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Happy Halloween, everyone and welcome diverse things. I I'm Jenna wall. That is the hall of fame of Chris Carter that is Nick, right. All spooky voice. This morning's bookie voice that was my regular voice. It was spooky music. That was my regular start the show voice. So we're going big day of NFL trades yesterday to marry his Thomas joining Shawn Watson the Packer shipped off star defender. But why don't we start with the Philadelphia Eagles who made Carson Wentz a very happy quarterback yesterday? Philly traded a third round pick to the lions for wide receiver. Golden Tate asked why he traded for a guy on the last year of his deal. Eagles GM Howie Roseman said he's one of the most productive receivers in the league. And that his run after catch numbers are phenomenal Tate now joins the receiving core of Nelson Aguilar, and Al Sean Jeffrey artsy. What impact you think? Golden teak can have on this ego. Offense. Unlike the fact that how we Roseman the general manager he focused on the skill set as far as what it will provide not only to Carson Wentz to this offense. And in this new NFL people think that maybe Philadelphia might go for running back. There's a couple of running backs potentially could be available. Why don't they trade for them? If you can't get eight running back or you're happy with your running backs. You have to get a guy light golden Tate a guy who can play in space a guy can play in the slot. He's also played outside. He is not a just a short area quickness guy. He's not only limited to the slot. He has deep speed. So he's not a possession receiver to meet. He's one. He's one of the guys I like watching play because he's developed he left Seattle after being the third receiver there to increase role in the money in Detroit and the last four years he's been phenomenal Utah. He's the most dangerous guy after the catch. We have in. Well. What about Odal Beckham Odell doesn't get the ball as much as he does. And didn't do as much as him because the game plan what they've done in Detroit. He's been to highlight his kill set. I believe he's a tremendous addition to Philadelphia Eagles and Carson wins because he will say, well, they gave up a third round pick. That's a lot of compensation. He's in the last year of his contract if he decided to leave Philadelphia they're going to get a compensatory pick. That's probably going to be a third or four founder anyway. So I like the move to Philadelphia. It doesn't cost them that much. And if they lose him after this year, they'll build a move on getting another pick and the future those compensatory picks work like what you lose in free agency versus what you bring in free agency. So if the eagles decide to stand Pat mostly in free agency, and they let golden Tate leave. They get something back Detroit instead of getting a pick in two thousand and twenty after him leaving after this off season they're going to get the pick right now from philadel- and Detroit. I don't think would have ended up even getting a compensatory. Because I think they're going to be buyers this off season. So even if they were gonna let him go they were going to bring it enough this off season to where it would probably minimize what their compensation would be. But for the eagles, see touched on it. He is since he came into the league one of the five most productive yards after catch guys in all of football. And the most productive yard after catch high-volume guy. Meaning the other guys who have similar yard after catch numbers to him are not guys that are getting targeted one hundred plus times per season. What of the eagles struggled within the passing game this year their bottom six in the league yard after catch. So that is a puzzle piece that fits perfectly where we are missing. You are adding and that fix fits. Well, the eagles this year have one game where they've scored three. Plus where they've scored more than three touchdowns. That was the giants game one game where they've scored more than twenty four points. The giants game like Philadelphia. Yes, they had a path to victory last year. That was great defense and ground you down, but they all sort of path of we're just going to crush. You we're gonna put up thirty five points. They've only done anything close to that once all year, and it was against a terrible giant scene. But what I liked the most about this move for Philly is it's how he Roseman saying. I know the first half of the season didn't go, right? You know, what we're still going for it? We still think we can defend our crown. We still think we can win this division. Make noise in the playoffs. We're willing to give up but the eighty fifth pick of the draft for maybe only eight games in a playoff run of golden Tate. It's worth it to us because it's a shot in the arm and maybe for the guys in the locker room. It reminds them man last year. We did the change. I and helped us win a Super Bowl this year. Maybe we do with golden Tate and helps us get closer get back to it. All right before we get to how far the eagles can go with golden. You talk so much about this about offense looking very much like the starting five hundred basketball team. So tell me what golden Tate does what position he would basically play, but tween guar N, alshon, Jeffery. Okay. Let's see. Sean Jeffrey right now is their best receiver in Zach ertz tied in is very very good. So if we're going to start in five I would say Alcyone Jeffrey is going to be my center Zach ertz is going to be my power forward. I believe my scorn forwards going to golden Tate. He's a better run. After the catch Nelson. Aguilar trying to use the backs out of backfield. That's how you're able to supplement the passing attack. That's how you're able to put when I won a wide receiver unit. I wanna point guard. I want a guy can score. I want a big guy. But golden Tate is the best wide receiver on Philadelphia's roster now has the most skill with Sean Jefferies. They should look good together. Because outshone is that possession receiver Seaver red zone. Target golden Tate. He's everywhere. He's all over the field. And he's very very friendly to the quarterback. Well, what do you mean by that? He runs his routes, and he gives indicators we saw last week where two interceptions in the Minnesota game. We're called to turnover caused by the wide receivers stealing fumbling and Stefan bids give. Putting around indicator for Kirk cousins interception return for touchdown. He doesn't do that. He's a veteran wide receiver. He's played with veteran quarterbacks. And he's the kind of guy that I believe can bring a spark to Philadelphia's locker room right now. Give them the type of energy and bounce to give them a lift. So they can go on this playoff run. I wasn't sure you were going to agree with me. What you just said. I do believe he's the best wide receiver on Philly now. And that's nothing. It's out after you agree with me. Okay. We'll just say point is when I when I heard today I heard. Down I thought. Wow. I mean, he's going to come in and be their best wide or means Adler moves to third what you'll really if we're ranking them. Sure. But we're playing will in the slot. That's why there is a need for someone might gold and take Adler. We thought had a breakout season last year this year, he's kind of gone back to year number two. And he's not as important as third wide receiver isn't a lot of teams because of arts because one of your best receiving options is your tight in view of earth's Jeffrey, and golden Tate that's going to take care of the vast majority of your passing attack and no receiver in the league is broken more tackles than Tate. I am curious your opinion on what the timeframe of picking up the offenses golden has been went to Seattle then Detroit. Now, he's in Philly. How long until he can really make a true impact is still going to take time. I wouldn't see him as a full-time player for a month. I still see them plan initially twenty plays to start with also I wouldn't be surprised Patel. They moved him back to return punts. He can return some punts the Bill to try to make plays. I know the Peterson they know the urgency to so when you have a player that has come from two good situations. I looked at him to be a smart football player. He's got a high football IQ. So they'll try and the next two weeks. How can we get him to plan twenty thirty plays and also some of those bubble screens and things like that? They not real real sophisticated. I think those things can be implemented in week number and Philly by the way on a buy this week coming off the London game. So you won't have to worry about anything for at least another twelve days second year in a row. Howie Roseman went out and got aggressive and picked up someone Jj I last year and golden Tate this year. Can you see this often starting to put it together? Can you see them getting back to where they were last year with what the team looks like right now maybe back to helps. But he he's not gonna help Jason Peterson left tackle he's not going to help lane. The right tackle because they have not played good football. So yes, they have more weapons. They have more things to get the ball. I like the fact that even though golden can be a deep threat. He's so good run after catch. You can throw him the ball right now. So that will help offense of line. It's almost like an extended running game, but they gotta get their offensive line ago. And personally Jason Peters after coming back taken reduction in salary. This is the worst football. I've seen him play in at least ten years. So that's what I'm going to be watching that offense align in Philadelphia. Even though they have one more weapon to build throw to enlist and Philly understand the situation there up against Washington's five into with as I've said before the softest remaining strength of schedule and football. The eagles are foreign four and they five divisional games left. Here's their non divisional games at the Rams at the saints and home for the Texans. Those are three divisional leaders right now. In addition to having to play Washington twice having to play Dallas twice so eighties. Philly knows they've got find a way to Adam minimum go six into so. So this was the best available player they could acquire. They did it. Now, if they end up going four and four in the second half, and they lose golden Tate. They're going to say, maybe this was a shot they want back. But he also one of the golden Tate is he is a fiery personality. He's a guy that is no he had the skirmishes with Percy Harbin back in the day with Seattle. Like he's going to bring an edge to that locker room that could be useful for a team that right now almost like in a post Super Bowl Malays. So I I like this move Philadelphia Eagles pick up golden Tate. Not by the way, from California from Tennessee. We'll talk about that in the break coming up should Aaron Rodgers be periods that the Packers were sellers at the deadline. That's next first thing. For things. Spot sports is teamed up with four the win for the college football fan index. So each week you that fan will be ranking college football experiences and this week. We're ranking Bess on the uniforms a Michigan coming in the top spot followed by Notre Dame, air force and Florida state. What do you think? Nick, Michigan Notre Dame do have conic uniforms. I like the USC uniforms at the top of my head as uniforms that I think like in that late afternoon. West coast, sun, great, see, what's Ohio State, now aside, do you have a particular college football uniform? No, I don't think even those traditional uniforms and everything I don't think they're the best Notre Dame in Michigan have the best helmets shore. Okay. And I know that's a huge part of the uniform their helmets are conic. And I just remember watching them on Saturdays is a kid that those school older Notre Dame helmets. More than the newer shinier. They seem to have. Added almost like a Nike Oregon flair to the helmets lately. That's not quite like what it's a little off color to write the helmets. Are I kind of got love golden dome. Irs getting done Oregon. They change in uniform. Oregon's got thirty five. I'll get to the Packers fire sound second. But I agree cleanly shaven dazzles us with the behind the back move floated over Blake Griffin. Imagine that the kyri Irving starts looking guy rearming, and he starts looking like Irving kyri had a great half. Let us know he wasn't playing really good before. This look very good last night looked far more explosive and keep you haircut. Loman is a better look for the hair the beard all looked like vintage kyri same game. Reggie jackson. Brings the ball up. Gets bumped Dale hits the three. Ooh. Hell we mouth then building out there. He's looking for the foul there. It was right before the half. So he has to throw it up. But that's. Onto heck of a shot man to really was next errands. Ferguson with a perfect alleyoop rest Westbrook against the clippers this game. Put him up twenty with a few minutes left the little exclamation point Ruslana into this game last night. Now, he don't like Patrick. Beverley? No, no, no. He was into this one rock in the baby all night doing that little celebration. I love Russell much Terrence versions. Nice little emerging player for them moving onto yesterday's tread. Dateline guesses. No longer. Green Bay Packer. All right. So the guessing game doesn't really work on TV time. Montgomery after return to kick off. He wasn't supposed to then. Fumbled. When he definitely wasn't supposed to Green Bay dealt Montgomery to the ravens for a seventh round pick. But wait, there's more. They also sent Pro Bowl safety ha ha Clinton Dix not funny to Washington in exchange for a fourth round pick. So the Packers sit at three three and one chasing the foreign three Chicago Bears nickel start with you. We surprise. The Packers were such big. Sellers at the deadline. The time Gumri thing doesn't matter much to me that one is not I'm not that surprised by the ha ha Clinton Dix. Trade was shocking to me. I understand that. He's appending free agent this coming year. And maybe they thought they weren't going to sign him. But look at the teams that either are the best teams in football or have older quarterbacks that you don't know what the window will be and what they did the saints. They added Eli apple a week ago. The patriots they were in the market, and they added Josh, Gordon. And we thought they might add more the Rams we're the best team in football. They added Dante Fowler. Chiefs were in the market for Thomas before he broke his leg. The Packers have Aaron Rodgers in near fourteen. They're not in first place in their division. They're in a dogfight. So let's get rid of the best defensive player. We've draft in the last six years. Let's get rid of a guy who pro football focus says has been the second best safety in all of this year. Why so we can have the hundred and fifteenth pick of the upcoming draft. This is just another example to me of the Packers not understanding the asset. They have an Rodgers and the Packers adding to the degree of difficulty for the most talented player in the league, this this trade surprised me and as a football fan angered me because I don't understand what really is doing. Actually, he's going to be partnered there with DJ swearing pro football, focus as deejays weren't just second. Earl Thomas, I and ha ha Clinton Dixon third. I left out because he's injured for the year. So these two safety's now not only does he help the Washington Redskins. But he kills one of their best players now DJ swearing. He doesn't have to play in the mill to field because that's how Dixon that's where he plays in the Millfield high Dixon's better in man-to-man coverage if you wanna match him up and put DJ square in coverage somewhere else. So it makes the Washington Redskins. Let you know that they are trying to win. He's. A good football player. I believe underrate when you play with Aaron Rodgers and you play with some of the bad defensive players in bad defensive scheme. Green Bay's had it's hard to give a player like him that type of activates now he has been voted into the Pro Bowl in pro football, focus hasn't ranked as one the top safety. But he's not a player. We talk about the Redskins. I believe like unique. They got a lot better yesterday in picking up ha ha Clinton Dix. I hear this. I don't understand what are the backers. Doing. What are they doing? They play the patriots this week in a couple of weeks there at the Vikings after that they have another tough road game at Seattle. Do they think they're done to the Packers are the Packers? They're not going to say it. But they think they're going to miss the playoffs for the first time with a healthy Aaron Rodgers since he became the full time starter is that what they're telling us are the Packers just saying like we have a new general manager. We wanna let him have as many assets as possible and Brian Guten coons this upcoming year because I look at the ice. I thought the backers should be encouraged by what happened last week. You went to the Rams the only undefeated team in football and not for bonehead play time. Montgomery. I believe you win that game. You dominate the first half. It takes three spectacular special teams plays by the Rams for them to beat you by two points, and your reaction to that is to get rid of one of your best defenders certainly your best player in the secondary. I know gyro exam to the rookie is playing very well. But hoc Clinton Dix is the most established guy. The Packers over last seven years every year spent the first round pick on a defensive player. He's the best one they've drafted. And now you move on from him. I don't this is perplexing to me. I like all the moves over the course of the last couple of years at the Green Bay Packers have made with Aaron Rodgers have seemingly been perplexing. It's one of these. We have Aaron Rodgers everything else will figure out a way to work itself out. Are you a surprise with what the Packers data's nNcholas? I'm not surprised, and you know, Nichols, a lot more emotion attached to it like, I could care less. What the pack like they've been they've been doing things their own way. So why would I mostly get attached to they changed organisation? They changed the structure they have a new general manager there. He's starting to make changes to Bill things his way. I don't know where he's heading. So I'm just going to give him time. He just took over he made a couple coaching changes. He made a couple of personnel changes that I believe are far more than exit. Does I think it's about fitting in long-term to his plans? I believe that's why he moved off of these two players. I'm just. Going to be patient because he just took over. I'm not going to put him under a sense of urgency because of Aaron Rodgers body clock. That's not his fault. He just took over the team. He should have the same amount of time that we get other teams to build tried to put his type of fingerprint on the organization, what type of players he wants to have moving forward. I don't know what he's going to do. But there will be a lot of is own Green Bay to watch. And see what's his next move. And what's to meaning behind him? No matter who their quarterback was I would think a guy you drafted one of the best players drafted. Your organization is drafted who is coming up on free agency playing some of the best football his career. That's the type of player. Do you want to extend? That's the type of player that after this year you hoping to bring back, but I just I want to remind the Green Bay Packers something because we have gotten a little skewed by the last twenty five years of far to Rogers. There was listen you had Lombardi and star you want all those championships. You. You've been in. You've been playing pro football a year longer than the NFL is existed. There was a twenty five year stretch between star before farve where you one one playoff game. And it was an a strike year a twenty five year stretch where you had two seasons in totality where you one double digit games. Like when Aaron Rodgers is done. There is nothing to say you won't go back to that. This isn't the Steelers that had been relevant in every decade, the NFL has ever existed. This team went through a long drought. We know they're not going to be a viable superstar free agent destination. At least they haven't been in the past the way, you're going to get great players drafting them and keeping them not drafting them and trading them. While you're making a play all Packers go with what they have now. Sure. Because of because of twelve but it just got harder. They were marginal playoff team before they made the trait. Right. So it's up that they won't make the playoffs. All right. Let's take a break. We'll talk more about this over the course of the show coming up, though pan. Climb for the Huston rocket one in five that's next. In the best players play in the biggest game. Time star Blake Griffin joins the show he super tall. We're gonna have to adjust the lighting that is tomorrow right here. See I wonder how feel about your open dunk contest idea. Now got someone we can ask or you gotta fix it up. He's a little big. I gotta fix it up. When the studio I get really aggressive. They not in studio studio. We've been Blake's played while this year old area Blake this season. He's got one of those system coaches. I grew up with who designs often, Mike Nora. He runs often with him. Yes. You want same high school? I didn't know that excited for Blake tomorrow time for us to go viral. Russell Westbrook's been doing a rock the baby celebration after some of his baskets this season. He was asked about it after last night's win against the clippers. And here's what he had to say. No kids. Sleep located. Guards. And literally need a second explanation for the first explanation. It was saying that's what you do with your little babies, right? And he's saying that offenders are like his base, and he's rocking. Yeah. He's saying. It's like I throw you the ball on the low post team your own some you have the ball. Okay. Right. Knicks gardening. Right. You just take your time with them because you're going to take them the school. So you just rock him to sleep. Do you take them to the whole? That's what he's talking about is the explanation. Really? That's that was wonderful Senator into the whole, I usually have to work as translator for you. And you the right there worked as translator for Jenna. That was one. That was great teamwork. Just always on the bad end of no. Yeah. So I'm Rockin bad thing today, so far and that was that ridiculous. Golden Tate stales best things I've said, but I did for something to happen stories to start your morning brought to you by unexpected energy Exxon Mobil. All right. So the first edition of the college football playoff rankings came out yesterday. No surprise guys, Alabama at number one followed by Clemson LSU when Notre Dame Durand out the top four C C. You're shaking your head. Did the committee get this, right? Yeah. It's pretty easy to start off with Alabama. Clemson LSU Notre Dame. They had the great win over Michigan. Start to season followed that up the Bill to stay unblemished. Yeah. It's going to be an exciting race. It of white world's going to be exciting for the mother three van was going to be. There is going to be there. And with the way this sets up bama's toughest game remaining this season until the playoff is this weekend at LSU, and they the way the sets up they could lose it LSU and still end up in the playoff assuming they beat off. Iron and the iron bowl like Bama has almost locked up their playoff spot already with how the rankings are and how they've played. But I think the committee got it right early on moving on to a showdown of two great quarterbacks. Tom Brady taken on Aaron Rodgers in Foxborough Sunday night. How about this? They're facing off for only the second time in their careers Brady said Aaron Rodgers is inspiring even for me, see what he make a brief comments. Aaron Rodgers even inspiring even even one more Super Bowls than anyone. Someone. They're nice little I get I get it, Tom. I understand. That's my take. Must be must be held to Tom. You ever see the click of Viansa was being interviewed. And someone said just introduce or said, you're beyond say and her response was thank you. It was just like that word Tom Brady is it's like even by my it was like when you ask Dion Sanders. Dionne he said your greatest he didn't lie. Sean, I can't believe these guys have only played once against each other. I get it because you're in different conferences during play once every four years, but that's crazy now curry Irving had his best performance of the young season. Thirty one points on sixteen shots along with five boards and five assists. Boston beats the pistons won await one of five which you make a chi- Reese, performance, Nick, the only disappointing thing is that we were surprised by that it took a couple of weeks of the season for Cairo to have by his standards. A really good Pat a few awful games. But he got a shave a haircut and started looking like himself again. And this was a game. The Celtics were in firm control of until about four minutes left. The pistons hit a bunch of threes to make it close at the end. But I mean, this is what the Celtics need from Kyrie what they expect from. This is the first game in seven games genita-. I thought he was the best Celtics other games. I thought he was either second third some games fourth best. Celtic so nice to see. Him come back from the two point performance nights to see him seems like he went to a spa gotta steam shower shave little. Yeah. He definitely he looked like you need to clint's. I finally Lonzo ball took some of the blame for the Lakers recent struggles at a rough Monday night, which is four points, one assists. Lonzo says he's not doing his job and needs to be more engaged. All right, Nick. What did you make of lonzo's comments? I respect that the young players taking some of this on himself. I don't think engagement has been his issue. I think Lonzo very rarely do I watch him. And it looks like he's just going through the motions when he saying engage. I think that in his second year in the league, he's starting to realize that there's a certain level of intensity that he hasn't been engaged to is not as if he's engaged not engaged, but he's not engaged at the level that he needs to be engaged in some time through competence to competition. You see that these guys are? Operating at a higher level of intensity than I am now from his his body language in his normal like that's his normal MO, but it's not going to work for him in the NBA. Like we were worried about him last year. Like how intense will he be game in and game out? And I think that's what he's talking about. When he says engaged he's talking about the overall intensity for which he's going about doing his work. But you don't want him to change his approach. Like, there are guys who are very successful. Who aren't nearly like Steph? Curry is not an intense guy. He seems to have a laid back approach. You just wanting do want him to change his approach. I mean, go ahead. See Steph is intense you and I sat behind Steph curry, and we were there thirty minutes before the game. Now, I typically do a good job of getting the icon tech guys dream onset. What's DeMarcus cousins, what's up to me K D because he was like he mean, but me but staff did not into the crowd. He has an intense pre. Game routine. He's working on his muscles. He's working on his shooting motion. He's got these things he does and Steph has a fun personality. But inside the game. He's intense that what he wants to do. I would compare Steffes during the game demeanor almost to a long striding football player that looks like they're not running hard when they actually are like some things come. So we bring people would say, oh, he's loafing. But if you weren't a time he's running out of four four like where Steph it comes. He's so fluid and it comes so naturally to him. It might maybe looks like he's not trying hard as he is for Lonzo. Either. Lonzo's biggest issue is right now, he doesn't know what exactly his role is. I think his issue was aren't injured. I'm off the bench. I'm now in the starting lineup like, but we'll LeBron's going to dominate the ball. I think he hasn't found his footing this year with the team, but the other much more tangible issue is this if you scared to go to the foul line, and you don't have an intermediate. That game. Then how often to player he's only jump shooter? And that's a problem. Right. Because he's a good athlete. He can get to the rim. But guys they can get to the rim have to be okay with getting fouled. This has been the Lakers. Now, they're two point guards or two guys. That would rather pass the bold and go to the free throw line. And that's a pro like you can take that at times from big from a center, especially because they're going to get so many touches down in the post. But if you beat your man, and you you got a clear path the basket, and then you see a big coming over is going to have to value to stop you. You gotta be okay with that. And Lonzo on the year. What shot ten free throws? No, I'm sorry. Seven free throws on the season like that. And we talked about this last year about his his lack of wanting to get to the line. And that one is I understand is not good free. Throw shooter got to work through that. Because a getting the other team in the bonus getting yourself in the bones getting team foul. Trouble scoring with all those things are valuable to them. But I also think. He's finding with some stops and starts as far as the line of goes finding his way with this Lakers team. I guess he thinks a little added intensity will help that. All right. Let's stick with basketball tough game for the Houston Rockets last night, which comes after a tough start to the season for the Houston. Rockets James harden continues to miss time with a hamstring injury. And Houston loss to Portland one of four eighty five and Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony combined to shoot eight of thirty one from the floor. And so the rockets now sit at one and five on the season tied for the worst record in the west. Here's head coach Mike dantonio what has changed since last year? Replayed. Well, right now, we play crap the difference does not plan. Well, it's hard to explain sometimes we've lost swagger and more on her heels. And when you're when you're desperate is good on defense because you hair should be on fire but his bad on offense. You're in you're struggling we gotta get out of it. And we gotta keep fighting. We'll keep the spirit and these guys are good guys. And like I said, we'll find we'll find something. And you know, hopefully, it's not too late. But we gotta get back on a horse. We got James back office. That's a big part of our offense. No excuses injuries part of the game too. Keep trying to get guys back. Right now. Spirit, right? There's only so many days we can keep saying, well, it's early give them. Thank you hardened chance to get back. We'll give this team a chance to get back into it. Are you concerned at all Nick about one in five star for the rockets? This is to me of far greater concern at one in five than for example, even talked about yesterday the Lakers two and five and not because of the one more win. But because of how the the teams have lost those games. The rockets are getting blown out like the rockets they have four home losses already this year, by the way, they only lost seven times at home all of last season. And those losses are all my more than ten points. They only had one such loss all of last season by nineteen to the pelicans eleven to Utah twenty the clippers nineteen to Portland yesterday. They never lead and they were down by twenty eight at one point like last season. They started twenty five and four this year. They're one in five I understand Chris Paul suspended now hardens injured, but this team is not being competitive in these game. Thus far. That's why the one in five is so concerning. It's not the easily could be three and three. No, they couldn't. They couldn't easily be three and three. It's hard to imagine them. Getting blown out is many times as they have without having Hartnett lineup. You still think that they are the big three that being mellow that being Chris, Paul hard? Now the line of Chris Paul looks nothing like a superstar mellow. I take exception with mellow like he's nowhere near any type of star player. You know, he's not going to be good on the defensive end. They're just not as talented thinking about not playing good basketball their rosters, not as good. So now this season. They can't sustain an injury. Like they could last year last year they had injuries, but they were able to overcome all except the last one that Chris Paul in the Western Conference final. They're not as good, and there's a certain amount of reality to this. And they're going to be struggling for seeding. Even when hardened comes back because they got a very weak bench. But this is the team that many people thought was the only team in the league that could really. Compete with Golden State. This is the one team that we're going to win. Now, we're gonna go after Jimmy Butler. We're going to do everything we can because we have a shot this year to compete with Golden State. What happened they this for Daryl Morey? And for James harden. There has to be a bit of deja vu four years ago. The rockets were coming off a Western Conference finals loss to the Golden State Warriors. They won fifty six games that year people thought they were gonna be right back in it the next year, and they went forty one and forty one and crept to the eight seat that then the following year. They got better than they add Chris Paul and you saw the ad, but there's does seem to be a bit of an inability for this team after a great season where you come close to ratchet up the intensity game on the following season to get it feels like it's such a long trek to where you end up wanting to get to that. They're not starting the season off with the requisite level of intensity attention to detail last year. Hard miss ten games. They were six and four like they managed in. Those ten games. James harden missed a we can't say, oh, you don't have hardened. So that's going to happen. Like this team. You were seeing the warning signs before hard left the fourth game of the year with his hamstring. And also, we sit there and watch the warriors play the Knicks this besides them being an MBA this done similarly there in western there's nothing similar about where Golden State is. You talked about how much fun they seem to be having their little routines. They enjoy seeing and they don't even have cousins back with them. Another all-star Houston's going the other way. So no, this isn't the team. There is no team in the NBA. So unless there's some blockbuster trade, it is gone state in the rest of them. And James harden prior to his injury was the only guy on the team playing at the level or close lovely played last year. PJ Tucker's been worse this year Clint Capella who got that big contract extension. This off season has not been the defensive player of the year candidate that the rockets thought he was going to be you're right. That Chris Paul has not looked like Chris. Paul yet this season how much that was the suspension and how much of that is getting himself into full regular season shape. I don't know and mellows been awful like that is undeniable mellows not in the top hundred and thirty. I did my best. I said I was doing try with mellow. So so when harden comes back if it got someone like Jimmy Butler could he make the Jimmy Butler thing we would have to redo all the mad at one player one Jimmy Butler player away from all back together from if they add Jimmy Butler, they reassert themselves as one of the very very best teams in the league. But you guys know where I stand on Golden State. I think Golden State right now as presently constituted is far and away the best team. And that's before they add DeMarcus cousins, that's where I think they are. But it also looks like Minnesota is just flatly not going to trade Jimmy Butler. Like, Tom typical I think's going to make the owner fire him to trae Jimmy Butler because they're not going to get a better offer than four unprotected first round picks. That's literally the most picks hanger allowed to offer. Houston offered it. So I don't think Jimmy Butler is coming. What's the biggest issue that this rockets team has if you could fix one thing? What's what's their biggest issue? I knew they would struggle losing. Trevor reason you just can't just say, oh, you know, all he was. Isn't that good? But the intangible things that he provide the limp the defense to constant knockdown shooting that they could rotate they had another two or three guys who could knock down three pointers. That's they don't have enough shotmakers if you're gonna play that style, and you're going to have the analytics and everything they don't have enough shot makers on we knew that with the loss of a reason tape particularly early in the year defensively, they probably weren't going to be the same team. No one could have been -ticipant. It'd be about and five offense right now. They're a bottom five often. What was the thing last year? See with twenty games left. They had the best offense in the history of professional basketball on a per possession basis. Right now, they have a worse offense in the Phoenix Suns like come on. And so that can't just be you've missed some of your best players for a couple of games. It's systemic right now in Houston. And if I were my pal Maury. I'd be concerned can't be getting blown out for home games already this year. All right. Let's take a break coming back being smart. Grated. Making the Jackson. I'm just saying things while they're their conversation. We're back after this. Back to the show mentioning joins us. Happy Halloween coach just up for the festivities. Thank you so much it did. Yep. Former Browns coach that's what I'm going to this year. In cleveland. Get together. Great. That is funny. Bumping each other. Club. Ever third Friday of the month for together. Need more space coach visiting the NFL yesterday that will happen when you put a deadline on trades. We call it a trade deadline a lot of talk about where Broncos water Seaver to marry Thomas would be traded turns out. It was the Texans after losing will fuller for the year the Texans acquired Thomas from Denver for a fourth round pick and swap seventh rounders so Thomas will pair up with the undre Hopkins. Texans continue their playoff push. I'll start with you coach. What impact Thomas have on this Texans offense? I really liked this right now, I was a president Houston would do anything with the former Denver player faced off the Brock Tober. But they went back to it losing will fuller and to be able to get a player about quality player. This point in the season is really hard. You look at the waiver wire at the beginning season. There's not much there when you get to midseason to try to get a guy that can actually have an impact on what you're doing. It's almost impossible to do. So to losing will fuller and being able to replace them with Damaris Thomas. I think is a great situation for that man and Tennessee is trending the right direction. Texans. I mean, Texas the Texans Tennessee's trending direction turning the right direction. And I think this is going to open up things offense. It's a big physical guy who maybe hasn't produced as well as he has in the past. But if you get them reinvigorated, you get them into a team that has a real chance, and you send a strong message the rest of the team that we're going to do whatever we need to do to to move forward. So we know that Thomas Thomas's production has dropped off significantly since Peyton Manning. Stop being the quarterback there. Now part of that might be deteriorating skills part of that might be the tactic or masquerading quarterback play. This will be the best quarterback. He's gotten to play with since he was having Pro Bowl caliber seasons in Denver with Peyton Manning. Now, he doesn't have the same skill set. His willfuller like the Texans had a really good wide receiver duo, but not a deep wide receiving corps, which I think they made this move. They deandre Hopkins is one of the best in the league and will fuller who was one of the best deep threats in the league. And they like the kid they drafted KiKi Cutie as a as a rookie slot receiver. They draft in the fourth round this year. I think but after that Sammie Coates and guys that are practice squad type of players. So I understand the morning to plug into Mary's Thomas opposite de'andre Hopkins, but he brings a very different skill set them. We'll fuller did willful or brought straight-line speed. He had an excellent report with with Shawn Watson on the deep ball. I don't know if to marry his brings that, but I do think he's better than Sam. Coats. I do think he makes them better right now with the Texans say is we're five and three in a winnable division. We potentially if the patriots or chiefs backslide, maybe we somehow turn owing three into a by like we could we're going to go for right now and giving up just a fourth round pick. When you're probably gonna win your division. I don't think that's overpaying for Marius. I can say he's a solid receiver. That's about as high as I can take it right now sometime his hands are not dependable sometimes you don't get the type of effort. You think you're going to get out of the body type? I mean, his dimensions are amazing almost six five two hundred twenty five pounds used to be able to run for four every day. Now, you don't necessarily see that. So I worry can they get him in that possession role and Bill to feed him because I disowned Watson will make him a better wide receiver. But our as hands going to be dependable I know in the locker room, he's a hardworking guy he will fit into the locker room. He's not a high maintenance guy, you have not seen him through all the critic. In the last several years in Denver do a bunch of complaining. So he will fit in to Bill O'Brien is doing and the Texans. They are trying at five and three the roster. Get better when you had to marry his Thomas to it. This is this is an interesting Texans team to figure out they're five and three. But Nick points out. These are close wins. They two weeks they pretty close. Does this actually make them legit contenders? AFC losing will fuller. I think would would have hurt their chances dramatically, and that's why this trade was very important because of your pushing all the coverage to Hopkins which most teams do that second guy has to have the ability to make you pay. And if you don't have that second threat that can make you pay when when you take away the first guy, then then you become less than one dimensional. So that's why I think this is really important that does this put them over the edge. I think this keeps them where they were keeps them pretty close to where they were with losing will fuller to your point. China because of the way they had one prior to these two weeks. They didn't have a big margin of error. They don't have a good offense blind back. They one of the worst in football. They are not an effective running team. We know that they have a lot of talent defensively, and for some reason up until last week's it'd been kind of playing hot and cold through your hadn't been the consistency. You would have hoped once you lose will fuller to coach his point in these. The defense was going to have won one game playing one game plan only stop the Andre Hopkins now that they have to marry Thomas they at least have to be cognizant of the threat opposite deandre Hopkins. Which I don't think they would have had to be Sammie Coates out there. One thing if I'm the wide receiver coach for Houston. I'm little more concerned high get him involved in offense because he's limited for what he can do. He's typically the X the boundary receiver typically he has not gone in motion. So Nick point out. He's been he's gonna get a lot of single coverage. Coach point is you're gonna be a lot of single covers. He's been getting that opposite manual Sanders. So that's not going to change. He's not like golden Tate. Golden Tate, and you can do more things to him golden Tate. You can move him around and go and take a so good after the catch. So I look for golden Tate to have a bigger impact in Philadelphia compared to Damaris what he's going to do the Texans. And when I'm curious Chris with Shawn Watson and all the plays that he makes off script. How is that gonna play into his skill set? How what kind of an impact can you make when the plays breakdown to Sean moving around and see how he fits in that part of the equation, which I'm not I don't really know at this point how that's gonna look this year to that point the few big plays down the field. He has made has been when Jin guy case is running around off schedule cases been actually quite good this year on those the one thing he's been quite good. At this year is those deep passes rolling out or win. The protection breaks down. I wanna ask you one question. See why does a player aside from quarterback change? Why would a player who was seemingly on this trajectory go maybe this? One or even down the way Demaria's has during what is age wise. What you say should probably have been the prime of great player. You think at thirty everyone thinks everyone's gonna play till the thirty two thirty three. We don't know where the ceiling is. We don't know if Peyton Manning brought the ceiling was that the sill inform was that is good is he's going to get. And that's what I thought. That's as good as he's going to get. He was a good player. Never a great player. Great attitude. He's got a good story personally off the field. But we don't know how build how how high the buildings supposed to be is it feels to be eight stories. It's supposed to be eighty. Now. A lot of times we think because the guys trend, and we think we know we don't know most of the time is this guy Costa tapped out and Peyton Manning, and that system Adam gays what they had there in Denver was really really special and that brought the best football with him that football. We'll never see again. And it's gonna be interesting to this is the first time he's played for anybody else. Thank this his whole world has changed dramatically. How that can. Pack them is it gonna add some energy some fuel some motivation for him to try to get to that eighty floor that that to me is another exciting part of this great night about case keenum, gotta take a break. Coach stick around coming up. Aaron Rodgers furious that the Packers were sellers at the deadline next person. Particularly given what you've got back for him. I thought it was a good move and people outside the building's perception was that that signalling you packing it in and we're in full rebuild vote. I pack it nothing. You know, we pack in anything in. We're working as hard as we have ever worked. Someone makes a phone call to you in the middle of the night. And makes you an offer that you think helps this franchise the raiders you make that move. That was a sneak peek of how long's interview with Jon Gruden. You can catch the rest of it tomorrow on Thursday night football in the raiders take on the forty Niners. It all starts at seven thirty eastern on FOX Senate Dell in streaming on prime video joke. How we should be very interesting that back here. Coachman genie. Coach guesses got a nice haircut. Oh, yeah. And that waiver while there's some bad ones. Guess is no longer Green Bay Packer. I'll just I'm going to tell you. It's time on Gumri after he returned a kickoff. He wasn't supposed to after he fumbled. When he definitely wasn't supposed to Green Bay dealt Montgomery to the ravens for a seventh round pick. But wait, there's more. They also sent Pro Bowl safety hawk Clinton Dix to Washington in exchange for a fourth round pick. So Packers currently sitting at three three and one being big aggressive at the trade deadline coach we use the Green Bay were big sellers at the deadline. No, not necessarily when you look at this. Sometimes it's a dishing by subtraction. And. Obviously the they felt differently than Montgomery feld in terms of how clear was whether he should bring it out of the end zone. We talked about that yesterday where he said he wasn't really happen. I told him that he should say in the end zone. He decided to come out, then he came out and said, they never told me that. And now he's in Baltimore for future. Not even this your seventh rounder a twenty twenty seventh round pick. Yes. So it was one of those things where okay, let's it's time. It's time to say goodbye. And then with high Clinton Dix, I know we tag Pro Bowl onto a lot of players, but a lot of players make the Pro Bowl. Now that injury was injuries. The teams in the Super Bowl or. Like, it's different. The proble distinction the old pro distinction. We know that. Yeah. It's a little it can be a little bit deceiving. And we're came out and said, it doesn't look like I'm going to be a Green Bay Packer next year as soon as you start talking about next year and how you're not going to be with that team. Organizationally? You're thinking is this guy really going to push through injuries as he makes the sacrifices that we need to make the season goes on or is he going to start to make businesses. And so if you get an opportunity to secure draft pick, and that's that's a good draft pick for for him. And you feel strongly enough about the players. They have to me, I think that makes sense as well. Listen, I get that some guys make a Pro Bowl because they're an alternate in some guys make a Pro Bowl legitimately. But then don't play at that level anymore. Are pro football focus, se the two best healthy, safeties and football. This year have been DJ swear, injure and haha Clinton Dix Washington now has both of them. That was a really interesting clip. I hadn't seen that word swearing during Clinton Dix end up slap in five after a big play during the Washington Green Bay game earlier this year, very. Odd. Right. Very very odd for you to be making an interception now, I understand that. There's a fraternity in the league fraternity based on your position. But I'm not going to be dappling guy. After he intercepted my quarterback. So these as don't in cat DJ, and ha ha Clinton Dix. I don't know what made them come together. They get right teammates, though, a week after haha picked it off. So it was just an odd exchange. I just picked up there. But here's the thing is this the Packers are not better today than they were yesterday unless there is so much more to the locker room stuff. I forget the time Montgomery thing. I don't care about that. I'm talking about just the safety unless there's so much more to him being upsetting to contract extension, by the way, this is the type of player you should extend. This is the type of player you draft. The only first round pick. You've taken you've take another defensive guys unless six years and first round the only one to make a Pro Bowl through Hooker crook injury. Whatever is this player. He's playing at a high level. And you've decided you don't want him on your. Team next year. And evidently, you don't want on your team the rest of this year, your three three and won the leaders in your division or four and three and have a quarterback. They do not trust you ever Aaron Rodgers. I think you just play your best game of the year. Why are you sellers right now? That's the part. I don't get. Why are you sellers? Pro football, focus, right ranked him. And you know, obviously, they say it must be true. But when you when you look at a guy like this the impact in the locker room that that stuff is real. But we don't hear about it. And who knows what he's saying about the way the scheme is set up. Who knows what he's saying? There's a lot of ways that you can undercut the situation that you're in and the defense is actually playing better than it has in a while. So he might have been a pro bowler on a defense. That was not historically very good. And you have a chance to to push forward and potentially take a situation. That's negative right now and remove yourself from it. Watch for both organizations. I like the player that Washington's going to get like who is been partner there with DJ swinging. They bring a physical presence ha gives them ability to build a cover a little more in-space than than DJ does. But as coach said, we don't know the Intel on the player, the general manager, I'm gonna give him benefit of the doubt. Just like I do every other general manager to build a wait to see what is plan is even if he hadn't told me what his plan is like Gelman did when we discussed the other day. So I'm going to watch this. He obviously was not going to be one of his guys into the future. They obviously made a decision not to extend him. So how it was probably upset about that. And anytime you start communicating to the media something that didn't need to be communicated you're under contract. So I could see I could see also this being one of many moves, even not only personnel wise. But I wouldn't be surprised if Green Bay moved off their coach like I wouldn't be surprised with the opening in Cleveland and with. Dorsey van a system guy and coming from that Andy retrieved typically you like hiring people that you're familiar in your close to. So I think Cleveland we'll be looking at green base coats. So trade for him. I don't know what I don't know what you're gonna call it. But it's just we just look at the season. Green bay. I looked at this season. Could turn the other way and the move on from their coaches that way they moved on from these two players yesterday anything with the coaching though would happen in the off season. And that I understand entirely I don't look at the Packers team right now. Or I look at the Packers. I should say team that is still a contender as a team that is up against the toughest month and their season. I actually think they should feel good about how the first major test went. They hate how it ended. But they've got a feel like we dominated the Rams in the first half until the final three minutes. We were in position to have the ball and Aaron Rodgers hands down less than a field goal with two minutes to go and get let one game affect how you plan on moving into. The future. I just believe the general manager has certain things that he wants to do certain players that are not going to they had to get time. Gummy off that roster anytime the coach gets to the podium in the coach says, I told him the state now, you're either a fool to get up there to to go against what he said because I know the Green Bay Packers told him gave him special specific instruction there. There's no way that they told him exactly the same thing. They told him for any other kickoff. So once you say that, and then you have a player come out and say that he made the raw mistake there. He was being very very selfish. It's time move on because he's not going to be comfortable working anymore. And the reason Nick that I think there's more to the story is all the points that you do make this is a young safety. This is a guy who has had some success and gone to a Pro Bowl. This is a homegrown talent. All those things make you another general manager, though, that's that's a hit point. But all. All those things make you think that's the guy guy he'd want to extend and the fact that they would move on from him. Now, typically there's layers underneath this that we're not seeing because it doesn't add up when you look at it objectively did the Packers get better or worse yesterday with any trade trade draft picks up. We're not gonna know. And until we go down the road and see how these how the secondary works. Now when your move. Worse. But the general manager got done what he wanted to do. He's closer to his goal. He's moving his team in the direction when they take one of their marquee players and move him. They didn't have to he wasn't forced to do that. So in his mind jn, they're better than what they were yesterday. Ed, certainly in his mind, they are positioned better. At least in the long term. It is very hard for me to see a scenario unless the locker room stuff is disastrous where they are better for the last eight games of this year without a starting caliber one of their without question matter, what pro football focus as one of their five best defensive players that minimum this year. They're not going to be better without him the draft picks not coming until next year. We'll know it is clear as law and order. You're you're gonna you're gonna do things the way they want him to do it. Or you're going to be doing it somewhere else. That's a pretty clear message. Cultural see later in the show. Jesus. On or. Ready? Ball coming out. His all star form after last night's when I wait the whole segment, then I say. Eight. This. Coming off their five preparing for Monday night showdown with the Tennessee tines. They'll have their new receiver. Mark Cooper for whom Dallas gave up what some would call a costly. First round pick is the elephant in the room that is Dak Prescott upcoming contract. Jerry Jones says Amari Cooper has nothing to do with the evaluation of Dak Prescott s- future. Cd agree with Jerry. Well. Discussed. I'm curious here. I just. Not unless it's like, it's like doing a show, we get evaluated on a regular basis as a show chemistry in and out of bombs. How we're doing things as far as elements, and but ultimately, it's it's really what they think about me. I mean, I know you guys are here. We're doing a show and everything, but I'm just saying as far as my evaluation. So if they like, I knew the sump, well, it's totally different. But if they like the quarterback, and I believe that Jerry a lot like the people at FOX, they they like they and they like me. So even with my wide receivers are not number one or number two. They decide they're going to go with me anyway, because they like it, and I believe Jerry is in love with that. Now, I do believe this. It's going come at a certain price. I believe Jerry's going to say because my offense of line what I wanna do with Zeke in the future because of my rush would with Lawrence. I gotta pay him. I won't have a deck as my quarterback. But it's going to come at like a hometown. Discount. So he's going to try to do a Tom Brady without the championships. That's what I believe, Jerry. And the reason why collectively it's not about the town around him. Jerry's in love with Dak as quarterback. And that's the way he's going to move forward filter that stands between what you think. And what you say. Now, just learning this, of course. All right. Let me talk to the actual football side of this not Chris's awful analogy from the beginning of it on the football side of it. Unlike the analogy, the beginning, you got that right. Jerry's decided on deck. Like, you're the reason I was leaning forward to hear what you wanted to say about the Amari Cooper thing was the best argument for overpaying for Maury Cooper, which they did by giving a first round pick. So actually when you see what other guys that the deadline went for thirds, and fourths and seven's. The best argument was we gotta find out about the quarterback you're paying premium because you wanna find out if you got the quarterback Jerry's done decided about the quarterback. Jerry has decided Dak Prescott. He said it. He's leaving it to me. I don't need more information about Dak. He's the only person doesn't need more information about Dak. But he's also the only vote that counts. He's the only the there might be a board of directors. But it's fine. People in Jerry's got three the votes. First round pick. Because because e all not only does he think that he's got his quarterback because he thinks he's got his quarterback. He think thing win the division. Let's look at. Let's look at the market though. Right. Golden Tate went for third rounder last year of his contract Amari can get the fifth year option younger player higher ceiling left. So if you look at golden taking win for third Philadelphia, we know offered a second for Amari Cooper. Right. So the real price. Mark Cooper was a second round. But because you want him now, and because someone else wanted them it just inflated the price just a little bit. But it's not like they pay two number ones. Mari Cooper wasn't a drastic overpay. It wasn't not going to give up on this season. So that made the price a little bit higher. Also, exactly, right. Like, jerry. Because again, look at all of this through Jerry's is we now know Jerry thinks he's got his quarterback. He knows he has his running back. Right. They just change the line coats. They think they're Albans winds going get better. We all know they've got a good defense. So okay. So Jerry, saying we're three and four, but what we are in his eyes is not a quarterback away. We're number one wide receiver away. We thought it could be Alan Hearns. He's been a bust. We thought awesome would be different than they tried to a receiver this off season with Sammy Watkins, they weren't able to get them. Now that we're into the first part season. He realized that what we were trying to do this off season. It just got completed right now. So we can't act as if Dallas wasn't looking for number one. They were they couldn't get the one that they wanted we keep saying this, and you kind of gloss it over. Yeah. Jerry Jones thinks he's got his quarterback. But does Jerry Jones have his quarterback? Do we? We know that Prescott is the guy that's going to turn this towels franchise around. No, I do believe in. It's not based on just a quarterback. They have to have some other things to Bill to help them out. But when you don't have a number one receiver it's impossible to be able to evaluate your quarterback, regardless of what he says. Now, I do believe if you wanna play football a certain way. Now, I believe he should be committed to that for at least two more years because it's still hard. I mean, we act like it's easy to find a quarterback. And I do believe that can get better. But right now, I'm not going to commit to him long-term meaning four or five years, you say two more years. You mean the rest of this year next year? That's what we're talking about. Exactly the right. I'm not special rookie year the running back get suspended in the second year. I ain't got no number one receiver about third year. So like would it be fair to that? I'm not I know means of my advocating the Cowboys cut Prescott off anything like that. But if you were to tell me right now, I have to make let's say he were free agent after this season by either have to find a new quarterback or give him a franchise quarterback type contract. Then I would move on. The only reason I am totally comfortable on the Cowboys with Dak being my quarterback for the next twenty four games is because it's going to cost me a million bucks. It's because I am able to surround him theoretically with a lot of talent because he make so little money. And then but what I wouldn't do sign him prematurely, usually quarterback coaches in the NBA. They never go into the final year of their deal. I'd let go into the final year of his deal. I know I'd be able to franchise him if he plays really, well if he's playing really well throughout the year. I'd maybe sign him midway through next season. But. I'm not signing to an extension this off season. I don't think you're signing him to an extension this off season you need to see more from him. At least we do Jerry, maybe doesn't. And if I'm Dax agent, which I'm not he's not one of my clients. But if I'm Dax agent, I am absolutely calling Jerry and say, well, hey, man, you got your guy. Let's get to talking numbers. Let's take a break. They're coming up back to the NBA. Why the best team in the east might actually not be the Boston Celtics next? Back in business against Nebraska at eleven thirty eastern van big twelve contenders. West Virginia, Texas clash at three thirty eastern. It's coming your way Saturday on FOX or watch it at CC's house or anywhere on the FOX. I'm having a party play some football. Let's get running the football Mellon the bracket. Dana Hoeger watch out for the right hook a time. Hearn time for us to go viral last night. Russell Westbrook was dominant dropping thirty two points on the clippers. However, it was a certain picture that had the internet abuzz. Mike, Adele tweeted. Hey, Russ Westbrook. My nephew's your biggest fan with me right behind them. And they're going to be at the game tonight as on and off Corp Brody. That's awesome honor these costumes so twin boys one dressed up as Ross during the game one. Trust is Russ after the game. I love that. That's a good one. All look at that one. I mean, they even got the outfit the glasses the chain. I like that you can do fun costumes if you have twins. I'm so glad they pick that outfit compared to that one where he's like the safety patrol. He's plastic. That when he was a toddler wasn't safety patrol. He's we're on the Tigers last time, I saw someone they was letting people cross the street guard. Yes. Everybody kids Chateau, it's Halloween. Not true time for stories. Brought to you by not supposed to be unexpected energy Exxon Mobil, unexpected Nick, right? But listen, if we're all in that corner wall, not sticking with Russ Westbrook who last night face one of his arch nemesis. Patrick Beverley Beverly dough for a loose ball. Hit Westbrook in the knees. The two. Players those spicy mouse, Bev Bevan. Guy. This little potty mouth spicy mouth to a little fight in Nick start interrupting Jin I do like Beverly Ross being really angry. Russell Westbrook had not missed a game of basketball since seventh grade until Patrick Beverley did something similar to him in the first game of the playoffs. The thunder were the one seed ended up hurting his knee Russ head to have multiple surgeries. Now it happens. Again, I understand why Russ was fired up about that the other one he cut in from him right before he was going to call a time out yesterday. Mary NBA players allow you to move. He made a dirty play into getting end up getting injured. So there's that's the history behind that last night. Hey carrier vein had his best performance of the young season. Thirty one points on sixteen shots along with five rebounds and five assists. Celtics beat the pistons won away when a five would you think of Kyrie's performance? Nick is the first time all your Kyrie's looked like kyri literally and figuratively. Literally looked like shave a haircut, look better and figuratively. Look like him because he was playing really. Good basketball. I the people think I was trying to pick on Kyrie. There was nothing to say. I mean he'd been for fourteen in the game. He was one for five with three points in their most recent game prior yesterday. He was excellent. He's the biggest reason why they want. This is the first game the season kyri was the best player on the Celtic out. No, Nick wasn't picking on him. Look at his numbers. He was averaging a career low average eighteen points. I think is rookie year look at his numbers and see what? So last night, I time he looked explosive. Thank god. He say thank God. He got a haircut took a bath everything. Good stuff. Kyrie moving onto a showdown of two. Great quarterbacks. Tom Brady taken on Aaron Rodgers and Foxborough Sunday night facing off for just the second time in their careers Brady said Aaron Rodgers is inspiring even for me. Say why could understand normal people being inspired what he's even inspiring for me? You know what I'm saying? Jim any misfires me like, I don't need no motivation. I don't need to be inspired. But even watching him play normal people like, you know, you might be inspired. But even me even me got me. It was a nice brag by Tom Brady. But I am excited to see for just the second time ever a match up of these two quarterbacks. The most talented quarterback I've ever seen and the most accomplished quarterback anybody's ever seen playing each other on national television should be all. And now we know because Brady is made comments about Peyton men into these little matchups. They are extra special. Absolutely. I finally the Rams are not resting on their laurels at eight. No. They traded for Dante Fowler from the Jags and exchange for third round pick this here in a fifth round pick next year. I see how much better does Fowler. Make. Rams makes them better right now. And it's not just because of his skill set. I it's not because of what they have inside. It's because of what they have in the locker room, and I believe they really have a special codes in Wade Phillips. He was on the staff the first staff that I've got drafted into Philadelphia. So I spent my first three years in NFL, and there's some great coaches, but man, he is right up there with them. And he never would be great as a head coach. But as a leader for a defense teaching different defenses being very very aggressive Dillon with personalities. I mean, you're talking about millennials. It doesn't matter. Baby boomers, man, he has seen it all and has adapted. And it just seems like we don't we don't understand sometime, the connective tissue between coaches and the players Bella check has it in a special way in man Wade has this in spades. And what he does for players to build resurrect their career and put them in a position to. Winning football. That's what Dante follower is getting ready to experience a guy who was not happy a guy who has not performed up to his level victory. Put him outside. He's getting ready to rush the passer. And this is one thing this team was missing. And they went out and got a very very explosive player. I look forward to watching him play with the Rams and unlike the teams that picked up wide receivers golden tater to marry his Thomas C, we've talked about this. There's no system needs to learn. What are the two things? He knows how to do. Then sit in sickle. Yeah. That's it. I mean parcels pass rusher. Gotta sit and got to go get him. And that listen, Don Fowler. He has had an up and down NFL career. He tore his ACL in his first OT a rookie rookie day ever after a top pick. So he misses his first year. He then has a good second year of play thirty or in the league last year at eight sacks to force fumbles. And then this offseason they had the incident where the traffic used the guy who threw the guys groceries into the lake. That story argument that so he has some off the field stuff for the Rams aren't worried about that. The Rams come on. No way, we want talent we trust. Wade Phillips to be able to get the most out of the talent we trust our leadership from McVeigh and Wade Phillips to make sure these guys stay where they need to be while they're here in the facility that the flame. Eric combustible personalities, actually is an iron sharpens iron type of thing. And this was the one spot the for a week edge rusher and everywhere else they are buttoned up across the board. I think this is a great trae for the Rams to because if you can see in the last three or four games, they start planning Donna consume more outside. He is not a defensive in. Now, he is a dominant force. He is a very very good football player. But he's a defensive tackle. That's where he is going to be better suited. Now, they can keep him inside with. I mean Aaron Donald away Aaron Donald was playing and now you can keep soon next to him. They have not been playing their best lineup because they had to move suit up to the outside. So now, you move him inside. They have sixteen sacks. I mean, I think Aaron. Donald and ensue have thirteen of the sixteen sacks. So you add that speed rush on the outside and Jenna he can play in a game. If we're gonna play tonight because it's a few responsibility to the defensive in one being contained if there's some type of stunt. He's very very good at that. He's going to go inside the tackles gonna come outside on T E stunt. So those the only things he needs to know. So his ability to impact a game right now is so much more significant than offense players Presley a wide receiver. And this is something that's been a theme of this season. But we saw it again at the trade deadline that teams that have that are contenders that have their quarterbacks on a rookie contract have the flexibility to make these moves who traded for significant players at the trade deadline. The Rams the eagles the Texans. What do they all have in common a cheap quarterback? So they can take on the salary of a former top five pick. They can say they can give third and fifth round pick down the road, which they paid a high price third and fifth for Dante Fowler because they think. They can win and they should believe they can win the Super Bowl right now edge rusher was the only position of weakness on this team. Did they do it? Did they just lock it up? You can't lock it up. I mean this team still hasn't wanna playoff game together. Like, we have to see how they perform in January. But they they addressed their biggest position only position of weakness on the team. There were several teams that got better in the best team in football got better. So that only helps though the best team right now in football. All right moving on the Toronto. Raptors who are now an impressive seven and one after beating Sixers last night, quite Leonard continued to impress with a casual thirty one seven and four undefeated when he takes the floor. Nick are the rafters the clear favorites in the east right now. I think it's very important. You note undefeated when he takes the floor just the other night, the raptors played the bucks. But both teams didn't have the back the back and they didn't play Hawaiian the first game. They didn't play in the first game in the bucks didn't play Yanni. So that we didn't really understand the bucks are undefeated. And we're seeing the benefit for them have. Having a real coach. But yes, the raptors are the favorites in these the raptors were might pick the best record in east. But the team they Molly walked last night was my pick to come out of the east and that team doesn't look anywhere near ready. We'll see all there at the end of the year. But right now Phillies not really in the discussion what Toronto is done with their new head coach Nick nurse with the addition of quiet, Leonard who seems to be as good as he's ever been on both sides of the ball, which makes him one of the worst eight best players in the league. Yeah. They're the favorites. We know how good their benches. We know how good Kyle Lowry is a number two options. Yoenis Valance is playing the best basketball of his career up to this point and qui- has been dominant. So for all those reasons, and they have the history of last year almost winning sixty games. Yes. They should right now. Be the favorites out of these conference absent LeBron going west. I mean, if you trade. Kawai foot. Derozen? I mean, and that's basically the only change they mate Toronto was going to be the best team in the east like men Kawais a tremendous player. What happened to him in San Antonio was he got injured. Right. Went to the doctor. The doctor told him he had a different injury went back onto the court reinjured himself. So he felt as if the doctor and the team mishandle misdiagnosed him. So even when he tried to make his recovery. He could never get back. He kept saying I'm not one hundred percent. I can't play. So besides that nothing happened to co is far as the skill level. So now co is healthy. We're seeing the same exact thing that we have seen for the last three or four years. He's one of the best players in the NBA. You could see pensively last night. Ben Simmons tried to break them down. And he just took the ball from them. Just head up one on one. As one of the best premier defenders that we're going to have in the NBA. So this is why was nothing changed. The only thing is reputation took a hit because he wanted after the injury. He wanted out of San Antonio. But the basketball player he brought that same thing to Canada that we were saying in San Antonio. I think what was the issue for the raptors with two Rosen. Forget. Lebron take the fact they couldn't get past the Brown to Rosen wooden shoot three's couldn't shoot three's. People have forgotten that quite Leonard after the one and he's never been in the league defendant. Sure. Absolutely. But the real knock on him. The biggest perpetual knock was that. He wasn't an abysmal defender. He was an abysmal three point shooter. Hey, it was not a part of his game. He refused to take them people forgotten the qui- prior to the injury had turned himself into one of the most reliable three point shooters in the league. What's he doing this year? Oh, he's shooting forty four percent from three. So you have lower who leads the NBA insist volun- who's a good offense of big that great bench and quite Leonard. Who is certainly in the argument if not at the top of the argument for the best two way player in the NBA like this team should be particularly with Boston finding itself. Having guys come off injuries. Philly not having a bench right now until they get Wilson Chandler back. And Ben Simmons not having seen to learn. Shoot in the off. Fortunately, like, yes, they they with respect to Milwaukee who I think's excellent right now, the raptors should be the favorite happy, Leonard a very successful Toronto. Raptors coming at it east be enough to perhaps convince quite wanna stay to is it too early to start talking about that. I will just tell you don't get too cold up in the workwise going to go you just enjoy him. Nothing's changed as far as a wise concern. No. There's no new information. Everything if you wanna know how Fillon go back to exactly what I said before he's go to Toronto. He's gonna play it out going to play to the end. And at that time he's going to decide where he wants to go. And what did I say, it's Los Angeles. Nothing's changed. Don't food by what he's doing. Now. Not common. Nothing's here's to me. The thing that is most the start of the season, we should go back and read the stories of the teams that could've traded for qui- and what they were refusing to give. Up because they thought it was just one year rental. And because they didn't know how good he was going to be they worked URI's about his health. They didn't know where we're going to get the same old quiet Leonard right now, you don't think there are teams that were on that list. The Boston Celtics who didn't want to give up one of their young stars the Philadelphia seventy Sixers who were hesitant about Marquel? Foltz? Maybe the Lakers who are having to give up. Brandon Ingram those teams right now watching quite Leonard and his team be undefeated with him. Don't regret letting Toronto slide in there with the Rosen Toronto who thought they were going to have to blow the whole thing up. Anyway, at some point soon to have a real shot at going to the NBA finals, like eight is very interesting to look at how quiet being talked about now and how he was discussed when he was actually on the market for twenty nine teams to trade for I take a break coming up kin golden Tate help the eagles get back. This. That's next on pissing. Within joins the show he super tall. We're going to have to adjust our lighting. We are very excited though that is tomorrow right here on first things. First just our lighting with you. Because you're do not letting Griffin yellow Barbara Walters thing nicer. Okay. Here we go back here with Coachman Janet was really. The eagles. Make Carson Wentz. Halloween, candy or so very happy quarterback Philly traded. I mean candy tonight. Philly traded a third round pick to the lions for water CBA golden Tate asked why he traded for a guy in the last year of his deal. Eagles GM Howie Roseman said he's one of the most productive receivers in the league. And then he's run after catch numbers are phenomenal coach what impact could Tate have on this Philadelphia Eagles offense. First all that, pumpkin. White mazing you like that right across the screen. Again. I mean, we've been throwing wipes across the screen. Impressive. Self-loading in the pumpkin. Wife's. I think that the this is my favorite of the moves that were were made. And to me, this is we talked about how rare it is to get a quality player at this point in the season to be able to fill a need. And then you get a guy that fits that system as well as golden it's a run after the catch offense. This is a run after the catch player. This is a guy that has been extremely productive on third down. He's already got fifteen third down conversions the next highest guy on the eagles is ten and what's been the problem finishing games finishing games has been the problem. This guy allows golden paid allows them the opportunity you get those third down that they haven't been getting and be able to finish the game. And that was a real strength of the eagles last year and hasn't been as much of a strength this season. I thought this was a really good move. Listen. There is no denying that eagles just got better. And to your point they added at their week. Point, which is even though it's supposed to be run after catch system their bottom. Six in the league in yards after catch by wide receivers. They haven't been effective at executing that the single best typically run after catch receiver in football like to golden Tate has been over the course of his career particular last few years. So they added too much like the Rams needed an edge rusher. The eagles needed a receiver that had this skill set. And they added it, and they also understood that man, it is not going to get easier force the second half of the season. We not only five divisional games are non divisional games of the Rams the saints and the Texans. Like there are no games on their schedule. You look at and say, okay, just chalk it up to a win. And they have a lot of ground to make up their four and four Washington's five and two. So for all those reasons I like what it does for them tangibly intangibly, I like that for the players in the locker room. It lets them know we are not giving in on the season. We're doing much. Like we did last year. Even though we were better at this point last year. We're adding word sacrificing potential future picks like we did with Jay to like we did in the JJ trade to add to our team this season. This to me was the most impactful move any teammate at the deadline yesterday. Was their offense. Their biggest need for the Philadelphia Eagles. And we talk so much about them needing some help in the secondary little bit on the defense. You look at this this wide receiving corps is that were they really needed the most. I think how rosement in the staff looked at the team and there's several holes one being corner they could use some cornerback help. Now, they got some younger corners. It's just a matter of which side or we're going to try to have some patients with and because of Mike Wallace's injury. He's probably on injured reserve, he's probably not going to come back. They decided we're gonna be a little more patient with the secondary. We're going to add a little more firepower to the offense. But well, I like seeing is at the trade deadline, and I wouldn't even mind Roger Goodell. Troy, Vincent guys. Look, I wouldn't mind moving the trade deadline even back another week or ten days because I believe that the recent excitement given that salary cap over one hundred and seventy five million now, and we have a lot of guys guys are in different have different makeup as far as joining teams as far as general managers that willing to take more chances. Now, that's why you're seeing more trade. That's why. Seeing the culture change in the NFL. I wouldn't mind seeing a move back because now you can see week number ten would still be able to add we saw the excitement around the league the last seven days, I think the league should look at potentially moving it back even another week or two because it used to be week six now it's week eight. And so, and you would have more teams knowing they're out of it. And would say, you know, what it might make sense for us to be sellers. This is been the one thing the NFL as far as the news cycle goes has never done has never been as exciting basketball or baseball, the NBA and major league baseball trade deadline's are huge days where teams are remade up until recently the NFL trade deadline. We would see it pass about thirty years ago. I'm talking about five years ago where maybe there was one significant trade yesterday was an exciting day in the coach would say the fundamental differences between the league in baseball and basketball. I can trade a guy today and he can play tonight on that team because they run a lot of the same things, and you. Basically picked or plug and play them right now in in a fell with the systems that we have it's not as encouraged because it's going to take some downtime and the seasons only sixteen game. So I believe that's one of the biggest differences. What do you think coach is far is why things are a little bit different than any era that we've seen while? I'm with you the idea of pushing it back and guys starting understand where they are the team what they what they need other team saying, okay, it's not gonna work out for this year. Maybe we can get this salary off the books for next year. We can we can start to some degree planning for the following season and change the shape of their organization as well. I I'm totally in favor of pushing back even further as long as everybody has the same opportunity to do the same thing why not give all these teams chances to acquire players to move on players even deeper in this. I don't see the downside, especially in a hard cap league where you don't have to worry about. If you didn't have a hard cap you'd have. To worry about if you push it back, all of a sudden guys are going to be just be essentially buying off the players buying trying to buy their way to a Super Bowl that doesn't work in this in the NFL because the way the cap is set up, and so listen, I like the player movement. I understand some fans prefer the old days when a guy would be drafted by a team and stick with that team. That's not the Eero. We're in now. And I also applaud on the on the Detroit side, Matt Patricia in that organization being honest about where they are like they could look at the standings and say, okay, we're one game back. I believe their personnel. Situation's a little bit different than some of these other places where they really have three younger receivers that any guys that have emerged. So I could see them because they're definitely moving off a golden Tate. Right. So yes, they did do the right back. Matt Patricia didn't overreact looked at his roster golden Tate, viable asset. That's why he got that third fourth. Should this eagles offense? Look like when Tate comes in these up and running up to speed. What is this eagles offense? Look like. We're we're gonna have to wait and see because I do a lot of twelve personnel which is too tight ends to wide receivers. And they've done. That's that's been a core part of what they do. So it's hard for me to think that they're going to morph into an eleven team which would be one one tight end of three wide receivers. So how is he gonna fit into that that twelve personnel package, and look, maybe maybe they will transition to more rep of three wideouts. I just like the fact that this bring golden take opportunity get better on third down, and that was such a strength of theirs last year and their inability to close out games this given that chance and it helps the defense to say in the field longer. It keeps that defense on the bench longer as well. I think coach makes a great point as far as the twelve personnel. They spent high draft pick Dallas gutter he starting to emerge as a wide receiver. He's going to continue to be the not going to take him off the field more golden Tate, just because the yards after catch. Because he plays in the slot. He's not a slot receiver. He is not Eshelman. He is not Colby's -ly. He can play anywhere in the often. So look at him and schon to play outside you can gonna play too tight ends and one running back. So great point by coach realizing the personnel in his fit Nelson Aguilar. His numbers are going to be affected by golden take coming. You can get your three best pass catchers on the field without compromising what you like to do in that twelve personnel. You can have irks Tate and alshon all on the field and still have your other tied, and you don't have to because he doesn't have to play the slot. Like, you were saying cattleman, but the the other part of this is for Philly this year, you mentioned what their biggest need was. Sometimes it's not what your biggest need is as it is whereas eight need where there is a veil ability. You've talked to how the offense of line hasn't been as good this year as you would like to pass the Texans also traded for wide receiver their biggest need is clearly offensive. Lemme guess what? Open to lime in our. Not available to be had teams are overpaying for ver- mediocre offense of lime and they're not trading away. Good ones even teams that are rebuilding. You can't trade away a quality offense lineman. Even if you're rebuilding get your quarterback killed. So what they did is they took their twenty points. There's only one game all year that scored more than three touchdowns like they did need a jolt offense of this gives them an opportunity to. Thank you for listening to the first things first podcast. Remember, leave us a review and tell us what you think subscribe to the podcast on apple pie costs and catch us on f s one Monday through Friday six thirty AM Easter for Chris Carter, Nick, right? I'm Jenna Wolfe song.