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Hey kelly welcome to the ringer podcast network season two of h._b._o. Succession is back and the ring chris ryan and jason concepcion are here to give you the latest this and boy family drama every sunday night. They'll be breaking down what we just saw on our new show called number one boy's succession after show you can tune in live on the ringers twitter sure every sunday night right after the episode ends. I'm shawn fantasy editor in chief of the ringer and this is the big picture a conversation show with myself. Amanda dobbins is on vacation and so right now we. We're doing a very special mailbag episode. I won't be quite alone. I'll be joined by bobby wagner. My producer will be throwing some questions at me about the year and movies and movies in general the history of the oscars and all the things that you wanted to know about i want to say i appreciate the depth and thoughtfulness and also desire to make me make lists so they came in these questions. I'm really flattered by the way that people are engaging with the show and i'm really enjoying doing it so this means a lot. Hopefully it will be a fun thing for us to do especially in an absence. I'll try to get as many spiders takes in as i can while she's gone and without further ado bobby you want to jump right into these questions sure let's do it. Let's do it all right. First question. Brian wilson asks now that midst mar and once upon a time have been released. What is your top five films of the year. Look like so far see. This is what i was talking about. Everybody everybody wants you to make a list solidifies brand when you ask for a mailbag guests so top five films of the year so far. I'm not gonna put them in any order because i don't really know and we're not even at a sort of a three quarters turn yet. You know we haven't even rebound to cross. I guess the two-thirds mark of the year in not any order. I think you're wise to put once upon on a time in mid. Some are in the question brian. They both would definitely be there. I'm still chewing on both them. Those are two movies. I've i've seen twice. I probably will see them both the third time this year. That's how you i know when i'm really in love with something. If i go to see it a third time in theaters <hes> in addition to that definitely souvenir which amanda and i have talked about on this show in the past which which is sort of growing in my estimation i finally got a chance to catch up on rebecca mead's profile of joanna hogg in the new yorker which i think in may before the release of the film and just a fascinating portrait of a person who's having a really really unique career as a filmmaker and the fact that she is now making a second souvenir the souvenir part two in this time of overwrought i._p. I find to be a hilarious decision so i'm really looking forward to that. What else besides those three those are locks. I would say they're certainly a case to be made for toy story for which i greatly enjoyed and rapper villain. I discussed on this show at length. There's certainly a case to be made for rolling thunder view the bob dylan martin scorsese documentary that i just inhaled. I quite liked american factory as well well which is a movie that is not quite out yet but it's going to be out very soon on netflix which he'll be able to stream if you're subscriber to that service which is a documentary that chronicles the life cycle of a shuddered american factory that is reopened by a chinese corporation and hires american workers. It's probably one of the most hosts sophisticated provocative looks at life in the american workplace that i've ever seen so. That's on my list right now bobby. What am i forgetting. What are what are some movies that i've gone completely over talk about on this show over the top on the show. I mean you. We all like to last blackman in san francisco. I don't know if that would really crack your top five but in terms of like cinematography that was that really stuck talk to me yeah that was beautiful. I like that. I like that in the farewell or kind of operating in the twin. I have a lot of admiration for this movie twenty four brand where i liked them a lot. I certainly i understand why they have been two of the rare examples of kind of small scale releases that premiered at festivals that have been able to do a little bit of business <hes> a lot of their. You're one of their brethren in their in their sisters have not done quite so well in the marketplace so i have admiration for those movies. I don't know if i am. I am passionately in love with them. In the way that that i am with some more the the farewell i just saw this past weekend didn't get hit before this but i'd be very surprised if that wasn't at least nominated for best original script yeah yeah. I think there's a strong chance there and there's obviously a lot of history with the kind of film like that autobiography biographical. It's not lulu long's first movie but it's your second movie <hes>. It's obviously crossed a lot of boundaries. It's reached a lot of people who would normally get historian so i. I think that's a reasonable bet <hes> i have. I have a scoring system that i keep 'cause. I'm crazy persons since i've got this big document full of all the films that i've seen this year. Let's see how many i've seen by this moment that have been released in this year one hundred and sixty eight so one hundred and sixty eight movies forty eight of these movies have gotten three stars out of a four star system. I'm probably being a little too generous with my scoring is what i've learned so i'm reluctant to put any of the three three star movies on this list. Everything that i've mentioned thus far is either gotten three and a half or four and the only two to get four of course amid some are in once upon a time in hollywood so that's it's the best i can do with answering that question. Those long winded yeah. Did you mentioned her smell. That was your number one with. I take it back also has three and a half stars and yes that would be on my list too. I mean that is almost a sure to be a top ten movie for me yeah before the year is out but we'll see where in the top ten it lands shuttle with moth shoutout elizabeth ma certainly former guests of the the big the big picture okay question number two from dawson. How did you feel about the movie wild rose and do you think the buzz for jessie buckley as potential best actress nominee israel. I don't don't think there is buzz made up. The bus is giving the bus is maybe dawson is a is a burner account jessie buckley. Who is an actress. I quite enjoy and who i whose praises live song on the show. You may have also seen her in her noble. This season <hes> where she played the woman whose husband was badly burned in internal disaster. She's she's an incredible performer. I think i have seen very few performances in which an actor is as good at acting as they are at singing when their character is a singer <hes> she's really. It's a it's a it's a very it's a fine movie and i don't mean that in a pejorative sense. It's it's it's well-made. It's nice. It's kind of uplifting. It's not kind of steal your breath away quality but it's very good and she of course is wonderful. I think it's more star making than it is oscar buzz that being said if the best actress race this year is a little thin and they find a way to kind of burst through and get that little small denomination for her. I think that'd be fine. I'm i'm not i wouldn't bet on it though if i were you what's next for her. Where does she go from here. I don't know should we look at her i._m._d._b. I don't really know what she's got lined up. I mean she's she was in a film in twenty eighteen called beasts which was very well received and she's done a lot of t._v. Work in the u._k. <hes> she is irish and one of the interesting things about her role in <hes> while roses that she's she's thinking scottish person so that's some that's some rare <hes> accent work that you don't always see <hes> <hes> it looks like she is going to significantly be a part of <hes> a fargo season for next year which is kind of interesting. She's also going to be in judy. Which is the forthcoming judy garland bio pic starring renee zellweger and and she's got a little movie on here called the voyage of dr doolittle. Do you know anything about the voyage of dr doolittle bobby do not although that's quite a title so this film is directed and written by stephen engaging who you may recall from syria <hes> you would think that the guy who wrote and directed syrian. We'll be making dr doolittle movie. It's the first movie starring robert downey junior since endgame and and it's ostensibly a remakes reimagining of the dr doolittle fable which was a musical in the sixties starring rex harrison that is about a doctor talk to animals behind the scenes. This is thought to be one of the most complicated productions in recent hollywood history. <hes> this movie started filming a longtime ago. <hes> it's it's been under various stages of re-shoots reimagining over that time. I don't know a whole heck of a lot about it. It was first announced in march of two thousand seventeen so we're now almost two and a half years into the voyage of dr doolittle process <hes> some cast here. Yes we read it off. Tom holland robert downey junior ramey malik michael sheen jessie buckley emma thompson ray fines antonio banderas and then wait look marion cotillard and selena gomez john cena so one thing you got to keep in mind here is that more than half of these people are just doing the voices of animals yeah john cena for example will be appearing as yoshi who is a polar bear <hes> octavia spencer academy award winner will be portraying in dab dab who was dying so you know this is how hollywood goes forward. This is how theatrical releasing hollywood happens. We have to make the voyage of dr doolittle doolittle a two hundred million dollar adaptation of a movie from the sixties and no one likes anymore starring the biggest movie star on the planet as he is deceased as iron man and featuring the voices of john cena rami malik and kumail nangiani heck of a time so for jessie buckley. I dunno. I mean she's the only character on this list that does not have a character name which means maybe her role won't be significantly cleanly big. I like her a lot as an actress though <hes> grant andrews asks are there any upcoming films that no one really knows about like just mercy from destin daniel cretin that <hes> might have a chance at best picture well. That's so hard to say. There are a lot of movies that are in development or being shot or in post production that could would come nothing in development but things that are being worked on at the moment that could come along. There's this movie called wendy. Are you familiar with wendy bobby. No so <hes> ben-zion is the writer and director of a movie called wendy which i believe went into development. Maybe four or five years ago. This is the guy who made of the southern wild in two thousand twelve and in this movie which is being produced by fox searchlight is nowhere to be found. I just don't know what's going on with wendy. It is one of the longest in development movies of all time now if when he just shows up telluride which i don't think it's going to but if something like that were to happen immediately the guy who may be the southern wild has a new film and maybe it it finds its way into the oscar race. I don't really know anything about this movie but that is the kind of game that you have to play when you're doing this likewise movie i'm very interested in is called waves which is a musical all of which i believe stars lucas hedges and sterling brown a certain came around and comes to us from trade results who <hes> famously made krisha and and <hes> a horror film two years ago for twenty four and is a very creative thoughtful guy who operates almost entirely at florida. I don't really know what's going on with this movie except to say that i'm interested and if it comes along and it has a la la land like energy. Maybe it's meaningful another movie coming from fox searchlight nomad land. This is khloe zhao who you may recall from the rider and who is directing the forthcoming marvel film internals. She's got this movie which will star frances mcdormand that is based on a nonfiction book. There was released earlier earlier this decade by all accounts. It sounds interesting sounds like it could be meaningful. I don't really know anybody who knows when it's coming out or what stage of development it's an presumably khloe. Zhao has moved onto a terminals or is about to so i would those are three kind of random ones. <hes> there are some others that we just don't know a ton about but we know are coming. The laundromat matt directed by steven. Soderbergh is a movie that i don't think many people have seen that is about the panama papers and you know that's kinda got the profile of a movie that could be a big oscar film stars meryl streep but it's going straight to a streaming service. It seems like soderbergh's a very experimental phase of his career so we'll just have to wait and and see what happens so that's my best my best three or four examples of things that we we don't see coming now. Maybe some of those movies don't come out until twenty twenty three. That's that's also in play. Yeah you mentioned lucas. Yes hedge. What say you about honey boy. Briefly <hes> haven't seen it yet. Okay can't win this of course is the autobiographical story of shabbat life in which shiloh above plays his own father and it's about a young actor going through the stages of development and having some success in having some troubles some trials those who have seen it have told me that it is a very powerful and intense film bobby. I think you've seen it yeah. It's extremely intense and it's also like a dual timeline film so lucas hedges playing i mean i guess like twenty something shiloh above and then there's a child actor whose name i can't recall off the top of my head but he's playing younger child. Stars charlotte buff and shi'as is performance. I think a lot of the questions have been shown going to be nominated. <hes> what and you know frankly it's hard to say because on the one hand i think there's been a long-term understanding all all the way going back to his days as the star of even stevens and holes all kid stuff connex stuff for my generation connex he that he is like a sincerely passionately talented onto performer viewers of project greenlight may recall his role as the star of the film that they made in the first season of project greenlight and he just he has a magnetism the actor that you're talking about by the way ah plays young otis is nino joop which people may recognize from quite <hes>. Oh yeah no would you very good actor. As far as shy though you know shy is the sole writer of this film and i think people will be impressed by his brave nece in putting the story onscreen he is you know he's a problematic dude. Though you know he's done a lot of things in the past whether they be comments that he's made or things he's been accused of or legal practices or accidents or the way that he's operated inside of big studio projects that have put a little bit of controversy around him. <hes> i'm sharing this kind of a value neutral way that may become trying for him as he goes into an oscar campaign. It's really hard to say because we're once those things would be deemed <hes> an opportunity to overcome overcome struggle now. They may lead to someone like him. Being quote unquote cancelled so i don't know yeah. I guess i mean only a couple years ago. Gary oldman one for portraying winston churchill chill to problematic dudes. I think the thing that maze maybe more of a hangup oscar wise is that like the oscars don't always want this much honesty in their films and this film is very honest and he's portraying his father who was <hes> emotionally and physically abusive to him when he was a child so i don't. I don't know if that might fly. It's definitely not a feel-good oscar great movie. No though it is the kind of supporting performance that is usually recognized you know if lucas hedges is not recognized. It's possible that shy himself will be because the wanna reward that kind of that raw portrayal that he's going for but you know as i said i have not seen the movie so it's a little hard for me to say yay or nay what's next <hes> a lot of people ask this question so this is from andrew july and many many others but <hes> they wanna know they're interested in hearing what you've learned if anything from your project of watching every academy award best picture nominee omni in history which you've mentioned a few times on this podcast as well as a few times on the re watchable so what did you learn. I've learned that i learned two things bobby one. There are a lot of fucking movies have been nominated for oscars a serious endeavor for you. I don't know how you did it i done. I'm not going to claim to be done. Hundreds of films nominated for best picture. It hasn't hasn't helped that. They've increased the number of films that are nominated for best picture now <hes> i the other thing i've learned is that most of these are bad and the what we perceived to be a great film has changed a lot over time but the thing that is unmistakable is that the oscars have always been political and i don't mean that in the sort of republican and democrats sense ends of the word i mean that in terms of what gets spotlit at award shows and why and the fact that there has been machinery behind films forever there the studios and the people who work on the margins of the industry that work hard to push for awards. It's evident when you look back at some of the <hes>. Some of the nominee is now. We've spent a lot of time on this show and on the rewatch ables griping about illegitimate wins or things that we would do over again or what have you what we don't account for is the kind of the small mall stuff in the middle. You know like let's let's choose a random year and analyze the best films from that year so in one thousand nine hundred eighty one here the films that were nominated waited for best picture chariots of fire atlantic city on golden pond raiders of the lost ark and reds now. I didn't have to rewatch any of these movies or i oh. I didn't have to watch any of these movies for the first time when i was embarking upon this. I'd already seen them but what happened. What's happening inside. That fivesome isn't interesting microcosm of hollywood at the time right. You've got a a very stood sort of serious british historical drama which won best picture. You've got a french tours kind of cd steamy me <hes> romance crime film. You've got on golden pond. Which is this treaties on aging. You've got raiders of the lost ark which is like a whiz bang entertainment even very classical throwback and you've got reds which is a deep historical american epic and you know nine hundred eighty. One is a very interesting thing year in movies. Are those the five best. I don't know i mean this is the senior. That stripes was released. This is the same year that time bandits was released. This is the same year. The cannonball run was released arthur superman too. You know it's it's a very complex collection movies and what you realize is what i've realized really the going back and trying to watch all these movies is not necessarily good use of my time because it's not necessarily telling me about what hollywood was at that time. What it's telling me is what the oscars was and that then then requires a second level of investigation so i think i'm just learning that <hes> all things are political. That's my big takeaway. That's fair. The era of twitter <hes> so be mac wants to know beam ac venezia. Can we have a brief mid. Some are spoiler discussion as listeners of this podcast will recall we had a spoiler free ish episode episode featuring chris ryan and the director reactor <hes>. He wants to know your thoughts on the ending because they didn't get in the spoiler free episode so it's been like a month right. We can despoilment tamar. I guess if you don't want to hear my thoughts on the ending of this movie just just bang that thirty second button. I guess go forward jump ahead. I don't wanna be labor knbr too much. You know obviously. I thought it was brilliant. If it's on my top five of the year so far less i think that our aster has a very distinct sense sense of the comically absurd and i found particularly the last thirty minutes of the movie to be very funny and very twisted in a in a knowing way and whereas i thought the final couple of minutes of hereditary were pretty funny i thought the whole day numa of of <unk> mar to be like pretty much a comedy now a grotesque protests and elaborate and certainly ridiculous comedy but you know if people are asking about if be mac is asking specifically about kind of that final moment or florence pew looks at gazes into the camera and her stone faced look you know turns into a bit of a mona lisa smile and then we get this feeling of exaltation from her her. I think that that was appropriate about for a movie about a toxic relationship yeah i did. You have any reflections on bobby. Well i mean you pitch it to me a few different times as has <hes> a relationship test and i actually ended up seeing it with my significant other who said afterwards if that's a relationship has for you you might not in the best relationship well. That's why that's why i said that because i do think that there will be people who will walk out of that movie who were on like their eleventh date and they may disagree about how they feel about that move. I can't imagine being on a date with him. I don't know that well with that movie. <hes> i think what you said is right about the movie about <hes> the last twenty ish minutes being thing <hes> actually rather comically absurd. That's a really nice way of phrasing it. <hes> i don't know if there's probably a lot of crossover between listeners of this podcast and the twenty four podcast but are yesterday's conversation about making that film with robert eggers who made the lighthouse. I don't think that's how it yet but i'm seeing it today. Wow well big day big day <hes> their conversation about just his mentality making that film wyatt's this follow up to hereditary the blending of genre how he keeps getting asked about genre <hes> fans of that movie we should go listen to that episode of the podcast. Yeah i agree <hes>. I also really love the one film i've seen from robert eggers. He made the which <hes> those to spend a lot of time on that podcast is talking about ingmar bergman which i find funny because <hes> i don't sense a ton of bergman in the tonality of their movies i i sense it in the sort of austere quality some of the way that they fill movies but and there is a kind of hysterical nature to some bergman movies but it's different and astor the person that he has cited did not just on this movement on the last movie to as being a significant influence that is really resonate for me is albert brooks and albert brooks operating especially early albert brooks modern romance romance and real life those films and the heavy dose of satire that he's putting on those films feels of a piece with where he's going <hes> so yeah i i loved midsummer. I thought it was extr- an extraordinary act of creativity. I think he is a bit of a ghoul in a good way ari. I think he knows that he's kind of trying to haunt people a little bit and i think he relishes that even though if you've heard him on the show you know he's just like a very kind guy fun guy to talk to you about movies. He's got his his eyes on some <hes>. I think i think some big things i'm very. I'm very excited to see what he does next yeah. Visually that movie is unbelievable. It's one of the best i've seen on any screen ever ever totally <hes> alright. Let's jump ahead <hes> evan cunningham. What is your level of excitement for adam drivers to new movies coming this year the report and marriage story and where is he in the ranks of best actors. There's word today. I know you're a big <hes> adam driver fan. I'm on the record about this. This is the best movie star that we have right now. That's my take now. I don't think that we define it in the same way that we would say brad pitt. There's all this brad pitt conversation station going on right now. Well round once upon a time hollywood. How even this character who is theoretically a very bad person has is so magnetic that were were judging the film based on his his aura uh-huh and i don't think that adam driver has the same kind of practical beauty and charisma that somebody like brad pitt does he's a little bit more of humphrey bogart which is to say that he is not traditionally handsome whenever he's doing things on screen you just can't take your eyes off him and if he's being a son of a bitch you're interested and if he's being sweet you're interested and if he is tearing the room apart as he didn't girls many times you're interested and if he is a dark lord you're interested and you know he's. He's very very very funny and another movie called the dead. Don't die. Which was jim jarmusch zombie comedy and you mention. He has a komo more than he's got a few movies coming out this year. I mean if we look back on what he's done so he obviously was oscar. Nominated for black klansman that was that was twenty eight hundred two thousand nineteen the man who killed don quixote a movie that kind of came and went even though it has all this mythology around it <hes> terry gilliam's long long long just dating story about got a filmmaker who is making a movie about don quixote and his experience with them thalji interesting movie not one of my favorites and then he's got. We've got the report. Which did you see that it's about did see at sundance indents so that's a forthcoming amazon drama about the c._i._a. <hes> we will get into that when the movie comes around. It's a little like a spotlight in terms of setting like you feel you like you're in an office in very confined just like the hard work that went into that <hes> happening within the cia and how much pushback there was <hes> you know correcting acting the record for zero dark thirty a little bit it does seem to be in conversation with that movie and it's that's from scott z burns who is a longtime steven soderbergh collaborator her and screenwriter making. I believe historial debut. I could be wrong about that <hes> and so. I'm looking forward to that. I i like a good docudrama. I like a good claustrophobic. Confined spaces brite telling of history. I'm i'm not immune to that marriage. Story is the one i'm most interested in <hes>. We'd amanda and i mentioned it on the show a couple of times. I'm obviously incredibly enthusiastic. Ask about noah baumbach work. I am also notably a child of divorce and i do love when a child of divorce makes a child of divorce film <hes> the comparison. That's been made to me by some folks who have been around the film is that it is his kramer versus kramer. Noah back of course went through a very. I don't know about a public divorce but he was married to jennifer jason leigh. Who's a public person and i think the film is in some ways <hes> you know at least iterating on the experience of going through something like that and it doesn't just start stars driver and it it stars scarlett johansson and it stars laura dern as a lawyer and people really want this movie to be a thing so we'll see if it's going to be a thing i i'll watch driver in anything you you know. Let's not lose sight of the fact that he's also going to be appearing the rise of skywalker which comes out in december ever heard of it so you know i mean who's who's better than this guy. He works with terry gilliam. Jim jarmusch spike lee no bound back and he's in a star wars movie. What more can you ask for from a modern star yeah. He's picking them up and put them down. If you want to divide the ringer podcast carr's office us podcast producers lake the most of his thing that's ever happened is is adam driver hot that question being posed to the room so <hes> will think on that for a little bit good news is. I don't have to weigh in on that question. You're not obligated to now by no means all right. Jordan eckerd asks for your top. Turn your brain off comfort flex so movies. You don't have to think about now <hes> but give you all the feels. I like the way that this question is phrased. It's different from the next question which i'll get into a little bit <hes> turn your brain off comfort flex your the three movies i wrote down. I wrote down anchorman get shorty in dazed and confused. Now i think get shorty is getting a little lost a time. Though it's a wonderful movie it's an adaptation of elmore leonard novel <hes> and it is different than i think most other elmore leonard adaptations we think more leonard and we think jackie brown or out of sight. There's something kind of cool and stylish and subtle and come steamy about it. Get shorty is more of a satire. It's more of a satire of hollywood. It's very pop. It's very zippy. It's got tremendous. John travolta rene rousso gene hackman and danny devito performances <hes>. It's got a great early. James gandolfini performance in it <hes> that's a movie that for whatever reason i owned it on v._h._s. and like nineteen ninety-five right in the throes of the john travolta revival. This is the first film i believe he made right after pulp fiction happened. He plays chili chili palmer who is a kind of a kind of a fixer for the mob kind of muscle for the mob but he also collects money and he's got a history doing a lot of different kinds of jobs and he comes out to hollywood after living in miami and there's just a rhythm to that movie that calms me <hes> anchorman. I don't really need to explain ackerman right. Anchorman is is well understood stood as a as a masterpiece that also doesn't require much brain were isn't in will ferrell's still doing t._v. Hits as anchorman. I think people are well aware of why that successful in twenty nine thousand. There's a ron burgundy podcast cast <hes>. I did know that actually if you've been a listener i have not i think he had kamla harrison last week so does he just i'm unaware of it as a concept what does he the what is the elevator interview people as ron burgundy presumably. Maybe i should check it out. I'm not into like fantasy pods. It's not really a fantasy pod because interviewing real people as themselves however <unk>. He's playing a character. I've got some bad news for you. This is a fantasy version of myself and for those of you who know me in the real world. You know that perhaps my podcast persona is slightly different now. He's like this all the time. Now it's not true and i wrote down dazed and confused i. I don't explain these things too much right. These are wonderful so there's this whole history of other kinds of movies that i've had probably that relationship to over the years aliens and terminator two things the teenage boys watch when they grow up in the eighties and the nineties. I don't re- turn to those things that much honestly. I don't do this that much. I feel like there's so much new work to see and i love seeing new things and understanding new things and we have never had an opportunity to see as many things as we do now for if you just pull the total sum that you pay for the most significant streaming services. Let's say it's three hundred dollars a year so for three hundred dollars hours year. You can have the criterion collection probably soon to be disney plus net flicks. If you just take those three things you could never watch one one thousandth of all of the offerings of those spaces so i don't have a lot of time to kind of re watch anchorman unless we're doing rewatch ables yeah. I don't do the shut your brain off comfort flick wamba myself. If i'm with friends. Maybe i'll do it sometimes and i did it a lot more like a routine in high school school with friends or whatever like going to bed just thrown role models or throw on super bad super battles making a lot of those dumb high school boy movies that you love. That's what i need to like. Maybe turn my brain off a little bit. Yeah and you know i'll i'll send a shout out to my wife. Who has something called kitchen movies which that whenever she is preparing dinner or or working on a new recipe project or baking something she just puts on the t._v. in the kitchen and it only goes on when she needs to watch kitchen movie her kitchen movies are so different from the movies that i would watch just yesterday. She watched in education <hes> she watches routinely the david lee movie briefing counter. She watches the before sunset sunrise trilogy all the time. That's a different different tonality than the kind of movie. I want on in the background when i'm trying to do something else so for everybody. It's different what's next so similar. What are some of your guilty pleasure movie so it's like a little bit of a different flavor of the question. Guilty pleasures don't exist bobby. That's not a thing that we subscribe to. If you like something you like it and you need to stand forward and say i i am guilt free and liking this thing hello this take in general. I reject the premise <hes> that said this person is named trae turner nader which as mets fans we don't. We don't recognize the that's why i didn't read it. That's not this come on <hes>. I will say that there is certainly a kind of movie that i like that. I don't feel guilty about but i think is trying to what trae he's trying to get at which is the sort of like faceoff broken arrow conair dumb action movie. It's the kind of movie that i'm not routinely invited onto for the rewatch watchable because no one wants to hear about the cinematography choices of those movies but i do have admiration for them. I do like them and i. I have a lot of fun and i love particularly shay. Serano is ability to make excited about those kinds of movies and you know. I think one thing that has happened to is let me positive theory too you know in the two thousands in music writing which is something that i spent most of my time doing back. Then <hes> optimism came to the fore the idea that popular music <hes> <hes> is not inherently bad and has a value and it has a critical value when we can understand the world a little bit better if we look at the totality of music through a similar lens and we don't just dismiss things out of hand because they are inherently commercial. I think that movies quietly are having it's popped moment and i think the ability ability to say you know what's really valuable is john wick. Yeah you know what's really valuable is some of the storytelling choices in endgame and the way that we are valorising popular movie culture in a significant way and i think that some of the things that we do here are contributing to that. I think is absolutely contributing to that the sort of high level engagement engagement sincerity and a little bit of intellectualism sprinkled on stuff like conair <hes> so i don't think guilty pleasures anymore. I think that that's a whole category that is kind of bunk. You wouldn't call katy perry a guilty pleasure anymore. You just say she's a person. I like or not like if the if you are living in two thousand nineteen <hes> the fact that that is going on right now is interesting interesting to me now. There is still a kind of <hes> movie that it's not necessarily reputable to say you like. I think it's probably mostly problematic ish movies but it like. I saw bright burn this year. Did you see that bobby. No i did not bright. Burn is a sony superhero movie. It's sort of like what if superman but he's evil and superman as a kid and we see the origin of a super powered young boy who breaks bad. It's a will name movie. It's a nasty bit of business. It's just a really tough violent and gory movie and the kind of movie that when i was sixteen i really loved and i still have a little bit of admiration for it. I think it's hard to you know step forward on social media and say the movie i fucking loved is bright burn because it indicates a little something a little cracked about you even e. and it's different than something like metsamor which is deeply artistic. <hes> breaker is more exploitative in a in a specific way with movies so i guess the data's is the closest that we can come to this kind of like modern guilty pleasure but as i said i don't really think that that's a real thing yeah your optimism point while taking the fact that i've read like ten articles in my life about gun fu which is like what they call. The fighting style of john wick absolutely just goes to show. I think that there's much more wide. Lee accepted critical thought about these types of things no doubt off. I think the concept of guilty pleasure movie kinda shifts on what the group of people who are around you right like i felt like top gun was a guilty pleasure for me at n._y._u. Which was ridiculous because that's not a guilty pleasure at all. It's a perfect movie but i think it depends on. Who's who you're talking to yeah. I think it's the way that we deem something useful. Invaluable has changed a lot too there for a time. I think a lot the people especially when they're growing up and don't necessarily know how this industry works as much think that the oscars is the barometer against which you measure quality and we know that's not turn now but i think as you get older and you see more kinds of films you see more foreign films. You see more documentaries. You see more things that are not necessarily fully commercialized. You have a different understanding of what's good not good and you can realize that the concept of unintentional comedy as it applies to topgun makes a better and it's okay to be excited about something being kind of bad because it makes makes it even better. I'm gonna have so hard for that. In twenty twenty speaking of that alan villa asks what is most anticipated twenty twenty movie for you rumor or otherwise plus. I wrote this down quickly. Here's my list last night in soho. That's garrett's new movie the lot of admiration for acre right does i think you're right is trying to do the same thing that tarantino's doing. He's he's trying to create an event at the movie theater and that was what baby driver wasn't even. If you had some problems with with baby driver he was trying to create a theatrical experience. It is full of energy so i'm very curious to see what he does there. I wrote down newark you familiar with newark now. I'm familiar with newark the place and unfortunately the international airport but not the film so i've never been to new york's not going to weigh in on it but i do believe that that is the current title and maybe they've changed the title at this point of the sopranos prequel. Oh okay yes. I'm familiar with that so this is the james gandolfini character tony soprano's father. I think is the significant figure in the story. <hes> this has been long just dating <hes> like most human beings. I'm a huge fan of the sopranos. I'm fascinated by david chase's career and everything he's chosen to do. I think david chase's last movie not fade away is he's one of the already kind of like lost classics of this decade. I wrote about it for grand back in the day and i really admired what he was going for and this is gonna sound like a strange comparison but i think it has a little bit in common with euphoria especially the ending of euphoria for season and the ending of this movie not fade away so i'm used this as a as a shadow to fade fade away into my interest in david chase couple of other movies. Here's a dumb movie that i'm looking forward to and it's called the gentleman this guy ritchie's movie at cinema con. I saw a preview of this film and even though it's not coming out i think until january twenty twenty and i'm just i'm all the way in i'm it's. It's colin farrell. It's hugh hugh grant. It's charlie hunnam just being dashing tweeden bearing drug dealer monster guys great and it looks in the vein of the snatch and lock stock guy ritchie which she has not been doing enough of lately as we know from our aladdin podcast other relevant figures in this movie include matthew mcconaughey henry henry golding who you may remember from crazy rich asians michelle dockery with whom i am in love from downton abbey and germy strong or number one boy just a a lot of handsome dudes going to be wearing tweed lotte handsome guys in tweet so that's <hes> late january twenty twenty. I wrote down nightmare alley. There's some news about nightmare alley. Which is <hes> komodo toro's next film his first film after the shape of water <hes> this movie is going to star bradley cooper. It's based on a novel from the nineteen forties. There has been already a an adaptation of this movie from nineteen forty starring tyrone power. This is a very twisted film about what happens inside of carnivals and tries to penetrate the world of <hes> conman and chicanery and it's going to be a period piece set in the forties and i'm very very excited about it. Even though i think you're on with oh toro has lost my trust a bit in the last couple years <hes> of also randomly when els the the invisible man. I think one of the more underrated genre stylist the idea of him doing a classical horror. Movie is interesting to me. I mentioned khloe zhao's at terminals as far as the the marvel movies that are coming in the near future that is by far the one that has piqued my interest the most there is now a bang up cast and he terminals full of very very famous people <hes> including angelina jolie and richard madden and camille nanjiani and a whole bunch of other people. I mentioned waves as well. I don't know one waves waves is gonna come out. It might be this year might be next. The trae results film also wrote down tiger tail which is alan yang's netflix movie which i don't know a whole heck of a lot about but i did really admire forever the the series the mini series that he made for amazon starring rudolph in fred arnesen and of course allen has appeared many times on the dave chappelle show and he was a writer on parks and iraq and he was a co ep and writer director on master of none as he's on sorry series just a greater and so i'm very interested to see what he does when he's got a everything at his fingertips yeah. I'm quite a fan of the wholesomeness of his storytelling. In many different occasions is sincere fellow. You can tell yeah <hes> okay. Nick adams asks six and many other people asked us. What is your rewatch ables passion project that no one will agree to do so a little bit of inner working here at the rare that you're trying to lob before i. I honestly don't know i don't really want to do there will be blood for obvious reasons. I think that there will be blood is masterpiece of the twenty first century. I don't think that bill was opposed to it. <hes> i think the bills trying to cycle through every last damn michelman movie before we get a chance to do that which is fine gonna fire all the bullet out of the chamber. The thing is is if bill does black hat before i you get a chance to do there will be blood. <hes> i'm going to be very concerned about my future. You know that's just one of those things you know. Michael man is brilliant director and i admire great many of his films. I understand the desire to do the last of the mohicans and there's a handful of others that he hasn't done a final thing has been remarkable. I just there will be blood needs to happen and i'm waiting on that. I i've already created so many podcasts and content options here and at cranleigh in an effort to talk about there will be blood. I wrote about the tenth anniversary of the film. We did a two thousand and seven seven top fives podcast here. I just really love digging my teeth into that movie so that's that's. That's my hope. I don't think no one's agreeing to per se but that's where i wanna go a two thousand seven. The top fives podcast for you to talk about there will be blood is just like shifts kiss. You know my lifestyle okay here. A few different people ask about this. Schwartz is being one of them <hes> suggestions from the criterion channel. You've talked about it a few times. A lot of people who listen to this podcast probably have it myself included in it can be kind of wall of old movies that you don't know that well so are there a few that stick out or if you filmmakers out for you. It's so hard to do this because it's so hard to know what people are not familiar with. I'm always surprised surprised by some people have an extraordinary depth of knowledge about the work of akira kurosawa but they don't know anything about nicolas roeg right. So how do you decide what to say. You really really should watch this because there are certain canonical films that i think people are familiar with but maybe they're not the first handful that i wrote down where the red shoes powell and pressburger film and bicycle thieves leaves which are to significantly different non hollywood productions that are striking and sort of their beauty and their intimacy and their importance to the future of filmmaking and their films are from the forties and fifties and <hes> i would just plainly recommend those to any living person i would just say watch the reg dare you to watch the red shoes and not be moved then. There's some other things that are passions of mine that other people may be interested in or not. I wrote down there which is pedroia motive our film kind of preparing for painting glory his new movie coming up. I think there are six or seven almodovar's films on the criterion channel right now. I don't think he'd really do poorly to watch any of them. I wrote down the manchurian candidate which is actually a criterion collection. Blu ray that i spent hard earned money on because i i love that movie so much. It's john frankenheimer her. <hes> sort of espionage paranoia thriller from the early sixty s that is one of the most sophisticated complicated evocations nations of <hes> political insanity that you can ever see and certainly feels relevant to this exact moment. I wrote down aguirre the wrath of god which is one of the masterpieces astra pieces made by a former big picture guest verna herzog. If you wanna see klaus kinski going for it check out aguirre the wrath of god and then you know the one of the great things that the service does is they organize certain collections by director. I'm obviously obsessed with directors. That's why i'm talking to so many of them. On this show. I just done a handful that would be good. I mentioned herzog. I mentioned nicholas rogue who passed away earlier this year and who adam neiman has written about for the site directed movies like walkabout and don't look now performance <hes> the man who fell to earth i. I don't think you can go wrong with any of those movies. Those are all in the service. I wrote on carol reed families cavalry bobby. I'm not so carol reed's the director of the third man which is my favorite move. You've all time and he has a very underrated career. The third man which i believe is celebrating its seventieth anniversary in about a month is widely understood as one of the best movies ever made but he's got a few more that are a little bit under seen include odd man out in the fallen. Idol are the two that i would really really early underlying and i would also point out <hes> our man in havana which is a great alec guinness movie that also appears on the criterion channel so that's just a handful of recommendations and then the aforementioned enjoy a hog her three movies before the souvenir. They're unrelated archipelago an exhibition. I would say brace yourself for a kind of stillness. These are not the most active films homes that you can watch but they're really really precise evocations of people who have a a wellspring of feeling inside of them but don't know how to let it get out. There is a a high level of english repression happening in these films so if you're interested in that check out john hawkes movies. That's just a smattering of stuff that i quickly looked at and enjoyed. Are there directors actors that you have a hard time watching multiple of their films in a row like i watched there will be blood a couple of weeks ago and i was like i should really just go back and watch a bunch of p._t._a. Movies and then i went to go watch them and i was like i feel like i need to marinate. There will be blood for a little longer before i jump right back into phantom threat because you fine. It's better to unpack them. Yeah because i find i don't wanna be necessarily early. Making all the connections between there will be blood and boogie nights. Yeah i mean generally speaking. I don't do director marathons yes so i don't. I don't even really know why why that is. I think the only time i'll do it is preparing writes something or to do an episode of the show. Yeah what you do often do but i don't do it in a way where i sit down and say what i'm gonna do right now is watch thirty ingmar bergman films in <hes>. I it really depends on the filmmaker joy. It would be tough to sit down and do a joanna. Joanna hogg marathon for me because those films are so quiet and i. I like all other people. I'm easily distracted despite my desire to watch foreign films all day into watch slow cinema. I still see i can get really bored. I you know i and i think if you watch movies that are recommended and you're like. I'm really bored right now. That's okay. It's okay to feel that way <hes> but but as far as somebody who who'd be tricky to watch a lot of their films in a row well it's probably for the opposite reason you know if you look at say mike nichols mike nicholls movie has a world of pain anxiety operating just under the surface and you have to let it sit for a little awhile before you go to the next one so that's probably a filmmaker. I really like who i need to chew on a little bit after i've seen more movies. Today's episode of the big picture is brought to you by masterclass. 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The all access pass that's master class dot com slash big picture for for unlimited access to masterclass thirty dollars off masterclass dot com slash big picture all right. Let's jump to <hes> we had a whole category of tarantino questions that people responded with because <hes> once upon time in hollywood has been on the mind yeah uh-huh not some feedback from our most recent podcast. Some people said great job by you. I love you some other. People said fuck off and die so you know you're doing because you're doing it right all right. <hes> doritos asks love or is this aderito snow. It's not there's a z at the end out now. <hes> has there always been this type of discourse with every new tarantino tarantino movie or is this a new invention of this decade. <hes> this is normal <hes> it's amplified because we have social media now and we did not win. Pulp fiction came out but this is normal. I mean he's a provocateur and he's literally attempting to get a reaction out of you. That is part of his strategy actually talked about that a bit on quentin tarantino's feature presentation the show that amy nicholson did with him that you did as well and i don't you know i think that's great. Marseille's also a provocateur curse. I was also a provocateur or the best film. Makers are trying to get you to feel and to respond so i think that is he. Problematic aspect of this is also not new people have been adjudicating whether his movies are too violent island ever since michael madsen cut that ear off in reservoir dogs so you know part of the reason i think i was a little bit exasperated by the some of the commentary at around the last movie is because i just feel like we've done this before and there are few filmmakers can give me as excited about the work that they're doing as he can and so i think that while it's not the criticism is not illegitimate intimate. I just was a little bit bored by it. <hes> let's head to j. Merit asks tonight. He says china china agree. That lewis performance in once upon a time in hollywood is one of his best. You mentioned that that one on our review of the of the movie <hes> where do you think pits ranks among the roles that he played on this is challenging when you think pits performances is a little more of a cipher for how you feel about the rest of the movie in this right like louis performances objectively just unbelievable but i think it is kind of at more of the same speed as the film. I think that's fair. I think pit is not given as he's not plumbing. The depths in the same way that leo leo has to act extravagantly he has to cry. He has to wale. He has to scream. He has to doubt himself. Yes to be furious and delighted and scared. Pit is a is cool as lake placid acid. You know he is all on the surface calm. Confident maybe a little evil and so while it's an strong evocation of brad pitt stardom. I don't know if it's necessarily in his greatest performances. I think it's one of his greatest star turns and there's a big difference there. So how does it relate to something like moneyball. You know money while he was nominated for an oscar. I think he was very similar in moneyball. I think he was very calm very even keeled not going out of his way to do things. It's a little different from something like the assassination asian of jesse james by the coward robert ford where he's applying an accent. He's lost a great deal of weight. He is melancholy and mysterious areas and angry and he's. He's flexing a lot more muscles. <hes> i also think he's very very fun and something like fight club which may feel a one sided but by the time you get to the end of the film realize. He's doing a lot of different things so. I don't know where this fits in like his his long-term filmography. I think people will point to it as one of his great star turns which is really what his career has been about <hes>. There's always been a conversation about how he's a character actor hanging out in a leading man's body but i would argue that this is more of a leading man performance than anything else. It's way more of a steve mcqueen performance not a lot of dialogue looking cool all the time beaten up the hippies doing things that only a cool guy can do <hes> so it's it's in the top twelve but i don't really know what that means. In an oscars montage santosh of brad pitt's career at some lifetime achievement award three years from now or whatever what movie place i what is his most iconic performance that you associated with him. This is a very good question. Well it. It comes into phases. There is the legends of the fall thelma and louise interview with the vampire seven the era when he has a hot young ninety star and then there is the guy who receives a little bit from that stardom. I'm and takes on more challenging work now. I think the sort of most quote unquote respectable thing he's ever done is the curious case of benjamin button <hes>. That's the one where people will say not a fan of that movie. I it's my least favorite future <hes> but i do think that that's the one where he is going for the most as an actor and i think additionally inglorious bastards is probably one of the most well remembered movies he's made and has the most <hes> i think especially for people like us as he gets older and we start valorising him. We're going to point to a movie like that. We're gonna point to ocean's eleven point two probably movies like once upon a time in hollywood the tree of life. I can see being a factor here certainly moneyball since he was nominated. You know i think for some people they'll point to like world war z. or the counselor but i probably won't think i would point to ocean's eleven just him being cool as shit is just like that's what i think if i think give brad pitt even when i see him on the cover of a magazine or whatever when i'm checking out at vence yeah i mean that's it's always been part and parcel. He's been simultaneously feeding off of inamori against that exact thing his entire career which is what makes him interesting so kind of in the same vein true stories. I made up asks. Which actor do you think tarantino gets. The most out of so we talked about brad talked a little about a little little bit about leo's performance are either of these guys in the running for that is all time time any of his films well. I think his great muse is definitely samuel jackson. I think the actor with whom when he gets the most and who is most comfortable doing the tarantino dialogue thing is sam jackson <hes> i i wish them jacksons in all of his movies the jewel i i think we've are actually underrating how amazing jewels winfield is a character and an performance from jackson. So that's a person who you know same jackson's a great and everything it's not as if he we diminish greatly when he's not an tarantino movie but man he is just fabulous even the hatefully which is not really in my upper echelon chalon of tarantino movies. He is extraordinarily good in that movie and yet so mesmerizing so mesmerizing django also movie that i don't love but he's he's just so compelling to watch and he has such a almost preternatural grasp of how to deliver those words that that would be my my go-to pick. I think he's you know obviously he has a great thing with <hes> likewise mia wallace you look at the performance that she's giving me a walson pulp and they they have they have something you know they just she gets what he's going for and he's lucky to have her. You know he's lucky to have somebody who has that kind of grace. Wit who can communicate kind of a sloppiness is linus and intelligence in that way because that's what he needs. He needs all his characters to be pretty smart. Yeah okay last tarintino question from steven orchid. Where does the once upon time in hollywood soundtrack rank for you amongst the tarantino films and now you're a huge fan of the once upon a time soundtrack stephen. Thank you for this question. Thank you for leaning right into my interest. <hes> i made a quick last year for this <hes> kill bill once upon a time in in hollywood pulp fiction reservoir dogs proof jackie brown. I'm not fond of the django soundtrack. I don't think that <hes> the soundtrack for employers bastards really applies here though there are a handful of more coney moments that i really like <hes>. What am i forgetting from this list. I think that's i think that's the sun total. Kill bill to me is the most effective not because it's the most fun to listen to. It's not the most fun to listen to. I think pulp and reservoir dogs are the two most fun to listen to those are also the ones i listened to a lot as a young person so there are interwoven into my dna at this point but kill bill has the most examples of tarantino taking something that existed in the culture previously and making it his own in a radical way now that includes things like more coney soundtracks from spaghetti westerns that you haven't thought a lot about but also includes you know bernard hermann score from the nineteen fifties it includes the themes onto the green hornet which which people think now is was recorded for kill bill but it was recorded in fact for the show that appears in the movie once upon a time in hollywood with bruce lee <hes> he he takes the pan flute artisan fear and makes that music feel endemic to his own movie he takes quincy jones's irons side score and makes that relevant santa's movie he has taken all of these disparate snatches of movie score history and made them profoundly a part of his own on and that is a really neat trick. Now i think it's plausible to be seventy years old and to have a previous relationship with some of that music and the way that i don't and to not be as impressed by that which i i respect but for me personally i love what he did with kill bill you know i'm not dumb enough to think that pulp fiction and everything that he did with dick dale and al green gene and dusty springfield and chuck berry all the artists that he platforms in the way by choosing songs that are just left center for them and making them a thing was not a radical shift in the way that movie soundtracks happened it obviously was and i still like it just one of those things where sometimes you play out your favorite album and you can't listen to it anymore <hes> and so i'm going kill bill and once upon a time in hollywood is is right behind. It and that's probably recency bias but i'm having a lot of fun listening to that soundtrack a lot. I've been listening to quite a lot to humidity lovely playlist of it. Thank you for that. Shall we do a couple all of all time questions. I guess so you don't seem too thrilled about that because then a year on record on the record and one of the best things about seeing movies movies nonstop as your ideas get to change all the time so i wanna say that no matter what i say here and i'm appreciative of the questions and i'm not asking for less questions like this but no matter what i say it is it is mutable bowl. It has to be it has to it has to change only make you do a couple of them. Okay okay kyle dink. John asks which performance in history would warrant sean fantasy to whisper. That was the best acting thing i've ever seen in an actress here. Can we cut and julia butter saying that this i'll do that. I'll look for that scene. I would love that is the best acting i've ever seen in my whole life i do. I wrote down a handful. I don't the i don't know how to answer this question that here's what i wrote down robert walker in strangers on a train. If you haven't seen alfred hitchcock strangers on a train it's one of the most twisted and fascinating anything movies of all time robert walker plays extended the heavy of the movie. It is pure malice. It is evil it this. Is this a movie that was released thirty forty years years before hannibal lecter appeared onscreen. This is a just a dynamite scary weird kind of character and were rob walker's doing his amazing. I also wrote down to coal kidman in to die for which is a movie that did not win. A performance did not win an oscar but i think as we go along i can see more and more actors tres using this kind of meta diluted figure as a text for the characters that they portray because nicole kidman characters desire desire for fame and ability to shut off everything around her in an effort to keep going forward towards fame is a very resonant text for life in two thousand nineteen and if you look at what she's doing in the way that she is channeling all of her experiences as a famous actress and putting it into this very very interesting and clever gus van sant film <hes>. I'm impressed by it every time you know i wrote down pacino and doug afternoon. Sometimes you don't really have over think it you can just be like the greatest actor is the greatest actor actor and this is them at the peak of their powers now on the one hand you've got the godfather which is all recessed all sort of malevolent <hes> savviness and then you've got doug afternoon which is is desperate and emotional and furious and confused and unable to control everything but desperately trying to keep it altogether so patino no doubt. I think we're forgetting <hes> philip. Seymour hoffman was the best actor of this century. <hes> i put the master down here. <hes> i think you could pick any number of philip. Seymour hoffman performances probably really the most pro. He's probably the most flexible actor bought you know give or take them at merrill l. street <hes> who can do comedy drama docudrama thriller. I this is a guy who is the best mission impossible villain always say that you know he's a person and who was the funniest part of ben stiller comedy. He's a person who is an extraordinary shit. He'll in <hes> talented mister ripley he he is the purest evocation of vulnerability in boogie nights just like really my favorite actor has always been my favorite actor since i came upon them in <hes> senator woman and <hes> his performance in the masters like genuinely moving for me so that one i wrote down faye dunaway in network network like top five movie for me dinah christianson much much like <hes> nicole kidman's character die for is of repression figure in the way that media came along and i think her ability to kind of isolate and hilariously show us what's wrong with people that lives on for me burt lancaster in sweet smell of success similar. Are you sensing a theme of of cynical nickel dark figures that i respond to something underneath my skinny anthony hopkins coming up now no anthony maybe in westworld when you think about that no no no not that one didn't win all of the awards in a row so that's true and the last one i wrote down his naomi watts in mulholland drive. Now there's thousands of other performances. I like different films <hes>. I guess it's notable that all of these homes are english language <hes> but naomi watts in mullen drives basically playing three parts and i think in some cases playing multiple multiple parts in the same movie leads to weird tom hardy fuck ary <hes> in the case of mulholland drive. I think what's doing amazing and i just saw naomi watts. Give an amazing performance. It's in a new movie called loose which i was so excited to see an actually lived up to my expectations of it's directed by julius overnights in theaters right now. How about a family a young oh boy who has been <hes> adopted from eritrea war-torn <unk> trae by two liberal white parents played by watson tim roth and how the boy <music> <hes> who is a i think a junior high school interacts with the expectations of his life and what people expect of him given his his life situation and where he comes from and who he is becoming and it is just a provocative fascinating movie anatomy watts has less key significant role in it as a mother who is is trying to do the best thing for her son but maybe he doesn't realize that she is laying expectation that is unreasonable upon him so i would highly recommend loose <hes> bobby's check check out to i will nominate a couple that are a little more <hes> what you might call basic chore you <hes> daniel day lewis and there will be blood just like singed my eyebrows off. I just don't know how anyone does that. I mean that's too much of a sean answer. Maybe whatever in that down here. It's a little like saying babe. Ruth was good. You know we know change the game. He changed the game that i remember seeing dennis hopper and blue velvet and being like oh people are allowed to be like that onscreen he would fit in with this group of evil monsters exactly yeah him yelling about beer types and heineken p._r. is formative for me and liking movies formative for me and liking p._b._r. Very hipster drink very hip serve view all right. Let's move on one more of all time question and then we'll move on from that <hes> carol amalia alban asks <hes> what is the most important movie made after nineteen eighteen sixty who well. I wrote down one movie for every decade. Here's here's the movies i wrote down because i don't think you can say there's one single movie that is most important and if you had to say that you would say star wars not because it is the best movie that has been made since nineteen sixty but it because it is the movie that changed movies pointed jaws but i think star wars is the most a significant because especially the i._p. Stranglehold we find ourselves in this deluge of comic books action franchises houses kids films live action remakes of previously existing material everything that has been dominating this very complicated industry that we're we're trying to track on this show is comes up from star wars and it doesn't mean that star wars is the first time there were serialisation in the story doesn't mean it's the first time it was a big time action epic or science fiction epic. It just became phenomena logical in a way that is accepted as a fact of our culture now that did not exist beforehand but i think before that the most significant is bonnie and clyde which just changed what a movie hit could be in terms of violence in terms of its portrayal of sexuality in this country three <hes> in terms of how it it platform new movie stars and new filmmakers the way that it integrated the influence of the new wave cinema and put an on american screens and used it to tell a western story which is sort of our domain in a really significant way so i would go for the sixties stars for the seventies indies your your precious baby topgun for the eighties. I love it so much which sweating in white t-shirts just what more can i need. I would say the supercharged masculinity and the rockstar affiliation of movies is what that movie represents you know the sort of kenny loggins soundtrack nicknames and cruise at his absolute absolute most crews for the nineties. I wrote down jurassic park. I think you could also put terminator two judgment day here. <hes> those are movies that took huge technological echnological advances into a movie theaters basically changed our expectations of what we could get and how big we could think about what movie could be <hes>. I still think to this moment. Drastic jurassic park holds up astonishingly well and t- to as well a little bit but drag park is still absolutely mind blowing experience to me and and then you know i think for this this century i won't really split the difference between the os in the tens but for the century it's the dark night which <hes> put a great deal of respectability onto the thing that we were previously anxious about and let it really. I mean a change the oscars the way it was received it. It changed the expectation tation of the box office full stop and i really think it changed movies for better and worse. If you've heard the episode of the rewatch ables that khorasan i did about that movie you know that there's something about it that i don't think worker makes sense or or even reasonable and i had my doubts about nolan's films in the past but there's no doubt that it is one of the most significant phenomenons of the last fifty years and movies yeah i was twelve in that movie came out and i was like there's never going to be a better movie ever made us yeah so <hes> i i think a lot of people felt that way and still do yeah. I think so too as little really good question because there's so much there's a lot of layers the word important rather than best absolutely i'm glad it was important and not best because best is highly highly subjective even beyond the obvious stakes of a mailbag podcast. You know best in terms of what you're grading on film. There's so many factors like every three weeks. We're doing the show. We're filmmakers are trying to figure out what worked and what didn't and why was this good and what would the <hes> you. You realize that there are dozens hundreds of people making movies. Please go and so because of that figuring out what is the best is a reason why the best picture is always given to somebody who fucking sucks all right this next question <hes> may it comes from zach pack club hope. I'm saying that right but it might be my favorite question. A few people ask this <hes> so you can draft a director two leading actors and supporting actor who haven't worked together on a film who you got i love this question is a great question ray job. I use act dana coup jesse plemmons and florence pugh directed by barry jenkins who says no. What kind of movie is it a couple of others who will ask if the if you could draft a director to do is that they haven't done yet so what's maybe something that barry jenkins hasn't done yet with this. Cast remake of eyes wide shut okay. No i think a movie that starts is out like a romance and turns into a thriller is what i would like to see daniel clue jesse clemens in florence fewer all actors and we know this now based on that last handful of roles that they've had who don't have to say allot to communicate a lot and barry jenkins is the kind of filmmaker who likes to show us the faces of of his performers very true and those are people that can communicate a world world without saying much and the older i get and the less interested i get in the people who can write like dazzling dialogue <hes> the more interested. I am in a certain kind of a cinema so and i just love watching those three onscreen. I'm i'm so so stoked about what foreigners pugh is gonna do now in the aftermath mid somare. She's she's clearly got. She has that movie star thing that we're always trying to put our finger on where you just can't take your eyes off of what she's doing and you can't stop thinking about what she's thinking about. Which i love <hes> the barry jenkins take on the close up of florence pew in light of our astor's affinity for close ups would be a very fun to watch play out most definitely <hes> shall we do a couple more about the industry and then wrap up yellowstone. G._c.'s sys admin quite a twitter asks. What is the future of sundance. Very open ended question question <hes>. It's still a hugely important place in the in the world of movies what the expectations are coming out of sundance. Probably what's going to change the most because it's obviously really deeply useful an interesting place to discover new voices. I think the sundance labs do incredible work in helping to develop people into giving them exposure to professionals nationals in the in the space into a no place has done more to kind of diversify who makes movies over the last thirty plus years forty years. I guess probably since the mid eighties is really sundance has been thriving so they've got this incredible track record of providing an opportunity for new voices which i have always admired the the movies that have come out of sundance that have been big ticket items of late have not always succeeded and there has been some doubt cast on certain kinds of films because because of that you know late night experienced a little bit of a not a backlash per se but just a a a kind of anxieties cycle that resulted in not as much performance as a movie like that maybe could have done. We're only a couple of years removed from a movie like the big sick kind of overperforming its expectations and everybody wants that for independent cinema but it's not as easy to replicate as it was in nineteen ninety seven so i think that there will be some anxiety in the future. We'll have <hes> paul down. Delays on the show talking about his movie burning runs a marathon on and talking about you know what it's like to participate in the experience of being a bidding war and to show your film for the first time at that place. It's a place that has a psychological hold on independent filmmakers the world over and i think that there are still both streaming services in studios that are interested in what happens there but it's changed a lot and if you fail coming out of sundance sundance. I don't know if that means you're in trouble or if you can reboot in a meaningful way <hes> julius only mentioned directed loose is kind of interesting subject subject there so jewish ona's i kind of professional film was a little movie called the cloverfield paradox which was previously a <hes> paramount film. There was sold to netflix. It was debuted. I believe after the twenty eighteen super bowl on net flicks and was just absolutely savage. <hes> just it was the reviews were terrible and the movie is not very good and it's a it was a part of the cloverfield universe and produced by bad robot and the movie didn't didn't work for whatever reason <hes> ona is a super talented guy who has been kind of making his way slowly through the independent ranks of of <hes> the film world. I think he went to n._y._u. I'm not sure go violence violence. I don't care about why you sorry either but but ona i think basically got a a chance to reset his career by taking loose to sundance and he took it to sundance people liked it. It was purchased by neon and now it is on theaters and it is doing decent business and i and i think that that's a person who is actually used sundance to an interesting effect and it still has that potential to it. It's not just the place where we will have never done it before. It's a place for people who who are either returning alumni to the system or who need a reset so it's still vital. It's it's still a vital part of movie making in twenty twenty. Okay <hes> here are two questions kind of go hand in hand so tyler asks and then we'll wrap up there so tyler asks all the time of the pod. You guys talk about how are in the time of m. c. You and how they dominate the movie going experience like westerns in the forties and fifties so if you had to make an educated guess and predict what's coming next in terms of genre. What would it be. It's like a hard question. You could possibly ask about them well. I think that the lion king is is a is a really important movie not the nineteen ninety-four version of lion king the twenty nineteen version of lying because what that movie does even more than avatar. Is that shows us that that we don't need location. We don't need humans. We don't need anything other than technicians and voice actors to make movies happen and if you look at the general american economy there has over the course of the last thirty years a lot of anxiety about the idea of automation and and the concept of not needing human workforce to execute product and there is in a kind of philip k dick way a bit of anxiety about whether this could happen to move is now obviously some of the most successful movies in the world right now animated. The lion king is different form of animation. It is a it it is a little bit perilous and it's the first time that the phrase the uncanny valley has made sense to me not just because it's a good pun but because it is there is something eerie about watching the lion king to me and part of that is because it's a story we already know and so it feels iterative and feels like a waste of time and part of it is because it will replace a certain kind of movie that i love and there's no doubt about it in my mind that it will replace that there is a significant difference to watching a movie like the last jedi and watching a movie like the lion king even though they both feel like they're part of this you know frustrating disney vacation of the box office and you know we're super worried about <hes> where things are going and whether movies will be in theaters theaters and we would all be i._p. The lion king is not exactly a genre that a comic book movie is a genera- it is just a style of filmmaking and i think that that style is going to become more pervasive especially as the technology gets cheaper and frankly technology like this always gets cheaper over time and so as it gets cheaper and there are more movies that are like this that that look real and seem real even though they are entirely unreal. I think that's the direction we're headed and once we get exhausted of marvel and we i will because all societies get exhausted all of the most popular things and they move on to the next iteration. I think we're going to have a kind of movie going world in which the uncanny valley is increasingly precinct candy. Yeah i think they'll be probably a lot less of a backlash to that the film making style of the lion king when it's not just the same story told over again <hes> i don't know if people objected to the way that there were no people involved in it quite as much as they objected to the fact that it was just the same story and the nineties version was probably better. I think it was a combination the nation. I think that there was a bit of an awkward like a weird feeling in experiencing the film but there was also <hes> exactly what you're saying which is like an exasperation with watching the same thing again. I think a lot of people experience that weird feeling as a positive feeling though like you know if you if you do the thing where we ask ringer moms how they felt about it. My mom came out of and she was like it's kind of amazing how that looked yeah. I mean it's it's not that it's not an achievement and i tried to. I think a man and i both tried to kind of underlying that when we talked about the movie when it was first released. It's not a judgment to me of the worked. The people have done specifically. It's a judgment about where the technology of the medium is going and it's just less rooted like you watch it in you. Watch it and then and you think about a movie like metsamor which we've talked. A lot about on this episode is just like there's so much more of a sense of place with midsummer and a sense of feeling and the certain inequality that just like seeing a real field and real people in that field close up gives you that i just don't think that any of the lion king footage really ignited from me yeah in honestly my favorite sensation at the movies reviews and maybe this is just on me now but it's to feel unsafe. It's to feel like i'm in a place where i don't know what's going to happen next and movie the lion king while it is a technological breakthrough is very safe is very safe storytelling. It's very safe product rollout. I think there's more there's more flexibility in superhero movies candidly to be unsafe. <hes> the the movies that we're going to get in the future from morville sound kind of unsafe <hes>. I think that that there's expectation that they'll perform well but they're going to be a little different than what we got before the lion king. There's just nothing different. It's it's the same story. It's the story that we've seen a million times and so i'm i'm bored of that yup me as well okay so we have a ton of great questions here so that we haven't gotten to but we're running out of time here so final one <hes> and if the last question was kind of a look for this is a little bit lookback <hes> so <unk> ajar who asks how would you define this decade of films <hes> what kind of narrative films from this decade talking about. What movies do you think will be considered appeared as classics. This is a really good question. I am probably not qualified to answer the question. How would i define this decade gate of films desperate and aspirational i think but i don't think that's so significantly different from the entire history of film. I think certainly it feels like box. Office is scared but i think films are more diverse than they've ever been. I think there are some people that are trying things that you couldn't try before i think a lot of our anxieties about where things are going are rooted in the loss of what we knew as kids so whenever we say why don't they make like sexy thrillers or studio comedies or rom coms or all these things that we're always whingeing about on this show and elsewhere. It's because that's what we had when we were kids and we don't have it anymore but we do have is <hes> the last black man in san francisco you you know we didn't have a movie like that twenty five years ago or if we did it was harder to see than it is now and i think that there's been a lot of opportunity but everything has become miniaturized so the most money that a movie like the last black men in san francisco ca make in the in in the entire market fifteen million dollars and so fewer people will see it but you can z. it. You can go to a movie theater if you live in a major city if you're fortunate c._n._n. Major city or you can wait until it comes to the o._d. Three months later and you can rent it for four ninety nine and you can see it so those are getting made. It's not they're not getting made. It's just that everything is shrinking and there's a huge stratification and of course there are ten disney movies it will be at the top of the box office and they will we'll be big and they'll continue to be big until disney has probably a leadership change and they lose sight of how best to execute against all that and if kevin foggy isn't there by isn't there or people who hold the quan who have the magic answer things are move on studios rise and fall and they move in proper directions and then they don't and then the other thing to consider is i. I think that from a platform and distribution point of view this is last gasp stuff because we're on the verge of disney plus on the verge of h._b._o. Macs were on the verge of prime video leaning in a specific direction. We're on the verge of net flicks continuing to evolve and as all of those companies do all those things they start putting all their resources towards those machines as they try to rebuild the cable television business movies will be the primary <hes> primary victim of that because a lot of movies are gonna go straight to those services and the way that those movies are served and we've seen that in from various streaming services are not always going to be the same level of quality as they are when they're going join at the actual distribution and so i think we're probably going to look back on this time and whether you know you're pointing to movies like the dark knight or movies like moonlight eight both of whom i think are hugely significant in the story of the century of movies. We're kind of at the end of something with movies like that. You know we're not gonna. There's there's not gonna be a movie that is you know actually bigger than avatar. There's not gonna be a movie. That's actually bigger than gone with the wind. When you adjust for inflation the theatrical movie business is shrinking as not coming back in the same way and so what we have is a is a dany ma. You know it's a it's a last-gasp and a lot of ways as which is obviously tremendously sad for somebody like me but also means. We're gonna get stuff that we didn't think we'd be up before. I was thinking of <hes> sorry to bother you. <hes> <hes> boots riley's movie that came out last year a lot and love the movie <hes> the too bizarre energy to that film yeah i i would say it's not my favorite movie in the world but i loved it. It was just completely unhinged. I mentioned unsafe before and there's something so unsafe about all the ideas these gotten that movie in about the way that he's telling the story visually in the actress he's using and i do think that we're going to get more stuff like sorta bother you so it's not like we're in the throes of a creative death per se. It's just how we get in and how far it goes is going to change. I think that's a as good a place to end as any <hes>. I hope so bobby <hes>. What else are we going to be doing this week. I think i'm going to have chris ryan on later this week to talk about bruce springsteen and that's because we're gonna have grinner chata on the show. She is the director of blinded by the white which is the heavily bruce. Springsteen indebted new new film coming out at the end of this week and then after that amanda returns. We'll price are yelling at each other again. How does that sound sounds about right. Thank you for not yelling me on this episode bobby. I appreciate <music>.

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