Day 1,127: Trump is mad Dems know Russia is meddling to get him re-elected
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So they know our show sent you that simplisafe dot com slash our tonight blockbuster reporting from the New York Times and others that Russia is already interfering in our next presidential election and trying to tip the scales for trump's reelection further they report. The president fired his intelligence chief for telling Congress about it was Roger Stone. Trump's political adviser for decades receives his sentence and a stern lecture from a federal judge but his smile upon leaving court might've been a preview of the kind words he then received from his friend of over three decades Donald Trump and about the democrats. They held a two hour knife. Fight last night while insisting it was a debate the question that awaits them. Twenty four hours later. Will they attack the incumbent president with some of that same energy as the eleventh hour gets underway on this Thursday night? Well good evening once again from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York Day. Eleven hundred twenty seven of the trump administration leaving two hundred fifty seven days to go until the twenty twenty presidential election and we begin tonight with sad word. That funeral services are pending this evening after the death of outrage earlier today outrage officially died of exhaustion though buoy at the very end by the one bright spot the realization that it's close relative apathy survives and is thriving we are obviously taking some poetic license here to underscore the gravity of the story. That broke late in the day. I FROM THE NEW YORK. Times later confirmed by. Nbc News The Washington Post and others. The headline is the Russians are in the midst of tampering with our next presidential election. More than that. The Times reports the effort is to tip the result to Donald Trump. The campaign they say will include tinkering with this year's Democratic primaries getting Americans themselves to spread mistruths and divisions and casting doubt upon close elections and recounts the worst part of this reporting may be the reaction of the president upon learning that Congress had been told about all this and here we quote from the New York Times intelligence officials warned House lawmakers last week that Russia was interfering in the twenty twenty campaign to try to get president trump reelected a disclosure KONTA congress that angered Mr Trump. Who complained that? Democrats would use it against him the day after the February thirteenth briefing to lawmakers Mr Trump be rated Joseph Maguire the outgoing acting director of national intelligence for allowing it to take place more on the outgoing part in a moment. The report continues. Trump's cited the presence in the briefing of Representative Adam Schiff the California Democrat who led the impeachment proceedings against him as a particular irritant. The Washington Post First reported the Oval Office confrontation between trump and Maguire. In the wake of all that trump yesterday indeed fired the acting deny McGuire removing any hope of getting the job on a permanent basis and installed Richard Grenell as the new acting deny Grenell is the current U. S. Ambassador to Germany. It's a job plans on keeping while serving as acting deny he's been a vocal supporter of the President. Happens to have no intelligence experience earlier on this network former. Obama. Cia Director. John Brennan expressed his concerns about the new man. Zombie somebody who is this loyalist trump? Who is going to oversee the seventeen th intelligence agencies? Is he going to filter information? Is he going to shape? It is something that I think. A lot of professionals in the community and now looking at with a very very worried expression tonight a trump official is telling NBC News Grenell Not Serve. As acting director of National Intelligence for long and that the president who backed this up with a tweet moments ago will nominate a new Director Soon. Possibly within days this all comes a day after the. White House ousted. A top Pentagon official John Rude who pushed back on efforts to withhold aid to Ukraine and they have reassigned national security aide. Victoria coats the target of a whisper campaign accusing her of being the anonymous author behind that scathing New York Times op Ed of old. The White House has denied that rumor earlier this week. Though trump claimed to know the identity of anonymous I know who to tell you that I know all about anonymous on another front trump's longtime friend and advisor. Roger Stone was sentenced in federal court today just blocks from the White House. Judge Amy. Berman Jackson gave stone three years and four months. He was convicted last year of lying to Congress and threatening a witness in connection with his efforts for trump's 2016 effort stone is the sex trump associate to be convicted in a case stemming from Robert Muller's investigation. Today's sentencing follows intervention in the case from none other than the attorney. General William Bar. He got involved in the case after his boss complained publicly to is seventy million or so followers about the recommended sentence. During the hearing the judge told stone he quote was not prosecuted for standing up for the President. He was prosecuted for covering up for the president and the president for his part had this reaction to the sentence. And I'm following this very closely and I want to see it play out to its fullest because Roger has a very good chance of exoneration in my opinion what happened to him is unbelievable. They say he lied but other people lie to and now to the thought that that all conjures tonight some trump advisors telling NBC News if the President Indeed decides to pardon Roger Stone. They want him to wait until after the election so he doesn't risk turning off undecided voters in swing states all of it a dramatic departure from the way our government has conducted itself on matters of National Security and justice which the Democrats mostly avoided in last night's debate. Let's bring out our front four tonight and because of tonight's news we're going to extend our conversation here a bit. Peter Baker Chief White House correspondent for the New York Times who spent four years as Moscow bureau chief for The Washington Post Philip Rucker Pulitzer Prize winning White House. Bureau chief for The Washington Post Co author along with this post colleague Carol Lenin of The New York Times bestselling book a very stable Genius Shannon pet EP senior White House reporter for us at NBC News Digital and Frankfurt Lucy former FBI assistant director notably for Counter Intelligence. And Frank gets because of your. Life's work that I'd like to begin with you. You read the journalism out tonight. What is being alleged about the Russian effort and it sure? Reads like this ballgame. Frank Robert Mueller special counsel told us when he testified on the hill. Brian it's happening right now. He said it in his written report after his special counsel inquiry the last actual denied director of National Intelligence that we had Dan Coats. Put it in an annual report. Said this is the new battlefield political social propaganda and cyber warfare and yet the trump administration has done absolutely nothing and now the trump administration reportedly is on notice and the the lawmakers that we put in office are on notice. They can no longer use the defense that they use previously. You didn't tell the president he didn't know why did you start an investigation without telling him that defense is gone and also my position is there's likely federal being broken here how well we indicted a couple of dozen. Russians for doing the interference in two thousand sixteen. There's crimes being committed their social media. Fraud cyberfraud hacking. Something is going on to aid. The Democratic primaries reportedly and so if lawmakers and the president do nothing about it having been on notice they are essentially aiding and abetting Russia. It's time for them to step up and do something Peter Breaker. Here's a couple more breathtaking quotes from your newspaper. The Russians have made more creative use of facebook and other social media rather than impersonating Americans as they did in two thousand sixteen. Russian operatives are working to get Americans to repeat this information to get around social media companies rules that prohibit inauthentic speech the official said and the Russians are working from servers located in the United States rather than abroad knowing that American intelligence agencies are prohibited from operating inside the country the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security can with aid from the intelligence agencies. Peter do you have any evidence that Washington has as a community absorbed the clear and present danger to our next presidential election and forgive the snark. How will we know when they do? Well what's striking about? It is that rather than being seen as a threat to national security seen as yet another partisan issue. This intelligence is warning this concern about what's happening from an exterior any is filtered through the political battles that we have been so engaged in these last three years rather than coming together. The two parties are seeing it through the lens of who gets an advantage. President trump complain about this being briefed the house because he thought that the Democrats would weaponize it. That's the term he used weaponize it and of course. Republicans on the hill. Who heard this breathing? Some of them questioned the authenticity of it. Saying that in fact that perhaps it was over rotter overstretched in fact that this is not what's really going on and that's a real problem for a country to respond to an external threat when its internal divisions are so stark. That can't even agree on what that threat is Shannon petty piece. The word acting is back in the news. It's the now first word in every big job title. Imagine how site. The Germans are tonight most prosperous economy in Europe to learn that our ambassador to Germany is going to be spending his free time as acting deny in charge of our overseeing our seventeen intelligence agencies so likely not for long at least that's what our reporting is indicating that the administration is actively looking to try and find someone to be a permanent nominee and they could have a nominee that they can send over to the Senate within days but of course we have heard this again for example Homeland Security has an acting director of Homeland Security and it was months ago that administration officials were telling me that they were just days away from getting a permanent nominee that could give to the Senate But one thing the White House is trying to do because Rick. Grenell has gotten a lot of criticism because of his lack of experience in the intelligence community. They are trying to send out a message there that this is only something temporary. Were still trying to look for someone on a permanent basis and there is a sense that we've gotten That and now the reporting from a from from my colleagues at NBC and from The Washington. Post The New York Times that this departure of Maguire the previous acting DNA was expedited a bit because of this Oval Office briefing which could mean that. The White House was caught a bit flat footed trying to find someone to replace him. Because of course as my colleagues are reporting this briefing that was given to the members of Congress Sunday net pushed McGuire out sooner than expected so I will see. We're being told within days but we've heard a lot of things are happening within days and Phil Rucker of course as part of your huge body of reporting on this president people have borrowed from the Catholic Church to use the term original sin. And what they mean. Is this angry reaction. Were reporting on again tonight. The president lashed out at the hint. The whiff of a story and its dissemination that may speak to any sort of illegitimacy about his election or illegitimacy about a hoped for in his case. Second-term Brian the issue of Russian interference has haunted donald trump since before he even took office it was during his transition after the two thousand sixteen election When he really retaliated against the intelligence community for the assessments the conclusion of all the US intelligence agencies that Russia had in fact interfered illegally in two thousand sixteen election and that they had done so to try to help boost. Trump's candidacy trump felt that that finding that assessment from the Intelligence Community Somehow de legitimizing his election or threatened to do so Was a knock against him was a sign that maybe he didn't win entirely based on his own charisma and his own strengths as a candidate Which he has believed and so he refused to believe that intelligence conclusion he He was asked repeatedly in the early months of his presidency. if he would acknowledge affirm what his own Intel agencies said an and he would never really fully do so and then we of course remember that summit he had with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki Finland Where he he took the Russian president at his word a very strong denial as trump put it That Russia had interfered in the election. And so this issue has dogged trump. It's haunted him and to this day. He is still trying to rewrite that historical narrative about the two thousand sixteen election even as we now learned that Russia's actively trying to interfere in the two thousand twenty election again as we set our front four have all gladly agreed to stay with us. We'll get in a break here and continue our conversation and when we do more on this evening's breaking news including a look back at Republican reaction the last time the Russians dipped into our presidential election. Plus we'll talk to the former lead prosecutor on the Russia investigation and get his take tonight and then later to veteran political reporters on where this twenty twenty race stands on this day after the bloodbath in Las Vegas as the eleventh hour is just getting started on this consequential Thursday night. Welcome BACK THE NEW YORK. Times reporting that trump's allies on the house Intel Committee his fellow Republicans challenged intelligence officials conclusions. That Russia is already right now again. Interfering and our presidential election this time with the aim of helping Donald trump the times reports republicans argued with straight faces trump has been rough on Russia and strengthened European Security. You may remember that. Intelligence officials also pushed back from. Republicans back in two thousand sixteen in his book the apprentice Washington Post Reporter. Greg Miller writes that before the two thousand sixteen election and this was an incredible scene then. Cia Director John Brennan briefed Mitch McConnell about Russia's efforts to help Donald Trump Miller wrote it this way as Brennan moved through his talking points the Kentucky senator expressed no alarm about what Russia might be doing in the US election and instead accused the CIA director of playing politics. You're trying to screw the Republican candidate. Mcconnell said on that note back with US tonight Peter Baker Philip Brooker Shannon Petty Peace and Frank Figliuzzi and Frank Again. A nation turns. Its lonely is to you. We have some really good people among our viewership. They work hard play by the rules. Love their country when they go to vote just the once unless they're caucus-goers Iowa or Nevada. They like to thank. That's going to count that there won't be any shenanigans. They like to think that this is their act and there's alone who they see about this news. We are repeating tonight and how overwhelming and depressing. It is the clearly the answers are not gonNA come from Washington on this from this administration. The insole agencies are going to do everything they can but they have handcuffs on because of this administration so it has to come. The solutions have to come locally. Brian what I tell people when I speak to them in groups or one on one is you need to demand answers from your local registered voters. Your State County initial registered voters are going to be paper backups or not or are we relying entirely on four private companies that make all the machinery for voting in this country with one company holding a sixty percent market share of all voting equipment. We need paper backup those private companies that make that equipment you know. They they tell you when you buy their equipment. We have great stuff but you should really use a paper backup so demands and get the answers you need. Call Your elected. Representatives write them. The answers are GONNA come locally on this but you know what we're on notice now after nine eleven we had terrible terrorism attack and tragedy and it was a whole of government approach instituted an entire agency. Dhs We had a color coded system to warn us of the threat risk. That was coming. We're at that high threat risk right now but we don't have that whole of government approach it has to happen with us and at the local level. That's useful frank and thank you Peter. Baker Mr Figliuzzi says nothing casually and he just dismissed all of Washington DC as a possible solution in this. Let's think about the kind of centrist national security as we used to call them. Republicans like Blunt Portman like Collins. Are you expecting anything from them? Will tonight be any different for them. Having read this journalism then yesterday was then tomorrow will be well. That's a great question. Look you know. The Republicans of course have been in this very awkward position in which their traditional skepticism of Russia. Something that has been a foundation of the party going back. Decades has been challenged by the leader of their party or the leader of their party. Of course Has Spoken of Putin in a very friendly terms and a narrow challenge him in a personal way whenever the two of them together. Now president trump will tell you he has a very tough policy on Russia and it is true. The administration has taken a number of actions that would be considered be tough on Russia including sanctions including expelling diplomats and so forth arming the Ukrainians But the message comes from the top and the top has always said this president has always said that. He wants to be friends with Vladimir Putin and he's always found ways of giving Barracuda the great the greatest credit and deference when issues of dispute come up the Republicans have largely gone along with this but not always they have at times stood up to him and said no. This is not right. They pass sanctions in two thousand seventeen over president. Trump's threatened to veto it against Russia. They have at times told the president that they think that he needs to be a little tougher on Russia. But I don't know they're gonNA break with him in a very public way after this what you may hear them say expressions of concern about interference in the election by anybody but they won't target the president for not standing up enough at this point. I think that that's something that Is Not where the party is right now. Shannon petty peace. Let's talk about the Paul. This will now cast as it was designed to do over the entire political season. We will cover on this network and from the studio. I can't tonight give you the results of Iowa. Wish I could. We don't have them no one saying it's Russia just some form of American incompetence. The Democrats say they may give us same day results from Nevada and then we get into really meaningful primaries and in the Times reporting they say the Russians are going to try to muck up the Democratic primary season. So talk about the Paul. This will cast well. I mean to your point. We are certainly capable of messing up meddle in our own elections without any help from the Russians. But it's this interesting irony here. Where a president trump was worried that Democrats would use this information about Russia trying to assist him in his reelection bid to hurt him and yet what he has done is assisted. Democrats in that effort by essentially firing or pushing out his director of National Intelligence over at a briefing on this to make it look like he's trying to hide intelligence and cover up intelligence and and dampen down any possibility that Russia could interfere in the twenty twenty elections of the president's really only exacerbating the negative perception that this brings from his actions like we have seen him do throughout his administration. So you're not helping himself in this situation and then yes looking to the Democratic field because one of the warnings that trump's advisors have given him. I know over the years is well. Maybe they helped you the Russians in two thousand sixteen but they might not always be on your side and maybe they're going to meddle in things in the way you don't want so if there was some disinformation campaign out there by the Democrats that could put up a nominee. That wouldn't necessarily be the person. The trump campaign would like to face off against so that's the broader threat and all the different threads that this administration needs to be thinking about and Phil Rucker. Finally the Roger Stone's sentencing today. The federal judge in the case spoke forcefully and strongly to the defendant but then we heard from the president again in your vast body of reporting on this president. How should we take the words he says in public when we're wondering what the outcome might be in this case a potential pardon? Yeah well the the state of play at this hour Bryan is wait and see. It appears that the president and he's admitted as much as very open to issuing part in for Roger Stone who he considers a longtime friend Political supporter his former. Strategist for many years. And he believes stone was wronged By the What the president likes to call the deep state conspiracy against him in this Russia in Russia investigation? We should keep in mind. That stone was actually convicted Guilty by a jury of his peers. So this is not he. He's not you know being sentenced to prison by any intelligence officials That said the president is considering the part and he wants to wait a little bit until this process unfolds. We need to wait for the judge To to do a couple other actions before so and actually spends his first night in jail and I think well we'll see at that point whether the president's going to issue a pardon but he's certainly seems willing to do so and if he did announce it tomorrow morning it would not surprise anybody and while we still have you thanks to journalists. Zeke Miller and Maggie Haberman for passing along presidential pool reporter Katie Rogers. Tonight trump says representative Doug Collins is under consideration to be as nominee as permanent director of National Intelligence. Zeke Miller ads. If this happened it would avoid a bitter primary in the Georgia Senate race and so it goes our thanks again on. This consequential Thursday night to Peter Baker to Philip Rucker to Shannon petty piece to Frank Figliuzzi. Coming up for us after another break. The former lead prosecutor in the muller effort response to tonight's breaking news that Russia is at it again. Is this In your investigation. You think that this was a single attempt by the Russians to get involved in our election. Did you find evidence to suggest they'll try to again attempt to they're doing it as we sit here. We might listen to him back then and back with us. Tonight is the man who was among his lead prosecutors doing their Russia investigation working under Bob. Muller he is these days a distinguished senior fellow at the Nyu School of law. We welcome Andrew Weissmann back to the studio. I have to ask you about tonight's lead story. It is beyond disheartening. They're already in the game. Virtually unfettered with the added advantage of screwing with the election Arcadia of the Democratic primaries. As I ask Frank Figliuzzi. Who Do we see about this? And why isn't this ball game so it is something that we've known a lot about and I think the main issue is how the country is going to react to this. It at some point. People need to react to this as citizens and not as partisans I lived in. You lived through nine eleven. We witnessed the World Trade Center being attacked in the Pentagon being attacked and no one sat there and said is it hurting. Democrats or Republicans. We react to it because it was a foreign adversary who attacked our country. We're we're under attack now by the way this is not the Robert Muller report that says so this is a Senate Intel report. That was bipartisan. And at some point people have to not just say who is it helping or hurting whether it's helping or hurting a Democrat or Republican because it's hurting our country so I think that's the fundamental issue is that people have to not look at this through a partisan lens anymore than you would have thought of nine eleven as a partisan attack or Pearl Harbor for that matter. What could we have been doing in your view and knowing the insides of this as you do that? We clearly haven't been doing so there are two indictments that were brought by the special counsel's office that lay out in considerable detail how the Russians hacked and did something called active measures and that gives a roadmap for ways in which we know that the Russians will act and has acted and part of that involves the Intel community and. There are certain things that you wouldn't discuss on public. Tv because you don't want your adversaries know how you're going to work. Their activities and part of it deals with things that involve our tech companies and really making sure that companies like Google and facebook and Yahoo are working with the government to make sure that they are not unwittingly being used to attack our country. If formidable federal judge spoke some forceful words in a courtroom today in sentencing Roger Stone in reporting it we get to the last sentence and that is the ongoing question slash likelihood of a pardon from the president of her words today would survive a presidential. Pardon so I think there's a lot that she said. I think one of the things that I took away was that she really took on the issue that this was a political prosecution. And she said you know. This defendant was not prosecuted because he supported the president. This is a defendant who was prosecuted because he was covering up for the president and I think that does make it harder for. Somebody's thinking of pardoning somebody I think that most Americans like to think that the pardon power is something that's going to be used to promote equal justice and that the people who get that pardon are the most deserving people not people who have the best to access to the president. I think that's just a question of equality before the law so I think that that's something that I think her words. Hopefully we'll have some effect. You've made the positive decision to spend a good deal of your professional life working for Uncle Sam. The as we used to say the home team. Yes how's your outlook these days? I thought one thing that was really interesting today for the Department of Justice. Which obviously there's it's been very hard for a lot of us but I think one thing that was fascinating today is at the career prosecutor who is assigned to stand up in court after the four prosecutors withdrew or resigned. Actually when push came to shove was asked by the judge. What is your position on a whole variety of issues? Do you support the bar memo? That went in or do you the original meadow and time after time he said. Oh No I support the original memo the one that was withdrawn actually stated the law and the FACS correctly. So Kudos to him. When directly asked by the judge over and over again? Was there anything wrong that those career people did he stood up for them? And you're west. Thank you very much for spending time with us again. Coming up for us. Twenty four hours now post-debate one candidate's campaign has more than five million dollars richer almost enough to pay for the broken bones on stage last night when we come back. Hey it's MSNBC's Chris as this week on. My podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking. With the Hilarious and brilliant writer Daniel lavery about his new book about life as a trans man growing up and eventual Household and the thing that I was so grateful to all these trans people in my life for was this like. We have all tried this. No one will ever be able to tell you to your satisfaction. If you are or you aren't you can try to chase that dragon but there will not be that moment so you can investigate these questions further. You can consider the options that are available to you. 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Her campaign has raised over five million dollars. Just since last night's debate with Bloomberg among others back with US tonight Robert Costa National Political reporter for the Washington Post Moderator of Washington. Week on PBS. And Aaron Hanes is here with us in our New York studio ten year veteran of the Associated Press editor at large for the nineteenth a nonprofit nonpartisan newsroom focused on gender politics and policy that launches this summer. So happy to have you. I'd like to begin with this question. How did last night in your view change this race if at all? I think we've seen it pay off for Elizabeth Warren. Quite literally right. I mean she's raised five million dollars because she came out within the first two minutes. You saw that handled by Nano Four. She was taking a straight to Mike Bloomberg but it wasn't just him. It was every single candidate on the stage. She wanted to make the case to her supporters. Who frankly she's been telling on the campaign trail that she was a fighter and last night she went from her sister to pugilist on that stage and I think it really worked out for her Robert. Costa the under side of that is blue on blue friendly. Fire two hours of it on a day where thanks to your newspaper in. The New York Times. We have journalism tonight. Reminding everyone of the center challenge that the the Democrats Face Democrats look at what happened in two thousand eighteen in the midterm elections and they saw suburban gains across the map. And they're hoping that if it's Mayor Bloomberg or Senator Warren or Senator Klobuchar Mayor Buddha judge the democratic establishment types in my source my notebook. They say that's the way reelection but the sanders allies say he's leading the polls right now and if he can gather together a populist movement across country. He's the one that's the divide and that's the question that hasn't really been answered by these debates in this Democratic primary process. What's the real path as you say to answer the ultimate question for them how to be president trump? Let's put up. The MONMOUTH poll numbers. That have to do with California monmouth. Of course a great New Jersey name of focusing all the way west to California and Aaron. There's you know there's Sanders at twenty four the Non Sanders fans in the party. Point to the middle numbers as being the true core of the party. Where do you come out? Do you just look at a number. Like that. And say Bernie's running away with it in California period stop. No candidate has run away with any of these contests so far right. We haven't had any decisive victories in any of these early states yet but I think that what does matter. Uc's you see folks bunched up the number that I look at its undecided voters because every time but I'm on the ground there is just such a significant number of people who are still undecided right up until the eleventh hour you know they are going into the ballot box making a choice which for as long as those of us who are obsessed with this have been paying attention to this election. I think that we're surprised that people maybe don't have their minds made up yet about a candidate but I think that there is so much kind of anxiety Especially among Democrats about. Who is the best candidate You know who is rep position to beat President Trump November? They want to make the right decision. And sometimes the fact that they've still have so many candidates in the race it paralyzes him. You know to actually make a decision so you know while I think that Senator Sanders certainly has momentum. I mean after winning these early contests. He's looking very strong headed into Nevada this weekend and we'll probably do well in South Carolina. We have to say that he is the current front runner. But but with out. These decisive victories winning. You know nobody's one by more than thirty percent in any of these contests yet and so without that I still think it is. This race is very much up for grabs and Robert Costa half a dozen Democrats on stage last night at this stage of the game. They're allowed to be in it for themselves. They're all in it for themselves. Knowing it's survivor one person ultimately gets to go forward Does the field in your view narrow after Nevada? And if not certainly do you think it'll narrow? After South Carolina South Carolina is essentially coupled with Super Tuesday in early March which is just a few days after South Carolina on February twenty-ninth and see in South Carolina a reckoning for former vice president Joe Biden. And he's been leading polls there all year. His team believes that could give him a bounce into Super Tuesday and let him assert himself as the moderate who could take on sanders for the long haul but if he does not perform well in South Carolina that gives an enormous opening to Senator Warren Mayor Buddha judge or Mayor Bloomberg to come into Super Tuesday. Fourteen states and say vice. President Biden didn't win over many African American voters in the way he wanted to in South Carolina and as much as California's the prize for many of these contenders on Super Tuesday. It's also states like Arkansas and North Carolina and Alabama. Were you also had like South Carolina? A majority African American voters in the Democratic Electorate. And that's GonNa be the test that's going to win this race down an almost every source I talked to in these campaigns. Believe this race likely becomes a two person or three person race by early March. I always say campaigns run on twitter catering and jet fuel. The third of those jet fuel seems to get extra expensive after Super Tuesday. Our thanks to our two friends to earn. Hanes for being here with us in the studio and Robert Costa from Washington. Thank you. We'll be seeing a lot of you as the campaign goes on coming up the revealing new profile of the president of the nation's first president that guy from a decidedly different angle. Not Unlike this picture this is what George Washington warned about when he said farewell after leaving the presidency he warned about foreign interference and he warned about the rise of factions or parties. That would support nate. The national interest partisan interest. Few people are better. Read in American history and Steve Schmidt said that on this network just tonight. Here's what George Washington had to say back in seventeen ninety six and we quote. The spirit of party opens the door to foreign influence and corruption. Which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of Party passions? He goes on to warn ambitious and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government our next guest has been digging deep into the founders fears of a decaying democracy historian. Alexis Co is the author of and I don't get this reference. You Never Forget your first a biography of George Washington. It's a great pleasure to have you. There is a military industrial complex in the business of history-making that sprung up around George Washington of which you are not a part. Tell the good people watching how you differ and go ahead and warn them what they're GONNA learn about. Gw The man not the bridge when they buy your book. I didn't set out to write a biography on George Washington. I'm a political historian and I usually read two or three biographies conversation at the end. I have a great understanding of the man as has been our presidential history as far with Washington. I didn't feel like I understood him. At the end everyone would start out and say oh. He's two marble to be real. I'm going to humbly endeavour to come out and then proceed in the exact same manner and a part of it was there was a veneration a reverence for the subject and there was also a defensiveness and it seems to go through stages taking boxes and when. I checked the primary sources You know sort of check a lot of claims that seem sort of Hanky to me. I found that they simply didn't exist or misinterpreted or just things that people were repeating over and over again over the years. They were citing secondary sources. And so when I want to write a biography on our founder and to join this very crowded bookshelf. I sort of did away with everything that I knew in just tried to open my eyes to his entire world and what concerns him. And that's what I feel like. I stayed really close to on a daily basis. What was George Washington thinking about writing about in his letters? Not what I want him to be doing. But what is he really looking at you along the way? Share your homework you along. The way will stop and say to the viewer in effect. This is where this account will differ from the Lion Ization Industry. One of my favorite quotes many favor. Washington's most iconic image his rigid and gloomy face on the one dollar bill but most prefer a painting that shows his whole body because his thighs drive them while the firemen as I came to think of these kinds of biographers over the years are a decidedly size matters crowd and it does matter that his biographers have been white. And male almost exclusively. I'm the first woman historian in over one hundred years and the third woman in some total journalist and a novelist wrote about him before and it just simply shows you know if they have talked about a woman's thighs we would be up in arms and I think we need to apply those rules to everyone. It seemed really odd that they spent so much time on his body if he wasn't furthering our understanding of Washington breaking him out of this marble mold and so the thighs were sort of odd. Just the general performance of his body. I don't get me wrong. His body was incredible but what it went through and what he made his body door. That's what I'm interested in I. His thighs are nice. But you know so. We're Hamilton. Give people just a whiff the idea of what the death scene is like. If you're not familiar with American history and what passed for medicine in that era. Here's a hint. There's nothing good bleeding or a blistering can't fix the worst thing that could happen to you in early America. If you're sick is for them to call a doctor. The person was usually not exclusively a doctor. They did other things. Several doctors were called. But the most immediate person was an overseer and this is also Washington's I don't want to say it's his fault but it's sort of peak Washington because they want to bleed him and he insists that he should be blood more he can take it over and over again and just everyone does the worst things to him molasses so that he practically chokes they give him dire radic. Spanish flies. You name it. They did it to found out how that ended of. This is a challenge to all the Romantics about American history watching tonight and I think that's what the author intended to the Historian and author Alexis Co our. Thanks again. The book is called. And I don't get the reference you never forget your first. Thanks very much for joining us. Appreciate a coming up. Move OVER CISCO MOVE OVER EGYPT Ebert. I'll get it right. We'll explain when we come back. It's about that guy last thing before we go tonight. Donald trump has come out against foreign influence at least when it comes to the Academy Awards. This is from his rally tonight. Let's just say he wasn't a fan of parasite or Brad Pitt. It turns out by the way. How bad the Academy Awards this year and the winner is a movie from South Korea. What the Hell was that all? We got enough problems. South Korea with trade top of it. They give him the best movie of the year. It was that good. I don't know I'm looking for like let's get gone with the wind. Can we get gone with the wind back sunset boulevard off so many great movies? The winner is from South Korea. I thought was best foreign best foreign movie. No who is the? Did this ever happened before. And then you have Brad Pitt. I was never a big fan of his. He got upset. Little Wise Guys Wise Guy. He's a little wiseguy. The distributor of parasite the superb South Korean film with subtitles which won for best picture. 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