Consider The Lilies, With Naturalist Educator Joe Joe Clark


This is cultivating place conversations on natural history and the human impulse to garden pardon from north state public radio in northern California. I'm Jennifer Jewel as we ring in the New Year of this new decade with the power of twenty twenty twenty hours for the making this week. We welcome Gardner Naturalist Educator Husband and Lily Lover Joe Joe Clark born and raised in Vallejo California to a garden loving mother. Joe is a naturalist working on interpretation public engagement and education occasion and nearly equal amounts of paperwork for the Napa County Open Space district taking him to both state and county parks in coastal stole Northern California. He joins us today from his home garden to share more about his garden life journey and his abiding love for the lillies. Welcome Joe for excited to the Audio podcasts. I'm so grateful so before we get into to your fieldwork. Go back a little bit. Tell me about your earliest influences. That led you to be this kind of person. Why Natural I? I'm sorry I garden at home and I have to thank my mom for that. I was born in Vallejo California and my childhood was pretty awesome. I had an opportunity to to be outside a lot and with that ed come with the tours so we had a garden in the back of our yard and it had all these vegetables that I loved. I mean I love eating. I love eating but the fruit that she she drew was amazing and my younger brother. He actually took on a lot of the homework and kind of a thank sort of guided the guard for me. I was more into other things that I could eat. But the things that attracted me through my is that That sense you know and the smell and so she did have some irises. That were in the front yard. I didn't really know that they were native but later on I kinda grew into you know my my interests of native plants of California -Fornia they were native They were Douglas. Iris Mummy version. And so that developed this hunger I guess you know talk about how being a naturalist and bean gardener both evolved in you as you headed toward Collagen. Indeed you incorporate those into what you studied at college talk about that Actually I went to J. C. in a Fairfield and Solano honor communication. And I knew that I wanted to study bio at the time. I loved Anything that was living in the water so I I wanted to be a marine biologist in the right and then after about two or three semesters had opportunity to go to Africa uh South Africa and I loved it. It was amazing. It was the Mediterranean climate. It was just beautiful and also also I loved language so the People that I interacted down near the new at least four or five languages so when I came back to California is like Omegas I wanNA learn a language and I thought would be the best suit for me because I really wanted to go back to Africa and I love Leon right so I really and I still do so. That was the sort of the foundation. I guess of that for my college career Gardening in kind of took a back to took the back seat at that time. Because I was just going back and forth from class. I didn't really as Tommy. It was really hard. I thought to garden with Some of the things that were in my mind that I wanted to do. So you know okay so I wanNA pause I WANNA go back a little bit to the South Africa experience. was that just random or or did you choose to go there as a foreign in study and were you looking at plants while you're there because of course it's like one of the great plant bucket list destinations on the planet. Actually I went there because I was in a singing group and so we toured for about two weeks I so oh I grew up very Not Rule religious little bit. I went to church every Sunday. You know and we sang a lot so so we had opportunity to go to South Africa to sing and I didn't even know about all wonders of the botanical wonders in South South Africa. And all the cool bulbs right on there so what I was seeing down there I I knew was gorgeous and beautiful and was amazed by it but I I didn't really know I was nineteen years old bay but I was singing a lot. I was eating my my single one so I didn't in status such a great story and it is so you go to South Africa. You have this kind of a little bit of an earth earth life changing experience you come back to school you you take up French. Yeah I took French I I absolutely loved IT I. It's a a language still in my heart that I you know I think about in an us. Sometimes I'm in the wine country you now so you could. I wouldn't counter People from pick a foreign countries on the reason why I did Study for us because I wanted to be Wanted to work with the Peace Corps in Africa and At the time there were these two passions in my heart and I didn't know how to choose correctly Choose directly but where to go like should I study science or should I just study just French or or a language When I transferred from Solano Community College on I went to cinema state and I was there for about a good two semesters the third semester? Unfortunately I had a stroke and so I lost. I lost everything I kinda didn't couldn't read anymore or you know talk English or French and I was setting a little bit of Spanish at the time time but I totally lost all that. Yeah it was almost like a reset and only two things that were still like when when I when I woke up after the stroke was my love of outdoors and music. Like if that sense. You know Yeah that is a powerful story and the fact that those two things were so like part of your cellular makeup they stuck with. You is so powerful. Joe Joe Wow I made back up to a little bit because there's a part that That you Kinda China you'll get a little onto the story so when I was really young like five years old my uncle lives he. Unlisted lives in Cordelia near Fairfield Park called Rockville Park and as a kid he would take us there. You know constantly. And that's where I was introduced to oaks. I think oaks was sort of like the gateway reme- for California native plants. Now we're GONNA fast this little bit right after the the stroke so when I woke up I couldn't don't talk at all. I I knew what I wanted to say. But I couldn't articulate to my parents with my friends and family who who came to visit me But at night So crazy I would sleep and I would be in an oak within setting and everything was peaceful. Oh everything was you know exactly intact to the things that I loved and remembered sort of at that time and so I think hopefully that makes sense but the that's how it's still really any you know. Wow So. Hopefully that was part of the question. Listen I'm so so this this being in the Oak Woodland setting this was sort of a visual visual and sensual sensual. Sensory kind of memory or or image that you held in your in your dreams that were sort of part part of your recovery as you see it yes he has actually did help me a lot on. I would have to go to their classes and they would have to Show me photos of different types of images like a balloon or a girl or something that and I really couldn't pinpoint what it was but I knew what it was. You know in my in my mind when there was ever a tree or when there was a flower it was like oh I know what that is and sometimes French would come. First in English become later on but the ad that's those That whole natural role rolled is. It's really interesting how it was locked in my my brain at that time and it still is and so how many years or or months. Or what was the time period of cussing both occupational therapy and physical therapy to get you back to you too where you had been How long was that before you could take up schooling again? Joe Joe Yeah so the time line was it was is in January of twenty twelve and it was the day before class started. That's when I have to look and so who is in the hospital for about two weeks and then For the middle of February I got better I was released and so oh I would go back to the hostel for more. There'd be classes every every day until May and so the every was pretty pretty fast and I probably have to think my age At the time right after that I went right back a to work. I was while going to school. I was working at Alliance redwoods in Occidental Cinema and so I got a chance. Sir Leave home you know and move. Their mom was really nervous because you know she happened so fast. I it's just go back into the forest and that is exactly where the lilies came into. Play Okay Yeah so yeah so talk about that so for for listeners. Joe Joe's feed on Instagram is called lily boy joy he pulse. Post all kinds of things you post beautiful things but it is your incredible love for and Not just the pictures but the words as well for finding in meeting different species different specimens of lilies throughout about the state of California That really are they just floors me every time. Joe Joe it does send me who who am in in its presence as well I love that flowered species on all types of native Francis. Well but I. I was introduced to that plan Through a book a nurse was leaving the camp sites he was he lived there for about thirty years. And she's going to move. ooh And she was giving all her books. You know to people who are interested and one of those books was the floor of the Redwood area on the back of the cover of the book. Was this a leopard lily and I was just like really. There's there's little lillies either in California. I didn't know at the time you know and I was basically flabbergasted by that had And I try to look for them on the property and I couldn't find them at all so I kind of gave up on it And a year later I was walking near a creek and I saw wine and I I literally just almost fainted like it was amazing. I was so happy and see for excited to see. I thought they were all extinct at at the time. Because that's how my mind was working. I didn't really know They were still here. You know Event that led me to this. Whole world really did into Those areas where they're found and protecting them as well like this year two years after the fire in Sonoma's Napa the counties. They're coming up like crazy and being underneath them some of them. Are you know six to nine feet tall ones that I've experienced in had like like forty flowers. It is really a humbling. Experience really is and the fragrance that leach you on the trails before you see them. It really is is a spiritual. I guess encounters in Ainge. I'm Jennifer Jewel and this is cultivating place this week. Naturalist Joe Joe Clark is joining us to share his love of native plants of time outdoors and especially especially of his love for the native lilies of California. We'll be back for more with Joe Joe after a break If there's one thing that I hope we all take from this conversation with Joe Joe Clark. It's this take time. Make time to really and truly and fully love what you love. Love what you find beautiful beautiful healing expanding and meaningful in your garden and on your trails on this generous planet of ours if you you love lillies then by all means fully. Love them if you love your vegetable garden here. topiary bonsai fragrant roses or taking children or other adults on nature walks through the woods along streams pointing out the diversity and wonder of mushrooms. Leaves seed forms If you love cooking with your garden bounty or crafting with gourds whatever it is give yourself time for it. There's never for a better time than right now today where you are where the world is. Let your great loves meat up. There's healing and growing to be done right there now. Back to our conversation with Joe Clark. This is cultivating place conversations on natural history in the human impulse to garden. We're back now now with naturalist Joe Joe Clark sharing with us his garden life journey in the first segment of our conversation. Joe Joe shared how at the age of twenty two you in January of twenty twelve. He suffered a stroke while in college majoring in French and minoring in biology. He lost everything. His words his memories his ability to move during his recovery. He met the Lilly family in California for the first time and he found a great deal of healing in the natural communities formed by some of our most charismatic trees coast and giant Redwood Forests Oak Woodlands Ponderosa Pine and Doug Fir forests along with their associated soils climates and other plants including the geophysic lilies. As we come back Joe Joe is talking about his is interest. In the diversity of these forests including their different lily populations when you're in the the redwood forest coastal redwood forest. Boris you usually find things. I handle. a lot more shade ferns for example or the Calypso Kubotausa that ferry Three slipper like that and For me and those areas would be the lillies The lose actually do go out in areas. So you'd find them in the Sierras as well Not so much in the Oakland's but in the chaperone areas really hot areas you'll find those there so you will find these little cool geo fights that could be a bowl Arise or tuber all those things that have a structure that holds all their juice. You know that that they grow from comes from okay so now. Let's go straight to the lilies. I know you love Ferns and and all the Associated Flora but Lily of course is a whole family of plants and it's also a genus and it's also got many species across the world. It's it's a big in group. I think You correct me if I'm wrong but I think we have twenty one species and subspecies that are needed to the state of California. Yeah and in and they they range in there because they are geo fight And they hold all of their storage capacity underground around they're incredibly resilient and adaptable to different environments. Right that's very true for example Lillian William Rebecca since the combination would be a red with really They are found in the redwood forest. And they're also found in Tabora the area so they're they're also called the chaperone lily and they are not found near water. Usually when you think of a lily e think of a stream ferns turns You'll see but there is another type. We call them the dry land lease and they live in an in an area where they're found They're bulbs are found probably six inches. Keep down in the ground covered. Oh by either clay. That has a lot of training that goes through. And it's just amazing to see that happen. I love you ever encounter those but if you do you just like we're in the world. How do they do because the bulb is a fleshy bulb? It doesn't have any skin around it like if you go to Cosco or you know a store you see a bag of bulbs and they do have this coat around it for the lily species of California Day. They they don't habit at all which is amazing best why I actually am more excited about learning more about that as well in how they endure such harsh environments. Because you see that like you think of that papery flesh coming off Daffodil rate and its protective. Yeah but the these lillies are. They seem so exposed and vulnerable. When you when you can hold them in your hand or you you see them in person like that and how how are they able to hold on for long hot summers or cold? Cold winters is or how do they not get eaten or nectar disease. Stir but they are they have this incredible strength with their vulnerability. Usually it's the the debt that they're especially for the The Dry Valleys like a humble lily that you'll find in Dan Sierras or there's a subspecies down in southern California the really deep Danny Earth and there's installation around in that area which to create that in the garden is pretty hard to do really is but Sometimes I in the SIERRAS. I snow that is melted down and it goes down into the ground and it kind of seals a little bit of the bulb in southern California as well. There is irrigation underneath leafier that kind of protects it from that hot sun but they do is so interesting they do need that. That hotness which is interesting can be in full sign it's just really interesting They are also a favorite treat for different animals. I mean and paroles that is leg leg ice cream it really is especially for deer as well on the main be protected by a shrubs. You you know things that sort of protect them you can find populations where there could be you know Like a spice Bush you know around Creek and lilies that grew under underneath it is very beautiful scenery. But that's the way how they can survive in those areas and Dan I would. I would like to mention The native American tribes is wealth indigenous. People they use that bulb for for food food as well Not as much as a potato but more like on It's very very spicy like garlic. Were onion you know to put in for more seasoning. So they would they would protect the ball as well meaning that They would use it on lifted up and take some of the the scale audited as well put it back on the ground around you know and harvest as well so and so the native American peoples of California would use all lily bulbs ups or were there specific that were particularly good edibles from my knowledge in front of read all of them were used okay and so and that's so interesting that they are spicy. I would never think they were spicy and of course they are a bulb or GE fight like the aaliyah GMS but they don't have they have that gorgeous sent to the flowers most of them but they don't have A sent to like stem him. That I'm aware of like when you cut one or one is broken. Exactly and so. That spiciness seem so surprising. Yeah I I grew my own but I don't eat them I I've talked to some people who have used the the bulb for demonstration on in nature American cuisines on May the Polo Pomo tripe up here we have a great exhibits. We do have those wonderful things that we can learn from. But that's how I got to experience experienced that and do you know like I'm thinking of that fleshy bulb and I'm thinking of how white it is and so it probably doesn't have the same level of You know like Tannin's that some boobs or seeds we'll have that have darker coding will. How are they the kind of thing that you have to prepare in order for them to be edible or are they? Edible rate from the the rawness and I ask this mostly because ask if we should issue a warning about not going out into eating your lily bulbs we should do it right now. Joe Joe no you can eat them it cooked or raw at both way. It both ways And I would have to warning out there because I wouldn't necessarily go out and look for them the main reason I would have this warning is because they're uncommon in California or pretty rare. I I would say half a half of this. Species are is on The rare plant Rank usually one one to four. So you know I was go to you know trader. Joe's Garlic or or you know so wholesome oh her well and I think you're noting that you grow them at home and you still don't eat. Them is an important caveat because one it is illegal to harvest anything like this in the wild without a permit and especially on a public or government owned or managed land and I and it's just never a good idea to eat something that you've collected in the wild that you don't know an incredible amount about and And as you say most of these are listed as rare or endangered and so it is absolutely unethical to collect in the wild Growing at home from seed growing growing at home from someone else's You know Dividing them by the scales as you were mentioning. The indigenous peoples of California did in what is is a slightly bigger version of gardening. Is that you know these these bulb collection whether it's lilies or chemists or The albums were all managed and harvested. I did and then re replanted divided like we do By you know taking the big bulb out pulling off the baby pups and little bowl blitz and then redistributing them so that the populations would increase not decrease through harvest. Right exactly true. That's right and if you read a little bit of the historical records of when the Spanish humor you would see you know through their words. The color of the fields of California and. I'm also guessing that there were a lot of lilies as well that they witness In at you could imagine And that's where I come into play with my work as well so I do find populations at on trails you you know. And I documented them and I you know create An awareness or you know if a children's to be built this way or choice we speak going that way we kinda diverted so We could leave the lillies alone or either Protective Theory Mir tale have to remove and put them in place long. I'm Jennifer jewel and this is cultivating replace. Joe Joe Clark is a naturalist working with the Napa County Open Space District. He has a deep love of the native lilies of California as plants Lance of great beauty and strength. We'll be right back for more about them after the break Hey it's Jennifer thinking out loud this week. Joe Is going to talk more about this at the end of our conversation sation but I wanted to offer out this one word for you to consider as we embark on this newest freshest most hopeful of years risk and that word is presence this is among the greatest gifts offered out to us demanded in fact in that tough love of mother kind of way by our garden and nature an ever deepening literacy into both that gift being offered is presence without true presence in these spaces. We Miss Everything we miss. What's in bloom? What's needing to be done and went and were missing? What the season is showing US telling us? Were missing the sound and pacing of our own breath in an out. oxygenating US us. We're missing our own blood pumping and hearts beating and the birds calling simultaneously. We're missing the wind wind rustling. The grasses and leaves really being in relationship with our gardens requires presence and the presence that we learned learn and practice there can and does I think inform and improve our presence everywhere in our other work in our other relationships relationships. It's worth noting I think. And it's worth being as deliberate as we possibly can with it and in appreciation of it as you walk. Walk to your compost as you shovel snow as you rake. Leaves Prunier doormat fruit trees and vines and your roses in preparation for the first I flush of spring be present and see what grows from there mentally physically emotionally creatively. See what grows now back to our conversation with Joe Joe Clark on his great love of the presence of lilies in his life. This is cultivating place. Conversations are natural history and the human impulse to garden. We're back now with naturalists Joe Joe Clark sharing with us his Gordon Life Journey. He's walked us through the Anatomy and Growth Habits abbots of the native lilies of California as we come back sharing with us how he grows them in his garden and the importance of being really present present in the presence of these gems of the natural world when and where we meet them. The diversity in California is remarkable and you are a remarkable recorder of this diversity Talk about the ones that that you have seen. Have you seen all twenty one. I Have I have seen all twenty one. Then you SOM- Some in the garden in some in the wild and I mean honestly it's almost like meeting Like your best friend or or or somebody that you you know. You're Meyer Lot This year I got to Travel up to Humboldt County donor to county as well with My friends on his friends Lynn. And guys we it was this is so cool to go around even right off the road. Easily the off the road on do the disturbance of that habitat which is is perfect for them. Because it's great drainage selenium Colombiana Columbia Lily. A lot of the Party line was which are deliberately lease. Unlimited Lilies have a complex all all to themselves which is so amazing. You can find these for or five different types of Limpar Lynam subspecies there and Lillian. Occidental the Western really which is a really rare one. Which Sir is such a beautiful lily which is a scarlet red and has a green star in the middle of it. It's amazing it's just greed great and I keep hunger and on and on but it is something that you have to witness to go and see Sebnem and It does been awareness of Not just of the lillies but the surrounding area round too. I mean the forest and the other things that you would see like. I'm in love with firms right now because usually see firms with lilies. Always in you know. And it's just amazing. So you have a recent instagram posts that reads my heartbeats needs to the colors of pinks purples and reds my senses are intoxicated by the fragrance that they adorn to perfection. These lillies are my friends. They approve of my aspirations towards them. which I just loved Joe Joe and it gets to the incredible edible range of colors that these lilies display which is not the case with all flour groups rape but there's the pure pure white ones and then there are the Pale pink and then the bright pink and the purples in the oranges in spotted and and they do have this fantastic array of markings things in stripes and dots? Their praise beautiful. It really is. It's just one of those things where if you witness it in person or just the photos does as well hopefully a captured perfectly in the photos. But I mean it can go on and on the colors the variations on and they it can hybridise with each other. All of them can and so when you find those Say for example a A Leopard Billy which is usually orange in in red a mix it with The Kellogg Kalis Lily and that usually usually is a pink. You know be light and if you find those two together you could. The colors are analysts in times. And it's it's amazing and I'm not the only person who loves delays in you know what a you know. Bring to their world. I'm thinking of a some gardeners over in Europe Elites Gardner Name Drake Drake Fos and he hybridize a Lillies Min late seventies and early eighties. And he you know had a whole world of different types of crease is that he made an mainly why there's a lot of California California Lilies in Europe is because a call pretty than if you've heard him but friends with Luther Burbank at late late eighteen hundreds and early twentieth century He was a person who Would go out and a Collectively not just lillies. Buddy on fertile area is all different types of Geo fights and seldom around the world and so today They're still species over there. In Europe in there's a society over over there that have used the leasing to make different types of hybrids increasing over there. So it's really interesting you'll see different types of colors and some that have fragrance at. That usually don't is crazy. So so tell us about your garden how how big is it. And how many and. How many lilies are you growing there? Yeah I garnish pretty small I live in California so it's pretty warm in the summertime and it could be pretty cold in the winter time so I have about lease Golly the Tin Tin Fifteen Then I usually get my lilies from plant cells or from C. Collection Accent that I have purchased either through The Lily Society International Society and the majority are impacts which my wife is not really happy everyday right which is so funny. I think that's that's cool but the reason why the impact is because my The soil that I have is is not on fast. Doesn't have a the best drainage and that's the the most important key for release on on that you have to have perfect vantage and I can create that through a container or a pot so oh delays that I I do Garden with our limpert. Lenin which is the easiest one I would say and I would have to Kinda though that out There because leaser not necessarily for the beginner gardeners. They are very temperamental. But that's what I love about them because It's almost like I'm raising up a child little bit if that makes sense because I have to monitor monitor them you know how how much water they get especially after the rain stops from seed until they flower which is amazing Reward if you if you had opportunity to do do that growing things from sees alone actually you know or a corn you know war Mazza Nita's anything like that you know and so are okay so it is hard and it takes time. Tell us about did you. Have you grown apart item from seed. Yes yes so talk about that process like how. How what did you prepare The the soil bed with DESCR. Yeah describe how the whole the whole process because it's it's a couple years ears right usually takes about a three to four years five years. Yeah so you think of it that way you gotta be really committed. Don't forget about them. Right so I usually so if one of my milley's has been pollinated produces fruit I usually captured the seas when the seeds ripen. I put in the frigerator the freezer until I'm ready. You know to fees the seat because the seat is still vital I have a medium him of soil of potting soil sand and lava rock a clean lab Iraq that allows change and put the seas either sometimes climbs on top or underneath a little bit of the soil. Both of those work in the fall right and I once the rain starts art. I'm I'm gone. I'm watching Netflix. I'm you know his like Bacon. Handle that wind. The rain stops though. Usually around around may on the nonce. When I'm out there watering the hub? The ceilings for about you know two two weeks Let them dry and then water them back and the tricky part is in the summertime so usually for for Wetland lease which the wetland lillies are apart align. The Lewis said you would find near the creek or on a a moist meadow so They can you know be watered usually once a week for the dryland. Lend lease once. The Summers starts in the rain is done. I don't water them And just once a month so for seedling. I have to be very careful because they're very young and I have to monitor them sometimes. So you just have to go with your gut. What what you're seeing you know when they become about a two years old I transferred them and to a bigger pot and usually They should be fine. I'd give him just a little bit of Fertilizer feeds them. What kind what? Kind of either Equal so everything should be equal. Tinton ten right Everything should be Kosovo. They're getting the same amount of minerals and metals as well in in the the soil for The lily part of line family. Which I think is the easiest one and for anybody who wants to start there please you you will be rewarded with that They loved to be sometimes crowded around a they have a abol that will continue on youtube build a colony or what I would call right by semantic bulb which is amazing that on the if the you know if your viewers ticked opportunities Google that the image of that is gorgeous. The bubble wound is just amazing on and it is forms as colony You can divide them every three to four years and plant them up again if you so you would like to. If you have a site in your garden that has perfect drainage I would do it to spe- Weary a of if you have gophers you can put a man go for basket. Yeah definitely if you're going to grow something from seed for four years put it into gopher basket people the ex exactly and sees a very expense really really cheap inexpensive so seeds could be two dollars players but for a bolt if you would purchase a bulb at nursery usually. It's about ten dollars right so they can get really really infringe share. That's how it would say it really expensive very dear yes very dear Or the drive in the lease as if you're cutting with those. They not necessarily have a resume. Matic Bulb Colony sometimes They can in have a single bold and they could be in that That state for about a good five years in my my experience agreeance Sometimes they have the little small little bubbles that her while bills that on the side of it Axel which it is? It's really fun to see those. Those are the hardest ones to deal with. Usually you won't find those in the nurses that often you might find seeds like of Lillian requests the Liam blander which are very gorgeous but really hard to to master the garden which I've had opportunities to grow those things in Luckily I mastered but I take it with cleanest halt uh-huh 'cause sometimes failure is Filial is its its neighbor. You know it's a part of the experience with growing lillies or anything like that caliber. So I I enjoy failures sometimes because it teaches me a a lot. Like the drainage was really bad or the drainage was too fast you know dried out Can I just trade this relationship with this garden. That has just really interesting. Some out there all the time you know there's moments where I'm just like okay. I'm tired I really really WanNa work something different and I. I have that opportunity to do that. You know let's get Kinda Dine. I'm just like okay all right. Let's go talk to you. Know Iris's or it is like raising children so it really is. Yeah Okay so when you started your party line fine him from seed. How long did it take until it? Actually germinated Oh. It's less than so I planted in the fall when it's a October and you would see it One of the first leaf So a Monaco. In March in March you would see that in March and then okay sorry sorry and and then how long does it take. Until that bulb is mature enough to send up a flowering shoot yet from that state right there. It would take a good good for forty five years. Yeah so what I do. I plant a lot a lot sees a different times too so I have for this year there about three different stages in my garden. I'm in Propagation Section so I planted get them back in two thousand sixteen seventeen eighteen so is always a constant you know turnover I would certain. Yeah and why is this important. Joe Joe you know I I I love I love the lillies. You love the lillies. They're they're pretty colors their their diverse. Why is this kind of passion and then advocacy to two with one another and with the general public? Who may not yet have this love? Why is this important to you into into the broader world? Do you think Joe Joe will. I'm just grateful that I am actually in a day and age or a time where I get to experience them and to have a sense of you've Preserving them not not just a lilies but the areas are rounded That's probably I I my takeaway from my experience with these lease is that I really appreciate the colors. They bring the the smell evening. Just even the Because believe it or not like the flowers only lasts for about like two weeks garden. That's like another you know two weeks and there's a whole lot of time to look at. It took me a while for me to appreciate that the guys it's It really opens up a world of clamp blindness. Being taken away from you. Yeah I guess if that's the right word because it does remove a layer of of does is not being aware of it. There's something there's a gym outside in the floors and it is a gateway for many people as well That was for me as well. So yeah is there anything else you'd like to add I would encourage people to Try I am out if you see them in the you know the plant sales. Don't be afraid in other so many information relieving the you know day in eight of information. So there's so many people who have worked with them and seem them in cultivation so don't be afraid and also take the opportunity to not just be like on your phone you know captioning all the photos but actually be the presence of of you know. Each one of them is really different. Even the same species I think Each one is really interesting and unique and beware of the animals that need that. Plant the butterflies all the different types of native bees. He's That living in the flower so be present in a That's what I would take away and most important thing. Thank you very much for being a guest on the program today. It's been an honor to speak with you. Oh you're welcome. I'm super happy. They got to talk to you. It's amazing love it long. Aw Gardner Educator Husband and Lily love her Joe. Joe Clark is a naturalist working on interpretation public engagement government and education for the Napa County Open Space district taking him to both state and county parks in coastal northern California. Join US again next week when we head to. Our nation's capital a lot of news is coming out of Washington. DC All the time but we're there for the gardening news and we'll be joined by. Cathy jets founder and editor of The Washington Gardner a magazine. An information hub for gardeners owners of DC Maryland and Virginia. I'll be speaking at a symposium on women horticulture and diversity at the Smithsonian Institute and and Smithsonian Gardens on March eighteenth of this year as part of my National Twenty Twenty speaking tour around my book the Earth in her hands seventy seventy five extraordinary women working in the world of plants. So I thought I'd like to get the lay of that gardening place in advance for more information on this and my other speaking dates and locations. Make sure to check out. CULTIVATING PLACE DOT COM forward slash events with more than twenty-six dates around around the country. This coming year. I'm looking forward to meeting a lot of you. In the places you cultivate I met the Sacramento Perennial Annual Plants Society on January twenty third and then up in Portland Oregon for the Hardy Plant Society of Oregon's Winter Lecture on January very twenty six. So Mark Your calendars. I want to meet you together. We grow made the New Year. Bring you and your garden family family. The presence and time for the deep and healing love deep an intentional presence that Joe shared with us. Today there are so in many ways. People engage in and grow from the cultivation of their places. Cultivating place is a listener supported co production of north state public public radio over excavating place dot com this week for your New Year's intention setting botanical. PICK ME UP CHECKOUT JOE. Joe Clark's six luminous photos of the lillies. He's met and some of which he's grown in his place here in California. Our show producer and engineer here is Matt fiddler. Executive Producer is Sarah Bohannon original theme. Music is by Ma Muse accompanied by Joe Craven and Sam Bevan cultivating place is distributed nationally by P R X public radio exchange. Do you hear cultivating place on your public radio station. You should in the next decade. May you ever enjoy the cultivation of your place. I'm Jennifer Jewelry. Thank you

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