#22: The Business Side of BNBs

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you're listening to the beautiful mess podcast today. We're diving into one of our most requested topics of all time the business side of BNB's and we're actually going to expand on this topic a little and talk about investing in real estate generally. We're GONNA share a formula that we try to follow and steps. We took before. Listing are for short term rentals. So let's get into it before we begin. I wanted to start out by mentioning that in our show notes which you can find out a beautiful mess. Dot Com slash podcast. We will link to all of the. Bnb's that we currently have listed and we will also link to a couple of blog posts that we've written in the past about BNB's generally. Yeah we recently actually added to our homepage to just a beautiful mess dot com. There is a menu at the top and one of them says properties. And if you click on that Senate shows all of our BNB's and it also links to if we've liked toward the bedrooms toward the bathroom so you can like click on those and see before we talk about investing in real estate. I thought it would be helpful to just quickly go through a few things that I think you should have going in your life before you even consider investing in real estate and I think a lot of these are going to be no brainers for most people listening but also maybe not. I don't know I don't mean that in a offensive way. I just know this right. Had A few friends ask me before because they know I have a short term rental and I also own a long term rental and so I just you know these are some things that I've told friends and so I just thought I would share them here to absolutely so. This is like the groundwork that you recommend having laid before you buy any kind of second home. Yes definitely. I'll go through kind of quickly because this could be like a whole episode. This also could be like someone's whole brand his personal finance stuff so and I'm no expert but I'm just GonNa list for things that I think you should do. So number one be mostly out of debt. Some debt is okay debt for our personal home and some school debt. Especially if you have a really great rate or if you have like if you're a physician your doctor you probably are going to be paying off your school loans for a very long time. So that kind of that's fine but I mean more if you have major credit card debt or debt from school where you don't use your degree anymore. Those are the kinds of things you might. WanNa look into paying down before you ever start investing number to have a savings account which is what I would also call. This is just a safety net. So I recommend having anywhere from three to six months worth of your living expenses so this could also be three to six months worth of your salary and the idea is if you got laid off then you have this money to help you kind of make it through until you get a new job or if you're a business owner like I am then you kind of have a little bit of a safety net so if your business can't pay you for a while or if you need to change businesses you have something there you know and if possible. I would recommend even more than three to six months but I think three to six months is a good like good. Starting place he. Oh the -mergency fund right. Yeah Oh yeah gotTa have that number three. Have all your basic needs met and the big one that I just wanted to mention here is healthcare and this is a little bit of a business owner problem which I'm a business owner. It's also a little bit of A. It's different from country to country so this is a little bit of an American thing. I suppose but make sure that you have enough money and you have healthcare. Maybe you get it through an employer so this doesn't apply to you. But what if you get laid off? How's that going to work just making sure that you have that covered off because you never know if something's going to happen so that and then the fourth thing is be saving for retirement and you can do this through a 401k or an IRA traditional or Roth IRA? There's multiple options if you don't know about those. Their whole books articles blogs podcasts dedicated. Just to that. I also highly recommend working with a financial advisor. Both Elsie and I have financial advisers at work with them and their great resources. For Lots of information that you might not have access to if you didn't grow up thinking about financial stuff so highly recommend but be saving for retirement Actively before you think about investing in stocks or real estate or anything else yeah because real estate is a great investment. But it's not the most risk free thing right people do lose money on it so hopefully that will never happen but it does happen is happened to me before. Yeah it does happen. So it's it's a you know it's icing on the cake. It's not just the e need to have the cake. I though otherwise icing. And that's too much anyway. You get it. That's disgusting it's disgusting. Did you WanNa talk a little bit about rebates book? We've talked about in the past away. You guys know I love raw meat. Seti and his book is called. I will teach you to be rich and his website Graham. He's he's the greatest he's my hero and what I love about. Roommates book will teach to be rich. Is If you have any kind of negative feelings or associations with money which I did in the past have a lot of that. I had fear guilt anxiety stress all of these things surrounding money and his book really helped me to rework those attitudes and to have generally more healthy realistic and I think smarter perspective about money So yeah highly recommended. He is actually not that big on like real estate investing. He's always saying like it might not be good And he talks a lot about who doesn't even own his apartment in New York and that's great for him so yeah it's not about real estate investing it's just general positive attitudes and you know better practices for money. Yeah I love I read that book to After. Elsie recommended it to be in loved it. I also just think like if you are coming from a place where you don't know a lot about personal finances baby you have like. Elsie set some fear or some hang ups around it. I just think that's so much more important than thinking about investing in real estate. I just feel like so people see us with our short term rentals. Elsie and I think it just looks really cool and they just get excited about it. And I'm like that's awesome and I hope we can be a model for women. Investing in women taking control the finances. It just anyone not even just women but anyone but I also think there are some other steps to take I and it's really important not to skip that stuff. So Yeah Yeah I. I totally agree with that. The short term rentals. That we do are kind of like the coolest part of our financial situation where people look at it and they're like. Oh that's neat but it's not the most important part it's really not so yeah exactly All right so the next thing is we have a little bit of a formula that we try to stick to whenever we're investing in real estate I like to call it the one percent rule but I wanted to have my husband tray onto explain it because I think he explains it really well so I did a little interview with him one evening just the two of us so here it is. Can you explain the one percent rule in how we use it when we're evaluating if we're going to purchase a rental property shirt but yeah? I Atop WANNA give credit to our accountant because who explained it to us at first whenever he was recommending that we start looking at property investment general Jason Jordan. He is wonderful Jason. We love you. The premises pretty simple. The one percent is in reference to your insulin. Come so you want your rental income. Your monthly rental income to equal one percent of the purchase value of your are the purchase price of your house so for example easy numbers. If you have a one hundred thousand dollar house your goal then would be to rent that for around a thousand dollars a month and the reason you go for that one it just gives you a simple equation where you can really quickly take a look at a house in just price out and think like. Oh could I get that or would that be worth it and if you are able to hit that you know with the very I mean there's other variables like what your property manager is Your Insurance Company in your taxes and all that kind of stuff but generally speaking if you're able to hit that one percent mark you're able to flow fifteen percent cash on cash and what that means is you're able to get fifteen percent annual return off whatever your down payment was so that's that's what the cash on cash means so for example again to stick with that hundred thousand dollar house example you would likely for a business loan you go twenty percent down on that which would mean you have? Twenty Thousand Dollar House are not two hundred twenty thousand dollar down payment and then you'd be flowing fifteen percent off that twenty thousand dollars so that would work out to about three thousand dollars. A year is what you'd be returning and whenever I say cash on cash that's to say that you were actually flowing that money so that's going right into your pockets. You've already paid your mortgages for the year. You've already paid your insurance. You've already paid your taxes. You pay your property manager and it accounts for about ten percent of your income worth of maintenance so covers all of that and then you're sending three thousand dollars directly into your pocket so because like a lot of times a year but people saying you know you know I charged enough to pay for my mortgage or whatever so this is actually charging above. And beyond your or you're making above and beyond what your mortgages and you're actually putting quite a bit or you're putting a decent amount of money in your pocket be passive income exactly and it's you know and it's something to give you a frame of reference you know a good year in the stock market is is ten percent return on your money so this would actually be doing better or good. You know ten to twenty percent so this will be like a good year in the Stock Market. And you'd build but you're you'd be able to do that year after year regardless of you know outside of really really extreme fluctuations in the market right but you might. WanNa do this instead of the stock market. Because you're building equity and because you have an asset to sell later on. Yeah well that's the thing about equity or sounds kind of safer. I mean it's not. No investing is one hundred percent safe. But you know that one seems more. Yeah it's it's definitely more liquid you're able to like you can pull your money out at any point in the stock market whereas in house you have to sell. The House is continuing on a buyer. All of that the benefit of it is you have that cash flow that is you know competitive with a stock market investment on one side fifteen percent but then functionally on the other side. You're then doubling your money in equity so you're kind of double dipping a little bit so you're like you know again. These are rough numbers but in the same way that you are flowing that three grand you're also building up that three grand equity on the other side is you're paying off your mortgage so you're kind of you're growing in in two directions but again one liquid and one not equity. Why would people care about equity? What's that useful for? Not Cash money. You know well. There's a handful of things you can do that quickly. Obviously obviously you could sell the house at any point and get all that money right back. Presuming the irritable. The main task bursary shakedown. Exactly so then that so then that money would come back the like your equity would come back on a sale. That's the most straightforward thing that you can do with it and then of course you know if you sit on that tiller retirement and that's a nice little nest egg that you would have till then Can make back the whole one hundred dollars and more or the other thing like if you did have something if you did have some idea or you had something else or the property or something else you wanted to buy you could then Get alone against your equity so you could pull that cash out to go. Do something else if you wanted to. As long as you kept I think around that you know ten to twenty percent down on that property you could then pull the excess equity out to go to go start a new project or go get a new property or whatever so. That's the formula we try to stick to in buying a property in short term can open up the options a little more than long term. But it's a little more risky since monthly income will vary other than the simple formula. Let's talk through other steps? People need to take in order to buy or set up a short term rental. Let's talk a little bit about loss. Because was knowing the laws in your area and whether or not property qualifies to even become a short term rental is super super important and this is a mistake that I made the first time we bought property so I'll share a little bit about that. It's embarrassing but I'll share it anyway. So when we bought our first investment property in Nashville the laws were rumored to be about to change. And a lot of people told me. Oh it's fine. Don't worry about it. No it's not GonNa Change that much and unfortunately it did change a lot and it changed right as we bought our property and what we ended up doing one of the day. You closed right. It was like the week week after something. It was crazy it was. Yeah and then we didn't. We weren't very speedy about applying for a permit and long story. Short ended up with a permit that was not really legal because we had an owner occupied permit and people were like. It's fine it's fine. It's not that regulated but I don't know in my heart I knew that like this is not good and within six months or permit was taken away and we had to sell our property and it wasn't a quick cell it wasn't we basically like lost a lot out of it just by not knowing the laws upfront and not being super safe in the beginning so we ended up doing with selling the property and reinvesting in another property. Which is the one now that own half of a duplex each so it's one duplex each own one side of it that's our BNB in Nashville now and it is completely illegal permit because it is zoned commercially and so now we know that our permits not going to be taken away which is which is cool. But it's very very hard to find those properties so in Nashville. We probably won't be doing a lot more short term rentals. Just because there's very few properties now that qualify to become one it's very regulated in a lot of big cities. Are that way. Yeah and if you don't know I just start googling but also it's usually the zoning department of your city or your county if your city is very small at might be your county And you can call. You can always like just call and ask questions. It's very similar to like doing your taxes. Which I don't like I also have an accountant but you also oftentimes have to call the IRS oriented to call your local. You Know Secretary of State or office or whatever. Just ask questions so do that? If you're considering doing a short term rental because you know you might not know the laws the laws may be changing soon and your city government or county government will be able to give you those answers but yeah our Spring Philip. Bnb We closed on that and a month later the laws there change to and it. It was fine. We had to go through permitting and it wasn't we we have the permit and everything's on the up and up. That's where legal but I was so stressed when I heard they changed until I went into the city to find out what they were to ask more questions about what I needed to do so I was like. Oh my gosh. We just bought this House. And now we're going to have to sell it or we're GONNA have to make it into a long term rental. Which the amount of money. We are investing to renovate. It didn't make sense for that so it was just this stressful process. So I that's probably my biggest like if you're thinking about short term rental this is the number one thing to like. This is the number one thing you need to know the laws and just to be totally clear. This probably won't apply to you if you're thinking of renting your own home like while you're on vacation or on the weekends or something like that the most Homes where you live in the home will qualify in most cities. But what we're talking about right now is buying another home for the purpose of making it into a short term rental right. Yeah I would still check though on even on that. There are a lot of cities that have like two to three different types of short term rental permits. Str permits yet and so and sometimes they have requirements around how much you need to occupy the home. And let's say you have a job where you're gone. You know three to six months out of the year you may fall into this range of two different permit so you know I still would definitely look into it just everyone's situation's different right and are cities. Where short term rentals are completely banned? So yeah it's the most important thing is really knowing the laws and making sure that the property you're considering will qualify for a permit before you put down any money or make an offer anything like that right exactly okay. So researching the permits and laws. That was the first thing you need to do. Second thing is researching properties prices How often short term rentals are renting out in your area And also like real estate agents. If you're going to be using one so similar things that you would be researching if you're buying the home to live in. But also a little additional research of how often are short term rentals renting out in your area and you can do that by simply going on. Airbnb or home away. Vr B. O. And like checking out other properties in this area in the city in the neighborhood looking at and check for the entire year not just one season. Yeah Mary weekend. Prices because usually fluctuates quite a bit. Right okay so research properties prices all of that Next thing you're probably going to need twenty percent down so usually when you buy a personal home you pay ten percent down as your down payment and when you buy an investment property it's usually twenty percent or more at times Train I had to pay thirty percent of their property price in order to get financing. So it just depends so you wanna be saving your money and knowing that you still have that savings account. You still have a safety net. You're not going to be spending your entire safety net on this real estate property. Because that's I don't think the best way to go about it. I don't even think they'll let you do that. Because usually they want you to show that you have like six months of expenses and you know yeah Yeah stuff tricky to qualify for a second home loan and you do have to save more for sure right and as you can tell by the advice we're giving here. We finance all our properties get loans from banks or other lending organizations although it's always been banks for us. Yeah someone yesterday if. Y'All go ahead if we had bought a house in cash yet and I'm like no. I wish I really really WanNa do that some day. And that is definitely the dream but yeah it's really cool like yeah. I just think it's really cool but In the in Nashville. I don't know if it's like that possible. Yeah Yeah and that's a great goal if it went also listening to your goals do it. I don't think that's the best way to spend that amount of cash. I think you'd be better off financing but I also think it's really cool to be debt free on a property and if so if that's the position you're in that's true financial advisers will always tell you that you don't really need to pay down your mortgage you need to invest that money instead but there is something cool about having a home paid off so. I don't know I'm kind of on the fence with that. Yeah I also think to. This is one thing I feel like you get a better sense of as you grow your confidence with personal finance stuff. Is that a lot of times. There really isn't a black and white right wrong answer. It's more about. What amount of risk are you? Okay with and what are your goals like you know Remain talks about this. Like what is your rich life because the rich life isn't just about money. It's about your time about the stress that you're going to go through you know if you're have stress in another area that you're wanting like you have young children. Maybe you don't WanNa be thinking about this stuff all the time you know so. I think like all of that is important to think that it's not just about the money so the APP anyway all right so saving money work with the lender talk with them about getting pre approved or figuring out your financial situation there next. Let's move on to some of the fun stuff. I thought you guys not the whole episode was going to be fun stuff like couches and furnishings. But it was not. It was money stuff we checked. You know. I'm just kidding but now we are going to give it to the fun part. Ernest shaking in other honestly. Yeah I always I think that. Bnb's look so much more fun than they really are because a lot of it is just like saving for a year and then on it. Yeah buying your furniture really really really fast. Y- so yeah. This is the exciting part of that him. Ra so first of all. The first thing that I wanted to say is that most of us were moving from house to house right like I've moved a lot of times in my life. And you know you up your stuff you take it with you. Maybe a few things don't work and you buy some new things but furnishing a house from zero is so different you will be shocked at how much stuff you have to buy like it. Isn't it shocking? Because then you don't have a broom. You don't have any trash cans. You have to buy every little thing you have to buy. You know your coffeemaker your knives every single little thing. You can think of so. Actually this pertains to that. I've been putting up by room tours for by Harry Potter. Bnb which which you can find from our properties tab on our blog a beautiful mess anyway. I've gotten a few comments which is totally fine. Totally Fair criticism. I'm not this is you. Don't need to defend me. It's totally cool. That people are saying this. I think I kind of agree with them. They're kind of pointing out like these rooms are so much more bear and not as decorated as some of your other room tours. And I'm like yeah you're right but also I'd love to see you furnish five bedroom house two thousand dollar budget and it'd be as decorated as your personal. How shocking how? Fast it goes. It's like well I was either Bible or wall hangings or by knives and I went with the knives so yeah I will back you up on this. I think people are a little bit lake too critical about that and like I get it like you want it to be like a treat for the eyes but when I get further down my advice you'll see what I'm going to say about that but you can't make that no it's good You can't get to that level of decorating in every single space of BNB. And I would argue that. People don't want that people actually when you go into a BNB. You don't want like knickknacks on every single surface the way you do in your own home like i. I really think that you`re. Bnb feels great in person and mine are definitely a little bit more bear than my personal home. Oh yeah and it's a totally fair. I really am not upset. The people are saying that it's totally fair. Fair criticism. No big deal. Yeah okay so the first step. This is obvious. Set a budget and I would say I mean. Obviously you need to set a budget you can with cash you have. There's no taking alone or putting on credit cards to buy furniture and stuff. No no no. We are going to spend cash and it's GonNa be a little bit more than you want it to be so I would say set the highest budget you can I always tried to do it. Under ten thousand dollars. And maybe some of Your Lake Barking in your throats right now and you're like ten thousand. Ten thousand dollars is not a Lotta money when you're furnishing an entire house from nothing. I think people really are being in their throats because they're like that's cheap or because they're like that's really too expensive like it's both in a way you know which is kind of funny because I feel like ten thousand dollars. Furnish your whole house is an insanely low budget. Okay but also a lot of money. It's a lot of you. There's different paths. You can go down if you're doing a guest house that's behind your personal home and you have six months to do it. Maybe you can do it for three thousand dollars because you buy everything from facebook marketplace in the thrift store and paint it yourself and all of that. But if you're buying everything from places like wayfair and Amazon you know places like shipping it. Yeah shipping it all to the house. You're definitely going to need at least ten thousand dollars to do a house with just bare minimum beds. Nightstand lamps couch coffee table Decent dining table. Yeah Decent Al. Nice things like it and yeah. There are certain things that you obviously shouldn't or can't buy use light towels right. Set the best budget you can and if you can do double that honestly like you'll have more fun shopping for furniture and it will probably turn a little more your style more special but You know it also depends on how many bedrooms you have. That's definitely a big factor if you're doing one or two bedroom house it's not gonna add up as fast like the ones we've been doing in. Florida. They're five bedrooms. That's up pretty fast. The next step is planned. The big pieces. I so the stuff that I would spend the most money on our a Nice Sofa. Nice mattresses and Nice dining room table. Those are things that you want to last. You don't want the cheapest possible thing You want something that's going to wear well and you know be good over time but at the same time don't spend too much because I will say irony had to replace my Sofa in our AIRBNB in Nashville and we've only had that open since last spring and I already had happen The one of the legs off of it and it and they fixed it and then it broke off again and so they were finally like sorry but you have to send a New Sofa. So yeah. Don't spend like premium like dollars like what you would unlike in your own home on Dream Sofa but also don't cheap out to the point where it's going to be uncomfortable and you know anyway if you have a Nike. Ah That's probably your best bet. If you have Nike in driving distance because I feel like the quality there is good enough and the prices are best case scenario. The next step is to add details and I think that NBA is. You can do a lot with paint. You can do a lot with removable wallpaper. You can make your own Art Yuqin frame posters and things like that like it doesn't have to be super expensive to decorate a room and make it really cute and then I have a few tips for ways to sort of save money or stay within your budget The first one is facebook marketplace and reusing things. If you have a chance to do this I always take at least a few things from my personal home when I'm setting up a BNB just things that like you know. I didn't need any more or I was planning to donate or sell and I will give them a new home. I love swapping things around anytime I have a chance. Then this is my big big piece of advice to stay on your budget but still achieve this big. Look because you are going to need to be thinking about your photos from the beginning like your listing on AIRBNB or wherever. You're going to list it. You want the photos to stand out and like for example. Our House in Florida. There are a lot of houses in the subdivision where the homes are that are up on Airbnb and kind of all the listings. Look the same so a big opportunity for us was to give our photos an edge and I really feel like that's GonNa make a huge difference just having like planning what your cover photo is GonNa be. I think is a part of decorating so when I like to do is choose. Three photo moments for the house is can be indoor outdoor. It can be a mural it can be a wallpaper wall I would definitely do at least one of them. Be The dining room or the kitchen and at least one of them be a bedroom and then probably the living room. So choose your moments in our Florida. House EM- actually might be the pool area though And spend more money on those moments to make them really good. Then you're gonNA show your potential customer that it's a cute photogenic place to stay because even people who aren't influencers even just you know your regular family going on a Disney vacation. You still. What would rather have acute house than a Boring House rate? Definitely so yeah. That can never hurt. so yeah. I think planning those moments from the beginning is the best thing because then you can choose okay. I'm GONNA spend a little bit more on these three rooms to make them extra extra Q. And if you have a couple of bedrooms or a couple of bathrooms that are a little bit boring. That's okay honestly like you don't even have to have a picture of every single angle on your airbnb listing like we don't even always put every single bathroom you don't have to. You just have to put exciting stuff. Yeah so we're going to do a few like questions we've had listeners. Ask US before but right before that. I wanted to mention one last thing. Which is property managers so often. Do you use property managers. And the answer is an emphatic. Yes honestly I wouldn't even for myself with our lifestyle. We have fulltime jobs. Ray Somewhat argue more than a full-time job like so If you have a full-time job that you love you don't have to manage your property on top of that there are people that do it professionally. Who are really good at it. And in our experience it's been amazing working with managers. Yes and typically property managers will take anywhere from ten to twenty percent. I have heard of some. That will take more than that. I've never worked with one. That took more than that. So that sounds a little crazy to me but it may happen in certain areas. That are like very Very poppin for tourism. I don't know but typically it's ten to twenty percent and you can get a property manager for long term or short term rentals. It seriously worth every penny. I wrote down like three questions that I've seen from listeners. But if you they're kind of general like I've seen them multiple times where to differently so it's not like from specific listener. But if you have more elsie we can add to the list bugging Irish one guy. Do Okay Cool. Do you think most of the guests booking your spaces are blog readers? Okay so I wrote down fifty percent or less and our way less. Yeah I like yeah fifty percent at the most. I hardly ever get tagged or get a message from a blog reader. This one is kind of similar but also I think getting it something else so it is. Do you think you'd ever do a short term rental if you weren't bloggers okay. Basically I think they're the question I don't know but from the time I've seen this. I think people are asking. Is this just your way to get more spaces to decorate an actually doesn't really make money? I it's kind of what they're asking not in a roadway necessar- maybe but not really just more like. Does this really make sense or you just needing more rooms decorate for your block so freight right Okay so for me. Personally I think I still would but it is nice to have extra rooms to log about but like if you look at our blog you'll notice that in my personal home there's probably like four to six post for every room and might be. Mb's there's usually only one. So I don't think you get as much content out of it but it is fun. I mean I do like that aspect of it and it's definitely a nice bonus that occasionally we get to work with a sponsor for our BNB or whatever. Yeah that's what I would say is like it's a big bonus that we get to show the content and we sometimes I want. I think readers like it whether it sponsored or not but we will win. We do get a sponsor which isn't all the time but when we do. I think that's a big bonus for us and it's a great collaboration. That's really fun but yeah I like We mentioned earlier in the episode as trae explained the one percent rule for trade I. There's really no way we could have bought our duplex in Nashville or our house in Florida. Making it a long term rental it we have to do is short term rental in order to get close to that one percent rule. So that's for us why we do it. It's not so it's great that we get to blog the content and I love it. It's so fun but I it's more about the one percent role than sign other words. Nowy wouldn't buy a whole house just to do six hundred votes. Yeah probably not probably not. Yeah that's a really makes it's a good. It's a little side business like it really is a small side business but I think that in the long term of our lives. It'll be a little more significant. It's not a quick way to make money. Let's put it that way. No not really Okay and then. The last one is I've seen people asked. Do you think a long-term or short-term property is a better investment like which one makes more money and I kind of think from the one percent role you could see? I think it really depends and the reason why I think. Both those strategies work long term or short term. I think short term is a little bit more risky. It involves MORE UPFRONT. Cost but it can make more money in the long run. Yeah Def definitely. They can both be good. It really religious depends on your area. Yep Okay so we're going to do. What are you looking at and Emma? What are you looking at? I started a new book. I'm always starting books I didn't finish my last one. I just didn't get into it. I liked it at first and I want to watch. The movie. Didn't get into it anyway. What was it what was it? It was call me by your name. Oh you didn't like the book. I never saw the book or the movie so saw the book. Just move on from well you do look at it with Your Eyes. Saw The book. Yeah I don't know I mean I don't WanNa dicit or anything because I know some people have loved it so I don't want to say it's like that or anything. I don't think that I just didn't get into it. I don't know maybe I'm not high class enough but I I do like the general idea behind it and I'm definitely GonNa Watch the movie very excited to trae. Wants to watch it to some kind of waiting for him to watch it to anyway. I moved on the book. I'm reading now is called the husband's secret which is by Liane Moriarty. Good I looked. I looked it up okay. So here's the thing about this author. I love this author. She wrote big little lies if you saw that series or book but she has lots of books. I've read some for other books. I love her. I believe she's Australian so I was trying to look up how to pronounce her name properly. A lot of interviews. The people interviewing her were Australian and I was like. Is this how you say it? You know sometimes like British accents people sit. They literally pronounce it differently than Rier could would so I was like Oh. There's no way no for sure honestly so. I'm sorry if I butchered her name. She's an amazing author though. I love her books so I wanted to read another one and this one. I just picked up randomly at a thrift store. I was like oh one of her books here. Rad so reading it cool. That's what I'm looking at Okay so we're moving this week and I have been very stressed Like ten out of ten. It's not a good. It's not a pleasant time for me so what I'm trying to do is just like anything self care any kind of tree. Anything that I can do to feel like a little bit better. So what so? The only thing I've been reading quote unquote reading is like my inspiration books. So I'm going to link all of these in the show notes. A beautiful mess dot com back slash podcast. So I have this book. This Richard Avedon book. I've also just been feeling this. Draw towards photography again so at anyway. This is Richard is a famous photographer through the nineteen hundreds and he I think he I think he passed kind of recently anyway. He has beautiful iconic black and white photography. You will definitely recognize it if you saw. I really want one for my home. Like a is it like in print landscapes or no. It's portrait people mostly K Yeah like think. Like vogue from the nineteen sixties like cocaine And then I have this case bad book that I loved Luca and I have the Big Tim. Walker book from the olden days and some art books that I got Used Aba Georgia. O'keefe won a Picasso went so I've just been feeling really like I need to just fill my brain up with beautiful things and not think about anything. Siri it's also the week before it when we're recording this. It's the week before Super Tuesday and the corona virus bit ally and we're moving you know it's just been a lot. Thanks so much for tuning in this league. 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