How the Coronavirus Impacts America's Most Vulnerable


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Those who will be even more adversely impacted by this both in terms of disparity in care and the economic fallout that is just going to increase income inequality in this country a little bit later on the show. I'll speak with West more the CEO of Robin Hood Foundation Their Sole Mission is lifting people out of poverty. Right here in New York City West also has quite personal story so this strikes close to home for him. I saw with my own family. About how these singular shocks can knock a family down to the point that it then takes this remarkable sense of influence and frankly a lot of luck to be able to help people navigate their way out of this. I'll also talk to Lauren. Bush Lauren the founder and CEO of feed projects which sells their feed bags and other items directly fund the UN World Food Program. She talks about how she's working with feeds partners around the world and also she's trying to support her own employees if there's any takeaway so far it's that word truly all in this together and to me. I think it just puts movements like ours like the hunger movement like the Environmental Movement. Certainly just in a new context. But let's begin. This episode with supermodel turned activist. Christy Turlington Burns the founder of every mother counts. It's an incredible organization that fights improve care for mothers giving birth around the world. Mothers who right now are facing even greater threats to their health a quick note before we begin as you can imagine none of these conversations are happening in person right now. Well we're all pretty much at home talking over the phone and online so occasionally you'll hear a dog bark in the background or one of my kids could burst in at any moment. I hope you'll understand bear with us as we work through all of this and keep bringing the show. So let's begin with my conversation with Christy Turlington Burns okay. Technology trouble shot all done. We're good Christie. Thank you so much for talking to me about this. Especially right now. Thank you poppy. For having me just to give people a sense of this situation for women giving birth in America before the Krona virus pandemic the number of women who die giving birth in America each year has nearly doubled in the last two decades in the US has higher rates of maternal death in forty five other countries. And I couldn't believe it when I learned. This is the only developed country with a consistently rising maternal mortality rate. So that is where we were before cove in nineteen. Where are we today? What has every mother counts? Learned about what this pandemic means for pregnant women and women delivering. What we've been seeing here in so far is that there's really a lack of research and information adequate information for Childbearing people I think when people are in a state of confusion and fear in already A period of time with which there is that kind of emotion attached. There's a lot of unknown out of uncertainty It is more important than ever for women and families do have a contact with their provider into be having a really close dialogue with them as they prepare For giving birth during this time as I mentioned before the research is just not there There are a number of studies in the last week. That have been coming to my attention which we are helping to spread the word so that more women can Participate in those studies but there really is so little that we know about pregnant women and their susceptibility to this. I think what makes the most vulnerable is the fact that most women in America deliver in hospital setting and by virtue being a hospital at this time. it's not the safest place to be at and they're they're even some labor and delivery words being converted into Krona virus units right and I wonder are you seeing data that more women are opting to deliver at home as a result in. Is that relieved the safest choice I think there are a lot of women who are exploring that option right now but it's not advisable for a woman who hasn't been going down that path already to be exploring that option if it's late in the pregnancy or in the middle of the pregnancy. I think if you are finding out that you're pregnant today or you're in those early weeks It's a great option to explore in any time period. If you're low risk pregnancy you you wanna make sure that the choices that you make that you have the support system to make sure that that's going to be the best fit for you but to be making that decision now late in your pregnancy. Because you're fearful of the hospital is not the ideal scenario and a lot of Humbert. Midwives are actually Fully booked or overbooked and not able to handle the demand that this situation has caused. What does this mean this pandemic and the pressure on the hospital systems as a result and the lack of a P P of protective gear? For many nurses and doctors. Can you talk about what this means Christie especially for the most vulnerable population? Because you know we've seen a real disparity in terms of availability of care for poor Americans and I think that that would extend to those who are more vulnerable In in more dire economic situation as they're giving birth yeah all very true I mean just to put it into perspective. Childbirth accounts for nearly one out of four hospital stays in this country. So you really can't address the corona virus crisis without taking into account pregnant and childbearing people In some areas. I'm sure you've seen in the media. women. Labor can only have one person with them in the hospital and visitors are limited. A New York state recently issued an order protecting the right of people to have at least one support person with them in a hospital during labor and childbirth. But that's been even controversial among health workers. You know it's it's tricky as you mentioned the most vulnerable women who are coming in and don't have any support system no partner. They're already very much on their own. going to this experience and so to not be able to have a A support person by their side and Dula for example Someone that they built a relationship in trust with it just puts them in a place of more vulnerability than they already were. There are a lot of people taking the line of preparing people with a technology plan. So that if they are in a hospital or city that is not allowing partner to be in the room then they should be working today on kind of building up to prepare for that in having some type of technical device to be able to allow voice support or some kind of meditation or some kind of coaching support throughout labor and delivery But not everybody has access to those types of support systems or technologies so There will be Women who were going to do this on their own With very stressed out overworked providers and that doesn't set anyone up for success. Ultimately you were very vocal in New York of the last few weeks about this and and applauded governor. Cuomo for the executive order to mandate that every person giving birth could have one one person by their side as they were doing that in the hospital having given birth twice for hugh having gone through this. I I can't imagine not having someone there alongside of me but you're saying that that's a situation for some other still another other states. Yes I think. Every state is handling this slightly differently in it could just be the hospitals. Themselves that have created the policies That's one of the things that I think would be helpful just to have consistent policies across the country right so that When people are hearing about a governor in one state who saying this is not acceptable To know that that that same bar or standard will be held At their local level as well new at every mother counts have been profiling. The courageous sort of frontline healthcare workers on instagram. In every day you have a new post. I was really struck. I think it was just yesterday the day before. These two sisters from Michigan where? There's an outbreak You know serving a pregnant woman delivering her another doctor talking about Delivering a baby from a presumptive. Covert nineteen positive. Mother these are. These are our heroes right now. They really are. I mean I can't see enough or hear enough of these stories. The heroism you know. Many of them are Are Mother's parents themselves Some of our nurses in our network have been covering for their colleagues who are pregnant right now and And in themselves very fearful of contracting this Virus and bringing home a friend of mine. Who's in OB In New York. I think she's featured today on our instagram. Heidi flag she's in a practice of all female Ob gyns and many of them are mothers of very small children and right. Now we've been we've been hearing. This is part of the research gap That's there there have been some cases where moms have been delivering Not testing positive and then testing positive afterwards. So people are very nervous. It's not the best situation for health. Workers to be providing care without the support system without the proper gear. One of the data points that you and I talked about often is especially for African American women in America and especially in New York in terms of how many more die during childbirth than their white or Hispanic Peers and I believe. It is three times as many across the country now looking at the latest data that came out at the end of January and something like twelve times the number in New York. That's correct yeah. It's three to four times As you said a woman of Color so African American women as well as native women In the United States nationally and then in New York You know we have the highest. I would say of any other sort of Metro area And it's unacceptable and there's been a lot of a lot more attention more recently Put towards that issue in New York so to think about how those women are going to be impacted at this time. is certainly top of mind for us every day but right now especially We need to continue to focus our attention on vulnerable members of our communities Pregnant Women Postpartum people and newborns given the fact that this is an unprecedented situation that there's no roadmap for right in one way to describe this sort of flying the plane as we're building it as a nation what is every mother counts doing. I know that you've assembled home. Prenatal kids I know. I believe you have a resource hub where people can go for more information and help. That's right about a week ago. We compiled a resource guide for pregnant women And we are keeping it. Updated working with a lot of our community partners Our public health partners other foundations to make sure that the data the most up-to-date data is is included. So no that's a good resource for people We are also talking to our grantee partners around the world because we have partners in six countries including the US and so talking to them about their needs on the ground Which are changing. Day to day A lot of the countries where we have partners outside the United States are just kind of coming into this their at their sort of very early stages I just came back from India. Couple of weeks ago In diabe is in full lockdown It's very densely populated country and so the impact of this on on on on their people is going to be It's going to be big. And then Haiti also very vulnerable places already with not very consistent services But right now more than ever They are trying to prepare for the unknown If we talk about the lack of equipment in this country you can only imagine What that will be like in Bangladesh in Guatemala In Tanzania so we're trying to share what we're learning here in real time with them In multiple languages to get them as best prepared. They can be Let me just end by reading. Everyone one of these posts from you guys elevating the the stories of of what you guys are health heroes on the front lines of covert nineteen. This comes from Dr Amanda Williams. Susan began at Kaiser Permanente in Oakland. California I did a crash. C Section drilled today donning my n. Ninety five mask this morning and I am currently managing labor with my first patient under investigation with the Kobe test pending. It's a lot up to the challenge. So thank you for elevating their stories end for talking to us and I guess just lend on letting people know where they can go if they if they want to help Sure please come to. Every mother counts dot org for that access to the resources guides Our instagram to check out those stories. We're going to be sharing them as long as they can. Keep coming in which I think will be for some time. A man is just one of those Professionals who is there Going beyond Beyond the this sort of usual kind of healthcare always so committed to women so committed to vulnerable populations And keeping up her health and strength is is is really really important. Just giving Some of these people the the attention in the praise that they deserve right now will help them. Go the distance for For Vulnerable People in for all people and people can donate to every mother counts that or online to if they want to help and I keep talking about food banks as well for those of us who have more. 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Of course I think you know maybe a week or two really into this corona virus crisis. I started thinking a lot more about the economic impact for the most vulnerable. And you obviously popped right into my head leading Robin Hood. So let's just begin there for people who don't know Robin Hood in what you do. The goal is lift. New Yorkers out of poverty right and this means children. This means her parents. Anyone who is most vulnerable? Where are we right now in this crisis for them you know? I think we're watching. How the vulnerabilities that so many people in the city of New York and throughout the country are feeling. They're just being completely exacerbated right now. I mean even even prior to Kobe. Nineteen and prior to everything that we've seen. Nearly half of all New Yorkers could not sustain a four hundred dollar shock could not sustain a four hundred dollar unexpected bill that would not knock them right back down in poverty. And that's what we're seeing right now. This is the shock and it's something where it's a lot more than four hundred dollars and it's something for the families for the children for the communities that we support a this is something they are now responsible for but we're watching how they are the directed impacted communities that we that we are fighting in advocating for. So what we're seeing right here really is an illustration of the massive schisms that we have in our society about who are those that are actually prepared to take on these type of socks. Who were those that have the resiliency to take on those kinds of shocks and which communities and individuals repeatedly are not? And so. We're watching this in real time right now and for for I believe this. The third time in more than three decade history of Robinhood. You you guys are activating in using your Relief Fund to help these folks that can you. Can you share with us? Some anecdotes of what? Those individuals families are going through right now because on top of not taking home a paycheck for so many of them at all Their their children are home right and they are not in school and they're not receiving supportive school. They're having to deal with education many without access to a laptop or or Internet. What are what are they going to? And how can they really find help? Yeah I mean I think one thing we're seeing and you're right in the thirty two year history of robinhood. This is only the third time that we've activated our relief fund. The I was right after nine. Eleven and the second time was after superstorm. Stand superstorm Sandy. And you're right is we're watching this cascading of impact and effect that That is really hitting our community because when you're talking about people who are living in poverty Oftentimes you're talking about people who have jobs. It's the working poor. It's the hourly worker. It's the person who doesn't have benefits. It's the person who if you restrict not only not even just their job just the amount of hours that they can compete in the job. You're talking about people who are working in some cases multiple jobs and are still living below. The poverty line is if you think about just within the first week of of of the impact hitting. We'RE ABLE TO GET GRANTS OUT. The door focused on general operating expenses for our community partners. Both new an existing community partners and also thinking about things like cash assistance emergency food and we really came to. These are landing spots because that's the feedback. We're getting from our community partners where we community partners. Who we're watching this moment. Right now is the difference between them existing and then not existing and so even just in the past two weeks. Robin Hood is allocated. More than eighty grants worth with a close to five million dollars to support nonprofits operating New York City. We've raised over twenty million for the cove in one thousand nine and Relief Fund and we'll continue distributing rapid grants to nonprofits and to keep them operating and serving the communities. That really do need the most. Just such a stark reminder even for those who are. I guess fortunate enough to still have work and be considered essential and and go to work for many of them that that's not a. That's not a car service to work. That's not an uber to work. That's a packed subway car. The woman who you know I get oatmeal from every morning. You Know Liam oddest or name. She's amazing and she's so grateful to have a job and Sh- told me this morning. Two and a half hours this morning to get to work after four. Am subway is so coming to much less now because so many fewer people are using it. New York packed subway car. She said I cover myself. But you know people are just standing up against me. It's packed right and to adjust is a reminder of the disparity even for those who are still going and trying to get that paycheck is exactly right. I mean we we we have situations here and we understand why but you know but the government both within the state of New York but also other states have moved rapidly to be able to to not just a encourage but in many ways enforce this idea social distancing knowing that that is going to be the most effective way of being able to control the spread of the virus but that also includes things like public transportation for those for anybody who's been any time above transportation as we do every day especially up in New York. I mean that's how we get around. And there is no social business distancing about what about nine show. What about public housing? You've got a lot of people living really closely together. That is not the right. That's exactly right and so and so you're watching where part of the challenge that we have You know in New York and also other cities like Baltimore. The the problem is density it just people who are just on top of each other which in some ways creates this this this beautiful level of community in good times and in times like now where we are trying to have to reinforce his idea of social distancing it also makes it incredibly complicated to be able to reinforce that and so we have you know. I think about this in terms of our work in terms of how we're thinking about the role. The policy does play in so much of our work. Where where you know. There's a good and a considerable amount of the we can do on the philanthropic side. You know we've been able to allocate significant dollars to many of our community partners But also I think some of the work that we're doing some work than I've been. I'm almost proud. Of is the fact that we are able to coordinate and work with government officials because the decisions that are being made on the governmental side are going to have just as much impact on the resiliency of our community on our ability to be able to to to attack this virus in control. It spread to be able to flatten the curve as much as anything that we're doing in the in the world of philanthropy. Yeah I mean these benefits. It's it's great to see what what has been passed on. What MAY BE COMING TO HELP? But if you have a hard time figuring out how to apply for them are actually getting them than it. You know it doesn't have the impact on you. Let's step back from it and west and if you could tell I had the pleasure of no you know maybe a decade or so and read your book and you know had you on the podcast before and in happier times but can you just tell people a little bit about you and your background and I just keep thinking about your father and what disparity in care meant for him in your family if you want to share that absolutely and you know and part of the reason that this is my life's work is because it's personal. I had the The the the luxury of being able to look at our economy from from a multitude of different sectors. Whether it's from the private sector from the nonprofit from you know from as being the the the founder of a start up through through the military working governments why I've seen every sector of this economy and I've also had a chance to see the fact that that every sector this economy also continues to leave people out of it and I saw and I see that from my own experiences. Where at the you? I only have two memories of my father And the second member that I have of them was when I was about four years old and I watched him die in front of me and I and I saw how it just rocked our family. Where where where? My mother unexpectedly just became a widow now with three children that she was going to raise on her own How complicated it was for her. That's how she had to work multiple jobs and it wasn't until I was fourteen years old that she got her first job actually gave her benefits. You know I was fourteen when she finally got a job that gave her stable hours. It wasn't air. Father sent home from the hospital. Basically told me didn't need care. He was he was He was misdiagnosed. Hit something called acute ethical titus which is essentially a swelling of the upper gladys and. It's a it's it's a virus where Where the EPA gladys sits in all of our throats and every time we talk or breather Yup Gladys raises up and allows air to get inside of your windpipe and essentially acute uncle. Titus is is where the virus attacks the gladys makes it so swollen and makes it so heavy that it just sits there on top of your windpipe and so essentially it was a misdiagnosis that that my father died because his body essentially suffocated itself. You you you think. He was sent away in part because he was a black man. Absolutely where where you know where the questions that were asked of my mother. When he was in the hospital was a was asking about. You know the assumption that he didn't have insurance asking him was he prone to exaggeration And they sent him away with with a diagnosis of of get some rest and if it gets worse than than than come back to the hospital it dig it worse and in fact hours. After he was released in the hospital he died as he as I was in fact I remember watching him as at the base of the stairs and I heard him coming down the stairs and I went to the stairs to go to go greet him and he collapsed and fell down the stairs right in front of me. You know I think about that moment. Now where Where we have so many people who again who are who are suffering and and we have so many heroic nurses and doctors and people who are trying as best as they can to support those who are sick and and I think about the case of of people who aren't even able to go spend these last moments with their ones I mean we're watching amazing Heroism and kindness. That's being shown throughout this country about the way we're dealing with intriguing and serving people but we're also watching these disparities show themselves in so many drastic ways and I saw with my own family. About how these singular shocks can knock a family down to the point that it then takes it then takes this you know Remarkable sense of influence in frankly a lot of luck to be able to help people navigate their way out of this and cannot have a framework or society where look has to be a prerequisite in order for people to make it. We can't and I keep thinking about how long lasting the impact of this is going to be on that front right when when the world is healthier again right and we all can't wait for that day. What do you guys think? The lasting impact of this increased disparity is is going to be and do we need to do about it. I mean the Taylor. This is going to be remarkably long and and one thing we always think about you know in in our organization is it's not just going to be about the emergency it's going to be about the aftermath because the aftermath of this is is is going to be absolutely staggering. The way they were GonNa Watch economies fundamentally change the way that even after we get an all clear and everyone is is permitted to go back to restaurants and permitted to go back back to their work. What exactly does that mean and look like particularly for so many people who barely had their head above water beforehand. You know one of the big pushes we've had for example We're talking about the importance of cash assistance in the work that we're doing Again when you look at the fact that nearly half of New Yorkers couldn't afford emerging spence a forty dollars before Kobe and even now we've we've we've passed. A bill passed a bill on the federal side. North of two two point two trillion dollars You know the the reason that we're focusing large bulk of our relief onto emergency cash assistance programs that can be managed by our community partners who are equipped to get cash into the hands of of New Yorkers who need it most is also because of the fact that for many people for many people who are in our population. They're not included in that. Let's end on this. Wesson is parents ourselves and I just think so. Many people are thinking that kids right. Now what have you seen in terms of the impact of this so far on children the most in need well? I mean you know. It's it's interesting because I think for you know I know in Europe parent. I'm a parent having having to adapt to you know what it means to have a remote learning and home schooling for your kids and the adaptation that's going to take on parents but also I know that I'm blessed. I know that that that you know that we have You know my my wife is so all in in helping our kids pulling everything together so that also I can continue You know Leading this organization and leading this work and leading this effort and I know that's a benefit that a lot of families don't have I also know that for children who are in shelters right now and you think about it you know in in New York City alone alone and this was before the crisis about twenty three thousand children every night. We're spending the night in shelters. Having to go to school how to navigate despite the fact that they did not have a home and for eighty percent of kids who are growing up in shelters. They don't have access to Wifi or computers. So how are they doing remote work? How are they thinking about ways to keep up with with with their with their peers in there and their classmates and so as a as a large society you know it's both about how we propel we supporting our children right now our children but also it's about how preparing for the aftermath? Because we know that that that this thing is going to last a while and specifically for those who are already in complicated situations on that my two year old just woke up from his nap and he is crying. So I'M GONNA have to leave it. There GOPI mom the most important of our jobs and I just so appreciate what you do west Loch to you and the entire team over there. Bless you thank you so much for all you do wes. We're GONNA take a quick break when we come back Lauren Bush. Lauren will tell us about how she supporting her employees through this crisis. Just don't know if I'm ready to face the world own tracy. Morgan is back. You are. Low wraparound Agean. Tiffany haddish's back. We support one another. Everything is going to be. Okay the last. Oh Gee only Tuesdays at ten thirty nine thirty central on. Tbs WITH A NO-HOLDS-BARRED ELECTION. Right AROUND THE CORNER. Take a look back at some of the most hard-fought presidential races throughout history the CNN original series race for the White House is back for a brand new season. Sundays at nine on CNN. And now Lauren Bush Lawrence. Ceo of feed projects tells us how her organization is supporting the UN world? Food Program is they're trying to prepare for more countries to be hit hard by this virus. Thank you Laurin. Thanks for doing this. Of course let's talk about what you do and who you serve. The reason. One of the big reasons I wanted to talk to. You is all of the vulnerable people right now. Who are made more vulnerable because of this crisis eleven million food insecure children in the US feed serves people around the world. You work with no kid hungry to do that. How exacerbated the crisis now because of this yeah I mean Dave Day I would say it's obviously quickly evolving but the fact that You know for New York City specifically but a lot of the country so many schools are closed especially public schools. Were many kids. Do rely on that free or subsidized for lunch. Breakfast to to eat and their families rely on that there are one hundred fourteen thousand homeless kids just in the New York City Public School System. Who all get their meals from the schools just in one city. Yeah so that is a big big deal I'm also on the board of the Food Bank for New York City Been in close touch with them and no kid. Hungry is the organization as well that feeds supported is supporting To HELP GIVE GRANTS TO FOOD BANKS TO COMMUNITY COMMUNITY CENTERS Information to families about where they can find those meals for kids In lieu of not being able to maybe provide them themselves. I mean again I with my family. We were lucky we went to the grocery store. We are able to load up on enough food for a week. Or at least that's costly. That's not something that you know. Many families can do and I definitely did it. Obviously feeling extremely grateful and lucky but also with a honestly a sense of guilt and Foreboding that this is not something in a normal family can do what is going on with the supply in terms of the numbers. You're looking at globally for feed helping the most vulnerable around the world even who were the most venerable before this pandemic and how much more vulnerable. It's made them and and those in need in the US. Yeah I mean again. I think it's ever evolving. I talked to also global partner. The World Food Program Who said very honestly many. They don't work as much insertive Europe. They don't work in the. Us working like the poorest of poor countries around the world In those haven't been the hardest hit yet obviously. There are cases and these are places where the health system isn't what we have. Even though I'd say we're not prepared for list And then in terms of not spreading this further making sure folks can get sort of healthy access. So they're doing things in America at even New York City where it's like limiting You Mount of people who can go into a pantry at a time so sort of spacing folks out obviously wearing gloves in you know being as health conscious as possible in terms of handwashing But yeah I would say Grocery stores these food distribution points. These are definitely GonNa be areas where folks are more vulnerable to Catching this for you and your family right now. Lauren. You're leading feed. You've got employees. Everyone's working from home. Everyone's working from home. We decided then we close the store in Brooklyn so so you so those employees right now that work at the feed store there are are out of work. They're out will. We've tried cassette. Wiz Late too painful to do to them. Those most of the folks that work at the feet shop our Younger many going to school. This is kind of a part time job at some. This is their fulltime job. similar to the salaried employees at feed wanted to do what we can so as of Now in kind of maybe for the next month God Forbid. It lasts that long they last longer. Hopefully it's quicker. Who knows at this point we are paying everyone's Basically the hours they would've worked were were evil chip to give them half of their normal weekly pay so at least they have yes some income coming in and that will hopefully get them through this. This moment But in terms of yeah everyone on our payroll who's full-time were obviously continuing to to pay this time. I guess in wrapping up. What what is your message right now. As as a leader to people trying to lead and medium size businesses like yours. Yours obviously is a nonprofit And especially ones that help. Those most in need like what has worked for you. What hasn't worked for you. I know it's Day by day. It is so day by day I mean I think. On one hand yeah. It's not staying calm staying positive helping recant being a good neighbor Definitely as leader of a small business team were doing the best we can all work remotely stay connected via slack via Asana. There's a lot of great kind of work tools out there that have been really effective for my team to stay connected Which has been great and really helpful and then in terms of the need I think it is. We've just been staying in close contact with our partners. We've worked through locally globally and again. I think it's a day by day situation even on their end. Were there sussing out the needs but Yeah I mean really I think of any there's any takeaway so far. It's that were truly all in this together and to me I think it just puts You know movements like ours like the hunger movement like the Environmental Movement certainly just in a new context So I hope if anything comes out of this is the sense that we all need to get together on all these major issues. Good Luck Lauren. I know how hard it's gotta be to try to help those most in need in in a situation like this. Thank you guys for for what everyone at feed is doing thank you. Poppy Take Care. Thank you so much for tuning in. If you enjoyed this episode of boss files make sure keep listening over the next several weeks as we talked to more and more business leaders about how they're coping with all of this uncertainty and the challenges presented by this pandemic and as always. I WanNa know what you think. Leave us a rating or review on your favorite podcast APP. You can always find me on social media at Poppy Harlow CNN. We'll be back soon with another episode of boss files. 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