The from the banks of the grand river high above the gorge. This is the buzzer pod. New releases industry insiders out of the box conversations in music with guests from the true north from the west coast to the east coast and across the pond and down under now. Here's shave on air indie episode seven. Welcome enjoy it's february. The second today in nineteen fifty-nine buddy. Holly richard balanced and the big bopper played last ever gig. They appeared at the surf ballroom. Clear lake iowa. They died in a plane crash. The following day the day that music died in nineteen fifty-nine. Our guest is indie folk songwriter. Alleyoop slam based in brooklyn new york. Allie gets real about his debut album. The last american the last american an stick collage of stories about growing up. Straddling a pakistani culture of his family and the american culture of his peers. Anyone who's ever felt they don't quite on for any reason will relate to this show. Welcome alley how are you today. I'm doing well share. How are you. i'm doing great. Did you have a wonderful holiday. I did yeah. I had a very pleasant to present. Pleasant break us good to have a break. Your debut album. The last american is getting great reviews in particular vents magazine and current music dot com They actually said it was beautiful expiration of sandwich. I agree with Is there any other nods to the album. It can tell yeah. The dancing with architecture had a really great review. that That just was lovely written. And then i. I was just featured in rolling stone india Yesterday is kind of an artist to check out and and a record at checkout which was a little bit of a surprise for for all of us. But but you know. We're grateful for the coverage for sure david day franklin of dancing about rx gesture road great review and he actually said that your song really about america of the world today. How do you feel about that Well that was the line that really kind of touched me we had. We had this thesis about What we were trying to do right. And who and who. You're writing for And you can have a lot of ideas about what you're doing as an artist or what you're doing for project but for them you know someone else to listen to your work And sort of pick up on all of those intentions or so many of those intentions. It's it's really kinda gratifying And so i. I'm very grateful for that. Review volley wrote an excellent review. I couldn't have written it any better. Sounds terms of music always drawn to music certain event or happening that drew you to me. Well i. I've always been drawn to music. But i i didn't have the opportunity to be a musician until a bit later It's it's a little bit of a interesting story where i you know. I graduated college. I studied architecture and graduated right in the first few months of the of the recession. And there was an There's no work for anybody. But there was a specially no work for architects right because nobody was building investing or developing. And so there was just a lot of time. You know. And i and i went to a a new year's party or actually i don't remember what what what the occasion was. I went to a party at a friend's house and He had a bunch of band gear in the basement. You know he had hit a drum kit and some a bunch of guitars and amps and things so just asked him about it too cool. You have a band. And he's like yeah. We do but we don't have a singer. I'm looking for a singer. And i said i'm a singer which at the time was an absolute lie. I had never been a public performer of any kind. You is saying the shower but not too loud. Because they don't want anybody hear me. But here i am with a lot of time my hands and my and my friend has abandoned. He needs a singer and So so now. I'm going to be a singer. And he says great. Go home and send me a demo now. I'm terrified right. Because i have to one figure out what a demo is and to record one So like. I said i had a lot of time in my hand so i went home and i recorded a demo of me singing And i didn't like any of it And so i. I kind of call him back and i said you know you guys composed anything And so he. He sent me a link to kind of instrumental things that they had been working on. And i wrote a few songs for those pieces and i kind of came to their next rehearsal and perform them and they loved it And that was kind of my in Until sort of becoming a musician actually through through songwriting the home before anything else perform mostly solo act. It's mostly solo act now That band i am still in touch with all of them. And i love them. But you know that was that was sort of right out right out of school And you know we're all still kicking around but over time. Economies approved relationships change And you know kind of people move in different directions. So that band kind of broke up But then all of a sudden i was. I was a singer. A songwriter without Without a lot of musical skills under my belt so the road to becoming a solo artist is a little bit of a winding one Because i had to kind of learn how to compose in different ways. Now right United always kind of had a band communicate with and people to to lean on and now all of a sudden i didn't But i was still writing. And i was still kind of coming up with melodies and coming up songs and lyrics but i didn't. I didn't have a lot of guitar skills. They didn't have a lot of skills. So those kind of i had to pick those up. I had to learn how to do that. before i could truly call myself a solo artist so you taught yourself adult. Oh yeah absolutely. I came into. Music is an adult and kind of backwards. If you think about it like was was the front man in a band and having a lot of fun and we. We made some great music. But i'm very proud of that ban called the new bedford's And then i find myself kind of improving as a writer and then not having all the tools i need to to kind of keep keep this craft going And so yeah. I sort of i. I've written all the songs. And i i would perform them acapella. You know i. I would show up to open mics and perform acapella. And then i i kind of slowly found Some compatriots who who could teach me. And then i could learn what whatever else i needed to learn to learn how to play the songs that i'd already written so yeah definitely. I definitely came into this as an adult and very much with the with the intention of creating the project. That's out in the world now. So is your future dedicated. She said are you still active in architecture. No no i'm. I'm still an architect and i and i and i love that You know every career has a sort of a winding path. And i think i'm at a point. Now where i. I have a lot of clarity about what it is that i do Especially on the architecture side. As the way i frame it is that like i am a storyteller and i have two different medium in which i carry out that craft right so i'm storyteller and i get to do the and architecture as a designer and get to do that in music as a songwriter. A singer and recording artist. Yes both are created obedience like you say and both the creative endeavors like you see why you're successful at both. Well thank you so whether influence says you're welcome. No i actually enjoy listening to music very soothing. Thank you thank you. I have every intention to crates fought. Thank about Keep doing a did you. When you were growing up was music around june did any of that spillover into your music or something that you were the first of of flop to become interested in that career. Well i would say music is always around us the way. It isn't a lot of households right like you know you've got you've got the radio and you've got The the music that your your family. Your parents are listening to or your or your siblings are listening to But i would say that context is a little different when you are either immigrant or or you know what i am which is a first generation american And so what. I mean is like the music that i absorbed. I absorbed like a whole history of american music Kind of all at the same time You know my. My dad came to america in the seventies i was i was born here And so what that means is you know. I didn't learn about the beatles from my dad. When i when i was a kid going through his record collection. He didn't have one for me to dig through I learned about the beatles when i was in college the same time that i was listening to jay z. At the same time that i was discovering the new jersey punk band And so like all of those things kind of into the same context Which which is sort of how is always experienced music or popular music at the same time. My dad is a poet or the poet he performed shady Which is Which is how you referred to that Publishable he is yeah. He's a published poet He goes by the pen. Name of saddam He has he has a. He's a book of of or do poetry. And you know that's always been a part of my life and it's beautiful And you know or the poetry is mostly Mostly spoken And so there's a rhythm and cadence to it. That's that's sort of the most fundamental part of how do poetry is structured And so that's always been kind of around me but no one would have called that music until Until i started making music. I guess you're al. Last american is a collage of stories about growing up and straddling the pakistani culture of your family In america would like to highlight one of the tracks or two sure Let's see i think the easiest thing you know this a few I would say wise men in the fool is very much about Straddling cultures Seasons change without permission is a little bit about my relationship to my dad Brave is definitely about straddling cultures Photocopy is is is about being an outsider and kind of looking in and kind of trying to understand your own role in a culture not Rebel song is is definitely how about that About that idea of just sort of kind of deciding whether or not you can live your own truth and what that means refugee. Is you know. Just this story about What it means to leave home. You know and i think that that that's a perspective that wasn't necessarily being told In the story of kind of muslim refugees or refugees really any kind kind of fleeing strike for poverty and income coming to this country. So i wanted to write a song about that. I think i think. I think there's a way that you can construe all of these songs to be a little bit about that that. Divide so you. Identify your music as supersonic folk. Yes it can you tell us a bit about. That is the new job. Well i. it's it's It's a descriptive. Applies in vodka of the sound. That we're creating. I think at the heart. These are these songs And you know it's important to me that these are american folksongs There's lots of reasons for that but the first is that like in in the us american folk is very And it's very white centric you know and it's about An appalachian tradition. And it's it's about guitar and this whole kind of stop and holler americana thing But in all other art forms folk is it's about you know sort of self taught art right and it's a way for people to inaudible their own lives And so from my perspective. This is a a first generation american. Someone who who's kind of been asked to be an outsider or sees himself as an outsider staking claim to that title of american folk But because because of that context of what what the rest of american focused their requires a little bit of qualification and so this is getting back to widow sort of talking about earlier. Where were you kind of synthesize you experience music a little differently when you're an immigrant or when you are first generation american right Near your your context begins when your parents arrive Or when you first arrived in this country when your story begins in this country right so for me. This sort of musical context. In which i'm creating folk music begins in the seventies through today but it's all it's all experienced at once and we were trying to synthesize that perspective in to a sound I think some of it we succeeded in others can judge whether or not all of that comes across. But that's what we're trying to do in this of profile of of music And so there's there's a certain swagger that that That guitars have. And then there's a there's there's synthesizers and there's funk r&b and and kind of all these things that are sort of happening at once that we were trying to Tell story with. Your music is compared to Is out of misnomer. Combined can see it. Oh yeah absolutely. Absolutely i adore springsteen. Yeah i mean there's there's mythology in music right And butte and bruce springsteen is is one of those kind of mythological characters in in pop music and and he he has the ability to tell very small stories in hap- slightly huge epic proportions right the like he changes the scale of your life in the midst of a song And so you know discovering bruce springsteen was was a huge moment for me and he's definitely he remains a big influence perfectly proud to have grown up in new jersey and claim him as my own under other artists. Youtube was a big. It was a big influence for me. a kind of rediscovered. Music is a period. When i was when i was a kid actually didn't listen to music at all And then kind of early high school Youtube had released All all that. You can't leave behind. And i love that record And i've heard on the radio and had to go by at night. I love that record And that was sort of a way back into to music. But then there's there's teagan and sara who. I adore as you know they're just i think some of the best pop writers on earth If ever get to work with anybody wanna work with them. and then there's you know going in high school. There was this whole kind of culture of new jersey. Punk bands. The gaslight anthem And then as i got older kind of discovered motown and those marvin gaye and michael jackson and the jackson five That is like those are my touchstones i would say The killers are big. One to those are definitely my touchstones. It's all about this like the scale in the cinema of at all surver- coming up to listen to your first track color of the sudden that was released october. Two thousand and twenty Can you tell us what the story is about a love song or in inner turmoil about the situation. Yeah so this song. Where i you know when i play this live. I i kind of say that this is little bit of This is my world view. This song is is a is a Synopsis of my world view. Which is i want to live in a more compassionate world and i acknowledged that compassion is very hard that and that's and that's really what the heart of the song is about I i had you know my my road to becoming a solo act. A solo musician was a little bit winding. But i found myself in a community of songwriters in new york And you know there's so many wonderful songwriters in new york city Who who who. Who songs have the power to just you through whatever it is you have to be going through and so so. There's there's people around me who songs i had lived in And in some ways this song began as a tribute to them and ultimately like in the recorded version. The lyric references. These these other songs was actually cut just because it made the song a little bit more focused but it began in this in this kind of recognition. That is a lot of borrowed courage. in other people's music you know someone can sing a song and it can. It can get you through a moment. and this song was sort of acknowledging that that. I'm taking that from other people and i'm grateful for it and in spite of that You know. I find myself lacking In achieving this this thesis of of wanting more compassionate world because because it's really hard And so when we when we remove that reference. I think it became a lot more focused and so what lives on live on. The record is is this. You know lament about wanting to be better and recognizing that you're always failing being better wanting is is a big part of getting better right so So that's what the song is. Allie can you give us an introduction to the song color of the sun he. Yeah absolutely So i have a friend. He says there's two kinds of songs one is poetry and the other is bad journalism in journalism. Being you know this is something that happened to you and the song is actually It's a it's a. It's bad journalism disguised as poetry And by that. I mean you know. There's a bridge the song that says Is ringing in my ear. That just won't go away and it keeps me awake at night And that's a reference to you. Know i actually have Pretty severe tonight's our tennis is pronounced which is which is a persistent ringing in your ears. That goes back to an injury that i had Once again at at a at a at a party fourth of july party this time and someone of those little like gunpowder snaps heathrow at the ground you get him at fourth of july parades in they make little popping noises Someone through one of those at my head and it blew up near my ear. And from that moment on. I've had i've had this ringing in my ears Which for anybody who. Who has this will recognize that this. This can be a very very stressful condition. I also have fairly significant hearing loss in my left ear. So awesome introduction to ask the truck. We'll come back to talk to allie about his hearing loss and how it affected the music just so now we're gonna listen to color of the sun of how lignins v boo. Some straight loss were senior. Can't hold it in mind And so the people you lost as you on your own added stories on on you. Every night live and businesses you know where myself timing look. Uh-huh to have you here. Affected would be very challenging if wanting to create music. Well it so. That was the challenge. Is that for a long time. I didn't think that i could continue on my path as a musician. Because i was worried that i couldn't hear you know the truth of whatever it was doing i mean i i had to. I had to reevaluate my voice. 'cause i couldn't hear my own voice the same way that i had previously 'cause it wasn't just the reigning but but the hearing loss itself rank. I lost certain frequencies so the the sureness that you have in a pitch is no longer what you remember it right so you have to kind of re learn all of that kind of muscle memory And so you know being a songwriter kind of always looking for meaning in things. No it took me years to get to the song but but but i sort of liked that idea that like the things that you that you care about our hard-won right And if what i care about is is wanting to be better and wanting to be more compassionate Then maybe this condition This kind of constant pain. is a symbol And i can use it to whatever. I want it to be right and so now it's a symbol for me is just a reminder that that i'm not the most important thing in the world and i can care about other people so you an event Last christmas on december twenty fifth. It was quite a collaboration with other artists. Yeah so this is An evolution of a tradition. That i have so i. I'm muslim and my family doesn't celebrate christmas per se. We don't really have a holiday this time of year. But for as long as i've lived in new york and had friends new york. I've always known that there are people who find their way here and around the holidays Either by circumstance or choice aren't able to go home or or or unwilling to go home or for whatever. Reason are kind of orphaned on the holiday and so every year i would host. You know christmas dinner or more. I would decorate the house. And i i you know i i make a big meal and invite really anybody who was left behind and we'd have kind of christmas dinner at my place And this year being twenty twenty and they're being pandemic. There are a lot more people than usual in that condition where they're sequestered home and maybe is a link for eight or nine months And for all the same reasons. I can't i can't have this party that might normally have i can't have this dinner So i i kind of enlisted all of my or many of my musician friends to come join me on this broadcast that we could just have on and it would be on for five hours on christmas day and anybody who's home alone or or really just home in didn't have anything to do kind of feeling disconnected left out would have something real An holiday seemed happening right now that they could they could connect with and engage with And so that's that's really where that came from. And i'm grateful that i have so many very very talented musical friends who who are willing to join me in that in that effort because Because i think a very very wonderful thing for you too. Thank you it. It felt good. It was a lot of fun. You livestream two for five hours different locations. Yeah so i'd set up Just kind of you know i have. I had like a portal and then everyone kind of call in almost zoom call and everyone time slots that they would come in and do their half hour set and introduce them and You know i would say thank you introduce the next artists and and you know they would all they were all kind of streaming in from from their own homes but it was live and you know there were hundreds of people commenting and we all kind of engage at least online in a way that almost felt like a live show and almost felt like a little bit of a festival But it was. You know i. It was just A way of trying to help people feel a little bit more connected In a time when when nobody's really connected with the underground music collective at appears to be a very supportive interesting group. Can you tell me that more Sure yeah So that is the brainchild of one. Gerard longo And i think it began in lehigh valley where he was living at the time and he just wanted to showcase local artists because At the time you know i i was a i was the front man of a band. Called the new bedford's we were based out of new jersey And there were a lot of really kind of interesting punk acts. bans a Based out of new jersey in northern pennsylvania And he took it upon himself to an show up at every tiny gig that every pant that he heard about And then you kind of created a a media platform around which To talk about these events and it's sort of it's it's always great to find someone who just like wants to go out of their way to champion independent musicians right And he then moved to nashville And then in nashville has kind of grown his platform into a kind of a bigger bigger thing in terms of influence and the amount of people who are exposed to it And now he has other collaborators. Other writers work with him So the underground music collective kind of grown into just a really great resource for independent artists and he and i have been in touch for years right so with a new bedford's broke up and You know. I wasn't doing a whole lot of public work until relatively recently in the second he kinda caught wins at this record was coming. He wanted to hear it. He wanted to review. He wanted to to listen to everything and he wanted to to help us. Get our music out there. And so he's he's He and the rest of the folks at the underground music elective are really a great resource in highly recommend Anybody who's trying to play this game of being a musician and being public act Look them up and through. This there was the livestream in october of last year. They gave you support in the making of the last american. Do they not. Oh yeah absolutely So the last american You know i get to put my name on it. Because i wrote all the songs and and all of that but there are An army of people who kind of went into helping me create right. First and foremost is my producer. e w harris who Was also part of that holiday livestream. He's a great friend And he was a friend long before he was my producer but I met him in new york city in this kind of open mic scene and then later in what we refer to as big city folk which is a songwriter collective new york city and he became my one of my kind of great co-conspirators In in making his he's kind of He served champion my songs and was able to help me build this album With with the vision that we had for it You know there's dan saw he. He taught me how to play guitar. there is now connolly. Who kind of is at the center of the wheel at so many of these big city folk events Who's always been kind of a mentor to me Also great friend But yeah i found this community in this community kinda came together for me on this album And they keep doing it. And i adore them for it. And i'm there for them to still hack driven the collective. Yeah yeah I mean again. He runs he runs the show. And i i support him in any way that i can and really what he wants. People like me to be doing is is making music Which you know. That's that's what we're trying to do And and you know if we can sort of be a resource to other musicians. So they're kind of like private private facebook groups for for Musicians connected each other and Collaborate or or give each other advice. And you know. I'm i'm kind of. I'm on those forms as well has been more active Yeah i think. A lot of bands have been struggling with kind how to reinvent their their presence their identity in a world that's that's all digital right and so they've definitely been conversations about how to do that And and who's doing it well and who isn't. And then the underground music collective has kind of gone out of their way to partner with venues in nashville to create Streaming shows And the converted. What used to be an in person. Showcase into an online showcase which a lot of off of venues have taken that route But they're just you know they're trying to create opportunities for for smaller independent accident and they're doing a great job. Allier track the little picture a us release with your south and repeat land made the unc fifty twenty twenty impactful songs from an impact on year list. How did you feel about that whole out. Yeah so ruby is. She's one of these. She's she's she's young one of these Songwriter that you find in At a at these open mics and song clubs in new york city and i met her at a big city folk event And she she's a great guitarist and she has youthful beautiful voice And i had written this song. Little picture about a lot of things. But one of the things i've written about was just sort of like generational reef right this. This idea that a lot of friends who were either becoming parents are trying to become parents or struggling with the idea that they were now parents might. This was the stage of life. I was then. I read the song and you know it's a hard thing and i think a lot of times. We don't get to acknowledge how hard thing that is And i'd heard ruby singing these songs like so many of us do about kind of the complicated relationship that we have with our parents And so when it came time to record this for for the album I wanted to bring her in. Because i just i think. Her voice is a great counterpoint. to mind It's like it's almost the polar opposite character. The her voice has relatives of mine. But also i think it like sort of added a different perspective right like she's singing the same lyrics than i am But because it's her voice in because of her music. I think it gave the song sort of duality to perspectives. Being sung into the thing at the same time. And i think that was a really special Track because it's also one of the ones on the on the record that has the least amount of production right. It's really just just an acoustic guitar. our voices and a very very subtle kind of electric guitar. Piece sort of floats over the background. Right and that's it whereas there's other songs on this record that have a ton of tracks a ton of instrumentation a ton of this thing's gonna flying at you from from different directions in the song was just as a stripped down his naked as we could as we could bear On this record so From from From composition of view. I just i just love being able to get her voice on their inhabit. Means something to me and also the she makes song you know. I think it's it's just that much more beautiful with with her on it And for for for the Declared as one of the fifty most impactful things that just you know this is my debut record right and no one. No one has really consumed a lot of my music before now And said to be on any kind of this. Like that is is really. It's really moving Right because you know the second anybody's like a cool check this out You know it's one thing that's your friend but it's another thing when someone saying it's like no in a difficult year. This is one of those songs that we turn to Because they matter to us and so that like what else. Could i ask for as a as a as a writer as musician. Condition coming up for listening to attract rave very brooding all toke track. I can tell us about about this. Oh yeah So this song. I think this is one of those songs that a lot of muslim americans might identify with. It's a difficult song a little bit. You know because it's dark and it's quiet and it's like you said it's brooding but It's about in. There was a moment in in public life where it felt like there was an was a new crisis. Every minute a new disaster a new bombing or shooting or something. And there's this sort of terrifying reaction that Miss americans are trained for at this point And one is you know. Immediate reaction to to something horrible happening is oh my god. That's horrible right But the second reaction that is happening. And you don't want to talk about. Is i hope to god that whoever perpetrated this horrific thing is not a muslim because the second the name comes out my life changes again or becomes more difficult or someone so becomes At risk right and so. This song was a little bit about that The shame of that of that reaction and recognizing that i don't just get degreef This horrible thing that. I also have to be on guard of of how people react to to my existence because of this horrible thing So that was the the big part of it but the song didn't really get completed until Was twenty sixteen. Yeah swing sixteen because That was when donald trump was running for president for the first time And the dnc had a you know the convention happened Visser sean gave a speech and it was the first time that i can remember in my life seeing anyone that looked like someone who might have been my dad or might. Have you know one of the people that i grew up. West occupying the space of of american heroism. And if you remember the speech but it was it was a very powerful moment And i think a lot of messiah americans who were kind of conscious at that time. We're eight attention and saw that meant a lot to them and so The back half of the song sort of dedicated to him and walking. That's incredible Depiction of what songs about. So now we're going to listen to brave another dose of distant On tv Another show of shame that a very very this has nothing to do with me. I have so much someone's darkest another flag across my vegas Remind the fear of known will never go with this one as nothing to do with me. And i have much to uh though. Don't you sweat it. Some people get hit not the way it goes because it takes. What it ticks. When you want what you want but you sir. sledded go. That's word regretted when you know that the price is too much to pay. But you've made anyway then. The devil won't settle the legend sabih stranger. We've been all this time Is there somewhere we can run to live the rest of it and this has nothing to do with me and die so much to Now don't you sweat it. Some people get hurt. That's the way it goes because it takes what it takes when you want what you want but you want so jealous. Let it go deer. That's what regretted when you know that the price is too much depite but anyway then that the devil ledger today The voice we always seem to brown saw instance Fine oh with the alley. That's my favorite track. The helpful a twenties like this. I was like. Oh god. I love those And i let you know. Both tracks are on my playlist on spotify. It's beautiful. thank you so much that that means more to me than anything else. thank you. But i'm very picky. But what. I call malysz I love that. Because i listened to it when i'm working think it's my personal playlist. I'm not doing it for any other reason. Except to promote the indian the site date needs to be brown. The what future projects jab line After this album well it's hard right because we're we just released it and we're still trying to get people to listen to it and discover the record discover me And it's it's a little bit. I think a lot of artists are struggling with the right because we don't know what the next couple of years look like. It's a bit alarming. We we. I want tour Because i have this romantic idea about music as you know as a as resonance And wanting to find belonging which is so much of what this record is about so my my my ideas that i should be able to play this all over this country in wherever wherever i find people respond to it i can belong there and the more places i played in the more places i can belong the more. I can have some ownership over over this thing. That is being american So i'm not giving up on that. We're still going to tour and we're still gonna figure how to do that. We just don't know when In the more immediate future We're we're trying to figure out how to do some more interesting live shows You know as hopefully as vaccines rollout as case numbers go down. Which isn't where they are at the moment but hopefully You know that creates options for me getting the band back together and kind of Doing live shows with with more instrumentation. Than i've been able to do in the past so that's the sort of kind of immediate thing. And then there's already a next record right like their songs that are gonna wind up on whatever the next project is but i'm not quite ready to commit to win. That's going to be just yet. I'm not for still still in the thrust of this. You're going to organize anymore livestreams. Oh absolutely absolutely yeah. I think In january Which realizes when we're airing. I'm announcing a kind of more regular series of live streams and hopefully I i think that'll be. It'll be more fun for me because the holiday stream was was really fun It was also like a learning process right like a way to just engage with a community. That was a little bit different and not necessarily what i was expecting But i think a lot of people enjoyed it and engaged with noaa. That was interesting. So i'm gonna one of those things that i used to do. You know it's a secret Was i used to host house concerts at my apartment. You know To try and showcase the artists that i thought were brilliant And i think the plan at the moment is to is to set up a series of live streams where or. It's a little bit of that round. Kind of you know i'll be performing sat Because i'm because i need to be doing that in in in playing this music and telling the story And we've been crafting a show around. What what these songs are but to also be able to kind of extend that platform to other people i think is just. It's interesting smart. Lets me connect with musicians and people that i miss on before we go. Allie can you tell us Where best to buy. Download your music. Sure yeah i mean you're you're welcome to stream it. On on spotify apple music tidal deesor. Whatever your platform choices if you want to buy it You can head to band camp and all of that is accessible at my website. Which is streetlight. Shaman dot com. Thank you for joining a positive having a chat with me. I really enjoyed our talk and the depth that goes into your music is just forget insane. I love it. I love your music before you came on the show. I'm loud like a fan thank you. It's it's nice to be able to The dig into it a little bit as it when you write. It feels crazy when you're when you're trying to put so much into something Because you're not sure anybody's going to hear it but it's nice to be able to talk about it these fat. My background is english lahser. I've made a writer for forty years. I write poetry songwriter as well I have a daughter. That's a poet So i really appreciate the what you do and the lyrics that you're writing and the music you're putting out as an artist to an artist's i appreciate it's amazing. Thank you very very much. thank you. Allie blisters tune into ali. Aslam listened to his latest tracks from the last american album. Color of the suburbs and brave. They are out now. So thank you all for listening in today. Next episode on february the fourth jared harper joins us from san fran in the style of indie act of rock but not exclusive to. He creates piece of work. That the audience can relate to jared halpern. Is an acoustic style. Singer songwriter own arranged in san francisco. He racked up over six hundred thirty thousand views on youtube after appearing on season. Eighteen of voice. Jared harper is an upcoming artists. We need to feature on the buzzer in so catch at the pot. On february fourth on air indie from ipad to yours over the airways subscribe or at the buzzer pod. Dot com cheers.