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Welcome to affording college with Aaron green founder and president of college liftoff. Thirty. Affording college. I'm Erin greenhouse of affording college and found of college left off college, DAV college planning firm. I started to provide solutions for anybody in everybody that's going through college planning, our has college planning needs. Our mission is to secure teens brightest future and save them and their families thousands of dollars in the process we work with teens throughout the entire college planning process starting with personalized one on one critic element work from there. We find the best schools to match our students chosen career paths and interest then offer support throughout the entire mentions process next, we work with families budgets to find the price that makes the most sense for their kids education all while insuring. It's the right fit today. We are hios premier college planning firm. I'm happy to say that where shooting for the world, by the way, and we strive to save time stress and money when it comes to your child's higher education. So that's a little background on myself and college liftoff, I do this podcast. I really want to offer families from solid vice when it comes to planning for college and higher education because there's. So much misinformation out there. The purpose of this podcast is to dispel the Mets and misinformation and really help families. So one of the most important, and yet overlooked aspects of how to do proper effective and successful college planning is really through creative element work. We talk about it all the time in this podcast. And no one knows that better than my coast today. Sarah. Hey, how's it going? Good. Good. Good and page. What's going on? How you guys doing today? So starting with Sarah your rockstar here. College liftoff you've been in visor here with us for about six months. You really are working with families and every step in this process, but you really have a heart for early teens and actually have a background in teaching. She's been working really closely with page college liftoffs manager client planning page has an undergraduate degree in psychology and a graduate degree in education teaching night. Page. You want said in terms of critic element, you're passionate about helping students recognize trained some passions. They didn't recognize fully in themselves leading to careers that they never mentioned or didn't really understand or know about at the time. That is that. Right. Absolutely smart. You should give me a raise. No. It's totally true. It's just amazing when we have students come in even the students who have kind of an idea what they think they want to do so often at something that somebody else's told them, or maybe it's a Crear that someone, you know, has like, I know for instance, I was going to get a degree psychology. I thought that with the guidance counselor did at my element school was really interesting, and it wasn't like from a deeper need to help people or anything. I just thought her job was cool. And that sadly, like no one really talked to me about what I could do with the degree with interested in in some of their area. Like, I just went to school thinking that is what I'll do. I mean hearing today in college planning. So yes, I'm helping people. Yes. I'm guiding them and my counselor in elementary school. I am not. So I think about how if somebody had sat down with me talk to me a little bit about what about psychology. What about guidance counselor work was interesting? I might have moved into a dip. Direction. I'm super super passionate about public health. And since this is the me show will just keep talking about my stuff. We see the same thing in our students. They come in. They might have an inkling or they've been told. Hey, you're really good at this. And so that's sort of informs their idea of potential careers, or at least a potential major and they come in. They sit down with us. And we do this great board exercise with them where we help them identify strings, help them identify even more importantly things they know they don't want to do. And then we look at their strengths and we look at their interests. And then we sort of paired together in Aaron what I like to think of his Aaron's magical formula and health that come up with this enormous list of careers that are potentially viable option for them. And then as we do the work that we do we sit down, and we we continue to research, and as time goes on we get rid of a lot of those careers because they aren't the best fit. But when it clicks with a kid is just so awesome. When they come in to the office. They're like, I love this thing. This is what I wanna do. This is what I love this. This is where I wanna go. What I wanna do? I'm. So happy, and we see it over and over again. I think if at once I'd be like, let's do it again, but pretty much with every student we work with they come in. And they're like, yes, this is that thing that I am born to do if there's a magic pill that we have. And it's not a magic pill per se it, it's it's just a good understanding of the fact that jobs aren't one thing. And I think we hunt suddenly try to put jobs and people and interest in a box and say, here's your one thing. You do this one thing you like psychology, go work and the school, but like you have to put in public health like these other aspects, and when we dissect not just programs at schools, but when we start talking about I setting jobs, and if you ask anybody shoot audience member ask yourself, what does your job really pertain? What are you really doing? And you're gonna come up with a list of probably ten twenty thirty things not two or three. And I think that's where the. Translation is really wrong in this is that at a earlier age. We think off we boil it down to these very boilerplate things that that's the best method in order to get them into. No, it's not it's about talking to students as an adult and having them expand the concept of who they are. And what the jobs are look that look like them and the magic pill to this isn't continuously adding more things to the list. It's about vetting through those things and taking the time to really see what it is. And that's where we get to those points where the kid can walk in and say, you know, what I've sift through all these things we started with it wasn't two hundred at four thousand five hundred universities worth of things. It was about ten to twelve and these are my interest in how they correlate to those. And you know, what this one's for me because I've researched have seen it. I've studied it. I've gotten job exposure to it. Now, I know that this is from me. And that's exactly right. And we have so many students come in and express that oh, they wanna go be an elementary school counselor like you said page, but the. Reality is they only see it from an external position as a student. They don't see the background that goes in and -cation that teacher counselor. How to do and the things that you normally don't think about that accounts are house to do. Right. And so those might be dealbreakers for a student if they actually understood those things so figuring that stuff out now before they even go into it. That's what we're all about idealism. His ideal perspectives of jobs, especially that's what we kinda give our students when their kids when they think about jobs, I say this to every kid walks to the door and every family because it's true most kids know, Dr teacher nurse. My parents who ex that's the extent of the world and truth be told they probably have one or two word terms for each one of those jobs, and they're so vitally in vastly different. But this is how and why we've developed L plus over the past year and trooper toll it takes time to do the stuff, and we've really seen that we really need to start at at at at an early age earlier age early high school, ninth and tenth grade is an fit for one student should be thinking about this on when our students are coming in asking these types of questions and are willing to spend time to do that career development at an earlier age so often I think what we talked to parents. But they're still young. They don't really they have no idea. What they wanna do. We say. Yes, that's. Exactly what you should. I don't want her to come in. And be like. Yep. On fourteen. I'm going to be a lawyer. Yeah. I get it that they're probably some kids out there who already have that in mind. But in general we wanted to help explore and really help just pare down a list. That's it's infinitesimal really tiny include it. So it's infinite. But the list is truly ballistics infinite there, so many choices, and we need to helps us again like Sarah said look at the the less pleasant side of job, and what's less pleasant to you. It's such a subjective list. Yeah. But what's not interesting to you about a job could be totally fascinating to me and vice versa. Need to help them. See this is what this is what a career looks like you're going to do are you content to do all of those things for big part of your life. I mean, I'm amazed at the kids that wanted to actual science because I never. That could ever picks myself. It's that's the if there is a miracle to people in general that somehow I've said down done this board exercise with kids about eight hundred times it's been a little over eight hundred times at this point. But the interesting thing is not a single one of those situations that come out the same. When you take the major specialization minor, you combine them together to see what's the real look of what this kid's going to look like in the end. The combinations are always different. So the world the world is vital in vastly different, thankfully, and and the thing is too and mitt page. You mentioned this like, we'll we'll have kids say, you know, really want to be a lawyer. And then the parents say, well, they've said they wanted to be a lawyer since they were three he's been bring a briefcase arguing over vegetables as but in that same vein that you still want to do the vetting work to make sure that you know, fully what that may. Means I use this scenario a lot of all all the time. Actually, we'll have two cases that walk in the door. When I meet I meet with the kid before they go and work with you guys more on a day to day fashion. I'll have a valedictorian that a walk in and say, I really want to be a neurosurgeon, and then I'll have a three point four kit or whatever the case may be that walks in and says, I have no idea what I wanna do. And you know, the truth the exact same point. Yep. Point the valid torn say neurosurgeon because it sounds smart. They have no real concept of job actually seen in action. They may have an interest in the brain bio, that's kind of extent of it. At least three point four kid is being honest about it. I think the thing that we're we're we're trying to put his that the smarter. You are the more confident, you know, about what the job is that you're gonna wanna do when the truth is that's never been taught to you in the first place. So how would you know, and all the the the key is getting exposure to the work road and saying that that's something -pletely different than negative study. And we've got a separate those two points and making sure that our kids see that at an earlier age. I e doing a lot more job shadowing. That's what the plus is really kind of build around is really just being able to give them exposure to the world that much younger age. So they way we do start studying programs from schools and things like that. They have tangible field for you know, what I know what industrial systems engineer does for a shoe company. I know what a biomedical engineering person does at a prosthetic limb development company. I know what's a physical therapists may do and Neth let training center all these things that are not just static topics be a PT 'cause I like working with athletes they're much more than conversations. And I get it's scary. It's a scary place for an adult and a kid debate. Because droopy told how many people have the time to really investigate that thoroughly. Well, we do we do. Can you hear that? The other part of this equation that I find really fascinating is. I think a lot of times kids come in with sort of a dream career. Maybe it's for whatever reason it somewhat limiting or maybe their parents school where maybe their parents are just super worried that it won't yield any real reading ration-. So their kids are not going to get paid at the end of the day. And so I think one of the great things that we can do is pair a whole complement of careers with someone's interests. So that you don't you don't have to be the kid who winds up playing your violin on the subway platform. Right. We instead can find you a great career in use and the music industry where you can continue to play aiding continue to enjoy music and love things that you do in the world of music, but also find a job that that pays us Alary that gives you life insurance that gives you be health insurance, but health insurance. It gives you all of the things that you need to actually say move on and be an independent adult. And I think so often parents come in and they're just really anxious like she is going to have to live at home forever. Because she wants to be a poet when we can help you with that can help you find a career where poetry is part of it. But you can also bring into paycheck poetry may mean, you have strengthened writing writing from creative standpoint. Which means you may have other pieces that go along with that. Which may means you may have a real strength in the communication wing. Not just communication in general, but maybe more strategic organizational type focus in that. Now, you have new media. And now, you have somebody that's actively designing the interface between people and technology and the heavy program is that actually write the stuff and those people gigantically vital today. And so that's where you can take these skills that we just again think of a static things, and they really become born dynamic as you start inputting into the inputting of pieces of their interests into this and setting career fields. Actively pertain to that. And then not sticking to a love the example music because we think of that as a one shot thing within that industry know, the truth is that's a full industry just like any other where you have yet musicians which are like shooting for the pros. No question there. But then you also have technological side of that which is audio and to some degree video production, which incorporates and hires a lot of different people. And then you have a whole business aspect of music. Whether it be working at the local orchestra within your city or working for record label and all the business aspect pieces that go along with that it's about getting into industry and still taking that along with it. And making those things connect like I have been saying this a lot recently international businesses, a terrible major. It's terrible. Because it doesn't really say anything. It's just saying you wanna work in a nationally. A major IAS skillset is like finance marketing, it's counting its opperations management things. Like that. That's a skill set. International businesses and industry connector saying you wanna take finance and work at internationally. So you do a major in finance, minor international business. Same thing goes here. You can swap international business out with music management. Sports management. Doesn't matter. You wanna find the skill set and take it to that industry? And then got an end. And just like, you know, you said that not every boy that or not boy that you've created is the same as the next one. Similarly, like the job hats that our students go down in their majors lead to different results. Right. And every lawyer that is going to school to be a lawyer doesn't come out with the same result. They can specialize in different things. And it's really. Partnering up those interest in. What makes you you? And figuring out how you can change the world around you after you get out of college that you can partner those things together with patent attorneys. Yeah. Are engineers. That's a very different thing than a civil Arnie. Let me note works for the state in works on criminal cases was very different than pharmaceutical. Like, you can get any type of version of that as you really want depending on the area. Computer, science built the same way. There's a version of computer science in every single field. Now, it's not just the technical field. I mean, you have everything from computational biology and the in the health related fields to the even the more tech versions of library information science, you can get into more liberal arts categories, like it's spans of and again it boils down to their multiple things that make up degree sets and jobs and people, and that's what you have to do is look at it from more than namic perspective, not static. It's not a time line or like linear trajectory, it's like a choose your own adventure type thing. Yeah. It really is. That's a great perspective. All this as you gotta start early. That's one of the great things about coming in and doing work with college liftoff because we want to give you access exposure to what what your career looks like, and we like to bring in real world examples of people who are working in their industries. We talked about how they got there. What they did in the work leading up to what they're doing now. And we talk about what that looks like going forward for them, you know, and what they're hoping for because what we know is that very few of us. Now, we don't work like we did like sixty years ago where you know, you start a job at twenty two and you finish when you're sixty sixty five and you do the same thing all the way through our jobs, change and warp all the time and even within an industry or within a company the work that you do often shifts pretty dramatically, and so it's really terrific to bring in like a group just in the month of February. Yeah, we brought in a group of counselors and social workers to talk about what it looks like to work in that profession. And people talked about, you know, that both the high points and the difficulties in working in these careers, and it was it was fascinating. I think our students gained a lot of information. I think that we probably inspired if you people to to move forward. And I think we probably similarly inspired a few people to look elsewhere. It just you know, after hearing from other people about what this really looks like maybe they decided it's not for them. And then the nice thing is we can take that same interest area and just shifted a little bit and talk about well, you know, maybe you don't wanna do say social working hospital setting, but what about child life or one about? Let's look here. Let's look at public out there. So many different ways that we can spend the same set of interests, and strengths and just turned it into the perfect fit for you. With a panel. They were three different perspectives on what social work really was. I mean, it was everything from working at children's hospital to work in clinically. And then also working for a new American based group and seeing how that was done in the giving the real of what their day to day, I've looks like within those areas again that way this student whoever that student may be that sitting in that audience can now see and understand that and really gave to grasp. Now, this is social work. You know, granted it's still from three perspectives. But it's three times more than they've had before versus just an ideal perspective of what they may have thought of it before one hundred percent and those three perspectives. They all majored in has they have different backgrounds. One of them was photography, right. And they just landed into social work through experience through different past experiences in jobs. Real quick quick anecdotal pieces. Like, what's it like working with younger students? This is something that we're this is new to college left off. We we've traditionally worked with really student starting in their junior year. This is an additional add on service because our clients have come to us, and and really have asked us about this. What can we do at a younger age in order to to to help our help their kids foster better understandings of jobs in PISA? So CO blesses was basically created by Clinton in order to to help them. Do this a lot better, but bent some fun experiences? Our first time of my students. They're just Sinoe ready to jump into the research and look at colleges and look at careers, while others will admit they know nothing about the world of work or the world of college. But they're open to starting with workshops that we have monthly and going to job shadowing events. Even if they weren't necessarily job shadowing opportunities that aligned with majors that you had pointed out. In their board. They're open to those opportunities and experiences. I think having that time, you know, if they are starting in ninth grade, we've got four years to develop what it is like and dislike and having the opportunity with time on our side gives us that benefit to do both for students. Absolutely. I think too. We really can help the parents because I think so much of this. The earlier program is very parent driven. The parents the parents are very interested. They're already really thinking ahead about the the Bill that they're going to pay for college. And they wanna make sure I mean, they wanna maximize the opportunity right? They've heard the rumors that college now take six point two years, and they they wanna make sure that doesn't happen until they don't really know how to to make it. So that their kids go through them for years, but they've heard that we can help. And so when when our college looked plus families come in. They the parents typically said to us, I don't know what he wants to do is that. Okay. Yeah. That that's why we sit down, and we do a lot. I I would say that we break down the pieces of career planning to very basic level. Because again, we have that kind of time we down we can talk a lot about like fit factors in work and in your college. We can talk about the intersection of purpose passion, you know. And we, and it's so great when we talk about it because we illustrate the point the points beautifully like everybody stomach job where it pays the bills. But they're not passionate about the work that they do. Right. Like their pizza delivery drivers, you know. And then we talk about areas where people are like find somebody that they're really really passionate about like, I would just go readykids every day. But nobody's offered to pay me any money. So much fun. But no-one said here's a million dollars. Go go read some children. Right. And so then we talk about jobs where you alternately are quite good at what you do. But again, you just you don't enjoy the work that you're doing. And ultimately, we wanna find an area where we combine the things that you really love to do with things you're really good at and then at the end of the day a paycheck that you can be happy with because you said, I really like what I do like, I feel I'm very filled in the work that I do. And so that's the kind of experience that we can have with our younger students because we can really sit down and talk about all of those pieces and make sure that we're not identifying just one area, but rather hitting all of them and bringing them together. So that they can eat really fulfilled in the work that they do for the next. Let's say five years because again their job will change over time. But in that work that they deal moving forward. Honestly, that's pretty plainly with students when they walk in the door. You really don't want to chase money. Do something. You know, you're gonna love but insane vein always always understand the financial realities of which walking into. So that way you can plan for it better. And if we know all that stuff up front three four five six seven eight years before you even start in the field. I mean, we've got a tunnel landing ground that we can really prepare these kids. And yeah, if you're going to make a smaller salad for a particular field, we can control the college costs and make sure that that worked for you. And same thing goes for anything in between if you're making something with a higher salary, but you don't have to sacrifice what you're doing. Or what you wanna do? Because of that. The problem is when students go off and just do this and say, I'm going to be a social worker or somebody that's an early education where they do traditional have lower starting salaries, and they take one hundred grand in debt. Exactly probably to blunt about it. But you're done like you're not going to do that job because you can't afford to do it. I mean, you're you're you sacrifice your entire financial future. And the truth be told you can't afford to do that thing. Now. That's the difference. Here is that we want and we need good teachers. We need consults workers. We have to be able to plan for this stuff better with them. So that way they can afford to be that in the career paths period. We've got to do that. So this kind of get says to one of the questions we've actually gotten for this week. It actually came from parents that were received and I'll just read the read the Email letter says hi college left off. We have a daughter who will be entering high school in the fall. She's fourteen years old is an excellent student wind. Should we be thinking about preparing for college? Now. Down to one now. That's that's pretty much. The crux of talked about debate. Any final thoughts that you guys would add to convert another piece that we do with a lot of ours. GOP students curriculum planning even making sure that their high school curriculum aligns with preparation for college and beyond making sure that they're taking the right classes and performing well in those classes as well. Still the kind of quiet secret today about high school college planning special curriculum side is that it's no longer a be doing all these three buckets of things and make sure you have a mole filled. It's kind of now be directed. So making sure that you are taking the right science courses, if your medical bound engineering bound or just general science bound or if you're more down the teaching variety, or if you're more down the like business communication route. You've kind of have to focus in your disarm degree, focus, your, Hercules, really, try to focus your curriculum into that particular perspective. You wanna pay the narrative? But four years the plan instead of one or two we can really we can help kind of drive things in the right direction for your entire resume. Whether it's your activities, or your volunteer work. We have an awful lot of kids who come in early in their senior year to work with us, and they have three volunteer hours. Right. Just want more colleges. Expect more right? It's a lot harder for us to to backfill. Right. If you come in and your senior year, it it doesn't give us much time to to help you get those tier hours to get those experiences that are so vital before you go off to college. If you come in and work with us as a freshman or sophomore, we can say, you know, this summer would be a terrific time for you to maybe go volunteer Cosi where you are interested in doing some stem related work that will then inform. The the major that you choose in college or to take on a job that again gives you some real world experience in an area that you're interested in those are all great things that we get to do and we can talk. About I think kids a lot of times have this. Pretty outdated notion of of just the number of activities, they need to have on their schedule and get on the resume to say, I was really great at everything that I did all the time. And I did a lot of different things. We can help them. Make more informed decisions moving on. And again, it just it's the benefit of time. Until you don't want one three. Honestly, you went three and you phoned in on and you've taken leadership roles you've really showing some peak interest in those and especially now talking about certain fields. I mean, we're seeing undergraduate degrees like even the two year level like the PTA's, we're at trooper told they're requiring you have certain amount of volunteer hours at forty two twenty forty or sixty and different settings even not just at some random place that you saw would be willing to house you for a couple of hours. But now they are serious about that. If you just finding that out when you start application season if you're doing this on your own and you find that out in September. You're not going to be not going to say, it's not gonna happen. So you've got to do the stuff earlier we've got to be able to blame for an earlier. That's again, that's the whole premise of cultural stuff. Plus, and why we've created this model it's expansion for service into the ninth and tenth grade model for that reason for that exact reason makes your parents and students are more prepared. Well, I'm glad you mentioned that parents because in addition to you a lot of the workshops that we offer per students. We offer separate workshops just for the parents because I think parents especially younger students are really hungry. For more information and good quality information about how to help their students adequately prepare, and they know they know that the influence that they have it fourteen is really different than the influence that they'll be able to exert it seventeen. And so they wanna get in early and be able to help their students make good choices. And if we can help them identify, the soft skills that students need to be successful or great, you know, financial planning vehicles to make sure that they have enough money to support their students through school. Those are great conversations that we love to have their family. I was gonna say this isn't even talking about the money and what we need to do to prepare for an alert. That's a whole other broadcast because it's all those pieces that we talked about just today just on the side of figuring which one do with younger age whole different story. You have to prepare those things earlier period. So what are some of the? Workshops that we're doing with some of our parents just again to kind of give them that earlier pieces. Well, well, right now in April, we've got one set up for what your student needs to know, some of those soft skills patriots talking about and how you can start developing that with your student now before they had off to college. In addition. We talk about or we have a workshop for which test. And when when you should be preparing for the SAT's all of that stuff. Yeah. And that's something that our parents are always asking about. Yeah. More about the application process. College visits if you're a student, Scott, an IEP or five or four or please sport. How do you incorporate that into the college search so a whole bunch of great information for parents great? Well, thank you Sarah page today. Thank you listeners for listening. As always if you have any question that you'd like us to answer. Please feel free to Email us at Hello at college dot com. You can also reach us at six one four three two nine six six three three. And please always follow us on social media. Whether it be Instagram Facebook Twitter to search for college lift off and you'll find us. Also, visit us a college liftoff dot com for more information, and you'll get access to our blogs or podcast there as well. And please subscribe to afford in college wherever you get your podcast, whether it be I tune Spotify. Wherever the case may be thanks again. We'll see you next time. College liftoff can help empower you to make college affordable for your student. 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