227: The State of Puerto Rico's Independence Movement


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Listen, I have been wanting one of the things that I've been thinking about the last couple of months following the political situation and put the Rico and also. Post. Hurricane Maria is what is up with the nationalist the independence movement in Puerto Rico? And I wanted to get someone on who wasn't of voice that you would normally here. I wanted to actually talk to actual younger people who are creating their own voices down and put the Rico, and I'm super excited to have under this Gonzales bed, the CEA of Harare, DO, nip. And then CEA live from San Juan unrest, man. What's up high? Julio. Thank you for having me. It's really a pleasure to be here to talk about something that I there's really important to me to an audience that doesn't really get to hear it from our from, you know, from my point of view. So thank you very much for for having been. Thank you for reaching out to us because as you know, this is near and dear to my heart Urinetown one, you know, and I've been covering as a Puerto Rican. Journalists this is sort of the elephant elephant. Day when I always keep in writing about for years. So I have so many questions, but can you just begin to tell me until listeners who might not even? I think people I think people in the United States, at least on the American left kind to know about the independence movement, the nationalist movement Origo, but I think they're kind of stuck in the sixties and the seventies in the fifties. And don't really know what's going on. And they just kind of just associate with the, you know, the green party little bit there. But the, and they don't, and they see that as a party, and that sort of house simplistic, it is so to get give some context what is you know. What does it mean to be someone who promotes independence in Puerto Rico these days? So it's very important to us to understand that we come from very long history of people that have fogged for the decolonisation of Puerto Rico and for its independence, even before the United States invaded Puerto Rico in eighteen ninety eight right? So basically in the nineteenth century, you already had a pro independence movement very much like it. Happened in any other Latin American nations, but when the Spanish American war started right along with Cuba in other. Territories. We were you know, pretty much seated or or sold to the to the United States with our without our participation, right? And since then there have been very strong movements for independence for thirty at the beginning of the century. Perhaps it was much stronger of you could say that for for the first fifty year or sixty years of the twentieth century, the pro-independence movement was probably majoritarian, but there were no Platt recites there. I mean, for example, the Partido O'neil which was pretty much the strongest party at the beginning of the century had independence as one of its points in the agenda later, the liberal party is well, of course, the nationalist party in the nineteen thirties of abusive campus, which may be may have been the the the biggest pro-independence figured that. We had at the time and later even the Democratic Party, which later, you know, betrayed us and became the pro comma wealth. Most the biggest supporter started sending dependence party end. Then of course, he Puerto Rican independence party that has done the job for over for more than seventy years on interrupted -ly, you know, fighting for independence for three go. And what ended that doesn't take into account other groups that have also helped, you know, our costs whether peaceful way or by taking up arms in more tumultuous sixties and seventies. Right. But the the most important thing about, you know, about our our people is just our understanding that thirty of different nation in the in the twenty first century colonialism, whether you call it, you know, a non unincorporated territory or just colony which is what it is. Politically is is just simply wrong, it is descend follow international law, and it's basically on democrat right to have more than three hundred more than. I'm sorry. Almost four million able. Who are a different nation, and who don't vote who don't get to take up participating the political processes of the federal government, which they have to obey. Right. So we have no we have no vote for the president or congress people. But yet we have to obey every love every statutes passed by congress in every regulation right executive, but we also have more important to us. We don't have any representation or international institutions either. So that's pretty much why we fight against there's also the other side, right? And I couldn't have this conversation without sort of how the independence movement has been criminalized in a lot of ways in Bordeaux trickle, can you just speak a little bit more to that? Because I maybe I'm not I'm not trying to romanticize this. I mean, I come from a family people can just let me up I don't really give it should anymore. But you know, my my migrate uncle. Hosa medial inside his was one of the top poets would would have been the head of the UP of the university of Puerto Rico. But was a strong independence guy. In was like, you're not it's not going to happen in the fifties. So. You know, my family is a typical I think is a typical Puerto Rican family. There's a mix of a lot of people in a lot of ways. But can where did it become where did become criminal to be in a nationalist? When did that happen? It's a very very good question. So. When I say, probably in the thirties, you know, with the you could you could think about Gandhi in India or the Irish or, you know, in with the Puerto Rican nationalist party of better. I'd be so Campos. They they pretty much. You know, said I mean, we can just we can have this colonialism anymore in the he advocated the Puerto Rican national nationalist party for you know, for the armed struggle. Even though it participated in any elections at one point, right? So now with that and especially in the forties right before the Commonwealth west creator. And when the Popular Democratic Party changed its position from independence to whatever they adopted later, right? The the the oppression around. I'm not sure what the word is in English. Right. But the oppression gut really strong, especially when when governors governors until the nineteen forty eight even before the Colorado were imposed just like most of the legislators here were imposed by the by the by the president of the United States. So we had for example, Brenton wind ship and other military actual military governors here that did a lot of a lot of breath things. Put in mildly like the my second. My secondhand Obea which really directed specifically doors e Puerto Rican independence movement, right? So when when the Commonwealth all these process started before after you could say after the second World War and the thing about decolonization was really getting stronger. Right. And everybody starts talking about this. Komo weather steadily would associate which the independence movement. Understood was a falsity right something that would not finish the Puerto Rico's colonial status. Then the the mill you could say that the militancy got stronger end what we call here, the, prevail. Right. Which was a sort of how do you? How would you put it in English? It was prevailing surveillance. A I mean, my family had I- family members who had got bit those. I'm sure you did. I'm sure there's any one of those stories that if you actually sat down I would say like, you know, ten Puerto Ricans from the island. I would I would guarantee you seven eight maybe nine of them would say like, you know, my family member one of them had one. I mean, it was it was it was it was for Valence. It was and we had an episode regard. You know to talk about the history of the company. So it was basically Colin Coen pro, you know, the what what the FBI started their against left-wing groups and the later the civil rights activists and pretty much everybody did descent all it happened in hit us very strong here strongly here in Puerto Rico on it happened before. Yeah. That's that's which proves my point. Is that anything the federal government of the United States wants to do to other groups? They seem to be doing it to put a Ricans before anybody else. Right. It's the loud where the. Experiment. It has been that way. And for example, you could think Wendy Puerto Rican independence party in the late eighties. Pretty much fire the complaint and everything all this came out in public which was everybody more about this. But it wasn't. It wasn't official until we made those to those actions to make it visible. So we found out that this had been officially going on from nineteen forty eight up until the late eighties. Right. So if you fought for independence in Enron. I'm not talking about any armed struggle, or whatever, you just advocated for independence almost every branch of the government about especially the the attorney general's office here, and the police would have your file, and they would say, for example. So Julio today three attended a rally in favor of independence. So all that was and that was used when you apply for law school, for example, when you try to get a job and for every and they also, of course, infiltrated people are and. Internal fights against each other. That were not true just to divide dividing conquer. So that along with you know, many other things that gives you a feeling of widening this movement was equated with you know, from TV in why people were afraid and we have to. I mean, we have to be honest with you know, when you talk about armed struggle. And you know, we talk about the the attack on the US capital, which, you know, people when you look at the US news coverage at the time when that happened. And when you see new I'd say more radical versions of the independence movement that were coming from, you know, from the Diaz for coming from places like Chicago, New York, FA L N. I mean there was you know, if you know at the time, I think like in the sixties in the seventies. I actually think independence the word independence like the movement. Whether it was violent or nonviolent was actually still part of the national. Dialogue in the United States. Would you agree with? I'm was it. Because of the you know what I'm saying. I I think it was it was something that people were still aware of or am I being too simplistic, you're talking about the people were aware or thought of it as a possibility for Puerto Rico the independence who me? No, no, I'm talking about the American public. So you know, when you have FALN and people, you know, the nationalist movement. God violent, you know, we we have to be. And I think Americans I'm talking about Americans on the American left or would would at least. I mean, it was something that it was a political act writer. I mean, even some people would call it one person's political freedom. Fighter is another person's terrorists. Yeah. Def hobby ob-, obviously, someone put thought he goes listening to this right now and calling me a communist I'm trying to look at this early. But I guess the point that I'm saying is that there still was a time in the seventies in the eighties were independence as a solution was still being taking somewhat seriously. I mean, it was still very viable. I. I would agree. So what I would say about that is that. Well, first of all it was a time of right? You had a lot of groups stake in different actions both left and right, for example, the the actual terrorist actions that were that happening put thirty going political terms actually came from the Cuban, right? Right. So so, and so there's there was a lot of combusted you might say before we get into. I think that's one detail that very few people in in the United States understand, you know. You know, put the recall is very I would say, it's very socially conservative. Right. Yeah. But I also think Cuban exile community after the revolution in Cuba. And I grew up I grew up in the in the late. You know, I was born in nineteen sixty nine in Puerto Rico. So I grew up in the seventies and eighties Puerto Rico, and I saw shift and. You have to. I mean, I think we would be dishonest with ourselves if we didn't think that. The Cuban exile community in Puerto Rico played a part in trying to say like, you know, we don't want another Cuba here. Right. I mean, or is that no, I definitely agree. And that's that's what I wanted to say that because of because of the American government sent the mindset of the people end the Cold War, right? So independent these starting birth. Rico was actually equated by people or by non-independent these with communism. So we we dealt with discrimination of the of the government and of the majority of the people not only because of our but owing their peninsula views. But also because they equated us to Cuba and communism, which even even though you there, I will say that the left and the independent movement input Rico have gone, you could say that they have gone mostly in the ordinary sense hand in hand. But they're not, you know, they don't have to be the same thing. And of course, you could conceive a conservative pro-independence decent such. But because they have you know, the independence movement has always been pretty much the. The left import Rico. We took the you could say a double punch, right? A one too. So it was it was end during the Cold War. You will see that even though one might say or it was probably true. Right. That there were a lot more in pro independence Puerto Ricans. I don't know thirty fifty years ago, maybe because of many reasons you will see you could say that it was almost impossible to have a Puerto Rican independence from the American government's point of view on independent but Rico because we were just simply to it a counter Cuba. Right. We were just they had to had a colony there a jurisdiction that they treated us as and as I say, you know, you take into account what the naval bases. But I also think the point the flip side of that. And I think we I think the independence movement of the history the independence movement thirty needs to acknowledge this is that the influence from from Havana, you know, I I remember reading I mean, I remember growing up and reading. You know, I. He would read what the would cash would say. And it was always like end up. You know, it was it was almost like we became a battle of the Cold War. And then even the Cuban left like the Castro government would would be probably one of the strongest supporters of Caribbean independence. But you're I think you're right. I think because in the end Puerto Rico was there was this fear of the I remember this, man. I remember seeing. Maybe is he's childhood memories as a teenager. But just seeing people saying we will never be a Vaga. And why would we want to be independent? So do you think that's where the shift was like in the eighties and the night? Like, do you think? That's when it was really starting to you could. Yeah, it very well could be. But what is just when the comma wolf was created, right? You had you had you had a great figure like this just my beating the Popular Democratic Party. And that that came about, you know, orchestrated of course, nineteen fifty two with the big exodus of Puerto Rican people to the US, especially New York something that we have we had not seen until pretty much right now. So we had the Commonwealth did have a I would say better month or melt, I'm rattle in the economic sense of the so all that gave a sort of a I don't know an oral. But we have to understand that when it was created a lot of national leaders were incarcerated. Because of the revolution that the attempts of the revolution the nineteen fifty. But also, the whole independence movement was like, you said criminalize, and for example, the prosecutors here in those cases against the nationalist, the nationalist actually, use the Puerto Rican flag as evidence of the insurrection right of people that were trying to the of the uprising it was only after that degration of the call of the official government of leaving your mighty actually adopted that very same flag so into fifties. When all these happens, a lot of them might have left because they didn't want to be here with under the KOMO of the, but also because they, you know, there was there were three of persecution against a pro-independence these were afraid of their lives and others because maybe they were looking for better options in that Desa reality, right? They went because they just wanted better options for their families. So let me really try to put this to crystal. I guess I didn't think there's simplification of the independence movement. I do think it's very easy to scream, you know, how not got got. That's not who in our very easy. I mean, you you have to admit that there's this sort of like acceptance right within the status machine of the last twenty thirty years that at least when it comes to the the, you know, the Puerto Rican independence party that there's this. There's this toss away line. It's like, no one. No, one cares about independence like the plebiscite. No, one cares about that. They're not relevant. We don't want to be the next Cuba and s simplistic as it sounds. It's become sort of the clarion. Call also with places, you know, Whitney when you look at the pro statehood movement, and you look at that the leaders there, even though, you know, the current governor is a democrat or sort of century. You know, there's a history of more right wing anti-independence rhetoric from from the stated party, and there's also this. I don't know. Anyone that defends the colonial is I guess I'll call them the people that defend the colony what else do you want to call them? Yeah. Goes right now, it's difficult to find him even even people who outright saying that they support the Commonwealth as it is they're they're, of course, they don't wanna make any changes. But even then no really express it that way before. And I think it's important. You know, I think it's like it's like the easy lazy choice, but LA it's like it's like if you have a LA in. It's like, well, let's not really independent, but I still like Mike connection to the US. So I'm gonna choose the safe. I'm gonna choose the the status quo. So it gets the big question for me like since hurricane, and I know you guys are doing are. They ended up in the Bannon Seon, you're talking, and I know you're talking about this topic. And you're trying to get it more attention. In the sense of like the independence movement, not being relevant in Puerto Rican national politics right now, how is that changing? It is it changing. Are you challenging it? Our people challenging it. Again. There are we are we trying to turn it upside down. I'm just really curious about this question. All right. Thank you. Thank you for the question. That's actually, that's one of the main reasons I would say we created linked up in San where we want to talk about this issues 'cause I'm going to try to give you the, you know, the most honest answer, I can give you a military in the Puerto Rican. Yeah. Enter and I probably militating the Puerto Rican independence party, which of course, we have been there for the past seventy years, but minority -tarian you don't minority party. That's that's the truth. But honestly from for decades. Now, only only the Puerto Rican independence movement talked about three quarters a colony and denounced colonialism, not even the pro annexation forces which were really small in comparison to the Commonwealth forces. Right. But have been being forced throughout the years. They didn't really talk about the port thirty costs Coney, listen and even even denouncing such treatment. They would tell you what's accusing the great, you know, United States of something an-, Anna chronicity thing. So they didn't use those terms. But with time, and I will say that it's a huge victory of the independence movement. Even though that might not you might not see it electorally. Right. But in the from two thousand sixteen on with even before the money the here came, but with the with the case of Sanchez by it, which finally the supreme court of the United States. You know might clear what we always said that put three collect sovereignty separate from the United States enhance. It was what we exclusively always said. An unincorporated territory, and your listeners might think or less the most obvious thing in the world. How could you even say that it's something credit? You know, something new, but in breath Rica, almost sadly that was our discussion every single year for sixty years. But here's this is where my son, and you know, and obviously the fiscal control like there's so many factors. But I think that point about that case makes it because one of the biggest things that you appear back when you're here in the states is this. Ocean. Now of like, whoa, Puerto Ricans are part of the United States or Puerto Ricans are ericans. It's more like Puerto Ricans belong to the United States. I wouldn't say that there are necessarily a part of the unites. It's and that type of conversation is just happening saying the word colony is becoming a little bit more common. And it's not just associated with. Movements that might seem to be very far to the left. So so I'm just curious. You know what I'm saying? So continuing hit the most important reason for us to do this. And it's specifically that from again from two thousand sixteen with that case where the enactment of when congress for the first time since nineteen fifty eight actually used those plenary powers that this supreme court of the United States interpret that it had over its territories, regardless of what we said about it right for the first time Younes did not only created this waits for us to restructure are dead because we cannot because federal statute did not allow us to do. So like any other instrumentality of state could or other independent nation could. So they gave us supposedly this great way of restructuring or dead in exchange of fuel to control board of compulsive seven people imposed by, you know, by the federal entities in which we don't participate to basically stupor steam, the Puerto Rican government. So but the thing is. That and with K Maria and with Donald Trump right in the Republican party all of a sudden for the first time in my life. For three hundred was been ignored. But three simply our our struggle will seek to put three in the political world in the United States. But now, we're been talked about all of a sudden Democrats are talking about as if they had actually not been part of the hundred and twenty one year colonialism problem in Puerto Rico would say have for example, SF Obama hadn't actually imposed professor and its that worry. Would you use that to look at my Twitter? I like this is where I'm like, I know Trump, I get it. I know Trump police here's the thing that I say, I may not be very very on this. I know what Trump's gonna say about what the oh. Like, I eight he's very blatant. He's very racist varies uniform bec-, it's it's like colonialism at its as at its extreme. But we're not honest with ourselves if we don't admit that Democrats, I'm especially Democrats who have been sort of the supporters of the Popolare. Is of the Commonwealth system have been just as complicit and you have to remind people that promise. Signed under Obama. I mean. In. And I heard and I heard the and especially the problem. It's actually worse when you take for example, the advent of the new progressive left, which I feel it's a natural ally for the pro-independence movement here. But when they start adopting discourse Dennis being actually used by the Puerto Rican right about equality asked Americans, I suppose to the nation that we are will there's a problem there. And I actually very respectfully I heard the interview that very good interview that you had with we're going to have right, but heat, for example to three things he he talked about the protests that happen here. And he said for simple, he didn't mention that. Even though there were prostrated protesters. They are that was actually organized by the Puerto Rican independence party, and we were much more people pro-independence people there than pro annexation there. And for example, he also said that. He also said that for example, he thought that there was a significant majority favoring statehood. Yeah. I would perhaps I can see that. Maybe there's actually a majority now. I would I wouldn't call it a a significant majority by any chance, and do you think that changed since the hurricane you think that's sort of eating people are questioning that difficult to measure? But the thing is I narrow it seems here for people question what we have. And that's a victory of the Puerto Rican independence movement, and you know, all who who have not fallen for the tweak of the Commonwealth, right? Actually this. Because one of the things that were noticing at least with the democratic candidates like Bethel rar has already spoken out for statehood. And then you you get other democratic candidates who I actually think are just using the talking points from like from like nineteen Eighty-four it feels like it's just like feel like a non this Cologne is like still like the ghost of like dictating democratic platform. Little slowly. But surely you're seeing the word decolonization starting to become part of the dialogue is that a victory. If that if that became like a platform for the Democratic Party it is victory. Just at the fact that the federal government and the people in power actually talking about this. But it's our responsibility and the United States government's responsibility to deal with this issue. But to the with it under international norms. Right. So wouldn't have even though now I would call it a victory. The fact that people are talking about colonialists in, but we can't normalize colonialism. 'cause the here the annexation for people. And now even for simple giddy have on other representatives of the American government. Mike talk about golden listen. But then for example, like he did in your interview, he would say, yeah. But we'll have to deal with the debt a real after with the economy s of the status question had nothing to do with the other thing, which is of course, false yet. Everything is. Enter related to to status and colonialism. I do think that's a major development in the Puerto Rican political discourse that at least you have people from opposing views understanding that lack loading Colonia. Like, let's just be right. And so I I do think it's a big Seth because you're right. You know words like colony were used just by the independence movement in the seventies. And eighties in the six, you know. But but where is it? Now, we're in like, this is my final question for you. Because and I'm definitely bring you on. And I told you wanna be on your show because then I'm. Thunder, and I need to I need to those are gonna go me Hinton people like because I do think this is the type of conversation that we as Puerto Ricans should be having more of real honest conversations about the status question because without labeling ourselves to so essay program. And that's the problem we've been so ingrained in the status machine that like, you know, we are identified as who we are for. I actually am very honest of the fact that. I can probably talk to about like, I said if I if I talked to one hundred Puerto Ricans, I'm sure the vast majority of them would probably have chose different times in their lives. They probably would be supporting different type of status. You know what I mean? Like, it's NS, right? It's an I think it's very unfair to just simply label us because if I'm talking about independent in bonanza that I'm a journalist, man. And it's like I people like like, oh, I'm being paid by lee-ing or like north just didn't so hard to have intelligent conversations about this. So my last question where does this independence movement go next in a post Maria world like what are you seeing? Well, we we have to be where we've always been right talking about these issues and every other issues that have that have to deal with Puerto Rican doing the we're trying to move people to think differently. To see option inside the system and outside the system of educating our people advocating, but basically telling people that were we're talking about is simply too. It's about democracy. We just can't be directed anymore by political institutions in which we don't participate end deserve the same treatment on opportunity that every other nation in the world has right. And we have to keep showing people. Why y also beside, you know, sorry from a romantic view, why we also need the tools the mechanisms that international institutions give us in order to to, you know, make our material world better than have better opportunities with the American people as well. This subsidy nothing to do with thinking that one is better or worse than the American people just think just understanding that we have a right to to serve determination and to be our own mention. And you know, that's that's what we have to keep on doing survey transformation of our view independent because I think it's been so. Oh, tied to one political ideology. That's very far to the left. We just got the honest about that. I mean, it's just like we eat, you know, it's like you mentioned in that. If you're if you say like so didn't have been December three quotes like, hey, where's your? Where's your where's your casual beret, which I think that's the problem? And there's plenty of progressively minded people who are actually very forward thinking who who favour independence any teams to be like something that would align itself with American progressivism. Yeah. And that's I can't leave without you don't urging are I wanted this opportunity because I especially wanted to talk to the new to those progressives in the United States into our Latino people there because the, you know, the one thing that cannot happen is for the American left to meet to become Alex with the Puerto Rican rights, which have absolutely nothing to do with progressivism. And none under you know, and to adopt deal. Those disco. From the right here, and to just three Puerto Ricans as if you know, we're just an ethnic group under the American national system without understanding that you wouldn't actually be protecting jobs, civil rights of people reciting, the United States, you would actually be stripping away the sovereignty that we want to have a supporter Rican nation, right? When people talk about nothing else in the United States, or you could say Mexican Americans or any other type of themes. You're actually talking about the REIs of of Latinos reciting the United States, but no one sexually argue take Mexico itself. Right. And and that cannot have later it's incision. And you know, the thing is that it we have to have this conversation in ultimately, we can normalize colonialism. The thing is the United States has a responsibility under international law to one or two things. Right. It would sits down with Puerto Ricans and actually says well, if you vote this way or do this. We're actually considering statehood in the system under our constitutional system. And this is what we're willing to to give you in. If you really decided this democratically, if not then the choice is not simple to graph colonialism. We can't normalize that. It's actually to do what they're you know, they are legally obligated to on their international law recognize the national sovereignty of the Puerto Rican people end, you know, we'll have our treaties like any other nations with respect amongst each other. Listen, I could talk about this all day with you unrest. Coincide Silas, better this year of radio Independencia for you. Go. First of all, thank you will bring it back and. The fact I hope you're talking like, you're the type of Weiss, which I say, you're the new Puerto Rican young voices. My generation's already screwed it up. So I, and I think what what I find refreshing about talking to you. Is that I I can see easily talking to someone that you don't agree with import table and actually have an intelligent conversation. We need to do more of that. We can't be screaming at each other or screening healthier. And you in you know, let's because in the end we all we all like good healthy debate. And I think I think, you know, I I hope people listen to this and understand that it's not as simplistic as no one put, you know, three percent of the people in port thirty going like independence, blah, blah, blah. It's not that. But before I let you go. Where can they find your podcast? I know it's in Spanish, but we're gonna we're gonna bring you back on where I wanna keep we got to continue to do this. You know what I mean? So definitely man. I I appreciate it. So we're called the body peninsula. You can we we're actually you can find in social media, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat. Where also we also have a website. It's called the independence dot net. And you can find we have a YouTube channel, you can search us under lighting. Independencia so end. Of course, we heard as podcast in old major podcast platforms A such. Yeah. And and I will say, you know, my offer stands I wanna take a couple of your episodes in Spanish in just putting them up, and you should let me know. I wanna share of course, someone differently the opportunity. I guess they're honest with you. There's a lot of people who can understand it in Spanish. And I think it's important in guys do fantastic work on the risk on Saturdays by Jesse will bring you back from San Juan valley on that peninsula next time of Puerto Rico. We're going to do this over Allison throttles, you know. And I'll bring my recorder will just keep doing it. But I really appreciate your time. And that I certainly well, thank you so much. Thanks. That was under this Luna's better. The people have been telling you this the issue around independence in Puerto Rico is not as simplistic and under his you know, what? Bottom on he laid down a good case. Hope you learned something. And I think the point about the American left understanding that and not just falling into some other traps. I think it raises valid questions, but I also think you know, political ideology the Puerto Rican right has done an amazing job. And also, I would take the Puerto Rican center has done an amazing job in trying to politically de legitimize the Puerto Rican independence movement, the really good at it. Really good. And it's almost like become like, second nature. Believe me all the conversations that I have. And before I let you go guys. I'm journalists. This is what I talk about. Okay. Like, I'm sure I'm going to get tweets by the fact that like this is, you know, I'm I'm I'm part of some I don't know globalist strategy to to to make Puerto Rico independent. That's that's not why I do this guy. Is please the these conversations need to matter. And I'm really glad that hundreds was on. If you like what you heard guys tweet us a Latino rebels. Follow us Facebook, Instagram Twitter writer review tweet at me who lethal seventy seven because you know, when we're there were two thousand nineteen iheart best multicultural podcast nominee podcast of the year special. Thanks as always to our associate producer, Luis Luna Fudo media who made this happen. And like we always do. We'll be back. And like we always do we always close out with play the wedding. The wedding. Here. The old and the Austin at then in fact in power to the five which being incredible covered. Even when everyone is online it in with finding all your favorite live TV. Netflix prime video and more jerks by speaking at one voice. Don't miss the finish train fails out with the old and in with simple, easy Austin's. More quick call or vista store today. Not available. Steve.

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