June 14, 2019: Bill Gates On Tech And Privacy; Trump Blames Iran For Tanker Attack


This message comes from here and now sponsor indeed. If you're hiring with indeed, you can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard. Get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. President Trump says Iran did it. He says, Iran carried out the attack onto oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman, yesterday. The president made the statement during a nearly fifty minute interview on FOX and friends this morning. You're no they did it because you saw the boat. I guess one of the mines didn't explode, and it's probably got essentially Iran written all over it. And you saw the boat at night, trying to take to mine off, and successfully took the mind off the vote, and that was exposed. And that was that was Dan, President Trump is referring to rather grainy video released by the US military that purportedly shows Iranian special forces, removing and unexploded mind from the side of one of the damaged oil, tankers, Assan Ruhani, Iran's president denied that Tehran had anything to do with the attacks Jim Walsh is here now security analyst. He's with us acuity studies program at MIT. Hello, jim. You're gonna be with you. So set this up for us, what exactly happened between these two tankers? In the Gulf, and what led up to it. Well, what happened is we've had two attackers from two different countries. That were disabled by mines now there's still some dispute about that. The Japanese owner of one of the tankers said that he believed based on, I witness testimony from his staff, that a shell or projectile of some kind had a hit his ship, and there's a debate, you know, could it be torpedo was it a floating? Mine was an attach mine. I mean, the video sort of suggests that if the video was real that it's an attachment. So we've had two tankers disabled, no one killed no one injured the but this isn't a broader context, you'll remember few weeks ago, another couple of tankers were attacked. And then really the starting point for all this, if we really are trying to get to the origins, is it the US adopted a policy. President Trump's policy of maximum pressure, including trying to drive Iran's oil exports to zero the president's trying to strangle, Iran economically destroy its economy and surprise. Prize rather than simply lying on the ground in saying, kick me, again, you know, it may be that Iran is pushing back now it may be that, there are others who are responsible for this is a so called false flag operation. But I just don't think you know, we have enough information to be able to assess that at this point. But if these two tankers neither of these tankers were flagged to the United States. So why would Iran want to attack to d- had nothing to do with Donald Trump presumably, of course? So the, the reason is that Iran has said for again, if it is Iran, Iran set for some time that if it's denied the ability to export oil on the Persian Gulf, then no one is going to be able to export. These are their words not mine. And it's a way for them to sort of raise the cost of this maximum pressure policy, that's being enforced upon them by trying to basically scuttle or at least interrupted any kind of oil flow. I mean in some ways this is like a fight, you know, at a sporting event, some guy throws a punch the other guy retaliates the recipes sees the guy retaliating and calls the foul. Now, of course, no one should be punching anyone and no one should be killed, you know, hurting tankers in the Gulf. But the reason why we are here in the first place is that we're trying to deny Iran, any ability to export its main the backbone of its economy, which is oil. Well, in the case of sports is usually a pretty good quality video in this case, there is a rather grainy video, which you have seen does tell us anything, you know, I don't think it tells you that much. It is grainy. You can't really tell the density of the people I mean you know if it was a false flag. Again, I've some doubts about this. You know, people would be in a boat in uniform that were of the country. They were trying to implicate. It's weirdly cropped. It's sort of starts way you know, we don't see the bona coming. We only see the video of someone trying to remove something. And then we don't see where the boat goes afterwards. So hardly conclusive, but I. I would urge our listeners to to not focus on this. This is sort of the equivalent of a horse race coverage for politics who's ahead who's behind in this case, it's the who done it who, who is responsible for this. And we have this exciting grainy video, this is a distraction. The question is not who the question is, why, why is this happening and it's happening because we're pursuing a policy that's intended to strangle, Iran. Iran is pushing back and if we continue down this path, we're going to end up in yet another war in the Middle East. That's the big question. Why are we doing this? So I wonder if you can answer that, because at the same time that the president is blaming Iran. He's also talking about negotiating with Iran. So he's gone back and forth on this. Right. I when he announced these pointing out of the deal where we wanted to go ship. We're, we're not ready to do it then a couple of weeks ago when we had a couple of incidents. He said, call me, you know, he gave out his phone numbers at call me imagine you're in a relationship a business relationship, a family relationship. Integration ship, and you have a commitment with someone. And that's the person walks out on the commitment and not only walks out insults. You threatens you hurt. You threatens your allies and tries to steal all the money out of your Bank account, and then they say, call me come for dinner. Yeah. I mean, do you think the United States, the President Trump wants a military confrontation with the rum? I don't think the president has a strategic bone in his body. And so I think they're days when he said, no, I don't wanna get tangled up in a war in the Middle East, and then they're going to be other days when he says, I need to hit back. I just, I there's nothing in this presidencies that suggested me through curvier that suggests strategy. I think he's all season himself a counterpuncher it goes with the gut. I don't think he has a plan. I think there are other people in the administration who have a plan, you know, the national security adviser, and the secretary of state have called for regime change in the past. So I think you know. Anything could happen on any given day. And, but the general trend is towards accidental or intentional war in, you know this part of the world, very well on the chances of this happening happening accidentally some kind of confrontation. Well, what happens is something happens. And then each side feels compelled to respond to save face or each side feels well if I take it up a notch the other side will back down and some ways President Trump sort of encourage the Iranians to have that view because when this whole thing went down again two weeks ago, he sort of caved, sorta rushed to say, oh, I want to talk. I wanna talk well what did the how do they think about that? They probably thought any of this guy's a softy, and then they do something, and then you're off to the races. So that's why it's so dangerous Jamal's here. Now security analysts with the security studies program at MIT. Nice to have you here. Good to be with you to Europe now where the rise of populism is changing the political landscape across the continent, most far right? Parties are still minor player. In policymaking, but that is not the case in Austria, the far right freedom. Party shared power with conservatives until a scandal brought down the government last month as Joanna kakissis reports. The party is still popular and could make a comeback. When the government smell last month some of the loudest cheers at a celebration in Vienna. Came from Carlita coats on who's part of a group called granny's against the right. We are all older women, and we all experienced different time, an open society. She says that open society changed in late twenty seventeen. When the conservatives invited the far right Freedom Party into government. This gave licensed hateful values radicalism, and antisemitism and racist society in general. It's all moved more to the right and even more to the extreme rides. She leads the crowd in a song about granny's fighting wolves the war is not won. She worries the far right will return after elections. This September despite a recent scandal involving former Freedom Party leader Heinz, Christian Straka. He was forced to resign vice chancellor last month after a twenty seventeen video of him on a Spanish island surfaced. In the video, he seems to be making Lucy deals with a Russian woman, hosing is the niece of an oligarch close to the Kremlin. The tape was a trap and it brought down the government, the scandal shook up the Freedom Party's leadership, but not its affinity for Russia at the nineteen th century era imperial cafe longtime party member Johan is Hubner explains. The worldview, who's an interest to have a balanced worldwide network of allies to be a US colony. The thing is in Europe. There is overwhelming US influence through NATO through the control of the financial system through the media's sued entertainment industry, other far-right parties in Europe, share this pro Russia stance Reinhard Heinisch a political scientist at the university of Salzburg lists other traits in common. They're also an anti-immigration party there an anti foreign. The party. So they are nativist their unabashedly, nationalist. And this means something in Austria, the birthplace of Adolf Hitler. When he comes to interpreting Austin history, there's certainly many in the Freedom Party who see the defeat of Nazi Germany, not as a victory for the Marcus. But see it as the defeat of for their cause many Austrians played a role in the holocaust after Hitler annexed, their country in nineteen thirty eight Austria, though, did not go through the same process of education is Germany. I mean, it wasn't anti-nazi political consensus in the years of the nineteen forty five, but that was never a consensus that you cannot call rate, politically with the far-right that's Bernard vitamin or at the documentation centre for the Austrian resistance in Vienna. So the two big parties, they've always been flirting with the far-right, and that, of course, contributed massively to normalize policies of this. Nutty. So today, the Freedom Party enjoys the support of nearly one in five Austrians. Like lead. He's a retired IT administrator who runs a monthly meeting of party faithful at a beer and schnitzel restaurant in the NF Miki that side, we may not have as many members the other parties, yet, he says, but each month we grow for NPR news. I'm Joanna kakissis in VM. Support for here. And now and the following message come from Imber wave the revolutionary new personal thermostat. That's designed to help you find thermal wellness in any situation. Amber wave can put you in control of your comfort in places like you're freezing office uncomfortable airplanes in restaurants, or feeators, after a workout at home and more. Learn more at ember wave dot com and use code NPR to say fifty dollars at checkout, amber. Wave own your temperature. There was an underground culture in New York City during the nineteen eighties. And among its hallmarks were gay and transgendered drag bulls, the FX TV series called pose follows members of New York's drank bowl seen the first season of pose was set in late nineteen eighties and the second season fast forwards to nineteen ninety both cracked the lives of the shows characters during the heat of the aids crisis. NPR's Eric Duggan's has been watching the new season higher. Right. Could you first reintroduce us to the drag ball seen in New York, and who was part of it? Sure. So anybody who knows the Madonna song, vogue, and that video will get a sense of what the drag ball scene was like it was contests where different groups of folks would dress up in these costumes, and it was a way to have chosen family for people who were often rejected by their biological family when they would. Come out as transgender come out as gay posed as a great job of sort of recreating that whole scene giving you a sense of what it felt like to be in the middle weather say that in terms of season one during drag shows that were quote, so fabulous. It'll make your eyes hurt, but that was contrasted with a lot of grit and hardship. And you just alluded to some of that what happens in, in season, two well season sort fast forwards to nineteen ninety and we're in the heart of the aids crisis. The league character impose played by Jay Rodriguez Blanca is HIV positive and in the first episode of the new season, she's talking to her medical professional about the progression of disease, and we get a sense of what people knew what they didn't know about how HIV and aids worked, and her medical professional is played by Sandra Bernhardt. So let's check it out. We've got a clue, so. But it's, it's just a number. It's a way of flagging how much care patient needs. Not I'm feeling fine. I've been amazing actually last winter. When my kids got sick. I didn't have a sniffle at all. I mean, sometimes you can't tell what is doing to your immune system. So I'm dying. No, you're not dying. You still plenty of t cells to fight with. But we can't let those numbers drop any lower and back then there weren't medications available debt could help rebuild your immune system like we have now so it really wasn't death sentence. Yes, it really was a horrific thing that happened to people, and it took longer to figure out what was going on in part, because it was such a stigma attached to getting the disease in the first place, then some official outlets, including the US government were dragging their feet in terms of providing resources for research for treatment. Eric, I to ask you about some of the other actors in, in this series. The show made an icon out of one of its lead actors. Reporter let's listen to a clip of his character, the announcer Pretell, who's getting in the face of a trans woman who didn't show up for a protest concern about winning trophy, then you are about our government spreading lies about us and an effort that. And we're and we're queer. They don't give. So we better start caring about ourselves. So Billy porter has also gained fame for peering on red carpets in tuxedos that then morph into evening, gowns, as I think he did on the Tony awards the other night, I witnessed his finery in person at the Peabody awards, just just last month. The brother bring it. Yeah. Well, I mean, what's amazing what's great about Billy is that he is a bridge between that seen being a person who was there when it was actually happening, and now playing a character in the show. But yeah, there are a lot of great new performers. I mean pose makes history by featuring the most transgender actors and most gay series regular characters in scripted series in mainstream television. So I talked about in Jay Rodriguez who plays block the main character. And there's this powerful scene where Billy Porter's character, and Blanca, go to a place where they are interring unclaimed bodies, you know, the people who died from. Aides or sort of placed in these unmarked graves, just boxes and boxes stacked up in these large holes in the ground in this, the flip side of this joyous celebration that the drag ball, competitions are, and it perfectly sort of encapsulates, the two worlds that the series is negotiating. It's, it's really an amazing thing to see it in mazing thing to see recreated. If you're old enough to remember what it was, like when it was happening the series is called pose. It's entering its second season on FX before we let you go, where the weekend is upon us. Do you have any picks for good viewing over the weekend? There's an interesting series called city on a hill that starts on Showtime, featuring Kevin bacon as this corrupt FBI cop in Boston. And if you have extra time you can always go back and see when they see us on net flex people are still talking about it. You know, some people are losing jobs, and resigning from positions over the impact from the series which retails the story, the central park five from their perspect-. Tive. There's a lot of great stuff out there. That's come to television, the last couple of weeks. So it's, it's good time to catch up NPR critic, Eric Diggins. We have our assignment, thank you very much. I've always of leisure, and here's a taste of what it sounded like last night in Toronto. Toronto Raptors fans going wild as their team beat the Golden State Warriors one fourteen to one ten to win the NBA championship. This is the first time a team from outside the US has won the NBA title. And in fact, it's the first major sports title for a Canadian team in a quarter century, the CBC's David common joins us now from Toronto, David, I hear you were out on the streets last night with people celebrating this victory did Candida like wake up with one big hangover today. Yeah. I think absolutely. And I would say it's not just the city of Toronto. This really was across country thing that reviewing parties in stadiums and arenas and homes in bars and restaurants from coast to coast to coast, like even into a are Arctic region that when people up and loud and excited, but certainly on the streets, hundreds of thousands of people who'd either been in Jurassic Park outside the arena, where the raptors normally play or had themselves been at home or or wherever, and we're just overjoyed. Yeah, I bet know I was going to say in the United States when a team wins the championship it's it's a victory for the city or the state where that team plays. But as you say, this is a a, a win for the entire country. Can you talk more about just how captivated all of Canada was, you know, I think there's a lot of bandwagon people. I'm certainly a bandwagon person. I do go to raptors game. But like one season and I don't know all the stats and all the players and everything about them. I certainly know a lot more now. And I would I would suggest there's a lot of people right across the country who are like that. But at the same time in the Toronto area itself, I kind of look back to nineteen ninety two when the Toronto Blue Jays won the World Series for the first time in many ways that was the moment where we said, you know, Toronto were we could be a world, class city Canada. We can actually compete here. It was this sort of an inferiority complex thing going on. And there was a little bit of that, as well with the raptors but the city has changed so much since the Jays one that. World series. It's grown by two million people and the kinds of people are different. It's much more diverse. You know much richer as a result. And so to look at, on the street compared to when I was in, like early high school back in nineteen Ninety-two to today. It just looks different. Same kind of energy much bigger crowd, but a total togetherness, and in a world where we are so divided. It's just nice for people of all backgrounds can be together and hugging each other. And there was that I was on, on the air last night, people were coming up and just hugging. Well, this was a very close game came down to the final seconds. The raptors were playing a team in the warriors that had been to the NBA finals for five straight years did fans feel confident that they could pull this out and win the series. Do you know I think there was a lot greater confidence on Monday for game five? I think there was a feeling of certainty that, of course they had to win at that point, ultimately. They didn't they lost by one point. And so last night, people came into Jurassic Park and other places perhaps, with a lot of hope but with less absolute certainty that this was going to happen. And then as the game, progressed, like it was it was tight through most of the game, even into that final minute a complete nail biter. So where I was in Jurassic Park this, you know, this area, right outside the, the arena. It was, it was tense like it went from really excited to really, really call them to give you an idea Drake. The rim of the rapper whose from Toronto and is this icon for the raptors in his at so many of the games and has been to so many of the games, whether it's in Oakland or here in Toronto through this final series. He was sitting on this stage into route Jurassic Park with his entourage, and he was sitting for most of the game in that final minute. He. He was up. He was up the entire time and dot kind of energy, you felt not just in Jurassic Park, but on an all the surrounding streets, where people had gathered in front of big TV's, hundreds of thousands of people. So the raptors big star quiet Leonard. He was the most valuable player for this series. But he's also a now a free agent. What's the sense? There is, is Leonard staying. We don't want to talk about. We got to talk. Should we just go onto the next? I think the only the only question to co I Leonard here during during the play offs seems to have been if you bought a house in Toronto you bought a house in Toronto yet. In fact, there's a condo developer whose offered in the penthouse suite for free. Come on long as he stays. No. He doesn't need that, but, you know, it gives you the sense of the desire to have this guy, staying not see this team broken up. I don't know what happens. And there'll be lots of talking about that, but it probably won't be till after Monday the victory parade. Yeah. Let the party go on. That's the CBS's David come and speaking with us from Toronto, where I guess, now the question across Canada is when will your NHL teams win a championship. David, thanks so much. No problem. And it doesn't matter as much the country, shifting the country's shifting terms of what it likes. Bow sling season for retailers in the US. The Commerce Department today reported strong gains and sales in may. And this morning's report also revised the March and April numbers upward. That's a good sign for the economy, but experts say there are clouds gathering on the horizon. Mike, Regan is senior editor at Bloomberg news. I Mike, so tell us about the retail numbers. What is driving Americans to shop? More this spring, that consumer element of the economy, which is supremely important is still pretty strong. If you look at unemployment, it remains at an almost fifty year, low consumer confidence was another report that came out today, and those readings remain near some of the highest levels of this century. And also, you have gasoline prices remained pretty tame down a little bit compared to this time last year. So all in all the consumer is a holding firm at this point, despite like you said some uncertainty about other. Elements of the economy. Yeah. So it appears that the higher prices because of tariffs on China are not yet having a fact on consumer behavior. But despite the good news that hasn't stopped Wall Street for mooring Morgan Stanley's, saying, business conditions are on par with two thousand eight the year of the financial crisis that you're at first began tell us more about what they're seeing. So what we're gonna Stanley does is it creates an index. That's basically aggregation of a bunch of different economic signals from the services, part of the economy, the manufacturing part of the economy, and that ever in putting job market and all of them did cool recently. So there gauge of sort of the big picture, did take a big dip. It was actually the, the biggest drop on record. I believe in as you said to the lowest level since two thousand eight so as you pointed out, despite this consumer remaining point there are, what appears to be softening patches in the rest of the economy. A lot of investors are thinking the Federal Reserve would cut interest rates in July to keep the economy. Coming along is still likely it's still appears to be the base case for, for traders, you can sort of suss out the probability of a rate increase, or a rate cut based on what the market for short term interest rates show. And right now it's about an eighty five or eighty six percent probability priced into those markets of a interest rate cut in July. Now that said, not everyone is convinced we just had David Causton of Goldman Sachs on Bloomberg television this week's and he he's not convinced. He's not sure that the fed actually will cut rates between now at the July meeting, and they're really there's a lot that can happen between now and July, so we'll have to sort of stand by and watch wonder what's happening in China because things they're slowing down industrial outgrowth OPEC growth, slowed to its weakest point since two thousand two but it still grew about five percent. How long can China keep growth at a level like that? Right. So obviously, they are feeling some of the facts of the trade tensions with US. Bath remember, China has a lot more flexibility as far as the government responding. And introducing stimulus into the economy just because the way the government is set up there. The, the head of China can can sort of pull a lot of different levers to boost demand in the economy. That would take a lot of political wrangling in the US to, to pull off. So I suspect, China will continue to respond and have the government and of things boost the demand that is, is waning in the private sector could to talk to you, as always Mike. Regan senior editor at Bloomberg news. Thank you, Mike. Thank you. There were some dire predictions yesterday on Capitol Hill about the future of technology. Former FBI special agent Clint wants went before the house intelligence committee to explain the risk of deep fakes or doctored videos on the internet. That appear to be real over the long term delivered development of false. Thank media will target USA officials institutions, democratic processes within enduring goal of earning democracy and demoralized the American constituency in the near in short term circulation of fakes may incite physical mobilizations under false. Pretenses initiating public safety crises, and sparking the outbreak of violence, that he's one of many issues facing tech companies today that have led to calls for more government regulation, and that is why congress is now holding a series of high profile hearings to how does all this look to the man behind one of the original tech giant's Bill Gates is co founder of Mike. Christoph. He's also a philanthropist with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which is an NPR funder, Mr. gates welcome to here now. Thank you. Let's start with the hearings on Capitol Hill this week looking into the power of tech giants like Google Facebook, an Amazon. Do you think these companies are monopolies? Well, there's certainly have high market shares. Some of those they work in and they have impacts on a lot of sectors of the Konami. And then become, you know, key tools for communication and even getting news. So they're important companies so important companies, but how much regulation should the federal government have over these companies is there not enough? Well certainly areas where people are using social media for bullying in where you have of foreign actors doing election related activities in even the companies involved say that given the mainstream role there is room for election related or child protection or privacy, type rules and what is good regulation look like to you. Well, each of those areas complex, you have examples coming out of Europe that you can look at on the privacy front. And some of these areas. It's new ground number of twenty twenty candidates on the democratic side who are running. President of called for breaking up these tech companies. I want to listen to a little bit from, Elizabeth Warren who speaking here in New York City in March, they think they can still up all of our personal data and sell it to whoever they want for whatever purposes, they think they can run their business to just roll right over every small business every entrepreneur, every startup that might threaten their position. And what does our government in Washington? Do nothing. So do you agree with Elizabeth Warren, the some of these companies should be broken up, the generally got laws in the country and you ask companies to adhere to those laws? I'm not aware people are saying that they broken laws in such a way that the remedy would be to do that. It doesn't seem like just going around break companies solves privacy issues. I wanna ask you something else that I heard today. Facebook engineers have created in artificial intelligence system that clones, the voices of famous people, including you. So I wanna play this recording of the Bill Gates AI impersonator. He's reading a phrase that says a cramp is no small danger on a swim. It's, it's, it's a phrase, as you probably know that engineers use to test AI program. So let's listen to that a cramp is no small being jour- on a swim. Okay. So there it is Bill Gates. What do you think about that? Pretty good. Yeah. No, there's no doubt that technology can synthesize speech now. And you have to think we're is that helpful Moore of inappropriate, right? What do you think are you are you concerned with the direction that some technology is taking? Is that is something that, like, what we just heard a, a risk that worries you, if it's used in the wrong way, certainly? The distrust in news media is got to be concerned for everyone in the so-called, the Vache capability could make that worse. These these fake videos, deep fake, they're called you're referring to there. Yeah. Either video video or audio. Yes, listen. I want to ask you about another issue that I know is very important to you. You're headed to Capitol Hill later this month to talk to lawmakers about the Trump administration's proposed cuts to the State Department. What is your concern and have you spoken to the president about this? Well, I think the United States should be incredibly proud, how on a bipartisan basis, the support for health. Aide including pep far which went after HIV in global fund in they've kept over ten million people alive. That would be dead today. They allowed these African countries chance to get their health systems organized to make it less likely that epidemic start in those countries. And so, I think given the strength of the economy, I think the US should at least maintain if not increase these budget items in, I think the congress will override the proposed budget cut. But I'm going there to talk about this because I get to see this work in the field I get to see that. The money is very well spent. And so, I think it'd be a tragedy, if there were were cuts, but in cuts secretary of state, Mike Pompeo has said that cutting back on the aid will allow other countries to be more self reliant. What? What do you think about that? I mean, why should the United States taxpayer be be investing in those sorts of issues? You're saving lives, very small amounts of money, and certainly the global fund is fantastic. Requiring countries to finance, along with the United States as much as they can. But this is government at its best saving lives lifting countries avoiding instability in pedantic would threaten you as citizens. It this was done on a bipartisan basis starting under President Bush, boy, if you, you know, if you can't support this, it's hard to know what you can support, and you've spent something like ten billion dollars on global health initiatives, and I know you spend a lot of money investing on issues in the United States as well. But people ever ask you, you know, why is it that you spend so much time and effort on foreign countries as opposed to some of the issues here in the United States, like are you doing enough? For instance to solve poverty here. Well, I don't think even the us government has solved poverty. We're very involved in US -education, and trying to make sure that no matter what your background is that you get a great education at the same time. You know, we believe that the deaths of children that in a we're up over twelve million a year back in nineteen ninety the fact that that's been cut in half. Now is giving countries in places like Africa chance to grow their economy, and become self sufficient, and so in a we've stepped in and global health is gigantic program for us because we do think those human lives have value. Some Democrats who are running for president have said that there should be a wealth tax tax on the richest Americans is that something you'd be willing to pay. Well, I think taxes can be more progressive. You know if the government's going to take on the increases in. Ical costs and eventually not let the deficit get too big. There are you know, there's a need to find revenue. And I think that can be done in a progressive way a wealth tax particulars is complicated implement, but, you know, if that's part of a progressive tax plan that the country wants then, you know, that's great. Well, what do you think would that impact philanthropy all if, if the richest Americans were paying more money in taxes, they'd be giving more less of their money away to charity? Well, the first thing is to make sure the state, which provides education and health and roads and Justice that it's properly financed to do the things that the voters want it to do whether that leaves room for deductions for philanthropy, people are going to give money no matter what the tax treatment of plant is under certain tax structures, they'd give less, you know, I do think the estate taxes a good tax, you know, could be. Hired that as lead to some in a very good philanthropic giving. But I you got your taxes, and then in the philanthropic impact is comes after that. How closely are you watching of the race for president is in is there somebody that you like so far? I don't follow the speeches of all twenty four candidates, you know, I'm, I'm fairly private about in my political approach because our foundation really. Has engaged in willing, gauge with all all administrations Bill Gates. Thanks for speaking with us. Thank you. That was story that highlights the concerns that many Muslims have about their safety here in the US in may. There was an arson attack on a mosque in New Haven, Connecticut. It came as Muslims were observing the holy month of Ramadan, that arson attack in the recent mass shootings at houses of worship is prompting some leaders to take action officials at another mosque in Connecticut of hired more guards to patrol at Sunday school. And as a Connecticut public radio's of an Esa dilatory reports students there aren't just learning about Islam they're being taught how to respond to misconceptions about their faith. When I make a mistake. Bear with me who's next at the Muslim Sunday school in Berlin, Connecticut. Dr raisin on Soroush coaching a class of mostly teenagers, and how to be what he calls modern voices of Islam, by the way, somebody. If you use an Arabic term, and you don't translate dinged, one point. Okay. So that's Lamar commits God's peace be with you. All on sore is president of the schools, musk. The Islamic association of Greater Hartford, and he's big on translating, Slavic phrases and words take the word jihad. For instance, it means a struggle, usually a personal spiritual one. But when you hear the word jihad in the media, he says, it's almost always associated with extremists commit violence in the name of Islam. And when Islam is viewed as a threat that makes Muslims target just measured. Someone call you terrorist until you to go home ISA and solemn seventeen he's in the Sunday school class. I had one of my friends say that they were scared to come to the measured because they were fade that they were going to be shot on recently. They're mosque had an active shooter training with the local police department. It's one of the security measures, they've taken since the attacks at the tree of life, synagogue, and Pittsburgh in the two months. In Christchurch New Zealand? But when meant sore talks about security, he also talks, a lot about changing the narrative, he tells us students Slama phobia is driven in part by false information. So he wants them to correct. Those misconceptions than Muslims are anti-american the next generation of Muslims to be able to show that somac- values and American values completely compatible after nine eleven months, sore founded the Muslim coalition. Connecticut group e started to counter, the anti Muslim rhetoric that he says is perpetuated in the media, the teenage students in the Sunday, school grew up after nine eleven and soon they'll be heading off to college. So today, they're practicing being modern voices of Islam by having a debate. The topic is whether America is the best place to practice is not, and you can bring Slama phobia rhetoric media all of that into it. They split into groups when team leans heavily on the constitutional protections for religious freedom. I usually pashas says that's nice and all but government, that's going into moss or synagogues and holy mass shooting. The people that believe in you. Idea. Students also bring up the so-called Muslim travel ban by President Trump, despite that much source says he still thinks America is a great place to practice Islam that remains a safe haven for immigrants like himself on sore came from Sri Lanka almost thirty years ago after his medical school. There was bombed. He's now cardiologists we don't want the Muslim ban on these Lomb hates Americans stuff to change this nation that welcomes immigrants, and that has made a mad cow, such beautiful country. All right. Good. Job guys time for pizza. Outside a security guard is seen patrolling the property student missing Muhammed says she feels safe at her mosque. But as a high schooler in Connecticut, who wears a headscarf. She says she's had a deal with people calling her terrorist my friend, and I also wears a scarf. We took our time to explain to them that our religion, does not motivate our like promote violent in that were religion of peace like Muhammad Ameen parks is one of the only Muslims at his high school. He says he tries to be a good embassador for his faith just like he's been taught Sunday school. But when an incident involving Muslims happens out, in the world harks is expected to answer for it, stereotype that go along with as well racist, jokes, and things like that. So I mean I tried to clear things up, but a lot of people you just can't change there really stubborn. So park says he tries to change minds by just being himself. It's best just to show people who you really are stuff like that. And if they take it they'll take it. But if not just. Try not to feel the fire sore. The teachers says people of all religions are welcome to visit the mosque and if his students come away from class, filling in powered in their identity as Muslims and as Americans, he says he'll call that a success for here. Now I'm Vanessa de LA Dada. Here now a production of NPR and WB. You are in association with the BBC World Service. I'm Lisa Mullins, and I'm Peter O'Dowd. This is here now.

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