Carla Hall Does It All
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Alison Roman for tickets to the fair or the challenge visit food waste fair dot NYC today. We are sitting down with the amazing Carla hall. She has had a fascinating career. That's taken her from accounting to modeling to top. Chef it's been quite the ride, and she's here to tell us all about it. We will hear from Carla hall right after this message from handsome brook farm. Handsome brook farm believes that organic and pastured is the way to go. When it comes to eggs pasture-raised means better lives for hens better lives for small farmers and better eggs for you. It's also better for chefs who depend on rich, flavorful, eggs, handsome, Brooke farms owned flock of amazing chefs their mother hens count on it. Suzanne visitation is a mother hen. She's the chef and owner of buttermilk kitchen in Atlanta curious, how chef Suzanne makes her French toast with caramelized bananas, the ingredients include whole milk. 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So you one of those peop- I wanted to be one of those people. I said I just wanna get up there and say, I am becoming a woman who unapologetically speaks her mind. A woman who isn't afraid to change her mind and a woman who grows her mind, and that's all I wanted to say, you know, and then I had it on my calendar. I was looking through all of the dates that she had in her tour. And I was like, okay. I'm going to let them know when I can come in what city so I'm looking through the entire tour dates and the only city that I could go to Cleveland, and I wrote it on my calendar in December. And I put a question, Mark. And then I said in my assistant, I said, oh my gosh. It's almost March sixteen that you reach out to Michelle Obama's team. She was like, oh shoot. I didn't. She reaches out two hours later, they were asking me to host slash moderate. Now, I'm holding my phone, and I'm like, wait what I respond within two minutes. All caps. Absolutely. Just in case because my name wasn't in the text. Just in case they didn't mean to send it to me. And I was going to let them deal with the awkwardness of reneging that request. So I am sure enough they meant to text me. And I was on the docket to do this interview. And it was the only date that I. I could have done it. They had asked me for any other date. I couldn't have done it. That is remarkable. How does one plan for an interview with Michelle Obama? So I had two weeks. I read the book, I listen to it. On the audio book. I've I've only read it. But I bet it's she narrates. She said, and it's fantastic. I was making notes I had all these tabs in my book. And then when I was listening to it. I was making notes in writing questions, and after that, I just they don't give you anything, by the way, they give you nothing. They they said, you know, figure out your own arc and send us the questions a week out. So I had a week to do all of this. And then I lived no rain rules. No ground rules. Wow. Pino Browns radio cherry bomb. Now. No, really, we got your entire list of Grenville kitchen. Carla had no ground. I I don't even think to send ground rules. So so I sent them and there were two questions that were just if any way and they were like, okay, not those. I'm like, I get it. And I just went and did it, and I had my questions on white papers. So I cut and pasted them and put them on cards that matched my dress. And let me. Tell you what's the sweetest thing. So Rachel Ray sent me flowers to my hotel room, and she had done the interview in Detroit, and she's doing it again in another city, the most beautiful flowers and the card said Carla you've got this in big letters. I wish I was there with you have fun, and I took that little card, and I pasted onto one of my red cards, and that was the top card that I had when I went onstage with Michelle. And it was just I and I just kept holding. And I was like they hear Rachel and seriously, it was it was just the greatest the greatest moment. And I was really really nervous. But once I talked to her, and I was just just in the moment. It's just you know, what Karl your questions are so thoughtful, we're just gonna have fun. And what that said to me was you know, what wherever it goes. It goes we're just gonna be too. Talking here. And so I asked her one question, and I just let the conversation go, and I was and I remember everything about it. Because I was present. And I looked at my cards maybe once or twice, but really it was just about her. And she is so gracious and her superpower is her empathy and her caring, and she takes care of you as the interviewer. She will not let you fail. She really takes care of you. And it was it was just amazing. Yes, she's remarkable. The Boston one was so emotional from the moment you step out of your car parked car. And like just you saw so many people walking to where the talk was young women older women men and women people taking pictures with the cardboard cutouts of Michelle and the hallways. I mean, it was just I start saw. I mean those prize. I started sobbing like the second the music start playing and you knew like she was finally coming on. Yeah. That oh, well, let me tell you not that. It's a fun fact. But it's not even really fact it's a funny thing that happened. So just before we're in the word backstage, and they're playing the movie about her life and everything and I'm getting ready to go back out there because I introduced that little clip, and we're drinking water, and she has her little flask of water that says becoming and I have a box of water, and we're doing cheers. And I said, oh, I'm drinking with Michelle Obama, and she had laughed and whatever she Lavaux. However, she laughed. I just taken the water, and I sprayed it on the former first lady, I sprayed her in her beautiful outfit, and I have never sprayed anybody. And I'm trying not to use the word spit. But I'm just giving it a better a better name. Oh my God. And I said take on the first lady, right? And then so there's somebody out there saying I am becoming and I just looked at her wet. I mean seriously. I was like what do I do here? My god. And I saw from social media, your mom and your sister. It was so special. I'm so glad that they could come. And you know that the interesting thing about that whenever I'm talking or doing events. I'm so used to going by myself because people can't disrupt their lives to come with me, especially if it means travel, and so I don't know why didn't think that they would want to come. And so I said to my mother, I'm do, you know, anybody in Cleveland who wants to go see the first lady, I'm interviewing her. She was I will I would like to go outside. Okay. All right. I'm going to get your ticket right now. And then three days later three days before the event. My sister says you still have a ticket. I would like to go like really, but my sister is a teacher so for her to come and she has to get a substitute. She has to do all of these other things, and I was like, okay. And that was amazing. And after the event and my sister busts in the in the dressing room, and she comes in. And she's like, oh my God Carl you did. So well, I'm so proud of you, and she hung. Me and that just took my breath away, an all almost made me cry because my sister is not that person my mother's that person. But my sister, isn't that person? And I realized how I do need my own people there when I do things, and so that was even more special and just to realize that sometimes we we forget, and we just we're so busy just doing it. And getting it done and being strong that we forget that we need our support, you know, our support system there just a hug us and just to be there for us. And I'm not I'm not Carla the person on television. I'm Carla the sister Carla the daughter and an hour Carla the wife, and so that was special. Oh, amazing. Congratulations. Thank you, graduations, was something you said earlier about what you are becoming. And you said a woman who grows her mind, I feel like that sort of a central theme of the book and the tour about how you're always growing your. Always changing and growing your mind is a is sort of that. Yes. You know, when I did top chef I sort of became comfortable with being uncomfortable and throughout my life. I've had these challenges, and I and I I just look at them as a challenge to help me get to the next space. And I'm like, okay. I know this is hard. And and sometimes I have to just stop feel it and say, okay, I'm gonna keep going. I'm going to move through this. And and I'm better for it. And I know I'm better for it. Just whatever comes to me, and I don't play it safe. And when you don't play it safe. And I've I've said to people you're not going to be great. If you wanna be safe, you're not going to get to the place where you are actually making a difference in this world, and you are doing the thing that you were meant to do because you have to grow to that place. So my six word novel is say yes adventure follows then growth love. So what are you here to do? You know, when I got the chew, and that was so unexpected that was twenty eleven that was twenty eleven. Yes. I was like oh my God. Why would I be on this show? I don't know how to host what? And then I said, my prayer is authenticity. My thing. I think is to remind people that they should be themselves because everybody else's taken. And you're you're meant to show up fall fail. Be happy. Joyous. If that is what you're feeling not because that's what you think you're supposed to do. You're not supposed to pretend like you're smart. I mean, get the information and be smart. You're not supposed to pretend like it's funny. If it's not funny frigging don't laugh, but the power comes from actually doing the thing that you really feel and I think so often people forget to check in to see how they feel and even with my hair going gray. I I was like this. This is who I am. You know, I don't have to look thirty and. I don't have to be that person. Because society has told me that women on television, look better when they're look young. And so every choice that I make is I check in. I'm like who am I does this serve me? I never do an endorsement with any company that I wouldn't use my own money to pay for that thing. I don't I mean, there's a a lot of people come into me and ask me what about this alcohol? Am I eat my alcohol in dishes? I don't drink. So I don't I don't do that. And because at the end of the day, I'm going to say, I don't want. I can tell you why I wanted to do that thing. I don't wanna make up a reason why all my. I don't want to do that. And I will absolutely tell you. And I'd be very open and honest and confident why I chose to do whatever it is. I did. So I wanna take it all the way back before top. Chef I want to talk about your modeling career. I used to work in beauty and fashion. Yes. I love anything, beauty, and fashion and Paris. I love to hear got to work in Paris. Yes. So how did that all happen? I was doing accounting. I had moved. I was working for Price Waterhouse when it was a big eight in Tampa, Florida, and I done the fashion shows at Howard University. They were big, you know, for homecoming and for the spring fashion show. And so when I went to Tampa, somebody came up to me and says do you model, and I said, well, I have an university. And so it became a way for me to meet other people in Tampa because I didn't know anybody. And after two years, I was working that job. I hated it. I was like oh my God. I hated it. My grandmother had always said it is your job to be happy. Not to be rich. I'm like. Cool girl because I'm I'm gonna leave this job. I'm glad to have nothing. Nothing in front of me. I met these girls who were going to Paris. And so I said, you know, what I'm gonna do that I paid off all my bills, and I had one telephone number of a girl who knew somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody like four degrees of separation, and then I had ten words of French. And I just went and could you say in French back, then poeple phone stay? I don't speak French. And then I went when I got there. I was trying to order something at the patisserie. And I said on croissant tubas bossy would play the lady goes and this was in late eighties. She says. Cla salt deba-. Okay. Cassat do see play. She's like close assault do and her her mouth is turning down. And she is she is just like really impatient on my. Oh my God. I'm gonna I'm gonna starve to death here in Paris. I I'm not I'm not I'm never going to get anything to eat at the time. I didn't eat ham. But I could say hem. Oh, so I was getting a ham sandwich. And I finally got that croissant. And so it was and then I had to go through the whole thing of finding an agency which is just like finding a job. They don't just take you on, you know. So, you know, I'm one of the skinny girls walking around in black with her hair all slicked back in Shingyoung with the portfolio studying there in eighty nine. So I remember you girls. Yes. I was one of them. I mean, I wasn't the one getting the job. But I was one of their walking around, you know, with the book. But that must've been I mean looking back now that must it was to look back on it. Maybe at the time when you weren't getting the gigs. I I didn't care because it wasn't the thing that I wanted to do I recognized that period as being the bridge between what I knew I didn't want to do. And what I wanted to do. And I had no no expectations of it. You know, you couldn't tell me that I failed at modeling because I'm like, well, I don't want to do this. Anyway, I was on accountant. You're not just don't wanna do that. So I was good. I did that for two years, and then I left Paris and went to London. And and it's actually in Paris where I started finding my joy and love of cooking, which I'd never cooked. I never cooked. So this woman Elaine from Memphis used to do these big brunches with the models. So all the girls would be saying, oh, my mother does macaroni like this. And there's mostly black Americans. So we were making macaroni and cheese while they were macaroni and. Cheese and buffalo wings, and if they could find the turnip tops, they do turnip greens. So we were just sort of having an American feast in Paris, and they were talking about how they made macaroni and cheese or how their moms made macaroni and cheese. And I realized I had no idea. How was it that I don't know that I've been eating macaroni and cheese for twenty five years. Why don't I know how to make it? And so I started buying cookbooks. And I started cooking for the people who were allowing me to surf on their couches. And it was a way to say. Thank you. And I just kept doing it. I remember reading that. You said you did not learn to cook from your grandmothers from your mother. Now, my mother does doesn't cook she makes hot water cornbread. But she really doesn't cook she made five things. So you really piece this all together on your own. I did you taught yourself how to cook. And paris. I did I and then that was five years when I started cooking, and then I went to culinary school at thirty. So what were you doing in between? I laughed. I started a lunch delivery service as a fluke. When I say fluke, one of my friends who was in Paris at the same time. She had come back from Paris. I was living with my sister in DC. And my sister was having a baby shower, and I was like, oh, I let me do the food. It's just like, wait. What do you cook? I'm like, yes. Let me I'm gonna make some skulls. You know, I'm going to do some chicken curry, which I had learned the coronation chicken and London. So all of these little things that I picked up. I said I'm gonna make you some food and people were were actually surprised that I was volunteering. So I made her food, and I told my friend betrays couldn't come. I said Patrice I'm going to bring you some leftovers. So you can taste my food. It's just like great because there's nothing to eat around here. So the next day. My brother-in-law had eaten the food. I'm like, wait. What I know. I'm staying with you and everything rent-free, but this is like an interview my food here give it to my friend. So I made some stuff I'm like one going to put it in. I looked around. I was a picnic basket. I said okay on the put all this stuff in a picnic basket. So I get to my friends office. And she introduces me. Hey, this is my friend Carla. She has a business and I'm like, yes, I do. And then like what's the name? I said the lunch basket and there, and then I I gave out the food. And they're like, what are you coming back tomorrow, I left there went to the grocery store got some stuff made a bunch of things again and every day, I went door to door hair salons, doctor's office florist and within a week. I had seven clients within two weeks. I had fourteen and I continue to do that for five years. And I worked every single day for five years. I was going to say fake it to you make it. That's it you hustled. I hustle. I mean, as a matter of fact, I was offended when somebody told me that I was a hustler. But I'm I it was actually now I understand that. That was a compliment today. It's a compliment. Yeah. Art. I know right. I was like, no. And I had a a mail truck. I bought for two hundred dollars. Yeah. I mean, I didn't I could barely even get the brakes work in. But you know, if you went down the hill yet the start breaking like at the top. Oh my God. Look at you. Now. Carla hall, I know how did top chef happen. Somebody calls me from my name was submitted from John discography by Catherine Newell Smith, and they were looking to get more women to apply the day that I got the call from magical ELS, my sous-chef at my catering company said I had a dream last night you were on top chef. So when I got that call I had that message on my phone. I was like, oh, you're not pumpkin me. You're not punking me. And I didn't return the call until the next day. So because I was like seriously. But then I looked at the numbers say, oh, wait, I think this is an L A number. So I sort of it was a fluke, and I didn't know Catherine Will Smith had given my name, and I went back to her. I've never asked her for any referral or anything or reference. I went to her that we do a reference to me she said, of course, silly. I gave them your. Name. I'm like really I mean, I literally came went to her on a whim, and so it was a couple of different interviews like that. And and I had my second interview. I was in. Now, my first interview I was at the CIA, and I just did my little interview. I went back to the train station to come back to the city Cullen Sotoudeh of America. Yes. Thank you for that. It was twenty minutes from being on the train. I looked at my phone. Oh, I have a matches. Now, I've been at the train station for about an hour waiting to leave. And I said, well, let me check my messages, and it was hi Carla. This is known so calling from magical elves can you come back to get a second interview. I was twenty minutes from getting on the train. They wanted you to come back that day or the train to go back. Well, right. If I had listened to my messages, I mean, these days I'm gonna listen to him but back, then I I, you know, I like, wait the. So I went back. It was crazy. There were so many little moments that say this is where you're supposed to be. That's how my life that is my life. I'm telling you. I believe in that I exercise that muscle of listening and saying to the universe, please be here when I'm not sure which way to turn and give me a sign and it happens throughout my life. I met my husband on match dot com. The first day that I went on. He picked me up. I was on there for a week done. We were married nine months later. I mean ticket booth because you know, I don't have time for that. Oh my God. Have you written a book about your life lessons yet? Now. That's my next good. I'm doing a memoir my next because memoir, I feel like the world needs. Too much. So what is it like to audition for top? Chef when you go in the row. So you have this big twenty five page application where they ask you everything, but the kitchen sink, but you know, can we have your firstborn all that stuff? Right. And then you have to do a video. So when I did my video, I'm like, let me have fun with this. I did. Okay. I started at like this is a day in the life of Carla hall. I got up it was dark outside. I said we're going to go. We only gonna run around together. And my next shot. I was down on the mall, literally running what you didn't think regard really on Iran. We're running and I was like speeded up and running down on the mall in Washington DC. And then I went to my catering company, I made something and then at the end of the video playing yahtzee because this is my life, and I am rolling the dice. And I rolled yahtzee. And that all that was on type. I'm like yahtzee. And then I submitted that that video and and so you do all of that. And they they had me come in. And then when you go in front of all of the the decision makers Andy Cohen was there there are bunch of people there, and they're about they're about eight people in this one little chair. And then they were talking about watching top chef and your experiences of watching top. Chef will I didn't really know about the show. So I had just binged all of the episodes because you know, how they play all of the episodes before they start a new season. So I just watched them all and I was like, oh, this is a cool show. So everything was really fresh, you know, and I remember this moment where Richard blaze and Dale tally. They were at an improv house, and they were doing this food moment, and I got really excited because I'm like, oh my God. They tried this. Then I was all into it. Because I just watched it. So I think. My excitement probably got me cast it. So you did not win. I didn't top chef. But I would argue you one I think so Richard blaze. Always reminds me of that. Hey, richard. Thank you people are still upset by that. Because when they re watch they'll let you should have one. And I remind them if I had one I wouldn't have got I wouldn't have done all stars. It was it was an amazing experience. And I'm so grateful for that franchise. I really am. It was it was it was tough. But the thing was when I was doing it. And I'm like, I only have to think about one dish at a time. You know, really? I I have you know, when you're catering, and you have your own business, and you have the phone you're stirring, a pot with your foot, and you're doing all these other things, and you know, but on top chef really, you're it's one one dish. But there was a spa. Right. You know, someone who runs a catering note telephone calls. I'm like to give you my phone. Okay. What? Because there are no phones there. There are no computers. There's there's no no newspapers none of that. And you're sequestered. And for me. I was like. Waiting to exhale. It was amazing. But there was one defining moment when I was on top chef in it was for restaurant wars. And I thought I was going to go home. I oh my gosh. My my my meal. My desert was a mess. The ovens were off. I put in peppermint extract instead of a nila in this chocolate. It was just a mess, but I'm standing up there, and I'm really nervous. And then my heart is beating and all of a sudden, I realized nobody has ever died up here. Nobody has fallen out and died, and that that is the ultimate worst thing. So I just calmed down. And and then I didn't go home. And so after that, I was free to do whatever I needed to do. And that's another thing. You know, it's hard because you're in your head and that was a life lesson for me. So it's just like feel it moved through it and go to the next thing. It's interesting when you think of that concept that you. Didn't win. But you one. Yeah. Because I feel like you've talked a lot about that in life that even know something doesn't happen or turn out the way you expect. It's not the end, exactly. And that goes back to Michelle. Yeah. You're always you're not one thing throughout your life. Right. So many things Michelle talks about this swerve moment, you know, when you swerve. And there's you know, you're on this path and you swerve to another path and my entire life in the in the words of Michelle Obama, I've been swerving. If it wasn't for those swerves, I wouldn't be here. I really I really wouldn't. So yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about last year last year was a tough year. Yeah. Yeah. In a few different ways, some good things. But some definitely tough things the chew came to an end. Yes. Yes. That you came to an end. I love I loved that show. I really did. It was it was surprising. And it was fast. It was swift. We had to. More weeks. Once we found out we had two more weeks to tape. And we were like, you know, we're gonna get the efforts we can be snarky. Everybody all the fears that you had about not being picked up. You're not picked up. So where are you going do have fun? And we had the best time. Interestingly enough when when we were told to things came to mind one my husband had just quit his job two weeks before. So as we were being told by the head of ABC daytime it was wrong time for a joke. But I'm like, oh, wait hold on. Let me call my husband because he just quit his job. Maybe he can get it back. Okay. He didn't think it was funny. But I thought Larry. And then the second thing that came to mind in season two when I thought I was going to get fired because it was it was such a learning curve that it was physical. It was it hurt. My I would go home crying and my stomach was hurting somebody. I don't know this the learning curve was so steep, and I went to a psychic. And I said just tell me if I'm going to get fired because I can't afford New York. So I I needed to prepare for the Anchalee to get the heck out of town. And he was like no that show is going to go for five more years. Season seven that was the second thing that I remembered, and I was like, okay universe. So what's next, and I didn't I did go through a period of sorrow anger a little bit of grief. But I also knew ultimately if the show didn't end I wouldn't have left to go to my next space. It would have something would have had to have happened in order for me to leave it because I loved it so much, and so that's how I look at this. And I said to the guys I said, we will know within a year, why the show ended, you know, and and to have that hindsight sometimes is the best thing. But what that reading gave me was the the will to look to see to be open to go into with intention to go into life. Like, okay. I don't know. What's next, but let me be open. It's it's very similar to go into a grocery store is saying, okay, I'm going to have make something delicious. And you see the entire. Store versus going in the grocery store saying I'm gonna make a lasagna. So you see more than just what those ingredients are for the lasagna. You see everything you see the possibilities. And so since since the end of may, that's what my life has been like, and I've had some amazing opportunities and some things that I would have never done because I wouldn't have had the time to do them. So one of the other challenges of of that year was your restaurant. Yeah. The restaurant closed the restaurant closed, and I was very opening up front. That was hard. I'm still losing money on that restaurant me too. Never ends. Oh my God. I don't even for those of you who listen to the show regularly is now part of the former business owners are Brooklyn club that we seem to be gathering on radio cherry on. But it's tough, man. It's tough. It's tough. But let me tell you builds character, it builds character, I have shell Obama, having empathy. I have so much empathy for people who own restaurants. Yes. And eateries and all. It is not an easy. And I think when people ask me, oh, what are you going to open a new restaurant? And if you catch me on the bad day, if you catch me on a bad day, and usually I'm pretty upbeat. But if I'm if I'm tired, and you and I've gotten that question three times already. I have heard myself say to somebody. No, I'm not going to open a new restaurant, and I don't wanna lose money for you. I mean, I'm like Karl what the heck why are you saying that so this poor little asset? And I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's just it's just you know, it's hard. You know, I think if you toughest business I've ever been in an I've I've done a lot of things about my career now. Yes point. Yeah. The restaurant businesses the toughest hands down. It's the toughest. But let me tell you. I learned so much about myself again, I know that every single experience is there for me every single experience that I have is there as a lesson for me. So I learned about what I am passionate about in terms of my food. And southern food. If I had done that restaurant. I wouldn't have had that cookbook about soul food if I hadn't done that restaurant. I wouldn't have these experiences about going into business with other people in what questions to ask. And you know, and so it was great, and I share those lessons, and I think that a lot of times when you are public figure people don't share the real lessons about something. And they don't they want. They want to appear like everything is great and awesome. And you got here very easily. And so I shared those failures and the six things that I learned with my restaurant failed. And I talked about them about a conference for multi unit foodservice operations, and then eater picked it up and then shared it again. And other chefs have come up to me and said, thank you for sharing your story and being honest, and I'm like. I I want to I can't warn you because you you have your own path. But I want you to know that it's not as easy as you think. Even for me, I'm on television. And you assume because I'm on television that it's going to be easier that I can skip to the front of the line. I can't you cannot do it in a restaurant. And there are lots of other things that you can't skip to the front line for. But that is definitely want. It will eat you and chew up. And and you little girl who want to open a restaurant because you like food don't do it. Yeah. It is tough. We talk a lot on the show about how people finance their businesses. Yes. Because for women that's often a challenge. Yes. You did a kick starter. I did I did a kick starter not necessarily to fund the business. But Moore's a marketing tool to let people know that I was doing it. And to go on that ride with me in hindsight. I probably wouldn't do it or I wouldn't do it with that amount. I may have done it. Let's say, oh, let's do a thousand dollars. It wasn't my idea to do two hundred thousand dollars which is not a lot of money for a restaurant. But people judge to me for that. I think that we started the campaign way too early because we thought we would take people through this journey because people don't know what it's like to open a restaurant, but all it create. It was frustration ending Zaidi and hate mail. So yeah, I've I've kick started things that never came to fruition. Yanked her fortune. But yours did. I was the frustrating part. You had a restaurant and we had fifteen hundred and four people to to. And I don't wanna use the word donate to be a part of our Kickstarter campaign and supporters the supporters, and I was so grateful, and the thing that kept me pushing where those people and even though those people would say, oh, my God, you have my twenty five dollars. And they didn't realize how that meant how much that meant to me. And so every day that I thought that was one delay after another. I looked at those names. And unlike thank you to these people, even though I may not have been saying to them. And then when we actually got funded I cried, and it was because of those people and that community I was so grateful at if it didn't come across that way. You know, I really was because I know for some people twenty five dollars is a lot and they chose to give it to us. But it does go back to what you said. There's too much emphasis on. Oh, everything is success. Everything is glossy, and shiny and wonderful. And we don't talk about failure. Yes enough. Yeah. That's why I like Dyson vacuum cleaners. I I love those commercials he failed. And then we have that. Great dyson. I honestly get the vacuum cleaner because of the commercials because it reminds me when I'm using it this vacuum cleaner would not be as great if it hadn't been for the failures. And it is a mantra every time I'm vacuuming. I'm honestly remembering that failure breeds success. Absolutely. Despite what happened with the restaurant. I feel like you put so much. Good stuff and good vibes out into the universe that you have repaid. Everybody back, and that's thank you. We have so much to learn from you. It's a long time to meet, but I'm really happy that we did. And I'm thrilled. You're part of the bomb squad. Now, thank you so much. I I love talking to you carry and I'm so glad that it worked out. And this was so wonderful. Just thank you very much. That's it for today show. Thank you too. Carla hall. All for speaking. With us. You are such an inspiration. And we are very happy to have you in the bomb squad. This interview was recorded at the wing and Dumbo. 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