Karan H. Salup, Nationally Renowned Fine Artist and Abstract Expressionsist On Building A Career As An Artist, Abstract Expressionism, and How A New York Times Review Set Her Career In Motion
Sir. The I believe he just got to keep trying and you have to pink for yourself. It's you what's inside you that you want to express that was Karen, Sal up. This is money Saleh. Thanks for tuning into my podcast Marnie on the move each week. I will be inviting interesting innovative. Uber's shakers to join me on the show and share their story. You will discover an here from thought leaders experts influences and entrepreneurs from the worlds of wellness, sports, beauty, fitness fashion, and more money on the move will feature collected mix of people, I know work with and thank are generally doing full things on each episode. I sync up with my guests about life career and training and showcase their expertise and story. Hi, and welcome to the money on the move podcast. I'm your host, Marnie Salip, happy mother's day. Hope you had a wonderful weekend. I have a very special guest on the podcast this week in honor of mother's day. I thought it would be fun to invite my mother Karen sell up to join me on the show. She is in New York Times reviewed award-winning fine artists and abstract expressionist whose paintings Greece the walls of top galleries in New York City, Long Island, Palm Beach, Miami and many cities in between her career spans over four decades where she has explored a spectrum of styles from realism to abstract expressionism. We are talking all things art from painting to building a business from creativity to entrepreneurship, my mother, and I converse about where her art career began her journey from painting as a hobby to pursuing a career as a professional artist. The challenges and opportunities along the way. Her method style influences and inspiration. And of course, we talk about the athleticism and fitness that have fueled her for six as always thanks for tuning in. And all your great feedback on the podcast. I appreciate your DM's and questions on social keep those emails coming. 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For my overall health and wellness lately, I have been using the pine pollen and Oshawa Gonda for hormones, imbalance Chagas for my immune system, and my favorite cortisol ups for extra energy pre-workout. I simply add them to my coffee or my smoothie every day. And I'm on the move head over to their website, some potion dot com and use the code Marnie on the move for ten percent off. Now onto the episode. I'm really excited that you're here today from Florida to do this podcast. I I know it's taken a lot of me convincing you to be a guest on the podcast. So thank you. Well. So let's start with where you began and your long career as a very well known highly respected New York Times reviewed artist where does it begin for you in high school? I had an illness and it was at a school for a while. And when I was able to get back on my feet. I went with my grandmother to the Y on queens boulevard, and I started, you know, keeping myself busy and just doing some drawing and when I got back tie school. I started taking a lot of art classes, and it just bloomed and from there, I went to CW post, and I went to school of visual arts Brooklyn museum in all kind of like came together. Where did you grow up? I grew up in Forest Hills. And where are you going to high school Forest Hills high school? Going shoes in Forest Hills, New York, and then did you work at all when you were in high school, I did work, but it had nothing to do with my art. I did some democracy for a lawyer. I worked in a dental office. I did all the things that you can kind of fit in while you are going to school high school when you model that was probably nineteen sixty eight sixty maybe the under sixty seven sixty eight I always wanted to be in the art C there. It was acting or modeling my father worked for ABC TV. He was really well respected there. And he kind of brought me in under his wing, and it was fun. I had a great two gears working as a color test model. We didn't have the kind of computers. We have now to pick up color that was a beginning of working in the arts that ended show. You know, I got married. Read, and I went to study art in different places like mentioned before Brooklyn museum school of visual arts. And then I kinda ended up at CW post because I was married, and we were living on Long Island, and it was convenient. And who were some of the artists that influenced you to pursue a career as an artist and follow this path when you were younger once or started taking classes you start as a realist artist, and you work yourself up to impressionism, and those artists would be Monet loved his work, a love his colors, and I I loved the whole feel of that. And I did that for quite a long time. And then I had a teacher that mentor me on one on one basis, and he wanted me to try to paint like my life was at that time, I had three little girls, and I was. Running from studio to soccer, tennis, and all the classes that you fill in your children's lives with. I was you know, being an artist a mother, a wife, and I just went along and did start painting a change to style. And I started painting abstractly, and he artist is no longer with us, Jerry Okamoto, he really pushed me into the abstract John rock loved it right away when right to it. It was me. And I started painting quick and change my nedia. My started painting with acrylics and pencils and just changed my life, and I've been painting over forty years, and I started really being calling myself a professional artists in the middle of the nineteen eighties close I was able to sell and then I started teaching painting. And that's how it's happened. When did you get into your first gallery like how did you go from taking painting as a hobby to getting into a gallery and going to be a professional artist? First of all it's very hard to get into a commercial gallery that was not even in my realm of thinking, I started out with some galleries on Long Island BJ spoke which was in hunting chin and there was a gallery that I was involved with in seek lifts and they will cooperative. So you had to pay some money and you had a sit and work in the gallery, you that was a lot of fun. I like that. And that grew into me starting to see my work as a true artist. And I started moving into the city and walking around the galleries and seeing where I could fit in I met a lot of other artists in studio in great neck, and we all kind of like work together and gave each other ideas. And from there. I started veridian gallery. I was there for five years that was on fifty seventh street, I believe the buildings address was twenty five west fifty seventh street and that also led from one gallery to another. I remember when you were at the virgin gallery. That's when you got the right up in the New York Times. Yes. Yes. What was that? Like to have your was that the first right up that you have a serious one was Helen Harrison. That was the first one that really was it was. Outrageous. It was just. I was over the moon because you, you know, you're not always sure when you send it invitation to arrive or or the post or the times that they're going to respond, and I just got lucky because she came into the city and reviewed my show, and that's the beginning of wanting more more and more. And over the years, I've tried to get into a lot of commercial galleries, and it's not easy. What's the process for an artist to get into a gallery? The process then was having your resume a statement, lots of slides, pictures, and all your news media, and you send it in an envelope. I'm kind of laughing at this because today is so different. And hope that you get a response, and it was trying. Got a lot of nose and a few yeses, and you know, the s in the past. Now, you have to have a resume a CV a statement and images you have to have Jane pegs, and they have to be a certain way, and it's a whole different world. I think it's amazing. I've seen how you have gone through your career. I was there at your opening at the variety and gallery, and I was there when the New York Times article came out, and that was huge. I've seen many many of your shows. And I've seen you in the last five ten years really get back into it. In a big way. I mean, you've been showing in Palm Beach in West Palm Beach in Miami in in Fort Lauderdale. So you've been showing all around, you know, obviously, you are not living in New York City anymore, and it's very hard to you have to be here to be seen. And so you've been really growing your business again in Florida and you've gotten some. Great reviews in the Palm Beach post Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel in the Boynton beach forum. So you've been really rebuilding your career in Florida into expanding into a new market, which is the Florida art scene. Tell me a little bit about that. Well, I I want to say that I have been member of the national association of women artists since nineteen eighty six and I've been active in that. All this time have showed in many of the gallery shows now online, they've exhibited my work, which is like I said before a whole new world, it's the XXX generation, and I was also president of women individual arts. And that's in Florida. And I was vice president of national association of women artists in Florida. So I have all that now. Under my belt as I've grown in the process of painting, abstract Lii, and it's a whole different vocabulary. It's more like painting visual poetry, and that's how you grow. And I I have all these these positive things, which I'll say is positive energy to get me into everywhere on I belong to the cultural council of Palm Beach that at one person show there I'm involved with arts warehouse, which is del Ray. It's part of the artist alley you've been teaching classes there. I've taught classes these are all the components that make up a professional artist. You're exhibits. Your name is out there your teaching and your references. And I'm very proud where I am today. It's taken a long time. Yes. And Marnie has been there from the very beginning. I was taking. Class with Marilyn mayor. And she was an impressionist artists, and I was about eight and a half months pregnant, and I was walking into her studio. And I fell down the stairs. She was there. I was just freak shows pike -cation to what I do that. That's it you when you have to be so dedicated to succeed, you have to be constantly painting and growing, and that's the process process is to grow change. And enjoy the moment of creating your work. I wanna talk about like all of the different exhibits that you've been part of an your solo shows. I mean, what are some of the shows that you've done recently? Well, I had a show this so many isn't the armory in West Palm Beach, and that was very successful and coordinated it was a group show, and then I've showed solo. The cultural council of Palm Beach, and I've also been in their group shows, we had a group show that was art decor. And I was selected to be in the exhibit and eight artists were paired up with eight interior designers, and they created a venue it. They were each like a box, but big size, you know, and they were paintings and furniture, and that was very successful. And I also had a solo show. They're also had a solo show at the arts warehouse in del Ray. And those are some of your resent. What do you have coming up right now, I exhibiting with national association women artists and Florida at the center for created education, which is in West Palm Beach, and they're women artists that focused on the influence of Frida Kahlo on contemporary. Art, which is right up. My alley. And I am now going to be in a show that is a biennial for the cultural council of the palm beaches in may. And that's a very big honor. Because I've tried to get into these biennial before. And yeah, it's not that easy. What's the process? Well, as I said before you have to submit a restatement resume and your images Japex and pay. Everything's about money coming in or going out. Right. And that's that's the process for that. So I was very honored. It's it's a journey any in any art, the ups are great you're on a high and things are great. But the Lowe's, they can be very depressing. You've been an artist now as we had mentioned earlier for over for forty years. So how you seen the art world evolve. In terms of artists from the time when you were starting to the contemporary artists of today. Well, as always there's lots of artists out there trying to get their name out there as well and into galleries, and I find now that it's very competitive their new ways that they keep asking for images to be sent and qualifications to galleries. And it's very different. It's a different world really is. And it's a hard world who accomplish to get in and be successful. You know, you can get into a gallery doesn't mean you're going to sell and that is the bottom line as I mentioned earlier in conversation. It's very competitive. There's thousands of artists out there that want to be known that wanna show, and the I believe he just got to keep trying and you have to paint for yourself. It's you what's inside you that you want to express. So what inspires you in your work? My life. I I really believe it was my life. I started out painting realistically, I moved to an impressionistic palette of impressionist style. And then as my life changed so did my work, and I'm very dedicated try to help other artists by teaching them. Just what I'm talking about. How to present your work to a gallery, and it's this you have to be a curator. You have to be a marketing expert, there's ways that Jaco, Nick. No, it's unfortunately, it's you have to know how to do everything marketing who is gonna wear you should send your work because I said my abstract worked to a gallery that doesn't doesn't represent artists that paint abstract style. And. And it's very hard. You've got to try to be positive and intuitive and create where do you draw inspiration for the colors that you use? I choose colors from nature. All my paintings. I consider landscapes I do not like to name them. But unfortunately, I have to name them. So the people can see what I'm trying to express. It's very hard to say. Well, what inspires you my life? I live in Florida now might colors beautiful. The sunsets is green all year, and my workshops that I do on going to workshops in different areas taking classes from very well known artists as well. And each from each thing, I take something, but my colors are from the sky and the sea and mountains, and all the things that have experienced that I've seen by with my own eyes many years ago. I went to Monet's garden in France. And I wanted to lay down on the ground. You just can't express that in words, you have to paint it. And that's what I liked. Do I love caller? I'm known as a colorist, and I will always be colorist in no matter what I do what kind of medium I use because I can't paint in other mediums and acrylic. I started out in oil. Then I moved to watercolors then I tried acrylics. And now having that knowledge helps you create the body of work that you are trying to have the viewer say and. You know, it's really a difficult thing to try to explain other than I say nature and landscapes are what influenced me, and who are some of the artists that you look to for inspiration and influence in your work. Well, William de Kooning because so Joan Mitchell side, Tom, we all anyone knew. Well, I have a good friend. Her name is Sally Cooper. And she paints like me, and I really do love her work, and we're compared to each other. And it's kind of funny because. Many years ago. I did study with her for a short period of time. And you don't want to. Focus on her style. And you want to create your own style from what she teaches you. So I would say she successful. And is also gal that taught in Florida that I had a chance to study with shorttimer name is Sherry O'Neil. And you know, if you go to my website, you can see the influences of other abstract expressionists, but I always keep it. So that it's my work. Not there's obviously this style that you've been painting. His was really feels like it's always been your style. Like, how has it changed over the years? What has shifted? The reason why you feel like that is because I started painting like this in a nine the late nineteen eighties. Jodi was born in eighty one. And I just started painting that way this the abstract expressionist way around then, and you were just thirteen. So how I've changed. It's not the colors might colors. Always my palate stays the same my brush strokes, and my gestures have changed the way. I compose a painting is different. I don't draw in a traditional way, I do a very quick outline. And then I worked to build up the canvas, and it's a back and forth process where you start to work, and you form shapes. And then you go back and with these gestures, which are lyrical you create a song asong on canvas song, and you like to work on pretty big large scale canvases. Yes. I when I many years ago, I worked on very large campuses, the problem with that is now getting them around which is always been a problem. But now it has become harder. And a lot of galleries do not want such big pieces because they can't store them. The walls are smaller. My favorite size is a forty by forty stretched canvas or forty eight by forty eight. I the bigger the freer you are. And that's how I paint free to miss New York. I miss New York very much. I it's very hard to be out of New York where you believe it's the scene, but unbelievable Florida has got win more and it has Miami. And. We have West Palm Beach. I mean, it's armory cultural council upon beach. There's plenty to see in Florida and yet very good artist. So we've kind of talked a lot about what you do as an entrepreneur and an artist and your career, and how you've evolved over the years from your style to the way, your marketing yourself and your press coverage and all the galleries you've been in and what you're doing moving forward. But I also know that you are and have been very athlete in your life. And maybe not in the most recent years, but I remember growing up you always playing tennis, which is how I got into tennis. And you are a very good equestrian and had your own horse. You know, maybe you can share with my listeners where your fitness began. I've always exercise as I mentioned earlier. I I had some surge. Gery when I was sixteen and it was a bone tumor that was benign and in recovering they didn't really have physical therapy. But I knew I had to do something stretching or something to get myself more aligned. So I started doing the stretching by using yoga. It was like not known. It was like in nineteen sixty six and you know, it wasn't popular amongst westerner feeler, and we you know, you watch television shows and they had it in the beginning. They had some think channel thirteen educational. What happened was I started doing my own yoga and stretching. And then I would say in the eighties. It became very popular the late eighties to take classes in using weights. Step class and running and yes, I wasn't athlete once upon a time. And I still work at I do yoga, and I walk in my community does not I can't do Jazzercise even though I would love to. But I think that Marnie watched me as well as my other daughters. Go from one activity to the other used to say, I have changed. My hats. I'd start in the morning and be in classes, doing a Jazzercise step class and. What were the classes do you? Remember Michael used to teach step class and the bodybuilding. And then he did also stretched class that was very popular in the eighties, and I to to it like lightning a loved it. And I have an had a lot of energy. And so that would be like my first the kids would get off to school. And then I would do my second thing which is exercising, and the thirteen would be coming home and painting, and the fourth thing would be picking up the kids and being mom, and that's how I came to really paint the way I paint. I had a mentor by the name of Jerry Okimoto. And he observed me painting impression Slee, and this is not who you are. And I said what I didn't know where it was coming. From and started showing me how my life has to coordinate with my work, which is painting. So we changed the entire style. And he worked with me for ten years. And he really he taught me all that. I know and I'd go to museums. I see a lot of work by Joan Mitchell and art history at CW post, I took artistry courses, and that's the knowledge you get you. Find all these influential artists when you come back to New York. Are there any museums or galleries you to go visit or work at you exhibits that you want to say? When I come to New York City. I go two weeks bits that I like to see I love the Whitney. I love the mon- museum. And I really feel very comfortable at the Whitney. What you love about the way I like to go I like to visit the third floor fourth floor, and that's all the abstract expressionist. You'll find Joan Mitchell their Kooning, Alex Katz. A lot of great artists Cy Tommy has his work there. I wish my work was there. Maybe it will be one day. I I hope so because otherwise my daughters are going to be having a lot of off to get rid of. I have a lot of art. Yeah. It sells. I have a woman that represents me. It's a tough career to be an artist any on me kind of artists. I mean, you're selling your soul, you send you're getting rejected. You're showing your soul. Yes. That is what an on you show, your soul and. You have to be willing to do that. Especially now, how I paint it's intuitively, and that is work that comes from within. And I mentioned this before but I have a vocabulary that I've developed. It's not words, it's brush strokes and gestures and line that is completely different from what I've done years before. And I could do a painting in two days, and I can take a painting and NAFTA work eight weeks. It depends the size, and what is going on in my life and in my head. I'm impressed with your linked in account, and you're on Instagram and Facebook, and you're really like really got it. Like, it's I'm beyond impressed. That's the difference between when I was painting many years ago, and you want to know what's different today today, we have social media. You've got to be out there. You've got to have your own website. And you gotta let people know you're on the website. Would I I started really getting online paintings direct came to me and asked me if I would send my slides, and at that time, it was lives, my slides and a statement, and do I have a resume all these things and online I mean, it was like giving birth to a whole new set trick which it has. So it's it's wonderful to have this social media and glad for Marquis, and design and art that we have it. Sometimes it gets a little bit crazy. You don't have to know everybody's business or their whereabouts. Only daughter and your Instagram feed is really is really great too. I mean, you've really been. Working on that. I like the direction you're going with showcasing your work. I always think that you should maybe tell a bigger story on your Instagram, which I've, you know, whether it's the story of the colors that you use. I mean, you have some colors that really are almost like your signature colors that you use. So like, what are your signature colors? Oh, I would say that. My blues are my signature color and purples and blues purples, and I use a lot of black it just evolves. You don't you think of the sky, you think of the water think the grass and all those colors come into play. You'll learn your color strategies, and you just you repeat them, and you just remember your complimentary colors, and values and all the base. All nothing's changed with that. It's just experimentation, and you feel it color has energy and. Paints have vibrations. That are like like you had said earlier you referred to painting like music. So do you feel like that about paint that has that kind of energy in vibration? Oh, absolutely. Because I never paint without music. It could be opera. It could be rock. Pop. Rock could be go oldies. So has music influence your art at all over the years popular music. No, maybe, but we classical music, definitely when I paint. I liked to paint with a different kind of sound who are some of the artists. You're listening to right now coal play. And you love her. It's mellow slice. Sounds good. What what was some of the original artists that inspired you when you first started daughter's dying for this? Beatles course, the Beatles. Your favorite Beatle, Paul McCartney, Paul McCartney was your favorite via at that time, Paul McCartney. I like. Chime in it was different. He sang differently when we were younger. Did you like the eagles? Yes. Like eagles. That was later. I like Queen I like sticks. I know this is one of your favorite questions. So I saved it for last. When people ask you like how long did it take you to make that painting? I think that everyone in business can understand how you're about to respond to this question. How long did it take you to make that painting my whole life ever from the moment? I held a piece of charcoal in my hand until this day. That's how long it takes. It's the knowledge that you keep in your mind that stored up, and that's what I'm talking about of as of Okabia, Larry because that your base where you can walk up to a canvas and just start because you know, what you're doing. And it it's not that I can finish a painting in weeks. It's that I. Have to step up to the painting. And know exactly what I'm gonna do. So people think people who are not appreciative the arts. Yeah. I mean, they think just like throw some color on canvas and sell it, obviously. That's not the way it goes. There's no such thing. If you ask an actor how long they took for them to s- cover their method and how they train themselves. They're going to use a combination of exercise. Creativity model themselves after someone that they would nurtured by or they respected. It's the same thing in any art form. And if you have a specialty like marketing or marketing design and cheerier design it takes a long time to make perfect, and that's the journey that artists take it's a journey. And you're never finished until you're that was awesome. Mom. Thank you. Thanks again for tuning into Mari on the move. If you like what you hear leave us a five star review in apple podcasts. Follow us on social at Marnie on the move for Facebook and Instagram and Marnie Sal up on Twitter head over to our website. Are you on the move dot com? For more info on this episode links in the show notes. And of course, sign up for our quarterly newsletter. The download to get updates deals giveaways and information on future events for twenty nineteen. I want to hear from you Email me money on the move one at gmaiLcom, and let me know what you're enjoying what you wanna hear more of if you have questions for our guests just reach out.