Hurricane Dorian batters coastal areas of the Carolinas
Now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell good evening ritual and we're going to have bill karen's tonight and also the the death count in the bahamas. Now is increasing tonight and the health minister said it may rise dramatically from where it already is and so we're going to take a look at where that stands tonight that is becoming an increasingly increasingly tragic story for boating warnings from the from the health minister even as announces the increase death ball. It's just very very chilling and very worrying. Thank you for joining the navy. Seals are now are most prominent special forces unit. Their history goes all the way back to world war two but the oldest a special forces unit in our military is the fighting group that started the special forces concept army rangers who trace their history to be four the revolutionary war and i grew up knowing a lot about army rangers and holding them in awe because my uncle john was an army ranger my uncle john thomas corley was born to irish original grigson brooklyn. He graduated from west point saw combat in world war. Two and career was wounded in world war two. He earned eight silver stars eight and his military career after he died in nineteen seventy seven and my uncle john was inducted into the ranger hall of fame and i have admired many people in my life including many people i've known well and worked with but i have been in full of exactly one person my uncle the war hero army ranger hall of famer and a portion of that aw always extends to special forces veterans and combat veterans and you might detect some of it tonight tonight when i introduce you to former army ranger jason crowe who you will meet and who i will be in tonight's episode of meet the freshman jason crowe is a freshman democratic congressman from colorado who won a congressional district last year that a democrat has never won before he is bringing his military terry experience to his new job. He's bringing his constitutional law experience as a lawyer to his new job when he considers the question of impeachment and you will hear the story of how an encounter after he had with an iraqi man when he was on patrol in baghdad helped shape his decision to come out in support of an impeachment inquiry not a political politically easy thing to do in the district jason crowe represents you will meet and i won't meet congressman. Jason crowe later in this hour and that is something. I'm really looking forward to in this hour. I think you will to presidential candidate. Cory booker will also join us tonight but we begin tonight. Were the news demands we begin. We have have tragic breaking news tonight. From the bahamas on what hurricane dorian has already done to those islands with the death toll there rising significantly tonight to a new total of thirty victims and we have the latest tracking tonight about what hurricane dorian might do next as it approaches the carolinas we have our live live report in a moment from wilmington north carolina which is bracing for a possible direct hit from hurricane dorian. The mayor of wilmington will join us and we'll also get the latest from the bahamas homicide on a situation that is turning more tragic by the hour we begin with what you need to know right now about what hurricane dorian might do next and for for that we turn to meteorologist bill cairns built. What is the latest right now. We're waiting to see if we're going to get landfall overnight lawrence. That's the big dramatic thing will the highest. I wins the one hundred mph winds. Will they move on shore or stay offshore. That'll be the big determination of how much damage we have in eastern north carolina when we all wake up tomorrow morning so during the day day today the storm brushed by areas of south carolina and i brushed it left. It's mark almost three hundred thousand people without power but it didn't do a lot of significant damage with the storm surge that was one thing we were concerned about the charleston area and even savannah for that matter and that was okay and we have we can did a little bit. We're now. We're down to one hundred mile per hour. Maximum sustained winds gust could still get up there about one hundred in twenty if you're in the worst of the storm and that's the question who's going to be in the worst of the storm as we go throughout the next four hours. We're gonna parallel. The coastline that northern is very close closed areas around wilmington rights bill beach go through oslo county the camp lejeune marine base there north topsil beach and then we could possibly get that landfall here carter at county near atlantic beach morehead city the beaufort area where the cedar island ferry takes you out here towards ocracoke. That's where we're going to be watching the possibility of the highest wind and so far they mentioned it. It hasn't been that dramatic with the winds even willing to you're not that far from the center but you're wizar- only gusting fifty-five were forty-three jacksonville myrtle beach still gusting at fifty two on the backside the storm but your weather will dramatically improve as we go throughout the night and so here's how we're going to see this playing out so here's that potential landfall in eastern carter county sometime time right around. It looks like maybe two three a._m. In the morning net could have the wind seventy five and ninety five miles per hour. We could get the peak of the surge to at high tide about that same time so we still have some problems there and then we take the storm early tomorrow morning over the top cape hatteras. It looks like by about ten a._m. It'll be crossing land in getting out over the ocean and then by noon tomorrow after about two weeks of watching what will be a historically remembered in never used name again. Dorian will be gone lawrence at noon tomorrow bill. You think that might be the last necessary. Reporting on this. I in the lower forty eight and the only caveat is that that this will slingshot up become extra tropical almost like a nor'easter type storm and go into nova scotia. They're gonna have some high winds and rain on saturday but it'd be it'd be a different beast than the hurricane. It's been now bill karen. Thank you very much for taking us tonight really appreciate it and how is it looking at this hour in north carolina right now. We head to wilmington where n._b._c. news. Correspondent cal perry is covering dorian for us there cow. What is the situation there lawrence just to give you ninety. I'm undercover. We're here. We've had three inches of rain in the last three hours that day. Lose is something that officials are worried about because the story here is flooding. I'll step out to see you can kind of hear the difference that you heard bill saying there. We're getting gusts up to about fifty miles an hour. Now terrible to be honest can considering what this storm has done on its way here and what people were expecting. A big part of the story here in a big part of the reporting needs to be what happened last year in wilmington. Hurricane florence hit one year ago next week and it cut the city off from the rest of the estate. This city was basically an island for a period of forty eight hours and because of that some people have decided to stay here and ride out the storm because they were <hes> able to get back into their homes last year. Emergency officials are telling people to hunker down this is sort of the meat of this storm and again just a reminder to anybody who you still has power power on in much of the city once those winds get fifty miles an hour and we're sort of right on that line. The authorities are not going to be able to get out and do any rescue efforts so important for people to remember for the next at least six hours. This is the time where they really want to hunker down awards cal perry. Thank you very much for joining us live report and for more on how the residents of wilmington north carolina are dealing with hurricane dorian. We are joined now by phone by mayor bill. Sappho is the mayor of wilmington north carolina and and mr mary we just heard from bill karen's that by noontime tomorrow this hurricane could be already in your history books. But what do you expect to wake makeup to tomorrow. In terms of the consequences that have already landed on wilmington a lot of raves and we're getting it right now of course a <hes> probably <hes> some downed trees and hopefully not paralyzed possibly power lines were also come down as long as this is the second time i'm in in a in a year that we're dealing with a hurricane. We had florence last year. Now we're dealing with dorian and it's <hes> you know it's it's obviously i say are kind of <hes> on whether weary but <hes> we're ready to go to hunker down and we'll put our assets our streets as soon as this storm passes now. I know you have a lot of experience as a coastal city in the carolinas align is dealing with hurricanes and anticipation canes but did you do anything differently this year based on last year's experience. We did <hes> last. Should we just we were cut off in the world for four days because the allen areas flooded and interstate forty i mean ari coming into the city was funded for four days. So we pre position fuel. A lot of resources that came in from the state early on <hes> were pre-position into higher ground closer to the city <hes> obviously we have been going through these hurricane drills a couple of times a year so our our teams down here first responders emergency operations officials always always learn something different about every storm and <hes> we learned a lot from florence and we pre position assets closer into the city does time than we did last damn <hes>. If this thing does come ashore there will be ready to to help the folks in the sentences on in our community. What do you want to tell the people of wilmington who have of <hes>. What do you want to tell them tonight about what they can expect in terms of being able to return well listen to what the emergency operation folks folks say <hes> you know gives us some time to get our crews into the streets and clean up the debris would make sure that they're already down power lines not livewires wires or somebody doesn't get hurt educated <hes> and let us get those things out of the way getting them cleared up before you move back into town. We'll give you the the all oh cleared to get back and you'll be listening to the state and to the federal officials as well as local officials on before you make that track back into town and we also want to make certain yeah we do have any roadways that are <hes> flooded. We we want the citizens to be aware of them because we we lost several people last year where people try to transverse oh rosa were covered and could make it and unfortunately <hes> balser lives because of it so we want people to be cautious and vigilant. Just listen to what emergency operation folks are. Can you mayor bill sappho wilmington north carolina. Thank you very much for taking the time to join us tonight. We really appreciate it and dwayne dr duane sands the health health minister of the bahamas who joined us on this program last night told n._b._c. news tonight that the death toll in the bahamas has just increased by seven to a new total of thirty. Dr sands told n._b._c. news quote. The official count is thirty. We expect a number two climbed dramatically. I certainly believe based on the findings in the field that the number will rise dramatically. I really believe that based on the geography topography. The separation due to flooding collapsed buildings thinks that this is going to take quite a while. I mean the zone were talking about islands in range of fifty miles settlements that are separated we literally you have to go house by house to inspect some of the structures that have collapsed. It's going to take quite a while. The logistics are incredibly challenging. It is a horrendous challenge right now. The prime minister has attempted to prepare the public for the ultimate confirmation and the expectation that this has been a a devastating storm and loss of life and property. Dr sands told n._b._c. news that the next death toll update will come sometime time tomorrow and joining us now by phone is the honorable quasi thompson. He is the minister of state for the grand bahamas a minister thompson. Can you tell us what you know. At this point about the changing death toll it. It suddenly went up by by seven. Is that because it's now easier to be able to make some of these identification recovery's yes. Yes and i wanna say good night to you tonight your to all of the folks in the u._s. In the world who is joining you're absolutely correct <hes> no of flood waters and our receding <hes> prisons are now able to get into <hes> the areas that were impossible before and so now now in that <hes> recovery mood we are we are recovering and and seeing now the unfortunately <hes> the <hes> that exist exist <hes> i am on the island grand bahamas on this team really is happening on the island of grand bahama read the second most populated island in <hes> in the hamas. Go a bit more populated than arbuckle <hes> and we are there some areas that we only were able to reach <hes> today <hes> unfortunately <hes> <hes> recovering bodies today <hes> so the prime minister and adopted signs absolutely correct that <hes> the official count on washington washington es is going to increase one of the grimmer points of news that we got today was the fact that the island's need more morticians more the people who know how to handle dead bodies and help in the identification of dead bodies and they are flying in from the united states as many <hes> as can is that the current most important focus is finding and identifying these victims well. That's that's one of the focuses. I mean we've been doing that today. <hes> getting into the eastern side of our island today and unfortunately we we did recover some bodies <hes> today <hes> however that's just one of the concerns <hes> we have <hes> hundreds of poisons on island that <hes> homeless <hes> we we have about four hundred now remain in shelters a number still well with their families. <hes> <hes> one part of our island was really completely devastated air. We had flood waters in the range of twenty feet high. <hes> some person trapped in their addicts had to be rescued. <hes> we have <hes> we announced shut up feeding banks because obviously listens or lost their houses. <hes> beyond complete island is out of power and out of water so the government has mobilized <hes> thankfully persons of have come forward the anada receiving relief items. I've been are mobilizing to get those relief items. <hes> impotent communities we have feeding centers and the now trying to feed clues provide water <hes> provide those essential supplies just to keep a population are there areas of the island's that are so remote that the the people there who have survived won't be able to find their way to a safer place. They won't be able to walk whatever that distance might be well. The island of grand bahama. I also the island of arbuckle really <hes> how the number of keys so you can imagine tier areas that are in in regular circumstances accessible by boat and in some cases only by small boats <hes> we compound at with <hes> the area's only accessible by one road and dot ruled either may have been washed away with a who would would have debris was covered and so it would have taken some time to access <hes> those those areas because of the up because at the time <hes> but we have done so <hes> by by way of heavy equipment and access those roads in some cases we've actually had to use <hes> vassals just go around the island to get into different different areas <hes> and so it has been challenging but the lease <hes> defense force on 'em officials <hes> i really commend because those so comes down and says the the <hes> stepped up the prime minister has said that we will spend no expand to ensure that <hes> we would began to recover that we do what we can into south population and that's really what has been happening minister thompson. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. We are very sorry for what has happened to your islands and what you are continuing when you discover in this aftermath. We really appreciate your time tonight. Thank you and we want to thank all of your listeners. <hes> we've gotten tremendous support <hes> commanders outpouring so we want to thank all of those persons who have been in the recovery effort and i've offered their help on assistance to us <hes> thank you very much. Thank you appreciate it and when we come back one of the most devastating hurricanes that has ever hit northeastern united states was hurricane sandy which brought devastation like we have never are singing to new york city's staff nyland and new jersey cory booker was mayor of newark new jersey van. He brought people into his home then to feed them to let them stay there and he saw what is always true about a hurricanes surviving. The hurricane is one thing but surviving the aftermath aftermath is something else surviving. The aftermath usually as much more difficult for poor people just like everything else where he booker will tell us what what he did leading his city for the aftermath of superstorm sandy. That's coming up hi. It's katie tur- want to keep up with m._s._n._b._c. While you're on the go subscribe to the m._s._n._b._c. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented the era of news text m._s._n._b._c. two six six eight six six to subscribe the destruction caused by superstorm in hurricanes like dorian cost the united states billions of dollars in damages every year but when it comes to escaping surviving and recovering from a natural disaster. It's like everything thing else. Poor people suffer the most a report by the national bureau of economic research states the obvious there is a broad consensus that the wealthy can access access a wide range of protective strategies from owning a second home to accessing better quality medicine food and medical care and housing the poor are are thus more likely to bear the incidence of natural disasters. Our next guest has had hard experience dealing with the catastrophic effects of superstorm arms on poor communities cory booker was mayor of newark new jersey. When hurricane sandy hit new jersey in october of twenty twelve sandy had just been downgraded to to a tropical storm by the time it hit new jersey but it's still left millions without power and without a place to live mayor cory booker invited members of his community to eat and sleep in his home in the aftermath of the storm now united states senator booker is a democratic presidential candidate and he joins us tonight from newark newark new jersey senator booker. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. I wanted to get your reaction to what we just heard. The minister. Tell us from the bahamas hamas that the death toll has risen by seven tonight. It was down in the low twenty s at went up to thirty and we're told that it's going to probably rise dramatically atakli tomorrow and i want to get your reaction to what's happening at the book in the bahamas and what we should be doing to help well number one. My heart aches watching the photos and the videos and seeing what's going on there but you really hit the nail on the head. The when the storm in passes the danger persists we lost people here in the city lost lives in the days after because of things that folks often don't think of remember hurricane sandy hit in october. It was cold. People often make mistakes running generators indoors and we lost people to carbon dioxide oxide poisoning people need medicines and access to lifesaving drugs that sometimes z._v. refrigerated well. If you have no power your drugs can get spoiled. There are so many life life threatening things that happened in the aftermath of the storm that they are not out of the crisis yet and this is a test of our compassionate empathy right now and i'm hoping that folks are finding the right places to go to contribute to this effort because we here in the state of new jersey believe it or not have still people who are recovering their lives after the devastating loss and again lawrence i appreciate you on so many levels but pointing out the resiliency that people of wealth waffen have but low income families poor families it could be tragically tragically devastating to their lives and the impact can be lasting an traumatic and lasts for years no listen i know people who in the aftermath of hurricane simply pulled up and went to a hotel a distant hotel and and i also know people who lost their homes had nowhere to go and after sandy i didn't get through jersey but i was up in staten island which was absolutely devastated and i i. You're not surprising me by saying there. There are people in areas housing situations that have not recovered have not been made whole since sandy. What is the what is the government's responsibility in the aftermath of one of these storms. I think this is these are moments. Where we you have to understand. It is all hands on deck that word responsibility has everyone has to take responsibility and lawrence. You and i live in the new york new jersey area. We have seen from nine eleven to hurricane sandy. Where is the best of humanity. Come forward where people were there for their neighbors. They were there air for their community. They never stopped working and i know first responders and the aftermath my team was going days with very little to no sleep leap whatsoever but i tell you what we set up a hub in newark to receive resources and we're getting truckloads of food and water from states around around us people sending their emergency crews here doing sort of joint rescues because we had people stranded it was it was an amazing moment where i saw people didn't ask what party you're in. What background the best of who we are well. I think that's patriotism. I think that's love of country but love should stop at our borders. This is a time that we need that same kind of grace to the bahamas and what they're going through in america. We are one of the best nations if not the best nation often for showing showing support to a lot of our neighbors especially in the caribbean from haiti to the dominican republic to obviously in this case bahamas. I'm hoping more and more americans will think <hes>. Maybe i can't do everything but i do something even if it's a small gesture to help that incredible nation to recover that grace in the aftermath that you talk about i saw saw i witnessed it up close on staten island truly inspiring after sandy. What made you decide to actually take people into your home. I love where i live. I live in a low income below the poverty line community the you often see folks with little who consistently showed the most. I've learned about the definition of grace from living here in newark from people title where i've seen rise to challenge sometimes. It's a murder in the community family. That's been victory over frankly b._s. And so i just feel blessed blessed to have opportunities to return to a community so much for me so in that aftermath i was in the command center and literally running around the the city and i got a text from one of my neighbors who just said look. The power on our side of the block is out. Your side is not going to look. I'm not using my house going constantly. Just here's how you get in anything that you need. I'm going to send food resources so it became a hub. The problem is is that i got a lot of attention engine for doing that because i was a mayor but it was going on all over newark all over new jersey to see the deep decency and goodness in in our country when there's crises that happened i have to say than sometimes visible storm passes. I <unk> hope empathy can often continue to deal with other crises. We have whether it's environmental injustices or scourge of gun violence because we are at our best as a community eighty as a country when we don't let the lines that divide us ever stop us from tightening those those those those those bonds that hold this country entry together and we need more of that. I was in the nineteen eighty nine earthquake in san francisco. I've never seen anything like it before. This was one of america's americans will remember happened during the world series horrible devastation but i'll never forget that was the first major national natural disaster. I was in that weeks after you could go to gas stations. You go pull restaurants. There was kindness in the air. That was so profound. I saw america. It's best and i hope that we can continue especially in this era where we see demeaning and degrading happening at behavioral happening at the highest office in the land i want to see in our country and this is one the reason running for president a revival of civic grace so the spirit we often see come out when we were at our worst can also come out during times of relative tiv- com or without these kind of natural disasters that remind us about american goodness. We need more of that now more than ever especially as you see more partisanship arisen ship or more i would say more more just divide in our nation senator cory booker. Thank you very much for joining joining us tonight. We really appreciate it lawrence. I just want to say one more thing story about your uncle really moved me and there are heroes like that that we don't celebrate and we talking about the right now with first responders in crises a heroism you talked about in your uncle and we don't know and i now know this privy into it more as the united states senator whether it's rangers or seals special forces people out there right now as we speak out there doing incredible things i give honor to your uncle and to all those the americans or a continuing tradition so all the best to to your family's legacy. Thank you really appreciate it. Thank you for joining us tonight and when we come back president trump obviously wants us to talk about his defaced weather map tonight. He's doing everything he can to keep that story alive and often donald trump keeps a bad trump story alive. It's because every other trump story is much worse after this break john howland sam stein will join us is to discuss what we think. Donald trump doesn't want us talking about which includes taking money away from schools for the children of military rick personnel and using that money for you guessed if you haven't guessed it. You'll get the answer after this break grew up back. This is the second prison trump apparently wants us to be discussing his abuse of weather maps. He must want us to talk about it because he kept tweeting about it today. The president is personally keeping this story alive the story of him using a defaced weather map to try to prove that hurricane dorian could have reached alabama. Why is he doing this. Why does he so obviously want us to talk about this this story it's a bad story for donald trump but it does seem like it might be one of those deliberate trump diversions because the story we turn to now is much much worse for donald trump and worse in the view of trump voters and that is the new information. We have tonight about the money. Donald trump is diverting -verting from the defense department budget to pay for the wall. He promised his voters mexico would pay for. I will have mexico pay for that wall mark. My words mexico will pay for more believe me and and who's who's gonna pay for the wall mexico hundred hundred percent. How is the next rally going going to feel about. Chanting the pentagon will pay for the wall or we will pay for the wall or school. Children of military personnel will pay for the wall. This is a much worse story for donald trump than a fake line on a weather map. The defense department's diverting three point six billion dollars away from one hundred twenty seven military construction projects projects in twenty. Three states are being funded to pay for the wall nine of those construction projects are for building or renovating schools calls for the children of u._s. Military personnel utah a state with two republican senators is losing fifty four billion dollars in military funding that will be sent to the wall arizona senator martha mcsally who has supported the president's emergency declaration that he is using to justify the diversion of military funds uh-huh is now watching an army base in her state lose thirty million dollars to pay for the wall and that's after the secretary area defense had personally assured her that arizona wouldn't lose any money former astronaut mark kelly running as a democrat for the senate in arizona. Zona is already pulling ahead of republican senator. Martha mcsally mark kelly now says that senator mc sally quote didn't keep her word when she promised is to protect funding for arizona military bases as local news stories continue to appear in the twenty three states that are losing military funding to pay for the wall. No republican senator has suffered a harsher judgment in the local news media the north carolina republican senator thom tillis who must i survive a republican primary before entering what will be a competitive general election race for his reelection next year. A charlotte observer editorial said the loss of eighty million dollars in military atari construction. Spending in north carolina is quote an eighty million dollar punch in the gut and a lesson the thom tillis never seems to learn the lessons here. There are or at least a couple. I don't trust this president. Donald trump will not hesitate to burn anyone including people who've previously helped him to get the political victory and also when you buy political favors in exchange for your principles. The bill is always more than you thought it would be. We're joined now by two highly experienced political journalists who could surely deliver the best jokes on this program about the trump weather map but have agreed to temporarily leave that to the late night comedians while they concentrate on the issues issues. The president seems to be trying to us from john holliman's with us. He's a national affairs analyst for n._b._c. news and m._s._n._b._c. he has co host and executive producer of showtime's the circus and he's one of the a truly great writers who has fixed his focus on politics and are the better for it joins us. He is the politics editor of the daily beast and he he is an m._s._n._b._c. Political analyst continues to deliver some of the most important reporting of the trump era about what the trump administration is actually doing ninety <music> levers of power in government vami not saying i mean you're the one who goes inside the government in these stories that few us of find the space to cover and tell us what what they're really up to so. Let let's start with you on this question of. He wants us to talk about the hurricane map because what's the thing he doesn't want us talking about. Is it the money for the military money. I don't buy the premise i okay i. I think you know earlier. When i was covering trump i probably would have bought the premise the three dimensional chess and i certainly do you that the military the diversion military funds to the wall is an embarrassing story if anything anything a complete absence of his campaign for the entire republican party yeah because they they allowed this to get through with the transference funds but i've come through observation and reporting that trump is just sort of clinically incapable of moving on from these things into him. There's no greater slight than being perceived as is being completely out of touch with reality and so he's now gone through almost a dozen tweets a proclamation statements written upon maps to prove that he was right about about alabama and what's particularly bizarre about this and why. I think that this is a very bad story from in its own right. He's doing all while our country is still dealing with turkey and it's not like the hurricane has passed north carolina's about getting it right now so it would be one thing if we gone through this. There was no damage but he's literally distracted by proving that alabama was in the crosshairs as north carolina is dealing with this. I meant to include this in the premise. I cling to the to the possibility that it's both yeah yeah. There's an obsessive and he has obsessive behavior all the time but he's also aware he's looking at those maps segments and going well. They're not talking about the the kids schools that i'm not funding well. I think this is the right answer and i will say not obsessive pathological as the word you're looking for. His pathology is a pathological liar. The pathology apology however is triggered by various bad news on other fronts so the pathophysiology gets up intensive when he looks around and sees what all the domestic political fraud he looks at polling where he's getting beaten like a gong in every swing state by not just joe biden but by many of the doubt further down the scale will democrats he looks across the ocean. He sees fred boris johnson getting beaten about the face and neck every day telling us how smart boris johnson and then and then he looks at the economy on me where we have news just this today this the survey that these certified accountants financial industry executives who are more pessimistic about the look for the economy than they have been in three years and you've got data coming out that suggests that we have a looming recession so economic news political news foreign news all bad stories for donald trump and it amps up the instinct for pathological lines. Let me just say it's not like this. Particularly savvy effort virtually no not want us. I guess i'm just making hers. You say it doesn't take sophistication to try to divert attention to something a little bit more positive than you have ranting about alabama and writing over man. What's he gonna go do a rally somewhere. Leave the oval office. Go down to the border. The building the wall there are things you could do as the president united states to divert attention and much more positive ways instead of bringing attention to yourself with someone who is incapable of getting over the idea that alabama may have had gusty winds lawrence points out in his loft around chen. What's he gonna do is go to a rally in the key and the key element of the rally they build that wall mexicans get paid for do that anymore. Be more stuck with the idea that mexico and painful the guy can maneuver through this. What's remarkable to me is that he just unable to get literally get out of his chair and try to do something. Ask other than tweet and say look at this map. I drew on it gets the last word in this round because he really likes the stein. Thank you both for joining us tonight and when we come back it's tonight's episode of meet. The freshman freshman democrat jason crowe colorado is a former u._s. Army ranger who served three tors in iraq and afghanistan says donald trump's plan to divert money from military projects to pay for the border wall is putting military readiness at risk crow is also also working to keep the kinds of weapons that he used in on the battlefield out of the hands of america's mass murderer is he's one of the democratic freshmen who won in a republican public district and who has come out in favor of the impeachment process. This is a freshman. You're really gonna wanna meet. That's coming up when the news began to break yesterday about exactly where the three point six billion dollars military funding was coming from to you pay for the trump border wall freshman democratic congressman jason crowe of colorado was on a bipartisan delegation trip to the southern border with republican can representative don bacon of nebraska. They were right there at the border. They are both members of the armed services committee which has original jurisdiction over that money that is now being diverted to the trump wall. Karston crowe served in combat in iraq. He also served in combat in afghanistan where he was a member of the elite army. Rangers are military's original special forces unit. It was his service in iraq that informed his decision this summer to support an impeachment inquiry and a medium he imposed. He wrote announcing his decision on impeachment. He told the story of patrolling the streets of baghdad when an iraqi man approached him with a problem that should have been settled in court but the man told jason crowe that there was so much corruption in iraq he said justice is hard to find jason in cro. City is hearing that same kind of thing now in the united states he wrote. I recognize that the values i fought for overseas where now under assault at home home i didn't run for office because i dislike donald trump iran because i love our country and he ran in colorado district last year that has never elected a a democrat in his statement supporting impeachment inquiry congressman crow wrote during my tours in iraq and afghanistan. I saw what happens when government officials are you're above the law when democrats campaign in previously republican districts in the west. They usually don't like to talk about the gun one problem in this country but jason crowe ran as a democrat who supports banning the sale of assault weapons. I look at the gun violence crisis and how it's torn apart so many families enough is enough. These are the weapons that i needed when i was fighting in iraq and afghanistan aghanistan and now they're tearing our communities apart when my four year old daughter comes home from school and tells us about the bad guy drills that she has in how she had to hide in a dark closet and be quiet in case a bad guy ever came to their school. I've had enough of this tonight's episode of meet the freshman you will meet congressman jason crowe. He will tell us what the people in our government working in the southern border told him yesterday and today about what they need to secure our southern border. We'll get the results of his informal poll of border officials on the question of to build or not to build the trump wall. That's next and for tonight's episode of meet the freshman we are joined now by the forty year old freshman democratic congressman jason crowe of how thank you very much for joining us tonight congressman really appreciate it beyond lawrence. Thank you <hes> you were down at the southern border. Just as this news was breaking on the three point six billion. That's being diverted verdict from the jurisdiction of of your committee the armed services committee to the to fund the border wall. What did you hear at the border from the people working there about what they need at the border so every location we visited. I asked one simple question because i didn't want to <hes> guide the answer in any particular direction i just said what is your greatest need from washington. What what can we give you to help you get this job done and accomplish. Your mission on the border and every single person gave me the same answer. They said we need more personnel. They didn't say a wall in fact one agent that i was talking to said you know. It doesn't matter what we build. We put a fence. A wall slats barricades. They always find a way over under or through it but what we need is more personnel more agents so that just illustrated to me that the president's dry hi for this wall is a political decision. You know he's driving this based on his politics and his need to show strength or or to keep a campaign. Promise whatever it happens to be but this is not what the folks <hes> are saying <hes> certainly to me as their number one priority. It sounds like the kind of question that if a member of congress found you you in iraq when you're serving afghanistan that a wise member cars what about you what you need is that is that where that kind of question comes from for you. Well what i like to do when i do these visits he's congressional oversight of visits. <hes> i just wanna get information. You know my my job is to get information to assess that information and to make good policy. You know it's not the drive politics in any of these situations. That's not my background around you. I grew up in a family of small business owners and construction workers. I worked in construction to put my way through college. I became an army ranger. You know my job was about getting things done <hes> for my community and for people not about politicizing issue so i always want to try to get the best information possible and that certainly my background. I want to go to your decision this summer to come out in support of an impeachment inquiry. Tell us how you got there. Yeah yeah you know i wanted to assess all the information. I wanted to wait to see what the muller report contained in it. <hes> i read the whole report was shocked by its contents contents. I still am shocked by its contents wanted to hear what robert muller had to say. <hes> some of the other testimony ultimately at the end of the day this was about rule of law this this was about my experience as you mentioned earlier and iraq and afghanistan and seen firsthand what happens in a society when people don't trust government anymore when <hes> rule of law and order in process breaks down <hes> and i started to see some indications of that you know early on my campaign you know i was talking to some folks out on the campaign trail trail and <hes> you know several of them said listen does it doesn't really matter what you tell me and you seem like a really nice guy but i just don't believe this system works for me whether you're republican or democrat and that really shook me human that took me to the core to hear people saying that that type of <hes> apathy and resignation and i wanted to do something about it and that's why i said <hes> recently only that you know we have to conduct an inquiry congress has to cert- itself in this process and maintain checks and balances if we're not able to do that now than when congressman <hes> what is your constituents reaction been to this because as we've said stress that you're the first democrat to represent this district and here you are earn your first year saying you wanna have an impeachment inquiry of a republican president well. I walked people through my thought process on this. I'd get out of my community a lot hold town halls and coffee's on the corner roundtables all the time you know over the last month. We're here on our the district work period. I probably thirty or forty public events out in the community. I need with anybody and everybody. I take their questions and i walk them through. My thought process and i i think that's a a a lesson for other focuses. Don't hide from those interactions and even if people don't agree with you necessarily if you show up if you're willing to have the conversation with with them talk through the issue keep an open mind listen what they have to say be respectful of them more often than not <hes> th th they'll be okay with the way you come out because i always i remind my constituents said the promise is not agreement one hundred percent of the time you know if <hes> if elected official comes up and says you know you're going to agree with you a hundred percent of the time they're not telling you the truth the promises about <hes> you know making sure you're transparent and open with folks carson. Jason crowe gets tonight's last word. Thank you very much for joining us. Please come back really good to have you here. Thank you good to be on. Hey it's chris as from m._s._n._b._c. Every day. I come come to the office and we make a television show an everyday. I think to myself there's so much more. 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