defining in places where they can't explain how the got them without reason the husband a lot of speculation after decades about whether or not eggs come get stuck on the outside of the it's would oppose people following the because she will in southern but again i guess they the problem is is sometimes invasive species very strong species like killing fish and i guess carpet i'm also thinking vantage of this of carriage system wow that's something we have to look at a fisher is is possible the invasive species can also spread in this way but again that's another reason for doing the research right so we really try to understand stunned and predict how alien species spread what do you want to find out next what's the next new research well right now we're looking at all kinds of of of plans for example what's interesting evening in in canada for example is the question you know how many how many of the plants a move inside but it's because most of the textbooks only talk about the problem so she had a berry you know a fresh fruit and what we're finding is the water following a massively important dispense with a whole range of punts but we need to really identify which ones yeah so we need to build up a list so we're working very hard with that and as you said we're also going to start to look fish a very possibly play a look at a cop themselves to see whether or not they can dispose a through the boats well she gave us a whole new appreciation is one poop yeah it doesn't smell bad that's nowhere near as bad as the poop green thank you thank you my pleasure andy green is a visiting professor with the spanish council science we reached him in oxford england you've been listening to be as it happens podcast our show can be heard monday to friday on cbc radio one sirius xm following the world at six you can also listen to the whole show on the web just go to cbc dot c h slash h and follow the links to our online archive

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