Could new, unsealed documents push Congress to impeach Trump?
So the president now only knew about the payments he knew and help to hide the payments in the reimbursements to you we discussed everything had to go through Mr Trump and had to be approved by Mr Trump and now you're going to prison and he said and I'm going to prison yes Ma'am to those who support the president and his red and his rhetoric as I once did I pray the country doesn't make the same mistakes that I have made what pay the heavy price that my family and I are paying good morning and welcome to am joy well. We've got a lot to get to today including the latest on Donald Trump's reelection strategy of stoking white resentment international reaction to his racist attacks on four congresswoman of color and the latest just reporting on how his team tried to bail him out amid the growing fallout but I you haven't seen much of the guy that you just heard from Michael Cohen lately because well he's in prison but back in February Donald Trump's longtime attorney a. and fix or gave that explosive testimony before Congress mincing no words calling trump a con man a racist and a cheat and pulling back the curtain on trump world to reveal a vast operation of lies and crimes including including then then candidate trump directing hush money plan during the two thousand sixteen election for stormy Daniels a pornographic film actress who alleged affair with trump this week the department of Justice closed its investigation involving all the trump and these payments with federal judge in Manhattan ordering the release of some investigative documents and those documents have offered new details of trump's involvement in the case the most explosive details offer more confirmation that trump knew about the hush money payments and was personally involved something he has actively denied the documents detail that trump was in close communication with Cohen while the illegal money scheme was being arranged they he also revealed that hope Hicks trump loyalist and his former communications aide had a more substantial role in bringing in buying stormy Daniels silence taking part in a flurry of calls in the days leading up to the payments to Daniels with Cohen Trump stormies stormies attorney and to American media executives trump's involvement is no longer in question as these newly unsealed documents show for the very first time but so far he has faced no real consequences quences Michael Cohen the man who covered up the crime is now in federal prison for breaking campaign finance laws on Thursday. He reiterated from prison quote. I and members of the trump organization were directed by Mr Trump to handle the stormy daniels matter including making the hush money payment the other major characters hope Hicks who is walking around free despite these new court documents suggesting that she lied to Congress Congress about the cover up while the third and Most Important Unindicted Co conspirator in this crime is sitting in the White House or today. Maybe at a golf course while you are paying the bill and let's be clear Donald Trump's current the primary address being sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue is probably the only reason that he's not facing indictment joining me now is Timothy O'Brien of Bloomberg Opinion Maya Wiley Senior Vice President for social justice at the new school and Jill wine banks former Assistant Watergate special prosecutor and I'm going to start with you because if somebody told someone else to rob a bank it's go and get me a thousand dollars from the bank and the person robbed the bank and that person was arrested in jail typically the person who ordered the crime or asked them to do it. Would they not be indicted so is donald trump literally only free of being indicted with Michael Cohen because he's president. Yes is a simple answer. A conspiracy makes everybody. That's part of the conspiracy responsible for whatever crime is committed. If you rob a bank with someone who has a gun and that person kill someone you're responsible for the murder justice much as for the robbery and the only reason that a person wouldn't be indicted in those circumstances is if the office of Legal Counsel at the Department of Justice said you cannot indict and this is just so much like Watergate Watergate because it's not fair when the main actors in an event are free like the president but the people who carried out his policies and orders and did the crimes go the jail that isn't fair the American people should be upset about the fact that the president gets away with doing things and Michael Cohen goes to jail in the same way that Haldeman and Ehrlichman and John Mitchell the attorney general went to jail in Watergate and stay with you for a moment because it was during Watergate it was it was after Watergate this I issue I came up about whether or not the president and <hes> could himself face indictment in nineteen seventy-three just a quick thing here from Reuters in nineteen seventy three in the midst of the Watergate scandal engulfing President Richard Nixon the Justice Department's Office of Legal Council adopted in an internal memo that position that a sitting president canopy indicted the department reaffirmed the policy in two in a two thousand memo saying court decisions in the intervening years had not I changed its conclusion that a sitting president is constitutionally immune from indictment and criminal prosecution. The nineteen seventy-three in two thousand memos are binding on Justice Department employees including Muller according to many legal experts. Do you agree with that Yeah Joe Weider Bang fit those memos even though they are not laws are binding on the Department of Justice well. Yes I agree. They are binding on the Department of Justice but I think they are only binding so long as no one is willing to challenge them and this willing to change them because I believe they are legally and constitutionally invalid. They are not correct. I didn't think they were correct. In nineteen seventy-three I argued that the President Nixon should be indicted for his clear her involvement in the Watergate case and I argued that twice once while he was sitting president and then after he was pardoned I argued again that he should be indited. We failed to persuade Leandra Warsi to take that action but we were at least able to name him. An Unindicted Co conspirator and the evidence against him is what led to his forced resignation so at least there was some consequences to Richard Nixon for his crimes times. I hope that there will be but in this era of the multiplication of media and the fake news at Fox where people do not believe what is written in plain paper. If you look at the mall report it says we did not not exonerate the president and yet we are behind in terms of the the people who watch Fox News actually believe that he was exonerated they believe the narrative created by the president and bar and I think what people don't understand is that the difference here between civil and and legal consequences for a sitting president because I'm old enough to remember that Bill Clinton was allowed to be sued civilly while he it was president and it's always the argument for not indicting president is that it would interfere with his duties as President President Clinton was still acting as president and was still still actively doing that while he was being sued <hes> and and and just to be very quick in one thousand nine hundred seventy supreme court ruled nine to zero and rejected the Clinton administration's argument to put off the sexual harassment lawsuit against him by Paula Jones ruling for the first time that a sitting president can be sued for actions outside the scope culpa this official duties Supreme Court today decisively rejected President Clinton's request to delay proceedings in a sexual harassment suit brought by a former Arkansas state employee Paula Jones and that was in nineteen ninety-seven so can you explain this disconnect as to why a president could be allowed to be sued especially to like this which brought out all sorts of sort of gross personal details about his life made a very serious accusation one that now has been made also against the current president. So why can you eat a president be sued but not indicted well not that I want to be sitting in the position of defending the office of Legal Counsel memo because I'm with Jill on this one but I think there is a difference that we should acknowledge which is the consequences of losing a civil case are very very different from the consequences of being indicted <hes> and ended up in prison. If you're sitting president so in one case you pay money in another case <hes> you're literally potentially ending up in in prison and so you know essentially if you look at what the argument is that the constitution creates the power in Congress to determine whether or not a sitting president duly elected should be removed from office and that it shouldn't be in the hands of prosecutors on the theory that you could potentially politicize an office. It's supposed to be politically neutral if say some prosecutors just want to go after the president because they don't like the president and so I'm not that's that's an oversimplification of what the legal arguments are but but it is the difference in consequence and the fact that there is a mechanism in the constitution. I think part of what's so troubling for us today is we are not seeing that constitutional additional mechanism working and I think that's part of the tension that we're confronting and that's that's frankly a new one for us as we saw with Nixon at least we had even Republicans members of his own party willing take up the inquiry willing to look at whether or not there were serious allegations that required consideration of removing him from office. Let's play <hes>. This is <hes> Anderson Cooper who actually had an interview with Jim Komi who was a former F._B._i.. Director who was fired by Donald Trump and he's talking about the conclusion that came out in the mother report and the report is separate from this because this is talking about the unindicted co-conspirator potential title of Donald Trump there but here's Mitchell his call me talking to Anderson Cooper tickets so in your opinion there was corrupt and ten at least in several of those episodes of looks that way from the reports <hes> factual recitation if there now I think it's up to eight hundred former federal prosecutors have worked in both Republican and Democratic administrations who've signed a statement saying the Muller's findings would have produced obstruction charges against president trump if he weren't president. Do you agree yeah. I uh no doubt no doubt so tim if we have you know Don Donald Trump's former lawyer sitting in prison for a crime that he says that he did at Donald Trump's behalf so that's one thing you have donald trump's former former aide whole picks apparently he's also facing consequences who may have lied to Congress but there's no consequences for her and then you have the former F._B._I.. Director saying that he believed there was corrupt intent and potential obstruction of justice committed by this present. That's multiple things that a regular personal it'd be indicted for but there is now also not an opportunity or not a possibility of him either being impeached which is the only other option so you can't be indicted and he can't be impeached or what we looking at is that Donald Trump is going to get away with all of this. Well you know he can be impeached. I don't think that that's been they will come to the house. Leadership does not want to compel the House to move in that direction but I think that that the very question can he be indicted lead. Did you ask about impeachment and if you say no to both I think what you're then saying the president exists above the rule of law and I don't think that's what the framers of the Constitution intended they otherwise they wouldn't have put in a provision for impeachment impeachment exists exists as a cure to the reality that he may not get indicted through the regular judicial process and I think what we're confronted with is very question. The examples you gave also left out Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort Paul Manafort was his campaign manager. Michael Flynn was as national security adviser. You had people with real power and influence who are paying the costs of breaking the law because it was clear as day that they did. I don't think anyone including the eight hundred prosecutors who've read them all the report and watch how William Bar acted around it and read what what Robert Muller's conclusions are have very little doubt that the president obstructed justice there is no doubt in my mind having read that report twice now that the president obstructed justice us and so what do we do as a country and what do we do around that reality if we're not going to indict him we have to take very seriously the reality of impeachment and if we don't then the at the end of the day what we're saying is where we're creating a president of the United States to exist above the law and I think that's a bad result yeah and that's a frightening possibility okay. All of these guests are going to be right back so please stay right there and coming up Lordy. It's finally multi next hi. It's is Katy Tur want to keep up with M._S._N._B._C.. While you're on the go subscribe to the M._S._N._B._C. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news text M._S._N._B._C. Two six six eight six six to subscribe. Under long standing department policy a president president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office that is unconstitutional even if the charges kept under seal and hidden from Republic View that too is prohibited special counsel's Office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy charging the president with a crime and was therefore not an option we could consider nearly two months after Robert Muller signed off as special counsel. He is set to return to Capitol Hill on Wednesday for a set of back to back public hearings before the House Judiciary for an intelligence committees. The New York Times has framing this as a make or break moment for Democrats but at this point house until Chairman Adam Schiff says that he isn't quite sure what to expect. Here's what he told my colleague Kristen Welker yesterday. I am very realistic in my expectations. He is clearly deeply. Reluctant to testify he has made it clear that he doesn't want to go beyond the report and I wanNA make it clear. That is a choice that <unk> Bob Mueller is making that is not required by law that is not required by regulation. We will be doing our hearing after the Judiciary Committee so we will get some sense of how worthwhile it is to fight with him over areas outside the report back with Timothy O'Brien my wiley and Jill wine banks and Tim is you just look at this. <hes> sort of outside of the process looking in is this entire process like a month and a half too late because you know for the most part art people have formed their opinions on what they think is in the Muller report because although it is now a New York Times bestseller most people haven't read it so most people just heard about it and heard the spin from William Bar and Republicans and Fox News or they've heard or donald trump or they've heard various Democrats or people like on these shows talking about it so people already have an opinion and it's not likely it doesn't seem that Muller is the type of guy who's going to come out there and and try to change anything he's just going to repeat. What's in the report so AH innocent? What do you make the fact that this much time later now Democrats are doing this kind of a hearing well? I do think the Democrats have been too slow off the mark throughout this whole process I think Bill Barr who has operated very much. It's like a political operative and IT media strategists around this rather than the nation's top law enforcement official. I think recognized early on that. It was important to craft a message about what the Mullahs report said and to get ahead of that in terms of the public conversation and he was very very effective at that he dissemble about what the report said and he offered a very soft take on what it presented for the president and I don't think the Democrats or members of the legal community ever really caught up with bar more on that I think I think people understand now. The Bar was a bad actor in this but for most Americans wondering about how they should think about this. I do think some of this is settled. I don't think most people have read them Mullah report nor do I think they will and I think think about all of the momentum that went in prior to the Cavanaugh hearings or Michael cones hearings people watch both those things with great attention attention and emotional attachment. They saw those important moments. I think some of that momentum has gone to having said all of that so I don't think you can discount how powerful television is as a theater and I think this could be very powerful learning moment for most Americans if this plays out in a way in which they realize how dramatic dramatic and damning this report is the most I think damning report that's ever been presented for a sitting president and I think that that's been loss on the public and I think strategically it will really hinge on how wise judiciary and Intel are in Stage Managing Robert Muller's appearance yeah so let's talk about the content could actually be my gym called me has given his thoughts on on what Phnom should be asked of Michael Cohen. Just give you a few of them did did you. He would like to see Mr Muller. Ask did you reach a judgment as to what the President committed obstruction of justice crimes. Did you find substantial evidence that the president had committed obstruction of justice crimes for example. Did you find that the president directed the White House counsel to call the Acting Attorney General and tell him the special counsel must be removed. Did you find the president later directed the White House counsel to say that he had not been ordered to have the special counsel moved and did you find the president wanted the White House counsel to write a false memo saying he had been ordered to have special counselor moved in. Did you find the White House counsel refused to do that because it was not true. What do you want them to do is ask yes or no kind of questions? Did you find that this person potentially committed this crime which seems like it would be smart because that's something Democrats could potentially be a useful. Do you think that's the way the Democrats should yes or no questions with with I I would absolutely go that way. We know that by the book Bob is going to stick to his report and what that me and the what the House Judiciary Committee Committee has done at least if if if the news reporting is accurate terms of which parts of the obstruction remember their ten areas of obstruction they've highlighted five that they're going to focus on. They picked the right five because those five like mcgann like Corey Lewandowski. Those are the examples where in the report Robert Muller said Obstructive Act. He said a connection to a preceding Donald Trump knew there was a grand jury proceeding when he was aware of it he was talking about he was concerned about it and thirdly that there was substantial he literally uses this language. There was substantial evidence of corrupt intent. Essentially which is those are the three elements of the crime so what Democrats can do is literally say on page forty seven you found in your report obstructive act trump knew there was a proceeding and there was substantial santeuil evidence. Is that correct because then he's going to answer. Factually I think the other thing Neil Kochav made very clear and goes back to Tim's point is they should ask very clear broad questions about bars framing the report meaning. You did not find that there was no collusion you found significant interference with your ability to investigate didn't you so you know they can unravel that. Some of the damage that William Bar did in painting the report inaccurately yeah and we know that the Republican Strategy Per Matt Gaetz who has already said that they want to try to go into bias they WANNA try to sort of beat up on <hes> on <hes> on Muller and try to allege that there was some sort of bias in the investigation. You are obviously a student of what it looks like when this kind of a hearing. This isn't quite a Watergate hearings that level but it's it's a public hearing at which the principal investigator is sitting in this in in the hot seat if Republicans go after him. It was just not what happened during the Watergate hearings. Is there a possibility that this could be more useful because it will force muller to defend himself so far muller or has not shown any instinct to defend himself. I keep hoping that he will <hes> but the accusations against him from the Republicans have been so absurd that maybe he feels it isn't necessary. He's been cleared by everybody who has officially looked at his supposed bias or his hiring of Democrats. Prosecutors are not Democrats or Republicans. They are people who are charged with finding the truth the facts ax and that's what Robert Muller and his team did I think that both what Tim and my is absolutely correct. The questions have to be framed as this is what you said on page so and so is that correct act you have to stick to what's there and he will do that and it can be a smoking gun. Yeah it'll be interesting but really quick before we go. We are out of time but very quick answer tim do you don't claims he's not going to watch the Gene Muller testimony and that it's all over already do believe he's not GonNa Watch it. I think he was going to be very very enwrapped. In all of this. I think this is this is what he lives for. This is actually his own that he he lives in day to day. I don't think I'm GonNa miss this any of this. He's getting he's in a live tweeted probably and really quick the banks. What's your pin? It's a Muller Pin Shows Muller against a background of the flag all right well. We will all be watching. Thank you very much. Timothy O'Brien my widely jill wine banks. y'All very much coming Yep. I'll explain how trump's attack on people of color could be a national security threat that is next sort of language go back tweet came from you. Don't belong is sort of language which I've heard in my lifetime from racist and fascist never from a mainstream politician will hey you have the president of the USA using that same sort of language the outrage over Donald Trump's racist tweets and attacks on four freshman house else Democrats of color isn't isolated to the United States. The attacks provoked revulsion from many of our allies around the globe trump's comments were even condemned by Boris Johnson. The conservative politician poised to become Britain's new prime minister who trump apple's just secretly flattering last week. If you're the leader great multiracial multicultural society you simply cannot use that kind of language about sending the people that win that decades and decades ago thank heavens for that so it's totally unacceptable joining me now is Paul rakoff host of the podcast angry Americans great great to talk with you Paul and it goes around the world. I mean just to stay in Britain for a moment. The outgoing British Prime Minister Theresa May who just treated trump to a state visit enforced the royal family to wine and dine him. She put a statement out saying the prime minister's view is that the language used to refer to these women was completely unacceptable from her spokesman. You had the British a British politician and David Lamb as a donald trump telling four ethnic minority American car go back where they originally came from nineteen one thousand nine hundred eighty s racism straight from the White House any British politician fit to serve as P._M.. Would condemn which Boris Johnson did it goes on and on and on for bear so when our closest allies condemning the American president. Where does that leave us it leaves us in in very deep waters it precarious times the president's tweets are racist? The president is racist. The policies are racist and the command climate he has created is racist and that's ripping our country apart more than half the country views him as racist and our children are watching. All Americans are watching the military is watching but the world is watching our allies are watching and they are now looking to us to correct this to check him. This is more than a tipping point. This is a defining moment. This is a gut check time for America to find find out who has integrity and who doesn't in the media in politics. WHO's going to call it what it is and who's going to recognize our enemies are also watching a divide America's a weakened America? The North Koreans are going to push us. The Iranians are going to push us. They've now taken a British tanker even this morning Southern Command is tweeting about Venezuelan jet and pushing the stakes there so the stakes couldn't possibly be higher and we're in very very deep waters and I think that's a really important point. Let me stay with you on that for just a moment because the reality is that post World War due to the U._S.. Really organized those are the last man standing literally last man standing after it was devastated after World War Two and then we had this primary rival we thought then allied with the then Soviet Union but are you know what the U._S. has used to say. No Oh you need to stick with us and stay on our side of what was the Cold War was these values that we weren't always living to blunt we weren't living at all when it came to raise but that we said them right and so when you have an American president who's coddling dictators cuddling up to people like Kim Jong own hanging a photo of Kim Jong Hoon in the White House right and then at the same time he is stoking these racist elements within our within our country the same way that the leader of Poland is the leader of of other countries are that we consider to be you know sort you've falling toward a fascist element. What does that do to the organization up the world? What does that do to national security for us and rips it apart? I mean these stabilizing force for for our country but for the entire world we're looked to to be a pillar of stability of strength of integrity and our commander in chief is a racist and most of the world sees it so I think it really behooves the rest of us to try to figure out as we say in the military how to adapt improvise overcome. How are we going to work around Donald Trump? How are we going to put other faces forward award and especially frankly white people white people need to speak up and call it racist and this is gut check time for all Americans but especially for the National Security Community for retired generals for diplomats for other people who can show a contrast to donald trump? You're doing it on your show. We do it here on M._S._N._B._C. but it's gotta go a lot broader than that to show the world that all Americans are not racist yeah and you know it's interesting because Germany which obviously experienced firsthand what it meant to have an extremist extremist government that did you know the worst of the worst a year ago and this is circulating again on twitter and it's interesting that it certainly again stern which is the most popular magazine in Germany literally depicted Donald Trump as Nazi on its cover. That was a year ago. That's circulating. Circulating again today following his attack on these women angle Merckel who now in many ways is the leader of the free world for a lot of people because she's standing the strongest for multi-ethnic democracy in Germany fighting against far-right forces she came out and was asked to you personally feel solidarity with the women men who were attacked and here's what she said Zinzi because unfort- tunes easy presently salita averaged a kitten followed cheating easily dollars and I don't have time to read them all but you've got the leaders of Canada attacking denouncing Donald Trump Scotland attack denouncing donald trump the leader of New Zealand who just had a horrendous anti-muslim attack in her country coming out and condemning Donald Trump but when Germany when the leader of Germany is as well and when a German newspapers depicting the American President as a Nazi. Oh my God I just get your company upside down world and Boris Johnson Right Boards John Now checking trump. That's how far it's gone. Look my my podcast focuses a lot on independence and people from the National Security and defense community veterans. I think we as a community are extremely concerned here because we understand how this endangers every single platoon every single squad in the world that stands on indefens- on behalf of America that goes from border security all the way to the Middle East so the stakes couldn't possibly be higher and that's why trump's racism racism in dangerous. All Americans endangers the entire world yeah absolutely and I'm old enough to remember when Ronald Reagan being vilified around the world met him being depicted as a cowboy okay as a cowboy that was that that's how you know and this is how far we take this point yeah yeah. It's pretty pretty far down Paul Rakoff always bits talk to you. Thank you very much appreciate. Thank you coming up. I'll tell you about the latest on the man-made crisis in Puerto Rico. That's next thousands of protesters arrived here. cobblestone streets wipeout authorities acted more police around the governor's mansion I should the governor resigned the other demonstrations in Miami D._C.. And New York Hamilton Creator Lin-manuel Miranda's sounded all supported that people this week protesters flooded the streets of San Juan Puerto Rico to demand the resignation of Governor Ricardo or CEO after nearly nine hundred pages of his private text messages were leaked in them he and his eleven of his closest aides and cabinet members use defensive homophobic and misogynistic language and at one point even joked the victims of Hurricane Maria doing now is Victoria Leandra multimedia producer for vice news so just give us a bit of the background for those who have not been following the story yes so the protests have been going on for about a week now. It all started because of the leak Chad but the protests are not about it. The protests are this is something that has been bottling up for Puerto Ricans for a long time now. It's about the corruption going on the island. It's about the failed response to Hurricane Maria. It's about the years of mismanagement and the island has had to its own people so now it's a turning point from Puerto Ricans and that's what they're going out on the streets and so just to give both they're they're. They're calling it. Ricky leaks is nicknamed for it but there were points at which according to the reporting the governor attacked the San Juan Mayor Carmen you lean crews exchanged conversations nations with the chief fiscal officer of Puerto Rico at the time and the and the persons on the Federal Board responsible for managing the island's finances and they tweaked. They joked about salivating to shoot her and he the governor said You'd be doing me a grand favor favor. They joked about Ricky Martin and made fun of him making fun of him and saying that likening his sexual orientation to patriarchal oppression because he didn't think women measured up just all sorts of crazy things but also talking talking about the financial situation and having some colorful things to say toward the the board that governs the finances of the island so is this at the end about the the the the rivalry between Carmen Julian cruise and the governor. Is it about fight over the finances what what what you're saying. It's not really just about the the text messages exactly the text messages just prove something that has been going on in the island for many years and that is that had the political class in the island has thing corrupt so this messages are approved of that now. That's the last straw that Puerto Ricans need to go out and actually fight against this political class last because Carmen Julene Carmen's union comment on the jobs doing comment is only it's only homophobic. It's misogynistic. It's sexist but it's corruption that it's the thing that is the main problem in the island of now right and just really quickly prominent politicians that are now calling for CEOS resignation. Jet Representative Jennifer Gones Cologne. Who's our resident commissioner of Puerto Rico who serves as a non voting member of the House of Representatives says it's time to stabilize Puerto Rico to continue its reconstruction Senator Elizabeth Warren as the people spoken loud and clear concrete resigned Hulan Castro has said he he's not affecting these to resign? Even Senator Rick Scott the former right wing Republican governor of Florida. WHO's now a senator to the needs new leadership ricky? Martin issued a statement saying that this chat also contains vulgar references to him and he's sorry. Did he ever response here. Sorry I'm getting this wrong but he does not have have a comment on it. He was just one of the people who attacked is the governor is planning to resign. Is there any instant. Is there any chance that he's going to resign from your reporting governor will say you will need to resign. He has no one left on his own party and in the in the party that supports him he doesn't even have many of the support of the Republicans and Democrats here in the U._S.. Like he has claim that he has a very little amount of people who actually in the islands still support him actually let this past week. They communicated a march for his stay in power when no one attended so ooh just to fort where we are at a time. I just want to let people know that he has issued a statement. He's spotted on Tuesday that he was not proud of what he did but he is not going to resign. <hes> thank you very much. We're out of time but Victoria Leandra. Thank you so much really appreciate you being here. Thank you for having me. Thank you very much more drafted to break. Hey very special thank you to everyone who was bought my brand new book the man who sold America trump and the unraveling of the American story which is now in its third week on New York Times Bestseller List who you can get your copy wherever books are sold and if you already have a copy and want to get it signed. I'll be at politics and prose this Tuesday at seven PM. Just check my social media accounts for more details and on other on this and other book events more Andrew after the break once you start telling American citizens to quote go back to your own countries. This tells you that this President's policies are not about immigration. It's about ethnicity and racist is on morning and welcome back to A._M.. Joel Bronx Congresswoman Alexandrio Cossio Cortez laid it all out on Saturday as new reporting from the Washington Post reveals their firestorm in the cleanup operation that hit the White House following Donald All trumps racist tirade when we go today according to the post trump's top aides didn't think that he fully understood what he had done since last Sunday when he fired off a trio of racist tweets before a trip to his golf course after days of damage control control aides reportedly believed that the worst behind them until Wednesday when trump leaned back stuck his chin in the air and just took it all in while his supporters erupted into racist chance of send her back in response to trump's attacks on Somali born American citizen citizen and Congresswoman Ilan Omar The post reports that Republican leaders including Vice President Mike Pence Republican House leader Kevin McCarthy and Congresswoman Liz Cheney huddled together at his house the next day to figure out how to deal with the danger aged of the chant catching on but with trump doubling tripling quadrupling down on attacking the congresswoman even this morning and with this poll numbers among Republicans going up since his racist tweets it look like that ship has sailed joining me now is tiffany cross of the see Andrew Feinberg of breakfast media Jason Johnson of the Root Dot Com Republican strategists Kate Dawson and M._S._N._B._C. media analyst Eric Deg and Tiffany a little bit more from that post story trump defended himself when he was supposedly confronted by his aides he'd been watching Fox and friends after waking up he wanted to elevate the congresswoman as he had previously discussed with AIDS. The president said the he thought that he was injecting himself into Democratic Party politics in a good way so he thought that he did a great job and wanted to keep doing it and some of the AIDS it supposedly sat down with him thinking Liz Cheney went out and her damage control was to start yelling about Democrats being baby killer so it's not anybody knew what to do but they didn't do anything right right and this is nothing new I mean this is something I think when we all this attention on trump and his rhetoric look obviously I think to ask the question I still see time and again members. Come on television and hostal ask so do you think the comments the president's comments are racist. We can stop that question has been asking right answer. We can stop wasting. Everybody's time asking that we can stop wasting time pretending this week. Walk back means anything other than a failed attempt at controlling whatever damage they did with their their base in Republican Party if any was done but this did not begin with trump's presidency. This is the president the Republican Party created for the past few decades long before trump came in office. You had white supremacists roaming the halls of Congress. This is even the first time a white supremacist has occupied the White House so we have to start identifying these things and demanding that the media call it what it is call a thing a thing. I remember when this happened and I didn't even flinch when it happened but you wake up and you see the breaking news banner trump said something racist Oh it wasn't racially charged today or comments that some people bound to be racist. We're finally ready to call thing. Let's do that and I think if if I may say if we had newsrooms that were more representative of the country with more people of color in them than I think we would have a lot more honest discourse about identifying these things as the racist comments and white supremacists compensate and thinking about it is that right I think because people in the media have have been so reluctant to really go straight on at things like racism it does kind of give Republicans a cover to say no. It's this is another thing thing is racially charged bad language because there is a cover that they're under but it also does seem that there is a scramble that Republicans haven't figured out when they when they know they clearly know that this was bad. This looks really bad and but they don't really know how to you. Don't have to do about it. I want to show a confrontation between yourself Andrew and and Kellyanne Conway who at this point they sort of defacto the White House spokeswoman. She's the person going out to the press and trying to defend him and she she clearly didn't know what to do here with your interaction with her. The president was not telling these these four congresswoman to church. They're supposed to countries of origin to which countries was he referred what you're missing. You know because as you question my ancestors are from Ireland in Italy drove into the question it is you're asking about he said originally you said originally from what did as you just give us your reaction to that. I mean my my reaction at the time I'm used to her being inappropriate with me and responding to legitimate questions with often insulting questions but <hes> that one as I've said before was owed a weirder than normal and I don't think that she really knew how to answer the question so her responses to deflect but this time it didn't go so well yeah clearly. It didn't didn't let me read another piece Washington Post story for you and the trombone doubles down its advisors new talking points for trump and handed him reams of opposition research. He doesn't read lots of stuff but okay they wanted to read opposition circle the Fort Congresswoman pivot to patriotism they said focus on their ideas and behavior not identity some would still see a racist agenda the argument went but at least it would not be so explicit so it's clear that they understood that Donald Trump had been blatantly only racist towards these women and they want him to backpedal into attacking their policies but isn't the fact that since his he wrote it down. It's on his twitter feed. He said the country's you came from. He didn't say anything about the green new deal or Medicare for all backpedaling into those things it just it was too late right well. It's sort of like listen. The first chapter of your book joy I read it and enjoyed it and finish. This weekend was no matter what you hand Donald. Trump is an operative motive. He's going to do what he thinks he needs to do. He did it with his opening. Speech had a speech in his pocket. You address it in your book. It's true and Donald Trump has instincts that certainly have probably fared him well electorally but not. The folks around him so Donald Trump's not donald trump's not one that's workable or one that is manageable as far as his rhetoric especially as twitter feed so what staff says and what he does is two different things donald trump so far you're inside the base has an ignore ability factor that people will look past what he says. Pick out what they like an accentuate that that's what I've seen in this instant so far right and do you worry that the you know I've likened it to just because that's in my head really from a book and thank you for the compliment on it that it is similar to the way that you saw the nationalist party. They called the National Party in South Africa kind of morph right that it'd be formed around white identity and just took it from there. Do you worry that the image of the Republican Party has a poll out. We don't have it this morning but our at my predecessor David Gura talked about it that among younger people the Republican Party's name is mud at this point they just they can't get anywhere because they are being the your party is is becoming identified with this kind of racism and nationalism and white nationalism and isn't that a problem I'm not I don't fully agree with that. I do agree that the tone is what bothers us that elect elect people to office. I come from the electoral place where we put people in office. We recruit Tim Scott's Nikki Haley's we've tried to diversifier party and the tone matters to me as far as the young folks who I think the economy matters to him. Some things things that Donald trump should be talking about that he's not talking about. This is all purely political. This is about reelection for Donald Trump. This is about Democratic Party versus the Republican Party. I took a big note from what happened at the Democrat Democratic Congressional meetings that they had for the congressman and and for the governors and the Democrat governors are the ones that I read that concerns both ways that Donald Trump gave them huge wins two years ago and now with this presidential primary up and the rhetoric the twenty you're using now. I never agree with Terry McAuliffe before but I agree with him now. The Democratic Party is not talking about what matters to the voters voters in these young voters at the same time. Republicans are not taking advantage of a primary that is going on this getting a lot of coverage that is I would contend not in mainstream electoral politics right now. Well let me let me go to today's on this because so there's the politics of it which Keeton obviously knows their welcome party politics very well and then there's just the optics of it and I just want to get your this because you're out in the world talking to voters Jason. It feels to me like over the past week we I have not talked at all about whatever it is. These young women are for in terms of policy that whatever policy Republicans thought that they were going to benefit from saying they can demonize the green new deal through them. They can demonize Medicare for all through them. That's gone the Democratic Party is now all united the German chancellor is united with them and the leader of Canada and on and on and on in just saying their bodies who they are is Donald Trump attack like that's what they are now. They are now elevated in stature. They now are really beneficial to to the party in a way as far as particularly with younger voters people who might not have been that excited by this presidential race there now really useful with younger voters now young people know who they are if they didn't already and even on the other side of it let me Omarosa has I said this is coming from Donald Trump's own friend that he hired that he made star. This is what she said on our air when she was on yesterday on Saturday night politics take a listen at those rallies these things or choreographed there are section leaders who helped to start those chance and so it was intentional and we know that they did it so that they could start these chance so he tested okay Omarosa but she's saying she is now going up as a former White House okay and say Nope Nope they did strategy. Zone friend is saying that former friend get your thoughts Jason well so a couple of things one OMAROSA has no the Donald Trump was a racist for years. She told me that during the debates I say that now that's not that's that's not new. That's not a surprise but but I think joy really dangerous issue here is that we always want to make sure that any discussion of how racism these being used politically what we understand that the consequences are actually life and death. I vehemently disagree with what Keeton talking about here that this is all political. Maybe political for you. It's life and death for these women. It's life and death for people at the border. It's life and death for black and Brown and yes heather higher white people in America when you have a president who says that my philosophy a fee for staying in power is to demonize eight imply and suggest and encourage violence against people who don't look like me. That's the problem and everybody knows that he's doing it and the only difference is that some people say that it's politically convenient and some people argue you about tone. I want to live in American. I encourage every single person to have this conversation. This is not a strategic issue. It is a national security issue. It is a moral issue. It is an ethical issue into the degree that we allow trump to make this about policy when the reality is we know he just hates for Brown. Women these sort of Modern Day lynchings these Republicans would have been mad about these four women regardless of what they said and did we have to understand that this is not strategic. It's moral. It has to be looked at that way. You haven't come back before I go onto the Pentagon. I'm going to come back to you on this kate and because right so so there there is these as you said it's not strategy for the Washington Post Donald Trump just sort of burp this out this tweet did it and then the team trying to find a way to make it seem like strategic back strategically into it and then he goes to this to this rally where Omarosa is claiming the way they did. The rallies was they set it up whatever you believe them or not. She's saying it's something they wanted to have happened. It happened. He basks it and he literally basked in for thirteen seconds which T._v.. Time is like half of a television commercial. Okay okay so it's not strategic for him. It's him and what it's unleashing. NOLA DOT COM in New Orleans has a piece about a police officer suggesting that I was under Cortez. The congresswoman needs around Gretna police officer officer posted a comment on his facebook page this past week calling for representative Allesandro Casa of Cortez call her bile idiot who needs around and I don't mean the kind she used to serve as a waitress. It's unleashing real violence. It's unleashing violent threads threads inside the far right. Donald Trump won't reject so isn't that more than a strategic problem. Isn't that a national security and Domestic Security Problem Keeton well. I think when you have have the rhetoric that we've we've seen that it is problematic. I don't agree with everybody on the panel today of where it's going whereas coming or the danger to national security. I and I do think that the tone is is not proper but it does go back. Donald Trump wouldn't be doing this if there wasn't election to twenty four months. I don't think so he has this New York five literally literally on your own argument the summit I'M GONNA go. I WANNA get digging into this because the media does have a part to play in it we showed earlier the interaction that Andrew had with Kellyanne Conway but on a bigger picture the media in responding to what they've seen this week has done a few interesting things as Timmy's he's. They're still fighting about whether to call this racism because this is like this isn't just like the guy at the end of the bar racist the president of the United States and the idea that white nationalism is a whole different level than racism right and we're not they don't even go even close to that you had what I just showed the potential violence and you've seen instances of violence increase according to him and the media decides. Who should we talk about this? Who should we get? Who Can we oh Richard Spencer? Let's let him comment like he got to comment on TV Chris Cobalt who couldn't get a job in this administration. We're Stephen Miller in the abandoned abandoned used to work because he was in his background profile. They were found that white supremacy might be a property. He couldn't even get a job here. Here's what he had to say on C._N._N.. What would you do if the president said I am a racist? That's why I said it. What would you do then I would then I would not defend him because there's no excuse for racism in America? You're still support a real resident. I don't think he's racist. Okay so that happened right so I mean is how do you assess Eric as a media analyst how the media is sort of handling this this situation which could be dangerous but I don't know how doing well there's a lot of things that impact there for sure I would say in the CUOMO interview. That's that's a pretty good example of taking someone and holding them to account and showing how how so many Republicans struggle to reconcile their support for the president with his racist actions having someone like Richard Spencer on a different issue because for white supremacists like him being acknowledged by a major media outlet like C._N._n.. That is the victory he wants to be seen as a valid mainstream commentator on race and social issues so the minute you put them in front of a camera he's one and so you have to ask yourself as a journalist. What am I going to get out of talking to this person that is going to make it worth validating him as a national spokesperson on issues of race and media and politics and so I think that was a was a mistake <hes> I would also say that there are not a lot of media media outlets out there that I mean there's a lot of media outlets out there that are using word racism and racist to describe what President Trump is doing and I think the thing that is frightening to a lot of people is that there's a frustration in that even though those words are being attached to what he's doing? There's still a significant portion of people who will not reject him <hes> even though those toxic words have been applied to what he does <hes> there is some discussion in media about when you make that determination nation but a google search will reveal that there are a ton of major media outlets and have called those treats racist and have called what happened during the rally racist. We're sort of beyond I think that <hes> now and we're we're we're in a uncharted uncharted territory where even calling something racist does not call the cost some people to reject this president or his policies right and I think partly tiffany because you have the right. There's a there's an idea that as soon as you hear the race in their mind turns off because you call everybody racists very I've seen people argue about that on twitter they're not every racist is a white nationalist. Every white nationalist is and there's a very big difference between being racist which a lot of people may be and have bad feelings but still be able to watch N._B._A.. Basketball and Michael Beck later tonight to be but all the idea that this is supposed to be a white country right the underlying message of what Donald Trump said. It's worse than racism it saying this is a white country which is what white nationalists nationalists say right so Donald Trump has crept over the line. I think in this state which is why so many Republicans even themselves freaked out because saying this is a white country if you're white and European you can criticize the country like he did for twenty years say the country was garbage yeah until he was president. He said it was garbage to do that. If you're German right if your grandparents your mom was Scott as you finally yeah right I mean so we were we losing the language well at first of all we think the Magara crowd is intellectually sophisticated enough to be able to dissect racism. I'm from white nationalist. We are hopeless because that's not going to happen and I think you know. The deal is a lot of people I've never met a racist. Who Say oh yeah? I'm totally erase it. It's like you you nailed it. You call me right or yeah. I'm a white supremacist. Most people like to cloak themselves in their own false a blanket of security and equality until you start talking to them. I'll tell you quickly to trump supporters. I was on vacation and they were trying to convince me that they were not racist they said do you know how many black people I've kissed. Hello since I've been on this island and proceeded to tell me they had eleven people below. That is the most racist thing you really didn't matter then. You wouldn't know how many black people you touched or spoken. I think people have this false expectation that if I'm not walking around in the clan's hat or if I don't have a Nazi symbol on my arm I'm not a racist and that's just is not the case and just really quickly. A lot of the reason is because of the media. The media has legitimized people like Richard Spencer putting him on the media is scare and when I'm saying the media I mean mostly it's general cable news and it's like if you had more people of Color in the executive executive in the C. Suite making these decisions they could stop a lot of this from happening and say yes guy. This is a racist tweet. There's no debate here we this is the second round of debates. We're having presidential candidates where there are no black women apart of these conversations the backbone of the Democratic Party a why C._N._N.. Had what effect where they call Kellyanne conway a bad ass woman she was one of the feature start calling these things out. This is the ability all around very quickly. There's something else it's not just that there's not enough representation of people newsrooms. It's that the news industry has always been given a form of P._T._S._d.. By decades of being bashed as the liberal media and what happens is I think a lot of editors and some reporters think themselves will if I go too hard on this they're going to call me and they're gonNA call me liberal and they go really quickly Eric Eric and then I'm GonNa let Jason Beckett but Eric. The other thing that Donald Trump has been able to get away with doing this week is to try to loop Israel in and to even though he has re tweet he just re tweeted and a woman who was so anti Semitic. She lost her Murdoch. Doc Industry Columns Katie Puerto he re tweet areas retweeted her before he's re tweeted Neo Nazis multiple times during the campaign as his son but he's still trying to do this thing where they pivot and and grab Israel Israel and in order to defend themselves against the president's racism and he's really allowed to get away with that why I think the president is taking advantage of the fact that <hes> Hello I think the president is taking advantage of the fact fact that a lot of Americans don't have a real in depth knowledge of the issues that involve Israel that involve the Palestinians why some democratic and progressive politicians are criticizing them at what that criticism means and and <hes> and and and taking advantage of <hes> you know a tendency among evangelicals to silver warmly towards Israel now and taking advantage of people's ignorance. You know one thing I wanted to say that is fascinating me the about this. I think the president and other people engage in talking about race the way he has they're trying to move the goal posts in what we define as racism what we define as racist talk and that's one reason why it's so important to push back against yes and I also find it interesting that even in this moment people who are white supremacists do not want to be called racist which I don't WanNa be called racist and and and that's one of the enduring I say that's one of the enduring achievements of the Classic Civil Rights Movement is they have managed to move these words racism and racist to toxic and it's important to not allow those goalposts and we we're out of time but Jason can you hold your comment till the next block because you're going to be honest with us again all right so tiffany. Jason are GONNA come back with Mr Jason hold onto it. Keep it inside of the Commercial Break Andrew Fiber Keeton does and Eric diggins. Thank you guys very much coming up and so you would hold it for one more second because the next segment is your moment coming up maxine that's next on this vote the yeas the as are three hundred and thirty two and the NAYS are ninety five with one answering present. The motion is adopted without a Jackson. A motion to reconsider is laid on the table this this week the House of Representatives overwhelmingly voted down a resolution to begin impeachment proceedings against Donald Trump but the impeachment by a growing Group of Democrats is far from over and join me now democratic congresswoman maxine waters of California. She is the chair of the Financial Services Committee and and has been one of the most vocal proponents impeaching donald trump congressman is so great to talk with you. Thank you for being here and let me just ask you about this. Vote Boomberg reported that it's possible. Let me read what they wrote it. It's one interpretation of having having that vote that representative Al Green Force onto the floor is that speaker Pelosi simply wanted to mollify pro impeachment Democrats such as yourself by giving them an easy opportunity to express their views. Another interpretation is that the speaker isn't as opposed to impeachment she he is let on and is using this vote to gauge sentiment within the caucus or even to demonstrate that support by the support for ousting the president is growing. Did you read that impeachment vote as one of those two things well. I think that the speaker certainly has to reconsider the leadership that she's provided against impeachment. Yes I think every time there's a demonstration of an increase vote among her caucus of people who uh either a moving toward impeachment inquiry who've been away from the issue who've not supported impeachment at least they want to get into an impeachment inquiry and I think she's going to have to reconsider it as the votes Mount Yeah and if that boat that represented green put forward based on Donald Trump's racism had that vote instead been on obstruction of justice or on his participation in the crime that that Michael Cohen is in prison for or those ten instances of obstruction laid out more if he had put the if he had put that inquiry for that vote for it on that. Do you think it would have gotten more votes you think he wanted to even pat. Thanks that's great possibility because I think as members look at what is wrong with this president and all of the information that they've received about what he has done. Collusion and obstructive of justice certainly has emerged as significant issues. I think they all can be combined with racism and I think that certainly would would lead many of the members to want to go toward impeachment inquiry at least that yeah and let me tell you what Donald Trump's reaction to that vote was here it is I do Sir that the United States House of Representatives has overwhelmingly voted to kill the most ridiculous project I've ever been involved in the resolution. How stupid is that on impeach? I WanNa thank those Democrats because many of them voted for us. The vote was totally lopsided three hundred and thirty two to ninety five to one carry your reaction well. He's such a liar and he takes every opportunity to put his label on whatever is going on so you know I expected anything from this president and what he has done is he's. He's taken a boat where the impeachment inquiry perhaps is rising despite the fact that it was table and he's trying to make it seem as if it's failing and that no one of basically the majority <music> certainly do not believe that he should be impeached and he's just doing everything he can to make it believe that we those of us who want them in peace away off base that we don't know what we're doing that is absolutely witch taught it so but we believe anything that he says does is a lawyer. He is someone that has misled this country. He's a divisive president and so he is Donald Trump. We've waited too long way too alone and he has gotten away with too much and what has happened is the more we wait the more ridiculous he gets and so when we should have stopped him a long time ago and got into the impeachment effort. I think that he would have backed up. He would have been focused on. What could he do to keep the impeachment from going forward even more and so? We've waited a long time but I'm still hopeful. I'm still hopeful that the members of Congress will rise to the level of <music> our responsibility to deal with the president who is unworthy whose device it in his dangerous and do you think that the congress also waited too long to talk to Robert Muller. He's going to be here next week. Do you think they waited too long to speak to him. And do you think that hearing we'll have it make any difference. It's well you know what happened. Was the members of Congress put their efforts into saying we've got to wait for the Muller report. When the Mullahs report comes out will know what to do and he'll be able to justify impeachment so he put out his report he led us right to the point where he knows that? If we take the responsibility that is mandated to us by the constitution we would grab onto what he's given us. He's given us the fact certainly on obstruction of justice. I think there's enough there to prove collusion also then that wasn't enough and now the members of the Judiciary Committee GonNa have him before them and they're waiting to see if he's going to expound on somehow if he's going to be bringing out more information about his investigation basically what he said is. My report speaks for me. He may just get before them and say well. I'll refer you to pay one hundred thirty one online. That's my answer so I don't know if they're going to get more than they've gotten in the report very quickly before we go. The New York State of New York has passed a law saying that the Congress could have dumped from New York State Tax Returns Does Your Committee Committee has the power to get it and do you think that Congress the ways and Means Committee which definitely has the power to get those tax returns should get I think that would be in the hands of the ways and Means Committee. They're the ones who have gone after the tax returns and certainly I'm very pleased about what what happened in New York but it would be the ways and Means Committee who has oversight over tax returns okay congresswoman maxine waters. Thank you so much really appreciate it have a great Sunday. Thank you and coming up. We'll take a peek at what's happening on the other Sunday shows that's next coming up. Donald Trump's most loyal adviser Stephen Miller returns to the Sunday shows the try and spend the president's racist tweets. We'll show you how that worked out. Spoiler alert that will detail when we come back I fundamentally disagree with the view that if you criticize somebody and they happen to be a different color skin that makes it a racial criticism in fact offering whether he's in South Africa you saw from Congresswoman Presley this week that she was saying that if you are you're brown you have to speak like around person. If you're black creek like a black person that's the kind of ideology the president's rejecting thing Stephen Miller was the White House's choice to put on T._v.. Depend Donald Trump's racist attacks against the squad this week and like most trump as he could tell you deny the donald trump's attacks had anything to do with race here discuss tiffany cross the E._J.. Deal in Washington Post columnist then yellow gives Jay from the Center for American progress and Jason Johnson from the root dot com days. You've been sitting for good ten minutes thinking about this comment that was boiling inside of you ten and a half minutes ago and so I'm going to let you go first. We're going to be our first Sunday sample or you can. You can do what you had to say and then respond to Stephen Miller go well. The pressure is I just don't feel pressure already feel judged by tiffany. I'm really well. They're all expecting big things from you right so I I I WanNa talk about Richard Spencer which is not a sense that you've ever heard coming out of my mouth but I talk about retrenchments because it has to do with this idea of how the twenty four hour cable able eat ecosystem decides who isn't isn't an expert Richard Spencer is not an expert. He's just a racist you can find one of those et an uber driver and we've seen this happen all the time diamond and so hard experts on black people the bad haircuts some of this has to do with editorial decisions and look. I wouldn't ask Richard Spencer to come discuss racism anymore. That would bring an r Kelly the talk about Jeffrey Epstein the same kinds of people could be more intelligent. Ah who we bring in to discuss these issues now with that being said Stephen Miller is not only a racist and a white nationalist but he does happen to work in the White House so he has some insight that is actually an expert but I'm not surprised that he saying what he saying because Stephen Miller politics policy she says always been very clear and as we've seen every single time he goes on a Sunday show his job is to push back an attack the media because he is playing for the audience of one which is president trump so I'm not surprised by anything he says or Marc Short says or anything else like that they they believe that this is a winning combination strategically and also morally it is a moral imperative for them through immigration policy through housing policy through economic policy to make America a wider nation they are white nationalist and so therefore he's doing his job and up to expectations. I WanNa know did he. Did they attack you. Not Living Down Malign Danielle or when news Sunday shows all call the White House and say. Can you send US somebody to talk about Donald Trump's racism or they probably said his racially charged language originally originally they had a tinge of color you know hit sauce when they called and asked for that the only person willing to go of course Zim possibility that he's doing the speaking because he's all they've got and he believes deeply what he's saying just like Jason said it's like of course he wouldn't have somebody come out from the administration and talk about your your racism and you're white nationalist policies and send out the white nationalist and Stephen Miller God bless him he never for desks himself any favors when he goes on the show but to Jason's pointed it is an audience of one it does he doesn't care what we think is. Just many Donald Trump thinks. Donald Trump thinks he's a fighter yeah. Let's play it. Let's play a little bit more of him. Here's Chris Chris Wallace and who's actually taking him on on this question of stoking racial the division here it is I've never called any of those tweets racist but there's no question that he is stoking racial divisions Chris. The core element of the president's philosophy is America first saying that America needs to improve to get closer to in America first ideal as the president did as a candidate criticizing Obama criticizing our trade deals our foreign policy deals our immigration policies is out of love for America saying as as representative of Cossio Cortez did that illegal immigrants are affect more American than Americans is fundamentally okay. Let's American statement okay so putting aside the lie at the end of that statement that you know they've never said that. Undocumented people are more American the American that stupid nobody ever said that but the start of what Stephen Miller said I thought was very instructive. He says that the core of the element of the Americans of the presence flossy as America first which when it was in the nineteen thirties that was a fascist idea <hes> and so that that's where the roots of it are but Stephen Miller is writing the policies for the trump administration whose undercurrent is that this is a white nation and that there needs to be fewer brown people in it so they need to be deported and he'd be fewer Muslims in it. They need to be band. There needs to be no people coming from Central America. They need to be band. No asylum-seekers from Africa or the Central American they need to be band that is white nationalism and I think people freak out when you use the term white nationalism because it sounds like epithet but what it is that if you look up white nationalism in the dictionary and Merriam Webster's it is a belief that this country or any country that the white nationalist is in is a white country and that anything were added to it is not of that country. That's what he just said. You know what the great irony here is. If you go go back to the immigration of groups we now think of as white starting with the Irish and then going through Italians Jews Poles others from southern Europe the anti immigration people then were trying to otherwise them by saying they were people of Color People here who are white who descended from people everybody now agrees or white when they got here this same racial wine was going on. We are trump has started with his racism. A fundamental debate about what it means to be American America first he said you're right the roots of that were in opposition to getting in the war against Hitler but his America is defined not to include immigrants and not to include people of Color and let's just state the obvious if you tell four women of color three of whom were born here right that you should go back to where you came from kind of St Bully Epithet that is rates right yeah and there's no denying it and they want to have it both ways they want to say we weren't being racist but by the way we have the same definition of what it means to be American as you do white national in store person backlash person and they can't they. I think they had a bad ed week. Because you know trump had to change his tune more than usual. He went forward then back then forward again and they know they've got a problem and I call that a full Charlottesville at this did he's now completely new rate of a worse. Here's the thing is that we didn't even have immigration laws in this country until like the late eighteen hundred eighteen hundreds right for they were always to exclude people to exclude it was to free white Americans. You could come. We had open borders to White Yeah so essentially it opened boards you could just come show up in America and eventually would matriculate you went to be white then you could come and the only immigration the only way to stop it or to say that southern Europeans weren't white enough that Italians aliens were wide enough to pay which was about twelve bucks right and so the point is this argument that we can only be the America we used to be if we have closed borders. That's the opposite of how Americans got here so that that makes makes no sense yeah but Donald Trump really has revealed something which is not just the racism. That's the stuff he's been. Doing that is white nationalism. Is it not to say this is a white country and if you're not white you're not really American like you're not really French. If you're North Africa live in France but you're not French. That's what we've always criticized about. The way that Europe had used to operate yeah I think this is something that his supporters and we have to start calling his supporters supporters racist as well that mega had mega symbol has come to represent something it is the new Nazi symbol. It is the new new could the Klan Hood so I I think they don't feel comfortable describing themselves that way and so this president has to say oh. No you guys don't worry about it because this is what I mean and he says America first he means White America first and that's something that people L. Racism is so ingrained in this country that when you criticize it people feel like you're criticized you. Don't you're not a patriot and I think particularly for black people. We have such a complicated history with this country. We're no less patriots. We've always known who this country was. When people say this isn't who we are isn't it though this is exactly this racism is as American as Apple Pie? We love this country for the promise of what the country could be and if I may address what Spencer said or not Spencer I get them so confused it Stephen Miller Congresswoman Presley <hes> she she was not saying that you have to talk like a brown person she was saying we don't need people in Congress who show up with Brown faces who don't want to be brown voices with black faces who don't want to be black voices because we all know the two are not always the same. I mean you can take Omarosa for example. She was a black face and this administration. I don't know that I would describe her. As a black voice you can take the new omarosa Candice Owens whatever her name is she is obliged face. She certainly isn't a black voice and so I don't want him to have the opportunity to misconstrue saying and even his language itself was very racist. The term illegal immigrant is overwhelmingly offensive then even that comes with Aidid. It's outdated Congressman Joaquin Castro Chair the Hispanic Caucus introduced legislation this week to remove it from the federal government lexicon so we can start having a more inclusive government and live up to what the promise of what America's determined in media we don't use it anymore and it used to be a very common thing they let me play one more clip of Stephen Miller and this was talking about the way that Donald Trump used to talk about America when the president was black lack when it was brought up President Obama take a listen he wrote the United States under President Obama has truly become the gang that couldn't shoot straight everything he touches turns to garbage and you'd see through that doesn't A._F._C. Donald J this interview Chris you continuing to Conflict Donald Trump's criticisms of president Obama versus deep and systemic criticisms of the country itself Danielle uh-huh who don't curse don't curse I mean are you. Are you kidding me like the Donald trump he should leave by his own standards because he used to criticize as we saw right there this country under Obama all the time because he cannot. I'm not stomach the fact that it was led by a black person and again Stephen Miller God bless him he tried but you cannot erase the words that were right there in front of us. I just have to say I want. I want to piggyback on something that Tiffany said again that for black black Americans are relationship with this country is very complicated. My parents are immigrants. I'm a first generation American thing. Past Week has been really really difficult but I will take a back seat to no one when it comes to loving this country and with that love comes the right to criticize. Is everybody including the President Yeah absence to way of being the very beginning yeah. That's the whole point of it. Okay what Tiffany Jay Jason hold it in. We're GONNA come right. Back hasn't come back Danielle. It gives Jay thank you very much for being here and for being here here in America appreciate all of us. We ain't leaving Lavar we go to break. We do have to say goodbye to somebody who diner gives stealing. She's taking a wedding was because he's going to work. Here's agreed with embarrassing. What about T._V.'s conceive ashamed that he's leaving A._M.? Danieli was up there. Dare you cook your off visit. You unannounced many occasions N._B._C. Way. No we love you okay. I'll just admit that only this one time congratulations congratulations time to find out who okay you know what time it is time to my home on the week each seventy Catholic priests <music> who sat in at the Capitol to protest the barbarism of trump's immigration policies and an interfaith group that included a lot of Jewish progressive activists who also sat in at ice or the WASCO. Oh great radical had a t shirt that said resisting tyrants since Phero I think to see at a time when religion is much contestant when it's being used on behalf of trump to see religious prophets and eighty year old nun's a ninety roll nonsol- away in handcuffs tells you what religion the message religion can send it supposed to send it and I hate the fact that trumpism has eaten up religion and gobbled up and now people think of Christians that and it is not that at all that church that had the friendship Baptist Church that said if you date America leave that is not that these folks put their lives on really depressing week yeah you could sort of look at them and be inspired it for them. Well God bless them all right. Let's go to tip off and one of the week. I'm Michelle. Obama won the week and I'll tell you why turns every week me by watching this week. She kicked off a new program with her initiative. When we all vote where she is laser focused on getting young people to vote now in the midterms we saw a surge across the country of young people voting but really it so wasn't enough? Only one in three young people voted well in twenty twenty. There'll be over three point five million young people who are currently high school students who will be eligible to vote yeah and she has kicked off a program with them the N._e._A.. AF T- teachers organization says they encourage these students to register to vote and she's not telling them who to vote for wink wink but she is trying to incorrect and not for nothing. I think it's something still that she is one of the few people across polls that shows can beat Donald Trump in the double digits see an oprah personally. She's the most women in America yes. She is phenomenal and she's not just about wearing cute. Balenciaga boots days and the pressure is on those were two options. I mean then you gotta go and go up against Jesus so much to do but go all right so I am here in San Diego Comic Con the largest Comic Book Convention in the World. You have fifty thousand people all erases all sexualities all bodies all different kinds and my winner of the week goes to the only twenty twenty Democratic candidate who came to COMECON and that is cory booker came here and said he is a Geek a geek. He's always science fiction. He's always like Star Trek. He said that his girlfriend Rosario Dawson introduce him to Luke Cage daredevil. I know he won't impress tiffany because he said he has seen the last season of game of thrones yet cory booker credit for being the only Democratic candidate who was pushing to win the Nerd vote in two thousand twenty but I couldn't see him that picture did he costly. He did not cause what he dresses a senator but he did do V._R.. Glass he talked about his favorite star Trek. Be just fine. That's fine. That's fine no. I'm glad that he quit because look. I'm very jealous that you're a COMECON by the way like extremely jealous or I should be wearing green gelling. It is cool that he went there because he has geeks rule we do you cory booker is I can see him going because he is. He just has a fun anyway. Yes I think he would have gone anyway all right good for that all right. That's good that's great. I think that's great. God bless him for going but my winner is yeah. I think you cannot beat this. You guys sometimes. I'll let you listen it Sunday. Thank you sorry I worked on Sundays. I apologize for that as well. Winner of the week is Katherine Johnson the Great Katherine Johnson the groundbreaking African American mathematician. She's celebrating the Fiftieth Anniversary of the moon landing which was yesterday coming out with their own memoir. It's called reaching for the Moon Johnson's handwritten calculations with a hidden figures behind NASA's first crude mission into space despite having to work in a male dominated and segregated space donald was the first woman to put her name on a report and her work laid the foundation of Nasa Space Shuttle Program that later put a man on the moon the two thousand sixteen movie. I'd read this now that our producer thank you for writing this down. I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything so I had her. Write this up for me. The two thousand sixteen movie hidden figures portrays the Work Johnson to other African American Women Dorothee von and Mary Jackson contributed to NASA nineteen sixty to launch she was awarded the Medal of freedom by President Obama in two thousand fifteen and here's the best part about it. I don't know if you wanted to M._S._N._B._c. but this is one hundred years old. She's going to be one hundred and one and she is still rockin still the smartest person on earth and so I had to pick Katherine Johnson as my who won the week she won the week. She won the last fifty years. We have this kind of science fiction if it weren't for her so then Yeah Kabakov so I appreciate that but I mean very quickly let's say politically very quickly lightning around Jason who won the we politically this week. Actually I'd say people to judge I mean he actually rolled out his Marshall. Plan is Douglas Plan. He's been talking about Outta immortal. I'm very impressed and I'm surprised okay okay Egypt quickly. I think all of the Caucasus in the House Democratic caucuses who kind of reached an agreement saying let's stop attacking each other a while Smart Smart Congressman Presley because I know the squad gets a lot of talk about their push back but they actually deuce pretty solid legislation this week she introduced a bill to laser focus on student debt and huge issue for a lot of young people across the country. I on out of the squad watch her fingering her in the Boston Globe Yeah. She used to work for yeah. She's going to be I promise you that ladies and watch her autograph but watch out oppressing. This is a special nomination. Oh wait but the A._M.. Joy team the people who greeted congresswoman ill on Omar when she returned to the Minneapolis airport this week. That is some week winning wonderful patriotism you go girl. I think that was great for all those people also so the congresswoman yeah she gets a new girl. What's her name would have said the congresswoman Marianne Williamson he did and he said you'll beg for more? I'm joined the break.