Weekly Roundup: Thursday, October 4


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Not unlike the old trade deal. I'm tamra, Keith. I cover the White House. I'm Kelsey Snell and a cover congress Lucas. I cover the Justice department and I must Mukalla political reporter. All right. We are here. It is the afternoon. This morning. Senators started going to look at the f. b. i. background investigation into Brett Cavanaugh the expanded reopened background investigation the FBI concluded the report last night Ryan. Do we have any idea what was in it in any sort of specific form? No, it's more like we're. Looking at the shadow of the tree than at the tree itself. We can try to kind of figure out the contours of what's in here based on what we know on the margins, which is how many people were talked to and some of the people who were talked to. So at this point, we know from from the White House that they say the f. b. I spoke to nine people as part of this background supplemental investigation, I have confirmed six individuals who they have spoken with. The focus appears to be on the allegations made by Christine Blasi Ford about sexual misconduct that she alleges the FBI interviewed a friend of Ford's by the name of le- Leland Kaiser as well as four friends of Brett Cavanaugh. One of whom is Mark judge name. That's come up quite a bit in our discussions about this case. The sixth person who I've confirmed as a woman by the name of Deborah Ramirez, which is another name that has come up. She's the second woman who came forward with allegations of sexual misconduct from the from the time they were classmates at Yale. She says that basically cavenaugh exposed himself at a party back in the. Early to mid eighties beyond that, we don't know. But this has led to a lot of frustration on the part of Democrats who feel that the scope of this was so narrow and was so confined that it didn't really give kind of a fair shake to the allegations that the women who came forward made. And we've definitely heard from lawyers for both Ramirez and blahsy Ford saying, hey, we gave you a whole list of people who you could've talked to and you didn't like the FBI didn't didn't go out searching necessarily for like a wide group of people who could potentially corroborate any of this, right? And in the case of Ramirez, her lawyers say that she gave more than twenty names of people who could possibly corroborate the events saying that they are witnessed it at the time or heard about a contemporaneous -ly. Her lawyers say that none of those people were actually contacted. But again, this is not up to the FBI to determine the scope of this investigation. It's very important to say again that this is the White House that dictates this. The White House has said it. You've talked about this a lot. The president said, I'd be happy for the FBI to talk to anybody that they want to, but it feels like the scarecrow who is like, what direction do I go? And they like twelve arms point in different directions. Not me not me not me. There's been a lot of confusion about what the scope of this says. A lot of kind of mixed signals, conflicting tales. But the bottom line is the president can decide the scope of this investigation. He has said he was basing his guidance to the f. i. off of what Senate Republicans wanted. And I should say that Senate Democrats as part of their house because they have been asking all along for the totality of this report to be released. But they're also now saying that they want that directive that was written to the FBI for from the White House with the guidance of Senate Republicans to also be released. So Kelsey, the ball or the report, whatever it is, it's now in the Senate it in a secure room in the basement of the capitol. Yeah, it's it's one floor below the the basement actually. So. A sub and it is it's secure room that only senators have access to and and some select staff, and they've been rotating in throughout the the days. It's we're now in the mid afternoon, and there are still Republican senators in their reading through there is one copy in the room and as they've been coming out, we've been asking senators, kind of describe what the report is because they can't tell us what's in it on the things that we do know is that it's about forty five pages long. There's the one copy and each person's interview is its own separate section, and we're hearing that they see they're a little confused about exactly how many people were interviewed here. It looks like there are nine to ten people who were contacted and who have some sort of transcribed version of their contact in this report. Kelsey. I mean, we've been waiting to hear the reaction from a couple of key senators in particular. Have you heard anything from some of those key senators who likely could swing this vote? About what they've seen in the report so far? Yes. Several of them who they say that they are not done reviewing the totality of the documents. But Susan Collins was one of those people who she's a Republican from Maine. She was in there. She read part of it left to go have lunch, and we were told she was coming back. Collins said that it appears to be a very thorough investigation. She didn't have any comments about how she was going to vote, but she seemed to think that it was quite thorough Jeff flake. Also, he's the one who actually insisted on having this investigation. He's a Republican from Arizona who is retiring, and he also found it said he found it reassuring. So there is this sense from many of these Republicans going into the room to review this that the FBI investigation is making it a little easier for them to say us, Kelsey, have you heard from Senator Joe Manchin in West Virginia yet, or Lisa Murkowski of Alaska or Kelsey did go in and she looked at it, but we don't know what what her takeaway was. She is also somebody who left him said she was going to come back. We have not heard for mansion though. I. Expect that he may not make up his mind right away. There's not a huge incentive for some of these undecided Democrats to make a decision in until it's clear how Republicans are going to vote. No, it's kind of funny that Heidi Heitkamp in North Dakota completely defied that expectation just a few minutes ago when she announced that she is going to be voting. No. Now she is in a very tight race and depending on who you ask and who's inside polls, you look at. She is down right now and it may just be that she decided that she needs to vote her conscience. And can you know that this is just something that she feels she can't vote for or she may be making a calculation that she's a democrat, you know, she's a democrat. She needs to vote with Democrats to turn out Democrats at the polls guilty. I'm curious whether there's any sense of kind of buyer's remorse among Democrats that they pushed so hard to get this FBI investigation. When if you kind of look at it from the outside, this is this is really backfired. They'd push push push. And if this comes off being well, nothing corroborated the allegations of the women who came forward. We can now vote with our conscience and everything's just fine whether there's a sense that they got perhaps outmaneuvered politically here when it's they should have known that it's the White House that can ultimately control the scope of an investigation like this. That's something that Tam you. And I were just talking about right is did they feel like they were already losing the battles and the Cavanaugh was eventually going to be confirmed. And now this gives them a kind of sense of anger or thing to motivate voters of in saying that Republicans were unfair and they forced this through and they, they can now say that you know that Republicans stack the deck for cavenaugh or is this actually ultimately going to be a blow for them that creates all this kind of new momentum and energy around the Republican side. It's so hard to tell right now because I mean, honestly, we just haven't even voted yet. We won't know and the votes supposed to happen. Sometime the first vote, the procedural vote will happen sometime on Friday, which setup likely final passage on Saturday. So until we see how that happens until we see whether or not people remain as engaged and excited on the Republican side, I just don't I, it's too hard to tell right now. I mean, it's it's kind of like there's been a week that has passed and what is different now than before, not not much. It doesn't seem in terms of the political calculation except that the f. b. i. report seems to have given Republicans, some cover to say that they engaged in the full extent of the opportunities to investigate these claims and that they are satisfied that the claims don't have merit. But one of the things I wanted to ask you Ryan because people are saying this as they're coming out is they want this report to be made public and they want they want the that this would clear things up that voters would have a better understanding. Hussein Democrats, Democrats are of some Republicans beforehand. You're saying. So though they seem to backing away from that, so Ryan, can you kind of help us understand how how that all works? Why it can't be made public? Why it's one document. In a room secure room with these. These are files that contain buckets and buckets and buckets of highly personal information. There was a recent case of a woman who's running for congress who used to be in the CIA and and basically her background clearance form was leaked somehow got out and you have medical history. You have emotional history like there is just reams of personal data in there that is not supposed to be for public consumption. It's just supposed to be able to to allow authorities to kind of gauge your, you know how firm of a candidate, how solid of a of a candidate you are for a for a particular job. We've been talking about the mechanics here of all of this, but on the political side of things Osma we have some new polling, a new NPR PBS NewsHour Marras poll, and that that shows how this is playing with the public. Can you. Walk through some of the, the really standout numbers there should. I think the big takeaway was that we saw a change in overall enthusiasm. And so basically you've seen the democratic advantage for enthusiasm, more or less evaporate according to our latest poll. Just to give you kind of an exacts since of the numbers in July, there was a ten point gap between the number of Democrats and Republicans saying that the November elections were quote, very important. That gap is now down to two points which when you look at polling that's within the margin of error, right. I mean, that just means that essentially, there's no difference. I think that that sort of when you also look at the exact figures of who is hitting things are very important. You've also seen a big shift. So like when you you look at men, you've seen an uptick in men's saying that it's more important. You've also seen an uptick in in women as well. But I think we are seeing some questions of whether or not this entire saga. In debate is really galvanizing sort of the the grievance politics of Republican men that the Donald Trump very successfully captured during the two thousand sixteen election. And I've been doing some reporting on that. I know you have as well. You've been out talking to folks. I've been spending a lot of quality time listening to conservative talk radio, the blood drenched jihad against this innocent man, this good and decent man. Well, finding now that the if you are a white male, it's okay to be against white guys. You're out, you're, it's done. It's over. I think it's hatred of men. And I said this and there is a reason why this week President Trump made a turn where he went from previously saying, she's very credible, Christine, Blasi Ford. She's credible to sort of criticizing her and almo- almost you could say mocking her at this rally earlier this week, and he also has. He's always sort of had a focus on what does this mean for Brett Cavanaugh? What does this mean for men, but more so this week where he says, this is a very. Scary time to be a young man in America where he at at have rally started telling this imaginary story about a son who did everything right, and went to college and got his dream job, and then was wrongfully accused and goes to tell his mom, mom, a person would never met said that I did things that will horrible. And they're firing me from my mom. I don't know what to do. Mom. What do I do? What do I do? Mom. What do I do. It's a damn sad situation. Okay. This gets to a. An idea that certainly is is a strong undercurrent in particular among white Republican men that that they're in peril that this is that they are victims too. But I think also what we've begin to here is his sort of this galvanizing around the traditional Republican party. So I was I did a lot of reporting over the summer with Republican base voters. And some of these people had told me they were really lukewarm Trump supporters. They will you call kind of casick Republicans and I was basic exactly John Republican who is kind of always at odds with President Trump is point. And so I was calling some of these people back and I connected with one guy in the suburbs of Georgia specifically who had made this comment to me and I asked him to wear you at what are you thinking now? And he feels like this entire thing more or less. I mean, I'm summarizing yours is kind of a sham. He feels like it's a distraction and that that bright cavenaugh is extremely well qualified. And I think we've begun to see. See a lot of sort of this coalescing of the Republican party behind President Trump because of this Brett cabinet fight. I mean, I think the other clear example to me is Ed enough. You'll remember Eric, Erikson, who is this conservative blogger talk radio host. He joined the two thousand sixteen election was one of these like famously never Trumpers right? He uninvited Donald Trump from attending his very famous red state gathering. He has been probably one of the most vociferous critics on Twitter defending break Cavanaugh, and I've just been so amazed to see this defense given where he was himself on President Trump just a couple of years ago. Reuniting the right. Do you feel like that's something that can last though? Is that I mean, we've seen so many situations where Republicans have been situationally in support of this president, and then he goes and does something and they are. They are reminded why they found him distasteful in the first place I didn't. I think that's a very good question. I think the only example we can have though, is that when you talk to people about. Out why they may have been lukewarm about President Trump and why they ultimately voted for him in two thousand sixteen. The most consistent explanation I've been given is the supreme court. And so I think if that's our one guiding lesson from two thousand sixteen, it may indicate that that's the one thing that holds true now as well. The way to sort of reunite the Republican base is the supreme court, and perhaps that's what we're seeing. Now, Chelsea, that's a the question that you asked a question that can also be directed at Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins. Yeah. I talked to activists at the very beginning of the cavenaugh confirmation process, and they told me that they thought that this was going to be the very last time. Democrats failed to realize the importance of the courts, and they thought that there would be a lasting impact. Cavanaugh gets confirmed because it will change the way democrat view, both the courts and the relationship between congress, the White House and the it's that it's basically not just about congress. Passing bills that they'd like or president signing executive orders, but that the last line of defense is the court. I just I will be fascinated to see how that shakes out. I think you'd be hard to say right now that are taking the course for granted because they are literally marching in the streets right now, at least some of them. If I walk out the door where I'm sitting right now inside the capitol and look out the window, I can see hundreds of them standing outside right now marching. Yeah. And there are. My view on the Senate side looks out on the supreme court, and I can see all the protesters across the lawn of the capitol and they've been there all day. All right. We are going to put a pin in this for now, but we will no doubt be back to it, Ryan and Kelsey, we're gonna let you go. Thank you. And when we come back President Trump's new deal with Canada and Mexico and can't let it go. Support for this program comes from SimpliSafe home security SimpliSafe itself installed wireless protection for your home. The company was founded by an electrical engineer whose friends were burglarized. 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On the latest planet money, especially report inside the business of the silent. We go inside and underground network of professional story writers coaches and scammers gaming the asylum system and how the FBI frackdown that's on the latest planet money. And we're back, and now we've got Scott Horsely and Dominica Montinaro with us, hey guys, hey, jam. And Scott, we have brought you in because, well, we're talking about trade and who you are. The only man on our team who gets so excited about trade still unknown day President Trump made a big announcement. NAFTA is no more. And now we have pending congressional approval. The US Mexico, Canada agreement US MCA. That'll be the name. I guess that ninety nine percent of the time. We'll be hearing US MCA. One thing. Donald Trump was very clear on it was not to be called NAFTA. He wanted to have a new name. And as you heard the president thinks it's got a nice ring to it. I talked to a trade expert at the pro-trade Peterson institute for international economics, Chad bound. He was not so sure. No, it's sort of has too many letters to be nice and simple, and yet not enough vowels to make it into a word that is, that is a man who is an expert on trade and who is an expert on brand. Let me let me quote Eminem when he says that it all depends on how it's pronounced. I mean us macaca certainly could be a word that you pronounce the acronym US m. Mm. Wow. I. Options? Yeah, I, I don't know. Maybe maybe this will catch on. I I kind of like who's mecca. That's the way our one of our managing editors was saying it, but even the president's own White House team, Larry cudlow the head of the National Economic Council was struggling a little bit. As he discussed the new agreement has week USA had to get this rat USA, MC right, close, but no cigar. We'll work on it. It's got minus the name, whether people can actually pronounce this or not. It feels like some of the major feedback that we have been getting about this. Is that to some degree, it's not substantively dramatically different from NAFTA in any way. I mean, right at eight accounts for new things that we didn't have like digital tr-. Right in the digital realm or maybe the farm around, but it's not hugely substantively different, is it? No, that's right. One of the questions you sort of have to answer in evaluating this new agreement is what should you compare it to? Should you compare. To NAFTA, which is the deal that's been in place for a quarter century. Should you compare it to the big Asia Pacific trade deal that the Obama administration negotiated the so-called t p p which Trump pulled the plug on on one of his first days in office had that gone into effect that also would have taken into account some of the new digital commerce and that sort of thing that that has grown up in the last quarter century. But it's it's not a radically different trade deal than what we've had in place. It preserves North America as a basically free trade zone. It gives you a dairy farmers slightly more access to the Canadian dairy market, but on the whole, it doesn't make a whole lot of changes. Another question about this, which is we have been talking a lot on this podcast and elsewhere about how President Trump is waging a trade war with well, basically the whole world, and there are all of these tariffs on various things including steel and aluminum. Does this address that? Does this resolve any part of the trade war? It resolves a little bit of it. I I described this is a partial ceasefire because the president had been threatening to tear up NAFTA and maybe slapped big auto tariffs on on cars from Canada and Mexico. He didn't do that. So in that sense, he has dialed back the volume on the trade war a little bit. But as you point out, this agreement doesn't change the steel and aluminum tariffs at the US has leveled on Canada, Mexico, Europe, Japan, China, most of the rest of the world, those remain in place. And so do the retaliatory tariffs that the other countries imposed in response. So US companies that rely on stealing aluminum are still having to pay more for that. We're seeing that in higher cost for soda cans, and that sort of thing, and US companies that want to export are are in some cases running into these retaliatory tariffs, you know the thing with this that was interesting. You know, Twitter's been around. And so long now that it actually I think has like cliche memes, and there's like the cliche Meam now with the guy walking down the street, holding one girl's hand, but seeming checking out another girl. Right? And the thing that got re tweeted. So often on this was over one woman's head was NAFTA and over the other one was NAFTA. So Scott, is that an accurate portrayal or use of that meme, or is there enough substantively here that's change? I think I think that's a pretty apt description, but I will quit over the over the girl who's who's turning the head. I think I would have put who's mecca. You know, on the sort of political ramifications of all of this, I guess I have two quick thoughts and questions. So one is, I mean, this has to get approved by congress right in this could presumably go on into. We have a new congress. Be the name. So my question is, I have no inclination to think that if Democrats have a majority in congress that they would be inclined to work with this president on trade, not that some Democrats might not actually agree with some provisions of this, but I feel like that's one big question Mark, and that's an argument that the president himself was making. But then I went to a briefing with his top officials, including Jared Kushner, and. Trade Representative lighthizer and they were arguing NAFTA already exists. This isn't a huge, dramatic change. So they don't think it's going to be nearly as big a fight this time around as it was twenty five years ago when when after I went in and it was a big political fight, maybe. But you know, elections are going to are these elections might have an effect on the outcome because you know, in the mid west, we've seen the president's approval ratings tank in a lot of places over the summer because of tariffs and you know, more and more we're seeing Republicans say that these tariffs are a good thing, but Democrats saying that they're not if the outcome of the elections in the midwest or elsewhere have some, you know, kind of dilatoriness affect on the Republican numbers, and it's clear that there was a a draining in the midwest or places that could have been affected by trade than there might be a rethinking among Democrats and some of those free trade. Republicans. That's interesting. And I guess also the that kind of raises questions about how if at hold this is even political galvanizing tool ahead of the midterms because you know, did a lot I, I was gonna say, I don't. I don't think it is at all right. Like I went out all throughout the summer to do a lot of reporting on hearing from members of what we would call the Republican base right Trump's coalition. And you do hear about trade from a small subset of those base voters. And those are traditionally some of the more working class folks who live in the midwest. But I would argue that trade was one of the few issues that I heard Republicans raised the alarm bells about when it came to President Trump. I mean everything else word there were talking about tax reform or the supreme court nominees. Everybody was lockstep behind the president, and this was one of the few things where I actually heard your more traditional Republicans raise questions about whether or not the president's approach with tariffs was the right approach are we're gonna take a quick break. And when we get back, can't let it go. Support for this podcast and the following message come from Rowett Google digital scales are becoming more and more important in today's economy. That's why grow with Google is providing free online training and tools to help Americans learn the skills they need to succeed, learn more about grow with Google and get started by visiting Google dot com. Slash grow support also comes from Exxon Mobil over the next five years. Exxon Mobil plans to invest fifty billion dollars in the US economy. That kind of investment will not only create jobs in energy, but also help support millions of US jobs in other industries to find out more about ExxonMobil's planned investments at energy factor dot com. Exxon Mobil energy lives here, a rent prices leveling off what's the best job after college and is our labor market actually healthy, listen to planet money's daily podcast. The indicator to find out. And we're back and we're going to end the show like we do every week with can't let it go. I'm gonna go first. And while we were all very focused on Cavanaugh and President Trump and all of that, it turns out congress despite their very public partisan fighting has been quietly doing things in a bipartisan fashion. They passed spending bills that prevent a government shutdown, at least for a couple of months. And this week, a bipartisan Bill to deal with the opioid crisis is now headed to the president's desk until him. This is something you learn organically covering the two thousand sixteen campaign that this is going to play very well because this is obviously huge concern out there in the country. Yeah. And this Bill contains a lot of the things that experts have been saying need to be dealt with. It tries to prevent Fenton hill from getting into the country. Basically, it is an. Up and debt up and down comprehensive piece of legislation and all of these lawmakers in states that are affected by this voters really care about this. They're going to be able to go home and say, look what I did. This is one of those rare instances where good politics mix with policy, Scott, do you wanna go next, will you know there's a new movie trailer out this week, and I know a lot of people have been saying, when are we going to get the bio pic of Dick Cheney? And if you've been saying people definitely like like nobody. I have to say I was skeptical too, but I watched the trailer for the new movie vice about former Vice President Dick Cheney. And so this isn't the TV channel not not the TV channel, but I feel this name could be read in a lot of different ways. Well, maybe that's part of it. I think that is part of it and I, I was a little skeptical, but at the trailer was was very engrossing. I want be. I want you to be a you. You my vice, George, Honey, the movie stars, Sam, Rockwell as George W Bush and Christian bale as a very lookalike, dick Janeth vice-presidency name, mostly symbolic job. However, if we came to a. Different. Understanding now that chain is not bad. He looks eerily similar. It's amazing. It's amazing how Christian bale could be able to get to look like Dick Cheney when he was like so ripped for Batman will unveil is super method. Eight, so much ice cream. If you remember him as the Emesa did guy in the machinist. Oh, this is this is the opposite end of the the girth spectrum it's it. It's it's, it looks like an interesting movie again, I, I'm not sure folks were clamoring for Dick Cheney bio-pic, but this is from seven people who brought you big short and that's a movie that growth seventy million dollars. Even though I don't think people were clamoring for a movie about the financial crisis. So sometimes a an unlikely topic can be a hot movie, so we don't do this is happening. I believe. We can make this work. One thing that became apparent as we were talking about this in the newsroom is that some of our colleagues. Have a little trouble telling Christian bale from Christian Slater. Another child actor turned grown up movie star. So I, I prepared just a little. No, you're Christians cheat sheet alien Chris Christian bale English Christian Slater, not English, Christian bale, Batman, Christian Slater, dead shot. What's dead shot? Yeah. He he voiced a an animated. Another DC comics superhero. That's right. They they both had watery roles Christian bale laurel, canyon, Christian Slater, hot tub, time machine to. Let's. Uncreditworthy Lord q.. I am db database. What can't you like go up? What I can't let go of is the presidential alert system and we're not gonna make the buzzing noise because apparently you're not allowed to replicate anything like any kind of alert system of the FCC will come after us all staff Email about that. Correct. But I will say that what really struck me what I can't let go of is not so much the alert system itself, but the reactions to it, how hotly partisan it was, and I'm not trying to be somebody who puts my head in the sand here doesn't understand that. Of course, there are going to be partisan reactions, but you know, in theory, it's a good idea right to have a system in which the government can have alerts that go out to all people wherever they are, but I don't know. Good idea Dominica I feel like that could go haywire. There has been a presidential system that people had used to reach television sets because a lot of people were on television would see televisions or listen to radio stations during the Cold War for fifty or sixty years. So I don't really see the difference. Was it a presidential alert system? That's the weird thing. They called it a presidential Lert system. Maybe they could have mitigated some of this if they had just called it an emergency alert mobile system or something it, it certainly seems like a good idea to have emergency alert system that you can reach out to people on their cell phone since fewer people are watching television all the time or all those cord cutters out there. Okay. So I like removed the alert without reading it. What did President Trump had to say to us? I think it just said, this is a test of the national wireless emerge. So it didn't even say, what is the president did actually at the very time, see that did the very top of the alerts said presidential alert, which that's that's part of the issue. And I ended a story this week with Brian Naylor who did this piece on the alert system and some of the fear. That people have that President Trump this president particular would misuse that system, and that's what you saw a lot of the backlash Osma. What can't you go up the SNL sketch of the calf, not hearing Judd. Cavanaugh. Are you ready to begin? Oh, hell. Yeah. We tell you this. I'm going to start at an eleven. Take it to about fifteen rim quick. I just think it was somewhat comically. Brilliant. Even though I would argue, some of the portrayals were sort of less funny than you might expect from SNL, but. Objective. So eighty. What I think to me really stuck out was Matt, Damon was portraying bright cavenaugh as is really angry, privileged guy who is just not accustomed to being questioned in any way. What I take from that is I think some of the criticism that we've heard in the last week about Brett Kavanagh has come up not based on whether or not what he is saying about the alleged sexual assault incident is accurate, but about his temperament. And we've heard a lot of questions about that, and I thought that this caricature of him kind of really got it. Those questions. You know, SNL in some ways can cement our ideas of people like so Sarah Palin never said I can see Alaska from my house, but totally don't tell me that because I saw it on us and l. Sean Spicer never use the squirt gun. Exactly a road is putting him second. Second, although he probably wanted to. But you know, like I think that in part Brett cabinet is going to be remembered as a guy who likes beer because of this portrayal on Saturday Night Live as much as the twenty four times or whatever it was that he referenced it in the hearing. I mean, what SNL often does like your noting is create a character of someone that's often what you think of as the first thing you think of when you hear that person's name as opposed to the actual person in real life. All right. Those are the things we can't let go of this week, politics or otherwise, and it's our promise that we will be here when there's political news that you need to know about whenever that is. So with a vote over supreme court nominee Brett Kavanagh's confirmation looming. We will probably be back here sooner rather than later. I'm tamra, Keith cover the White House. I'm Scott Horsely. I also cover the White House. I'm medical Montonero, political editor, and political reporter, and thanks for listening to the PR politics podcast. Support for this podcast and the following message come from answer net essentials from Comcast, connecting more than six million low income people to low cost, high speed internet at home. 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