01-13-20 Australias lesson on fire management


Walk into native America calling from Studio Forty nine in Albuquerque. I'm Tara Gate. Would the devastating brush fires in Australia have captured. The world's house attention years of drought. An incremental damage from climate change factors as the country rises from the ashes. We can all stand to learn more about found ways to prevent similar devastation coming up. We'll hear about traditional land management from an indigenous perspective including preventable controlled Burns. We go live right after national. Native News This is National Native News Antonio Gonzalez in Canada hundreds of people marched in Vancouver and Winnipeg over the weekend to protest. I Natural Gas Pipeline Project as Dan Carpenter Chuck reports. They're also supporting a first nation which is fighting the pipeline one march went from the British Columbia a Supreme Court Downtown Square. The anger is over an injunction order last week that gives people at a protest camp seventy two hours to allow construction workers to do their work. Coastal gas leak which owns the pipeline has deals in place with twenty elected. First nations councils along the pipelines three hundred and fifty mile route however it does not would have the support of hereditary chiefs which have authority over the broader territory in Winnipeg. Protestors held a round dance in support of the opponents of the Pipeline Solidarity Ladera across Canada and across North America. That we're here to show solidarity our relatives and our people and to also hold count ability And transparency to RCMP. We're watching and we will take action and we will always be sollidarity with our relatives no matter what until the end last week. The United Nations Committee for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination called for a halt to the project. 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They've taken the lies of at least twenty-six people an estimated one billion animals. They've scorched at least one and a a half million acres of land. The fires are renewing the longstanding debate over the best way to manage lynn to try and prevent such widespread devastation. Indigenous people in both Australia in the United States have traditional practices of intentional burning but our experts and policymakers listening into the traditional ecological knowledge of indigenous people. Today we'll talk with fire management experts about controlled burns on their traditional territory. And we WanNa know what you think. Have you experienced forest fires in your own homeland. And is your tribe working to manage. The land traditionally phone lines are open. The number is one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight is the number and joining us today. Out of Portland. Oregon is Bodey Shaw. He is a northwest Deputy Pity regional director of trust services for the Bureau of Indian Affairs and he is a member of the confederated tribes of warm springs. Our pleasure to have him here for another one of our programs rams bodey welcome. Thank you and Also here through skype from Bell Rat Victoria. Australia is Gary Morgan. He is as a principal consultant for global wildland fire management services. Our pleasure to have him here Gary Welcome Tara and thank you in so a lot of people are really concerned with the fires that are going on in Australia. Especially in our indigenous nations Definitely have seen a a lot of people Talking about this online and so we wanted to definitely given update of where things currently stand. And so Gary. I'm going to start off with you. Tell it's a little bit about worthing Stan and of course how much this has impacted indigenous nations. Certainly Tara. Look this fire. Season is being laid in by woolen. Normal temperatures the hottest year on record and the driest arrived year on record For All of Australia in every state and territory the flaws of mainly in three different states. Kettering in Yeah New South Wales Victoria and South Australia that burnt. Now between the fifteen million ike is So that's SORTA spos- roughly eighty percent of the equivalent of eight percent of the state of Washington or more than state of Kentucky Normally people would expect. It would've been bit avast. That wasn't the case. Listen half a percent from US and the rest is naturally literally induced fob by lightning And there have been going in New South wiles full two and a half months sir one four so this we've got a an ecological disaster But there is solutions and we can talk about that too indeed into Gary very reasons why these fires seem to be so bad right now. Is this combination of poor. Land Management and the lack of prescribed burning and Laco following through on traditional learning ernest burning principles and title disregard for Good Land Management of the forest estate and climate. Change has been blamed as the cause does. Climate change is certainly adding to the ferocity of these wildfires But it's not the salt 'cause and we clearly. The the message should be there that we need to do. More land management prescribed burning for hazard reduction and the unfortunately you love the politicians and some People from more. The Urban Five Auditing Brigades sighing. We need bigger and in better aircraft and money has been provided for more aircraft but on many of the days when the major runs the ause Teiken Oleic the aircraft on the ground because to the winds too strong and it's too smoky to operate safely anyway in in so when he comes to. Aboriginal Communities I know that many different aboriginal people have stepped up and are fighting the fire along with others anyone. Can you share about the work that you've done with aboriginal. Firefighters in land managers certainly The the the traditional liners Across Australia Bank such a large country and Different digitization tops. This continued to be the traditional burning in the northern part of Australia and particularly in the Savannah country and in fact a lot of traditional artists Utilizing the benefits of doing burning up there to gain Carbon credits and receiving money to do so Helping get the land back into its natural state rather than doing like Boone's is an early burnings of the forest using modern and techniques for helicopters as well not just doing it all by the ground But as we moved south and you go down to the southeast and pot of Australia Ran Victoria and Tasmania traditional burning practices. It totally died out. I've lost generation or two and we're trying to reintroduce down the and we have Traditional liners as ranges in the forest And and we are trying to get back using the principles. We can't do it. Exactly the way used to be done in the past to remember that the traditional additional ernest where he of burning a forest for many thousands of years and European colonization. designee could could I the last couple of Sainsury's and It has really forced a policy of stopping thing falls rather than putting more far in the environment to prevent fires and So I always have the feeling that This time to the part of our is when you really need to go out there with a a woolen jumper on rather than a helmet on your head. Choubey young yet locking the Fawzia in the cooler months. What's and then you died? End Up having to go out and fought the pause with a helmet on your head in the hot weather. And I'm wondering to what some of the reasons it's got to that point where it's die down and I know you've mentioned colonization in what happens when indigenous people are saying. Hey we need to do some of this. Is there pushback that comes to you here in the states. What about in your own community Traditional burning methods. Are you practicing them. We're going to hear a little bit more about some of the things that are in place But your thoughts go ahead and join us one. Eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is the number we are go ahead and hear about some of those that are right there. A fighting on the fire This is Vanessa Cavanagh. She's in aboriginal from the Bungee and yelling One Ria tripe and she was a firefighter and is now getting her. PhD focusing on Aboriginal Women and cultural burning here. She is on the good fire. podcasts talking about her traditional views on burning my family my aboriginal me and my parents and the brothers and sisters and aunts and uncles and elders within our community who would talk about far in a different way. So you know. Even though I was formally formally trained as a fly fought I also had the belief systems that were found it on a relationship with country and that fire was hot hot. Oh fat and that. Because I grew up on acreage with my mom and Dad had bought acreage when I first got married. We had acreage to manage. Which and Practice Aso so we will always burning that landscape and mom and dad would talk about all we have to go and burn over here because the this part of these paddocks dirty or this bushier is dirty? We have to clean it up in that again with Vanessa. Cavanagh in Aboriginal Firefighter N. P.. Ahd Student in Buda hearing some of Vanessa's words and understanding. We have that obligation to the land will rethinking. Well thanks and you know a number of ideas come to mind especially when it comes to those traditional owners aboriginal or tribal here in the United States. It's we've been discussing with our elders for for decades about trying to get back to when fire was put on the land land at specific times specific reasons and that timing was so critical I'll use from the northwest travel perspective huckleberry huckleberry as as a traditional food we. We're starting to lose that. But we were able to start to incorporate fire back into the ecosystem A vaccine species or the huckleberry itself is can be reinvigorated when we do put light fire fire on the land. Much as I'm sure. Vanessa's talking about G- as Gary was alluding to it's so important that we're able to get back to that. But Gary also pointed out we have to be cognizant of a changing climate. It's not as simple as maybe our Our parents grandparents great grandparents. Excuse me one hundred years ago when we were able to put that fire on the land. It's a little more complex now It has its own. Set of difficulties has many fire. Practitioners his tribal folks who are listening today. completely understand We continue to move in that direction but a variety of complexities that we have once once again to be cognizant of thank you for that body Shell on the line with us today From the Bureau of Indian Affairs also a member of the confederated tribes of warm springs and on the line from Bell. Red Victoria. Australia is Gary Morgan. The principal consultant for Global Wildland Fire Management Services. And we'RE GONNA get deeper into this in here What a partnership that has even gone from our tribal nations here in the US to aboriginal nations? There in Australia all of that is coming up but again we are inviting you into this conversation and maybe you have some understanding of traditional a fire burning methods in what about adapting them to our environment today any thoughts one eight hundred nine six two eight. Four eight is a number We know there are many in our need of nations WHO stand up and volunteer to fight? Fires Maybe you're listening to and you've been watching what's been going on in Australia Any thoughts you can share your thoughts by calling in one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight is the the number we do look forward to hearing from you and Bee's phone lines will stay open so go ahead. Make them ring Northern tribes have long ice fishing traditions. But today this board has also evolved into an economic endeavor for Tribes Boreholes and pick like ice and drop a baited Hook in some large rectangle and wake with a fishing spear learn more about tribal able ice fishing on the next native America. 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Anything you WANNA share about that or maybe even Conversations that are coming up right now with what Austrailia is facing shaw. Oh Tara At Sei that landscape scale hazard reduction burning as a modern bushfire mitigation tool. He's really something which uses all of principles of traditional liners that is bad putting five back into the environment and the the forestry proficient over here in Australia has been doing that since the nine fifties and trying to Manage the land skype side. that it doesn't have the fuel build up to a live away again to have high intensity walled ause Wall pause which which have huge impacts on animals birds and reptiles and fish even Let alone having impacts on the the human population in the infrastructure infrastructure and and over here at the state some commentators in the media outlets promoting the view that broad skull hasn't reduction burning Over for us is the answer to stopping disastrous flaws and there the olives who don't show that enthusiasm and are opposed to the practice in the defending spending the climb Saying climate change and that no amount of has had fuel reduction would prevent those flaws in in fact by views carry degree of truth but also exaggeration. Not even the biggest waterbombing aircraft Can Stop the head of a major while that's burning under extreme conditions It is self evident that they will hazard reduction though any cannot stop the full would spread of a very intense bourgeois. Who you know the behavior that stages in driven by extreme with patents rather than the the high fuel load loyd however it is reality that about ninety five percent of walls burn under moderate conditions? And that's when the behaviors promptly primarily driven by the fuel lines in the forest and the intensive those five it can be substantially mitigated if they have reduced fuel lights from previous has obscured action burning so the primary values reducing the forest fuel. Loads is at an enables. PA Part is to move quickly and control. Mice fall is with this area being saying but it's clear that most of the huge ause we are now experiencing it either here where initially burning under mild conditions conditions and it is apparent that the reduced fuel lights in the forest would've assisted for Potus to control is vase. Before the onset. The dangerous fallout where the conditions. Which stand my these files on controllable? It makes it makes a lot of things connect in into Stephen Thinking about You know how the damage could have been less in exactly what you're describing in You know when you you think about that here in maybe Bodey you truly understand about pushback or even just seeing the benefits of being able to clear those areas he is so that when it does when it when a large fire does come through. There's ease and even the safety of the firefighters a body give us a view on how awesome you know taken or if there's ever pushback when tribes or tribal nations are saying it's time to do some prescribed burning glad body thank you terror yes And as we've actually addressed on native America calling in years past when we do have those catastrophic wildfires there's especially in Indian country. We get the politicians attention. They seem to be engaged. But when the smoke leaves. And that's when it's incumbent upon US UH says the federal leaders to tribal leaders to keep pushing this ball uphill. It is important as we see an have for the past century a century the Of Pudding every fire out it has tremendous negative impacts. And that's what we're trying to right that wrong tribes I think are very well positioned Russian and I'll use the northwest tribes here in North Western. US that are very active very aggressive. They have engaged aged tribal leadership tribal elders and have really tried to pattern those preventive measures fire prevention as an example Free Suppression Burns has fueled reductions as as Gary was. Mentioning tribes are very aggressive Tribal resiliency is something we try to do. We Fund very specifically and it is about proper forest health community health But it can't be done in a vacuum and I think that's the Nice thing that Garry has has brought to this is this really is a globalization issue. It's not myopic to just our own travel forest forest really is a global initiative when it comes to addressing fire fire impacts catastrophic fire. And maybe we'll talk a little bit about that later but I'm very proud of what our tribes have been able to do when we accomplish. Our are prescribed fire hazard fuel reductions because it does make a difference and I think car travel members and maybe those listening may want to chime in and the benefits that they do see by continual annual practising of of a hazard fuel reduction and I think that is so critically important. Thank you for that in coming up in our world. We're GonNa hear what is going on in the Kudlow Dr. What about in yours? Give us a call. One eight hundred nine six two eight. Four eight is the number and body. Something is going on. A connection between indigenous richness spaces Tell us a little bit about the. Bi Exchange with Australia. Yeah and I'm very happy to have gary on On the line Gary has been a leader With the US and Australia New Zealand connection for a number of years. This isn't a a relationship relationship that started nearly seventy years ago back then. Gary mentioned from the Australian perspective force managers were noticing and really started to affect effect change back in the fifties will part of effecting change is reaching out across our government lines to other countries that have you've been experiencing those same challenges and as many on the phone. No back in the fifties sixties seventies. It really was starting to turn into two quite a challenge and the impact and threat to our travel community. So back in in the early fifties like I said nearly seventy years ago this exchange of of of knowledge that Australians New Zealanders can bring to the to the United States Canada. Mexico's joined here of late. In its sharing once again the knowledge and experience that has really helped us combat if it comes down to the suppression As as a suppression option that we've experienced now sending US firefighters over to Australia. And reciprocity occurred back in two thousand fifteen with Australian and New Zealand firefighters. It is so important because it's not only the current suppression active engagement. But it's what we learn from each other off fire season as everyone. Most everyone on the phone knows Australia's currently in their summer for equivalency. It'd be what July thirteenth here in United States dates heavily into that active component of of fire suppression but having that shared once again knowledge experience. has been so key and once again Gary. It's been a great Great advocate for that globalization across international time for a cross international lines and. Bi has sent many tribal members across. And I think that's says a lot one we bring that knowledge college back and we're hoping to get Some of our tribes engaged with an exchange as well. I think that's so critically important in buddy. Are there any cruise over there now. There are. I think we're on our third wave and when I say wave We initially had sent Firefighters over in November mid December. And I believe getting ready for a third deployment and as I mentioned The Australia still kind of in the middle of their fire season so we would expect aspect if needed to be able to provide a support. Most of them are right now. Mid level managers as an example helicopter managers aircraft craft managers strike team later individual some incident Command Positions Command General Staff Positions But that's changing the the enormity of this fire which Australia is currently experiencing Gary talk more about that. I don't know if ever we've ever seen in something like that so Really calling on many available resources from the states from Canada to provide that assistance gary anything to add just like to say a big. Thank you to biology and the person who you worked with Tom. FRY From the La who actually Tom- FRI- put together the The the first agreement back in two thousand dollars to come across across that was done the agreement from the first phone call from arrange guile I've it to myself and then to having having played on the ground was just over. Wake at it was a tremendous if it was based on trust trust developed by that sharing of knowledge that Bernice spoke about over the seventy odd years and particularly previously in the nineteen ninety nine For study the two with the Americans came across that that included some very senior pipeline. They'd Jerry Williams Regale Joe Cruise Mike Rotunda LS Forbes. lowry Parrot Harry crop to the ones that come to mind for me And the fact of the were they soul. Although there was an opportunity that develop the trust. I saw that we're operating under the same system of work that you do over the manly because previous study twos insane that The way the Americans were organized for firefighting was the best way to go. So we changed that practices to along with that and and So things have moved from them but we've also had research sharing of research knowledge between nothing particularly important cheer have had a a few of your notable researchers came across particularly from the community side which has been very helpful. And so you know it's a big. Thanks thanks thirties bringing a great supporter of the The exchange and making sure that we actually do along and he actually spent time in Australia on on a US. An exchange himself and that'll helps to work at all through together. Make sure that we're able to bounce off ideas. Jonathan learned from one another. I don't think anyone person's got all the knowledge no How exciting to hear about some of this in? We know that there are many many people in our communities that step up. Maybe you've been on one of these crews anything you want to share one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight is the number in so boaty he would. Can you share with us about your time there. Maybe things that you were able to learn in bring home And and thank you for that. Because 'cause I think it was critically important one of my What I really wanted to get accomplished so I was there? Two thousand two thousand nine was really spending in time with the aboriginal owners are the traditional owners The Ni- you people of the northern territories. I was able to spend time with and really have a better understanding house of one national politics when it comes to The aboriginals from Australia's perspective and then conversely me as a travel member number coming from the United States. And we don't need to get into the politics that we've gone through for the last two hundred years we as as tribes but really. It was a distinct a lot of distinctions between treatments but also treatments as a as an entity but then also treatments that as as Gary started to talk about how they put fire on the landscape very specific about the timing effort influence and and every every year An aboriginal honored by the Prime Minister which I thought was fantastic and the year I was there. was an individual who actually did did practical applications of fire on the landscape and and a thing of beauty one to be recognized of that but really seeing that the impression I was is getting with the Australian government really trying to take into account that traditional environmental knowledge and utilize that to the best of their ability and as Gary was mentioning the complexities have continued to to become an item that has to be addressed. But it's very difficult very hard to to address those special on such a large scale. But I think we continue to make those strides and we do it in the states as well and I and I applaud our tribes specialist. It's tribal forced us. Use me tribal fire programs working in concert with their foresters and really continuing to to lay that A lot of what. Our elders have put to us Anyway just really tying those two the two countries together this exchange program and really hope to get more tribal members involve also that we can continue to work with our aboriginal partners as well as Fire practitioners around the country of Australia. There any department torch firefighters who are interested in that. Where do they go or where should they look things up? Yeah so the the National Interagency Fire Center out of Boise is really They lead the effort. They do the request for action so to speak where you can develop and lay out your crew. What the experiences that are Australia requires? We WanNA make sure we we're hitting what they're requesting of us once again. Mostly here of the last few deployments have been for those mid level managers. But we really would like to open that up if we can to those tribal contracting active programs as an example. And I've spoken about this at a couple of conferences. Here of late Right now we're tied into federally. which is the specifics but The specific requirements. But I do see that we will eventually have that opportunity Once we wrangle out some of the some of the intricacies on sending employees abroad but still Just a fantastic program and I and I really hope to get those tribes. Many of or northwest tribes and California have had Australia New Zealand fire managers visit during those suppression. I've mentioned two thousand fifteen as an example example We also had them over here in two thousand eight and so the tribes have some initial knowledge of working working with those The New Zealander and Australian contingent which just helps make this program Grow even more. Maybe that's the part of the story. Sorry that you have some thoughts on or some experience with maybe even getting some of this knowledge In fighting one of the most devastating fires that was in your area or one that you went to another part of the country even butted up against the tribal nation you can share your thoughts going give Serene one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is a number and you can also leave your comments directly on our website native America calling dot com. and Oh we're on social media too many different ways to get at us but you can dial in were live and we're also looking forward to your thoughts We're going to hear about could've tribe coming up after the break If there's anything you want to share about traditional knowledge going into firefighting There in the community you you can tell us about it or even in your own go ahead and dial in one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is the number and maybe just even thoughts on and managing the land especially against a serious wildfires. 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Cultural Revitalization Department of Natural Resources for the tribe and bill is cut our pleasure to have him here bill. Welcome and bill. Traditional knowledge of the land goes In many direction in even firemen enjoyment. Any YOU WANNA share out how we heard a little bit from Both Bodey in Gary about the importance in the wealth that traditional knowledge brings Talk to us about how it's being utilized iced in your own community Yeah we have been Scaling up or use of Of of fire for for the past decade or two here in our KOTAK aboriginal territory A lot out of it has been focused on private lands in in the beginning and But but we've been in doing A lot more in getting some fuels reduction activities on the on the federal lands through through establishment of partnerships like the the Western powers restoration partnership and And engagement with Other networks like the tricks coaches network and fired after learning that work And and those types of things We we are now doing Collaborative planning At the landscape scale to where we've we've Initiated our first demonstration project of about fifty five hundred hundred acres called the integrated while fire management project where we intend to do linear manual mechanical fuel treatments around mid slope private in holdings holdings and And use those features where we treat to you to put fire on the ground And and and Use a prescribed burning initial treatment in some areas and bill. What would you like to say about why it is important? to burn well traditionally You know our world renewal ceremonies are serve as a reminder of what we're supposed so do Where when and why and We still perform those ceremonies And so what we're working to do you In the future is is to restore conditions conducive of A revitalizing those ceremonial practices. Because because fire is the central component to our our native American cultural identity and and You know reestablishing doing those indigenous fire. US practices will will be critical in preserving Who we are as an indigenous people? Talk to me a little bit about some some of that renewal especially with what the plan school through or even Burning area where certain plants that burn pretty fast. I are kind of pushed out of the area. Talk to me a little bit about that. Plant management this also going on. Yeah so you know. Our Basket Weavers recieve have not had adequate access to Weaving materials For quite some time hasn't been till just the last decade gate That we've been able to get some good fire on the ground and and And provide some access to for those folks to we've But there other components that were working on You know traditionally that was a female practice to to manage For for those plants And then but then the male male role in that system is was to To manage for the animals and so the the animals you know men could be burning on one side of the river while the women were burning on the other side of the river and and You know burning being in something like a live oak stand Draws the large ungulates. You know the deer and elk To to that favored browse Whereas where whereas if you don't do both Things in close proximity and you only burn for the basket materials then and they have a tendency to go and browse on those instead and and so you really have to look at that landscape scale and think about other interactions like like that And those those reminders are are then the knowledge and information on that is held in our in our deer skin dance. What's that we do every other year and and that tells us you know that we're supposed to be helping move the deer back and forth across the river every other year so bill? What kinds of education do you do in your community about these type of burns We are a co host of of the Klamath River prescribed by training exchange And so that's That's a an effort where we bring you know at eighty eighty to one hundred twenty people together annually and in early October to Come together and you know. Burn together and learn together. Talk about Some of these the reasons why we burn culturally as well as you know Getting fire and places where is strategic Egypt for the Hazard Fuels Reduction Component In addition to to that We also go to local grade schools chiefs in we've integrated Some foundations of our traditional knowledge practice and belief systems into K.. Eight through twelve lesson plans In that curriculum for some of our local schools and we also do demonstrations about You know what what fire is. And and How you use it and in those In those in the in the grade schools hoping that we can eventually Bring some more more fire practitioners up Sure sure in they talk a lot anytime Folks come to who different classrooms People are working in fire management and then their pitchers then you start seeing it in there so I can see you can see that connection BILL BILL IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BURN their property share some of that knowledge of just steps to take or just what the Things to consider. Well one of the things that we're also trying to do is we're trying to build our programs Out to serve as a support network for family based burning and so We're starting with one of our traditional burn windows in the spring You know traditionally additionally in the one of the one of the stand types At least in our country that that has diminished significantly as far as sir conifer encroachment is concerned. Unifier fusion is is the Black Oak White Oak Woodland and so a lot of times places where people live are in those areas and so What we're trying to do is to build that support network for family base burning And and through uh through processes established like the indigenous peoples. Bring that work and And so here there's typically Two Week Window In in around February where the sun pops out for a couple of weeks and so but but the birds and things like that have not come back to to nest and so. That's usually the window. Where we're we're we're trying to encourage and support Local local landowners and local families to To engage in in some of these practices that were employed here for Millennia Those types of stands typically exist on low to mid elevation south southwest slopes which are the most volatile In the extreme mm-hmm. Weather's weather events that that you see in in in the summer months and so It's important to burn off the flashy fuels rules. Those leaves that that are are put down Regular every year by by those deciduous species And and to be able to prepare around your home for for fire season in so when we think about this on a larger scale into the tribe is going forward with a prescribed burn Are there ever challenges jurisdictional challenges on maybe even different kinds of land. Trust land feeling anything you want to share bill There are the one of the big things. Ah Air Permits That you have to get And those those aren't necessarily required in some counties racism in Siskiyou County. They're not required And in Humboldt County they are and so working with the With the The county air districts Can be a challenge. I know that the tribe tribe kind of US views applying for a permit as a as a diminishment of our sovereignty We we We haven't seated cheated any of these rights Through any formal treaty or anything You know the doctrine of Reserve a reserve rights doctrine Explicitly states that that You know the treaties are designed to to remove rights not Not to grant them and so so We don't have a tree that takes that away from us and so we you know we want to build old partnerships with agencies. Because we are a jurisdictional body are are con- The cutter. Trouble Constitution is is is unique in in that aspect in that it is it is The jurisdiction applied Through that document is is applicable people to the entirety of our Our Aboriginal territory and so in essence that creates a In overlapping jurisdiction and a Lotta time state and federal and county local government agencies. Don't don't recognize that or or understand the dynamics of that and so we're we're trying to educate those folks says well There there has been a lot of progress in that regard guard and particularly with some recent establishment of some BI programs Like the Reserve Tree Rights Lands Program and that helped us fund activities You know in other areas where where those overlaps exist well sounds like very very important conversations that need to be had in in glad to hear that maybe even some of them are happening and so bill. We are getting ready to wrap things up here in a lot of times when we talk about prescribed Burns People push back and just general public and and think that this is something that is very devastating for the the animals. The insects anything to share about the reality Yeah it's You know we we really need to get past this mindset that we have to be afraid of flyer I mean it is devastating today but ultimately gently. We need to make this a societal norm again in reestablishing our traditional knowledge practice and belief pathways in our local Average landscapes Because if we don't you know we will be subject to to Climate being the the primary driver for how fire behaves saves If we can get back to reestablishing patchwork of or mosaic of frequent burns even in a wind-driven weather event. It won't be it you know it shouldn't it never was historically a continuous large swath. Where fire are just moves? Twelve fifteen miles in a day in that gets very scary. Thank you for that Bill. And I'M GONNA turn to Gary Morgan who's also here joining us out of Stra With the global wildland fire management services. Gary many people have been devastated and just stem seeing. Thank you know the animals the wildlife there anything you want to report About that or you know. Further on when we do prescribed burns in in the concerns over the wildlife there anything gary certainly tire If I could just add to what bill just mentioned about climate change. I think that doing to the burning of the traditional line is in the past Given the in Australia Australia. If we didn't have humans he we would still have five because his lightning however the traditional iron is helped by adding cooler pause the right time of the year and vegetation strike has grown with far in the environment and from a forest perspective. We say it's critical to be continuing to put far into the environment from a climate change perspective because what we'll do is enable the species to actually move across the landscape and potentially on better habitat says climate China's and provide them with the opportunities to regenerate and use more tolerant parts of their Jiang pill. So we see that during the prescribed burning we will enable the vegetation to continue to move as it did in the past so going to picking up once again the the principles that were traditional line as head for many many years ago to the loss now of animals Let's bring catastrophic in Ustralia in recent months Pop from we had. I've a two thousand times of being burned but had many cattle sheep alpacas goats horses the likes but see a native animals. Birds Fish insects vertebrates frogs. Bats read Paul's The colleges coffin stop us doing Prescribe Burnsville hazard reduction. And under the the guys I assume is Trenton. Spacey's say it's continual battle for foresters to be apt to do that burn Because of these colleges college who do not appreciate the bigger picture with which has just been demonstrated in the last couple of months of head. This huge swathe of Hind tainted not falls and some of the colleges put the figure loss of well. I have a one billion terrestial animals align. That's a huge amount and it could be that some species being wiped brought up DRYWALL lock. It's going to deal with the draft in the high temperatures which could before the flaws. Aw but then the fall is kind they do with that. And we've seen and you might have been America's Sane Koalas and Kangaroos being looked after but there's selective habitat and food after the forest. And then I I get hammered off. Let by the invasion of foxes and cats into the burnt areas for the ninety animals world. It really raising concerns in anything just opening up just how all of these systems are woven together. Is something to you. Think about as we have to wrap up and You all have opened my eyes to things I haven't seen in the media and I appreciate that Thanks again we got a wrap it up. Thank boaty Shaw Gary Morgan build trip. We'll be back tomorrow. I'm Tara gatewood support by vision. Maker media whose mission for over forty years has been to empower and engage native people to share their stories vision maker media invites proposals for for fiction and nonfiction shorts by and about American Indians and Alaskan natives through March. First you can find out more about film project. Submissions submissions free streaming films receiving their newsletter. 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