2 times in 2 days Republicans vote against Trump
Now, it's time for the last word with Lawrence O'Donnell, good evening due to Rachel, and it's yet another day in which the government of the United States of America competes with the government of the United Kingdom for which one had a worst day, which one can sell. Yes. It has been an amazing thing to watch. Just incredible. Thank you. Right. Well tonight, we will have another episode of meet the freshman freshman member of the democratic house representatives. I Anna Presley will join us to discuss her confrontation with commerce secretary Wilbur Ross and an oversight committee hearing today and Harvard Law School professor Laurence tribe will join us on how today's vote in. The Senate will help the lawsuits against the Trump declaration of emergency to build a wall at the southern border and also discuss a new element in a possible. Obstruction of Justice case against the president. And at the end of the hour tonight, we will discuss what to expect in the transition of power when the time comes for Donald Trump to leave the White House and show you Donald Trump of all people saying that he thinks Beto aerobics hand gestures indicate that pedal. Roar just might be crazy. This. From the man with these strangest hand gestures in the history of the American presidency, but I will be joined by former Senator Heidi Heitkamp and MSNBC's joy Reid on the dramatic vote in the Senate today in which more Republican senators turned against President Trump than ever before the Republican controlled Senate dealt President Trump a stinging defeat today voting to end the president's national merges declaration at the southern border, Donald Trump and his White House staff worked hard to pressure Republicans before the vote they actually did manage to turn around one Republican Senator who very publicly had declared and put it in writing that he would vote against the president. But one was not enough. Twelve Republican senators voted against the president and helped the Democrats win the vote fifty nine to forty one. Here is a sample of Republican senators who voted against the president today. Never before has a president asked for funding. The congress is not provided. And then the president has used the national emergencies act of nineteen seventy six to spend the money anyway, they use of national emergency power to circumvent. Congress explicit decision on funding is unprecedented. No presidents ever used. What's called the national mercy's act in this way? As spending requests was designated as an emergency only only if the need or spending. Met five a five part tests. It had to be necessary. Sudden urgen unforeseen and not permanent his decision to fund a border wall through a national -mergency declaration would never pass all of this five part tests. After the vote. The president tweeted that he looked forward to vetoing the resolution. House speaker Nancy Pelosi said this is not an emergency in the congress has declared a strong bipartisan voice that the president's fearmongering doesn't make it one. It was the second time in two days that Senate Republicans voted against the president yesterday. Seven Republican senators voted with the Democrats to end US military support for Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen. And the house of representatives saw the kind of vote today. It hasn't seen in a long time on a matter involving President Trump four Republican four Republicans voted present today just presents. But no Republicans voted against a resolution in the house of representatives saying, quote, the report of special counsel Muller should be made available to the public and to congress the vote for that resolution was four hundred twenty two zero with four Republicans voting present present today. Senate democratic. Leader Chuck Schumer d- tried to bring up that same resolution in the Senate for a vote and Republican Senator Lindsey Graham objected and blocked of on that resolution today. The president was asked if his immigration policies are cruel. Are your innovation policies crew? Now, I don't think they're cruel. I think they're the opposite of cruel. They become cruel because the so ridiculous. And it hurts people it actually does the reverse of what they're supposed to. But no, they're actually meant to be the opposite. And the hurting people they're really hurting both her, and I think that we have done an incredible job. We're apprehending record numbers of people. The green you see the president wearing their today is in celebration of Saint Patrick's Day, which is celebrated early in Washington. And is of course, a celebration of the history of American immigration, particularly from Ireland NBC news Calipari has once again spent the week at the southern border reporting on Trump border policies today, he reported from one of the places on the border that does have a wall. Lawrence were here at the wall between El Paso and warez, and there's a new phenomenon here going on when you talk to aid workers, they'll tell you because the Trump administration is turning my ribs back at the ports of entry. What they're doing is. They're coming here to this spot in the fence. Why are they coming here? Well, they're coming to lie for a silent. And they can do so quite easily. Because even though I'm now standing on the Mexico side of this barrier. I'm still in America, the border is of course, the river the halfway point between that water so all migrants need to do to legally apply for silent. Get to this point and customs and border protection will pick them up and start processing them through centers. Once they're processed through their released into the city of El Paso, a city that is completely overwhelmed. You'll see a wall in most parts of our county. But yet we're still receiving record number two migrants. The status quo of processing processing these migrants leaving it up to local communities to to deal with the migrants and to help assist them after that, I think is grossly unfair. We get no state assist. Since we received no other systems for many other level of government. But I think the federal government should help communities such as passive all of this raises yet another legal question. We've been told by activists and aid workers that migrants will sometimes wait for twenty four hours on the other side of that fence because before customs and border protection is able to pick them up and process them by law customs border protection should be doing it. Immediately. The problem with that. Is there just as overwhelmed as everybody? Leading off our discussion now is former democratic Senator Heidi Heitkamp. She is now a fellow at Harvard's institute of politics. Also, joining us, joy Reid and MSNBC national correspondent and host of AM joy weekends on MSNBC. And NBC news. Correspondent is kept. Cal Perry is joining us from the southern border tonight, and Senator Heitkamp so glad to have you here because you were working in that Senate when it just last year when it was unimaginable that twelve Republicans would stand up and vote against this president of the United States. Well, you say it's against the president. I liked put it this way. It's for the constitution is for article one powers, which is absolutely critical and many of the people voted that way. We're appropriators because they don't like being told what to do. And if you if you crack this, you can't crack this again, I think you take people like Mike Lee who stood with his principles where it was Ted Cruz for eight years, or at least the six years. I was there. Ted Cruz railed against. Executive encroachment on legislative authority, and certainly was very critical of President Obama. He didn't stand with the constitution today. And I really applaud my colleagues who stood with the constitution stood with the importance of article one what knowing them as you do having worked with them their arms for for so many years. Did you have any surprises in the way? The Republicans broke today. I think Jerry Moran was interesting. I think that he's a great guy. I worked with them quite a bit because he represents a rural state, but I think he really stood on principle. Lamar Alexander not a surprise Lamar's and 'institutionalised he understands that balance of power. He's retiring Leeson and Susan. No, no surprise. But I really think there were a number of people like wicker like Moran who really in their gut believe that this was a constitutional vote a significant vote, and that the people who voted the other way while alternately regret it because just like breaking the filibuster. Just like going nuclear on judges things will change. And then all of a sudden, you're on the other side of it. We have to be for institutional norms, and certainly twelve Republicans today stood up for the constitution and the institution of the United States Senate. A jury read I was on the hill yesterday, and I had a more the one democratic Senator tell me that would sort of had Cam just said about the ones who voted against it and many of them know in their hearts that it was the right thing to do. I had democratic senators telling me many of them most of them know in their hearts, it's the right thing to do. But their hearts aren't going to let them do what Donald Trump doesn't want them to do. Right because cowardice is more powerful than what they know in their hearts. I mean, I'm glad that Senator. Heitkamp mentioned Ted the constitution cruise because what's happening here is that these senators who are voting against essentially their own power. They're not just voting against the constitution with all due respect to the Senator. They're literally voting to to diminish their own. On status and standing as constitutional officers. The constitution was written with the understanding that each branch of government that was equal would jealously guard their power for somebody like Ted Cruz to call himself a constitutional originalist. But then say go ahead and take my power. If if my body says no to the president, the president could override my body. How do they run for re election saying that I'm the guy who stood for neutering the Senate? I'm the guy who stood for diminishing the power of the body that I want to serve in it makes no sense. And I'll tell you the Cory Gardner for my hope home state of Colorado, the Denver post which shocked everyone by endorsing him thinking, he would be some sort of constitutional conservative has just withdrawn the adornment of him and said it was a mistake because obviously Cory Gardner cares. More about the second branch of cover it. Then the I enjoy you have Lamar Alexander of voting against the president. He's not running for re election in Tennessee. I guess we don't know what he would have done if he was running for reelection. And then you have Susan Collins who is run. Free election in Maine, and she voted against the president. How do you read? The Susan Collins vote says the continent trouble, Cory Gardner, and Susan gar are probably the two Republicans in the biggest trouble in terms of their re elect I see Susan Collins sort of desperately trying to figure out this sort of line that she has to walk between being Trumpy enough to prevent herself from getting primary, but also seeming like a normal Republican enough to get reelected. I don't see how either of the two of these guys get back in Susan Collins can keep trying to get back in the good graces of sort of normal, moderate cloth. Coat republicans. I'm not sure it works. I think about Pat Toomey who also seems to be trying the same thing and saying look, no, no, no, I'm still a normal conservative. The problem is this is not a conservative Republican party. It's the party of Trump. It's a personality cult, and you either get with the cult or you get out of congress co Perry you're at the border once again this week this kind of vote has no immediate effect on anything that's happening at the border. What what about life at the? Order as it relates to what's being talked about in the Senate or in Washington. It seems to be a pretty big disconnect. Yeah. Look in places like El Paso, where you had twenty five thousand family units taken into custody in the first four months of twenty nine thousand nine s compared to twelve thousand family units in all of twenty eighteen it's it's crazy to think that it's a national emergency. There is certainly a humanitarian crisis going on people here. We'll say that up front, but it's because this administration is doing unlawful things like turning migrants away at the port of entry. So you have the president of the United States saying to a hemisphere come to the ports of entry enter in the correct way. And then he turns those people away. So folks are coming to the wall they're coming to these little loophole areas where they know they have to be lit in customs and border protection is now holding these people for sometimes eight nine ten days. These are family units. These are mothers and fathers with their children. And they're being held in these processing centers that are just not equipped to hold them. So you have things like thirty people in a cage that's meant to hold fifteen. And i'm. Choosing my words carefully here because this administration is misleading people about the emergency that exists in this country. The secretary of DHS secretary Nielsen misled congress when she said that these were not cages El Paso is a safe city. Crime has not risen even though it's become a waystation for these migrants that are just trying to come Lawrence because the situation frankly in South America is is deteriorating. Very quickly. Senator I always like to have Kerry here when we're discussing anything about the border because these Washington discussions almost never have anything to do with the reality there. I want to focus in on one Republican who was apparently forced with under all the pressure to vote with the president on this is Thom Tillis North Carolina Republican, you know, served within the Senate. He wrote a Washington Post op Ed saying there is no intellectual honesty in supporting the president's position on this. That's what he wrote les month. He he said in the up end. A US Senator I cannot justify providing the executive with more ways to bypass congress. And today he changed his position on every word that he wrote in the Washington Post, and he voted with President Trump. Now. No one's force first off to vote with the president. You have to make a choice, and obviously that's a choice that the Senator from North Carolina made today, I think that he will rue the day that he did this flip flop because you know at. You know, at at some point when you say, I'm going to stand on principle, and then nothing changes. But you change your vote. That's a really hard thing to justify at home. Because one thing people, I know in this era where it seems like everything's, you know, there's so much apocryphal in politics that just doesn't pass the authentic smell test of doing the right thing and standing up for your principles. I think he would have a lot better lot better off of he had stood with his principles. But he was enforced by anyone. He made that choice of this. Very good point. I shouldn't use that word. Forced join I've seen senators pressured before, but it is not forced they do have. They're always have their right to vote their conscience vote their position, but I have never ever seen a flip flop. Like this. You get the Washington Post op Ed you put it all in writing. And then you completely flip flop and go the other way, I'm not I don't think that's ever happened in the history of the Senate. I mean extraordinary Lawrence because this was this was. Supposedly a statement of principles. But obviously principles me nothing when it comes to whether or not you are going to turn yourself into an operatic and employees of the president of the United States. That is not what a United States Senator is supposed to be you are in a Coequal branch of government. And I have to say beyond Thom Tillis, I think about these senators that are from the south west where I grew up where was Cornyn where was Martha mcsally if you were from Arizona or you're from Colorado or your from Texas, you know, that this is bogus. You know that you have to go back and face not a district. You're not in some red district in the house. You're facing a whole state where you have citizens of this country of Hispanic descent who know that you're lying who know that you are demonizing them, and you have to go back and face those people too. They can pretend they only have to face Trump voters when you get reelected, but as Senator Heitkamp knows a Senator runs in a state, you don't just run in a district. So good luck in Arizona in Texas in places like that facing those votes. Hours with ally. Were you decided to side with the president saying this was an emergency cow Perry can tell you it's not an emergency. All of our great reporters. They know it's a lie. And I think that when the these centers up for reelection. They should have to answer for that jury rude. Thank you very much for starting off tonight. Cal perry. Thank you for your input from the border. We really knew that in this conversation and Senator Heitkamp always right to have you on a night when there's been big action in the United States Senate, really appreciate you being here. And when we come back freshman congresswoman, I Anna Presley will join us after confronting Wilbur Ross and today's oversight committee hearing and Harvard law professor Laurence tribe will join us with his reaction to new information about another possible, obstruction of Justice by President Trump and today, Donald Trump criticized metal aerobics hand gestures, and he asked us to study aerobics hand gestures, which we will actually do later in this hour, and we're also going to study Donald Trump's hand gestures. And at the end of the hour. I'm going to discuss something that I've been very. Reluctant to discuss. But has now become a larger worry from some people since for some people since Michael Cohen said this. That will never be a peaceful transition of power. And then the president gave an interview yesterday in which he said something that sounded too many people like a threat if he lost the election or was impeached, and I don't wanna fan the flames of panic about this. So I've been very reluctant to discuss. But at the end of this hour, I'll tell you what I think is going to happen in the next presidential transition of power. The bipartisan vote in the Senate today to end President Trump's emergency declaration at the southern border will be used in court against the president in lawsuits that have been brought to block the president's emergency declaration Harvard law, school's constitutional law. Professor Laurence tribe is a co counsel in one of those cases, and we are fortunate once again tonight to have presser professor Laurence tribe. Join us professor tribe. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. And I want to get your reaction to what is now. Both the Senate and the house clearly voting with clear majorities to try to block the president's emergency declaration. How will that find its way into your lawsuits to block the declaration? But it certainly makes lawsuit even stronger strong to begin with because the power of the purse belongs to the president. And even in a real emergency of the kind that we faced in the Korean war when. Truman sees the steel mills he was told by the supreme court. You can't do that. When congress hasn't given you a clear green light because that involves spending money to compensate them after you have seized them in this case, congress didn't give a green light. It did pass the national emergencies AC, but that is never meant that. When the president asks congress for something and says, I urgently needed in congress says you don't but you can pretend that you have a clear green light. And if there was any ambiguity it was removed by the overwhelming bipartisan vote, the fifty nine to forty one vote in the Senate joining the house the fact that the president will veto it is not decisive. The court can still take note of these votes in that they are majority votes. And and right. And when what are you see is the timetable for these cases, well, that's a little hard to. Say I mean, we are suing in the eastern district of Texas. There are other cases and other districts of the government may slow walk them because they don't really believe there is an emergency. They may take quite a while. But it is clear that once the government files it's answer we can move to seek quite immediate relief. And we're looking forward to that. Because as judge Jackson said in another case, just the other day courts are one place where facts still matter and even though courts are differential to the president the fact that there is no emergency at the border as joy Reid so eloquently described and as we've seen as everybody knows. That fact is going to make a difference. Even if there were an emergency as I've said, the president can't take the power of the person to his own hands. But here there is no emergency. And that makes this very strong case. Against the president as usual today in Washington in Washington in the age of Trump, there's more than one important legal story. I want to turn your attention for moment to House Judiciary chairman Jerry Nadler who participated in an interview of Matthew Whitaker who was temporarily the acting director of the FBI in his public testimony, Matthew Whitaker, certainly intended to give the committee the impression that he was his work was never interfered with in any way by President Trump. But let's listen to what Jerry Nadler said today about what happened in his closed door interview. With Matthew Whitaker this week. When presented directly with an opportunity to deny that the president talked to him about the Michael Cohen investigation. He refused. He refused to deny it Ebeid. It a lot of the questions, but he refused to deny that this goes to the heart of our investigation, which would be of obstruction of Justice and abuse of power if the president was seeking to influence that investigation in which he was possibly implicated, then that's very grave abuse of power to very grave, obstruction of Justice. Your reaction to that. Professor. I think Jerry Nadler is right. The facts need to be developed Dr being developed by the judiciary committee. But if it is the case as it now appears to be that the president tried to get Whitaker when he was acting attorney general to lean on the acting head of the southern district US attorney's office and to get Trump's friend unrecorded himself. And there isn't any such thing as unrecoverable, but if he was leaning on Whittaker to try to put back one of his political allies to run the prosecution in the southern district that becomes instance of obstruction number two hundred fifty seven or two hundred and fifty eight I'm losing count. But it certainly contributes to the pattern. Spoke there and called him. The acting director of the FBI was of course, the acting attorney general right where powerful position. In fact, professor Laurence tribe. Thank you very much for joining us. Really? Appreciate you being here tonight. You just want to remind the audience the press professors most recent book, he is the co author of to end presidency the power of impeachment, and that's now in paperback. And when we come back, the last time commerce secretary Wilbur Ross, testified to congress the Republicans were in control of representatives today was a very different story for Wilbur Ross, and his story actually has changed. Freshman democratic congressman I Anna Presley delivered her share of the tough questions to Wilbur Ross today, and she will join us next and later the president told us to study that Iraq's hand gestures today. We've decided to study his instead. Mister secretary you lied to congress. You misled the American people, and you are complicit in the Trump administration's intent to suppress the growing political power of the non light population. You have already done. Great harm to them. It's it's twenty twenty and you have zero credibility, and you should in my opinion resign. That is how Donald Trump's secretary of commerce Wilbur Ross was greeted today in the house oversight committee. It was we'll barrages turn today to discover how much has changed since voters decided to give Democrats control of the house of representatives last year. When Republicans controlled the house will barrages testified there that he added a question about citizenship to the next census because the Justice department asked him to do that. We have had a request as everyone is aware. From the department of Justice to add a citizenship question to the twenty twenty senses. We are responding solely to the department of Justice's request. Since that testimony in the discovery process of a lawsuit. Emails have been revealed showing that Wilbur Ross staff had made repeated requests to the Justice department to send them a request for the change in the sentence. The census and a legal justification for that change. That lawsuit has also revealed that will we're us spoke to Steve Bannon and others in the White House about the change before receiving any communication from the Justice department. That's why you just heard congressman lacy clay telling Wilbur Ross you lied to congress in today's hearing Wilbur us discovered what it's like to go up against the freshmen in the house of representatives this time. It was Massachusetts congresswoman Ianna Presley's turn to force the commerce secretary into a corner where he was afraid to answer the question. On any of your calls with the attorney general. Did you ask the Torney general to send you a letter requesting? The addition of a citizenship question. Yes. Or no. Have said before the content of my conversations with the attorney general are confidential it may be confidential, but it's not privileged. So again, one more time. Could you disclose what was the nature of your phone, call with the attorney general if at any point you asked him to include the immigration question in the census citizenship question moves who's the same as what it gave you? Okay. After a Republican guardsmen said, the Thomas Jefferson believed there should be a question about citizenship in the census Wilbur Ross said this. A good admire of Thomas Jefferson. That's kind of thing. A cabinet secretary could say back when eighty one year old Wilbur Ross was in college. And there were no black women in the house of representatives. But now there are black women in the house of representatives and black men who know about Thomas Jefferson's treatment of Sally Hemmings. And who know exactly the way Thomas Jefferson believed, we should count human beings in this country. Mr Ross, you're aware. Also, the Thomas Jefferson believed that slaves should be counted as three fifths of person for population basis. So I'm not sure if Thomas Jefferson should be the litmus test for what we should be doing for counting census, those parents will Stacey Plaskitt of the Virgin Islands. We are joined now by one of the freshmen in the house of representatives who are changing the Trump administration is being held held accountable. Carswell Yana presently democrat from Massachusetts, a member of the oversight and reform committee. Thank you very much for joining us. Really? Appreciate having you here. Thank you for having me. So another six and a half hour hearing, a you get your shot, and you corner the secretary, and he claims he claims something that doesn't exist. He has. No right to say, none of them do that the that the communication was confidential. This administration seems to think there are there are rights that they don't have. Well, this is the day of reckoning under chairman Cummings. I mean under the previous. When the Democrats were not in the majority oversight and reform was giving this administration a pass and those days are over. You may just pause the present this hearing would never have occurred not occurred. If it's very if the Republicans were in control, so even if you'd been elected into the minority, you wouldn't have had any minutes with Wilbur Ross today. That's right. Dave reckoning, and in chairman Cummings us that it's the challenge in charge of us as members of the oversight where forum committee to be effective inefficient in pursuit of the truth. We certainly did attempt to do that today as a committee in the collective I do believe that we were stonewalled at every turn. And in fact, this was incredibly frustrating for six and a half hours when we could produce documents. And in fact, even video that showed that secretary Ross was in in contradiction with previous statements, and that's a very serious, Michael Michael Cohen perjured himself, and he's going to jail. So we don't take these these contradictions these obstructions on this stonewalling lightly by any stretch of the imagination and. During the you said, I cornered him. But during that that round of questioning he he said that my time was up, and I had to remind him that it was not that was not up to him that was up to the chair. I so I want to go to heaven on the house floor today. That's looks kind of extrordinary from held on the outside four hundred and twenty two nothing was the vote on the house floor saying that, of course, Robert mos- report should be released to congress and the public. We're you surprised that the were zero votes against that. No, I'm consider myself to be an eternal optimist here, and there are many things that we disagree on. But we collectively agree that the American people deserve to know the truth. And so that report should be made public. Again, there are indicators potentially obstruction of Justice of collusion. But we won't know if any of that is substantiated or or real until we receive this report and the American people deserve full transparency. I know when you were running in Massachusetts of gun legislation gun safety issues were important to your campaign, actually ran into you one summer day in the middle of your campaign in Massachusetts, you were behind in the polls, but you were confident you going to win and you did the ruling in the sandy hook case today. The court ruling saying that yes of the gun manufacturers can be sued for the way, they are both marketing, and and making these guns available to what turn out to be mass murderers that is a big breakthrough in this field. Absolutely. Speaking of the Massachusetts says seventh gun violence is an issue of consequence for our district and throughout the country. It is a I'm heartened inspire by the hundreds of family members that I've met who have suffered tragic loss and have become. Advocates in gun violence prevention to make sure the no other family knows that hurt in that AIG. This is the year it seems for accountability. And so I think it's an exciting precedence. We can't return those twenty-six souls, but I hope it puts these families on a pathway to peace and healing and to Justice, and it's an encouraging precedence. In the spirit of accountability. Actually when Wells Fargo was before the financial services committee. This is one of this was my line of questioning because unlike other banks, which have divested from gun manufacturers, and from the IRA a Wells Fargo continues to invest quite formidably, and we took him to task on that they should be held accountable for the contributing role that they are playing in this public health crisis and academic that has gun violence. Can you stay with us for one more question after a commercial break last year about this proposal you have about voting that Nancy Pelosi has now endorsed so we're gonna come right back with a personally right after this. I myself personally, speaking for my call 'cause I'm always been following the the boating age to sixty I think it's really important to capture kids when they're in high school when they're interested in all of this when they're learning about government to be able to vote she was talking about you. She was actually asked about your proposal to lower the voting age to sixteen. Now, you have speaker in your son. Yes, my very first amendment that I proposed for HR one we reported out of the rules committee, no easy feat. Four freshman shout out to the chairman Jim McGovern there. And and we did earn one hundred twenty six votes on the record in support of lowering the voting age and was very proud to have John Lewis enthusiastically cast a vote in the affirmative for that. And then to learn today that are speaker is supportive, and so we've advanced the debate and the conversation this is as many people we've been able to get on the record on the ish. Issue. And although we weren't able to get it included in HR one. We're going to continue to work on that. When when the voting age was lowered or use between one. I remember what it was lowered to eighteen. The argument was look if you can draft men at eighteen and send them off to be at Nantou die. They should have a right to vote. So it was a very very powerful moral argument to it. What's the argument now to push down to just say it, very appropriate that it was Senator Ted Kennedy actually proposed that so Massachusetts is still offering these sorts of amendments. And I'm proud to keep that history going, but you know, for me, the argument is that in two thousand and nineteen twenty sixteen year olds are dealing with two thousand and nineteen challenges hardships and threats, and we should show some two thousand nineteen courage this commiserate with what they're facing their leading on the existential threats to our very society gun violence prevention climate change in so many other issues, and they clearly already have a stake in this democracy. And they should also be able to cast a ballot on a personal. You are baking former congressional. Staffers. So proud because you're you're a former house staffer former Senate staffer and now you're in there asking the question. Thank you very much for the thank you. And when we come back the man in the glass house, Donald Trump ridiculed beta aerobics, hand gestures of all things an asked us to study bidding or hand gestures. We decided to study Donald Trump's hand gestures instead and that is next. Today from inside Donald Trump's glasshouse. He decided to throw this stone at Beto arrc. Act. Well, I think he's got a lot of hand movement. I've never seen so much hand movement. I said is he crazy or is that just the way he acts the flawlessly oblivious, Donald Trump, of course, ever since he started running for president people around the world have been asking is he crazy or is that just the way he acts. The president went on to ask that we study Beto aerobics hand movement. So I've never seen had movement. I watched him a little while this morning doing. I assume it was some kind of a news conference, and I've actually never seen anything quite like studying. I'm sure you'll agree. Okay. We'll studying. Single democrat running today, and I may not be able to numerate every single one of them right now. Would be far better than the current occupants of the White House. And now, let's study the man on the glass house who should never throw this stone. Hands and. I don't know what I said. I don't remember. Is he crazy? That's what most of the world wonders when they see Donald Trump, whether he's moving his hands are not also today. Donald Trump said what might be the most insulting thing ever said about Trump voters that they are violent criminals poised to commit treason. He didn't say it in exactly those words. So when we come back after this break, you be the judge of what Donald Trump meant. When listening to Donald Trump, you must never forget that he was the man who said Mexico will pay for the wall. Mexico will pay for war. Believe me. So much of what Donald Trump says is a variation on that a complete fantasy or an outright lie that he knows is untrue. And I believe that's what we're dealing with in a Breitbart interview yesterday, where the president said something that many people have now interpreted as threatening a coup of foreshadowing that he will not leave office if he is impeached or defeated in his reelection campaign. The president said I can tell you I have the support of the police the support of the military the support of the bikers for Trump. I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough until they go to a certain point. And then it would be very bad, very bad. Now, I don't actually believe that the president was threatening a coup or an armed insurrection of some kind in support of Trump as president for life. I believe that was gibberish from the man who said Mexico will pay for the wall. And I think the full context of his comments actually clarify. That he went on to say the left plays it cuter and tougher like with all the nonsense that they do in congress. So he's actually saying Nancy Pelosi is tougher than bikers for Trump, which is probably true bikers, actually, aren't what they used to be you walk in or Harley Davidson dealer tomorrow. And you're looking at prices that are the cost of a car up to forty five thousand dollars and Harley stopped being tough guy transportation decades ago. There's a lot of dentists out there now on their Harleys every weekend. So let's all relax about bikers for Trump, and let's relax about the seven hundred and fifty thousand police officers in America who Donald Trump wrongly believes all support him. They have never unwholesome their guns because of a presidential election result. And they never will they have families. They have children they have future they have comfortable retirement benefits coming to them if they put in enough years of service. In other words, there regular Americans will the reliable paycheck and their lives are pretty good. And even if the majority of them support. Trump that leaves at least three hundred thousand cops in America who do not support Donald Trump American police officers are not going to start shooting at each other over Donald Trump, and let's relax about the one point two million people in the American military. They're not going to suddenly start rolling tanks down Pennsylvania Avenue because of an election result. They are professional. They are due to full. They are not going to make war on Americans or each other for Donald Trump. Remember, even if the majority of the military support Trump that leaves hundreds of thousands of military personnel who don't support Trump. It feels ridiculous to even have to say any of this out loud. But Donald Trump has pushed the country to this place to this level of suspicion about what he wants. And I'm sure Donald Trump would like to have the police in the military and bikers for Trump take up arms. If he loses an. Election, but they won't they won't because they are better people than Donald Trump wants them to be they are not violent criminals ready to commit treason and murder for Donald Trump. There are not millions of people in America ready to grab their guns and go to war against Americans for Donald Trump. President Trump's rhetoric has given aid and comfort to hateful murderers in this country on August, twelve two thousand seventeen a white supremacist. Drove his car into a crowd of opponents of white supremacists. And deliberately murdered Heather higher. That was soul crushing for the country to witness, but it was not contagious. None of the other Trump supporting white supremacists. Who shared the feelings of that murderous driver murdered anyone else in Charlottesville on October twenty seventh twenty eighteen a heavily armed anti Semite. Who believes Donald Trump's rhetoric about an invasion on our southern border. And specifically blamed Jews for the invasion. Donald Trump said was taking over this country entered the tree of life synagogue in Pittsburgh and murdered eleven people. Donald Trump's rhetoric helped drive those murders. So he is already guilty of inciting murderous violence in America. And we will probably see more of that kind of violence in the age of Trump another synagogue, another group of protesters against white supremacy. A reporter Donald Trump calls an. Enemy of the people. We don't know. But that that is worth worrying about not the next presidential transition of power. Let's not help Donald Trump fan. His imaginary. Flames. That's tonight's last word. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSN BC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented. Era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe.