Falcons vs Buccaneers: Postgame podcast


Dogma Hollick year and par a happy new year to you as we are about to celebrate or are celebrating the new year nail in the sky gets uploaded. Welcome to the Hollick post game podcast. I'm your host court Woodruff, and you know, New Year's new beginnings. And we are saying goodbye to a falcon season two thousand eighteen is in the books putting this on the shelf, and now swear, and we are, you know, preparing to get to a point where we can look ahead and try to be optimistic for the future. If you know me, and you know, this podcast, you know, that's the brand here. We really do try to be optimistic and try to look for that silver lining wherever we can find it. And you know, it's just one of the difficult things about a bad season as that you can kind of get a bit dismayed in the discord. But you know, shut my friends. Let's try to look ahead to the future. And we've got plenty to talk about. In that regard. And I enjoyed the course by none other than Evan burchfield of the Hollick Evan. Thank you so much for joining us and how're you doing as we transitioned into those nineteen. Thanks for having me on again, Corey doing great hope everyone has a happy new year and starts off the year. Right. And yeah, let's talk about this Alcan's in books finale. Yes. A game that they were once down seventeen zero and one which is a very non falcon thing to happen. Usually we don't have big comebacks against teams like this. But usually what happens the other way around were up by a lot. And we end up, you know, throwing the lead in the trash can. But I think that there is a lot that you can look at the scheme and the optimist about the be able to think after a really tough season finish it on a strong note. And it didn't drop them a lot in the traff rankings. So they might miss out on you guys because they were able to win this game from where they originally were. But sometimes it's hard to control that and you have to take it. How it comes so Evan? We're a couple of things you saw on Sunday that made you feel. All the mystic for the future. I think like what you said about the comeback. It's not something where used to where usually on the other end of blowing the lead, obviously. But I mean, you pretty much Saul Matt Ryan have you know, you had a pretty good game. Yet is I ever I think I read somewhere that was the first ever quarterback reception per touchdown or whatever for the falcons or in south consistory, or whatever. So that was pretty cool to see Julio was, you know, back to his normal self like he's been doing all year. So that's pretty exciting. And then he, you know, finished off the year as the with the most reception yards this season, the whole NFL. So I mean, the offense is cranking, and you know, defenses whatever, but it was the bucks and it was the final game. And it's you know, it's hard to really put a lot of stock in anything. But it was. A good. It was a good win. And I love how it ended with Matt Bryant kicking the win the game against the team that he spent you know, decent portion of his career with. Yeah. It was good ending to the season. Even though there's no playoffs or anything. It was. It was a great send off I think into twenty nineteen. Yeah. I think those are good points. You bring up Matt Bryant. And I do wanna talk about him just for a second. He's still on contract with the team next year. He was very very reliable all season. The only missed one field goal that was a belief from like fifty seven out didn't go in or not think he made that one. There was another is another long field goal where they just he just didn't have the distance on it because of his kind of his ailment with his leg. Just couldn't really get that power on there. But you know, it breaks conversation because he is, you know, interesting the point in his career where you really begin to wonder even for a kicker, you know, when is he going to call it quits? Things were Kilby forty four. When the new season starts he turns forty four on may twenty nine. So you have to kind of I think take into consideration the fact that Bryant could decide to retire. I think he may wanna come back for another year. I think he may look at this team and go, well, yeah, we didn't get to we wanted to go. But we've got a good chance of getting back next year. They make the right moves. And but then again, it's like also there's no guarantee for him. Like there is obviously no guarantee that it becomes back. They'll be able to magically go to the Super Bowl or something like they had their chance at that. And they weren't able to do it. But he has gotten the play in the Super Bowl which in and of itself is a big deal. We don't always think about that. But you know, he got to win the championship and has been able to be a part of weeper bowl contending team. He's made a lot of big kicks in his career had really great and closing moment. Inning season. That had some troubles with the late was. Hamstring was able to get that last cake, and you know, indices on a good note. But do you think you could hang up because I'm kind of wondering right now, if that might be more possible that we're considering because he has an out every year in this contract to be able to do that. So do you think that's a distinct possibility? I mean, the only way I think that we don't know the full amount of details on his injury. I mean, he was well enough to kick the last few games. So you assume he's fine or close to it. I think as long as he wants to play he's going to play. You know, like you mentioned he only missed one field goal this year. He he had twenty attempts or one tents and he made twenty of them like it's not like he's lost a step. He had his best feel percentage this year with ninety he made ninety five point two percent. And that's kicks over twenty, you know, counting ticks over twenty attempts. He he's doing, you know, usually with kickers, you get rid of them all if they start to suck if you wanna put it bluntly like he's not he's actually like he's you know, he missed them game. So it's hard to say. He's getting better. But he definitely didn't get worse as long as health is there and he wants to play. I don't see any reason why the falcons shouldn't keep him. You know, the whole Vecchio thing. It's interesting that they kept him on the roster for the last several games once Matt Bryant returned. You know, that's you know, and then on top of that we have new we'll get a new special teams coach, I don't know how much that place into the kicking game. Probably not a lot. 'cause my Brian just keeps kicking butt. So to sum it up. I think he'll be back. I think they would have put because this this is what I I'm not saying he should retire at all. But leading up to this game. Like, I was saying he he spent a good portion of his career with the buccaneers a couple of years. And that's really where you went. Okay. You know, he spent people don't realize he spends some seasons with the job. Ryan, I think he he was with the dolphins before I think there was one or two other teams, but he spent a couple of seasons what the buccaneers. And that's where people really knew who he was. And then obviously, he's been a legend in Atlanta. I think it would have been a perfect ending to go into Tampa. Like, let's pretend that was it wouldn't you felt wow. Matt Bryant, you know, he went out how he came in just a legend, you know, one game in Tampa. You know, that's that's what you would want. But the fact that nothing was said of that game before like, oh, this might be met Brian's last game. There's been no whispers of it. If you follow his wife, Melissa Brian on Twitter. She's anytime somebody's really said anything about him retiring, or whatever she's kinda put her sense in saying, you know, like he hasn't said anything about retiring. So I don't think it's going to happen because. When you have a, you know, you could say Morten Andersen or some. But in my eyes Bryant's you know, top-five picker in NFL history just based on clutch. But he's definitely without a doubt the best kicker in falcons history, my eyes, and there would have been more to it than waking up, you know, during a weekday going to work and being like, oh, do you hear Matt Bryant retired? Like, he's not he's not gonna do that. They would give him a going out party. If that makes sense, I think he's at that. He's at that level where you're going to get that that treatment, you know, and they might even say during the regular season. Like, I don't know we three or four something. And he's starting to slow down any like, you know, I think this is my last season 'cause they're going to give him that that legend treatment, and he deserves it. I don't I don't think it's going to be oh Matt Bryant retiring, and that's it. You know, breaking news. You read it on Twitter. Matt Matt Bryant's retiring, I don't think he's gonna go out like that. Yeah. I think that there is a case that can be absolutely made that he deserves more. But you know, one thing I've learned about the falcons a lot of NFL teams that they really don't tend to get sentimental, and, you know, look at Matt Bryant's contract in the way that it set up is that he can get out of it whenever he wants to. I mean, there's really no like. The team has announced every year. He has an out every year, you know, hard penalty, you can look at the bit a little bit of money if it decided to cut him, but at the same time, his cat next year is four million dollars m my get right now is that they cut the deal to kind of get him back in the building for the season that they all kind of go much differently. Am I big question is, you know, considering the fact that he did have the health issues this year and again to hold him out for a few games? You know, it wasn't a it wasn't a loss season. So we don't really think about it as much but about if it really was kinda year we bought it was gonna be and the team was not able to find a replacement in costs them or two really close games playoff standing. If you're the team, you might think. Ooh. You know, we love that Bryant. He's been there for ten years. He's a wonderful kicker concede. At least he's a wonderful kick. Her. But at the same time, we we really are kinda curious where his health is going because he did struggle with health this year. And you know, it's not like most kickers really cannot cake fifty seven field goals. You know, fifty seven yard field goals every game the same time. It's like you had the situation where you wonder exactly the money's gonna be there for him next year. You know, I mean, there's one million dollar cap it. So I mean, they're going to say about three million they cut him. But you know, if you decide to retire that money would go, obviously, he they detain would recoup it, but a hundred curious to see what can happen. I don't I think the fact that Georgia Vecchio played so well in his absence makes it more difficult position. I think they didn't have anybody obviously bring him back. He's back, but we don't have to retire. The team's gonna wanna give Vecchio the permanent job. I mean, they have very similar career trajectories. Bryant bound. Around win the NFL and other leagues for awhile before he found that kind of home in Tampa Bay. And then he came to Atlanta, obviously, made the bulk of his career made him who he really is. So sometimes kickers take time to develop a maybe that's Vecchio is gonna head to bounce around the league, really find his footing, no pun intended. And they come to land in really be the heir apparent to Bryant. Because obviously they can't carry two kickers on the roster in a season where they're gonna wanna have everyone can have to really make that push again. So every curious this will go on not to give you too much kicker talk. But I think that's a big thing will game as you wonder exactly what's going to happen with Bryant because I think that's one of the grand mysteries of the off-season. For lesser extent. Tevin Coleman have played his last game. The falcon yesterday he said a really nice into the year. You can probably tell he really is very focused on this idea of I'm about to be a free agent teams are going wanna see that. I can go out there and be a lead running back because he wants to get paid like running back. I think he will. And I think that's going to be his last game here. I will I will say to give early prediction. I think Tevin Coleman will leave Atlanta and will pursue the some of floated around the jerk McKinnon tied contract at San Francisco gave McKinnon after he left Minnesota. They're very similar situations. Coleman's dangerous player when he is used correctly. He has value as a runner as a receiver and info teams really dum value that so I don't -magine he's going to be back and then just on hardy may have played his last game without gun. He's obviously a guy who has never really etched in that third receiver role land. He probably hoped he would dozen sixteen that was gonna be his time to do that within the emergence of Taylor. Gabriel kind of put that away for a while. I think that hardy will also leave Atlanta. I think he's gonna wanna try to find a team that will give him more to do. I think he's a valuable patient guy at he can really be a factor particularly on third down. I think he can be a guy that can be a good special teams player and be that receiver. You just kinda of his clutch factor. I think to the Atlanta never really utilize properly. I think he's a better player than Atlanta's showed. But then you'll get receiving chart and it's Julio Jones Calvin Ridley new. I mean, there's not really any room for him here to be more than what he was. And you know, the team I think it's a lot more to Russell gauge in the future Martin hall. The hot mic insists on him. Imagine he'll be back. I think hardy wound up leaving after the season. And then a big another big name victim easily. You know that? Aaron t contract with go in at the beginning of the league year. And they're going to make a decision where they're gonna release him or not or try to redo deal with him that can lessons much lessons cap it because if you're paying twelve million dollars, he's a top pass rusher. The Beasley has really kind of faded into more of a rotational guy as years of gone on. So there are some big names that may be playing their last game now Grady Jarrett may be a free agent. But at the same time imagine that deal will get done before the league year starts they really can't imagine that they would like Grady hit free agency. I think that's the deal that will get done very soon, and then get guide like Bruce serve will be free agent. I imagine he'll be back. You'll also have someone like Logan Paulsen. Who you know? I don't think will be back. But I think he's been a good player for the team. I would be happy to see him return in that guys. Like Ryan Schrader in Robert offered and Brian. Pool who kind of have people wonder whether pools the tender extended to him or he'll become a free agent or maybe they might release Schrader or release offer. You know, there's just a lot that can happen. I think with the roster. But I think, you know, the only one I felt really confident in saying that don't think ten Coleman's gonna come back. Yeah. I think you're right. And I think the main reason why too is these last couple of weeks Brian Hill has really stood out. I wish they would have given him more Terry's than they did he only had twenty attempts, but he had a hundred and fifty yards off of them into games. And you know, he finished the season, obviously, he had less attempts. But he finished the season with seven point nine per carry. I mean, that's a pretty good number even with it only being twenty twenty attempts or whatever. So, you know, I imagine it'll be Freeman ITO Smith the backup, and then he'll still probably get on the field just to give free Minna breather. And then you know, if Bryant hills your third running back based on his play towards the end of the season. I think falcons are pretty good. It just at that point. It makes really no financial sense to bring home in back. I mean, I I like him. And you know, I hope he does. Well, I think he'll probably end up on a team. Like, I don't know. Maybe the jets or the colts or something one of these teams that could use his talents. But yeah, I'm pretty sure we've seen the last. I would be shocked. I would say it's probably like a ninety percent chance that Coleman's gone. I I don't I just don't see it happen. It would really shocked me compared to all the other agents. Yeah. I think that's the best way to look at it as there's no need, and it's not the I'm sure they'd like to keep him if they find the right price. But I imagine what will happen more with what happened with Adrian clayborn. I think the falcons will say, hey, we appreciate your time. Here. We think you're great falcon, here's an offer that we have. And I think his camp would say no that's enough. We're gonna see around the league. What else we can find imagined? Another team will step up and make that deal. So I think he's been a great falcon he's been really fun to watch especially in Shanahan year to such an electric unit by I feel like now he's will be better nece. Nell swear up in San Francisco to everyone McKinnon guts, I know they gave McKinnon a contract, but you know, familiarity with Cal Shanahan in McKinnon little injury there. You know, I think he'll go somewhere in definitely be good. I think the falcons will miss him less than they miss. Like you were mentioning clayborn. I think left the bigger hole in the falcons expected where Coleman leaving. I think the falcons will be fine. I don't see that. As a big issue. Getting Freeman back as long as healthy. Yeah. I think that's the best way to see. He's he he will have a good career elsewhere. If he is used properly, I think if you want him to be a guy that just runs between the tackles every single game. You're not using improperly. You know, getting him out in space getting him involved in the passing game. Like he has certain things about him. That are really really really good. But he also has limitations. I think if you don't try to coach around those limitations, you're not gonna get the best player out of him. But we'll see where does obviously team has some decisions to make some other guys. And we may have seen some final games without can uniforms. But I think we'll have some returns like, Bruce. And I think he'll be back at think that they'll be back. Yeah. He does. He really well down the stretch in house one exact guys in in the league. And you're probably going to get him. We talked about this last week where he he's been productive even with his age. He's been productive. You could argue he's been maybe the silent darkhorse MPP on the defensive line. Just because you know, I'm a big Jack. Offered fan. So he's already wanted in. My is obviously, but grew servants, you know, he he didn't really need a learning curve when he stepped in. 'cause he hasn't been with the falcons all season the raiders cut him. And then he ended up with the falcons, and he took I I can't remember who it was he passed on. I think it was the patriots. And I don't know I wanna say like the eagles, but that's probably wrong. But he took he he went to Atlanta because he he's he took the hometown discount pretty much. He wanted to go home. And he finally is in he's used to Dan Quinn. I don't imagine. He's gonna want, you know, buco bucks to remain falcon, I think they'd get a pretty friendly deal with them. So I would be he would be the free agent where I'd be. I mean, taking Grady Jared out of the question. I would be shocked if Irvine's not back with the team. Yeah. I think that's the most likely spot for him to land. I mean, he succeeded here. He's back. I don't think he's gonna wanna. Try to find a whole nother team. And I think the team will give him a fair deal. I think there's plenty of money to bring preserving that guy. I'm not really I don't think he'll get more than five million on the open market. And I imagined the Brooks read is going to be a cap casualty. That's one early prediction making who they'll try to take some of Reed's money and give it to urban to make sure these back. So I imagine that's where that's going to go. But we'll have much more later in the season about what they'll do with these offseason moves, but you know, one last thought I'll have about the Tampa Bay game. So we get into the coaching things that have been made at I think that it showed the steam still believes in the culture in still believes in the brotherhood mentality. The Quintas put in place because if I'm being very blunt here this team had nothing to play for them to come out and have such a comeback. Like, this means that they trust our coach. And I think this team has been very open vocal about their belief in Dan Quinn that they realized amp quince belief in them. I think sometimes I get Quint peg it's. Trouble when he puts way too much faith in a guy that doesn't need to be out there. And I think that's something Quinn is gonna learn more into his career as a head coaches at. That's not always the best way to do it. But you know, I really I believe in Dan Clinton. Always will. I think he's a wonderful head coach. I think he has limitations like any head coach does than I imagined that you know there. He's made one big move. We'll talk about here in a second. I think will help him tremendously and will allow him to give some other responsibilities. Elsewhere. We really good. But yeah, I think this win is it hurts her draft standing on that crazy about that. But at the same time it gets reaffirmation that this team still believes in in in the mentality. They're not falling apart. There's no problem in the locker room that in again, if you can keep that foundation in place, you can build a Super Bowl run people. That's one of the biggest things I think people miss in. What makes a team great is? They have the bond. They have that mentality that I love the guy next Google play, formerly hard. That's not just you know, just. Coachspeak? It's not just an ideal. It's it's something that fuels all the other things that makes it stronger in Atlantic and get that more cerebral aspect in the health setback in. I think they're gonna be okay again, you can never really know what's going to happen with health knock on wood. But I, but I believe in Quinn. I think that this team believes in Quinn. I think that's why you didn't see him being laid off on black Monday is because this this organization, I think knows that he's the guy lead them. But having thoughts before we hit into the big part of our conversation with the new coaching changes. You mean on the bucks game? You're not no not a whole lot. I just like I would say before I think I think it was a good way to end the season. And it's you were saying the players, you know, we mentioned it last week. What we wanted to see in the bucks game was effort. And we definitely saw because like you were saying they were losing. And they came back in one which isn't something we're used to in Atlanta. But it happened. And it was a good way to you know, left you feeling optimistic. I think definitely. So we'll see what happens. I completely agree. There's plenty. I think to be happy with going ahead while the season was quite paltry while it was a poor year in very disappointing year. But when you had disappointing years occasionally teams will want to make transitions at the coaching level on the NFL is sincerely won't be highest turnover jobs in all of really the workforce. I mean, there's just one of those things where people they just like the rotate people to get. New voices in fresh ideas in place to try to book special seasons when Super Bowls and help develop at talent to be able to achieve those things in the falcons of made some big moves they opted to keep Angwin. That's something that I'm gonna live folks expected. What happened is something? I was hoping would happen. And seems like that is exactly what has happened. But the team has fired these occasion, it's offense coordinator Marquand men wells defensive coordinator special teams, coach Keith Armstrong. So right now the team is going to be looking for two new coaches to kinda help run things because Dan Quinn has taken over as defensive coordinator. And I think this is a big plus for the falcons because it allows them to take a guy who has been really successful as defensive coordinator he called the plays in the biggest the most successful stretch. Falcons football. I've ever seen came when Dan Quinn was calling the place because ride around the end of that November. Season. A carried into the two thousand sixteen the Super Bowl year the cured in December the playoffs and during that stretch he elevated what was really not a very good defense in the one of the league's hotter. You know defenses. It was going out there and making a lot of really great plays in the competition was always fierce. But especially in that playoff run. You look at what it is the Seahawks and the Packers they completely shut off down. And it was just incredibly, you know, rewarding to watch a defense. It really had not been the stork lever. Good in terms of their doing in sixteen. Do what they were doing. And I don't think the defense has been is good sense. I know that in seventeen they actually had a good year. But some folks will tell you those numbers were inflated that they really weren't that good that if you look at the Devi away it was more middle of leak, but I think right now our may have been like twenty second or something it was really like not high at all. But you'll get what happened this year. They lost all of their communication leadership on. Offense. It's hard to coach around that. But I've always felt this. I've said this a lot that the best person to coach the bathrooms defense was gonna be Dan Quinn. This is always how it was gonna go. They've needed to get him in place to make the play calls to make this happen ever since that sixteen year. I wish that he had just taken over the place. But I think he believed a man. Well, I think you right to they most coach, but I think that you know, he'll get an opportunity. Elsewhere. I wish him all the best. But for the Atlanta Falcons, the best person to call the plays with anklet, and I have long bought that. And I'm very happy to see that they've made that same assumption themselves and have been put him back in charge of Ryan the plays. And that creates some other, you know, obstacles will have to climb in terms of running the game time management and trying to just Quinn in doing that full-time. But at the same of the same idea, I think this is the best thing on the field team. Can do I think this is where Quinn is best. Utilized in their plenty of coaches who are able to balance calling the place and running the schematics and Bing. That Quinn show that he can do that. So I think that he's got absolutely everything he needs to succeed there. But I imagine a bring somebody else end w as a really good piece up now about them bringing a game situational coach the Rams unsung similar Jedd Fisch, Sean McVay. So we'll see what happens there. But you know, how do you feel about Quinn taking over the play? Does it excite you? Or are you more reserved? I mean where you kind of thinking on this move. Yeah. I mean, while you were talking I was thinking about what what I thought. And it it was like you were taking the words, right? From my brain his best, you know in twenty sixteen as you were mentioning when he took over south is defense was crazy like they they were great until obviously, I won't dive into it. But in the Super Bowl in the second half, you know, they had probably three of the better quarterbacks in the NFL, you know, especially at that time not looking themselves in Russell Wilson Rogers. And then Brady like they weren't looking themselves. And it was perfect. So I'm out the mystic about getting back to that. I think it was a great move. I don't see any reason why he would have needed to bring somebody else in his defense. His guys, you know, this is this is what he came to Atlanta for to give us a defense. So you know, I'm up the mystic about it. But I can't I can't really add much more than I think you said. Exactly what I was thinking. So. Yeah. That's about you know, I think the best way to go forward with it is leading Quinn do this. And I'm very excited about the potential of what this has. I think that he's gonna appropriate took a more close look looking at coaching up defensive line themselves. But I imagine he's gonna get much more hands on with his team because I think he realizes that's what's going to take for him to be able to keep his job past night p like while. I think he is a really good coach. The falcons are gonna probably hit that coaching reset button after next year. Things continue not to go well in terms of the coaching. So we'll see what happens. But I think this is the move he needed to make took cement his place over the next few years. I very much open. He finds that success there. Also, I mean, the big thing everyone's talking about where we probably need to really put some good focuses the offense coordinator move, a strategic has been like go. He was here for two years. Struggled a lot in seventeen really was kind of tumultuous. This year for him getting acclimated. Showed a lot more promise in two thousand eighteen think a lot of us probably felt like he was safe to stay here after that Washington game. But not since then they really looked well on offense until that lasts three games of the year. But I think that he lost his job in those five games when they win against a lot of these really good defenses in the offense kinda shut down. If I had to lay out my idea for y think this was the right move. I wouldn't have said this in November. But I feel confident saying this now is at strategic really struggled against good Beavis. And I think the offense just from a Jekyll and Hyde almost when they had all this talent that they really struggled. You look at that stretch where it was Cleveland, Dallas New Orleans Baltimore Green Bay. And they just didn't look like they were able to move the ball barely a know that they had struggles on the line. But there's a point where they also has a lot of other talented people that were able to make moves and they didn't use. Improperly in the coaching just was not there and you can't afford. I think to win a Super Bowl or to contend for Super Bowl every time you play good defense. You can't do anything. Like if you're just hoping every week that you don't have to play talent. It's better than you. Sometimes you just have to have you know, the coaching. That's there to meet the challenge of the day. I think that was Sarkissian big problem is that he struggled against a lot of these either blight defensive mines or these just incredible rosters that Pittsburgh game where they just blitz them every play just look like they couldn't do anything to contain it. And they had devante Freeman. I game to start struggled to use Freeman and Coleman. There's there was a very interesting statistic that kinda show that he really did know how to well us about those guys. Maybe that was more of like just kinda satirical incidence. But I think you know, what is good enough for the falcons enemy. Good Nefer somebody else. I think if this were like the bills and are Qizheng was having this kind of season, you're more forgiving because there's just not a lot of talent rookie quarterback in there. There's really not a whole lot you can do. But the falcons have way too much talent to settle for just being decent offense that can be really explosive. It's bad teams. Because a lot of those take games they're putting up thirty plus points came against really bad defense again that saints game in the Mercedes, you know, been stadium earlier in the year was the only time I think that they played a really good defense in New Orleans and put up a lot of points ended this ending Washington. But Washington faded down the stretch, it's kinda confusing. You know, I think that's the game. He was very inconsistent. And when you're that inconsistent. With such a good offense. The matter with injuries are there's to me now on you can do to justify continuing to have the keys that car. I think and I think that you know, I wish him the best really do Circasian is. I think very talented coach, I think he'll be very well when back maybe I've been to college, and you know, Tennessee's got a job opening Brown coordinator, imagine, it's Moore he may land. But I don't know. I'm very curious to see where he'll go a wish him all the best. But at the same time, I think that this is the right move to the falcons right now to part ways. Yeah. I think you're right. And you know, it wasn't consistent because you know, they finished twenty seventh in total rushing yards. But then they finished fourth in total passing yards. You know? I it. There's no, you know, average there. It's just kinda like you're you're heavy passing. But you're struggling with the run. And you know, it's it's pretty much been like that for two seasons. You know, it's weird. You know, I hate to see that Ryan have to get another offense coordinator seems like it's like a something happens every two years. He's getting a new offense coordinator. But one thing I wanna say to is if you're kind of on the fence about it, you know, obviously, they talked to Matt Ryan they had. I mean, you gotta hope I'm pretty much assuming they did. Because I don't think you get rid of his offense coordinator without actually getting his opinion. And I'm sure he's used to it by now. Where whoever you know, there's been reports of Darrow Bevill or maybe kubiak or maybe they're cutter coming back, and that's somebody who met Ryan's familiar with. But they all talked to him. And maybe he was on the fence about it. I don't know what they said. But I'm often mystic about what they bring in. But you know, he he was it's hard to judge. If he was actually that good. Like if he was good if he was just average or what? Because like you were saying it's like trying to think of a good metaphor. It'd be like putting me behind the wheel of a NASCAR race car or something. It's like, yeah. I can go really fast because that's what the car does. But does that make the actual good racecar driver? You know? It's like get us on go karts, and that's one thing. But you put me in a net a NASCAR vehicle, and obviously I'm going to go fast. So it's kinda hard to judge if he had this production with like, you said the bills or something, obviously that means he's. Good. But anybody who's got Matt Ryan who's who had a nother season basically another MVP season, but because of people like Patrick Mahomes, and obviously the balconies record. He's not going to get that much credit for it. But he had another MVP type season. Julio led the league and receiving yards. Yeah. Rush. The running back game was not good at all. But the offense worked if still finished in the top ten in overall yardage. But you know, I wish in the best lot of fans where sitting there beating the drums for fire Sark. I was just kinda like whatever, you know, doesn't really matter. What I think he's probably gone and sure enough he has gone, and hopefully, they bring in somebody because I think if you know, there's another failure. If you I guess you fired offense coordinator, so it's going to be a failure. But if there's another failure offense coordinator, it's gonna be hard to see in Quin stick around. And I think Dan Quinn, like, I'm very anti-fire. Dan. Quinn. I EV we've been spoiled with the success we've had even with this season. But it was pretty much injuries. But you know, I wish the best form, and he'll probably go to college. Like you said. And hopefully, you know, maybe he'll find his way back in the NFL. But I think this was good learning experience for him personally, and which the best, and you know, we'll see what happens 'cause it sounds like Atlanta's starting interviews at least with Bevill next week. So I guess within you know, sometime within the first two weeks of January. We might have our offense coordinator, we have our defensive coordinator as you said with the Quin now, I have no idea what special teams is gonna look like if you wanna talk about that because Armstrong's with since I can remember. So it'll be interesting to see what you know is brought in there. I don't know, man. It's it's very interesting because I think when you look at Armstrong the us here pretend eleven seasons the very long time to have one job in the NFL. I think it's like had with Mike McCartney Artie in Green Bay guys just in a position for so long. You get kinda stale. Sometimes it's just good for a career to just find new opportunity and go somewhere new in trying to work with new guys able to take some of the things that you really are good at and put them to use. And I imagine what he'll do he'll find a job. He's going to be a coordinator somewhere else in the league on special teams ino- short order. But I think right now for him is just gonna be a matter of finding that right up to and he was very good here for many many years. But I think that he just kind of got to a point where he just needs to change of scenery in needs to find the new place where he can go and be able to find success. So you wish more the best. Yeah. We'll see. What happens? I'm very curious to see exactly where they'll go with the spot, and I wish. Could make a list of candidates, but I'm not really familiar with the rise in rising talents of the special teams world. But yeah, I'm very curious to see how this goes. But you talked about the coordinator potentials of like, we need to touch, you know, touch the stove on this to the feel the heat or the conversations going kubiak is the favourite gear kubiak former Bronco's head coach Texans head coach former Bronco's conference a coordinator, he's been a part of four Super Bowl winning teams. A very smart mind guy who allot of people feel is one of the better offense coordinator candidates out right now a guy that runs the Shanahan system in those at well, his great success with it feels like that's the obvious guy. But I think the only thing about two things. One would be Elway. John Elway in that way. Probably trying to convince him to stay in Denver up into coordinator, whoever coach in staff have come in after they've been Joseph or I think could be more lie. Likely is the falcons wanting to go the guy that they are familiar with. And I think that's what may give Bebel a Dera bubble the heads up because he inquisitive worked together before in Quin of kubiak have not. So I think that if they wanna go guy who they really feel like will they can have a reporter with the devil may be more likely. But I think if you're just going accomplishment that there's no question that geared Kubeck is the better die. I this is who I want them to hire really pulling for this. I feel like it's the best move of the team at he and Ryan will hit it off pretty fast. I think he is a very veteran coach very season that will have any issue transitioning in the making Ryan even better quarterback than he is now. But at the same time, you can't really put a whole lot of stock into saying it's done deal or anything, obviously. Because he does have the strong ties to the Broncos organization where he still works in the front office. And you know, Elway once the team back on track. He knows the best of the coordinators. Gonna be the guy in the building. So I'm very skeptical that this will end up happening. But in report has been very adamant to say that he is a candidate and his guy that they are going to consider. So I will hope that's where it goes. And you know, Darryl level obviously, Seattle he made a very bad mistake in the Super Bowl Seattle may be rang that play reworked, but at the same time he also was the coordinator that won the Super Bowl and kind of helped couple Dan Quinn thousand thirteen to help get them at rings. So I don't know I feel like he's he's very accomplished coordinator in south east found a lot of success working with the quarterbacks. Ryan, I think he would be a good higher and has that working relationship with Quinn? But I think right now a big thing we have to look at is, you know, trying to figure out exactly, but they're gonna do with that spot. Yeah. I think you're right. And I'll make a quick reason. Like, I guess a pro and con for each one. And why I think it could or couldn't happen. So I with back, and I'd like to get your opinion on it too. With kubiak. You already said, okay. The con is the reason why it might not happen in probably won't is. Because Elway okay. I think the pro is he's such a veteran in calling offenses, it might be too. Tempting for him. I mean, okay. You can stay in Denver. Where key case keenum's your quarterback. Philip Lindsay is good. But he's a rookie so undrafted rookie. You know, we don't know much any got injured. We don't know much about what he'll do when you're too manual Sanders. Got injured there's not a whole lot on the offense to be excited about they lost their like, I think the one in two tight ends on their team to. But hey, kubiak look. Over at the falcons, we got who we got a legendary wide receiver Julio Jones. We have the greatest quarterback in consistory. Matt Ryan, devante Freeman who should be back healthy. You know, you gotta think that might be pretty tempting a Pro Bowl caliber center in Alex Mack. You know, he I think he could have more fun with it. It's almost like, you know, your friends saying, hey, come no fence of people who have like a Toyota Camry or something. But it's like, hey wanna come drive the Toyota Camry or do you wanna go drive? The for Ari like it might be pretty tempting to with cutter. I think it'll be how much input as Matt Ryan have because I think he enjoyed having cutter. I don't know that specifically. But I'm just saying the fact that he's even mentioned as a fame, you know, there's been multiple sources or whatever online saying that cutters favorite one saying that. Kubiak like a favorite of seems like a favorite of the consensus. I guess, but it seems like cutter is like will Matt Ryan will want him there the away from it. They he's been there before maybe they don't wanna back. I don't know you'd have to ask like Arthur blank or something. So I mean, what what what's your what's your opinion on that? 'cause I mean like with several I think he's to me if I was betting, and I'm not a betting, man. But if I was I would say, it's probably bevelled because it seems like they Quinn loves to get people. He's familiar with people in that peak aero bubble. I guess you could say they're like, you know, I don't know how friendly they are with each other. But they've you know, they they're familiar with each other. And it seems like the more likely, and he's also been a different source saying he's the he's the favourite for the job. So you know, it sounds like cutter and Bev lower both favorites for the job while everyone's hoping. It's biak. But the reason I think it might not be Bevill is maybe he'll get a job somewhere else. You know, or maybe they're just touching base. But they did say he was there for training camp. So you know, I feel like he's probably the lead dog between the three. But what do you think? I'm curious exactly what they wanna do. And I think that familiarity is going to be a huge thing because I feel like they are very very aware. And Matt Ryan and very adamant to say, look it bring it rests art. That's fine. If you gotta bring in a guy that I can work with which I think prevents them from going out and getting like, you know, on a younger hot up into coordinators kinda get thrown around. Actually, they do a good job. At marrano mcginnis Ranjha learning entire new offense that might work it might not work. I mean, really gonna have to do all this all over again. I'm comfortable with where I am you seen the numbers? I'm putting up in this game. Why can't we just keep we've got and his find somebody who's better able to utilize it then I feel like, you know, the guy that is best able to do that would probably be kubiak. But at same time, it's just like can you get kubiak here or will Quin wanna work with kubiak as opposed to someone already knows or maybe better feels be the goodness game. But even though I XE the clear advantage guide really come into being run at scheme. And I imagine that they can do that keep shout for another year who can help him transition in the working with kubiak. I feel like they've worked together a lot of Houston. So it's like you feel like it's just such a perfect fit. But at the same time perfect perfection usually doesn't settle in with any NFL teams. It's hard to get all of the all of the things that you want to happen. Lineup magically. So I feel like right now there is a very tough conversation. But the team to have about you know, what they're gonna do here. And I imagine what have a couple of other candidates come open on exactly know who they'll be. But you know, I think you'll have other guys that will be interested in this job that they're gonna wanna take their time to interview the right person. But I d- lead, you know, who would know said that hey, this search Mako kinda fast. Maybe they wanna get the same settled. Now in go ahead and get started for nineteen. They get him in the Bill. They can talk about breakdown the film that happens here, you know, at the same time, they hire a guy like a cutter or you know, a babble. They may have other guys on the positional side. They wanna bring in the you'll have new coaches hired a new guys like, oh, this is a very big a huge decision, and we know three candidates right now between kubiak level cutter. Again, don't don't look past cutter because he has worked with Ryan. But three seasons I could see very easily. Ryan saying bring back dark men dirt work really well together, and I did well under him. And I know that even though we might have to change the scheme round a little bit. I know I'm gonna have to relearn everything and can take what I've learned in the Shanahan offense and put that into that to a better quarterback than when we last brand it. So we almost went to Super Bowl cutter as a coordinator. Lest we forget in two thousand twelve you know, they were claps away. Unfortunately from wanna play the ravens. So I think that all of these guys would bring good things to the table. I think it landed will get the guy that they need for this job. I you know, I feel like in our heads. We have a vision of what we want. But I think he just contrast the team to make the decision that they think is best for them at the same time. They didn't do that in two thousand seventeen with sorry. I don't think that they made the best higher than it was late in the coaching cycle. But at the same time, it's like you could have gotten someone better or could have maybe kept someone from Shannon staff. It's a difficult thing to really really look back on. But. Same time bay. No, they've gotta find the right guy. This coaching staff is dependent in this era of football is dependent on this higher going. Well, this is a major major decision. And again, I think that it's very, you know, fine to want to get this done quickly. But I hope that they take their time enough and get enough interviews in and don't just hire their first idea because I feel like they need to have those ideas challenge and really get a good, you know, group of folks in to do the interviewing so we'll see how it goes. We might know whether next time we do a podcast who the offense coordinator is. And we talk about that, of course. But right now kubiak cutter ambition or the three guys to keep your eye on all would be available for the position if it came to them, and they were able to accept it. So you know, an will follow the special teams searches. Well, again, I imagine the probably promotes on defense or put a higher leadership position in there. The kind of help can be a steward to help. Dan quinn. Kind of be like a. Code even coordinator in terms of you know, helping something other duties there on the who that would be. I'd say watch Jeff over. I think that's a guy who they really value them promoting him just enough. But at the same time remorse as experience on defense. He's in the head coach may be that they will put him back in more of a defensive role. I'm not sure, but they've got a lot of good guys in house that could help Quinn kind of lead that effort. So we'll see how it goes. I'm I'm excited to see where they go with these moves, I have my ideas of what to do. But maybe they have different ones. And I'm willing to see where the what those are. So I think that gets us. That's the conversation. That's going on around the old falcons campfire right now, you know, coordinator change is gonna look like and the big ones. So you know, all out Hollick see where we're going with it. We got a coaching tracker lots of up to the minute stories about what the big news is. And you know, where that's all. Going. So be sure to you know, keep your ground and follow along. But I think that will wrap us up this episode of the colleagues post game podcast with pre shit. You listening to a bit of a longer addition since we've got locked talk about. No Evan please tell everybody where they can find you in that which working on. Yeah. Preachy you have me on again been a great season. And we'll see what off season brings by the time. You're listening to this. You might actually know who often coordinator is I don't know. But you can find me on Twitter at Edinburgh 'field. And also, I run the Falco hall IX Instagram account, and you can follow that at the. It's the falcons like between the and the Falco hall IX underscore, so yeah, that's pretty much it. Well, Evan Peggy so much for coming on. 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