Robert Glasper On How To Get More Young People Into Jazz
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I mean, he's probably going to win an Oscar and Tony before this is said and done actually shares that strategy in this upcoming episode strategy. He has a plan. He has a plan. His latest project is called are. Plus our equals now. And he is just one of the most connected dudes and jazz and hip, hop and bridges that gap beautifully. He hails from Houston, Texas, but has called New York home since nineteen Ninety-seven and in that time, he has collaborated with so many people that we have shared history with sure like common cute below the roots Yaseen bay most deaf one hundred assess EV one about do who both guests Quincy Jones a ho and on this show like on a few other's early in the season, we opened up the what's good hotline. And asks you the listeners to call up until about your connection to jazz music. I'll be honest that still trying to figure out jazz me. Right. Inches suggest for time through the Cosby busy the left peoples are on the air, and I had to go after my dad like who is this guy. And what did he do? I took it from the Cosby show, the open my eyes when I was about three or four my mother betrayed his Guidon Altro he would be watering her plan plan role. And that's the first in Berea actually played Jasdaq phone from when I was like nine until about nineteen jazz was really the first music actually did understand. I think that laid the foundation for everything else. Pete raw. To jazz without even knew really realizing what was going on. I was an elementary school kid. I started learning those jazz bombs that Pete rock sampled from end I've been jazz lover ever since we still got Robert from because he was and still is somewhat as a gateway drive into the John refer me. So at some point my brother introduced me to the rubber Batra trio, and that's one I finally understood the whole complexity in relatively. Amazing amazing. 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This funny like men expressing love each other. They usually have to end it with the, bro. It love. Extra gates thrown. Yeah. Yeah. Love you pro. Love you love you. Guns gun. Football. We're back in studio with Robert glass glassberg. Oh, yeah. Robert was up. I don't have a clap simulator. Nothing. Anticlimactic? I do. It was a blouse. Post Ataman post office. So you just finished a one month. Residency blue note, forty eight show or the shows for eight shows how does one even prep for that. I don't know. It was it was I I don't know. I don't know how it got through. It was that your idea. No. The club the club as my management. They do it from time to time with different. Well, they've only started like three times with will only with three artists Dizzy Gillespie like nineties hurt as I'm the. I'm the person to do it in general. But yeah, they came to us with the idea, and because I have so many at my hands so many different projects, and they have a few different bands. You know? So they're like you can do that. And do you want the whole month? So I was like oh two shows. I did too shows the night. So for forty eight shows twenty twenty four nights forty eight shows and I did Tuesday through Sunday Monday was my day off. But really Monday was prep for the rest of the week. And we sold out forty four of the forty eight show completely sold out prop show. Wait, wait. The clap clap. Robert what what what are your earliest music memories? Earliest music memories from my mom, may I remember being three KOMO mom was a singer in the pianist, and she sung all the John Ressmann funds jazz Aren be she thing. But Goss, you know, what I mean in our member, I literally remember being like three in rehearsals, sending against the wall. Watching f- obviously going to sleep waking up. They still rehearsed. You know, and to the point where also my mom, you know, she wasn't a big fan of random people watching me like babysitters. She needs to be around me. If my aunt can watch me, no one was watching. You know what I mean? So she's the bring me to the clubs when she's performing like doing her set. So she would have me in the back room and have the waitresses. She knew ships walking Dan checking on me why she's doing her set shoot run-off between songs it check on me. Oh, yeah. I was at the clo-. She just didn't do babysitters. Now understand why you know as a. Dad now, you know, you hear horror stories and show. And maybe sometimes you just couldn't didn't have the money. You know to be flat out, you know. So you gotta do what you do. But I remember her parking the car right by the door of club in the back and me have to stay in the car because I wasn't allowed somehow they wouldn't allow me in the club. Yeah. So she had to come out and between songs like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. And check like literally that happened. I know that happened one time probably never again that's weird. But that should happen. You know, but I I was always around the music and around the hustle. You know, what I mean of doing music and needing to make ends me. And seeing my mom have the passion for music and seeing her work other jobs, so she will work from nine to five at a every day job, you know, and then come home and change and be out the door by seven to go to her job that's from seven to three AM. My mom would go to work at seven. She said if when I come back home you buy the sleeper on that pm. I was awake. I I was allowed to be awaken. Play the one thing. She would not take away from as playing. So I was able to be up, but be on the piano. What's the first time? You jumped on stage with a as a piano player. Once I started driving was like Houston. I was like fourteen you could drive is to drop her off at work, which was a bar called the bistro vino in Houston. When our pick her up from work around twelve o'clock midnight, pick her up. I used to have the park the car. Go upstairs, and I had to play the last with her, you know, every night when L pick her up the bartender knew the director of the high school for the performing visual arts. He was like know your son's really talented word I can hook it up to where he could get an audition for, you know, this jazz director at the high school for Menard. There's only one there in Houston, and you had to be sewn to it to go. But he was like he needs to go there. They'll pull strings even though you're zone, even though one's own. So I went there. Addition crushed crushed it. And I ended up going there that really pushed me to be at the high school with that much talent my first year high school with the Elkins school regular high school. And and I was the piano guy at the high school. You know, they were having to play all the new hip hop. I remember I need love came out. Everybody. You don't have to play the piano and Brian McKnight songs for the girl. Do I was doing? So you can play and read that's what I learned. How I learned playing by ear. Blur, lavar Andro songs off of come on mom and my dad played Lou Lou. The reason why play piano is because of Luther Vandross Anita Baker, really, and my mom seem alone that album that out. Yeah. I told her that when I finally met her and stuff like that. It's like, you know, giving you the best that got sweet loves her just maybe wanna play the piano, you know, and and with Vanja to they both use real panel Anita Baker when I I got a chance to go on the record with her not too long ago. She's never recorded that Hannah player a piano when she's doing her vocals as a player playing the piano. It's not a track that they gave her and she sings over the track, you know, so that just attracted me, you know. So your mother performed under the name, Kim Yvette. Yep. And I think we have some audio of her saying look at his face. Which we'd like to play. We know yet. Hurried the Franklin by. On on. Of his gospel. Recording started doing. She's doing Ghazal like late nineties early two thousands. But before that she was all like disco pop Aren being. But she always was the bee's director at church. So she would do the disco pop Rb stuff during the week. Literally will be like. Sunday morning. She was director traits. So that's funny, y'all the first interview of ever done where they play my mom dope. Never did that before ever in my life. Did you stay going to church with your mom, your mom didn't know? Well, I did know when I when well she wanted me to so when I moved from New York from Houston to New York for college, my past the church, I went to Ratliff he made a call, and I was immediately working at a church. Call Canaan Baptist church in Harlem sixteen. Yeah. So immediately seven. Yep. Literally, I the my first two days when I landed the next day, I was at choir hersal, you know, played it that church about two years. But then I started going to tour with different people down a block. Yeah. The church joint was was the jump walk. Oh, yeah. I mean, I walked to the train station on on Sunday mornings. NBA? Oh, yeah. For sure I was like Michael Jackson performance. One hundred percent. Like like, not just Harlem residents, but I'm talking about like chores, wrong Europe and Asia like lows around the corner, and you up in up in there. Yeah. You know, we read that you lost your mother to tragic circumstances back in two thousand four and you sit on Twitter. My mother was murdered thirteen years ago today the week of my birthday, I turn that pain into fuel an inspiration to be better and make her proud. So you had this like deep musical connection with your mother. And I'm just curious all these years later, if that's something that still feels like a vital and active connection. One hundred percent. You know, she's always with me that she was my biggest fan, you know, the moms that overly brag for no reason, this is like, you know, she was just a Bragar. And she she always made sure that I felt good about myself. And that I was always good enough. And you're great. You know, what I mean like as a black man coming up, you need that as a boy, you know, especi-? Because I, you know, a lot of times to white schools and stuff like that. So she I think she also felt the need to make sure I felt felt that you know, what I mean. And so yes, she's one hundred percent always always there. I was in my son looks just like her. Oh, wow. And that time he tells me he misses her. He never got to meet her. You don't be I miss. I miss. I miss grandma Kim, and I'm black. Wow. She she's right there. You know, you don't even you know. So yes. One hundred percent there for sure. Toby? Yeah. You did a Grammy of ward winning soundtrack, call miles ahead for miles Davis. Yes. Yes. That was awesome. That the has to be awesome. But that's gotta be daunting to our Jesus. First of all is the first thing I've ever did soundtrack wise. And so Don Cheadle tweeted me, that's how I got the part. He tweeted me, he's like, oh eleven music. That was like, thanks your Don Cheadle. That's what I said back to I've been we got to the Ming. I really Don Cheadle. Response. I know I just couldn't believe it was my first celebrity tweet. I've never got. I was super high. I I went to was profile the big. He had the blue the blue. Yeah. So I was like we started talking a little bit after that. And then he said, hey, man, what you score this film. Have you ever score fills before? I was like. Yeah. Yeah. So then I did it was hard as hell that I've never done that before. And I had to do a lot of it away from dial while he was gonna lay guy with one tour my band stuff. So I had to do remotely to learn how to do that stuff and cinema guy did that he was sending me. And the thing is half of the movie wasn't shot yet. So he'll be sitting me with the season. Look like in his head and be like, I need me for that. So a lotta times it'll take me ten tries of music for him the for the single what's his head the SO. I would have to write something. And then they would bring an actors the actors had to act like they're playing what I wrote and then vice versa. Some things already shot, and we'll just put them on mute, and we had to make what they're doing look and sound good. Yeah. Look and sound like the best band ever. So I as a as a world class jazz pianist your historian, as well, I mean, you, you know, history. So what was it like working on a project that would obviously have to really take into consideration? A lot of a lot of history and a lot of subtlety. It was great miles Davis Davis. But I already knew it because that was my I know you did what about Don as a as a, oh, he he did a lot of people. Don't know, man. He got us. He got a scholarship to college for saxophone like he's cheating. Okay. Don't you? He's a physician to like do plays some base like he picked rehearsal one day going up some of the music for a scene picked up the based planning jackal tune fuck you do like plays drums, though. So he really know acting those music theory in a real way wherever the talking railway musically. But you know, he actually learn how to play trumpet for real for the row like you can actually play melodies and stuff like that. So it's not all fake. You know, what I mean kion my boy? Breaking I'd have to go over, and, you know, make it seem like it cleaned up some of the stuff, but a lot of stuff the fingerings. Correct. Does he play he had to play to some actual mouth recordings? You know on in the movie, but the fingering that he's doing his, correct? Wow. Pricey story though about the Grammy. So Don didn't they were gonna win it? So he didn't go. He was like, bro. We're going up against suicide squad strata Compton. The Amy wine house story. We're not winning heavy hitters. I was kinda like and commercially successful each an emotionally success. We were not commercial. Mouths shoulder. Like, three theaters. They were. So I was like we're not winning. But I'm like, let's just go at least celebrate getting nominated. And I was like if we win you gotta get dressed and come down because the category was earliest hell, it was like twelve PM. So then when we won I called him from the stage. I think I was like y'all we want I'm on stay. So he gets dressed, and they come they come to the things we go back out. I walked the red carpet going in. So now, I wanna walk it with done or got to walk with with the hardware with the hard way. When we went to walk without the magnet. Everybody came on us. Rick Ross this person this person, you know, so we walk. We walk the red carpet. Everything's cool. We go back into the Grammy's. We try Don went because he had been in yet. So they scan ticket. They scan my ticket ready the skin all my teams ticket already. So when we went to go skiing, again, they're like, we can't rescan. Did you leave? We're like, yeah. They're like you can't come back in. So we tried to go to the televised portion of the Grammys they were like, no. So we're standing outside. Are you damn I should have been? They don't give it to the Emmys where they give you. So I'm standing outside me all the people the guards. Like, no be while all these people are passing me up like Robert glassware. A pitcher congratulates Grammy. Sorry. You know, he's like, I don't care. So to our for them to go get people the IB's. We finally got it. Our we we touched on your residency at the blue note. Yes, which you switched up with different projects. So you've got your solo work. And then you've got the robber, Glasser experiment. I don't do this anymore. You don't I'm not doing it anymore. So why? I just have somebody different projects when I did it for ten years. So now just have so many different projects that I want to get to you know, what I mean. So I had the same ban for ten years. You know? So it's just time to move on. When you're saying you have projects you want to get to like like what project? Oh what? Perfect. Talk about what one of them is the group that I have. Now, we put out records are plus our our plus our equals now. They did the last week of me with me, and it's like, basically like a super ban. Christians got trumpet on terrace. Martin on keyboards invoke Laura's that's Derrick Hodge on bass Taylor mcferrin Liebeck's in and keyboard stuff and just. Yep. Bye. Bye. Became by the club sided with us. Really? Yeah. Tell us. All right. This is Jerry nasty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what that's what are the groups. I'm doing now, you have the other group August green common and Kareem Riggins, you know, so and I have a bunch of other stuff in my pocket that I haven't done yet. So August green that was conceived around tiny desk concert. Is that right? Yeah. Around there. Yeah. I saw two White House before months. The White House does NPR. Most Shii so much. So. Licy would be. That was like, I'm honestly, I'm like trying to find words because when I watched it, I was just Mudgal drop. I mean, you know, one it was President Obama's last days. So we all emotional about that. But then like, you know, what karma was sharing in Blau singing, and you wanna keys and Kareem and the sister you had playing flute Elena a up into Hughes. But it is amazing. Did you get any FaceTime with Obama? Now's not that not that day. But because he wasn't there that day. But when I met him at the Grammys bomb. I went to my second time for the White House. I went for international jazz day and performed a song with sting and Herbie. Oh, no big deal. But. This is my life every day. Wednesday. But that day, I got to be talk to him and me terrorists terrorists limited. And we went and we got a chance to talk to him because bombers he said it in a interview like his favorite hip hop. Song was how much dollar cost Lamar. Yeah. And you know, and Taras produced record produced that song. So Obama sat there and talked to us about Hawaii loves how much holocaust, you know. It was so and I'm on all over that of a butterfly album missile. Just like it was like Cinderella. He's talking to us about the butterfly so maisy incredible. Can we go back to are? Plus our and get a little deeper with that what's that about? And so far are is reflect the name of the band is our plus our equals now equation. And basically it's reflecting responding eagles now. So if you reflect in real time, and you respond in real time, then you're now you're relevant, and that's what has to happen. That's what we're doing in music. You know what I mean? You know, what I mean where responding to what we hear with our surrounding is. That's why when you hear my music. There's hip hop in it. There's this this because that's now, you know. So I just wanted to get together. A bunch of artists who I feel have that same thought process and terrace Martin I've known terrorists high school really women to jazz cat he's from Compton, but we went to jazz camp together jazz player right soon after that he started being the director for snoop and then started making beats for snoop. And then you know, he started making beats and big that guy. You know what I mean? So he has the jazz hip hop. Both world things happen, then he went on to produce, you know, stuffing, all ours albums, you know, and when did Kate massive came out Kendrick Lamar album of the love that album like my favorite one of my favorite hop. Breaking. I love that record. I called terrorist. Like, yeah. 'cause he did a lot of stuff, and I was like terrorists, dude Kendrick album. You gotta give me on that. Somehow, please please give me on the. Somehow so push shove few years later. I'm in LA. He calls me go you're gonna lay right comes out today. Studio right now kendricks here where we're finishing up his new album let coup and I went there to play on the song. Call for free. There's like a point like second song Pippa. Butterfly. I play this Kenji day saw me playing. He's like oh man sound killing. And then he just started pulling up all these songs from the record pull up so and so place play what you hear out. Yeah. Pull up this pool of the I've played on eight songs sitting down. Oh, get out at one sitting Razi when you're working on pimp. Butterfly. What was your interaction with Dr dre dot? He wasn't there. Yeah. When I dependent butterfly. It was just at dry studio Madrid wasn't there. I didn't meet drizzle this year. We have been trying to meet for a long time for like two years. But timing never worked out. You know, what I meant trade at my fortieth birthday party in. L A this year this year, April six Dray, text me in my mind. It wasn't a big party. You'll just some people come into a club. The hang out. It wasn't like people were flying into you. You know, and you respond that your doctor Drako he hurt right? So there were like at right? Like, what time are you getting to your party? I wanna fall through. I'd say probably on ten thirty. I'll be there. Ten thirty pulled up Tim thirty. He pulled up same time. Thank you hurt. So look me him chopping up outside the party for about twenty minutes. And then he walks into my party with me, I walked to my fortieth birthday party in LA. The security guards. Let you in this time. They let me. Nobody saw me straight. Martha. She hands. So we walk in, you know, any hangs out and and her comes to the party. But while I was playing my just saw Dr dre walk up to her became onstage. Herbie's cited stay walked up the Herbie's and introduced himself to Herbie. Hi, I'm Dr. I add my party like like, that's like crazy as great as supernanny sort of. Let's talk about jazz jazz today jazz in two thousand eighteen I think, you know, that means different things different people. What does it mean to you? I come from a lineage of different styles of music that might people gave to the world, you know, what I mean? And so in my world jazz. It's a big house of many rooms, you know, black music in general for me, a big house with many rooms, and I can go room the room. You know? So you know in any given time it can sound like something like this signed that. But it's all improvised music. You know, just depends on what your influences, that's what makes us on different. You know, wherever you come from. This was going to be. So, you know, everybody's jazz isn't gonna be the same or sound like it's it's a story of a person. And where you come from you're lineage, and you know, what you love in life. What you don't love in life. All these things I think for for a lot of people that they think of jazz as an older generations music. They do how important is it to you to to bring younger people into the fold symposium because it was always a fill. I jazz is always been the new music of it's time, you know, the main in nineteen twenty it wasn't old. It was new thirty was new forty was new new sound fifties is the New South and the newest it's always been the new Imos guard like parents people like Lee. Doing you know, like, yeah. In ninety seventy same thing, you know, it just had its electron extremists came into play, and, you know, became jazz fusion, so then that's when the separation started happening where older jazz jazz musicians were like eh, you can't use a legend base. That's not real Jess. And you can't use electric board. That's not real jazz. That's where that separates started coming from. And when legend people started playing jazz, and it started mixing with funk, and yeah, you know, and then it became, you know, took on some other life and some other things. So the Kucic straight ahead cats are like no this is jazz over here. We don't wanna conform and change the sound. You know, we can't play that, you know. So that's what you get those people who are like, you know, jazz one thing Jeff is this. But it's not it's the the tradition of jazz that always changes. So if somebody says you got to stick with the tradition. They don't know what the tradition because traditionally doesn't stick. It's keeps moving can you share with us ways that you may be have. Attempt to endear younger people. Oh, yeah. I mean, well, first of all I try to incorporate more Jonah's of music, you know, because John jazz is not a thriving John of music. They're like ten jazz radio stations in the world, and they all play music from before nineteen seventy. So there's nothing connecting young people to the music at all literally nothing connecting. There's no reason why a twenty euro would like music will like jazz by listening to jazz radio. I can't be mad if they don't like it. It's the same thing if you played Cardi B right now for your grandmother. Would you be like why don't you like this? You wouldn't because you understand musically. And just the way life is changed in what you know. It's just different. You know, what I made this no connection to Cardi B and your grandmother for her song. Like like that. Pete rodriguez. But you know, you get that immediately. You know, what I'm saying if I play a little way from my grandmother right now, she'd be like what the hell is this? She comes from a real instruments. She comes from the hip hop world. So if you play if you flip flip that same idea around, you gotta understand why there's disconnected why they don't like it. It's it's not it's not a hard concept understand. So I just tried to incorporate those kinds of sounds in my music, the sound I like, you know, what I mean. I'm not selling out. I'm not pulling. I'm not putting things in my music. Just so young people get like it, and I don't like it too. You know, what I mean, these are things I also like I also like different styles of music, and I also liked to mix them into jazz and do that whole thing. So when people come to my shows, if you ever kind of one of my shows, you'll see how diverse the audience is very few artists where you'll have a eight year old white lady and a fifteen year old black that was my mom at the same. All the time. Like, that's how mixed my own says like it's super mix, which is not typical for for jazz jazz shows not typical for any show about it. True chew into interesting because you've been able to chief this without compromising yourself, exactly or compromising jazz. Exactly. Which is like that's like the impossible task exactly. Because that's the thing. Normally there's a weak link, and you can hear it if you know, the styles you can hear when the jazz musicians trying to play hip hop because you you hear that. And you're like, okay, you your fan hip hop. But you don't really know how to play the ship. You know, what I mean, you didn't really dig into or vice versa when a catch trying to play jazz jazz musician. I hear the first measure. I know it sure you know, what I mean. You know, what I mean jazz seems to lean towards a male dominated experience in in. You know, you do have Elena penny Hughes Esperanza Spalding. You know, you have women who are prominent the legacy of of all the Ella, Fitzgerald von's and everything but where women in two thousand eighteen and the forward progression of jazz. I think jazz just a male dominated sport. And I think a lot of females get run over by that last sexism in music in general, you know, what I mean? And so that's why I'm trying to be more vocal about especially people that have musical connection with almost every project. I do I call her to do, you know, I caught us around bras all the time. There's just it's it's imbalance. You know what I mean? It's not that the female jazz musicians lacking. Like, there aren't any out there. They're out there. And there's a lot of female musicians, great, great female, jazz musicians. You know what I mean? But it's just one of the. Things where I think guys have to pay attention and bring it to the forefront and try to change it is like white people change helping to change racism. You know what I mean? Like, it take somebody white sometimes to be like, no, this is how this would happen. And then people start listening. You know what I'm as like? Oh, okay. United may. So as takes men to start saying, hey, bro. She's dope. Why are you not using her? You know what? I mean. What's what's up with that? Yeah. So I just take it takes more of that. You know what I mean? So I'm just I'm trying to be more aware of that myself. And and try to change that narrative, you know, and not just make it about the singer all the time. That's when people use female singer. There could have been that box like a female play drums like some favorite jumpers females. Nikki Glaspie mazing Cam Thompson, there's so many. There's a lot of different great female admonitions out there in musicians in general, not just jazz. But we're you talked about your your audience being incredibly diverse and and raise an age, but I I don't know if that's typical for for for jazz audiences. I went to see my boy THEO coke or the other day and perform the audience was predominantly white. It's everywhere. Why do you think that is? I think a long time ago why people may jazz into like, a something you sit down and your appreciate. This is like one of those wasn't test match chessman. Yeah. Golf or some shit. But you know, it wasn't Harlem in the dance clubs. Everything's popping you dance. And you have the time then they took the took the dance the dance floor way chairs in it. You know what I mean? And then for a long time we weren't allowed to go to jazz clubs. You gotta look at it that way to by people weren't allowed to go to jazz clubs, even the people who are performing the art as you went to see wasn't even allowed to come into the front. You know, they have to go through the back command to eat mccutchen. And the you know, we were treated like shit. But we were the main act, you know, what I mean? So it's not something that we're used to doing going to jazz shows is not something that's normal. You know what I mean? So I think it has something to do with that. And I think it just has something to do. With. I don't know. I think black people just love new stuff. Like when it comes to like when you go to see like when you go to see jazz when you go to jazz clubs, you see older white people. It's not like you're saying bunch of young white people, you let me so as not necessarily that you know, what I mean? So it's I feel like when you do something that's related to now. And something the story of now you start seeing more black people. You know what I mean? But with jazz in general, I think that is so many jazz musician that live in the past it then living in the path. They didn't even live in. It's not even their past living. It alerted me. Like you weren't around in nineteen fifty. Where's your story that story? Nothing to do with me. Like where is your story? Sure, you know, and people don't have their own story. They have the the story they're taught in college or something Mailer what they think jazz is supposed to be democ and yet they're not liberated in being themselves. You know, may I remember when I got liberated. I remember the day. I saw Rugova play at my high school. I was in senior high school, a ROY Hargrove Kenema high school, and he had on overalls and templates, I couldn't believe. Oh my God play jazz. I never all black, Dan. So is my first time singing all black band, and I'm in this jazz. With shouldn't be like that. That's what it was never seen that before. Emmy, our dress like me, and they look like me that inspire me to be who I am. You can be who you are right now still have the language practice and be one of the best what you're doing and still be you know, what I mean, most jazz musicians feel like you have to wear a suit and tie time you play because back then when you're black you have to wear a suit and tie to get any sort of little respect show. You were you had to just like that. You know, what I mean, you couldn't getting rid respect getting expection have anything what you have on. You know what I mean? And as a man, I want you respect me as a man who I am not because I wear a suit. So that's why I'd never wear suits. Except when I'm one of the Grammys, which is often. Emmys, whatever nothing. We didn't bring that up emulator. But. You know? I look I want I want kids to look at me and say, wow, he looks like me and get inspired the way. I would that's happening. It's always happening. It's happening. Even you wanted that is that is actual fact one hundred percent. I mean, you don't like the principal. They don't you know, what I'm saying. Like, look like that principal. They don't wanna be that. You wanna be what you look what you see? So Robert multiple Grammys. You gotta EMMY for your song letter to the free from Aberdeen as thirteenth. Yes. Incredible. Incredible project super is the got incite or what? Hey, man, egg comedies. Tony. We're discussing a Broadway play. What can you tell us about about it? Emmy grammy. Oscar, Yup, Sony. Yeah. He has he has it'd be Grammy. Oscar, okay, he just needs a Tony. So we're going to have that cover. We're going to have a railway, but we're definitely gonna sit down and really try to do think tied to do Abro Broadway. Play. I don't know any. We'll have the details hasn't been flushed out yet. Yeah. That's the next move amaze. You need any white people. Guide number two. I'm man. Okay. That's yes. That would be if you know that will be something I would love to do it anyway. But that would be that would be the Tony part. Don't you know? All right coming up next. It's the impression session with Robert glassmaker. The following message comes from our sponsor Capital One the credit wise app from Capital One recently released three new features, including a social security number tracker to help users quickly tech fraud for free. Here's head of credit wise, Joe Whitchurch, while identity fraud is intimidating in cancer really complex a little bit of effort can go a long way, and helping you understand if you've been a victim of identity fraud. Credit wise is free for everyone. Whether you're a Capital One customer or not you can find credit wise in your app or play store now support for NPR and the following message. 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Can I give you a hint? Yes. The person is also the trumpet player. Okay. That sounds like late eighties. Definitely nineteen eighty five. And it's Don cherry. Oh. Don cherry. Yeah. Oh snap. I never heard that. Yeah. It's it's from an I'm called homeboy sister out. And of course, Don cherry is a legend verse the father of nanna cherry, and that's always called alphabet as he singing city. That's what I'm saying. See that's the thing. But for me, that's like, you know, other than I think kind of blue that's probably the first quote unquote, jazz artists that I gravitated to when I was ready sort of autonomous your collector. You started really open. So it's an album that where he touches on reggae and funk, and all and I think in that way. Oh, that's cool. I Myles album was miles around the world. And it was when he was doing electric stuff a human nature time after the time stuff. Like that songs. I knew so at grad grad into that first. And then I got into the, you know, the rest of it. Okay. Yeah. Let's that's why that's why picked it. 'cause where it was like very im- invitation into Trey from Ornette Coleman Ornette Coleman his out super out stuff. Like that. I never heard that before I thought you were going to slay him for the. Gee. It was early late eighties. It's h well actually to me. I'm I played it for Bobby started laughing. I've really liked this, right? I can of course on the verse, but processed cherry. All right. So let's get to the next. A woman. Me. Rolling. That's robert. Class. I wasn't. I wasn't. I was. That's why felt like. I've heard this the first time I heard it got you got you. Okay. That's so funny for our audience that is the opening song title track to a film that I music supervised directed row and produce Totta rock were forty fives. And the first piano is by anybody ten. National dominant the arts jazz master, and and then down a few not just to me. Thanks. Thirteen grammy. Master granny Sonani. Yeah. I haven't heard this is this is I that's easy. My vision. What have him on this track? Was I want to him on hip hip. Hop drum. Right. Right. Right. And for you are kind of left it open. And then you play them on Juno. And for people don't know that I'm doing like an afro Cuban music. The the sort of the rhythm, piano rhythm. You blew it out the frame where I was curious. I what what are your Latin roots are your roots in Latin music because clearly there's something there that you played that too naturally. I love I love to provide as okay, I love I love Gonzalo Kaba. I don't even know. Woo new artist. All oh, no, no. He's older. Well, he's not Otis. But it's probably fifty something. Okay. But he's like by far probably the most technically sound pianist in the world. He's from Cuba jazz. Yeah. We're both in the same label blue note. Okay. Yeah. He's cuban. Yeah. Tells human yeah. Yes. I'm a I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan of those too. And I've I've got a I mean Gonzalo like I said we're on the same label that I just watched his from you know, from what I was in high school such such fair. He's done duo shows Herbie and chat. You know? What I mean? He's like he's just one of those chickens nasty too. I mean, he's. Yeah. Definitely. But I mean, yeah. But for sure so you know, I went to went to school with one of my friends letting panel player Richard crews and high school, so he's the show me onto those stuff in high school. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's a little bit where you know. I'm not super dependent. But I have these little little connections. Where where I'm like, okay. I get it. I that. Yeah. Sure. Good stuff, man. Maybe you stretch your work on a Latin albums love that. Yeah. Oh boy. Rica's? You look a little his a bass player. He plays in Lincoln center with Witton. Okay. Upright bass player, but we went to college together. So he was always hitting me to Latin music like so much stuff. You know what? I mean, he he plays with kazaa Aruba compet to and just every you know, in all kinds of situations. But, but yeah, I think that's a rat. Yes. It is. That's that's that is our show, but that's our season. Oh my God. I do that you. Yeah. We have to think you for being. That's right thumb, man. The guests on our final episode of season two on Bobby. Thank you. Appreciate that up. Thank you. Because they told me the rest y'all needed some celebrity because you didn't have much. Never heard bad do. Black was his name. Can help you out help you from you know. Robert class. That is our show and our season this podcast was produced by Michelle lands headed. By Alexander McCall, Jordana Hopman and Niger eaten and our executive producer is Abby O'Neil, please remember to fill out our survey at NPR dot org slash podcast survey. 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