The Gift of Struggle with Bobby Herrera


Do you see struggle as a gift if not you might change your opinion after the next few minutes after you listen to this episode of the remarkable leadership podcast are you ready let's go so bobby let's just start here when I started this podcast I said the my goal was to have have meaningful conversations with leaders I am I was introduced to having to contribute at a very early age and that was a constant theme in my in my story the guest today is Bobby Herrera he believes that everyone deserves an opportunity to lead and is an unwavering champion for the underdog he's the CO founder one of thirteen children in a migrant family he learned the value of hard work rising early and putting in long hours in the fields after highschool bootcamp became his ticket chip experts and expert leaders and you fall into that second category but you've also written a book so you fall into both categories tell us about the past really this episode is sponsored by thirteen days to remarkable leadership a free leadership video series based on Kevin's book the Bus Story and I I was introduced a struggle from day one am one of thirteen we you're my introduction of U. Says a little bit about it but say a little bit more about your path of how you get from where you started born in New Mexico too Marqaba leadership sign up by going to remarkable podcasts dot com forward slash thirteen days and now here's your host Ken. CEO of populist group or the fastest growing HR services companies in the United States who annual revenue of five hundred million many fortune one hundred companies as well end everybody welcome to another episode of the remarkable leadership. PODCAST I'm your host Kevin I can bury you probably knew that but you don't know whom I Guess Day Kevin I think we all have marker moments in our journey that stand out more than others and I leave the book with v Marker Moment in people's potential and seeing that so I'm a student your work and I'm grateful you had me on yeah well I I knew from the minute I was reading the book that this would be conversation in five minutes that we chatted before I hit record all the more convinced so we're GonNa have a good time sit down get your pen opportunity. He serves on the national community excuse me he serves on National Community Association boards and is a regular speaker corporations and for service groups he's leading it's a great book and I'm so happy to have the chance to chat with you today Bobby Walk I love your philosophy about and as I reflect back on my path I was being forged into a curriculum of army veteran. He's most proud of his family. Wipe Rosalind in their three children santino Griffith in Sofia they live in Portland Oregon he's got his beard on because out and if you're exercising or whatever you do this podcast make sure that you know you're gonNA WANNA go back and listen and take some notes but laggard farm work and family I learned how to work in the fields at a very young age a lot younger than I wish I would have the that said though countless lessons that we're GonNa later serve me incredibly well as I put effort into developing other people and you know I I'm just so grateful now that I was introduced to struggle from day one was I didn't always look at it that way and that's one of the reasons I wrote the book because I want to refrain take his annual mountain tour if you're watching us she would know that and he is the author of a new book titled Gift of Struggle Life Changing Lessons mm-hmm how people view struggle the way that I was able to do so I wanna get into that a little bit more and one of the things I want to say it is in the book you tell several stories I mean it's not just a book of stories but stories are woven throughout the book and I think that Mike Family I did grow up in a farm family and while my work wasn't exactly the same as yours my experience was very similar to yours long hours in the field it here's a here's what I experienced and I think it's a lesson for all of us as leaders one of things I experienced as you told that initial story about growing up although I did not grow up in etc and so the point that I make here I wanna make sure is that the story forged a connection between you and I and I think that one of the values of story for us as leaders is it forages connections with those that we lead and you again you several stories throughout you WanNa make any comment about that need and I've always believed that a good story should give you something something that you can take from it it's going to help you make your S- before I want I want to dive into struggle as you guess anything USA about stories in general and and maybe how you use them as a leader yet no doubt I mean that's actually really about your story and I think that's what leadership's about leaders give and you educate the people you're guiding in a manner what I was I'm a storyteller by major my dad was a magnificent storyteller Kevin and I didn't realize the gift that he was given me you know I I was always complaining that I'll dad another story go through struggle pain and suffering before you get the wisdom and when I coach someone or when I'm guiding someone I like to go back to the beginning and I like to find out okay let's flip over the resume resume industry say you're the sharpest Duggal precedes any form of transformation that we've ever experienced in our life and when you view anything that we've accomplished you have to so why is it a gift or maybe better how do we how remake it yest- sure I get that question a lot can and story better until I try to be very intentional about applying that philosophy a storytelling into my book in the stories that I was telling because I wanted the reader in my own life and reframed it I talk about how I did that during experience in the military started reflecting on my own life however hey the title of book is the Gift of Struggle and you said that one of the reasons you wrote the book was to help us reframe how we think about struggle so it helps them see their own potential like that's what leadership's all about is seeing an encouraging potential absolutely so how you how you made that reframe happen for you sure I was about three weeks in the the mental and physical breakdown of Bootcam- what shaped you how it shaped you and what are those standout moments that were that iron forged iron and really sharpened black and look for that I know you tell the story in the book but can you you teased us a little but can you tell us about that moment when you're in boot camp as to how you saw Sharon those gifts with others and teaches us something if we choose to find it right and so I think that one of the things that struck me as I was reading and I was prepared you know when you when you think about it anything that we've ever done in life that's worthwhile you I have to go through struggle hyphen I started thinking about what those experiences in those struggles at taught me and I remember using that newfound perspective of a teaser as a gift and shrug aren't usually used in the same sentence and I wanted to be intentional about that because it took me a while to see it table to connect with it and see themselves as the character in the stories that I was telling his early on in the book and say hey these stories about my journey I remember thinking to myself it's like this is like I've been getting up in the wee hours to work for our conversation is that everyone who's listening or watching in whenever that is you will either be in a series season of struggle for years since I was a little guy and I started thinking about how that eventually transition to ten hours a day six days a weeks in the field and in the next six weeks that I haven't somehow already faced and still for the first time I started reframing my journey in it's like Oh give me this gift and that's how he communicated and I am to Italy pick that up and I always use stories to coach in the League word but you were framing what you're describing what you wanted the culture of the organization to be but at some point down the road you figured out that that wasn't all the culture I'd experienced some very unfortunate you know a time when I've been asked to leave the table just because of the color of mice yeah and I remember we were is about eleven thirty at night and I'm polishing my boots by flashlight and all around me I could hear the other you are today and it's from that exercise where I'll pull out these gifts you know someone may have struggled through something but what did it teach you on that road trip when I explained to her what I wanted to create I tend to learn for reverse role models Kevin had a lot of we feel like we're connected to something bigger than ourselves worthy to be ourselves we act like kids who have a lot to learn were humble courage the other soldiers around me like you've got this it's like I know you've got I know you've been through worse like what did you learn and I just started carrying that found yourself with a with a vision of it and then we're far from that vision so talk about how you created the one you wanted when you were starting or co founding populous group you were talking with your wife about what you wanted it to be in terms of an organization and you were maybe not using this dismay but but you know I I like great is I flip over the resume I want to know what's not on the resume I want to go back to the beginning I WANNA learn those marker moments and that's where I cream up with my leadership philosophy but we all struggle but every struggle teaches something that's the gift and leadership again and so I'd face things that people shouldn't have to face and I recall thinking to myself like there's nothing they can do or say to me and that in itself was a feet and getting her to move from Sunday Northern California to Detroit inexperienced harsh winters out there and ositive force for ourselves and I think that's a tear point what we need to do as a leader so one of the things that struck me in in the book was to creating populist group we had been through a couple of errors I tend to look at my journey in areas and the first five years Kevin I call it the most fun and as explaining this to Rosslyn I started explaining that I want to create something where first and foremost that you're right you're right it's a bit of a brain war brides it you know it's it's a bit of an after you realized to me and that's not where we are at all can you talk about that because I think that's where most of us actually are we don't have the visit we don't have the culture that we want how do we soldiers complaining about the night that had no insight and the morning that was gonna come way to send them and as they're sitting there complaining and grunting Ah I wasn't building the level of trust that I wanted to build and culture is a vehicle in which how you build trust for the community I want to have again I'm just happy we survived and the second five I call it the holy bleep era in your favorite explicit sure we'll things were starting to crumble and it just didn't feel right and when I was experiencing that feeling just like when I was really forced to the four but that was the time when I really started reframing not only my struggle but how I viewed what I experienced a life the first thing I did is not only did I tell that story but I started sharing with him what I imagine what I explained Rosalyn on that journey oh down look in the mirror and start asking myself some hard questions why and I think that's where a lot of leaders unintentionally overlook and and and and and it does whatever our background is whatever our struggles are at does frame who we become the challenge that you've described as how do we use that as a building per se but our foundation wasn't very day and you know you can only build so high until things start crumbling we had some great return on luck and we were growing like gangbusters but what I realized is that we were building this wonderful the bus story I didn't tell the story that was driving my passion to build this company and or perhaps as a result of this conversation you you will want to be benefiting from struggle on anything that you you just highlight we've got a we've got to be willing to look back and they were able to correct themselves challenge themselves and we could all protect one another and keep one another safe and more often than not hi ha it's not even possible right you got it you got together we figured out how her right and so it wasn't an overnight home grown up people around me were making choices that I didn't agree with and that's where I came up with one of my mantras the long ways shortcut welcome to the remarkable leadership podcast we are here each week to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference both professionally and personally that you had built and so the reality is we all have an organizational culture whether it's one we want or the weather not the one we want whether it's what we're aspiring to or not you transformation however you fast forward about three four years after I finally shared the bus story after I finally was that's the start of it is number one I address that feeling that some didn't feel right and once I did what I learned most personal foremost was that shift how do we move in that direction I remember that Dr when Roseanne we had relocated from northern California to Detroit there were relentless boundaries yet were willing to learn from the best you all these feelings that I wanted to create very intentional about sharing of these these are the boundaries this is a code that we're gonNA live live by this is how we're going to behave in our organization bill but the single biggest mistake that that I made Kevin and I talked about this in the book I didn't tell in a especially if you are willing to let people and your point is I had to let him first before the rest of that can start to happen right and when she asked me how I was going to do it I have no idea I'll figure it out and you flash forward and about ten years into and how how were they supposed to help me if they didn't know why I wanted to build it and they didn't know what I wanted to build if they don't know the what the the what and the and the it just having those very indepth intentional conversations about what you want to build you'll come up with the how together right but in your organization at the time that was we were small we had about I'd say less than fifty it was real us to everyone who's listening when when that when that when you made that choice when you started to do those things in rough terms how many employees this idea about our role as leaders in developing other leaders and so talk a little bit about your approach title and when you look at it from that perspective first and foremost that mindset you get a return on their development that just GonNa make your heart would you give to those listening about finding were valuing coaches and mentors in their lives they're priceless oh seen make them feel heard and once you do those two things then give them voice and you do those arts saying and I believe my role is to help them live up to the potential so I support us make them and what what I learned is to pick the mentors that can help you see these valuable and he became like a second father to me and another gentleman that met bill down the line and I've always been very intentional about leadership is about giving more than you take and the essence of leadership is do you want more for your people than you want from there you leadership development as a leader yourself in terms of how do you support and engage and invest in other leaders in your organization sure I believe that in in the Doctor Joe Chapter I talk about I think the most important part of a mentor mentor relationship is haven't but that's where the beauty of it is it only works if the men tea is willing to rigorously in clumsily apply what in the book as well as you mentioned several of the coaches and mentors in your life what's what what advice operate here for everyone listening earlier today that on the day that I'm actually having this conversation with Bobby I interviewed Melvin that's exactly exactly right so you another thing that another another place I think that we we resonate with each other even though we've just met is you can't climb your mountain without Sherpa and I've had some wonderful Sherpas on Mike Line chapter about Dr Joe Three Things Kevin and they'll madge they'll surprise you with the results that they generate and clarity you owe them clarity that's the value driven insights that you need to hear that align with your values and from there you just have to be prepared to do the work signed participate in my own rescue with my own development have mentors they guide you through these blind spots and they tell you what you need to hear now what you WanNa hear absolutely so when I read a book or in this case when I had a conversation with an author there's there's often at least one how well the man t applies what they learn and the beauties in that application you forgotten more about this than most people know the mentor is teaching them clumsy first and then rigorous accurate got it wrong order you're right and showing them the way and let them see that I'm human and that I'm developing these critical leadership skills that and I'd love for you to share briefly your strategy about your advice about how a leader ought to read a book a. and then guiding others one of the things I learned very early on in my leadership climb was you're not allowed to change anyone until you change yourself argument for a team and so don't lose don't let these ideas go past you because you're not the owner because you don't have a five hundred million our company don't lose any of that because all of this applies to us at any level context maybe a little different but it doesn't really change in that regard one of the things that you talk a lot about so even before some of those fundamental steps that I reference is like people do people see and if I'm not leading myself but I'm saying to all of you that you have more influence on that than you realize even if you're the leader of an eight or ten person organ part of part of an organization a division you must start there I go back to the beginning identify those marker moments you you don't start there you're not you're you're going to dilute your impact Smith about a new book called helping people changing unless are scheduled changes should add interview will come out a couple of weeks ago and I strongly encourage you all to go if you didn't and then I will work rigorously to apply what I said I was going to apply from that lesson I expect him to develop they're not gonNA follow me they're not gonNA listen to buy it so that's why part one of the gift of struggle is who am I already knew I wasn't a finisher and one of the first things he had me start doing and do this to this day when I get a book Our reread the book and I will highlight the parts that resonate for me that really stand out and the ones that really let me start with a more important part let me tell you how bad I was about it before I start implementing this strategy so I was that well intention students you build trust tell them tell them what you're thinking in you have to know what they're thinking that's one of the pillars of building trust with somebody so I have to have to oops the conversation that had sleep all you can go back and listen to in episode I believe it will have been episode one seventy seven about a book called leading clarity to go back and listen to the conversation with Melvyn Smith about the book helping people change because it's very connected throughout although I had no idea it would be necessary speak to my strengths that I want to further develop I will write a note right next to that highlight with exactly how I'm going to apply that I will read it front to back just sit down during my blocks and I will read it front back I'll just absorb it I will it one of one of three categories for me wine is your purpose I'm a big believer in building something meaningful day and then I'd start the Seguin I'd finish even less of that won all five of them ended up becoming very expensive coasters so right atom believe repetitions and other of skill and I will once a month I will pull a book from thing that will be the one thing that I'll always enact to that person into that book and of course there's a couple of stories you've hinted you've told one and you can sit at one sure it went Kevin one thing if I may yeah you with regards to your while ago we talk about the mentor mentality relationships rhajel and after a very thorough candidate executive feedback session what we identified was what I'll resist the temptation to start writing notes highlighting the first time so the first time it's just absorb it and then I'll go back and had a real big impact on me on how I wanNA build my community there's leadership on student leadership and those books are up there After some dash of motivation at at at stop the book store and buy four or five books had no idea who was buying and who I was I'm also a student of story and I have some storytelling books that I keep up there and that those are the three types of books that end up on you focus on that checkmate uniform so then there's another thing about books and then we're GONNA move on but there's another thing about books you have what you call your bibles leadership habit to building that mastery that we're talking about you can learn more about that by going to remarkable podcasts dot com forward slash way so so bob anybody with populist group bringing the bus story to life that's that that experience was invisible force drove me there's purpose driven books even though I've read both books and they had one of the conversations I didn't know it'd be as connected as it is to this so I'd strongly encourage everyone listening to go back to that and the point you just made about clarity connects to Kevin Matt in a bind four or five books and I'd start the first one maybe get a few chapters in and then I get bored with that when I put it away attitude the most the most powerful emotion on the planet practice develop it's a skill and the Hi Bible row and I'll pull one off every month and just refresh and re self-assess however I'm doing with those lessons cool uh-huh and that served me so well because that's where the magic happens you're often say hey readings the one percent applications a ninety nine percent sure but there's but there's there's some strategies that you use it you were taught by a mentor about how to read how leader ought to read a book ro of books in some of those so so case so what's the what does it mean to be on the Bible row and how to treat those books differently well those books bat and I'm passionate about the mountain so I spent as much time as I can you know answering that pool I give from the mountains all right and and what wrote down how it was going to apply it and I'll just refresh it and the books that end up on my Bible row usually me just one is accountability starts with what's inside of you first and foremost and becoming the person that you imagine ah the fast break is I got three words I'm GonNa say the word that just wants to give me your first thoughts whatever you whatever you feel led to say about that one briefly will go to the next one are you ready to just one word bobble row and I will review those highlighted sections that I just referenced and the notes where I fascinating book about the history of mankind and it the reason I picked it up is because I feel like what my story whenever that is hopefully not too soon will I check the box that says did my story matter number two Grad Yeah I got three words near the first one is success what is your first reaction to what your definition of what do you WanNa tell us about the word success is at the end and then helping others do the same all right so I've got two questions now that I ask everybody and one of them you know the other one you don't and the year ago and Delay Low Cana- Jack that up a little bit with the book but you know for me it's all about team won and learn more about you and popular group and the book where do you WanNa point people my websites Bobby Dash Harare Dot Com. Now that you've told us how you read what's something you're you're reading now or something you've read recently well I'm actually

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