ZBT #108: Travis Manion Foundation // The Army Is Fat & Tired
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And the picture is of someone in uniform is just up-close of them holding a jelly Donut there. Yeah. Yeah, it's bad. So report on health promotion and disease prevention has painted a grim picture of the military's physical fitness and sleep standards featuring roughly eighteen thousand randomly selected participants across each of the service branches. It showed that almost sixty six percent of servicemembers are considered to be either overweight or obese, holy shit. That's well how many sixty six percent St. six percent based on the military's use of body mass index. Okay. Has a measuring standard. That's ridiculous then because they usually have a little more leeway of your weight and height and all that. Do you want to hear the breakdown? Yes. All right. Get ready. Whichever branch I have. I have an idea, but go ahead, drum roll please. And I imagine this drum to be played with two chicken drumsticks, deep fried. Broken down by service, the army accounts for the highest percentage troop watch. To me at all y. I can can. I guess this can, I guess before we do it? Yes. I wanna guess I haven't seen the article acceptable in the thing. I would say armies, the fattest, I would say, Dennis the navy airforce marines. Okay, but there's one in front of navy there including coastguard in this say, so goes scarred, navy, airforce, marines show. Honestly, I, I would have thought the navy would have been at the top of the list just because of the nature of their jobs and the fact that they are stuck on ships and I have never spent time on a ship, but I had imagined doing on a ship is a lot harder and cons. You know, I would never take shots at the army. That's not what I do on this podcast. Never you've never done that makes you guys not only the lowest apps scores, but also the fattest. It's the fat, dumb guys, faddem guys on the block today for the army. I will say, I feel like the army knew what they were doing and they kind of given a wink to the rest of us. Guess what percent of the army is overweight sixty nine years. Ace. A sexy number of very overweight troops, but I. Chaps I look to you buddy what it what is going on with these NCO's that they are allowing these soldiers to get fatten and dumb baby. The officers who graduated from West Point or more focused on football than training their troops. And you know what? I don't necessarily have a problem with that. You guys are being cranky, maybe it's because you're tired. And this report also talked about legitimately and fat tired. Yeah, if they say the active duty and they just said, hey, everyone is fat and tired. I think America look itself in the mirror be like, yeah, that's that's about, well, they said. Chubby. This study kind of reflects what's happening throughout the rest of America. The army also, though bad look reported the highest rate of sleep concerns with ten point, six percent of soldiers routinely consuming sleeping aids. Interesting. The marines were next airmen sailors rounding that out the marines. I think they only take sleeping pills because they drink so much rip it's, I was gonna start the probably the reason that the army needs, although sleep aids just goes, you know, tobacco caffeine are rampant throughout the military, so it's fries. You need something to bring you down to sleep at night. That's why we recommend Starbucks. We also recommend that you mix decaf every now and then just mix it up a little bit now, but it's not surprising that they're tired. I mean, if you have to get up every day at five AM and you're at work until six, seven o'clock. And then if you stay up when you get home, that's just a bad cycle and then lack of sleep leads to weight gain. You know what. You know, what do you feel goes to the military culture of if I text you or call you at any point you better answer? I don't think that it allows you to get any deep sleep ever. 'cause you're always on call in if you miss those call, you are fucking dead meat, especially, you'll have that. I work at barstool and I have that because I mean my military brain still works in the same way like just because it takes a long time to get ten years of training out of your head. Like if it's working hours, even though Kate night, don't get off until midnight. I'm like, okay, if it's eight o'clock in the morning, my kids left, maybe I'll just grab like thirty minutes more sleep, not going to happen because I'm worried that I'm gonna miss a phone call. That's right. NDA were Erica has called me like maybe three times in three in two and a half years. Yeah. So I just don't think that's going to happen, but I'm still like again, this this phone call, Kim. This is the answer right away yet. No, it's a culture problem overall. Definitely. And you're tired to winner eating doughnuts? Yes, not the best. Yeah, health at all. Paul goes into gather, but I remembered to like you're in the field, you're eating as the what's the first thing everybody did when they got released after being in the field. Go get a shit house meal by. Bye. Good meal. I met. Yeah, it'll be like on. Like you. I don't know, but I kid you not when I when I worked at Quantico my entire diet when I was a single data and marine at the same time, my entire diet was one meal, and I would go at around two o'clock whenever we put the dogs out for training. I didn't have time for breakfast. I didn't have time for dinner really because I was working on paperwork. I would go eat three bacon editors at lunch, a large fry in a drink, and I still only weighed like one hundred sixty pounds because of how much shit you're doing now is just like I gotta get in thirty five hundred calories somehow. Let's just do it in one meal. God bless that metabolism to and then in the army. And I'm sure that's true of any branches. We had the gut trucks that would come to rule. Motor coach? Yeah, Roach coach, Chuck. Yeah, it would come to the motor pool so you can only imagine the type of food that's coming out of a truck and not necessarily the most healthy. What do you guys think is the solution here? Because obviously the problem is growing and growing. I know we used to have we called them BC people tunes body control percentage or something like that where it was literally like, here's the group of people in whatever that we need them to lose weight. But it's clearly it's not working because the problems growing, what do you do? And it is kind of a touchy subject, but I feel like at some point, if you're in the military and you knew going in that you have to be within these standards like it sucks and I don't want to sound like a douche, but like unless you have some sort of the i. Royd problem like you better fucking be within standards. Oh, it said, and that's what's great about the military is we can avoid being PC with instances like, hey, you're fat, you're overweight, that's not being judgy and thinking, maybe you should lose a few pounds. So you look better on your uniform. The. Tell me you are overweight. This is a problem because then it leads to, I mean, at the root of everything in the military, your body is a weapon. So you have to be the most inch, the most fit person that you can be to be the most effective, especially when you consider all these deployments that we're going on still to this day. So I don't have a problem with leadership coming down, hard on these people and saying, get your act together. But like how I was when I was a company gunning I used to run the BC program. Oh, and it was so fun because I had all the fat bodies microbe. And I would just belittle them all day and tell them that they are fat, and then we would go to the stadium. Oh yeah. They're fat little pieces of shit and they knew it so because it's again, it's not outside of the military culture. I don't think that's ever appropriate inside the military culture. It is one thousand percent data. That's my point. We don't have to be that it does come down to leadership though. It's. With weight people know it's a cycle, and so I feel like good leadership. Fosters healthy lifestyle then does it in like a healthy way and like maybe you'll get them to lose weight for like a chunk of time, but to inspire people to leave and completely changed our lifestyle and really stick with it so they can be successful in the military. I do think that's really difficult and really hard to do. Personalities. Yeah, I think that's what you do whenever you have, for example, a shortage of people who are willing to enlist, like if you had a draft type of military where it's not all on tier, we don't really need you right now. You better be in the standards because if you're outside of the standard should get the fuck out, and then we're seeing that will General Mattis takes the Masa department of defense. If you're not in standard, get the fuck out. And I used to love going to the BBC p guys because we used to run the stadium one time. Various specifically I used to make them run. I would run with them. It wasn't like I was just out there sitting on a lawn chair if they were running, I was running to and I'll be like, all right, we're gonna go do the stadiums, and so we would run up and down weave in and out just like you would an old football practice while there is one super fact. He got super chubby probably way. I mean in the military wing to sixty to seventy as a big felt that's very big fella. So he was a big fella rumbling on. On these stairs while underneath the stairs was this big ass be and the stadium steps he made the beehive fall off of now a concrete steps. So Bs started going everywhere. I was on one side. Some of my fat bodies were on the other side of the stadium, and they're screaming from the top of the stairs stuff. But he's like no longer running in formation or any type of organization just standard where like if you're. Nate have gone up an I star giant laughing. One female is like. Getting. I just. My captain comes out. The company commander comes out. He's like, what the fuck is going on. For me, fat bodies. Oh my goodness, that's that's a sight to behold. I wish I was there for that right now is dying chaps. I'm with you that you can very forceful and you can be very blunt. But at the same time, not to the extent that you're making these people feel horrible themselves because you have to, especially as a leader as an NCO as a platoon leader. I think it comes down to small unit leadership, right? Have to instill that lifestyle as you mentioned them, feel good about themselves. There has to be a balance within leadership styles in each role is very specific. I think the the role of the company gunnery sergeant is not to be a Kadar now, roll company. First Arjun is not wanna go see, quote, daddy. Go see the company commander. Yep, because if you come to my company office, that's not going to happen. I would expect my platoon sergeant to be the one weapon guys in the shape, and then you can come to my office and we're going to sit down and I'll be the one to work through a good eating plan, a good, strong diet and sleep regiment and to encourage you to lead a healthier life balance. And it's not just shitting on people. I don't wanna. Right, right. And I don't think it should be is because each unit has three people basically on top you have your company commander, you have, you're tuned commanders and then you have your tune level leadership company level enlisted leadership. You have those three kind of dichotomies. You have to look at the personalities that are within that because there's been organizations that I've been the nice guy to like when I was down here lack when as the instructor. My my role was very, very different than it was the company gummy, but I think as a company very specifically in that role, you've got to be addicted because that's the job requires because you can't take on that feeling well as an as an excuse, like. It's just not going to cut it. Yep. So it's gotta come down from very on high that the culture needs to change. And then you know that company level leadership needs take it upon themselves to own that responsibility to get these soldiers. Airmen marines sailors guardsmen into shape. 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A lot of people ask me, where were you on? Nine eleven do on nine eleven. So my story is I was actually home. I was off duty. It actually had been a beautiful day that morning. My wife was eight and a half months pregnant, and she's a schoolteacher. So she'd gotten up in the morning and she she said, hey, Tim, it's beautiful day. I'm going to work. You're staying home. And with that, I went downstairs. I was reading the paper and the phone rang, and it was turned out to be my brother who is a navy officer and he goes all thank God, you're home. What are you? What are you talking about? He was watching TV, and I said, I'm not. He goes, turn on the TV so I turned on the TV and the the first tower was burning and I said to him, Holly, you know, it looks like the brothers are going to be busy today, and he just pause. And he said to me, Tim, it's gonna get worse. You need to get to work. And with that. He hung up. I went outside, jumped in the car, and I started driving into the city. And I said, well, I'd better call Colleen and I called and I left a message on on her voicemail. I said, hey, look, something's going on in Manhattan. I gotta get to work and I don't know when I'll get a chance to call you again. As I drove into the city, the I got Yonkers raceway. And if you know where that is, you can actually see the skyline. I could actually see both towers burning and I just got a bad feeling in my stomach. And what I did was I called my friend Jeff who Colleen, and I had already asked to be our unborn child's godfather, and he said you heading into the city. I said, yeah, I am. And he says, okay, I said, look, Jeff firemen are going to die today. If something happens to me, you're gonna have to watch over Colleen and our own born child. Was that a thought you'd ever had before going into work? I'd only had it once before it was when I actually left to go to operate in desert shield as a storm when I was a marine and I'd ask the priest who I knew that if something happened to me, I wanted him to say my funeral, so I hadn't thought about it ever since. But I asked Jeff, and I got into the firehouse and all the guys coming in from off duty. It was. It was crazy that day, you know, as I was driving in as fast as my little Chevy cavalier drive, I was actually being passed. I was doing one hundred miles an hour and I was being passed on the left and the right by these by the cops and firemen racing into the city as. So by the time I got down to the Trade Center, the bowl towers had come down ready and it was, you know, dust and smoke everywhere, and people that had survived the collapse kind of walking around and the guys like us who are coming in after the fact. We just tried to help them and they do do what we could. And we started forming small groups under officers that we didn't know. And they were like, okay, this group start to start digging here and we'd form, you know, we would hear the on the air packs. There's a motion sensors, and if they're no motion, they go off. So we could hear motion sensors in in the piles of debris, and we try and dig, and you know, we heal turned out to be just a pack laying around that maybe had been dropped or whatever. So I worked through the night, he'll at the trade centre, went home the next morning, so you know Saul, Colleen. And then what started was basically twenty four hours on and twelve hours off either out the Trade Center in the firehouse for the next few days. And my next part of the story of nine eleven is that on the day, the President Bush came to the Trade Center and everybody remembers him, stay rate speech. I was dog tired and they said, if you're gonna leave leave now it it out or you're gonna be, you know, you gotta have to stay. Right. So I said, I'm outta here and I headed home and my wife, like I said, eight and a half months pregnant absolutely has a melt down on me and she's screaming and yelling that you know, how could you leave? You know you were just willing to go. And she goes, you didn't even think about me. And I said, I did. I did think. About you because what do you mean? How how did you think about me and I, I call Jeff, and also she stops crying and she looks. She goes, you call Jeff. I said, what do you mean? You said she goes, you left me with Jeff. I'm sorry. Brad, Pitt wasn't available. And that's how on and then exactly two weeks after September. Exactly. Two weeks after September. Eleventh. My son was born. His birthday was just the yes, two days ago earned. Seventeen. So it's been, you know, and that started a whole thing of, you know, working at the Trade Center working in the fire houses. And then on off duty time, I would actually come home and take take my son aid in the little one of them, baby bizarre things strapped him to the chest, the my uniform, and I just take him to funerals. And just and my wife would be like which funeral today, I don't know of one this one going on this one I'm going. I'm going Patty Brown's to Greg Sikorsky's Chris Blackwell's you know, and it was just, you know. You know, whether it was guys, I knew guys, I didn't know, but I went to as many as I could. You know, and I had a newborn strapped to my chest, so life moved on. You know, the fire department moved on. I a couple years after I had been working up in Harlem, and I got the opportunity to transfer to rescue company number one in midtown, Manhattan, right, and got a visitor, and then and then I got a visitor. So rescue one is a special ops company. We do a lot of scuba diving. We do a lot of the technical rescue stuff that happens in Manhattan and I was working on in December of two thousand six. And there was a knock on the door and there's two marines at the door. You know, hey, come on in there, say we're marines. Were here visiting. I said, well, a former marine come on in sure. And usually in midtown Manhattan, a lot of fire houses get a lot of isitor's and I kind of had my standard tour that I would give you'll visitors, but him being a marine, you know, both of them being marines. We started talking a little bit. And turns out Travis. He talked about having been to Iraq and that he was getting ready to go back to another. You know, the deployment hit a friend with them who was a a helicopter pilots h. Fifty-three pilot, Steve Cantrell, and we just talked and end up hanging out for a couple of hours in the firehouse talking about the upcoming deployment and what he expected. And at the end of the after showing them around the firehouse and talking about Travis actually said, hey, can I buy a t shirt or hat? And I said, no, you can't buy it. I said, I'm going to give it to you. So I gave them a t shirt and a hat. And with that often to the ninety went and you probably didn't think much of it at that to be honest, it was, yeah, that's what happened in off into the ninety one. And then Ryan, what was what was travis's journey to to that point? How did he end up in the marines. Well, my dad is a retired Marine Corps Colonel, so we were born into a military family and. But never was my dad pushing my brother to to serve in the Marine Corps. He actually ended up choosing to go to the naval academy for college. So we knew as soon as he left for college that he would be serving military in some capacity. And what was it that he entered the naval academy? Ninety nine. He graduated from high school. Okay, so so nine eleven happens while he's at the naval academy, right? So he enters the naval Kadhamy and again, you know, growing up in a military family. My dad never deployed during my entire life growing up. I never had that sense of worry or fear while he was serving in the military. It actually wasn't until September eleven that all the sudden I looked at. I was in college at the time to Travis now, fifteen months apart. And I remember that morning. I was asleep and I was woken up by my mom and my dad was still reserves at the time stationed at the Pentagon, and he was actually working for Johnson and Johnson and out on a service project and to my mom could not get a hold of him. So she called me hysterical because she had just gotten a call from Travis who says, you know, mom, something's going on in New York. They've put the naval academy and lock down and they actually moved them off the academy grounds. And so you know, my mom's freaking out and I'm watching the TV, and I don't know what to do with myself on. Like, I guess I'm just gonna go to class. So I go to my English class that day and my teacher never forget. My professor says, listen in light of what's happening and still at that when I left for class, neither tower had collapsed, but both have been hit and they knew it was a terrorist attack. They were already saying that. So he said, pull out a piece of paper and a pen and just write down what you're feeling right now. And I actually just found that piece of paper just a couple years ago, and I had written on that piece of paper for the first time in my life. I'm scared of the fact that my dad is in the military and that my brother's going to be going into the military and I had written, I hope this what happ what's happening today does not result in war and that my my dad or brother will end up having to go into a war zone. And that's exactly what happened. But he ended up at the naval academy. And then again chose the Marine Corps. Not surprisingly. Went graduate in two thousand and floor. Four did his first deployment to Iraq right away in two thousand and five. And where was he in two thousand and five to Iraq? You said, I'm sorry, he was in Iraq. Yeah. Okay. So things were pretty things are pretty heated in Iraq back in two thousand five? Yes. And then, yeah, then it's tough time in between? No. In between those that first deployment, then he came home from that deployment and was he just on leave that he wound up going to New York City and just thought he'd visit and he was on leave and he, he had a very small window between when he got back to when he was going again, because he joined actually up a military transition team called mid team, right? So he was pooled to join this mid team, one of twelve other marines that would be helping to train the Iraqi army. And so he was stationed in Pendleton out in California. So Travis was back from Pendleton and came back to the east coast and he wanted to make sure that he did a few things. That was on his bucket list. I'm going to get up to New York. I wanna make sure I spent some time with the firefighters in New York and other things on his bucket list where I'm going to Philadelphia Eagles game Super Bowl, champs. Yeah, but those were two of the main things that he wanted to do in that short window. Thou, he took a trip up to York, and when he came back from that trip to New York, he went to my dad. He actually went to my dad and and you know, it's interesting because Tim's recollection of that time was like, hey, it was another couple of people that case a couple of guys. Yeah, but Travis came back like, hey, so amazing. We met this, the firefighters. This guy was a marine. He fed us. He took care of us. Their operations are mazing. We got to thank him. Oh, by the way, dad look at this Hattie gave me and he gave the hat in my dad. And on the back, the hat said, nine, eleven, never forget. And he said, dad, dad, hold onto this hat. Why? While I'm gone and my dad had it hanging right in our Jim in at my parents house while my my brother was deployed. So and then your brother deployed again, he deploys again the day after Christmas in two thousand and six, and and then on April twenty nine, two thousand seven. We get a knock on our door that he's been killed by enemy sniper while in Iraq. And you know it was. I hope it will be the toughest day of our life, but it was. It was a tragic day in one, I'll never forget. Obviously, never wanna, forget his memory. So from that day forward, how did you develop the foundation? What were the steps in between that day and then the Travis Manion foundation starting, you know, I often say like, I think the Travis Manion foundation was born the day that he passed because I remember after the initial shock and just like Nadi be able to comprehend like, oh my gosh, she's gone. It was the day of Travis general few days later. My dad pulled my mom and I into their bedroom, and he said, listen, you know, this is the toughest thing where ever going to have to go through and we've lost, you know, the rock of our family, but we have to continue to move forward and not only. Continue travis's legacy, but the legacy of all these men and women who have given their lives in service to this country. And so we made a commitment in that bedroom before we stepped out to go to that we were going to do something and. At the time in two thousand seven, believe it or not go fund me was not around. There were no online giving portals. Our parents friends had actually gone down to the local Bank and they set up a Bank account. And in the newspaper, it said, you know, in lieu of donate or Lua flowers, please send donations to the first Lieutenant Travis Manion memorial fund. And we found ourselves about three weeks after travis's death. When we were kind of like picking up the pieces what happens now, we went down to the Bank and we had several hundred thousand dollars and a man like, wow, okay, this is the start of it and we just hit the ground running from there. And I think that's a testament to I've heard so many stories about him to testament to who he was as a person who apps I was telling them I'm from Chester county than lived in Delaware. But my last name also Manion I have. I have an extra end, but when I was in the Marine Corps, several times people came up to me. I was in from two thousand eight to twenty twelve. But several times marines came up to me and said, did you are you related to Travis? And I didn't know who Travis was. So I finally googled it. I googled who is who is Travis Manion and I read it and I was like, oh, a marine who is way better than me. It's crazy transcend. I mean, obviously the Maria is the smaller, you know, one of the branches, but for him to transcend the Marine Corps for people that know that name really is truly remarkable and whoever asked me always seemed like, are you? They always seemed like, and then they would always tell me how great he was. It was people who just happen to have known him. Usually it was off, but you could tell that they really admired him so that every time I see the Travis Manion foundation out somewhere. I always feel like this little. I don't know. I've always been rooting for it. Fan, so there somewhere? Yeah, silver the second out when we came over from Ireland. Yeah. So. Oh brother. Going on the fact that your brother was so remarkable. There was a book written about him that profiled him and another gentleman and what was that book. So my dad ended up writing a book called brothers forever. Travis was killed in two thousand and seven, and then. In September of two thousand and ten travis's best friend and roommate at the naval academy, Brendan looney, who was a navy seal was killed in Afghanistan and Travis and Brennan are buried next to each other in Arlington. Well, and my dad felt that it was really important to share their story not just to share Travis and Brennan story, but to share their stories, a representation of what this generation of men and women who have stepped up to serve represents and wrote that book and and it got great reviews and hit a bunch of bestseller lists and kind of worked its way not just around the military community, but around the civilian community as well as a really testament to leadership and service and so much so that it got all it's got its way to the firefighter community as well. And that's where we pick up the story with Tim again and Tim, how did you find this book? And where do we go from there? Well, what happens is the my friend, Steve Elliot, and I Steve's a former marine. We would trade books back and forth. I read a book, I'd give it to him, he'd readable. So under he came and gave me this book and he says, you should read this book Clinton side, note proof that marines read. There weren't. We can exist. So Steve gives me the book brothers forever, and I was actually reading it. I was jogging on the treadmill at the gym as I'm reading the book. And one of the things that Colonel Manion had done in the book was he actually talked about travis's visit prior to a second deployment to rescue one. And in the book talks about that a former marine. Gave him the tour and you know the story as it goes as I'm Rena I nearly fell off the treadmill because I go. I remember that night. I was barking yeah. You know they're talking about me. So I call Steve and I said, I'm in the book. He goes, what are you talking about? You're not. In that I said, remember the part where talking about the former, he goes only got it. Is you. And I told my wife and she's like, I remember you telling me about two marines visiting you at the firehouse. So what ends up. I read the book and I was to find out that you know Travis, Brandon had. Had been killed, and I was like, holy, I met this guy. Yeah. So at the back of the book, it says for more information, visit the Travis Manion foundation website. I go on the website and I kind of expecting. I hear about all these different foundations and you think it's, you know, they have a golf outing every year they give thousand bucks to some college kid going off to college, and that's pretty much a lot of these foundations. But then when I realized what this foundation had become very, very impressed with what they had done in about not quite ten years. And what I did was I had contact us. I sent them an Email and I said, you know, to concern, my name is Tim Sullivan on the former marine that was working when Travis came to visit rescue one. And I said, I'm not some nut job. I really am the guy and I, what I do is I talked about remember what I remember Travis, but I talked about what I remembered of the friend that was with him. And I said, you know, I remember this guy. He was a helicopter pilot and to kind of prove myself crazy loon trying to give them a hard time. Right? And I said, look, I just want to express my condolences. I did not know until just now in early twenty fifteen that Travis had been killed. I'm express my condolences. So about a month goes by and I don't hear anything. So I kind of figured off into the nother world and then Colonel Manion received Email back from Colonel Manion. And he says, dear tame, we've always wondered who you are. You know, it'd be great. I'd love to sit down with you and have a beer someday. And my reaction was, well, I like beer. Reaction. I'd love to sit down and have a beer with you also. And then we look into it and it turns out there's a there is a golf outing every year for the foundation, it's around the anniversary of travis's death of usually the last Monday in April or so and Steve Elliot, and I decide we're going to, we'll go down and we'll play golfing will donate to the cause. And when we went down to the Gulf outing, we decided we were going to pay our respects from not just from us, but also from the fire department. Stephen IRA both members of the VFW post. So we came down and we actually the the fire helmet that you see there. Ryan is, is that one of the gifts that we presented to the foundation and the forty four stands for the forty, four, New York City firefighters who were killed an active military service over the core of the history of New York City fire department. So that's what we presented to them and ever since that day. The foundation has brought myself into brought me into their their activities. I've become more involved Ryan and I have become friends and they have been nothing, but gracious to me. They actually explained to me that at one point and Ryan could probably touch on this a little bit better. But I won't point. They actually came to New York to try and find me. Before the book before, while Brian can probably tell this. What was that? What was that like to you? Knew about this gentleman, but you didn't know who he was? Yeah. So you know, right after Travis was killed. I think it was. It was probably less than a year later. My dad said, I want to go to rescue one because it had been such an impactful trip for Travis. We went up to rescue one. We actually had a friend who was a marine who was a firefighter, not that didn't serve rescue one, but had some connections there. So he got us to visit up there. We went up. I took my my husband, my mom, dad, and my youngest daughter, we showed up there and they were incredibly gracious, but we could tell none of them had been the firefighters that had been with Travis. They were like. They were like, oh, I think we remember him, you know? But you know, like, but it it still for me walking away. I was like, well, that was special just to see. I mean, I don't know one, but it's incredible. And there's just something so special about it. And so we left there with that fast forward after meeting in actually getting to meet Tim and being like, this is the guy. Yeah. Well, let's let's rewind. Just a second. What was it like on your urine for you and your father went Tim, sends that Email? What was the reaction? Well, so that came into our general mailbox and I remember our office manager was like orated this to to my dad and I and and just like Tim thought like they thought I was some wacko humans life. I'm not sure if this is legit. And we read it and my dad's like, no. I mean, he knows that Steve's helicopter pilot like this must be the guy, but and true. You know Colonel Manion Marine Corps fashioned kind of sat on it for a little. And how he was going to respond. And then you know, I mean, it was instantaneous once we connected with him and he came to town right away. It wasn't. I knew right away when he came that it wasn't like, hi, we're gonna spend the day with him and that'll be it. You know, there was going to be a friendship there that would continue on and surely has. That's the main thing just grates toy to such a good story and the Travis Manion foundation, the if not me then who, and you. There's so many different avenues that you've taken in that approach. I know one is in small community projects and fixing another is this year. It was a trip to Alaska for gold star families to connect with each other and to do service projects for other people. And there's so many different things at the foundation does. Can you just give a quick overview of of what is? Yes. So our goal at at the foundation is to play a role in. Strengthening America's national character. And we truly believe that our men and women who serve in uniform or the catalyst to make that change. And we wanna make sure that we're giving men women who take off the uniform in opportunity to continue their service right here at home. So we're doing everything from we have over a thousand trained post nine, eleven veterans that are out there, teaching character education to our nation's youth. We presented character education over two hundred fifty thousand students across the country. We run our operation legacy service projects twice a year where we execute hundreds of service projects across the country, and and that's what it's all about. It's one community at a time. I'm making sure that we are leveraging the skills and assets of our men and women in uniform when they're coming home saying, hey, you know, they take off the uniform, but they are still incredible assets to your community. So we want to give them the opportunity to do that and. And beyond that, we also want to make sure that we become a catalyst for change on how we can bridge that civilian military divide. Right? So we just just finishing up our nine eleven heroes runs. These are five k. runs across the country during the month of September. We still have our our New York one in October, seventh, but we'll execute sixty eight runs over the course of this month and bring out about sixty thousand people. And you think about this idea that Tim son was born two weeks after September. Eleventh. He seventeen years old. Now, like when you think about September, eleventh, that's our Pearl Harbor, right? Like each and every one of us know where we were on September eleventh, but we need to make sure that these young kids that are coming up, understand the significance of how that changed the course of our history and importance that that remains within our history. And you think about that sense of unity, we. Had when President Bush stood on that pile of rubble and how our country was so connected at that time. And it took a terrible tragedy like that for us to get to that place would how can we bring back that sense of unity, unity to a country that is so divisive and divided right now. And that's the end of the day what we're trying to do. Right. I mean, and as you mentioned, I mean, seems like now more than ever. We need folks like you guys to to bridge that gap. Maybe not necessarily just between the military and civilians, but just everyone in general. Just bring us back together. Is that for the goals and the steps going forward for the Travis Manion foundation? What do you see as the near future holds for you guys? I think for us, we wanna keep can keep growing our base. We've got over one hundred thousand members across the country and these there's only a fraction of those that represent. Veterans, right? We think we serve about sixteen thousand veterans year, but the rest of our membership. These are just what we call inspired civilians, men and women who who are saying like, hey, I want to get involved. I wanna be part of the process. I wanna do a community project service project in my backyard. I wanna be working with kids and teaching them about service and leadership, and we wanna keep growing that and it's just we want to. We want to make our way into more regions and just keep getting the word out about this idea of how each and every one of us getting back to. It can take those five words if not me then who those are the five words, my brother spoke before leaving for a second deployment at that Philadelphia Eagles game, my husband, you know, joked about pushing him down the stairs. And he said, oh, you know, if I kick you down the stairs, maybe you'll break your ankle and you won't have to go back. And my brother turned to my husband and said, you know what? If I don't go back, some much less prepared is gonna go my place. If not me then who. Well, that those five words that night, but he lived by them each and every day. So how can we take those five words and compel each and every American to have those? If not me then who moments each and every day and so. Awesome. Where can they go to people who are listening? Where can they go to check this out, learn more and participate. They can go to Travis Manion dot org to our website. They can find us on Twitter at TM foundation on Facebook on Instagram, all our social media platforms, but go to our website, sign up, become a member and get involved in your community to sue. Great. Yeah, really is a tremendous thing that's going on and like, like Ryan said Sunday, October, seventh is the New York City. Nine. Eleven heroes run. Yeah, I've participated in the last couple. I've also participated in the Travis and Brandon marathon team. I've run the less to Marine Corps marathons in Washington DC representing the. Foundation, and I've also become one of the character does matter shockers for the foundation. So it really is a tremendous thing that's going on in the if not me then who movement. And I've said this before is each individual has a chance hasn't at one point in their lives had that if not me then who moment, right, you know and it doesn't have to be, you know, something profound. It's at that moment. And I say usually at adversity, you know, if not me then who I talk about on nine eleven the three hundred forty three firefighters. The twenty three New York City police officers. Thirty seven port authority, police officers, and the thousands of civilians who were trying to help each other right in those towers. It was there if not me then who moment on that day. I've looked back through the foundation and I've said you at what point of I had my own, if not me then who moments. And so I think this resonates with the with. The people throughout the country resonates with me resonates, and it goes to what the national character Ryan talks about when we were United on that day after nine, eleven, and would like to get back to that and everything that's crazy right now in our country. I think we need to, you know, everybody needs to say, won't if not me, then he'll what can I do to make this a better place. Right? And I think Ryan in the foundation are doing a tremendous job of China, get the spread the word and get this country United again, that is very noble noble mission. So we appreciate both of. Yeah, joining us, Tim. Thank you for your service to our country to your for your service to the city of New York, Ryan. Thank you for working with your family to start the Travis Manion foundation and a big. Thank you to your brother for his sacrifice and all the good that he imparted on this world before he left it. So, yeah, here thinking what a testament Travis and who. He was a person not just incredible, and and also quick shout out to the FBI who has always been such a huge supporter of the troops and vice versa. But I always thought that was such an incredible relationship. And I feel like this story kind of a pit him is, is it for me? I just think it's incredible. So yeah, Tim, Ryan, thank you so much for joining us today. Can I keep making a difference? What go ahead to tell you one last one last thing totally off topic, but you know, Tim, Tim, and did the today show on September. Eleven. You know, I leave for New York and I tell my twelve year old daughter. I'm heading up to New York to do the today show and she's like, I mean, she could care less. I'm looking at my calendar said, oh, I've got, I'm talking my husband. Oh, I've got a interview with barstool sports. Are you kidding. Really. Just open your street cred. The twelve year olds. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Thanks everybody from the Travis Manion foundation for coming on the show. We really appreciate them taking the time, and that was also brought to you by our friends at four hymns four hymns. We're talking builders again folks. You know, we're talking Boehner's. We're not talking about me snake oils or anything like that. 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It was that is what's not cool trying to kill mad dog another got an opponent of Vic with the navy. Yeah, we're back to. We're back to talking crap about the, you know when something happens in the news but like government or military related and somebody did something bad. Do you ever get this mantra in my head, please don't be a veteran police. Don't be a veteran, please don't be veteran. Well, it was a veteran, a navy vet from Utah, invest descending, four envelopes containing the substance from which rice in is derived to President Donald Trump and top military leaders including mad dog. The documents filed Wednesday night and Utah court say thirty nine year old, William CLYDE Allan. The third, we could've just that name. Exactly. Yeah, William Claude down the third. I think that they could be like, dude, you had no choice. If your name is three first names and then a number you probably gonna mail. Reisen definitely. I don't know, but don't go on with the story to like. I think there's one part of this story that really sticks out to made that shows that we might need to bump up aspect requirement. All right. So thirty, nine year old, William Claude Allen the third confessed to investigators after his arrest at his house in the small city of Logan, Salt Lake City documents, file to justify Allen's arrests did not state a motive, but state investigators working with the FBI say, envelopes remained last week to the president FBI director Christopher ri- Ray w. r. a. y. whatever that is Defense, Secretary, Jim Madison, the navy's top officer Admiral, John Richardson, the letters were intercepted and all tested positive. No attorney's been listed. What about that stuck out to you? There's one part in that particular news article that you read that omitted. Probably the biggest information that shows this guy a fucking dummy. That part is that he mailed them with the return address to his fucking house. Wow. Like, how do you do that? Well, way waiting get this biological chemical weapon and you just drop it in a blue box, dude. I mean, I'm not actually strike that reverse it. We're not a pro. Not at all, but what did you think? Oh, this doesn't get them at us. I hope it comes back to me what's what's the end game there for putting that return address? Just not thinking, well, he's smiling and his mugshot. So maybe he's like, that's right. It was me navy. Ingenuity, go navy. Anything like I, I don't get that like down. You're gonna go to jail for the rest of your life. You're gonna prison for Russia life. You try to kill the Defense Secretary chaper stage. If someone puts the return address on poison, do you think they're thinking that far ahead. No, I don't think he's thinking at all. No, I don't think thing is at all, but what a story? Yeah, it's been awhile since we've had a good ole letter scared. Yeah, they're bringing him back. He, I don't say glad because I think they try to kill him. I say grab because it really gives my boys that are working boys and girls who are working the canine beat a little bit more job security. Definite right. And just a quick background to he enlisted in October of ninety eight and left in October of two thousand two at the rank of e too. So that that tells you a lot right there. Yeah, he was a damage, control fireman, apprentice. That's what he did. He was on a supply ship support ship in Detroit, but that's it. Yeah, it's a, I think those people are the ones that do like if they, if there's a aircraft that goes down on the flight line. Right? Okay. Out rollback. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Fellow interesting. Shifting gears to the army though little zero blog Hisham found this to be interesting. There was a gentleman. He was a holocaust survivor and it's going to be away. Can we give spoiler this going to be a really positive thing now because you got fat famed dump shamed earlier in the show. Yes, output. Well, it's just going to speak to what a, what a rest of man and the life you lead. Boca. There's gentleman Sydney, I, I hope I don't pronounce this wrong. Shush. Now he was a holocaust survivor and he ultimately came to United States, enlisted in the army reached the rank of Major General served in Vietnam in. He was in special forces for over thirty years. And it was just us. He was known as being a really, really tough guy. I just thought that was interesting to survive the on life. Yeah. And then to bounce back from the holocaust, I almost wonder, are you almost too young to be affected by because I think most people who probably survived the holocaust, obviously we're very scarred. So do then survive that as a young child to then go complete opposite direction and reached the rank of Major General is truly impressive. I thought, oh yeah, there's a lot of people not a lot. I feel like that that is a rarity, but who have had face really difficult things and come out on time and that's super impressive. That's that's really something actually in the his memoir he, he did say, I developed an instinct for survival. Yeah, which is a horrible way to develop an instinct for survival, but kudos to him for surviving. And then when you get out of great concentration camp by our like escaping the holocaust, I imagine it gives you a huge sense of devotion to servicemen immigration for freedom fighting for that. Makes complete sense. In my mind, I hate to say this a very small part of me when you started talking had a tone to it was like, oh my God, please don't turn this into an Ed. Oh, no. Great motors. I started to get that nervous feeling all right, but I have. I wouldn't do that basically like. If you're if you're going to get a job like after doing something like that, I think like going into the army and being a Major General going to do that. 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Like I guess there should be like more white around the brakes like cell starting to his, not really seeing that you've been taking it easy. I'm went through like a Rolodex in my head of like the Starbucks trip getting by dog surfing like working out with with NFL players. Yeah, indoor skydiving. That's taking it easy. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, totally more calcium. He's like not how that works. Drinking more milk. Yeah. So for three hours, when you say something like that, I'll eat more calcium and somebody who actually knows about science. That doesn't really. I was like, okay, if you did this check in just making sure. But yeah. All right. Come back eight weeks. So I was like, that was worth three hours. So that was cool. All right. That's it for me. Yeah, get comfortable. I've got a few one chaps and Kate. We posted on our Instagram page. If you're not on Instagram page, it's awesome. Zero bug thirty on Instagram. We posted a picture of a gentleman in civilian clothes, driving a humvee, and I thought that's probably really great to drive a home v. once you're out of the military, because when you're in the military and your driving home v, you got your full kit. You at least got a kevlar on. It's not really fun. It would probably be fun to drive a humvee when you could just drive around and have fun. No, you would think so, but I have an f. to fifty. Yeah, in parking is a bitch. Okay. Still. So I, I always I love having my trap when something comes up, like I have to a bunch of rocks around my house at two new Saad. I have to bring things around like take stuff to the dump. But other than that, it's a pain in the ass man. The Bill for trucks anymore. It's not. It's not built for a h one for sure. Fun though to just go cruising around cruising without a kevlar on without a smoking a cigarette, doing all the things not supposed to on my cell phone do everything. I'd be taxing. You know, I would kill for one of the World War Two era GPS with the top saw windshield that folds down. Yep, that'd be the ones that are painted. Really nice. That's more modern has the nice leather seats in it and stuff like that. I would kill driver also have three very slick, very hot nineteen. Forties. She is in the back of. Yeah, crush it. Go with. I couldn't think of that. But yes, that's in my mind next up, Kate and I are in our first fight because Kate for on at some unexplainable reason, things cheese, cheese steaks are better than pizza. It's true. Why explain. You know, gritty was up here. He went on that pizza review, Dave, and he trolled the fuck Dave. He they've handed slice of pizza, gritty slapped it upside down on the sidewalk, and then he pulled out a cheese steaks, better sign. And I said, yeah, got us support the 'cause there's nothing better when you are super, super hungry. Nothing better than a good cheese, steak, cheese, steaming, hot with ketchup. I love cheesecake, but I just don't think it's on the same level. You're not invited to my birthday anymore and you're not invited thanksgiving. That's that apps that you have to pick between the two of us, no pressure. I don't wanna hang out guys. Two more. That means he picked me. Roughly. Don around gammy roll around a ground. Frank, allergic to me to that great. We'll come back later. Check on you. Oli Schweik worked.