Kavanaugh Nomination On Hold For New FBI Investigation; Senate Confirmation Vote Delayed As Pres. Trump Orders New FBI Background Check On Kavanaugh; This Is What A U-Turn Looks Like;
They take one last ride around the world, the EMMY award winning Anthony, bourdain parts, unknown the final episodes chairs, Sundays at nine on CNN. Good evening. What seemed this morning to be a foregone conclusion is now anyone's guess. That's how drastically the bread Kavanagh supreme court. Confirmation story has changed from sun up to sunset, and the news is still breaking at this hour. This morning, Republicans on the Senate Judiciary committee looked ready to move quickly on the nomination. No delay. They said no FBI investigation. Yesterday's hearings were enough. They said they'd given Christine Blasi Ford, a chance to be heard. They said time now to vote and the one Republican on the committee who's thought to be undecided. Jeff flake said he would vote to confirm judge Cavanaugh. Well, that news hit at about nine twenty five or nine twenty six AM then at nine thirty one leaving this off his office on his way to the committee vote. This happened. Take a look. Have two children. I cannot imagine back and forth the next fifty years. They will have someone green course. Green course who has been accused of violating young girl. What are you doing sir? What she was one of two women who confronted Senator flake on live television capital elevator about their experiences, survivors of sexual assault. She joins us momentarily and we're going to show you more of that confrontation not long after that occurred by the elevator, things began to shift sinner. Flake was seen huddling with democratic committee member, Chris coons of Delaware. Then the committee vote was delayed center. Flake and other lawmakers were then seen walking in and out of the hearing room talking negotiating, and then everything changed. I can only say that I would be only comfortable moving forward on the floor. I'll move it out of committee, but I will only be comfortable moving on the floor until the FBI has done more investigation than they have already. It may not take them a week. I understand that some of these witnesses may not want to discuss anything further, but I think we're, we owe them due diligence. And so there was Republican Senator Jeff flake suddenly calling for the FBI to investigate more has called followed. Then by Laskar Republican, Lisa Murkowski and red state democrat, Joe Manchin of West Virginia than Republican, Susan Collins of Maine, all suddenly calling for an FBI pro by day's end. It was a done deal a week, long background, check on judge cavenaugh, limited in scope and starting today, and our breaking news source telling us that the president is blaming center flake and Democrats for the delay. So was that elevator confrontation instrumental and Senator flakes surprising decision? He was asked about it. Here's what he said. To the protesters that you encounter play a role on everything I've seen and experienced. The last couple of weeks has been packed. It's it's, it's been everything. Everything he says, which today included pressure from constituents, some of whom crowded offices and jam phone lines. There were also obviously political considerations as well as practical moral ones. Whatever the case, what is clear tonight is how drastically things appear to have changed in the space of a day or in President. Trump's case since he said this on Wednesday, about Democrats in the process. Directly con artist because they know how quality this man is, and they've destroyed a man's reputation and they want to destroy it even more. And I think people are going to see that in the midterms what they've done to this family, what they've done to these children, these beautiful children of his and what they've done to his wife. And they know it's a big fat conjure up. So that was Wednesday. Now, last week, the president rejected any idea that he would request the FBI reopen their background investigation George cavenaugh. And even as recently as last evening is the testimony ended. The president was still rhetorically all in on cavenaugh tweeting. Judge Cavanaugh showed America exactly why nominated him. His testimony was powerful, honest and riveting. Democrats, search and destroy strategy is disgraceful. In this process has been a total sham and effort to delay obstruct and resist the Senate vote. Now, listen to the president's tone this afternoon with the president of Chile talking about the very same hearing he called professor Ford, very fine woman went on to say this judge Kavanagh's testimony and professor for. It was incredible. It was an incredible moment. I think in the history of our country. But certainly she would is a very credible witness. She was. Very good in many respects, and I think that I don't know if this is going to continue one word or we're going to get a vote. But again, I'm I'm here so I'm not out there watching because I can't be great respect. Although maybe we'll go watch together. Okay, we'll watch together, but I think it will work out very well for the country. I just wanted to work out well for the country. If that happens, I'm happy. So the president went from job to credible witness, and I just wanted to work out well for the country. Now the president wasn't the only one with seemingly new approaches. Lindsey, Graham yesterday, attacking committee, Democrats over the notion of an FBI probe. If you wanted FBI investigation, you coulda come to us, which you want to do is destroy this guy's life. Hold this seat open and hope you win in twenty twenty. You've said that not me. You've got nothing to apologize for. When you see soda. Marin keagan tell them it. Lindsey said, all costs I voted for them. I would never do to them what you've done. This guy. This is the moat unethical sham since I've been in politics and if you really wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you've done to this guy this morning before Senator flakes flips. And our Graham said this. Since the allegation came forward is been a complete twilight zone moment. At the end of the day, she couldn't tell us how she got there. Got home. Women need to be heard. They needs to be a process to protect anybody, accused of a crime and this madness needs to stop. Then soon after that, right after center flakes announcement, the madness Graham called it turned to some mutual understanding. Last time I looked, you need to devote so. Well, all I can say it sit right now. What Jeff is saying is into is, is make sense to me. I don't know. I'm not sticking for Mitch. I'm just wanna talk which if somebody's got explain this to Trump, so I guess that'd be my job. If I'm nothing I'm practical. So whether it was Jeff flakes change or pressure or change of heart or the simple arithmetic vote counting or something as yet unexplained. When by one GOP lawmakers began embracing the prospect of what the White House is now calling supplemental investigation a judge cavenaugh committee member Orrin Hatch said he had no problem with it. Ted Cruz got on board, whatever it was in the air today in Washington, the sphere changed and so has the story because what happened between Senator flake on that elevator is one of those rare instances when a stories, emotional center of gravity seemed to shift right before our eyes. Just want to show you more of the moment. Now, the first woman to go here is an Maria on a Maria or Archie LA. I'm going to speak with her in just a moment. You'll also hear from rea- Gallagher, MS Archie. LA is the co executive director of a left leaning advocacy group called the center for popular democracy. This Gallagher's recent college graduate. They were among a larger group of protesters who'd been out. Center flakes office. What you are doing is allowing someone who actually by the woman to sit in this report, this is not tolerable you children in your problem about, I have two children. I cannot imagine back and for the next fifty years, they will have to have someone green course who has been accused file ending young girl. What are you doing sir? I. Me. I didn't tell anyone in your telling all women, they don't matter. You're talking to your talent. Miso doesn't matter. No matter. You're going to. You're telling me what you vote for him. Away from me. Ana, Marie, Archie LA joins us. Now, thanks so much for being with us wondering when you made the decision to confront Senator flake. And at that point where you aware of his intention to confirm judge Cavanaugh. I've been coming to the capital for the last several weeks to protest the nation of judge Cavanaugh because I believe his dangerous for our country. He's dangerous for the rights of women to choose what we do with our bodies dangerous to our health care and a few days ago I stood in front of his office and told for the first time, my own story of sexual violence. When I was a child as a five year old, and then it was an incredibly painful moment I did it and because I felt like the country needs to hear these stories. I did it in solidarity with Dr Ford and I did it to protect my children. And today I went back to his office, you know, around eight thirty in the morning with Maria who I had just met in the hopes that maybe we could talk to. Him right before we saw him, we saw the announcement from his office that he was getting ready to vote for commoner to the supreme court. So both of us were just enraged and all the emotions that we have been holding for the last several weeks came out, pouring my demand of him to think of his children and think of my children, hurt demand of him to listen to her story and tell her whether her story matters, whether he's okay putting someone that has violated women in the supreme court when you were in the moment. I mean, did you know what you wanted to say? Had you thought about it beforehand on wondering what you saw of the reaction from from Senator flake? It's one thing for us to see it on television. You're looking at him trying to look at him in the I. I mean, honestly, I had literally just read the headlines of his statement and I, we saw him running to the elevator and we ran behind him. It was a very kind of intense moment of really wanting to talk to. Him and I was not really prepared even for my own emotions, but I felt like he really needed to hear like he needed to understand that women feel incredibly enraged about the thought of our stories of our experiences of surviving sexual violence being this, this missed laughed at disbelieved, and I think we, I just felt a great sense of urgency. I showing his face that he could not escape the emotion. Did you felt like he was listening to you? Did you feel like he wanted to kind of hope the elevator doors close? Did you think he wanted to stay longer with what was your per now? He wanted that those elevator's doors close and that conversation to end. And I wanted of him to really stay there and be present and think of the people. He loves think of his. Children, and I wanted him to be a hero to show up for his children for my children for myself for Maria for the women that have been telling our stories and to vote with his conscious conscience. And I wanted him to, I ha- I had gone to his office because I thought he might. He might be willing to take a step that was beyond, you know, the kind of the desire of his party and and I think he was moved, but not just by our story, he, he actually was moved by the stories and the actions of women and people that have been coming to to DC for for weeks people from the women's March people from organizations like ultra-violet and other people who have just shown up. I think that he has an opportunity to show the kind of leadership that we all deserve to really think of what Justice is Justice. The weight that Justice works is that we recognize harm. We take. Responsiblity for that harm and only then we begin to repair it and I don't think bread Cavagnaud is able to take responsibility for his actions. Therefore he should not have the power to take responsibility and the re to for the actions of the country when you learned that he was calling for an FBI investigation as a condition for his vote, what went for your mind? I mean, did you feel a sense of victory? Do you feel like what you said? I know you said he said it was a lot of things, and you said it probably was as well. Do you feel like what you did made a difference. I think if it had been just one story, my story and Maria story, it would not have made a difference. It was the fact that it was douses of people at thous of stories and Dr Ford herself, and I felt a sense of relief and a sense of possibility. I was reminded that it is through kind of as step that the standing for ourselves for our lives for the lives of others that we make change in this country. And I think that he has an opportunity to show that he appreciates the efforts and the courage of people who are stepping up and to stand up and be a hero. I think Susan, Susan Collins from Maine has the same opportunity. Senator Murkowski from Alaska has the same opportunity, and I hope they take these moments seriously and think about the next fifty years on. Thank you very much for talking with us on a Maria or chain. Carefree should have. We're now on all of this how my work, including some still outstanding. Questions that could be very important or chief political correspondent bash joins us. So does CNN senior political analysts, David Gergen and CNN chief legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin. What do we know about the scope of the investigation will the other investing allegations beyond professor at Ford's being vested, and who decides is the FBI the White House whom I been doing some reporting on that this evening, along with our r&d vogue, and here's what I can tell you. I in the Senate Judiciary statement released earlier today, it says that the f. b. i. should investigate current credible allegations, and that that was a term that was specifically asked for a negotiated by the three Republican senators that you have been talking about. The key votes Senator Jeff flake, Susan Collins, and Murkowski that in as part of this limited scope in time, they also wanted to limit the scope of the allegation. So it it certainly is focused on professor Ford and the allegations there, but not. Limited to that. And I think some of that is going to be at the discretion of the FBI, but the point is at least according to the private discussions, if somebody comes out tomorrow or the next day, it will be not within the scope of the FBI's current mandate. You're, it's interesting. This early. I was actually in the freshman class at AOL with Christopher Ray, who's now the FBI director. We're friends. We're on the same team, and so we were just, I think, two or three years behind Brad Kavanagh. I certainly to know Brad Kavanagh then I don't know of Christopher Ray did, but it is. It's interesting that you now have an FBI director who was at the same university around the same time again, have no idea if they ever actually met and just to sort of add to that Senator Chris coons who today had that private conversation, the pivotal conversation with Jeff flake behind the dais in the judiciary committee was also at. Yeah. Did not know that. I'm wondering what you're hearing from Republicans forces night. How would they feeling about this FBI investigation? Did they have a choice of? I mean now, no, no choice. Anxious frustrated exasperated. I think that's those are probably just the beginning of the adjectives to use to describe the Republican leadership. And of course the White House is well, Mitch. McConnell did not want to do this. He had absolutely no choice because they didn't have the votes, plain and simple. He made clear behind closed doors to in this meeting this afternoon. When this deal was was struck to these Republican senators that what you are going to do here, what you are demanding here will not even his view be satisfying to you because he, he said, you're not gonna get the answers that you're looking for. But from the perspective of these Republican senators, they did not feel good enough to get to. Yes, without having this investigation. And it's simple as that. Can I ask you Donna? One thing I don't understand about this and I, I've seen con- conflicting stories, does this mean that the the FBI investigation ends a week from today or there is a vote on Cavanaugh a week from today. I asked that very question just before coming on. What I was told by a senior leadership source is that the agreement was a gentlemen's agreement. There are no votes or anything is woman agreement. Is that the they agreed that the vote will happen no later than we from today. So if that be I investigation is done earlier than there could be a vote earlier, but no, no later than a week from today. That's what they agreed to drift you at some tough words for for Senator flake this morning before the deal. I'm wondering what you make all week. I had towards for Jess, Jeff flake, not profile, encourage, I believe, and time for me to eat crow. I was wrong, Jeff, flake, changed history. I mean, no, and it was him. It was him alone. Who did this? It wasn't Merck house. Sqi wasn't Collins and I've was critical of him for big, talk little action. Judge, Brad Kavanagh may yet Welby may be confirmed, but if it wasn't for what flake did today, he would be confirmed tomorrow. And as as Donna was just saying it'll be Friday if it's if it's at all. And I just think, you know, it is rare when individuals Senator step up to like this and individually change history. And that's what he did. You know, hats off to David. I mean, if the weeklong clock runs on the FBI isn't done investigate. I'm Dan says, you know, the the agreement is is there will be a vote, do you? Do you think that would happen? Or do you think they would try to in continue the FBI investigation longer. No, I think they'll shut down after a week. They're, they're, they're pretty rigid about that. I'm sure. But I want to say I Republican leaders who are unhappy tonight. One day we'll thank Jeff flake. He pulled them along with Chris coons, pull them back from the brink of what would be well would have become the most vices vote and contemporary history taking an extra week to look at this satisfying their democratic demands to get to the closer to the bottom of this really changed the dynamics and makes it easier. I, if there's nothing there, then it also makes it easier for judge Cavanaugh to vote on judge Cavanaugh and send him to the court for those who are disposed to do that. And but the real credit here belongs to Dr Ford and all the American women who are speaking up, it's the coming week is going to be featuring not just this investigation, but hearing from the voice of the people and that voice changed, Jeff flake mind. It's. Going to have an enormous impact in today's a head. But what if they vote to confirm him and all these women are to said, the hell with you. It may well happen that way. We, but listen, it was incredibly important, not to totally ran. This thing through the Republicans were about to do one of the worst things you can do American politics, and that is be completely dismissive of millions and millions of voters and have an and at least opening the door. And I think flake deserves a lot of credit for that, but it had it not been for those women in that elevator today. Would we be here tonight? Professor. Ford, certainly, David Gergen identified Jeff Toobin. Thank you coming up next New York Senator Kirsten gillibrand take on the hearings in today's stunning developments. My name is Paul Shirley, and I've gone on a lot of dates. I've noticed something on these dates. I often find myself telling the same stories stories about my mother teaching sex Ed stories about playing college basketball stories about playing NBA basketball and almost dying in the process. We all do this. We tell stories on dates because dates are winning get to explain where we've been and what we've seen in why we think like we do my name is Paul Shirley, and I hope you'll check out my new narrative podcast stories I tell on dates, you can subscribe for free on apple podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows. Breaking news tonight, President Trump maybe going along with it, but a source tells us he is blaming Zona, a Republican Senator, Jeff flake and Democrats for delaying the confirmation of Brad Kavanagh. Earlier tonight I spoke about this day with New York, democratic Senator Kirsten gillibrand. Senator from the way the day started, would you have ever expected? It would end with an FBI investigation into these allegations? Well, you know, interestingly, I'm not surprised because I think what Dr Blasi Ford accomplished yesterday was really important. She told her truth and she had so much courage and so much determination and was so honest, I mean, you could just see it coming out of her the honesty and integrity of her testimony. And I think it inspired a lot of people and for a lot of women, it was the moment when they were being represented to. She stood for all of us. She stood for millions of women all across this country who have suffered through trauma and then perhaps not listened to and not believed, and she spoke for all of us. So I'm not surprised at the power of the metoo moment is this affecting the fact that senators listened and some of them listen to the degree that they actually now want an FBI investigation. The change in tone though. From the end of yesterday to today, not only from the president, United States, but also Republicans on the committee Senator Lindsey, Graham. I mean, you talked about professor Ford's testimony. Do you think it was just that? Because certainly after judge Cavanaugh testified Republicans were very much behind what what he had to say, how much of it was Dr Ford's actual testimony. How much was perhaps response from women and others today that people calling into Senate offices of emailing in the leg? I think it's both. Actually. I think Dr Ford's testimony was so profound and so inspiring. I think that she showed such courage that people really see her as a hero. Even this morning when I was bringing my son to school, a teacher came up to me in tears, tears because she was so worried like, where is our country going? And what's interesting about this new to moment is that women are taking that fear taking that. Anger and they are speaking out there speaking their own truths and fighting back. And I think it did result as you said in millions of women speaking out calling their members of congress, calling their senators to be heard. Kirchen powers and others on our air. Last night. We're saying, you know, if if professor Ford had come out and. Cried in the way that that judge Kavanagh did and yelled and and raised her voice in the way that he did and not answered questions that the Republicans on the committee of the various in many people may be watching at home would would have viewed her very differently. It's a double standard essentially. Do you believe that? Yes, I do. I think what you saw Dr Ford was it inspiring testimony from the heart. I cried during her testimony. It emotionally moved me. I couldn't even see her face, but every word out of her mouth was he could see it was painful. It was obvious that she was speaking the truth that it was coming from her heart, that it was painful and that she suffered because of how judge cavenaugh treated her in high school. And so there was a huge difference between the way she came to the committee hearing as wanting to helpful wanting to be forthright. There was a righteousness behind her words. I did not see any of that out of judge cavenaugh. There was a huge difference. And is one of the things that this moment is about this. This. A larger moment about this. The fact that there's so much institutional power that these very powerful men have, and then they do not want to let that go. And I think that's why women are not taking this laying down. They are standing up there speaking out, they are speaking their own truce. They are wanting to be heard, and they're not gonna let this moment pass without being heard. You talked about the teacher at your child's school, wondering about where the country is going. People were asking what message? Yesterday's events sentence, arrivers, sexual assault. I'm wondering what message you think today's events sense to them. So last night I was depleted. I was gutted. There was a fear that the country hadn't gotten better and that nothing has changed that those in power are refusing to meet this moment with integrity and honesty, and I felt that way I felt like I can't believe we are where we were in one thousand nine hundred one, and that's what the tears of the teacher were about that is anyone going to stop this train wreck from happening. And I just looked here. I said, we are not going to give up. We are going to keep fighting, and I think a lot of women women woke up this morning and said, this is not over our voices. Two matter are stories do matter, and we are going to take the courage of Dr Blasi Ford and projected because she spoke for all of us. And I think that is the larger moment. So today is the day of hope that it. Is not over and that we are going to keep speaking out and demand more from these male powerful elected leaders, but tickly of the Republican party who are unwilling to realize that women's voices do matter. Appreciate your time. Thank you. We're going to dig deeper on the political fallout from all of this van Jones, Rick Santorum and Kirsten powers join us ahead. Hey, Howard Beck, and I've got Ben Gulliver of Sports Illustrated on Bleacher reports the full forty eight. I'm like you over Costa Li, so you we're not really like violent, but what I look at what kind of a tree hundred from Oregon, right? But when I look at Lakers trading hip, it feels like the both likely plays in the league that fits by will break out at some point. So check out the full forty eight. Now on Bleacher report, half podcasts and Spotify. So the vote on judge a brick Kavanagh's now set for no later than a week from today. That's what our data batch just reported the f. b. i. has that long to investigate. We're told us limited in scope as well as time and is that's going on. The impact of this story is registering registering on voters. Joining us now is van Jones host the Aline vengeance show here on CNN also CNN senior political commentator and former Republican presidential candidate and Senator Rick Santorum, unseen and political analysts. Kirsten powers Curson. Does this FBI investigation alleviate some of the concerns that you had last night about this process. Yes, yes. But so I think that I'm very happy to hear that they're going to be doing an FBI investigation. I would like it a lot better if they had asked the f. b. i. or would ask the FBI how much time they need to do this investigation. Just saying, we're going to do this and put an arbitrary time limit on it. I don't think makes me feel like this is a completely serious investigation. It could. It could be shorter investigation than this. I don't really know, but I'd like to hear from the FBI how much time they need and then they should be given the time that they need to do. A thorough investigation been don't really know how many FBI agents would be tasked with this. How big a scope they have. They plan on talk to look. This all sounds really good, you know, oh, well, we'll just give them a week and then we're going to go vote. We don't know what's going to happen. And if you think that you saw a big change based on a powerful testimony on one day, wait until these FBI agents come back with whatever they find the there could be a vote on onto. Or they could never be a vote at all. So everybody can go to bed. Nine feel like this thing is all wrapped up in tidy this thing. Just got blown completely wide open. We have no idea what's going to happen, and that's a pro preate. When you have these kinds of charges, the FBI is going to start doing its job, and those senators are going to look down the same barrel gin and somebody's gonna blink. Again if in fact there's a need for an extension of this investigation Senator Santorum yesterday, judge cabinet, you know, in his testimony was saying, well, look, the guy's not gonna come to any conclusions if she's going to submit three. Oh two, they're going to do interviews and just submit them. How do you see this? What has changed? How do you see this FBI investigation? Well, I disagree with with with some of what's been sad. I mean, I think this investigation will be a thorough. I what I've been told. It's beginning already it's going to be very very, I think there's going to be a lot of people who are going to be contacted when they say it's limited. I really don't see how it could be limited, to be honest with you. I mean, they're going to go out and talk to. Two people that were his classmates at Yale and classmates and other folks that he knew it at at Georgetown prep and in the Washington DC area. And they're going to ask him about the things that actually pertained to all three allegations that are out there. They're going to ask about his his drinking. They're going to ask him about his, you know his, his overall demeanor and and things that you know it's sexual, you know relationships with. I mean, they're going to dig in even if it's just quote limited to the one charge. It's not limited because the the, you know the the same types of things that are being discussed elsewhere. So no, I, I really don't see this as a limited limited to. Yes. I mean, they're not going to go out there and pursue whether he committed academic fraud or something like that. They're going to look at the charges that are before them and they're, it's going to be, I think, rather exhaustive and and I don't think frankly, I don't think it'll take seven days. I mean, it's a fairly limited universe of people here. Everybody is sort of on alert. I mean, nobody anybody wants you. The news knows you're going to be in contact with the FBI be available to them. So I actually think this will go relatively. Quickly. Do you think when you saw Senator flake making this announcement? I mean, obviously it's like everyone was pretty much surprised. Certainly people who weren't in that room. Do you think the Republicans had any other choice but to go along with him now? I think well, because he's not just speaking for himself. He's speaking for other senators who have questions about this and who aren't going to vote without this FBI investigation so that the Republicans had to go along with it and you know, and, and you know, Rick may be right. This may take less time. It may only take seven days. My point is merely you just need to ask the FBI what they need you coming up with this arbitrary seven day, you know, saying is is a political move. It's not some. It's not a, let's just give the FBI the time that they need. And so I'd rather hear from the FBI about what they need and give them what they need. I, that's just the way I think should be conducted VIN in. We don't know also. Who would if they whatever they submit, if the public will ever see what they submit. But there's a lot of questions about when one thing got answered this week. There are two superpowers in American politics. One is Donald Trump and the other, the voice of women, and they've been in this back and forth time. He came down the escalator and said, he grabbed him by the whatever and all that, that whole year of him being more and more insulting toward women. Women have been trying to fight back and today was the first time you saw a break in the power of Donald Trump in the face of women's voices. Women, the one woman testified and other women were in that capital was full of people full of people. It wasn't just elevator and the power of women's voices broke the power of Donald Trump to control this process. And I think that power is only only going to grow center. Do you do you agree with with vans, kind of assessment that that it's the power of women on this on? Any question that Dr Ford gave very compelling testimony that that that. Ro raised a lot of concerns in people. Obviously, Senator Collins center McKesson, but I think others look, I actually think this is actually worked out very well for Republicans. I, I know that people say, well, McConnell subset in a recent, I can tell you as a as someone who sat in that caucus and and was a solid wood would have been a solid vote for judge Cavanaugh. I, I actually feel pretty good that we're doing this investigation because I think it just serves judge Cavanaugh better. I mean, the have to have this cloud of looking like his namo should got pushed through by a bunch of folks who at least it's been a. It's been alleged, don't wanna hear the truth. I don't think that's true. I think the committee did actually have very good investigation here. But again, the idea that it's been put up an and I think accepted by broad number of people that we need an FBI investigation in spite of what Joe Biden said years ago, and other people have said, and what judge cavenaugh though, said about the these are not dispositive investigations as to looking for any kind of criminality or any kind of conclusions. The reality is the perception is out there and it's not good for. Judge cavenaugh. And so I'm, I'm actually hopeful that that that this is done is done well that that it is made available to people to show that it was done well, and then we can move on Senator though if it's good for judge cavenaugh, how come Jude Cavanaugh refused to actually say he would like an f. b.. Escape professors, things you'd like net again as someone who is in the Republican leadership and actually have dealt with these types of things you you when when Democrats are demanding, in fact, Democrats who are never going to vote for anything. You want are demanding something you don't. You don't say, yes. Why? Because your job is to move this process through and get the votes. You need to be able to win. And it's only when people who are important for your vote, who wants something you have to have some if you gave this to the Democrats, and then then there'd be the next thing you'd have to give which may or may not be a good idea. So this is all part of the process, and it's ugly and it sausage, and I know people don't like it. Very, for a jug. Truth is important, but isn't that joining this process? Don is also important, but the judge shouldn't it be about the truth as opposed to making sure he gets he's not in control. His job at the point is I mean, now you're saying this is so great. FBI investigation, Balloir. Okay, let's go back. Let's go back to what actually everyone has been saying up until this minute on the Republican side, which is FBI doesn't even do these kind of investigations, you know, this is what we've been hearing. This is what we heard from the president. And of course, now they are doing this investigation which just shows that what was being said wasn't true. Wait, let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish and and the and that we knew that they did it because they did it with Clarence Thomas. And so and everyone was saying, we don't need the FBI investigation. And now it's like, oh, the FBI investigation is going to be great. I think that the truth is the most important thing. It's not just getting somebody on the court, and I said, all along that I think it's better for Brett Cavanaugh that when you have this hanging over you, you should want the other person who is allegedly in the room and other people who could exonerate you to be questioned by the FBI. Breaking occurs, empowers Anderson tour van Jones. Thank you very much. It was incredibly dramatic to watch what was going on in the Senate Judiciary committee today, but what was it like to be in the room when it happened? Judiciary committee member Senator Richard Blumenthal joins me next. How many cats in providence head coach Ed Cooley is on March madness. Three sixty five. I'm excited about the group nervous in one fence because of our inexperience in the back court, but make our athleticism are length and toughness is three sixty five now at apple podcasts and Spotify. Dave drama on Capitol Hill, the fatal brick cavenaugh still very much up in the air after today sudden about-face by Senator Jeff flake and the president who's now ordered the FBI to conduct an investigation into allegations against Kevin, something he had previously refused to do said the FBI wasn't interested in didn't wanna do joining me now a Senator Richard Blumenthal member of the judiciary committee, sir. We'll just watching everything play out during the hearing today. Can you just describe what it was like in the room at the time? I mean, were you aware of exactly what was going on? Well, there were a swirl of conversations, some involving five or eight members of the committee bipartisan with Senator flake and between others of us. And at some point we went back into the hearing room and Senator flake made a statement indicating that he would request a delay in the vote by one week, right? Implying he would vote against it. The nomination if that requests were not granted. And of course he had the backing of other key votes which we knew. And so the chairman exceeded his authority and there was almost a thought by of relief because we were heading for a confrontation that really could've enhanced an entrenched, the kind of partisan divide that was so bitter and deep in the twenty four hours before them. This FBI investigation, it's going to be limited in scope to quote current credible allegations, and we just got some reporting that says, it will focus on the allegations brought by Christine, Bazi Ford, but will also focus on Mark judge as a possible witness. Is that under your understanding as well, there are two other women who've come forward. Are they going to be interviewed, Deborah Ramirez at? Do you know how many agents are going to be involved in this? The reference. As to current credible allegations, in my view, the allegations made by Ramirez and do he's sweating are very credible. They certainly are current and they have to be investigated as well because they're part of a pattern, an Emo and the more judge subpoena, which I moved my motion to subpoena him as a witness to our committee was rejected by party line vote. Unfortunately, at the very outset of our judiciary may, he is certainly a key witness and he must be interviewed at length. He said he would cooperate but only in a confidential interview, it has to be public and sworn so, but is so is the scope of the investigation. I mean, is it is it not settled? Is it is entirely up to the FBI? Will you be informed in the coming days what the scope is or is that just something you'll learn at the end of this week? My view is that the FBI is an. Organization, investigative agency of consummate skill and integrity. It will follow the facts and the law and the evidence where it leads them, and I think it has to lead them toward those additional allegations because they are part of that pattern. And I think also we all have to consider the demeanor that judge Cavanaugh demonstrated at that hearing yesterday filled with rancor and rage animus and arrogance. And I think that the kind of temperament. Is reflective of those allegations as well. It's interesting that that Mark judge obviously is, is I assume going to be interviewed that the reporting was obviously just that you were questioning judge cavenaugh about that yesterday and basically indicating that what Cavanaugh was saying under oath about what Mark judge had submitted. Judge cabinet kept saying that he had under penalty of perjury sent a an affidavit. Essentially, you pointed out it was actually something just written by his attorney. Exactly. Right Anderson. It's not an affidavit. If not sworn statement, it's a statement that his attorney has submitted. Signed by the attorney, not by Mark judge. He may say it's submitted under penalty of a felony, but it would be very difficult to prosecute perjury for that statement by his attorney. And so the fact that he says he can't recall may change when he actually is under that penalty of perjury, sir. Blumenthal appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Let's quickly check in with Christy what he working for Cuomo prompt time. Chris, what a day. Me about it. What on just a moment ago, we were sitting on a plane about how we had this all just about figured out now and look at what happened and unfolded today in the way that it did. So you have two people who really know how this went down, right? Flake and Kuhn's. So we have coons coming on the show tonight to talk about this just last night. He was on the show Anderson and he was in such a bad place. You know, he was so resigned to this can't get any better. Then let's be honest, you know, it's not like they were rainbows and sunshine today, but the idea of these two sides coming together on anything seem completely impossible when that hearing started this morning. So at least there's something, what does it mean? What is it? Not what's likely, what's unlikely? We'll take you through all of it. And I believe that the f. b. i. is gonna wind up taking a deeper look people think right now into whether or not the judge was telling the truth about himself and his past, and we have a witness on tonight who may be called by the FBI. She's willing to talk. She knew cavenaugh in college. And she knew one of his accusers and we have her on his well before, did that, Chris. Thanks coming up. That's about eight minutes from now coming up next on three sixty a look at what some voters thought about hearings group women in Florida, who identifies independence share their thoughts. 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This time, six independence in Florida to vote in the primaries in Florida, you have to register with the party and so they could vote to in this group registered as Republicans to Democrats in two did not vote in the primaries, but again, they all call themselves independence. Here's what they told Randi Kaye after watching the hearing yesterday. How many of you thought that Christine Ford sounded credible. I mean, you could hear the emotion coming forth. She was really reliving the trauma in everything that occurred that night as an independent who leans Republican right now. What did you think of Christine? Ford's opening statement. I thought the whole situation was a little theatrical. I would think that a person of her caliber would be able to keep it together if it was natural to keep it together a little bit better and judge Brit Kavanagh's opening statement. He broke down a little bit. He showed emotion, but he's worked his entire life to get where he has where he is today. Would you think of his tone energy in the passionate, he he's angry defensive in, I kept thinking to myself, why is he yelling? What about you being. If you were innocent and you put through that in the view of using your heart believed you were innocent and you put through that Christine Ford's testimony about allegedly hearing Cavanaugh and his friend laugh at her in the bedroom resonated. That was the moment that made him an how horrible. Yeah, that made me bone chilling have more compassion for her, and she described being on the bed. She described where the bed was in the room. She talked about where the bathroom was in the room. There were two beds in the room. I think that speaks to her that those memories are coming back and she was able to to be in touch with those. So the fact that she knew that information that adds to her credible, I thought, so there's not a lot of corroboration. So that's why I I'm left wondering who's telling the truth or maybe they're both partial truth. How many of you think that Mark judge should come and testify before this committee now, but when someone in the group suggested delaying the vote to confirm cavenaugh as is now the case. Italy's entire lice, maybe loser opportunity due to the delay. He could lose opportunity room court completely due to the delay it back. Wait a minute. They're big, turns out there's nothing that happens to her and he was delayed in Mississauga offered. And we as American people to know. Especially when it comes to the supreme court. Kevin. I had a lot of opportunities to call for FBI investigation. If he is innocent and it just seems like unwillingness is very questionable. All I kept hearing him say is I am here talking now. Like I'm telling my story now it's a meat that's not good enough, especially when you have Ford continually say, let's do this FBI investigation and FBI investigation in my mind would have given me more reason to believe him. And what about all the drinking some friends say he do find that? Never that he's never had a blurry night for. He's never blacked out. I find that very hard to believe, especially for how many times he said, I like beer. How many of you think that you're ready to say that judge Brad Kavanagh should go on and be supreme court Justice? Raise your hand. None of you. What do you still want to know? I want to know why a potential supreme court judge wouldn't use every single tool. He has to get to the truth, no matter what it is. Rainy k. CNN Sarasota. Grew to hear their perspective is going to be a busy week. Next week or minor dome is full circle or daily interactive newscast on Facebook, you pick some of the stories that we cover. 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