19: Space architect (!!) Leszek Orzechowski talks about moon colonies
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Okay. So this is fascinating. So what's what's it gonna take put us into space or do we want to be in space? Oh, we certainly do for of we should start by saying that. Well, now, we all know that there are some aging going on on earth. Wind comes through our climates change, Israel, and it only there's only some discussions who's responsible for or. But either way we need to be prepared. We need to create ways to well do to mitigated. Exactly. And what you when we when you think about living on noon, or on Mars, you need to create technologies that will allow you to survive in this hostile environments where you need to chill your from low pressure from as radiation. Unseen time you need these your own food you need to. Assistant sustain yourself on very small amount of water. Still those kind of acknowledges will create this well zero waste society. If we create the first base on the moon or Mars, we can very easily use those technologies to create away society here on earth. And it will buy extent will help us survive. This new time or even well repeat verse some damage was already done. So the. Correct. You heard that? So I guess the key for Kice for space architecture is zero wave. That's that's kind of like the the primary goal. Ability and zero as definitely. And. All this. What's while? Investing in space technologies is all about when you think about Trinite h in space industry, you're thinking about I dunno south lights, our communication or GPS. Those are things that we're using daily, and we cannot imagine life without it. But also, thanks to something like dick -nology. We know exactly what is happening currently our planets. So we gained some data. And if we developed this, and we go further create this. We put humans in space while we create acknowledges to to do something about this new. Union reality that we will live in. And when you're investing in space. All jeez. It is said that every single every little dollar will return to you eightfold. So it is quite lucrative. Way to invest your money. So not everyone needs to be ill Musk's that will say, okay, I will call nice Mars. But there's all the small startup that are working on putting humans on the moon only, for example, by creating ways to a to grow your own crops there. So for example, hydroponics our opponent solution that that does not require soil to to grow your own food and cutting those kinds of waste to grow your own crops could be very useful now here on earth because it is you can grow your food vertically using only ten percent of water that you're spending now on on growing your own crops. So so this this could also like that kind of idea also many problems that we are having here on earth when comes to. All food shortages, and what are sort shortages? What does a what does the environment? Look like is it a is. It are the things that you're designing are they like domes or are they underground or made out of concrete? What's the what's the general consensus on how these things are going to look? We can go. While you can go different ways. And. Well, when you watching science fiction, you you can see all the domes and again enclose biggest of volume because space under knee and create some kind of small living area or like biggest possible living area incomes due to the volume but normally. It's like these Aigner's easy way. Like, okay. We have we have this is this play. We will just put a dome there. My job is done when you're reading Akademik, you you really need to understand where are you trying to build in what our weather's the environment that you're building in. So for example, when we're talking about the moon. While moon is are always. Smaller than earth. So gravity's. Is only ninety percent of earth's gravity and its constantly exposed to Sonnen costume through the Asian. So you need to find your radiation shielding, and do do that you either bring your habitat from the is already equipped with thick radiation shielding, but it's not very cost effective. You can only bring that's that much stuff of they're using our our current launching system. So you either bring robots that will through the print your your outer shell from lunar regularly. As of this is one way to do it like just just us through the bringers Greenland center regulates using microwave on it will work very well on the moon, and it will create this thick shell. That will be your. Relation shielding and you're much right shield. Botts could also just look a little bit harder for your place to put your habitat. For example. You can find lava tubes on the moon. Giving that we have and at lower. Labs could be could have really enormous sizes on earth. They they can span like a couple of meters wide high go for hundreds of meters could be hundred meters long but on the moon. They could be kilometers wide hundreds of Flinders long. And so he could probably put an enormous CD or even a small state inside that laboratory, and you will have your relationship already there. So maybe this is the way to call nice, the moon only using in Jilin structure that we could find there also. So basically, those the things you can also probably use ice do Cratia radiation. Shielding water is a very good. Shield wouldn't comes through the -ation. But but well, but if you just get your what is from somewhere, it will just evaporates in in vacuum. So it's always a trade-off you need water. You don't want to waste it. So, but but at the same time, you, okay? So you need to find solutions that will cover as many problems us as possible. So simple you need water. That's when you have water, you either you have drinking water, you can grow your crops, but also have oxygen you have hydrogen. So you have record field. You have your atmosphere debris into breathing. And you could also use again as a relationship. And so if you invest in infrastructure to a mind water to get a water to replenish resources of water in just at another loops like normally now on. The space station. You are drinking water than astronauts are in giving back in sweat or or normally being and then it's renewed in back to the loop. But. Another loops like us this water for your fort one. We were crops or you or put it in a longer road to create shooting around the habitats, you can use the same resource in many many ways. So this is one way to think about creating space habitats. So you could make you can make a space shield you can make a shielding out of the water that you for the crops occasionally or like, I guess that's a storage method. And then I suppose there's also. Even you could even use the rocket fuel as shielding. 'cause I mean, you don't need it all the time. So if you if you put it in stasis of some sort, that's that's interesting while you have water than you can make out of generate look, and then you have your Roku. I recommend to have. And. Yeah. Okay. So when are you going up, I mean, it sounds like it sounds like you've gotten this all these together? When when do you think it's going to be fairly commonplace for us to go up like that? Very coming play. Will we heard a couple of weeks ago, Mike Benz, and he said that he would like another the next man? And the first woman that go to the moon to land near two thousand twenty fourth. And it's in the this people are to be American arrogance. Obviously. Baldwin comes more sustainable way. Like, this is only the state of the most like Cold War statement that we only need to go. There. We need to put our foot there. It was it didn't involve any kind of sustainable development, and like the more the more sustainable way. Is to create what is is to go with the plan to create a moon village, something that was proposed by European Space Agency a couple years ago, and because well in couple of years international space station. Only abandoned and Europe said that it's it's it's very it would be nice to continue this great cooperation between nations create something new something Fedor so idea or moon village emerged and they invited run to participate in this venture. And the through the years one by one older states. Join this this idea that is this this sound. Ternent moon base should become a reality. What we learn later is that probably before two thousand thirty so around two thousand twenty eight there will be all ready a space station in lunar orbit. It will be called the space gateway, and it will be like this place where you can send your supplies center. Austronautics before. Before. In the London them on the moon. So this will be place to probably gather your resources before he will on Shirley MacLaine, thirty eight you said or went winning it. It's twenty. Twenty twenty eight twenty eight. Yes. So it's not nine years. We can start building something on the moon. And so that's that's really not far away. Normally when we heard the plans to go to the moon or Mars. It was only it was always like, okay. In twenty years. We'll be there. And we heard that for fifty years already. There was it was always twenty years and now and it's nine years. So so it's really. So there's a really development in this area. We have new. Lange vehicles that are capable of well of putting enough payload. On sizzler orbit. We're developing crew. Crew capsules for deep space like NASA Orion capsule. So technology is is coming together and probably like this international mission to the moon will become a reality around two thousand thirty and creation of this first furnace lunar base could from before the long after but with this deep-space gateway insists orbit it will be also possible to assemble a Mars mission. But it will be probably something like. Nation just to lender would your flag and. Return to earth and with with moon. We're talking about something permanent. Something sustainable that will change crews in in constant like. Manner. So people will leave on the noon in two thousand thirty. This is very exciting. That's why a lot of architects are doing the research. And it's not about only about technology is also about isolation and people because people are like this weakest element of this puzzle. And what we are doing Poland. I am I'm director of lunar research station. It's unload habitat. It's a facility where we are conducting studies. On six people crew in isolation, we are closing their. So they're close in our facility for couple of weeks and psychologists are trying to tell if they're suited for for like this long isolation. This is all. Dull we are basically simulating moon the Mars mission. So if they want to go side any do where pressure sued they're going inside his? Well, nuclear hangar, in fact, where we have two hundred fifty square meters of simulated lunar surface where they get strong around end USA Rovers due to do. Some Jill Jaekle exercise in research. They go back to this agility, or they have level threes in their places to sleep that kitchen their office in their in their two thousand two twenty four seven for couple of weeks, and that gives us a lot of data how to design good space for people that will be closed in hostile environment. The on the earth for extended periods of times, and I might say that it's quite challenging to to. Find right solution. When you have really limited amount of volume in space when you're thinking about space habitats, really. This is fascinating. I'm excited about this. This is a so you think the you think we're going to be able to fix the things that we need to fix and start moving. Besides sunday. Start going to space. Right. Well, yeah. A lot of people are saying that says like why do we spend a lot of so much money on space exploration. We have a lot of problems of from my point of view. This exactly why we need to invest and spice expressions because it could help us. Resolve all problems that we have here on earth. So that's definitely it. Thanks, basic rations. We learned about our problems and by going we also learn how to fix them. And and and it covers a lot of. Out of different topics. Not only. What do you do with your water or what you do with your oxygen? What you do with your food? But also what about energy what about? Yeah. What about dealing with your wastes and one logical issues as well. Right. All people don't go crazy out there that this is wonderful. So lush I wanna I want you to tell me as soon as you start flying into space before you leave. 'cause I wanna send you send. You only space program is not the space program. Very for for the first polish astronaut what we had cosmonauts in. Yeah. But you know, I know the there's plenty, unfortunately, there's plenty of polish jokes about the fuller space program. So. Leszek? Thank you for joining us on technophobia this Bill incredible. I'm really I'm really excited. I literally nine years we're all going to sprawl going to have a little a jumping off point like a like a Stargate kind of thing right help. So. All right wonderful. I'll hold you. We're gonna we're gonna check back in nine years. Okay. Sure. This has been technophobia. I'm John digs. We'll see you next week. Checking Topi is brought to you happy fun for happy fund. 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