SPECIAL - Locked On's Black Lives Matter Roundtable - 8 Locked On Hosts discuss life as a black man in America
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ORLEANS, Louisiana I've been working in live theater production of the stage manager over the last eleven years happily engaged, and have been working here with locked on saints going into now my third season and I've been covering the team for about four years as hello. Everybody. I'm Tony Wiggins the host of locked on Jaguars. Air Force veteran proud of that father of five been married to Kim for thirteen years just month grew up in Jacksonville Florida and Washington DC. By Barber and have been so for the last twenty seven years. Everyone. This is Aaron Freeman. Host of locked on Falcons was born and raised in Virginia went to school in Pittsburgh now I live in North Carolina and I work in research. On Early Childhood Education was happening issue boy. Q., I'm originally from the bay area. In California, now live in central Texas. I'm also the host of the locked. All Raiders podcast been doing it now for about three seasons I've been doing radio music radio says one, thousand, nine, hundred nine, but in two thousand twelve transitioned into sports radio, and now hosts a radio show on ESPN. Texas called unnecessary rough this from twelve to three. Three daily, but has gone on everyone. Cody Davis host of locked on Texans I've been covering the Texans for around two years now, and I'm originally from ones, but living in Houston for over the last fourteen years they was. This is key Fong Fei on lockdown. Sixers I'm originally from Philly I went to college at Pittsburgh at Penn actually in Pittsburgh I lived down south for like ten years then I came back home, and I'm covering the sixers for the Philadelphia Inquirer and against the lock on six. There's unlimited dream. Go just living the dream, but when everybody is John From Sports. Guy Games than I am also the of locked on sex from Houston. Texans the. HOUSTON SPORTS DOT COM. I also taking the juvenile justice system here in Houston for Harris County scores I don't know where Welby and my name's Chris Carter I'm the host of the lockdown steelers podcast born and raised in. Pittsburgh got my law degree. Here got my Undergrad degree at chain university been a NFL analyst for the past five years on still working in the legal field, but I've been working with lockdown steelers podcast for over a year. Now I'm happy to be part of this panel. Over the next ninety minutes these seven men will share their stories of what it's like to live as a black man in America it will be passionate and brutally honest. It's the locked on podcast network black lives matter roundtable. All. Right, family very glad to be able to be here with everybody and to be able to talk with jaw. Get Rolling here. We'll open up our first topic. We've got a few that we'll go through, but we'll kick off. With a question about when was the first time that you clock and we're able to articulate racism in your experience. Jump in Whoever has an experience this year right off the bat. Tony Wiggins I'll tell you what. Maybe in retrospect I probably experienced it before I realized however I just know when I. was a child living in the inner city in and. What would be considered neighborhoods? I never felt that. The cops were there to protect me. Always thought they were there to get me. And and some of that may have been the people around me, and and their experiences that that came to me as a child, but I had white coaches that will come. Pick me up for practice so to me. it kind of erased so the first time I actually experienced when I realized that Oh. This is something different. I took a job. After I graduated high school I took a job. Right before I went in the military and I found myself. Working I was the only person in there that was that was not on work. Release These prisoners they were like on work release and I I was the only one that. We're working for two dollars an hour because they were, they were basically charging you for the food that you eight but I told him I don't Wanna eat. I want my four dollars and twenty five cents an hour. And when I told him that I had a better job for the last three months that I was going to be a civilian. This guy, they missed a miller. He looked right at me and say I thought you would different you just like the rest of them now mind you. I'm on my way to the United States. Air Force and he basically told me that I was like those how to kill us that we're in the back of the kitchen. That were glad to work for two dollars an hour, so it kind of broke Mahar. He's been here. Some sports guy a lot. I would say Tom that I actually. Noticed it and was able to recognize you with our. saw. Clouds and land on was actually. Twenty two years old I was in Beaumont Texas. We were having how kickback at the time and we got a little awesome to police. Officers came knock on the door and they did the normal When you Kinda, say down, keep calling games complaints with not I mean you know we have to come back and being the consequences are gonNA. Have they play? I was okay one third offer, so who? Stormed to my door while yelling I'm seeking US know all kinds in. The beginning. Try to belittle me. You know through five meet. Digging Hours on welfare. And he also at that point, begin to reach batch. Is. Yelling. And other policies was sitting near kind of. Still Commute assault that he didn't know. We already have to come station. You know. He was still yelling in claiming that he'd been in my house a lot of times and At that point, I was Families and so I went back and forth with them. Let them know that I. Thought. I'll take care of my brother. I'm also in school. You never came to my house. I gave him everything every fact that he wanted to know because. That was the first time. Ice Bins racism gleaned. That I wanted to react in the same manner. This is your boy cue from Loch Don Raiders. And it's crazy because you hear about a lot of racism when it comes to African Americans and the black male when you're in the inner city, but all a lot of the racism that I really experienced was being in a nice neighborhood, being in a neighborhood that my mom put me in so I had a better opportunity to. That's where I really discovered, and I really was prone to have racist acts though my. My Way and and it just blew my mind to the point where I was so uncomfortable, being in the Nice neighborhood I was yearning to go back to the hood yearning to get to the hood because I felt comfortable, being around own people because I, didn't know the folks that were around me. That didn't look like me what they were thinking about me and you know per perfect example is I could be leaving the basketball court with me and my three buddies. Buddies in the car and all we do is have our sweats on after playing a game of ball and trying to stay warm, and we pulled over, and all four of us. All four of us fit the description, and you know I'm a I'm a young man. I know that my driver's license straight I know I. Don't have anything in the car I know I haven't done anything illegal, so I'm telling him like. Wait a minute. Hold on. We just left the. The Basketball Court and you know this because you were just there while we were there and it still well, we need to run everyone's lie, so we need to run everyone's idea. We need to check what's going on and it was just one of those I. WanNa. Stop I want to search WANNA. See what's going on, and after twenty thirty minutes of back and forth bs all of a sudden. Okay, you can go you know, and that's just that's just part of. Part of the experience even being said neighborhoods that you would expect to be more welcoming and more open to having you there, but that's not the case to the point where one of my neighbors early on in my young childhood. I think I was in going into sixth grade I was walking home from school one day, and this lady comes out and says hey, hey, you. What are you doing in this in this? This neighborhood and I said well Ma'am I. I live right there. She said No. No, you guys don't live here and at the point I'm going to sixth grade. I really don't know who guys are so i. Said Yeah I do I live right there at at the top of the hill. A matter of fact I know where you live. You live right there. I know this person this person. That's my friend. Data I live right there at the top of the hill and you've been here about three months. What do I not know and she said well. You guys aren't supposed to be in this neighborhood and then hit me that she saw good about. You guys as just my skin color, and that's when it hit me where I told my mom like hey i. don't feel comfortable being here. You got me in a nice neighborhood, but I don't WanNa. Be here. I don't want to be here because these people don't want me here. That should be a feeling that no child ever feels, and that's when I really started to know what time it was, and then obviously as you get. Get older you start to learn the interactions with the police in how you are supposed to act and what you have to do. Which is a conversation that my dad had with me saying don't ever allow someone to make a on your life, and it just made me shake because I didn't think everyone in every family had that same conversation, but to know that me as a young black man was looked at as a threat. Knowing that I'm not a guy that's going to cause a problem. It always bothered me and always made me realize that I'm actually safer in a neighborhood where I might get shot by some cry, or you know dealt with by crime than I am in a neighborhood where you feel pretty free, and that everything is going to be good to go, because you don't know about the people that don't look like you what they're thinking about you. This is Chris Carter for locked on. steelers I I it. We're the first time I've had several points in my life where I talk about instances where I was like. Wow that happening, but the first thing I can remember was right around when I was seventy nine years old that really young age, and I was going to after school daycare programs has both my parents worked late, and one of my counselors kept calling me a monkey, and you at first I was like whatever my parents taught me to tout touted to ignore bullying and bad names, but it was at one point where some of the other kids like the council only calls you. And and like that's SORTA. Click for me and I was like wait a second. Okay, please dot calling me that and she refused, she said No. You look like a monkey so I'm GONNA. Call you a month, and you don't need to complain about it and so you know that was my first brush with, but run at same time I I was beginning was getting my first ever black homeroom schoolteacher in elementary school and Mr. Annan's he recognized. I always had very degrade. I was always and there was a scholar program in our in our elementary school, our public. School program that Sorta Elevated Ju on. The different programs that let you do a little bit of higher education and got you ready for things than in taught you skill that would really help you excel in your schooling, and it also leads to other programs that help push you to get ready for high school, which also helped push prevented college, and it was sort of a pipeline that really helps you work despite all my good. I never was invited to take a test for it was allowed to try to get into it, and my parents fought for years to try and get me, and even since I was in kindergarten first grade, and it wasn't as in the fourth grade when I first had my first ever black home teacher when he noticed he like. Why is your son not? Not In these programs and my parents, you tell us because we've been telling the school. The school district for years that this child deserves to be in there with all these other kids that get to go on these special trip and do special classes and it wasn't. It wasn't until around that time when I started talking about more things that I encountered in. In my in my day to day, and then also then tell me about why wasn't in this program because I didn't understand either all my all my classmates got to go if they did. They did really well, but I didn't. I didn't get why, and then over time him push in speaking up for me. Advocating for me, allowed me to take the test. Test against the program takes the test and then more my classmates. They started getting as well but these are the kinds of things it impacts is even long before we get to the point where dolts we're. We're dealing with even behind the scenes, and sometimes it just takes an adult speaking out for someone that's able to see what's happening. Yeah for me. Similar to what cues experience up in a white neighborhood, you sort of internalized certain things where it's just like you see certain things that's normal like you would see a confederate flag stickers on the back of someone's pickup truck, and you know okay like when I'm walking down the street, going to or from the bus, stop or playing with friends like I have to cross the street to avoid that person's yard, because if I'm walking to closer yard, or if I have step in their grass or something like that, then all of a sudden that can become a situation you know you see sort of confederate flags. All around town and growing up where I wasn't in Virginia and it's one of those things where it's like. You sort of just like. Oh, I don't go for that part of town You know I don't I. Don't frequent those businesses you know there's one town over. That's majority white that like you can go there during the day and that's fine. If you have work or something like that, but if you're caught in that town. If you're seeing in that town, you know after dark or whatever the case may be, you know it's going to be a problem for you in so those are things that you. You just sort of grow up internalizing. You only realize you know much much later in life. At least did that Oh. Those are just those that's part of racism. Just sort of grow up with that as something. That's just a fact of life. You know how they say you know children's sort of accept the world as as it's told to them, as it is, or whatever the case may be, and that's just one of those things that you know as a kid just like. Oh, that's just part of. You know the way the world existed in later on. You sort of understand sort of how. Different that is and how you know a lot of people you know around the country. Don't necessarily have to deal with those things you know as a young child. For me, this is my locked on sixers. The first time I experience was in the first grade. You know I went to. It was weird I lived in all black neighborhood of my mom always sent me to like like schools in the white neighborhoods and I remember you know. We were playing in the school yard and everybody had a nickname. They were all superman like one guy was superman. The other guy was Batman the hawk. Wolverine and my nickname was super in where. And you know I didn't understand it like I'm thinking like Whoa. I got a great nickname. This guy and this and that and and I remember coming home one day, and my aunt was in town and she was like. Hey, so you like it at school and I'm like yeah, and she likes. What do they call you? And I said they call me Superman where. And It was I wo-. You know the next day my mom, my aunt, my aunt stay. You know we were at the school. And then you start notice and it was like it was weird because. It was you would see the kids in school and they speak, but then when you were seeing what their parents they wouldn't speak. And that's when you knew it was like really different, and it was one of those things where it was wild where I grew up. Because again it was there was an avenue I grew up silly, and it was Frankfurt Avenue, and on one side it was like black, and Spanish and then on the other side it was white, and I remember whenever it would get like you know a certain time at night. People were like well. You GotTa get on on your right. Right side, you know so that was it you know right then and there you thought it was the normal. It was normal, but I have to say that in the first grade when they called me like super or n were that was the first time that I really experienced I. Think for me. The first time I experienced I was around seventeen years old and I was in I college mall, and Sugarland for those of you who are not familiar with Houston area sugarland is basically the the rich side of Houston necessarily mostly all the athletes live and stuff so I, was just I. Forgot what I was there for and you know it was just like the average seventeen year old black kid have my sweats. Bad Baseball hat on turn backwards and stuff, and I love watching so they had a store. That's so like nothing but rolexes, so I into the store, and soon as I walk in there the sales person came up to me like immediately I wasn't even halfway like all the way in the store. And you know like the cell person came up to me and it was like. Can I hope you? Sir and I was like no, no, no just looking because I I love watches, and I just wanted to see. What. You know what the Nice watches look like with. The rolexes look like. They had a security guard I. was like on the other side of the star and I say no. No, no, I'm just looking. Somebody's walking around and I am a little cousin. So I was just you know window shopping and just happened to look up from the corner of my eye and I saw the security guard had moved so at first I was a little naive, but I was like okay. That's that's a little bit strange. So I walked to the other display that the head. It was Nice Watch. I forgot what it was, and I notice every time I move the security guard like watching me and then finally I told my little cousin. Jordan, who's looking at the time? I say come on, let's let's go and we just left and. Ever since I had that experience, you know and you guys any you know your watch, sitcoms and stuff and you'll see like you know black person. Go Up to open the store and have you know somebody following them and stuff? At that moment, that was no longer funny to me because I live that situation and I was just like I'm not gonNA. Do Anything I'M NOT GONNA I mean first of all. You can't steal nothing out of there, but the fact that had other people shopping, but I had so many is on me my little cousin. It just made me feel some of way in after that. That I was just like whatever you know, it's understandable, man, my my story, the for the first time that I really was able to see it and articulated a similar to Keith's. Because it, you know it was founded in the N. word in particular, and it was. It was a word that I already knew what it meant, but the time that you know I was in first. First Grade, which is sort of like key story, but I grew up in a family that I had white family members, and those family members would use the word all the time, not a way of talking about camaraderie amongst themselves, but instead of talking about people that look like me in a in a negative way. Right in referring to us and so I would always hear. Hear about like this group of that group of these we don't go over there. And that's where the live and stuff like that. And so I I was in first grade, I had a substitute teacher that straight up called me that word in the classroom, and I remember I had just remember when something does happen to. You. Remember like certain detail and I had like. A bag of chips, but instead I had a bag of small It was like Cotton Candy Ball. And that's all I was doing I was feeding my cotton Candy Bowl, and then for whatever reason the teacher decided. This was the time to refer to raw Jackson as this word and I. IT stuck with it. It hit me immediately because I had already been exposed to it so much with the you know with the the the sort of incendiary usage of it and my past that that was sort of at the moment that I realized like. Doing anything like I, don't I. Don't have to transgress transgressing anyway. I just have to be present in order to make somebody uncomfortable. Well, man, that's. That's good stuff. Stuff from all of you guys Trying to push this a little bit too, and it may seem like we're jumping, but we're not because one of my pet peeves. I'm actually going to save it for air. It takes the floor because one of my pet peeves I actually covered in that, but since we're in the middle of of all of us, trying to find answers, and we have a lot of our our. Black brothers who are with us right now and and what I mean by that is. You know this is not just about black and white. This is about right and wrong for us so things that bothers me and this people that are really really had a lotta respect for. All over twitter now. They're actually posting the shooting in the murderer rates in Chicago this weekend. It's it's so what about Chicago aspects and I'll see Ross Ross is go because he actually does. Get on your nerves because they says if. They're a group of people that think that we don't give a damn about what happens in Chicago or win. A black person kills another black person. That couldn't be far enough from the truth. We you know me being a person that is sort of around the inner city, a little bit more than some people because of my job because there's some little stuff, I do at high school recruiting. It it hurts me pays me to Mahar. So first of all. I used to go through this whole spill about. Well. When one black guy shoots another black. They go to prison. And, then when the COP shoots the Black Guy, he doesn't go to I stopped. Doing that and one of the reasons is this. When your favorite team scores a touchdown. If. The quarterback is white and the receivers black. They don't. The vied the points. When we win Olympic gold medals, they don't say well. The gold medal for the dream. Team goes to the black delegation in and the gold medal for Michael. Phelps goes to the right to our accomplishments all one. So why are problems? Everybody's problem. Why why don't we folks look to black people as if? I'm in Jacksonville Florida. I've been in Chicago twice. Right loved food. I don't know a thing about what's going on in the hood and Chicago so somebody you expect me to be able to go up like I'm just Super Negro and saw Chicago's problems. Chicago's problems are all of our. Started black thing if our accomplishment to all hours, so our problems with a black kid is killed anywhere. White people in Ponte Vedra should be upset with a white kid gets killed somewhere. When nine eleven happened, we count the bodies and see what were we didn't. It kind of pisses me off. That someone asks me as if I have some intricate knowledge of what is going on in Chicago I can't. That's US problem? That's not my problem and I'll let you guys talk about it. Tony. This is Chris Carter here. I'm so glad you brought that up. Because that is my pet, peeves well when you know this comes up every time, black people or people that that that that that our allies to bring up police brutality, someone says what about black on black crime, and they throw up these crimes crime statistics, and we're angry about it, but like you were saying the you know. What why? Why is this become thing? Why is this black on black crime? Even statistic? Statistic when no one talks about bite on white crown, when when when when one of the school shooting tapping and a white trial goes and shoots. Who is that considered white on white crime? Do we talk about white? People can't complain about other things. No, it is, it is missing rated the distraction. Goo used by people to distract us from the actual point of the conversation, which is hey, we want these people who are supposed to protect and serve as by the law could not only. Only, stop killing us, but for the criminal justice system to properly punish them and give justice to the families who lose people and the other thing is that people say well the argument. Is that well black people? They never organized around that. They don't care about Charleena. Hey well. Yes, we do. I'm sitting here in Pittsburgh this very evening just last night. A another dog shot in Williamsburg which is one of the black neighborhoods that are just out of the city, and there's a group called. Called Med dad and into Intergroup called against destruction, defending against drugs and social disorder. They're a group of black men that are in our community, and this is an organization that's across the country, and they patrol our neighborhoods as black in and we go through. These are black men. They're not super. Subaru vigilantes. They're not superheroes, but their janitors. They're they're. They're preachers, their teachers their coach, and so when they see kids on the corner. They'll try to get physical with the hey, young men. I knew you I talked to you in third grade or I appreciate. I, saw you grow up on your block. I know you don't WanNa. Be Doing this right now. And their presence has helped so many other situation. There was in be back years ago. There was a there was a statistic where people were dying on buses, and I believe this was in Minneapolis. So and there was a problem because there was violence happening there, and all managers in that city did would they sat on the buses, and they just had their presence, and they were t shirt that said. Dad and the kids that were that were they were committing violent acts. They would stop because of that, and and there's many organizations like that. They're start the violence movements all across the country. There's rallies in black neighborhoods, but the problem is with the people that say what about black on black crime. They don't care about the people that are in the situation. They use the lives of those people as political line, and is seriously insulting and fury as a black person to hear not only do you not care about the people that are dying and the police? You only care about the people that died at the hands of. And other violence in in in low income communities only to use them against the people that are trying to ask for justice for these people over here is warm, a statement of wise to these people that use those arguments that black lives don't matter to them, so that is I agree one hundred percent with you. Tony that is, that is one of my pet peeve Dah I. WANNA jump in on this one to a little bit. Bit because it'll lead me into into kind of my big thing to you know we talk you know the white on white crime question in the black on black crime, points or narrative and everything like that it's an interesting thing that always continues to come up at the most opportune time for that are trying to push particular narrative, but we never talk about what that mentality actually is back matters if people commit crimes and. And the communities in which they live. So why don't we talk then about? Why don't we talk about Housing Loan discrimination? What are we talking about redlining? Why don't we talk about Gerrymander? All those things that push our communities out to these places to where they are food deserts, where they are desperate for material that are desperate, they so i. it's just the weirdest thing where it's like okay and even trying to the. The deflect the actual issue that we should be talking about with an actual with an issue that doesn't exist when you actually do is push a narrative that actually works against you. Because here's all these other conversations that we talked about based upon what you're trying to push you and when you do that and this is kinda rolls into sort of my pet peeve for my I not you know we talk about like micro aggression. All aggression right period it's all aggression anyway and for me. One of the things that I experienced a lot. Having these conversations is the individualization of the conversation, so if I'm talking to a live person about here's why these things are important to me, which is conversation? I'm perfectly happy to have any times where it's actually a conversation and discourse on really engage in arguments. I ain't got an interest. But Having those conversations, and then somebody looks at me and says well. I'm not like that then ain't the problem. You're not the problem and then I always tell people is that if the issue was individualized between you and me, it would have been handled already right like we talked. We would have done whatever we had to to to work it out, but we need to what we're talking about. Instead when people want to individualize, internalize these things. If there's on specifically talking to a person, oh white person, that's not the case we're really talking about is the back that. Over ninety percent of policy, makers are white, one hundred percent of the people that have the highest gross income in the country are white. Hundred Eighty over eighty percent of the NFL ownership is my over ninety percent of the NFL ownership is white over you know ninety percent of the Congress and the House and Senate that you are all white it and so when we talked about that, we talked about the fact that this is a system that has. Has Been Put in place in continuously perpetuated by the people that created it that is doing exactly what it was built to do, and that is what the issue at a much bigger issue than anything. It's individualized between me and a single person that I'm talking to you, so please stop internalizing I'm saying that's all your fault. However understand where your role is either remaining complacent it remaining complicit in it or perpetuating it in your own individual way. you judging me? Real quick and say first and foremost. I mean I. Think we. Cody are the youngest of the young. You all the way everybody year young, but I think we are like the youngest of everybody in the group, and just being blown away by the conversation. We're having right now with that being said. He is the policy in country dictating when it comes to north under your history of was comfort. ME, historian if I know something I know adult would having a conversation I will take out to be. My research noted got you. What's going on and. You have conversations with a lot of people that feel and. You know all is matter. Trump's black lives matter which you know to me that I never make fit because they're all it's you're trying to push out. There is literally leaving. How one of the all go into custody history? We are try and. American to do everything that was taught. Since we were able to re book. Everything that you guys gave us legally been trying for the longest to do would choose total of the right way. go to school or the cost a business Dr Family. Do this do that and you can live. The American dream is up in the problem that I had with that for very long time is. When we global these obstacles, because they are obstacles for us, no matter how you WanNa look at it, no matter if you in. Brooklyn outside. We will go through those. Because we will our skied. And so when we go with these obstacles and things happen and we are mistreated. Well, we say business what taught us to do? What can we do this? And you're not one through it as well and just looking at how I've interested in my life in a lot of my brother friends and I can see. You gotTA brothers jammed with my own. In the. Period whenever we tried to say that this is and you guys dating. Why can't we do it? It's all some piracy is always turns for decadence always. You should. You should have been quiet A. We've done everything. She put on to do that good. At some point whenever he's faces. Would everybody in Green. Sorry brings up the point that they WANNA make. They always begin that we've tried. Everything. And at this point, we can't try anymore to do what you want us to do. We no longer able to figure that you create for us. Now, we're ready to make our own box never way to make our all lanes and live like we have to live because a purely won't. You won't get into. Shot or we're GONNA MISS OUT ON A business on Utah this is the American dream where we're not really scholarships for we'll give you. Ready for? You. Ways and talk. Entire history, but we're going to get shot because while the second floor. and. See, when I talk to people a lot of times, they continue to push that if you just do this way, or if you didn't do this way. What about this? Having a conversation? Because it's clear to me that you don't know about the history of our people in this country and a lot of time I would test them on their history, and they don't even know. I guess my biggest issue. Is Ignorance. Right, I and you know the ignorance with black lives matter black lives matter. you know this week. I've been explained a lot to people. I mean to a point where. I mean I get emotional a little bit over this because you know when when I saw. The video. And brought back so many memories, and it brings back a lot I. don't know about jaw, but you know as a as a kid growing up. You look at your situation a. you're always told that if you work hard. If you do well in school, you can always uplift yourself. But in every level that you go to like I remember the first time. I rode on Pitt's campus. I'm from Philly. I went to school at Pitt and I remember walking across the street and seeing car doors locked right lock. You know people crossing the other side, so they don't see me and you know so. Everyone always says like low key. You know what you can get. Get yourself a nice job. You can do whatever you want and you're gonNA. Make it, but you're always reminded that you're not on somebody's level that there's a unlevel playing field and I mean I remember the first time I like heck. I live where where we live at right now. I'M GONNA share this with John. This is crazy, so one day I'm coming home from a gay. And see this police officer I'm like I. Know He GonNa, stop me here, we go, so is literally right around the corner from the House. I. Have My my media badge on me. He comes up and he says where you coming from. I'm coming from the game where you going I'm going on where you live. I live right around the corner. So the guy says Oh, so you covered the game. The game is when you phone right, and I say yes on the phone. You can look at it. Oh. Let me see I. Never heard of before and so you know you look in any light Oh. Here we go, so. Show them. You know I'm like trying not to get clubbed anything, so I show them I. Show him you know my own. And he looks he's my name and he read a little bit. And then he says. So you live right around the corner and say yeah okay. You could go. So I drive. Make the right. He makes the right. And then he's right behind me and then I pull in the driveway and he keeps going and so to me. That's when people need to know that black lives matter i. mean that's just an example. Because see people look at us and they'll say you know you guys have podcast. Guys do various things. Everything is cool. No, it's not and see the thing about it is is like not only as a man, but as a black man. You have to keep your face rent. You know you have to be strong and this and that, but then there's always those one time we're not saying you don't feel less of a man, but you have. Have to put up with more stuff than anyone else in. You know why you're going through it. You know what I mean now. If it was one of those things where you say to yourself like look, do you to stop disrespecting me and you act this way then you know what the outcome is going to be, and we can look at television. You saw in buffalo when they shoved that older gentleman. They said he tripped. You saw the other stuff where where like we know. My man was choking. The guy choked him out with his knee. They say any odd form. Another reason so is one of those things. These are things on video. But. We're talking about us and it's just a cop and nobody else around, so that's why I want people to know. Like look is different now. When you say all lives, matter, of course, our lives matter, but we telling y'all is. Lives matter to and some people don't WanNa hear it, but that's just how it is. Yeah no doubt about that when it went in, excuse me winning when it goes to to ignorance, I have to say that that's where my pet peeve lies as well and it Kinda double down on what you just said, and yeah I mean. Everyone's reacting right now to what's been seen on video, but I mean and I can laugh and call myself one of the dues in the in the group, but we've been seeing video says ninety. You know what I mean. We've been seeing the videos and on top of. Of that what about all the cases that ain't been on video that we've seen been apart of heard of and so when we share our story when I share my story and our start talking to someone who doesn't look like me and I say man. This is what's going on, and this is really bad, and it's been really bad here for a long time, and then they look at me and they say I. Don't know why you're complaining so much if it's so bad, why don't you move I just laugh? Laugh at US like okay so I'm just supposed to get up and move every time. Something is bad I mean if that was the case out of move around the country, my whole life you know at some point you gotta stay in fight right and that's what we're seeing right now in the country is we're seeing folks staying and fighting and saying you know what the Hell with this I'm not gonNA. Keep on moving and keep my mouth shut and turn the other cheek. Because a lot of times I'll practice that I'll say you know what it's okay. I know how that do I know how that Dude X.? All's I know it'll be all right. That's what I say all the time. As long as as long as I know then you'll be all right because I could find a way to maintain, but the problem is eighteen year old. Me Can't find a way to maintain seventeen year old me, or any of our children can't find ways to maintain because they don't know any better they're going to. To Go to wonder what the Hell's going on, and so that's where my concern comes in the most why I say hey man. This is something that we need to. We need to get a grip on it. We need to figure out how we can turn the corner on this. Because 43-year-old Q. is going to be fine, but his sixteen seventeen year old. You're going to be fine. Fine! That's what I'm worried about. You know what I mean, and so that's when we start talking and we have these sessions and these forums, and that's why this round table we're having. Tonight is so great because I. Think we're all in the same understanding that hey man this. This is something that's been going on. This needs to be heard without someone saying well if you got it so. So bad. Why don't you just quit? Or why don't you just leave? Or why don't you just go somewhere else? You guys are over exaggerating. Just shut up and listen because this is a real problem. It's really going on. You know for me. The biggest pet peeve is when you take a look at the news. It's the narrative around someone who is Caucasian versus the African American male. I mean by that is when you have a story of a white. Male, who goes up and kill seventeen eighteen people wherever the number might be, they commit a mass murderer. The narratives surrounding them once they captured him is oh, they had mental issues. Oh, they father wasn't Arou- or you know his mother didn't show 'em. Love and they're trying to make you feel sorry for the individual for example dealing room and Hill. Would you want to try to make someone sorry for this guy who just walked up in a church? It just kill people for no apparent reason, but when you take a take a look at the situation, my era Gordon or even George Florida's what this just happened with when it's them who get killed for no apparent reason is not a sad story where you know. They lost their life another. Oh, it's you know. They had X. amount of criminal backgrounds or you know they was high on something and I. I read an talking about George. Floor had the corona virus. That's part of the reason why he died I'm looking at. At that I'm looking at that topic like what Indie hail do that has to do with what we saw video, and that that that Bernita most because I'm like you telling me if I'm a white male, not only can I go and kill people for no apparent reason. I'M GONNA get arrested easily that they probably GonNa take me to Burger King of feed me I'm live off of American. American citizen taxes, and I can be able to live my life where people are taking care of me, versus if I'm a black man, and let's say if I'm selling cigarettes on the corner like in the case of Eric Garner I could lose my life. One thing that pisses me off the most and to down is what you guys I have not seen George for video because the one. Video. They really messed me up and we was in college and John Can tell you. It's the Arrow garnered situation and when I found out that you have a guy, enjoy floor. Who was saying I can't breathe the same damn worse. The Era Garner say back in two thousand fourteen one. The Hill did that not ring a bell to you and it is frustrating, man. That's the that's the biggest one of my biggest pet. Peeve is the fact that. You look on the national news and there's a different narrative. The why guy versus the black guy I can kill seventeen people and I'm GonNa be all right, but I just got mental issues, but you know if I would run a stops on all of a sudden I have like a whole record, and I deserve to die all right well. The next topic that I'd like to bring up is the importance of black people in media and right now, and I mentioned at the top of the show that I work for ESPN central Texas and you know I'm blessed to be in that position, but it's so crazy when you look across the landscape of sports. Sports, and you look across the landscape a journalism. How much more difficult it for someone who looks like me to get into that position? You're you're right. And and being a barber. And then me going to terrestrial radio, which I was on the flagship station, the desire washable five years, the midday and they had other African Americans working there, but they were doing specialty shows and stuff like that. you carry a tremendous burden especially when kneeling happens, because what happens is now. You gotTA speak for everybody you know you have to be the one voice and that pressure never really came from management. But the person comes from your upbringing. The pressure comes from you having to make sure that you're on point. You say the right things that you don't make mistakes. I would've loved to have had another just brother on there. Who just he didn't have any agreement. He could disagree with me, but at least it would have taken some of that burden off of me to have to go, and be the correct voice for Black people I remember one day I I was talking about one subject, and I got called both a racist and an article Tom. Based on the same. Then it's I say Amen so that kind of made me feel like arrive because I was so polarizing, said the same thing. Why do call me a racist black? They were calling me Tom. You know, but for me, I think it. It goes beyond the station. In the programming. You notice just like with this black lives. Matter thing one of the things that I noticed. People that four years ago, that would have never thought to have marched. Worn a shirt, the Jaguars or black shirts the coaches. And management more shirts with players that have never done that for years ago I. Think and I'm not saying that they're not genuine because I would not. You know cast aspersions on their black that because I do think it's genuine. But I also think they believe it's Ok now and what I mean is they realize it's not gonNA hurt their bottom line as much as they thought because now being quote, unquote woke. Is actually there's actually some green pasture there for people right, and it's not gonNA. Kill him as much as they thought well. Here's a here's a thought. Shotgun the owner Jaguars? He's starting to Black News Network. I don't know the name I don't even know if I said it correctly, but does that mean all you're gonNA see black people know you might see the young version. The Scott Van Pelt on there just like you don't see all black people on I take, but you know that's all Stephen A. Right. So what's going to happen is people were realized. Wait a minute from a program at perspective. We can have this. Breakfast Club type sports station. Where is hip hop and jazz centric? And then we can have some white people onto and white people. If they WANNA work there. They can work there, too, but we don't have to look at blacks as a niche or we got one, or we need this one guy to be voice. We can actually attack it as programming. And then. They can make money off of that, too. So I think it goes beyond the individual station big happens to be with the investors I think they have to also create a platform at somebody has to create a station. That's willing and it doesn't have to come a black. There's willing to say you know what we're GonNa Start this shot done, and we're going to be diverse, and we can make money for from it, and it's not a niche. It's just the thing that everybody watches it. I think it takes the color OUTTA WANNA tag. In one quick thing, we're real real quick just about the importance of us in here right the importance of this for me and creating opportunity for us and continue to advance is so that and all the other brothers and sisters that are doing it as well. That aren't on this call, but that we carry in our hearts. I want I want my children any other by children around the country to be able to look and see somebody that looks like them in this position as opposed to them, only being able to look and see themselves in a position of being filmed, being killed by a police officer are being killed by vigilanteism. Write as often as we see those those examples on repeat i. I want them to see us on repeat as well and so. That's why I think that you know what we talk about. In terms of working three times harder working five times harder working six times hundred not pigeonhole ourselves. you know, expand into as much as we can. All of it is incredibly important because we are incredibly important as a presence in this industry. We look at the. And the time that we're going through twenty sixteen things well the whole nine. This point in my life I wanted to say that it feels different for me since be could. There's been a lot of talk. Starting. This all the time. With the tall that has been starting to. We're seeing much more action behind it now whether it's from the writing Louis whether it's is from the concert, marching and protesting and really putting pressure on local officials. Mayor Governors. Police, chief out here using the march. At least he's here we wrap is trade. He true the there was going on with Joyce Lloyd. There have been Sola action behind it that feeling the previous years. That has lack on behalf of black people in this country, especially in the on social media a COP. Hang, it'd be okay. And right now you know whether some people wanna make a trend or fad with risk being a ozone losses. Take pictures just to leave the scene. And old often of my pet peeve. Early, but we're seeing everybody that's really with the cost and to call this to put a plan in simple. We just WANNA live well being in field. This is the first time in my life that I'm able to recognize an mentioning to with the La race ride kicked off in the whole thing of on history on to people there. I mean when you say ride, never work. And retrial come convert you know. They, they they're just. Also three point eight. Times Riley can't work however for me. Because the action is there and it seems like. There's no leading for perceivable future. We have to continue to keep their action goal. You can't be like fabric. Get off the gas start. You know attacking we in a super bowl seriously, but you have to Cathedral. And nothing most thing I'm hiding just. The action behind the words, and when the actually will continue to live in the same cycle over and over. John Really you, we were all feeling brotherly love, Enter Roundtable, and you had to take it there. Oh. How? We're so. We're so well with this. But I'm GonNa nor that comment John. I do want to be on record that it was not Ross from lock on Thanksgiving. But you know for for me when we talk about, why does it differently for me? At least on a personal level like it's not different in the sense of like my anger, the death of George Floyd or Ahmad Arberg Brianna. Taylor or any of the people that have sort of died at the hands of racist police. Recently there's not any different than my anger over Eric Garner Michael Brown or for Landau. Casteel or Alton Sterling or anybody over the last six seven years, or you know going back even further than that. You know. Probably, a a week doesn't go by where I think about you know. Emmett till or or something like that to happen. You know sixty years ago, so on a personal level doesn't feel different in that way, but I think certainly on a nationwide level it's certainly does feel different, and I think one of the reasons why may feel differently? This time is because of the COVID. Nineteen is because we have sports. being cancelled and people you know is not to sit here and diminish what we do, but often times what we do talking about sports is talking by the thing that's entertainment. That's talking about a thing. That's a distraction to the. The real issues that go on in day to day life, and instead of spending our this first week of June or late May, talking about the NBA finals or the NBA playoffs or the Stanley Cup over. You know you know. who was the top rookie NFL minicamp this past week or something like that now all that is sort of white clean, and now people can be focused on this topic. And I think that's a positive thing. So when we look at sort of sports and you know, I think we all sit here certainly at some point later this summer, You know we will get the opportunity to really start to talk about sports again, but I think this moment where we've hit the pause button on sports I think allow for a much more of a groundswell sort of situation that, even though you can look at the situation that led to the the murder of George Floyd. You know no differently than the the murder of Eric Garner You know years ago. As not that different but because. The world is a different place I feel like that's led to potentially some positive change moving forward. Yes it's definitely different. It's it's way different, and it's one of those things that really blew my mind when all this really kicked off, because I kept asking that question, you know. Why is this different like I? Said Man, I remember ninety two I remember. Rodney King I remember all the videos that we've seen in all the people that have gotten off and gotten away with things I mean we saw a guy who wasn't even really a security guard. Get Away with killing trayvon. Martin I mean we saw. And it always bothers me because as a father. I keep saying that I can't protect my son. When he goes out on the street, I can protect them and teach. Preach to them all I want about. Hey, you, emmy. We look like someone who cannot afford to make a wrong move or or or jump the wrong direction or or reach for something you have to be. On your a game, you have to be as careful as possible at everything you do but I. I can't I can't just stand over in hovering over them all the time, so to see all this reaction across the country. I mean if you're looking for a silver lining. I feel like it's positive that these conversations are being had and I feel like going back to another topic that we had earlier about the fact that you know people are speaking out. That normally wouldn't speak out, and that's encouraging now again. The the conversation has. Has to continue, and the actions continue to build so this can grow, but I I'm thinking because cove in nineteen has a lot to do with it. Sports not being there. People cooped up. People politically mad at the President I. Mean there's a lot of different reasons I think that are going into the fact why this is being being talked about and being noticed and such a big I don't say big deal because it's always a big deal, but it's such a big deal worldwide right now is just. It's kind of a little. Little bit of everything it's everything is really just put together. And and people are frustrated to the point and I never thought this in guys. You can correct me if I'm wrong. I never thought we'd get to a point where people would say see. That's why cap was kneeling. That's why was nearly people agree with that? You know what I mean like cap, talking and CAP. Neal was was almost a bad word. If you say it on the radio, because all of a sudden, everyone wants to come for your head like you said. Said earlier, you're either uncle. Tom Or your or you're a racist. If you had cavs back, you're you racist? If you were you know if you didn't. If say hey I wouldn't need your knuckle uncle. Tom I mean it's so unbelievable, but right now I feel like. At least the conversation is being had, and it's being heard where a lot of times is just talk talk, talk and people shut down in and don't listen I feel like now. People are listening in that. If you could find a positive, that would be it. Houses feel different. Those of you who are after a million with Texas. In the rule of southern pride. You're familiar with vital thanks. Virus takes. Whom Conan I doubt? Street from and I pass by the time you have to go to. The court down there had a peaceful. Protests in Rally for Jewish fluid when I came out every little water student everybody that I know from. Literally said nobody wants to use it to ask me. Have and people were on the record talking about life. People inviter talking about what's going on. For the first time I say will I think change is really the spark because that might take in the history behind. Pretty Dr when it comes to like people well. Another thing that I think that that makes us different. Is You know you guys are talking about the timing and one thing that that really struck me was when I heard Attorney Carl Douglas, and he's a long time expert in talking about lethal tower, the and an by. We'll get it, but he was on ESPN radio last week talking about how the country saw man narrate his own debt. And this also coming off of the heels of Brianna Taylor and a model Arberg and When you when you hear this man, he called out for his mother. He called he he he, he begged for his life as as he died, and like like cody was saying earlier is not the first time we heard that we heard that would Eric Garner is he said I can't breathe, is he was as he as he was being brought down to the ground, and being continually talk while he was not a threat. And we see again and for years, people have been saying black lives matter I think. The organization is over seven years old now. And we saw calling cabinet. You'll take take a knee for this. People say this for years and I think this moment where people were were anyone. It doesn't matter if you if you for your whole life there. Racism wasn't an issue it. You saw that and you saw someone I think that that touched more people because we. We've seen people die on camera before we've seen it happen several times. The and a lot of people not care, but we haven't seen a man cry out like that, and I think tha that reach a lot more people, but what? What what we need not forget about the situation. The it has the attention of the world, but this is much bigger than just black lives matter. That is the best the tip of the iceberg baseline. That is the congratulations you made it to the start. It started a race here. We're we. We have so many more issues. I'M GONNA. Get to this in our in our last topic of discussion, we have so many more issues that we need to. We need to address that. Involve the safety and a black lives moving forward. I'll get into that later. Yeah I. WanNa just add something real quick. I, do feel like this is. Our modern-day Woodstock I have kids in late twenties, boys strong boys. Boys that I've had to have conversations with that. Make me nervous because. Unlike me, they had a father that had a strong daddy and I wouldn't. If they were listening to this matter of fact, I'm not I might let them here, but I might tell them to skip this par-. They're actually stronger than me when I was that age, the bigger the tougher They're more fierce, and that concerns me when I see them on instagram out late at night. because I have insomnia often call them and say you're right. We at and my thing is. I'm not worried about the block runners. I'm not worried about the dues that they don't involve themselves in their business worried about the police and I shouldn't feel that way and I know that's relatable to a lot of people here so I think it does feel different. I would hope that unlike. Some periods when I was a kid in the seventies where everybody thought we made it and started party that. We don't let our foot off the gas. This can't be something that starts and just stops because the adversary and they adversaries not white people. The adversary is the people that Wanna see divided forever because they profit off of it. Adversary won't quit. They will not quit. We need to make sure that we instill. Hope the hope is that even though it took for years that people now see their cap. Nick was right. That's the hope for black because they look for hope when they see Barack Obama and people say he wasn't born here. He's from somewhere else and his wife has similar Ku body. They call her a monkey. And Jay, Z makes it from the projects to being a billionaire. And they tell him to shut up. And they tell Lebron James was a product of a single parent household who builds the school and becomes a half a billionaire and they tell them just to shut up dribble. So you see these cases one after one where we realize we can't out dress the situation we can't. Relate this situation. We can't do any of that stuff. On those when people tell me you know what I don't really see color, no I want you to see color. Stop telling me that because my thanks. That's another one of my pet fees I. Want you to see me as black because I see you as white, but it's okay because our history is our history, if we together right the ugly history that hurt me and my ancestors. That's our stuff. We gotta own that we never owned that collectively. If have family then. I always feel like an outcast. Don't tell me that you're looking past. My skin color is if my skin color is something that I shouldn't be proud of because quite frankly I come from these thought of Martin. Luther King maker Everson. Harriet Tubman I feel like a superhero, so don't tell me you're looking past that for me. My thing is we need to give hope. Hope is when you're standing in the inner city and you cutting hair, a little ray race, thirteen and a choice to go to the streets, or like the guy on TV that is constantly ostracized by people in power. We forget the call and cabinet was a four point Oh student in college. We're not doug. And by the way them calling those kids as March in here in Jacksonville is the march tomorrow. Those kids are black lives, matter or they call them terrorists and thugs. The college students when they called us these articulate brothers on here with all of these degrees and military service, and all of this stuff that call us thugs, and they call us race Baiters, the Vermoti Jones of the world. Let me tell you something. All of us know thugs they marching. Not only eight out marching. They don't have twitter instagram. And not only that is negotiating, which they're not gonNA come ask you for nothing and when I say, you ain't talk about white people I'm going on me, too. So my thing is when you throwing that around. It's gotTa be real careful. Go to Oakland go to South East DC. Come to Jacksonville. Go to Miami. Go to Fifth Water Houston. Go to holly, Grove and all of that stuff in new. Orleans, we got some people that don't even handle twitter page they were. They worried about marching. y'All. Call US dogs, and that's the problem, too many times, law enforcement and people over thirty and look at us because we're vocal group as a threat. And we might be a threat to them. Because other people don't care, so my thing is is stop categorizing people thugs because you take, hope away from little children that want to try to differentiate which way they want to go and live, sometimes you know. Don't think the most important thing with that is. You can't sit here and say I. If he was well or you like the rest of them, or you're not like the other one, and then when we call for the lead with defining police or retraining of. Care, they were all. Like that because. You See of us on whatever you see on social media, TV whatever. way we have crew that beore killing us. Getting off scot-free and go back to the media Alchemy your policy or Don't say that. And, then we speed back to wait a minute, Rollo, you're going too far. I think now between twenty when we've seen racing. Lynch's. We've seen crosses being burned on peoples yards. You've been had to fall for very long time. In your won't say without reform MS, reformer with everybody across the entire to get his. You know the question. Does this feel different? It's it's to me. It's kind of a tricky situation because I mean look at the world right now. Basically the world is still at a standstill due to the virus that woke. Everybody is up. I'm praying that. This is different in that we can finally. You know something can really come about as some kind of change, but my only thought is six from six months from now. What's going to happen? Because six months six months from now? We're GONNA have the NFL the NBA possibly baseball and a presidential election, a big presidential election, my my. I. Don't want this for people to just go on about their life and then next thing you know who we are your later, and there's somebody else named with the Hashtag and we basically gotta start from square one I. Just hope that the people that we are seeing that are finally speaking out the ones who now understand why can they took? They need people who now understand the full meaning of black lives matter I hope that they're when they say that they're that that they understanding that now they want. WANT TO MARCH WITH US THEY WANNA fight with us that they're doing it because they're sincere about it, and not because it's the right thing to say right now, versus when everything tried to go back to normal six months from now you know is just going to be a thing of a past, and then like I say next thing you know it's going to be twenty twenty one. There's GonNa be another black African American. Male or female name has tagging. We feel like we back at square one again. Cody When I I. I mean I feel like you a little bit right? Initially I was like you know. We're GONNA three months. They're going to pass people going to go back to work and people are going to forget about George Floyd. That's that was my initial response. Everyone's asking me about it at work. They don't care. But to be honest with you now. I think is going to change when you have people all over Europe. All over your marching. And you have people in New Zealand and marching and like somebody's places where people are marching that. They all look united on television, but they had. They have their issues, too. So I think that what stuff is happening with? Joy is open it up to everyone. And I'll be honest with you. Think about it in the past. Do you think honestly ten years ago? We will be on here doing pie cast. You know like this podcast isn't just for our people. It's for everyone. People are going to say here, and they're going to listen to this, and it used to always be our problem. like yeah. Another black guy died that we ain't got nothing to do with that. That's dumb. You know what I mean I think now initially. I used to get upset because I'm like man alive. My white neighbor, calling me now, saying Hey, man I'm sorry I had a high school guy apologized to me today over something that I don't even remember right, but it's to a point where I think people are starting to see it and they're starting to realize that stuff is bad and as much. Is the president. You know is trying to be devices. I. Think People look at it. They see how he's like running over protesters. They see how people getting knocked down but I honestly. When we got the world, you have the entire world out there. Protests and I think that it is, it is gonNA create an avenue or create a platform for change but I I didn't feel that way two weeks ago, but I feel that way now. So guys for this is Chris Carter MOC on steelers. Our last topic here is just to let people know out there. If you're confused well how to help right now, this is how you can help in the cause and the fighting's going on against racism and against white supremacy, because it's bigger than just police brutality. We've been talking about the issues that we've had. Had with the police. We saw what you're floyd, but the whole point of this is that this is the baseline this foundation this we want our lives simply just matter enough so that when you see die on camera that he matters someone, but that that'd be tip of the iceberg in this conversation, because there are numerous other areas and and we can go on. Three thousand shows all different areas where black people suffer at a rate that is higher than other people in this country, and and in some cases higher than any other group of people in this country, whether it comes from how the housing discrimination justification like how Ross was touching on earlier in the show, and we look employment rate, and how even when when president trump was saying during his administration that the black unemployment rate for the lowest they are in history. He neglected and say that that was also at that time still double. Unemployment was at that time, and even now we just we. We're seeing Kobe. Nineteen unemployment rate skyrocketed this month the month the month of May from the month of April with the first time we didn't see the national unemployment rate rise when you both at the majority of American, but the one group of people that are that that is still rose for was black American that's because there's still issues of racism of disparate impact of things where you look at employment, discrimination things that you can impact every day, and this message is to. Everyone listens thinking like man. I can't I don't know how. How to stop police brutality I, don't I don't know if I could. Just finally I can't eat. Batman, finds the next time. A COP is the bad, but when you can do is when you're sitting in your office, and you see in your in your company, and you know that there's a there's a black person that's been working your company for ten years, and you know black woman's been sitting there, and she's been dedicated to her job, and there's a promotion on the line and she gets passed over for a person who's been working there for two years. It doesn't do nearly ask what. You can speak up in those moments a perfect example of how how racism is impacting every so many facets of our lives in the very coverage of the protests right now here in Pittsburgh is a perfect example at the Pittsburgh Post Gazette was a legendary newspaper in our in our city. It is covered for the worst times and the best time in brought so much insight, but right now it is changed direction. It's going in the direction. That crown black voices Alexis Johnson a black woman who? Is a journalist in our city was doing a great job covering the protests, but on twitter she let out a a sarcastic tweet where she so. pict pictures of this Berg looking like it's damaged and destroyed and trash everywhere, and she said look at what the Louis did. Oh, wait, no, that's not looters. That was Kenny Chesney concert here in Pittsburgh because every year. When Kenny Chesney comes with your from Pittsburgh, it people trash the city and it's disgusting. You caught the hundreds of thousands of dollars to clean up. On top all that what happened was the pits were. Pulled her from being able to cover the protests. And then when the Union realize is when the Union of writers at the at the Pittsburgh Post realize that they all tweeted out the exact same thing in solidarity to sing. We stand with Alexis and if you WANNA, see this for yourself. Look Hashtag I stand for RCN with elected, and you'll see all the people trying to support her, but even still the Pittsburgh Post Gazette continues to push and try to silence her. They pulled another another a black photographer Michael. Off of covering the protests, and now they're even pulling off their articles that they've written and removing their violence and the article. They. Brought their black voices to cover this black revolution. That's going on right now in our country and what people what people are trying to here in Pittsburgh? They're trying to write to the post to say. I'm going unsubscribe if you do it. Think about how you can impact people in your area with Flint Michigan and how they how communities had has had dirty water in an usable water for so long. They still don't have clean water. It takes people speaking up and it takes white people speaking in every point in in American history. We've had slavery Jim Crow. Jim Crow which will. We're still going under. Suggest you re Michelle. Michelle Alexander the new Jim Crow. Great Book, IF YOU WANNA learn more about these issues, and if it comes to housing discrimination, the Civil Rights Act never at any point in time, there's black meet. People need to do something to change the racism against them. They had they had to make it known that this is happening to us, but the the as Ross. Alluding to early much earlier in this show is the power to make decisions to make the change stands in white people in in Selma win. The protests were happening you. It didn't get national attention until white protesters started dying, and that is when it's not just. Standing up for and say hey, why people we need help if we need help in these moments well speaking out on it, as as voices voices, and how is the US and then the country and start to anymore attention so I say this to say if you WANNA. Know how you can help out. You look around your daily life. You don't have to drive. You don't have to drive to to Minneapolis to help out. You can look around. Around Your Own Neighborhood Euro community and you can see hey. This black voice isn't being herded or this person being ignored or this community isn't getting the same kind of funding that community and you can fight for them right in there end when they bring up the Arledge, you let them speak, and you stand behind him and you say I'm here to support them. You don't have to call off message. You don't have to speak for them. them let them speak for themselves, but you make sure that they get their day in court and their day to argue for, and that's how you WanNa help will help us moving forward to say we WANNA, make a better America. If you really WANNA come together, those are all different things that you can do in your own life to double down on what on what Chris said and basically sum it up real easy for me, systematic oppression. Oppression man something that's been floating around twitter. It's been floating around social media. A lot of people put in Hashtag. We've talked about multiple times. A lot of people don't even know what it means simply systematic oppression when the laws of place create unequal treatment of specific social identity, group or groups, another example of social oppression is when a specific social group is denied access to education that may hinder their lives and later life tobacco Christian, said. Systematic oppression needs to be done away with. It just needs to be done away with an everybody has to do their part black white. It doesn't matter. Everybody has got to do their part to make the playing field even. A I'm sorry can can i. go go okay quit. I think you just have to stand up for your rights like like you guys said I don't know if you guys know what happened in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and I was frustrated when I saw that I. Don't know if you guys know what happened last week in Philadelphia and choir where they had the headline of buildings matter to. Right, and you know that's my my day job working there and you know I saw that headline. And I still shake my head at. It gets frustrated well. We all took we all like basically walked out the people of Color. And we didn't go to work next thing you know the executive editor amount. It wasn't really his fault. But he had to go. You know he basically had to go, and and the thing is with is what I mean by fight. Is We have two people have to realize that you can make a difference? Before there was always the time, and we always thought like, and it's just going to be mean. Maybe I can't make a difference. Some people can conform to things. But you have to fight. You have to fight. I mean because it's not just for you is for the people. Point your community who can't fight? You know what I mean like. We look added a lot of times. We have people like you, said the thug out there marching, but see I. Look at you as your person who can speak for them. Right they do I mean. Everybody knows that there was somebody in the neighborhood that everybody was scared of, but it was something that he saw in you, and he always made sure that you. Are you know what I mean? So what you have to do is when you see people like when when you see stuff like that. You know what I thought about and what a coworker thought about we thought about. About the reason why we're all in this position that we are now because we're speaking for the people in our community, we are representing our community. We take pride when we go back to our community. Are someone say earlier like hey? Stuff happened to them elsewhere, but they wanted to go back home. They wanted to be around people. So what we do is, we have to fight for people everyone does. Does because that's the only way now I know in the last segment. I gave some by with the hope. I do believe that is going to get better, but it's not going to change overnight. That's why we have to fight. We also have to push for police reform all that because we have to get the bad cop out right now. We have to push so hard because right now people were like. Like looking and they see this stuff is wrong so right now and they're gonNA. Say Okay, let's do this, so we have to get these pop. Bad cops out. No, why? Because arches so our grandkids could go somewhere and they don't have to experience the stuff that our parents experienced the stuff that we're experiencing and kids who are in their early twenties are experiencing, so we have to continue to fight. At agree with that, and that's very eloquently saying my brother I think we have to watch where we spend our money. when people don't respect you, but respect your breath, then take your breath away from them, and that's what will happen back in the civil rights movement where Rosa Parks Transit Transportation. System. It wasn't just about sitting on a bus just to sit on. The bus is also what happened with Apartheid and a lot of people in Atlanta with the airlines and Pepsi and a lot of other companies. You have to know where you spend your money and you have to not spend your money I I'm GonNa talk it from now on I. Try to step on nobodies toes, but the target the the. The owner targets that. Hey, man! Do you think you know what I'm saying so? I'm going to start spending money David. My edit that out of there, but my thing is is. Anyone that understands the plight. Of People that are disenfranchised I'm in full support of because. It's not just about black and white I was in the military right, so my father who I met when I was thirty eight years old was in the military. His Dad was in the military, and he told me stories about his dad when he came home from World War Two how he had to hide in the woods from white people that wanted to kill him because he was trying to get voting rights for people in Alabama. I try to warn people. All the time is don't pay so much attention to laws. Pay attention to how those laws are enforced because the bill of rights, says we. Believe that all people are taught. We have truth at all. People are self evident, and all people are created equal whatever, but then on the other hand. You're not allowing people to vote, so those laws aren't worth the paper that they're written on what we have to do is we have to ensure that we governor? Whites and blacks. I make sure that everything is written and paper is actually being enforced for us because if it's not being enforced for black people. If. You're a white person and you're in a certain class. Oh, you're next. Because once they get through with all the blacks and they'll come to the poor wife, and they'll treat you the same way the things what you have to do is we have to all be together. Man and I'm encouraged by the fact that there's so many. Non Blacks marching. Always say the five best words that away. I could say when they're trying to help black person is. Now. Wait one damn minute. You know what I'm saying because. See Enough and I think with George Floyd what they said. Now, wait what? No, no, no, no! This is not going to happen. That's not who we are. I saw an old man assault. Get pushed on about a police officer. Oh man with a cane. And absolutely broke my heart, but the fact that that old gentleman probably was seventy, some odd years old, he'd probably looked at this and said. This isn't what this is who we are. This is who we are, and we have to realize that there are people out there. That are African American or black. That do realize that our message. We have to make sure we have inclusion. and Oh people to the fact that they didn't understand previously what they now understand gotta bring them all in man, and that's the only way we won't be able to fix it. Yeah I just wanted to sort of jump in and say you know it boils down to accountability in Chris. Nailed it, you know these issues go beyond pro police brutality, but as one of those things that when you look at this sort of specific issue with sort of how police behave, and not just when it comes to black people when it comes to people of all kinds, and I think one of the good positive outcomes that you've seen particularly on social media, and and one of the things that I've been trying to use my platform with re tweets and whatnot is showing you know this widespread sort of police brutality, not only directed at black people directed at the protesters you. You hear people you know uncovering stories of cops getting away with certain things, and it just boils down to accountability that you know you can't. Necessarily he'll the hatred in people's hearts, but it is one of those things where at least when it comes to these police in their actions, I think a lot of it is that they know that they can operate with without impunity and like they're not going to be punished for it. You know I saw a story about a girl from New York a couple years ago, that was pulled over, and she was raped by cops and you know when she told the authorities about it. Basically, there's I think the story said that thirty five states. Around, the country were, police can't get prosecuted for having sex with someone while they're on duty, and they can just simply say well. It was consensual even when it was not the case. It's these sorts of things these sorts of. Behaviors that police able to get away with and they know that they. Can. You know you know Derek Shelby can step on George Boys. Neck and he knows he's not going to get punished for, and and this is one of the things I think people need to really work on, and it's really about that accountability in sort of you know one of the things I'm hopeful about what this movement is I feel like we're really starting to. You know showcase. The cops need to be held accountable for their actions and need to be punished. When they commit murder, they should go to jail for murder. Not Sort of get you know off in the way that the the George. Zimmerman's the world have been able to get off and just say well. It's it's A. he said she said sort of situation. I'm a COP and so therefore. My story is going to be believed and you know we've talked. Talked about it already, but you know that's one of the the benefits. Everybody having camera phone where the video doesn't necessarily lie when those words can lie, so I think that's a big part of it and I think that's something that people need to continue to strive for which holding not only the police, but you know the city government or state governments, their national governments accountable in find ways whether it's voting whether it's You know as Tony said. Said boycotting, certain things find ways to hold these companies and these entities in these institutions accountable for their misdeeds. When you talk about the police, and this'll be real. Quick when you talk about the police that is a industry where ninety eight percent isn't good enough. Ninety five percent isn't good enough. Even though we look at ninety five percent, we'll look at a pass completion rate and say that's great. I mean that's a. that's a great day at the. The office. When you're a police officer, you can't be ninety eight percent good. You need the police force to be one hundred percent good so going back to the state of you gotta get the bad cops out of there. You gotta find a way to rest them through the system and get them out of there, so our kids and our grandkids have an opportunity and a chance. They are in a business where they have to be one hundred said. Yeah absolutely for me. Three things one. We as black folks funding our own. millionaires and billionaires by supporting black owned businesses I. Think is something. That's incredibly important. this of that Tony. Talked about in terms of knowing where we put where where the money goes You know just just the point out that when people talk about defunding police, it doesn't mean taking all of the money away from the police. It means redirecting a large amount of those funds so that instead of punishing crimes. We are proactively engaging in ways to prevent crime. So finding ways to do that so where we're. We're taking you know. Los Angeles has a three billion dollar police operations. That they just took one hundred to one hundred and fifty million dollars from less around three or so percent, but a humongous budget towards policing communities instead of putting that money toward after school programs put that money toward providing homeless people with shelter and with homes, and with abilities rehabilitation, instead of putting that towards mental health, and and advocating in favor of people getting the help that they need so those things could be sort of. Addressed in a preventative measure as opposed to funding the reactionary measure that is the police and adjusting how it is, and what types of things they sort of what they react to what they come for. If it's a mental health crisis I, don't need share showing up to my to my to my place I need somebody that's trained to deal with that, and then the last and third thing is just account. We talk a lot about accountability, but understanding and this is something that doesn't exist in our house right now that those police officers who wield weapons who wield power and have not only prescribed power, but also onto logical power that they're born with. With that they should be held to a higher standard than that of civilians right. There's a reason why the military has rules of engagement. There's a reason why the military has things like the the the uniform code of military justice right to where there is a standard and a separate lift of accountability you know if the NFL can hold its own players accountable and its own way separate from the law. Why can't our criminal justice system do the same when it comes to? The police cannot police system do that same thing. Those are three things that stick out to me that would call cash long-term change and would save a lot of lives. Thanks for listening to the lockdown podcast network, but why stop now? 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